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Hawaii County Council August 2, 1989 I think that the procedures that they are interpreting, that would be a legitimate expenditure of funds . Thank you. CHR. KOKUBUN: Thank you . Mr . Yamashiro, just a question though, you ' re not arguing that this wouldn' t help but, in a sense, clarify and give more definition to the budget process? MR. YAMASHIRO: It would--- CHR. KOKUBUN: You just have an additional request for clarity on the appropriation? MR. YAMASHIRO: Well, I 'm saying is if we ' re talking about transfers, are we saying that if we do it by resolution, it raises the transfer to the status of an appropriation because we ' re doing it or could we still have an appropriation? You know, we just transferred money to the salary and wage account, does that mean that they can hire anybody they want? Or if in the budget we say you want 5 firemen and they decide they don' t want 5 firemen, they want 5 clerk-stenographers in the Fire Department and they take the money out of the salary and wage account and hire 5 clerk-stenographers, you know under the present interpretation, that ' s possible . Or they could transfer money into another salary and wage account and make those hires. CHR. KOKUBUN: Right, in the present interpretation. But if, in fact, the Charter was amended to include language such as found in Maui ' s Charter, then the Administration would have to--- MR. YAMASHIRO: Come to usfor the transfer, but--- CHR. KOKUBUN: And to verify exactly what the purpose of that transfer was . CHR. YAMASHIRO: The purpose of the transfer . But once the money is in the account, does that constitute an appropriation which would let them expend it any way they want? Cause that is the problem we have right now. 465 . 9 4