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t 0 • cugawnrl : You n,e t.d city managers have power to hire and fire 1. department head .• Markey: Where they had that authority they usually took the procedure of giviirg a very clear idea to the department head of his duties and standards for job and what he is responsible for, Where there is lack of accountability, he talks it over with department heads , and they try to arrive at some decision. • They ere only fired when . it is found that the person is not willing to do what he is hired to do, Kawaharri o You suggested that Honolulu situation didnot make clear whetter he was staff or line man, • Markey: I said it didn' t make clear who was running the city, him or the mayor. . • Kuwahara: In such a situation should the city manager work better if it were line or staff? • Markey: No , it isn' t a line and staff problem. He is always a staff man, but the question is whose staff is he? In the • city manager city, the charter gives the manager cer'ta'in independent authority. What Honolulu has is described as the ' chief administrative officer type, and when you have tha.s• type thedifficulties es you have in you get almost always tato Ci.��i...G�.. v..��. t Honolulu because the chief administrator mini strator: officer is not t�. city 'manager" ncr is he the mayor , and he forgets that he works • either for the mayor or for the council. • Legaspi: Would you say that there would be less need for a manager if there were professional qualifications set within • deplr'tnnent heads? Markey: Yes , there would be less need for a manager if the departments were commonly opera ting to the accepted standard . . of efficiency in government today. . • Baldwin: In your et;,pericnce have you known of any situations where certain standards were set for a position n take the case of departnt head not being professional administrator: where these levels were not attained, yet nothing was done about it. Markey: If you have a mayor, and you have standards for • positions of department heads , if the mayor does not see to it that these standards are kept, then no one will see to : it and no one is going to do anything about it. This is where the city manager is os value because he knows what should go in the finance department, public works department, etc. .. Dada: In this form are all the depart uient heads appointed by the city manager without confi_Lwation? • Markey: That again depends on the charter. There is no such • . thing as a same city manager for every city, Baldwin: Is it. possible for this group to come -up with certain standards for every department we have with enough . restrictions ons or enough specific demands in the .job to set standards? Markey: Off hand, I'd say no. It is possible to set certain standards—but the difficulty you get into in formalizing standards and putting them into a document is. that the standards have to be in terms of the work to be •erne. So you would want to formalize as f:ew things as you possibly can in order not to