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r • 411 recommend that you do the same for your charter—leave it up to the council or I'oard to o gan:)ze the administrative branch This is a fluid .tort of thin and you can t go to the people every couple of years and ask them, "can we abolish a depart- ment, and consolidate a department." It doesn' t work. Arakaki: What about limitation of departments? James : This is a good idea and that is in our state constitution. • This would be a reasonable thing to do but perhaps leave the definition of it to somebody in the fcitur e so it can be charged again by council action.. . Civil Service status of dcr;, r tment heads. I disagree with Dr Ea cey o I uon 't tank any case can oe made for Civil Service tenure for department heads, again, on the basis that exist. centralization, ta•�ard. If yOU,6 '.T:G going to move toward administrative responvzbiIi„y,then youvGgOtto move people with it. All it gets is a lot of bickering for no reason at all. see no reason for having it under Civil Service Nagasal:o: Will you briefly sty marize the circumstances or reasons for change in city managers? James : 1) The common one is the manager feels he does not want • or cannot in good conscience do what the council wants him to do Difference of opinion between cou.nci_l and manager. 2) There is a constant turnover in the profession anyway. They start in small towns , then move on to larger cities , a chain of promotion within the profession. 3) Boredom. III. The minutes of the las tTMmeeta tr, as corrected, were approved. Correction to Item ID , page U 1 '°LC,fet h defined what she thought aas . © a the difference being that anything procedural cnn become partisan. . ." IV. Communications : 1) Letter of thanks from Stanley Ha Yoshimoto0 2) Mr. Bennett replied that Councilman Chikasuye will speak to our commission on October 24. It was moved by Baldwin that next week' s meeting be held at the regular time and placed Seconded by Amaral ,, carried (9 ayes) 0 V. Old Business : The Chair appointed Mrs . Loweth to extend our thanks to the Hilo Tribune- Herald for the fine publicity received in Sunday' s •pape:r c VI. New Business: 1964 Budget It was moved by Baldwin that the same budget committee that prepared the 1963 budget. prepare the budget for 1964° Seconded y Amaral, carried (9 ayes) The following suggestions were received: 1) T(awahara thought we might look into budgets of the other two charter commissions; 2) Baldwin pointed out that next year' s budget will be considerab- ly higher, with travel for public hearings , legal counsel , full- time secretary , etc . ; 3) Loweth reminded that at one time we discussed having a paid resource person and Leat. Fre discuss this before drawing up a budget; 4) regarding resource personnel , Rocrhnen suggested I.1r, Charles James , , who is willing and available to give us a hand. . • VII, The irneetirns act darned at 6 : 15 p.m. >• Respectful l/y submitted p ChiyPotlo Kinoshita , Secretary •