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lik ZINGER: Whooing to draw u P.the budget er the new charter? ' going Presumably the department heads and the city manager will work • out the recommendations for a budget, presumably they will submit to the board for approval, along with the city manager's budget proposal. At the same time that this is formally presented to the board for their approval, I feel that the audit commission's recommendation on the budget should be submitted at the same time. The city manager says here is what I suggest, and the audit commission 'says we feel that this can done to improve it. CHAIRMAN You would not say then that they would watch the operational • • unfolding of the budget as it is expended. ZINGER: No. I think the savings in cost are achieved by deciding or not deciding to do --when you set up the budget if you approve a certain program, or if you approve a certain level of operating expense, that is all that need , be done until the end of the budget period. Then you review the budget. • CHAIRMAN: Thank you. I was worried about the poor city manager. •HENRY: Going back to this commission. I. wonder if there is a need to put this into the charter, because under the set-up of any government the governing body may create anything by ordinance. I am wondering if such a matter should be turned over to. the county board of supervisors or what- • ever we are going to call this legislative body rather than being placed in the ..' charter. ZINGER: I think it should be placed in the charter for the same reason that this commission should not be appointed by either the board or the manager. Namely, 'if it is a creature of the board it can be elimin- ated, by the same board. This is going to be a necessary evil that the board cannot get rid of nor the .city manager can't ignore, it is autonomous. HENRY: Then this body must be an elected boly.. L CHAIRMAN: Anybody else? Mr. Zinger, do you have any thought about how a V . council or board would be elected? ZINGER: You mean the board that hires the manager? CHAIRMAN: Right. _ ZINGER: I have not prepared myself on that issue. I favor at. large as far as how the people are elected. : - A' 7 man at large I •.• s _ commission. CHAIRMAN: Any other question? Thank you very much. Would anyone else . care to make a presentation? > Y� ALICE BEECHERT 1306 Ululant Street Rh o, Hawaii v• I am speaking as president of the League of Women Voters of Hawaii County. am sure you all know the League did support the previous charter and we did so for at leribt two concrete reasons. One was that we were for a form of government ... which would separate legislative and,administrative functions, and second we were 'J .Q in favor of a finance department which would be responsible for carrying out fiscal ."`• policy, drawing up long range CIP •budgetc and operating budgets. As I look at the :Z, agenda for this evening it would seem to me that the form•of government that you choose in the key to discussing the other items on the agenda. As I say, we are N, N very thuch in favor of a form which would separate the legislative from the admim- istrative function. In order to do this.we felt then and we feel now, a strong, • mayor-council form would be the moot advantageous. If you elect a strong mayor than it would seem to us you give him the power to appoint and remove his depart- r1 meat heads. We would strongly recommend consistency in this. Give him this au-. thority in all departments. In addition to which, if you have a strong mayor, ,4 then a 11-yenr. term in advisable to give him a chanceto put his program into effect. «21-