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for granted for comforts and everyday things that are just <br /> around us have to be paid for. This is what I 'm saying. <br /> MS. ISBELL: Correct. But proportionately <br /> everything is going to have to go down. The wages that the <br /> policemen are going to get , and the teachers , if there isn ' t <br /> any money in the state coffers to pay teachers , for instance, <br /> how can they continue to pay them their wages? As you realize, <br /> they just had to make a request for more money because there <br /> wasn ' t enough to pay for all of the niceties that the teachers <br /> get. Well if that money were not available they just wouldn ' t <br /> get it. That ' s it. If the money isn 't there how can you <br /> spend it? Of course, the federal government manages to do that <br /> but I don ' t think we should try. <br /> MR. CADINHA: Another question. With regard <br /> to the apportionment commission, how would that commission be <br /> selected? <br /> MS. ISBELL: If you look at it right there in <br /> front of you. It ' s on the piece of paper from the Honolulu <br /> Charter. <br /> MR. CADINHA: It says there will be nine people. <br /> The presiding officer of the council shall , with the approval of <br /> the council select the members of the commission. <br /> MS. ISBELL: That' s right. All you have to do <br /> is follow the Honolulu Charter on how you select your commission <br /> and then they work with the county clerk and with all of the <br /> statistics they can get their hands on and it is up to them to <br /> reapportion. Then it says, also, that if anyone disagrees with <br /> it they have the right to challenge that. <br /> MR. CADINHA: So insofar as the commission no <br /> geographical balance intended. That is up to the presiding <br /> officer. You are saying we follow the Honolulu Charter? <br /> MS. ISBELL: Yes. Unless you can refine it and <br /> improve on it. That is always a possibility. But it is meant <br /> to show you how they did it. <br /> MR. CADINHA: Last question. Why are you against <br /> at-large candidates? <br /> MS. ISBELL: I think I made it fairly clear <br /> that when you have an at-large person, he is not totally responsive <br /> to a certain segment of people. It is very difficult to get hold <br /> of him. The advantage is for the people. When you have a person <br /> who is elected from your district , he can no longer pass the buck. <br /> That person is responsible for that district. An at-large person, <br /> and we have three now, we hardly ever see them in Kona. If we <br /> call them and ask them to come over they are just totally alien <br /> to our district. It is very difficult to explain to them that <br /> pothole out in front of your yard because they don ' t drive over <br /> - 12 - <br />