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Whish, I think , is a very good one. We are about there, right, <br /> Harlan. I think it is a very good, a very conservative position <br /> to take but I think it is correct. So that , I don ' t think, is <br /> necessary. You may want to place a limit as far as that debt <br /> service charge as percentage of income but if you did that <br /> then you would also have to put in provisions for the case of <br /> emergency, that you may exceed that limit. Then you will have <br /> to define what those emergencies are. It can be pretty messy. <br /> So you would have to sit down and tell them there shall be a <br /> prudent limit of debt services, right? What is a prudent man? <br /> '"T think the attorneys can tell you what a prudent man is. <br /> He is the national average. <br /> MR. SENSANO: Mr. Mayor. I realize that the <br /> charter is just a set of " guidelinesa. -;:.But you have been <br /> talking about deficiency in managing the county' s affairs. <br /> We now have a collective bargaining setup where the county <br /> has to operate under it also. I am just wondering, of course, <br /> this does not deal with the charter, but in the operations <br /> of the county' s different departments , how much training do <br /> your supervisors have as far as administering the contract <br /> is concerned? <br /> MAYOR MATAYOSHI : We do have a program, Herman. <br /> I couldn ' t give you the exact amount we do. I could ask Ed <br /> Silva from personnel services to see what level of training <br /> they are doing right now. But they do have a program ;in <br /> terms of getting our supervisors, foremen and so on, a <br /> training program as far as the contract and so on and personnel <br /> management and all that. We have to, as I take it and under- <br /> stand it, anyway, there are two prongs. One is the contract <br /> provisions of collective bargaining and two there is also the <br /> civil service rules and regulations that are also within this <br /> purviw. My understanding is that the personnel services are <br /> _doing this and at what level we are coming on, I will have to <br /> ask Ed. I will have to defer, I 'm sorry. I will have to defer <br /> to him and have him comment on that. <br /> MR. SENSANO: The reason why I ask you is that <br /> I have had limited contacts with some of your supervisors and <br /> one comment that I got when I asked about certain operations <br /> of certain departments and these supervisors seem to have had <br /> the feeling that now that they have the union why your hands <br /> are tied. That certainly is not what it is supposed to be <br /> and so I just wondered how much trainingsupervisors are having <br /> as far as employee and employer relationships are concerned. <br /> This person that I talked to--I don ' t want to name names but <br /> seems to me to be afraid because of the collective bargaining <br /> or your contract. <br /> MAYOR MATAYOSHI : I think he is an exception <br /> more than the rule. I don ' t--I hope anyway. I ' ll have to <br /> check but as you say, is it because of union. If we are union <br /> it doesn ' t mean that one is shackled. The management rights <br /> are still there. I ' ll have to check -into that. I 'm sorry. <br /> -28- <br />