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MR. PULHAM: I could have hit it on the head <br /> until you threw that last one in there. There were two <br /> elected, excuse me, three, Kekua Kaapu, Bob Taira and; one <br /> more, yes, Donald Ching. What came out later, I think was. . . <br /> if I have to hazard a guess , I would say 50% of those people <br /> were--from the Honolulu area at least--were staff members of <br /> elected officials. In other words, from Mr. Suwa' s office, <br /> or Mr. Ching' s office, or whoever, you take your pick and go <br /> down the list and then go back and look at the records and <br /> see who they work for over in the legislature. About 50%, <br /> I would think. <br /> MR. CADINHA: According to this, do you still <br /> feel that if it were to be an elected body it would be less. . <br /> e e e <br /> MR. PULHAM: You can never say that it will <br /> or it won ' t be. I would suggest that it wouldn ' t be from the <br /> standpoint that this didn ' t happen on the Big Island, what we <br /> are talking about. It was an Oahu thing. We are a small <br /> enough community yet that we pretty well know who people are <br /> and who they represent, this sort of thing. I don ' t think so, <br /> no. But at any rate, if you voted for them then you would be <br /> responsible for their conduct regardless of who they are. You <br /> voted them into office, or I did, or whatever. This is the <br /> point. <br /> MR. CADINHA: I have one more question regarding <br /> zero base budgeting. Are you connecting this with the spending <br /> limit? <br /> MR. PULHAM: I think you have to. I think that, <br /> well , they don ' t go -together in the same package or in the same <br /> sentence. What I am saying is that the one compliments the <br /> other. I think that if I had my choice between the two, I would <br /> pick just zero base budgeting because I think you probably will <br /> accomplish it anyway. I think the trend is toward having some <br /> kind of spending limits such as we ended up with on the state <br /> level , as you know. Sure, there were some people screaming but <br /> now, if you look in the paper, the chairman of the finance <br /> committee and everybody else is agreeing now that it was a good <br /> thing. I think it is something, as I say, its time is here. <br /> I think you' re going to have to wrestle with it. If you don' t, <br /> we are going to end up with it as an initiative proposal. <br /> MRS. KOBAYASHI : Mr. Pulham, regarding your <br /> representation of district, two per district. Yours- is the <br /> first proposal of ten councilmen that we have had. It sounds <br /> reasonable but the only problem that I can see is, what happens <br /> when you have a tie vote? The, present council is nine so at <br /> least you have a five and four. <br /> MR. PULHAM: This is something that political <br /> scientists have been kicking around for years and I don ' t know <br /> that it ever actually happens. You could very easily have the , <br /> county chairman not vote and you wouldn ' t have a tie because <br /> there would be nine other members so you wouldn 't have to worry <br /> about it unless one was gone, would you? <br /> MRS. KOBAYASHI: But then you would have a . , <br /> chairman who, well , I don ' t know, how would he. . . <br /> - 22 - <br />