2018-07-02 Game Management Advisory Commission Minutes

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Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – July 2, 2018 rights that did exist at the time – that perhaps they didn’t know the difference between the Department of Interior and the Department of Agriculture – meaning that this would be more like the Department of Agriculture in that it should have allowed for the hunting and fishing to continue. It doesn’t seem like the Territory of Hawaii would have ever considered it being locked up so that it couldn’t be used for the purposes that it was being used before. NP: They didn’t know... RW: Yeah, and that’s what I’m saying – they didn’t know. Now we move ahead to this time and, I guess, my question is – especially with the resurgence in the fact that we do have those that represent the Territory of Hawaii – could this be renegotiated – in other words – renegotiated in a way that could accommodate a balance where we could regain cultural items that have been lost because what we’re seeing now is that every time the preservations steps in it appears to imbalance rather than balance what’s there and, again, I’m relatively new to the Island – I came from western Colorado and so we have lots of game out there – lots of game management – and in this particular case, I guess what I see it just from the very beginning a lack of understanding of how these lands were to be managed and now these restrictions that are on especially for those – not just those who were originally here – the Hawaiians and so forth – but the generations that came after that continue on this experience that is so important to our island – the animals that we have out there – the necessity for our hunters – the necessity for our fishermen community – so I guess I’ll leave it at that. TL: Well, we’re gonna have a gentleman here that is gonna talk to us a little bit about that. You may be able to talk to him later on – but this is the – the purpose of this of – of bringing that Park in is exactly that. We were wanting to look what the history is and... RW: Thank you for your time.... JK: My name is James Kemana Kushinya \[sp? – called around but no one knows who he is and he didn’t sign up\] concerned parent, grandparent, great-grandparent. And \[unclear\] and cultural practitioner. So my concern is that you know it confuses me. The National Park can recognize the Indians and the Eskimos and I know they’re not Indians but that’s what we were brought up with to, you know, as we know them, so, but how come they have all of these cultural rights and then you excluding the Hawaiians. LS: Yeah, it’s not that the Park Service – well, the Park Service is because of the what, what’s happened is that... JK: But we’re all indigenous people now? 10