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Page 17 <br />1 way the world is what it is today. <br />2 So, any comment from Amy or Bill? <br />3 MR. HIGGINS: Well, can I just -- <br />4 CHR. ONO: Yeah, go ahead. <br />5 MR. HIGGINS: -- follow up a little bit more? <br />6 Because this has to do with the charter, and <br />7 that's a big change. That's a real big deal. So let's <br />8 just say that this was more controversial and she went <br />9 before Mr. Shipman and said, you know, "I did meet" -- <br />10 "I had a phone conversation with Mr. Ono, but we didn't <br />11 say that. We didn't talk about that" or "That <br />12 particular point was not what I understood it to be." <br />13 Well, then what happens? You know, then the whole <br />14 thing -- that's all I'm saying. <br />15 CHR. ONO: No, I understand. <br />16 MR. HIGGINS: Yeah. <br />17 And then my second follow-up to that is, Amy, <br />18 on your memo, why is any of it redacted? Why should <br />19 there be any blackouts at all? <br />20 MS. SELF: I don't know what -- I didn't <br />21 black it out, so I -- <br />22 MR. HIGGINS: Well, who did? <br />23 MR. PAVAO: E-mails. <br />24 MR. BRILHANTE: Our office, Department of HR, <br />25 redacted it because it had personal information <br />ISLAND COURT REPORTING & TRANSCRIPTION SERVICES <br />(808) 933-9800 <br />