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Hawaii is limited to the 1.8 million acres. The 2.4 million acres was under lease contract under
<br />King Kalakaua for 25 years, so they are not those lands would have been, a contract would
<br />have been impaired so the Republic of Hawaii only gave the 1.8 million acres illegally to the
<br />United States that became the Territory of Hawaii, 1900, 1920 Hawaiian Homes Commission
<br />Act, 1959 compact Hawaiian Homes Commission Act/State of Hawaii. So, the jurisdiction be
<br />limited to 1.8 million acres, and it's all questionable.
<br />Now, I think these lands here are, was a contract lands under King Kalakaua for 25 years.
<br />They're not included. They still belong into the Hawaiian Kingdom, and I think you guys don't
<br />have jurisdiction over these, the 2.4 million acres. That's why when you read about the
<br />Admission Act, Palmyra Island, Johnston Island is not included. They're not part of the 1.8
<br />million acres. They are part of the 2.4 million acres.
<br />So, unless the—the whole history is put out there, and another thing, too, I want to remind
<br />people of, the treaties and all countries, they ended in 1897. The only treaty that was no included
<br />was the Reciprocity Treaty because that was not a treaty at all. King Kalakaua didn't sign it.
<br />The U.S. President didn't sign it. They had three U.S. citizens who did it, who is not authorized.
<br />And, they rely on that in Downes vs. Bidwell to take over this kingdom. Sai vs. Clinton and Sai
<br />vs. Trump, most recently. But, the argument in Downes vs. Bidwell is based on the kings of
<br />Europe what they're doing, not the United States Constitution. So, whatever the European kings
<br />was doing, the United States has no amendment to do as the kings were doing in Europe. So,
<br />conquest and by treaty didn't happen. Neither happened. So, the jurisdiction is what are you
<br />dealing with? Do you have jurisdiction over the 2.4 million acres?
<br />And another thing, too, I want to point out. Under the Mahele, you don't own land. There's
<br />native tenant rights, the lands are Crown and Government lands, all subject to native tenant
<br />rights, and the lands was only leased out. Back then was three to five years until King Kalakaua.
<br />That was bumped up to 25 years. So, a lot of the leases ended in 1925, and that's why the
<br />Hawaiian Homes Commission Act doesn't include those lands. Hawaiian Homes Commission
<br />Act is 1920, and if you read about the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, those, the 2.4 million
<br />acres is not included, and I think this lands in question today is not included, so the question of
<br />jurisdiction. But, again, it's full disclosure. And, I hear a lot of times people say, oh there was
<br />born and raised here, but under what condition? Treaties ended in 1897. Unless you are a
<br />naturalized native, national of the Hawaiian Kingdom, you have to be naturalized to the
<br />Hawaiian Kingdom or be here on a valid treaty, and treaties all ended.
<br />So, I reserve the rights of the Kingdom. Thank you.
<br />CLARKSON: Thank you, all. Is there anybody else that has signed up to testify? Please be
<br />seated.
<br />ROHR: I forgot to add that there was a family that had to be rescued from their roof in Sunrise
<br />Ridge when that wall of water formed. It flooded their house.
<br />CLARKSON: I forgot to ask—any questions for these testifiers? I guessoh, you have a
<br />question?
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