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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN PWMTC 2020/06/16 2018-2020 Committee on Public Works and Mass Transit 22nd Session Hawaii County Building 25 Aupuni Street Hilo, Hawaii June 16, 2020 CALL TO The regular meeting of the Committee on Public Works and Mass Transit ORDER: was called to order at 11:30 a.m. in the Council Chambers, Hilo, Hawaii, by Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Chair. ROLL CALL: Present: Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Chair Mr. Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Vice Chair(came in later) Mr. Aaron S. Y. Chung, Member Ms. Maile Medeiros David, Member (via videoconference from Kona) Ms. Karen Eoff, Member (via videoconference from Kona) Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member(came in later) Ms. Valerie T. Poindexter, Member Mr. Herbert M. "Tim" Richards, III, Member Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member (via videoconference from Kona) CHR. LEE LOY: Just want to level-set a little bit and set some of the expectations. We are running a little behind, so what I'd like to do is go ahead and move into public testimony, take the public testimony for the items on this agenda, and then recess so that we can move into our government affairs committee, and then pick this back up. So with that, I'd like to get our Statements from the Public. Mr. Clerk,please. STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items. PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS: The following individuals registered to speak and came forward when called by the Chair: Hannah L. Hedrick: Comm. 799, comment. Olivia Filoteo Kekipi: Comm. 796, comment. (representing Ryan K. Towing Services) CHR. LEE LOY: So with that, I'm going to be closing public testimony and placing the Committee on Public Works and Mass Transit in recess until after our government affairs committee. Thank you. PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 Recess: At 11:37 a.m., the Chair called for a recess. Reconvene: The Chair reconvened the meeting at 1:14 p.m. CHR. LEE LOY: Alright, thank you. I'd like to the Committee on Public Works and Mass Transit out of recess. And with that, Mr. Clerk, if you could please What I would like to start with is actually an apology. We had an individual, Mr. Robert Barfield who came earlier to testify on Communication 799, and unfortunately his name was placed in another pile. And so if I could have my staff either reach out to him, I would really like to get some feedback from him. He did make the time to come and testify, and unfortunately with some human error and some juggling, his name ended up in a different pile. So, we apologize. But please, if my staff could reach out to him and get his thoughts on Communication 799. But with that, Mr. Clerk, if you could please read in Communication 796. COMMUNI- The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, CATIONS: Communications. Comm. 796: REQUESTS A DISCUSSION WITH THE ADMINISTRATION REGARDING PAYMENT PRACTICES FOR COUNTY CONTRACTED VEHICLE TOWING SERVICES From Council Members Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder and Susan L. K. Lee Loy, dated March 2, 2020. Postponed: March 10, 2020 (Note: There is a motion by Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, seconded by Mr. Richards, to close file on Comm. 796.) CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, I know you had a number of individuals to come and attend the meeting. I think we have someone here from Police Department along with DEM (Department of Environmental Management). So if you could go ahead and start our discussion. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Chair. Yeah, I think, the community as a whole had some concerns given what we saw in Maku`u, from recent events. And then both Council Member Lee Loy and I had some discussion and a follow-up with different members of the community. Page 2 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 Do you want to come forward? We talked to DEM, Environmental Management, last time if I remember correctly. Is that right? And then, Torey, we had some questions for you, as well. Bill, you might as well come up, sit down. So we have all of you at one table. It's good. Everyone on one table, and we have one discussion. (Note: At this time, Traffic Service Program Manager Torey Keltner and Environmental Management Director Bill Kucharski came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you for being here today. So I'll just cut right to the heart of it. When we talk about towing concerns in the County of Hawai`i, we're really talking about two different agencies. That's what I've come to understand: Environmental Management and the Police Department, for towing private vehicles to different circumstances. Environmental Management handles contracting services for abandon vehicles, and the Police Department handles contract services for police tows. Am I correct so far? Yes? Okay, I'm getting nods yes, Okay. There is some overlap, those I've come to understand, in some certain areas. The main concern was a police tow that's called in as an abandoned vehicle when it's a hazard. At that point, you have an abandoned vehicle that's actually being towed, given the Police Department's direction, by a private tow company. Am I correct with that assumption? MR. KELTNER: That's correct. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. So that's where I'm going to kind of take this conversation right now. So how many towing companies provide services for the Police Department? MR. KELTNER: Currently three. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Three departments. Can you share that information or is that—? MR. KELTNER: Share the names of the company? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yes. MR. KELTNER: Yeah, it's Cartow Kohala, Tow Guys, and Ken's Towing. CHR. LEE LOY: Torey, if I could interrupt for a minute, could you just identify yourself for the record? Page 3 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 MR. KELTNER: Sure. My name is Torey Keltner. I am the Program Manager for Traffic Services with the Hawaii Police Department. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, so we have three providers that do towing services for the Police Department. And what are the requirements for contract for the towing companies? MR. KELTNER: Well, it's defined as a service agreement as opposed to a contract, is my understanding. It's you know, there are a lot of requirements. The citizen that actually provided a statement earlier kind of hit on that. There are a lot of requirements for them to actually be on there, which means that their locations have to be inspected, meet standards that we have that have been set in place for a long time through the Department of Health. And so we they have to have a certain number of vehicles that are capable, and they have to be licensed. They have to have a tow behind and a flatbed carrier. That size of the lot that they are able to tow them to has to be, you know, of a certain size to do that. There are many limitations to make it hard to actually bring the tow companies on to the service itself. That's why we run into problems. We currently have—we have three, I believe it's two or three, that are in the process of getting on the towing service agreement in Kona area, because we don't have anybody over there currently, which poses a problem. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. What qualifies as a police tow? What is called qualifiers? When is the police called, and a vehicle to be towed? MR. KELTNER: Well, predominately when a tow occurs when the police are involved is when there's a traffic crash, then the officers at the scene will contact the people involved and ask them if they have a preference of a tow. You know, many times they say they don't know or they don't have a particular tow that they do. So we contact one of those three that are on that tow service and it's on a rotational basis that whoever is, you know, up or next in their particular geographical area, which they are separated by pretty big distances, then they will be called. And they'll respond and then they'll tow the vehicles from that area to typically their tow-yard. And that's what the vast majority of what police-involved tows are. So a citizen then is ultimately responsible for the vehicle, you know, at that point. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: An Aliyah Law violation, would that be tow for the Police Department? MR. KELTNER: Yeah, an Aliyah Law tow is another side of it, but that is in relation to the Aliya Law tow was created to address particularly DUI(Driving Under the Influence) offenses. The way it is written, it does you know, if a vehicle is being operated doesn't have a licensed driver, doesn't have a valid registration and those kind of things, they can be towed for that, as well. In the Page 4 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 documents that I have, it said that—so the vehicle then would be towed. Sorry, it would be towed to the lot of one of the three in the rotation that are called, and they're stored there. The idea was to prohibit an intoxicated driver from being able to immediately take their vehicle and then drive again. You know, unfortunately the case that it's entitled from was that. So then the responsibility would then fall to the tow company, in a fee to the registered owner of the vehicle. The documents that I have that are from the County Council, and that says it, the County ultimately is not responsible for the expense of those tows and the Police Department is not responsible for the expense of those tows. What we found when I came in to this position, and I found that there were many of those that were in the tow-yards of the tow companies that were on the service, and it was prohibiting them from doing additional tows because over time, you know, we had filled up yards with that. So I had an idea like, you know, ran it through the chain of command. We approached the Department of Environmental Management, Mr. Kucharski, and asked if they would be able and willing to help if we were able to get the tow companies to remove the vehicles that were under Aliyah's Law tow, if they would tow them to the disposal. And if the Department of Environmental Management could pay for just the disposal, and then they wouldn't then be charged for the towing, you know, to-from storage and those things. And ultimately, it is a way to clean up the community, so we could get the other tows, the abandoned vehicles that are out there, have the opportunity to do that. And that was presented as those companies that are currently on the "no-preference"tow rotation. Those were the companies that we had offered to do that, so that we could have their service. So we can ask them to come and help, and we would do what we could to help clean up the areas that they had. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: And what happened to that idea? Or did it go towards that? MR. KELTNER: It's currently functioning. It's somewhere around, I think probably 180 cars, I think, is about that number. I apologize, I don't have the exact number for that. But it's somewhere around there, that we've actually disposed of. We started with Ken's Towing in particular, because they had the largest numbers, they have the largest amount. That's how many that, you know, with the three parts of it that worked together, to get them out of there, which has led to the ability to get more vehicles taken care of. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That is good becauseI mean, kind of what you're talking about is what we love and we call "Puna Cars,"which are cars with no registration, no safety check, and they get pulled over. And they're not come back for that car. MR. KELTERNER: Right. Page 5 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Once the lose it, they're not coming back. If it's abandoned, they're not coming back for it. MR. KELTNER: Yeah, and that was part of the problem we had, is seeing that, you know, these cars would end up in one place and then they show up again, you know, abandoned or reported in another place. Council Woman Kierkiewicz and I talked several times about it. Because I presented this quite a long time ago, you know, "Hey, I see a problem and here's some ideas of how we're going to go and address that." So as it moved forward, we've gotten better at dealing with that. And numbers wise, I think we're in the significantly better place than we have been. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Because what I saw was, after the towing company takes the vehicle, they're responsible to cover the cost of the tow. MR. KELTNER: For the Aliyah's Law? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah, well, to anything that they tow, from the Police Department. That's what I understood. Is that correct? MR. KELTNER: Well, it's the citizen is responsible. If it's—say it's at a crash, the citizen is the one who's responsible for doing that. So what then happens is, if the car is totaled, the citizen many times MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Don't comeback. MR. KELTNER: They don't. And so they get stuck with this. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So for the towing company, still out for the cost of the tow unless they can collect it from the citizen? MR. KELTNER: Right. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yes. MR. KELTNER: And the reality of a big part of this is that the cost that it is to dispose of a car greatly outweighs the expense for the metal to recycle it. When these things were set up previously, I think it was the other way around. I think you actually could you could recoup, you know, financially. A citizen could recoup money enough to pay for the disposal of a vehicle just by the salvage or whatever it's called, the recycling of the vehicle, and it doesn't work like that anymore. It's expensive. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I agree, yeah. That's the feedback that I was getting. That was my concern. Page 6 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 Another issue I wanted to touch on. When it's called in, what are we classifying that vehicle as? I've come to understand that the classification of the vehicle makes a difference on the backend for the towing companies and for us, as well. MR. KELTNER: I don't understand what you mean. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So when the police come upon a vehicle that's not being considered an abandon vehicle but is posing a hazard and it's in a roadway, and you're calling that in to have it removed by a towing company regardless of the vehicle's appearance, does it have it wheels, is it functional,just regardless of what's going on, how is it being classified? MR. KELTNER: I think it's dependent on the particular case. If it's a hazard, I mean, it's impeding the traffic way and potentially could cause a traffic crash, then it would be a traffic hazard. That's the way it should be identified. If it's not immediately in the traffic way but within the—what is it called? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: The right-of-way. MR. KELTNER: The right-of way, sorry. When it's in the right-of-way, then we would define it as an abandoned vehicle, if that's the case. So to deal with a traffic hazard, they are to be towed as soon as possible, because that's the situation. It needs to be towed and removed from the area. So some of the things that I've been doing with that, and to try find those cases when they come through and if it is a traffic hazard, then you know, then we do receive bills submitted by the tow companies through our Finance office. And those things they come through, and they'll ask me, "Is this appropriate? Is this how?" And yeah, we'll go through and approve them. We see the bills; if it matches with what it is supposed to be as a traffic hazard, then yes, that's what we'll do. You know, at timesI think in the past, there have been confusions on that, how they've been titled, and they'll sit as an abandoned vehicle and then towed. I've gone through and sought out like any of them I can find that are Aliyah Law tows and made the request to—if we can get those, get those removed and get them to help the tow companies to help the County keep things cleaned up and more safe. I think we're you know, that's the ways that I found that I can best serve the community with that. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Yeah, what Imy concern is towing companies tow a vehicle and they're out the cost, and the County says, "It's your responsibility to collect from the owner." At that point we've created an issue and we're not helping. Because by removing that vehicle, they're taking care of a public safety hazard. I mean, so if we're not helping them those public safety Page 7 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 hazards, then we're not doing our job. Because we have to take care of the people who are helping us take care of the problems. MR. KELTNER: Right. And one of things that came up in one of the Council meetings that I sat and attended, I heard someone talk about that they had a large number of those that hadn't been paid for. But I haven't received any bills or haven't seen them. When I went to talk to Finance about it, they hadn't received any bills or anything for those particular vehicles. It's not something that the department would,just outwardly just the pay the bill when it came. We would do the research and make sure it was appropriate. Because we found even in the research with some that I found, they'll say it's the tow company will say it's one thing, and in reality, you know, they were mistaken or somewhere in there was wrong. But there's a you know, we've helped a lot of them. If we get the information on the vehicles, if they're saying that that's the case, we can do the research and find out what it is, where it's at. But I haven't received anything. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. I think the other side, too, is accountability. Because right now there's no accountability for an owner of a vehicle, and for the accountability to be laid in the hands of the towing company, again we're back to the same problem. Whereas, if your car shows up somewhere and it's registered to you, and you can't get your license or you can't register your next vehicle because your other vehicle was found in the middle of a right-of-way in Puna somewhere, which we find again and again, then now there's accountability at the County level versus accountability at the towing company level. That's where I see some ability for us to help. MR. KELTNER: It may not be appropriate for me to even say, but we've got to make sure that the person that left vehicle there was the person that was on the registration, as well. Because I've seen that where, you know, we run it down and find out that, well, it wasn't that person that—they sold the vehicle. It wasn't properly documented in the transition or the transaction of that. So there are some other pieces that should be clarified and how that's done, too. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I agree, but there has to be accountability somewhere down the line. MR. KELTNER: Yes, I agree. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: If not, then it's just an open—we have the same problem again, again, and again. So going back to that root, where is it coming from? Someone had to move that vehicle to someone else for it to become a problem for us or the towing companies. So I'm trying to find that root. To me, there seem to be a root of this issue. Okay, thank you. I yield. Page 8 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Ms. Poindexter, go ahead. MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah. Okay, so you you know, at one point I heard you say that there's a rotation of tows that the police officers call. In the beginning, you said only Ken's Towing, Tow Guys, and another one from Kohala. Okay, so I know that we have a lot of, on the east side of the island, a lot of things going on with the towing, and then Kona doesn't have. You know, how do you guys award these contracts? Why only one? I mean, you haveI can pull up a lot of towing companies in Kea`au and all over. Why are we—it's a monopoly, that just Ken's Towing gets it. I've heard a lot of complaints. And then when he needs to get rid of cars because things are getting to full, then you guys come up with one program to help him out, to get the cars taken care of, to free it up. So a lot of the public has a bad taste in their mouths because of how things are going on and what it looks like. Whether—it's not being done on purpose, but it's a perception that here you have this monopoly going on, Because I've heard it even from someone on the inside saying, "We are told only to call Ken's Towing," okay. So then, the next—then you're saying, "We do a rotation,"but that's only aI mean, this is such a monopoly . Tell me how can the others have MR. KELTNER: If I could? Sorry. MS. POINDEXTER: Okay, go ahead. MR. KELTNER: There's not a monopoly. If you have names of companies and people that are interested, please give them my direct number, and I'll get the paperwork to them. We want more people involved. MS. POINDEXTER: Okay. MR. KELTNER: And the tow companies even want more people involved. MS. POINDEXTER: Okay, that's great. Okay. MR. KELTNER: You know, as I had said, it's not an easy thing. They have to meet certain standards and do that. MS. POINDEXTER: Right. MR. KELTNER: And there's a lot of paperwork to go through. You know, they have—all the drivers have to be in good standing. There's all kinds of stuff that has to be there. If we could have—one of my goals was to have 20 on there. Page 9 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 MS. POINDEXTER: Right. MR. KELTNER: If we could have 20 towing companies on there, so that everybody was there, then we would end up with some of the issues we have. MS. POINDEXTER: Right. MR. KELTNER: The rotational MS. POINDEXTER: Because you guys, with doing that, you put Ken's Towing in a bit of a predicament, as well. Because you know that in 2015, the Department of Health was after them because of a place that they have had that they shouldn't have had, where they were bringing cars and stuff. So when you talk about background checks and doing all that kind stuff—and he still doing all the towing. So either we've got to look at what the criteria is so that we can get more people involved with this and not just monopolize the whole towing business, where only one gets, you know, on the eastside has everything and then Kona has nothing. So if you're struggling with that, then we we've got start relooking at the criteria so that we can bring in more tow companies. MR. KELTNER: That's a very good idea. MS. POINDEXTER: Thank you. So I think that's—yeah, that's all I had, because I'm yeah, it's—we've got to do better. And when we talk about rebuilding the economy and stuff, we've got to start talking about businesses. It's all small—some of them are small businesses. We just got through talking about how to revitalize our economy and stuff, and government doesn't do a good job of that as far as making it available to everyone fairly. So anyway, thank you. Thank you for allowing me. Thank you, Madam Chair. I yield. CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Ms. Poindexter. Before I go to Mr. Richards, I'm going to check in at Kona. Anyone in Kona? MS. DAVID: Thank you, Chair. This is Maile. I just had one question. I'm sure one. CHR. LEE LOY: Go ahead, Ms. David. MS. DAVID: Thank you very much. And mahalo for being here. My question is, on the Kona side you said there were no vendors,just three. Or are there—is there one vendor in Kona? MR. KELTNER: No, currently we don't have a vendor that's in Kona itself. Cartow Kohala and Tow Guys are the ones that are—that travel there to conduct the tows. Page 10 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 MS. DAVID: Okay. And then my next question is, because when cars from Kona due to an accident gets towed to one of these facilities, who establishes the rates on how much it costs for them to retrieve it, because they would have to travel outside of Kona to even get their car. So do we have any involvement in the cost of retrieving, or the fee for retrieving, a car towed from Kona say to Kohala? MR. KELTNER: Well, we can't have involvement in that. The service agreement that the Police Department has with them says that we are not involved in setting the rates that they have, and those rates are set by State law, which is something that I had talked Councilman Richards about previously. So there are some issues with that. MS. DAVID: Exactly. Because I think I haveI was contacted a few days ago, and coincidentally this was on the agenda, of someone having to go to retrieve the car that was towed outside of their district of Kona and was told of an outrageous fee that he had to pay to retrieve his vehicle, and also was not allowed to retrieve any of his personal items from the truck or car; for example, his house keys, et cetera. So my question is, as you—food for thought, it is a real—given the situation we're in, if this is what's happening to people that have their cars towed from the Kona area because we don't have a vendor here, that's a real big disservice to the people that have to retrieve their car and pay a large amount of money to do so because of the location of the vendor, so just food for thought. I will be contacting you to get a little bit more information. But thanks for your input today and educating us in this matter. Thank you, Matt. Mahalo. Thank you, Chair. CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Ms. David. Anyone else in Kona? With that, Mr. Richards, you have the floor. MR. RICHARDS: Thank you, Chair. Okay, I'm going to do this, too. Matt, this is a great thing to come forward right now. And there's a communication that the Council will be receiving again, I believe again, anyway it's a letter dated March 22nd and it pertains to this exactly. To your point, Val, one of the problems we have is it's not that it's not available for car tow companies, as I understand it's because they don't want to do it because the financial side is not there; and so that's something that we have to look at. And it has been pointed out from financial side, the towing is dictated by a State law, so realistically we have a State law that we have to go work on to make this thing work forward. And this highlights the problem, I completely agree with you that the problem with small businesses, and we have to support those small businesses going forward. Page 11 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 In the letter you'll be getting, it's coming forth as a communication (see Comm. 796.1). It's an attachment, so the Council will all be getting it. We're not going to solve this today. This came outright when the COVID-19 thing was hitting, and so all the brakes were hit. But coming back around to the point, of when they're towing in Kona—and, Maile, this in part goes to you, I know what happens since there's no vendor in Kona, they'll call people from Waimea area. And the way as I understand, the charge they can run, they don't get to charge for their travel time, they only get to charge for the actual towing time, and if they're only towing it from point A to point B in Kona, there's a lot of expense that they have to eat until they get for getting down there. To the point, and that's where I'm at, this is something that you just pointed out, that the towing company has to wait until the owner of the vehicle pays for the tow. And if they abandon it like the conversation that we've just have, they never reap that financial return. And so once again, we're not supporting them. Also, as we've evolved, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, you towed a car. Big deal. Now when we're cleaning up accidents, we have hazardous materials on the ground. There are certifications, and has been pointed out, there are a lot more certification and expectation of the vendors that are approved going forward to have those capabilities and certification, yet our State law is not keeping up with that and affording the ability to do all that. So once again, it comes back to, I think we as a County the system I think is broken—and I think we as a County have to advocate for a change in the State law which will then support these companies going forward. And once we get where it's a reasonable return, then I think we're going to see a lot more people willing to step up and do that. And I know the rotation. If we have only have three companies on the island, this is a big island. If Hilo guys don't want to do it and you have call down in Ka`u, they're going to send someone from Kohala to go down to Ka`u? I think that's the only alternative at this point. So that is in and of itself a problem. Val, you pointed out the small business side. You know, we have aI know the Cartow Kohala. These are constituents of mine. We've had long visits on this. They've been working very diligently on doing the right thing and investing in the little companies going forward. And this is something I brought up when we were discussing budget, talking about the tow truck for the busses. We have little companies with the equipment, and it's far cheaper to hire them to haul tow our busses than it is to invest in doing that. So from a fiscal management standpoint, it's far better for us to support these little businesses. But we have to start at the foundation first, which is going back and looking at what it costs these companies and supporting the legislation that allows them to be compensated that is just. Now when it comes to taking care of the tows that—you know, we don't want the County stuck with the bill, but we also don't want to stick these little companies Page 12 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 with the bill either. So when they're cleaning up an accident site or whatever the case may be, we have to do better. And I agree with you, Val, on that one. We've got to re-engineer this thing because it's not working, and the reason we don't have the companies is because it's not working. They don't want to extend themselves. I have discussed this with the Cartow people, and they continue to do it, though that's—it's a money loser for them to do it. They do it more as a service than anything else. But the time is running short, because they don't want to do it anymore unless we can fix this. So we as a Council have to work with the Police and Environmental Management to figure this out, so that it actually makes sense for these little businesses to float and go forward. No, I see this communication came forward(Comm. 796.1). You can read down there in the example of what the point is and what the actual cost is. So I appreciate having this conversation right now because that actually is the first step to getting this fixed. Like I said, it came forward back in March, then we know what's happened for the last couple of months. So Chair, with that I'm going to yield. But I think we have to look at all of our towing. And again, like I was talking about Mass Transit, the financial cost does not justify the County doing that. We can support these little businesses to get that done. With that, I'm going to yield. But thanks, Matt, for highlighting this. This highlights it exactly. And we need to fix it because these companies can't fix it on their own. We have to advocate for State law change; change the rate that they're being compensated. And a lot of stuff, you know, Honolulu, out of their district, were talking two or three minutes, out of district on Big Island is hours, and so big difference. Chair, I yield. CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Richards, for really summarizing the issue. Ms. Poindexter, go ahead. MS. POINDEXTER: Thank you, Chair. Just one more thing. Yeah, so what he said, usually if it's out of your district, you go miles. That's why it's important to have all these small towing companies who are right in reach. You know, you can have one in Ka`u, and their mileage is not far because they're not going to drive to Hilo to get a car, right? They'll take care of your Ka`u stuff. Right in Kailua- Kona you have—and I know the rates here are pretty low; $80 hook-up after hours, plus $7.50 per towed mile. But if you have in each of those small rural areas or even in the cities, and throughout the rural, it will be okay for now. We've just got to work outside that box that we've been working in, because we've only given it to these towing companies. These towing companies make money, too. I had an experience with one of them that made good money. With a brand-new engine and we couldn't get the car back because they claimed that they had it trashed. You know, so I have some Page 13 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 experiences, too, that I know those towing companies make monies from towing stuff. And like Council Member Maile David was saying, they couldn't get their car back because they couldn't afford to pay that money, you know, but with insurance or whatever later down the line. But sometimes those towing companies will give you a very, very difficult time. I'm just saying that. That's why we need to spread this business around, and I know it can be done, even at these rates, if we have them all located in those communities. I just want to ask you to continue to work with other towing companies, as well. And I'll reach out to some of the towing companies that I know and see what they say, as well. So thank you. MR. KELTNER: Council Woman Poindexter? MS. POINDEXTER: Sure. MR. KELTNER: I appreciate that. And truly, if there are businesses that are interested in doing this, I mean, I will gladly do what I can to get them involved. MS. POINDEXTER: Right. MR. KELTNER: I mean, we're seeking them out. MS. POINDEXTER: Right. Because a lot of times this is good on their business stuff. It's things they can write off, too. We don't know, until we start asking them, yeah? What are the benefits on that side of it? MR. KELTNER: Just addressing it, I drove to Ka`u one instance to talk to John Masters down there because he asked about that. So I went down and talked to him and got him paperwork and what he needed to do. I don't know that he can meet all the requirements in that. MS. POINDEXTER: Is part of the requirement having to drive to Hilo to do a tow? MR. KELTNER: No, it wouldn't be because it's defined by a geographic area. MS. POINDEXTER: Okay. So is geographic area, was it a large geographic area or was it a smaller geographic area? MR. KELTNER: Well, it would be the Ka`u area,yeah. MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah, so—and you may want to look at that, too. You may want to cut down geographic areas so that people will want to do it. I don't know. I'll go look at what you're looking at. I don't think I want to waste more time here Page 14 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 doing it. But I definitely want to look at it because I think we need to work on our situation in the County. MR. KELTNER: Yeah, and I'm sure that it's identified in here. But the statute, particularly that is that I look at for the finances of it, is actually Hawaii Revised Statute 290-11, that's what I've been referenced to. And the fees are they're minimal. I mean, it's aif I could read it really quickly, it's just"charge not more than $65 for a tow or $75 for a tow using a dolly, plus mileage charge at$7.50 and $25 per day." You know, we obviously there's two sides, and we want make sure that the citizens are capable of being able to pay to have the vehicles towed, but we've got to make sure that the small businesses are capable of providing the service, and somewhere there's the balance. MS. POINDEXTER: Right. And then there's the—after hours is a little bit more? MR. KELTNER: Yeah. Yeah, it goes on, and say a bit more. Yes, ma'am. MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah, okay. MR. KELTNER: But yes. MS. POINDEXTER: I yield, Madam Chair. CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Ms. Poindexter. Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, you have the floor. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Just a follow-up question. Sounds like we had businesses before that were working with the Police Department to tow, but due to financial the concerns or too many vehicles, they've dropped out of using the program or they're not a vendor for us anymore, is that correct? MR. KELTNER: Some of the biggest issues that I've seen is they're not HCE (Hawai`i Compliance Express) compliant, so they don't meet like the taxes and because they have to you know, and if that falls out, then they obviously can't be or can't participate in that, and that's where we've had them. I'm running it up against that right now with one that would be great to bring on, but we've got to get them to where they need to be. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: If one of those companies was, you know, heavily in debt or had outstanding payments they needed to make, but it was due to us not paying for some of those tows that they had made for us and not being reimbursed by the owners or the Police Department, do they have any chance of a discussion or reclaiming funds? Page 15 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 MR. KELTNER: That would be something above me. But if we receive the bills for services that they did and they're verified, then they would be getting paid for those. That's something. I confidently say that. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. For any tow? MR. KELTNER: Well, if it were tows that were, you know, that we were responsible for. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: For Police Department tows? MR. KELTNER: Yes, if they were tows that we were responsible for and it met those particular things. And obviously if it's a citizen's, you know, as a result of a crash, and it's a civil issue between them, it makes it tough. I mean, it's very tough for that company, but it could be a hard thing for the County, for the Police Department, as well. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, thank you. MS. POINDEXTER: I have one question. Just one, really quick. CHR. DAVID: Sure. MS. POINDEXTER: How much does the Police Department pay for the towing? MR. KELTNER: I don't know that exactly. MS. POINDEXTER: I'm sure it's more than this, and that's my reason too. Get more than one tow company in East Hawaii. Because even when the Police Department who pays a lot more, if they know that, they'll probably come on board, as well. But thank you. But Ican you email me what you guys pay for tows? MR. KELTNER: Yeah, I'll see if we can clarify. MS. POINDEXTER: Thank you. CHR. LEE LOY: Matt, have you yet yield the floor? Yeah, okay. Mr. Richards, go ahead. MR. RICHARDS: Okay, thank you. And coming back. I think we're circling around the same subject here; it comes down to the economic side. And as the towing the requirements increase, the cost of doing business increases. Do you know when these rates were set? What's the date on that law? MR. KELTNER: I don't know that. It's quite a while ago. Page 16 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 MR. RICHARDS: Okay. Well, anyway—so long story short, this is something at we've got to fix, and this is actually something I think we can fix. So I'll be working on this to start going forward. But it's going to be a State law, and we're going to have work on it, and I don't think that's going to happen this year the way things have lined up. But, Matt, thanks for bringing this forward because this is something we definitely need to fix, and we're not going to fix it unless we get after it. So thanks, Chair. I yield. CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Not seeing any more comments, I just had one question for you, Torey. During these tows, is the insurance company leveraged or having to pay a portion of the cost associated with the tows when there's an accident, or some of this Aliyah, or when there's a DUI, or whatever? Are we leveraging the tow company, I mean the insurance companies for the nuisance of it being in a public right-of-way? MR. KELTNER: I don't—okay, Madam Chair, I don't think on an Aliyah Law tow that an insurance company would be leveraged in any way. On a traffic crash, it's my understanding, I've been told this by the tow companies, the insurance company will contact them. There's negotiation if they're going to pay, how they're going to pay, and then many times they pay the owner of the vehicle that full amount for the vehicle. And then the owner supposed to go and pay the tow company for the vehicle. But if it's totaled and they're not going to get anything out of it, they don't necessarily go and pay the tow company, you know, I think often. So at least that's how it's being described. CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you for that. You know, I just don't have any other comments. But it does sound like it's a very re-engineering of not only our County contracts as it relates to tows, but also HRS. And then even Mr. Kucharski could agree, it would also be with the Department of Health as they go ahead and secure permits for housing a lot of these abandoned vehicles. So with that, I think we have a motion on the floor to close Communication 796. All those in favor,please say "aye." Vote on Comm. 796: The motion to close file on Comm. 796 was carried by Filed the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members David, Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Poindexter, Villegas, and Chair Lee Loy –7. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Chung and Richards –2. Excused: None. CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Torey. Thank you, Mr. Kucharski, for being here. Page 17 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 MR. KELTNER: Thank you. I appreciate. CHR. LEE LOY: Alright, thank you. Mr. Clerk, if you could please read Communication 799. Comm. 799: REQUESTS A DISCUSSION WITH A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS REGARDING THE ROADS IN LIMBO PROGRAM From Council Member Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, dated March 3, 2020. Motion to Close File: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder moved to close file on Comm. 799. Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz. CHR. LEE LOY: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, your communication. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you very much, Chair. CHR. LEE LOY: Okay. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Do we have anyone? I see David. David, can you come in or come up to the table? (Note: At this time, Public Works Director David Yamamoto came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you for being here, David. You know, this is another item, postponed right in the middle of March through the pandemic. But this is a very pressing concern and that's why we asked for the discussion today. Three months ago I was invited to the Aloha Estates Subdivision. I'm just giving you a little backstory. We walked a portion of the Mauna Loa Road. That's a road-in-limbo that serves hundreds of homes, but it's also one of the main roadways in and out of the subdivision. I drive a Dodge. It's a fairly big truck, and I had a hard time getting in and out of the lower portions of that road due to the three-foot ruts that were dealing with. Every time it rains it becomes impassable. And this is just one road of thousands in our County. But Puna needs some solution and help and I've been asked by the community multiple times for some help with this one. In Hawaii County, many of the roads-in-limbo, or RILs, are part of alternate routes, evac routes. Even some of the proposed connectivity routes in Puna are roads-in-limbo. So I just wanted to have this discussion with you today, and I'm looking for some good information from you and need some help kind of Page 18 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 understanding where are we the County sit with roads-in-limbo. And I know this affects other districts as well, I'm not the only with the roads-in-limbo. So how about we just start with the basic information. What is a road-in-limbo? Maybe you can help me with that. Give me a good definition of what a road-in-limbo is. MR. YAMAMOTO: From what I understand, a road-in-limbo was one of these territorial roads or government roads that were identified on maps. And the State basically and the County has been in dispute regarding the ownership of the road as well as the responsibility to maintain these roads. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. So state roads, territorial roads,paper roads, roads that existed that were handed over to the County at some point, and here we are, but they're not really part of our roadway system as a County. MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, we don't have ownership of these roads. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Do we have funds to maintain these roads? MR. YAMAMOTO: We have some funds to maintain the roads, yes. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. One of the things that caught my attention in the past two months was a large transfer out of the Road-in-Limbo Fund, which we spoke about, that went to our Workers Comp. And that bothered me because I know we have some work to be done of these on some of these roads-in-limbo. What is the current value of that fund right now? MR. YAMAMOTO: I believe we reduced it to $100,000. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That's going forward in perpetuity? MR. YAMAMOTO: No. I mean, it's MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Oh, it's this year? MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, it's this year. So we readjusted it based on past use of the fund, and that was the purpose behind that. Needing to balance the budget and stuff, we looked at where the funds were being used and needed; and where it wasn't being used and moved it to where the funds were needed. Because it wasn't being utilized to the level that we had budgeted for in past years, we reduced the budget to kind of reflect what we thought would be sufficient to continue with that program. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So how does someone use that program? Page 19 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 MR. YAMAMOTO: They can apply. They can apply for the gravel program that the County set up. They would identify the road and where they were going to place the material. A lot of times they would be required to do a survey, being that a lot of the roads meander in and out of the actual road lot that is identified. And then there's also the environmental impact part of that, where if there is a historic features, we would have to go through they would have to go—or we would have to go through the process of identifying and working with SHPD (State Historic Preservation Division). MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So you're saying that there's a contract they have to sign with the County to use the road-in-limbo program and the funds therefore. MR. YAMAMOTO: Just a Memorandum of Agreement(MOA). MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: A MOA? MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That could include, possibly, and EIS (Environmental Impact Statement)? MR. YAMAMOTO: Yes. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: And a survey? MR. YAMAMOTO: And a survey. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: This is for homeowners? MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: In our County, who live on a road-in-limbo? MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Okay, I'm going to come back to that. Who's responsibility is it to maintain these roads? MR. YAMAMOTO: The State, in passing that I don't know—Act 60, back when—gave the County authority to enforce the traffic laws and allowed it to maintain the road without ownership. But it's nowhere clear whose responsibility it is actually to maintain the road. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So you're talking about HRS 46-15.9? Page 20 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah? MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Which states, "Any provision of the law to the contrary notwithstanding, any county and its authorized personnel may repair or maintain, in whole or in part,public streets, roads, or highways whose ownership is in dispute between the State and the county." MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, correct. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So that basically to me that says we have the ability to maintain roads-in limbo. MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, they gave us permission to maintain it. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. And they get that magical word Ic may. MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yep. Okay, I'm glad you're aware of that. Now I'm just going to bring it back to Mauna Loa Road. Here we have a road-in-limbo in a private subdivision. Whose responsibility is it to maintain that road? MR. YAMAMOTO: This is aI mean, the County may go and repair the road and maintain the road. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: We may, okay. Okay, so this is the question that was posed to me; if the subdivision were to work on this private road, how does that work? Because they're digging into a road that is a state and a county responsibility, and we have a program designed to fund it, but it's in a private subdivision. So are they allowed to work on the road or are they not allowed to work on the road? MR. YAMAMOTO: We've been giving them permission to maintain the road. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So we've given them permission to work on MR. YAMAMOTO: The road. Page 21 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Our road? MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, I have some that causes me a headache. I'm just going to say that. So what I've come down to is, I've looked all this over, we had a program that was designed to help people fix roads that the County and the State don't own and are disputing,but it's incredibly prohibitive to the public to use. Surveys run thousands of dollars. They have to get the gravel and sign the MOA. The work done has to meet the specs of the road-in-limbo, typical cross-section as provided in that document. And so a resolution that created a program to help people utilize publicly-funded gravel has become so prohibitive that they can't even afford to use it, and then we defund it. And furthermore, when you have a road that's in the jurisdiction, basically of what I'm getting right now, and they're trying to use publicly funded fill to spread the material at their own cost and to meet all these requirements, I mean, are we helping or are we just creating something that is absolutely hard to use? MR. YAMAMOTO: I would agree. It's not necessary the simplest, you know, it has work and cost too, to use. But, you know, when you look at it, it's serving their subdivision, and they're a private subdivision. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So we're talking about responsibility, yeah? And again, you have a road and subdivision, can they maintain the road? Yes. Is it our responsibility? Can we maintain it? Yes. Can they dig the road up even if it's in dispute and put a culvert underneath of it? MR. YAMAMOTO: They would have to go through the process that we would go through in building a road though. I mean, there's the environmental aspect of it that would be looked at by the various agencies. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. MR. YAMAMOTO: Like any subdivision, as well. When they go through their process of building a subdivision, they go through all that process. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: And the connectivity roads that we have for Puna, many of which are roads-in-limbo, same thing applies. We could maintain it. MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, I guess. I mean, if it's a road-in-limbo. If it's actually identified as a road-in-limbo. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah. Okay, I yield for now. Page 22 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Ms. Poindexter, you have the floor. MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah, when I started looking into roads-in-limbo, I know that we had like about 150-something miles in road-in-limbo. Is that correct? MR. YAMAMOTO: There's actually 122 point something that we actually MS. POINDEXTER: Is now currently. MR. YAMAMOTO: That we actually cataloged and identified as MS. POINDEXTER: Because I know in my district we took care of kind of like two of them through the roads-in-limbo program, where the community came together and the County gives all the material, and they take care of all labor and all of the necessary legwork through a contract. The MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) with the County, correct? MR. YAMAMOTO: Correct. MS. POINDEXTER: Okay. So out of that now, if you cataloged it at 122, it is still the understanding that District 1 has more than 50 percent of those roads-in-limbo? MR. YAMAMOTO: I'm not sure of the breakdown, but Hamakua district has a lot. MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah. Because before this administration, I know that I had more than 50 percent of roads-in-limbo in my district alone. And, you know, I sympathize with all of the communities, but I'm going to tell youI hate to say just work on Puna because my district has been before my time, I think it was Councilman Yagong who brought the resolution for roads-in-limbo forward that put that program in place. That's how long ago. So you know, this is aat some point, we've got to address it. And whether it's from the standpoint from Planning—because we keep approving homes to built in certain places, and then the people come back after and say, "You know what, we no more one good road." "Well, you knew was one road-in-limbo, and we no more money," right? So I don't know what needs to happen, but something needs to give. Either we're not going to allow approval; or if people come in, then they've give so much into the road improvements. I don't know what needs to happen, but we've got to start talking about it because every year we beg for places to be paved. I was very fortunate that two of the communities were able to come together to make it happen. You know, so I'm thankful for that road-in-limbo program that is currently in place, because it worked for two areas so far. But I'm going to tell you, it's not easy. Page 23 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 MR. YAMAMOTO: I agree. MS. POINDEXTER: It is totally not easy. You need to have engineers. You need to have you know, so I always tell people, "You want to work on a road-in- limbo, call John Cross." Sorry, John Cross. I giving your name, and you're going to be bombarded with calls. But he was very successful in putting a letter forward, and what needed to be done, and who they got in as a community. And then the County went and got, you know—so John Cross is the brainchild behind getting a project through on a road-in-limbo. So God bless you, John Cross, from here on. Okay, thank you. I yield at this time. Thank you, Chair. CHR. LEE LOY: And his number, Ms. Poindexter? Never mind. Before going to Mr. Richards, anyone in Kona? Just checking in. MS. EOFF: No. Thank you. CHR. LEE LOY: Alright. Mr. Richards, you have the floor. MR. RICHARDS: Val, I've got John's number. No, no, no. But to the point, I think Chair Chung had introduced a suggestion or recommendation. It's going to come down to the funding to deal with the roads-in-limbo. And we even have roads that are in limbo that are not roads-in-limbo, because they're not even categorized as roads-in-limbo. So empathize in this conversation. But it's going to come back to the funding. And I think no, these are roads that aren't old government roads. No, they're there. They're not paper. They're there. But everybody goes—shrugs their shoulders. To the point though, it's a funding thing. And, David, I empathize with you. And, Val, I empathize with you, because my district we have choke roads-in-limbo and roads that are status unknown. We're trying to sort through them. But again, it comes back to the funding. So I appreciate the conversation. But I think Chair Chung was trying to make a direction to get things handled. If there's a way we could get some of the GE(General Excise) funds, then we could you know, a very small percentage, and start working on some of these roads. And I think that's the direction we're going to have to go if we're going to actually solve this. Chair, I yield. CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Anyone else? Alright, seeing none, thank you, Mr. Yamamoto for being here today. I think there's still a lot of work ahead. Oh, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder? Sure. Go ahead. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: David, I'm sorry. I've got to follow up on this. The community asked me. They want to know what they can do. And it comes down to, really, you've got interesting jurisdiction. You have a road that Page 24 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 services everyone in the subdivision; it's a road-in-limbo. We as a County may maintain that road. They may use the fill program, if they can meet the requirements; and if they can afford it, that's a big issue. We've helped them in the past. What they're coming up to now is, the flooding concerns that we're seeing are causing incredible road degradation, leading to them needing to fix it in a very—in a more in-depth manner. They've got to dig up the road and put a culvert in and move culverts. But given all that, what do they do? MR. YAMAMOTO: Just putting in a culvert, though, there's the issue of changing the way the natural water course is, the natural flow of the water. That's one of the flood issues that is prohibited. You cannot alter the way the water flows. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah. MR. YAMAMOTO: And the way you would have to somehow take care of it, where it doesn't contribute to any detriment downstream from where it's being diverted and lower. So it's not an easy task that isI mean, you have to kind of solve a flood issue from the bottom up rather than the top down, or not you're going to just keep moving the problem further down, and further down it goes, the bigger the problem gets. What the community can do is demand bigger government or more you know, put forth more money toward having these programs be improved. I mean, that's basically where it falls, is there's not enough money to improve the program. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah. I would say yes, but I know they've been asking for 20 years. And so saying now they need to increase the budget when we just cut it, for our own reasons, you know. MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, the budget's been cut since 2009. Either status quo orwas cut. So instead of getting bigger and having to improve the programs we have, we've had to try and do the same with less, yeah? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: But you're also saying that we don't spend down the money in the account. MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah. We put it toward areas that we do have a need, you know, to maintain. I mean, as you can see some of County roads look like roads in-limbo and that's because of the shortage of funds. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, then I'll leave you with the impression that this area cannot utilize the roads, and these older ladies driving little Subarus, getting out of their houses, and you're coming down to a point where the community is in despair. Ad they have asked me multiple times, and I'm just Page 25 PWMTC-22 June 16,2020 going to leave it right here with you, okay. And my emails, going forward I'll direct them to you, and you can take it from there. MR. YAMAMOTO: Okay. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah, thank you. CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, David, for being here. Looks like you guys are going to talk story. So with that, we have a motion on the floor to close file on Communication 799. All those in favor,please say "aye." Vote on Comm. 799: The motion to close file on Comm. 799 was carried by Filed the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Lee Loy —9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. ORDER OF The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, RESOLUTIONS: Order of Resolutions. (There were none.) BILLS FOR The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, ORDINANCES: Bills for Ordinances. CHR. LEE LOY: That brings us to the end of the agenda. Is that correct, Mr. Clerk? Motion to adjourn,please. ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 2:17 p.m., Ms. Poindexter moved to adjourn the MENT: meeting. Seconded by Mr. Richards and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Lee Loy —9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. Page 26