HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN PWMTC 2020/06/16 2018-2020 Committee on Public Works and Mass Transit
22nd Session
Hawaii County Building
25 Aupuni Street
Hilo, Hawaii
June 16, 2020
CALL TO The regular meeting of the Committee on Public Works and Mass Transit
ORDER: was called to order at 11:30 a.m. in the Council Chambers, Hilo, Hawaii, by
Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Chair.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Chair
Mr. Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Vice Chair(came in later)
Mr. Aaron S. Y. Chung, Member
Ms. Maile Medeiros David, Member (via videoconference from Kona)
Ms. Karen Eoff, Member (via videoconference from Kona)
Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member(came in later)
Ms. Valerie T. Poindexter, Member
Mr. Herbert M. "Tim" Richards, III, Member
Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member (via videoconference from Kona)
CHR. LEE LOY: Just want to level-set a little bit and set some of the expectations.
We are running a little behind, so what I'd like to do is go ahead and move into
public testimony, take the public testimony for the items on this agenda, and
then recess so that we can move into our government affairs committee, and then
pick this back up. So with that, I'd like to get our Statements from the Public.
Mr. Clerk,please.
STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items.
PUBLIC ON
AGENDA ITEMS: The following individuals registered to speak and came forward when called
by the Chair:
Hannah L. Hedrick: Comm. 799, comment.
Olivia Filoteo Kekipi: Comm. 796, comment.
(representing Ryan K. Towing
Services)
CHR. LEE LOY: So with that, I'm going to be closing public testimony and placing the
Committee on Public Works and Mass Transit in recess until after our government affairs
committee. Thank you.
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Recess: At 11:37 a.m., the Chair called for a recess.
Reconvene: The Chair reconvened the meeting at 1:14 p.m.
CHR. LEE LOY: Alright, thank you. I'd like to the Committee on Public
Works and Mass Transit out of recess. And with that, Mr. Clerk, if you could
please
What I would like to start with is actually an apology. We had an individual,
Mr. Robert Barfield who came earlier to testify on Communication 799, and
unfortunately his name was placed in another pile. And so if I could have my
staff either reach out to him, I would really like to get some feedback from him.
He did make the time to come and testify, and unfortunately with some human
error and some juggling, his name ended up in a different pile. So, we apologize.
But please, if my staff could reach out to him and get his thoughts on
Communication 799.
But with that, Mr. Clerk, if you could please read in Communication 796.
COMMUNI- The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
CATIONS: Communications.
Comm. 796: REQUESTS A DISCUSSION WITH THE ADMINISTRATION REGARDING
PAYMENT PRACTICES FOR COUNTY CONTRACTED VEHICLE TOWING
SERVICES
From Council Members Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder and Susan L. K. Lee Loy,
dated March 2, 2020.
Postponed: March 10, 2020
(Note: There is a motion by Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, seconded by Mr. Richards,
to close file on Comm. 796.)
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, I know you
had a number of individuals to come and attend the meeting. I think we have
someone here from Police Department along with DEM (Department of
Environmental Management). So if you could go ahead and start our discussion.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Chair. Yeah, I think, the
community as a whole had some concerns given what we saw in Maku`u, from
recent events. And then both Council Member Lee Loy and I had some discussion
and a follow-up with different members of the community.
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Do you want to come forward? We talked to DEM, Environmental Management,
last time if I remember correctly. Is that right? And then, Torey, we had some
questions for you, as well. Bill, you might as well come up, sit down. So we have
all of you at one table. It's good. Everyone on one table, and we have one
discussion.
(Note: At this time, Traffic Service Program Manager Torey Keltner and
Environmental Management Director Bill Kucharski came forward to
address the members of the Committee.)
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you for being here today. So I'll just
cut right to the heart of it. When we talk about towing concerns in the County of
Hawai`i, we're really talking about two different agencies. That's what I've come
to understand: Environmental Management and the Police Department, for towing
private vehicles to different circumstances. Environmental Management handles
contracting services for abandon vehicles, and the Police Department handles
contract services for police tows. Am I correct so far? Yes? Okay, I'm getting
nods yes, Okay.
There is some overlap, those I've come to understand, in some certain areas. The
main concern was a police tow that's called in as an abandoned vehicle when it's a
hazard. At that point, you have an abandoned vehicle that's actually being towed,
given the Police Department's direction, by a private tow company. Am I correct
with that assumption?
MR. KELTNER: That's correct.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. So that's where I'm going to kind of
take this conversation right now. So how many towing companies provide
services for the Police Department?
MR. KELTNER: Currently three.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Three departments. Can you share that
information or is that—?
MR. KELTNER: Share the names of the company?
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yes.
MR. KELTNER: Yeah, it's Cartow Kohala, Tow Guys, and Ken's Towing.
CHR. LEE LOY: Torey, if I could interrupt for a minute, could you just identify
yourself for the record?
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MR. KELTNER: Sure. My name is Torey Keltner. I am the Program Manager
for Traffic Services with the Hawaii Police Department.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, so we have three providers that do
towing services for the Police Department. And what are the requirements for
contract for the towing companies?
MR. KELTNER: Well, it's defined as a service agreement as opposed to a
contract, is my understanding. It's you know, there are a lot of requirements.
The citizen that actually provided a statement earlier kind of hit on that. There are
a lot of requirements for them to actually be on there, which means that their
locations have to be inspected, meet standards that we have that have been set in
place for a long time through the Department of Health. And so we they have to
have a certain number of vehicles that are capable, and they have to be licensed.
They have to have a tow behind and a flatbed carrier. That size of the lot that they
are able to tow them to has to be, you know, of a certain size to do that. There are
many limitations to make it hard to actually bring the tow companies on to the
service itself. That's why we run into problems.
We currently have—we have three, I believe it's two or three, that are in the
process of getting on the towing service agreement in Kona area, because we don't
have anybody over there currently, which poses a problem.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. What qualifies as a police tow? What
is called qualifiers? When is the police called, and a vehicle to be towed?
MR. KELTNER: Well, predominately when a tow occurs when the police are
involved is when there's a traffic crash, then the officers at the scene will contact
the people involved and ask them if they have a preference of a tow. You know,
many times they say they don't know or they don't have a particular tow that they
do. So we contact one of those three that are on that tow service and it's on a
rotational basis that whoever is, you know, up or next in their particular
geographical area, which they are separated by pretty big distances, then they will
be called. And they'll respond and then they'll tow the vehicles from that area to
typically their tow-yard. And that's what the vast majority of what police-involved
tows are. So a citizen then is ultimately responsible for the vehicle, you know, at
that point.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: An Aliyah Law violation, would that be tow
for the Police Department?
MR. KELTNER: Yeah, an Aliyah Law tow is another side of it, but that is in
relation to the Aliya Law tow was created to address particularly DUI(Driving
Under the Influence) offenses. The way it is written, it does you know, if a
vehicle is being operated doesn't have a licensed driver, doesn't have a valid
registration and those kind of things, they can be towed for that, as well. In the
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documents that I have, it said that—so the vehicle then would be towed. Sorry, it
would be towed to the lot of one of the three in the rotation that are called, and
they're stored there. The idea was to prohibit an intoxicated driver from being able
to immediately take their vehicle and then drive again. You know, unfortunately
the case that it's entitled from was that. So then the responsibility would then fall
to the tow company, in a fee to the registered owner of the vehicle. The
documents that I have that are from the County Council, and that says it, the
County ultimately is not responsible for the expense of those tows and the Police
Department is not responsible for the expense of those tows.
What we found when I came in to this position, and I found that there were many
of those that were in the tow-yards of the tow companies that were on the service,
and it was prohibiting them from doing additional tows because over time, you
know, we had filled up yards with that. So I had an idea like, you know, ran it
through the chain of command.
We approached the Department of Environmental Management, Mr. Kucharski,
and asked if they would be able and willing to help if we were able to get the tow
companies to remove the vehicles that were under Aliyah's Law tow, if they would
tow them to the disposal. And if the Department of Environmental Management
could pay for just the disposal, and then they wouldn't then be charged for the
towing, you know, to-from storage and those things. And ultimately, it is a way to
clean up the community, so we could get the other tows, the abandoned vehicles
that are out there, have the opportunity to do that. And that was presented as those
companies that are currently on the "no-preference"tow rotation. Those were the
companies that we had offered to do that, so that we could have their service. So
we can ask them to come and help, and we would do what we could to help clean
up the areas that they had.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: And what happened to that idea? Or did it go
towards that?
MR. KELTNER: It's currently functioning. It's somewhere around, I think
probably 180 cars, I think, is about that number. I apologize, I don't have the
exact number for that. But it's somewhere around there, that we've actually
disposed of. We started with Ken's Towing in particular, because they had the
largest numbers, they have the largest amount. That's how many that, you know,
with the three parts of it that worked together, to get them out of there, which has
led to the ability to get more vehicles taken care of.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That is good becauseI mean, kind of what
you're talking about is what we love and we call "Puna Cars,"which are cars with
no registration, no safety check, and they get pulled over. And they're not come
back for that car.
MR. KELTERNER: Right.
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MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Once the lose it, they're not coming back. If
it's abandoned, they're not coming back for it.
MR. KELTNER: Yeah, and that was part of the problem we had, is seeing that,
you know, these cars would end up in one place and then they show up again, you
know, abandoned or reported in another place. Council Woman Kierkiewicz and I
talked several times about it. Because I presented this quite a long time ago, you
know, "Hey, I see a problem and here's some ideas of how we're going to go and
address that." So as it moved forward, we've gotten better at dealing with that.
And numbers wise, I think we're in the significantly better place than we have
been.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Because what I saw was, after the
towing company takes the vehicle, they're responsible to cover the cost of the tow.
MR. KELTNER: For the Aliyah's Law?
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah, well, to anything that they tow, from
the Police Department. That's what I understood. Is that correct?
MR. KELTNER: Well, it's the citizen is responsible. If it's—say it's at a crash,
the citizen is the one who's responsible for doing that. So what then happens is, if
the car is totaled, the citizen many times
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Don't comeback.
MR. KELTNER: They don't. And so they get stuck with this.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So for the towing company, still out for the
cost of the tow unless they can collect it from the citizen?
MR. KELTNER: Right.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yes.
MR. KELTNER: And the reality of a big part of this is that the cost that it is to
dispose of a car greatly outweighs the expense for the metal to recycle it. When
these things were set up previously, I think it was the other way around. I think
you actually could you could recoup, you know, financially. A citizen could
recoup money enough to pay for the disposal of a vehicle just by the salvage or
whatever it's called, the recycling of the vehicle, and it doesn't work like that
anymore. It's expensive.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I agree, yeah. That's the feedback that I was
getting. That was my concern.
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Another issue I wanted to touch on. When it's called in, what are we classifying
that vehicle as? I've come to understand that the classification of the vehicle
makes a difference on the backend for the towing companies and for us, as well.
MR. KELTNER: I don't understand what you mean.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So when the police come upon a vehicle
that's not being considered an abandon vehicle but is posing a hazard and it's in a
roadway, and you're calling that in to have it removed by a towing company
regardless of the vehicle's appearance, does it have it wheels, is it functional,just
regardless of what's going on, how is it being classified?
MR. KELTNER: I think it's dependent on the particular case. If it's a hazard, I
mean, it's impeding the traffic way and potentially could cause a traffic crash, then
it would be a traffic hazard. That's the way it should be identified. If it's not
immediately in the traffic way but within the—what is it called?
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: The right-of-way.
MR. KELTNER: The right-of way, sorry. When it's in the right-of-way, then we
would define it as an abandoned vehicle, if that's the case. So to deal with a traffic
hazard, they are to be towed as soon as possible, because that's the situation. It
needs to be towed and removed from the area.
So some of the things that I've been doing with that, and to try find those cases
when they come through and if it is a traffic hazard, then you know, then we do
receive bills submitted by the tow companies through our Finance office. And
those things they come through, and they'll ask me, "Is this appropriate? Is this
how?" And yeah, we'll go through and approve them. We see the bills; if it
matches with what it is supposed to be as a traffic hazard, then yes, that's what
we'll do.
You know, at timesI think in the past, there have been confusions on that, how
they've been titled, and they'll sit as an abandoned vehicle and then towed. I've
gone through and sought out like any of them I can find that are Aliyah Law tows
and made the request to—if we can get those, get those removed and get them to
help the tow companies to help the County keep things cleaned up and more safe.
I think we're you know, that's the ways that I found that I can best serve the
community with that.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Yeah, what Imy concern is towing
companies tow a vehicle and they're out the cost, and the County says, "It's your
responsibility to collect from the owner." At that point we've created an issue and
we're not helping. Because by removing that vehicle, they're taking care of a
public safety hazard. I mean, so if we're not helping them those public safety
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hazards, then we're not doing our job. Because we have to take care of the people
who are helping us take care of the problems.
MR. KELTNER: Right. And one of things that came up in one of the Council
meetings that I sat and attended, I heard someone talk about that they had a large
number of those that hadn't been paid for. But I haven't received any bills or
haven't seen them. When I went to talk to Finance about it, they hadn't received
any bills or anything for those particular vehicles. It's not something that the
department would,just outwardly just the pay the bill when it came. We would do
the research and make sure it was appropriate. Because we found even in the
research with some that I found, they'll say it's the tow company will say it's one
thing, and in reality, you know, they were mistaken or somewhere in there was
wrong.
But there's a you know, we've helped a lot of them. If we get the information on
the vehicles, if they're saying that that's the case, we can do the research and find
out what it is, where it's at. But I haven't received anything.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. I think the other side, too, is
accountability. Because right now there's no accountability for an owner of a
vehicle, and for the accountability to be laid in the hands of the towing company,
again we're back to the same problem. Whereas, if your car shows up somewhere
and it's registered to you, and you can't get your license or you can't register your
next vehicle because your other vehicle was found in the middle of a right-of-way
in Puna somewhere, which we find again and again, then now there's
accountability at the County level versus accountability at the towing company
level. That's where I see some ability for us to help.
MR. KELTNER: It may not be appropriate for me to even say, but we've got to
make sure that the person that left vehicle there was the person that was on the
registration, as well. Because I've seen that where, you know, we run it down and
find out that, well, it wasn't that person that—they sold the vehicle. It wasn't
properly documented in the transition or the transaction of that. So there are some
other pieces that should be clarified and how that's done, too.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I agree, but there has to be accountability
somewhere down the line.
MR. KELTNER: Yes, I agree.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: If not, then it's just an open—we have the
same problem again, again, and again. So going back to that root, where is it
coming from? Someone had to move that vehicle to someone else for it to become
a problem for us or the towing companies. So I'm trying to find that root. To me,
there seem to be a root of this issue. Okay, thank you. I yield.
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CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Ms. Poindexter, go
ahead.
MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah. Okay, so you you know, at one point I heard you
say that there's a rotation of tows that the police officers call. In the beginning,
you said only Ken's Towing, Tow Guys, and another one from Kohala. Okay, so I
know that we have a lot of, on the east side of the island, a lot of things going on
with the towing, and then Kona doesn't have.
You know, how do you guys award these contracts? Why only one? I mean, you
haveI can pull up a lot of towing companies in Kea`au and all over. Why are
we—it's a monopoly, that just Ken's Towing gets it. I've heard a lot of
complaints. And then when he needs to get rid of cars because things are getting
to full, then you guys come up with one program to help him out, to get the cars
taken care of, to free it up.
So a lot of the public has a bad taste in their mouths because of how things are
going on and what it looks like. Whether—it's not being done on purpose, but it's
a perception that here you have this monopoly going on, Because I've heard it
even from someone on the inside saying, "We are told only to call Ken's Towing,"
okay. So then, the next—then you're saying, "We do a rotation,"but that's only
aI mean, this is such a monopoly . Tell me how can the others have
MR. KELTNER: If I could? Sorry.
MS. POINDEXTER: Okay, go ahead.
MR. KELTNER: There's not a monopoly. If you have names of companies and
people that are interested, please give them my direct number, and I'll get the
paperwork to them. We want more people involved.
MS. POINDEXTER: Okay.
MR. KELTNER: And the tow companies even want more people involved.
MS. POINDEXTER: Okay, that's great. Okay.
MR. KELTNER: You know, as I had said, it's not an easy thing. They have to
meet certain standards and do that.
MS. POINDEXTER: Right.
MR. KELTNER: And there's a lot of paperwork to go through. You know, they
have—all the drivers have to be in good standing. There's all kinds of stuff that
has to be there. If we could have—one of my goals was to have 20 on there.
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MS. POINDEXTER: Right.
MR. KELTNER: If we could have 20 towing companies on there, so that
everybody was there, then we would end up with some of the issues we have.
MS. POINDEXTER: Right.
MR. KELTNER: The rotational
MS. POINDEXTER: Because you guys, with doing that, you put Ken's Towing in
a bit of a predicament, as well. Because you know that in 2015, the Department of
Health was after them because of a place that they have had that they shouldn't
have had, where they were bringing cars and stuff. So when you talk about
background checks and doing all that kind stuff—and he still doing all the towing.
So either we've got to look at what the criteria is so that we can get more people
involved with this and not just monopolize the whole towing business, where only
one gets, you know, on the eastside has everything and then Kona has nothing. So
if you're struggling with that, then we we've got start relooking at the criteria so
that we can bring in more tow companies.
MR. KELTNER: That's a very good idea.
MS. POINDEXTER: Thank you. So I think that's—yeah, that's all I had,
because I'm yeah, it's—we've got to do better. And when we talk about
rebuilding the economy and stuff, we've got to start talking about businesses.
It's all small—some of them are small businesses. We just got through talking
about how to revitalize our economy and stuff, and government doesn't do a good
job of that as far as making it available to everyone fairly. So anyway, thank you.
Thank you for allowing me. Thank you, Madam Chair. I yield.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Ms. Poindexter. Before I go to Mr. Richards, I'm
going to check in at Kona. Anyone in Kona?
MS. DAVID: Thank you, Chair. This is Maile. I just had one question. I'm sure
one.
CHR. LEE LOY: Go ahead, Ms. David.
MS. DAVID: Thank you very much. And mahalo for being here. My question is,
on the Kona side you said there were no vendors,just three. Or are there—is there
one vendor in Kona?
MR. KELTNER: No, currently we don't have a vendor that's in Kona itself.
Cartow Kohala and Tow Guys are the ones that are—that travel there to conduct
the tows.
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MS. DAVID: Okay. And then my next question is, because when cars from Kona
due to an accident gets towed to one of these facilities, who establishes the rates on
how much it costs for them to retrieve it, because they would have to travel outside
of Kona to even get their car. So do we have any involvement in the cost of
retrieving, or the fee for retrieving, a car towed from Kona say to Kohala?
MR. KELTNER: Well, we can't have involvement in that. The service agreement
that the Police Department has with them says that we are not involved in setting
the rates that they have, and those rates are set by State law, which is something
that I had talked Councilman Richards about previously. So there are some issues
with that.
MS. DAVID: Exactly. Because I think I haveI was contacted a few days ago,
and coincidentally this was on the agenda, of someone having to go to retrieve the
car that was towed outside of their district of Kona and was told of an outrageous
fee that he had to pay to retrieve his vehicle, and also was not allowed to retrieve
any of his personal items from the truck or car; for example, his house keys,
et cetera.
So my question is, as you—food for thought, it is a real—given the situation we're
in, if this is what's happening to people that have their cars towed from the Kona
area because we don't have a vendor here, that's a real big disservice to the people
that have to retrieve their car and pay a large amount of money to do so because of
the location of the vendor, so just food for thought. I will be contacting you to get
a little bit more information. But thanks for your input today and educating us in
this matter. Thank you, Matt. Mahalo. Thank you, Chair.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Ms. David. Anyone else in Kona? With that,
Mr. Richards, you have the floor.
MR. RICHARDS: Thank you, Chair. Okay, I'm going to do this, too. Matt, this
is a great thing to come forward right now. And there's a communication that the
Council will be receiving again, I believe again, anyway it's a letter dated
March 22nd and it pertains to this exactly.
To your point, Val, one of the problems we have is it's not that it's not available
for car tow companies, as I understand it's because they don't want to do it
because the financial side is not there; and so that's something that we have to look
at. And it has been pointed out from financial side, the towing is dictated by a
State law, so realistically we have a State law that we have to go work on to make
this thing work forward. And this highlights the problem, I completely agree with
you that the problem with small businesses, and we have to support those small
businesses going forward.
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In the letter you'll be getting, it's coming forth as a communication (see
Comm. 796.1). It's an attachment, so the Council will all be getting it. We're not
going to solve this today. This came outright when the COVID-19 thing was
hitting, and so all the brakes were hit.
But coming back around to the point, of when they're towing in Kona—and,
Maile, this in part goes to you, I know what happens since there's no vendor in
Kona, they'll call people from Waimea area. And the way as I understand, the
charge they can run, they don't get to charge for their travel time, they only get to
charge for the actual towing time, and if they're only towing it from point A to
point B in Kona, there's a lot of expense that they have to eat until they get for
getting down there. To the point, and that's where I'm at, this is something that
you just pointed out, that the towing company has to wait until the owner of the
vehicle pays for the tow. And if they abandon it like the conversation that we've
just have, they never reap that financial return. And so once again, we're not
supporting them.
Also, as we've evolved, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, you towed a car. Big deal.
Now when we're cleaning up accidents, we have hazardous materials on the
ground. There are certifications, and has been pointed out, there are a lot more
certification and expectation of the vendors that are approved going forward to
have those capabilities and certification, yet our State law is not keeping up with
that and affording the ability to do all that. So once again, it comes back to, I think
we as a County the system I think is broken—and I think we as a County have to
advocate for a change in the State law which will then support these companies
going forward. And once we get where it's a reasonable return, then I think we're
going to see a lot more people willing to step up and do that.
And I know the rotation. If we have only have three companies on the island, this
is a big island. If Hilo guys don't want to do it and you have call down in Ka`u,
they're going to send someone from Kohala to go down to Ka`u? I think that's the
only alternative at this point. So that is in and of itself a problem.
Val, you pointed out the small business side. You know, we have aI know the
Cartow Kohala. These are constituents of mine. We've had long visits on this.
They've been working very diligently on doing the right thing and investing in the
little companies going forward. And this is something I brought up when we were
discussing budget, talking about the tow truck for the busses. We have little
companies with the equipment, and it's far cheaper to hire them to haul tow our
busses than it is to invest in doing that. So from a fiscal management standpoint,
it's far better for us to support these little businesses. But we have to start at the
foundation first, which is going back and looking at what it costs these companies
and supporting the legislation that allows them to be compensated that is just.
Now when it comes to taking care of the tows that—you know, we don't want the
County stuck with the bill, but we also don't want to stick these little companies
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with the bill either. So when they're cleaning up an accident site or whatever the
case may be, we have to do better. And I agree with you, Val, on that one. We've
got to re-engineer this thing because it's not working, and the reason we don't have
the companies is because it's not working. They don't want to extend themselves.
I have discussed this with the Cartow people, and they continue to do it, though
that's—it's a money loser for them to do it. They do it more as a service than
anything else. But the time is running short, because they don't want to do it
anymore unless we can fix this. So we as a Council have to work with the Police
and Environmental Management to figure this out, so that it actually makes sense
for these little businesses to float and go forward.
No, I see this communication came forward(Comm. 796.1). You can read down
there in the example of what the point is and what the actual cost is. So I
appreciate having this conversation right now because that actually is the first step
to getting this fixed. Like I said, it came forward back in March, then we know
what's happened for the last couple of months.
So Chair, with that I'm going to yield. But I think we have to look at all of our
towing. And again, like I was talking about Mass Transit, the financial cost does
not justify the County doing that. We can support these little businesses to get that
done.
With that, I'm going to yield. But thanks, Matt, for highlighting this. This
highlights it exactly. And we need to fix it because these companies can't fix it on
their own. We have to advocate for State law change; change the rate that they're
being compensated. And a lot of stuff, you know, Honolulu, out of their district,
were talking two or three minutes, out of district on Big Island is hours, and so big
difference. Chair, I yield.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Richards, for really summarizing the issue.
Ms. Poindexter, go ahead.
MS. POINDEXTER: Thank you, Chair. Just one more thing. Yeah, so what he
said, usually if it's out of your district, you go miles. That's why it's important to
have all these small towing companies who are right in reach. You know, you can
have one in Ka`u, and their mileage is not far because they're not going to drive to
Hilo to get a car, right? They'll take care of your Ka`u stuff. Right in Kailua-
Kona you have—and I know the rates here are pretty low; $80 hook-up after hours,
plus $7.50 per towed mile. But if you have in each of those small rural areas or
even in the cities, and throughout the rural, it will be okay for now. We've just got
to work outside that box that we've been working in, because we've only given it
to these towing companies.
These towing companies make money, too. I had an experience with one of them
that made good money. With a brand-new engine and we couldn't get the car back
because they claimed that they had it trashed. You know, so I have some
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experiences, too, that I know those towing companies make monies from towing
stuff. And like Council Member Maile David was saying, they couldn't get their
car back because they couldn't afford to pay that money, you know, but with
insurance or whatever later down the line. But sometimes those towing companies
will give you a very, very difficult time. I'm just saying that. That's why we need
to spread this business around, and I know it can be done, even at these rates, if we
have them all located in those communities.
I just want to ask you to continue to work with other towing companies, as well.
And I'll reach out to some of the towing companies that I know and see what they
say, as well. So thank you.
MR. KELTNER: Council Woman Poindexter?
MS. POINDEXTER: Sure.
MR. KELTNER: I appreciate that. And truly, if there are businesses that are
interested in doing this, I mean, I will gladly do what I can to get them involved.
MS. POINDEXTER: Right.
MR. KELTNER: I mean, we're seeking them out.
MS. POINDEXTER: Right. Because a lot of times this is good on their business
stuff. It's things they can write off, too. We don't know, until we start asking
them, yeah? What are the benefits on that side of it?
MR. KELTNER: Just addressing it, I drove to Ka`u one instance to talk to
John Masters down there because he asked about that. So I went down and talked
to him and got him paperwork and what he needed to do. I don't know that he can
meet all the requirements in that.
MS. POINDEXTER: Is part of the requirement having to drive to Hilo to do a
tow?
MR. KELTNER: No, it wouldn't be because it's defined by a geographic area.
MS. POINDEXTER: Okay. So is geographic area, was it a large geographic area
or was it a smaller geographic area?
MR. KELTNER: Well, it would be the Ka`u area,yeah.
MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah, so—and you may want to look at that, too. You may
want to cut down geographic areas so that people will want to do it. I don't know.
I'll go look at what you're looking at. I don't think I want to waste more time here
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doing it. But I definitely want to look at it because I think we need to work on our
situation in the County.
MR. KELTNER: Yeah, and I'm sure that it's identified in here. But the statute,
particularly that is that I look at for the finances of it, is actually Hawaii Revised
Statute 290-11, that's what I've been referenced to. And the fees are they're
minimal. I mean, it's aif I could read it really quickly, it's just"charge not more
than $65 for a tow or $75 for a tow using a dolly, plus mileage charge at$7.50 and
$25 per day." You know, we obviously there's two sides, and we want make
sure that the citizens are capable of being able to pay to have the vehicles towed,
but we've got to make sure that the small businesses are capable of providing the
service, and somewhere there's the balance.
MS. POINDEXTER: Right. And then there's the—after hours is a little bit more?
MR. KELTNER: Yeah. Yeah, it goes on, and say a bit more. Yes, ma'am.
MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah, okay.
MR. KELTNER: But yes.
MS. POINDEXTER: I yield, Madam Chair.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Ms. Poindexter. Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, you
have the floor.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Just a follow-up question. Sounds like we
had businesses before that were working with the Police Department to tow, but
due to financial the concerns or too many vehicles, they've dropped out of using
the program or they're not a vendor for us anymore, is that correct?
MR. KELTNER: Some of the biggest issues that I've seen is they're not
HCE (Hawai`i Compliance Express) compliant, so they don't meet like the
taxes and because they have to you know, and if that falls out, then they
obviously can't be or can't participate in that, and that's where we've had them.
I'm running it up against that right now with one that would be great to bring on,
but we've got to get them to where they need to be.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: If one of those companies was, you know,
heavily in debt or had outstanding payments they needed to make, but it was due to
us not paying for some of those tows that they had made for us and not being
reimbursed by the owners or the Police Department, do they have any chance of a
discussion or reclaiming funds?
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MR. KELTNER: That would be something above me. But if we receive the bills
for services that they did and they're verified, then they would be getting paid for
those. That's something. I confidently say that.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. For any tow?
MR. KELTNER: Well, if it were tows that were, you know, that we were
responsible for.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: For Police Department tows?
MR. KELTNER: Yes, if they were tows that we were responsible for and it met
those particular things. And obviously if it's a citizen's, you know, as a result of a
crash, and it's a civil issue between them, it makes it tough. I mean, it's very
tough for that company, but it could be a hard thing for the County, for the Police
Department, as well.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, thank you.
MS. POINDEXTER: I have one question. Just one, really quick.
CHR. DAVID: Sure.
MS. POINDEXTER: How much does the Police Department pay for the towing?
MR. KELTNER: I don't know that exactly.
MS. POINDEXTER: I'm sure it's more than this, and that's my reason too. Get
more than one tow company in East Hawaii. Because even when the Police
Department who pays a lot more, if they know that, they'll probably come on
board, as well. But thank you. But Ican you email me what you guys pay for
tows?
MR. KELTNER: Yeah, I'll see if we can clarify.
MS. POINDEXTER: Thank you.
CHR. LEE LOY: Matt, have you yet yield the floor? Yeah, okay. Mr. Richards,
go ahead.
MR. RICHARDS: Okay, thank you. And coming back. I think we're circling
around the same subject here; it comes down to the economic side. And as the
towing the requirements increase, the cost of doing business increases. Do you
know when these rates were set? What's the date on that law?
MR. KELTNER: I don't know that. It's quite a while ago.
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MR. RICHARDS: Okay. Well, anyway—so long story short, this is something at
we've got to fix, and this is actually something I think we can fix. So I'll be
working on this to start going forward. But it's going to be a State law, and we're
going to have work on it, and I don't think that's going to happen this year the way
things have lined up. But, Matt, thanks for bringing this forward because this is
something we definitely need to fix, and we're not going to fix it unless we get
after it. So thanks, Chair. I yield.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Not seeing any more comments, I
just had one question for you, Torey. During these tows, is the insurance company
leveraged or having to pay a portion of the cost associated with the tows when
there's an accident, or some of this Aliyah, or when there's a DUI, or whatever?
Are we leveraging the tow company, I mean the insurance companies for the
nuisance of it being in a public right-of-way?
MR. KELTNER: I don't—okay, Madam Chair, I don't think on an Aliyah Law
tow that an insurance company would be leveraged in any way. On a traffic crash,
it's my understanding, I've been told this by the tow companies, the insurance
company will contact them. There's negotiation if they're going to pay, how
they're going to pay, and then many times they pay the owner of the vehicle that
full amount for the vehicle. And then the owner supposed to go and pay the tow
company for the vehicle. But if it's totaled and they're not going to get anything
out of it, they don't necessarily go and pay the tow company, you know, I think
often. So at least that's how it's being described.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you for that. You know, I just don't have any other
comments. But it does sound like it's a very re-engineering of not only our County
contracts as it relates to tows, but also HRS. And then even Mr. Kucharski could
agree, it would also be with the Department of Health as they go ahead and secure
permits for housing a lot of these abandoned vehicles.
So with that, I think we have a motion on the floor to close Communication 796.
All those in favor,please say "aye."
Vote on Comm. 796: The motion to close file on Comm. 796 was carried by
Filed the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members David, Eoff,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Poindexter,
Villegas, and Chair Lee Loy –7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Members Chung and Richards –2.
Excused: None.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Torey. Thank you, Mr. Kucharski, for being here.
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MR. KELTNER: Thank you. I appreciate.
CHR. LEE LOY: Alright, thank you. Mr. Clerk, if you could please read
Communication 799.
Comm. 799: REQUESTS A DISCUSSION WITH A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS REGARDING THE ROADS IN LIMBO
PROGRAM
From Council Member Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, dated March 3, 2020.
Motion to Close File: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder moved to close file on
Comm. 799. Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz.
CHR. LEE LOY: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, your communication.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you very much, Chair.
CHR. LEE LOY: Okay.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Do we have anyone? I see David. David,
can you come in or come up to the table?
(Note: At this time, Public Works Director David Yamamoto came
forward to address the members of the Committee.)
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you for being here, David. You know,
this is another item, postponed right in the middle of March through the pandemic.
But this is a very pressing concern and that's why we asked for the discussion
today.
Three months ago I was invited to the Aloha Estates Subdivision. I'm just
giving you a little backstory. We walked a portion of the Mauna Loa Road.
That's a road-in-limbo that serves hundreds of homes, but it's also one of the
main roadways in and out of the subdivision.
I drive a Dodge. It's a fairly big truck, and I had a hard time getting in and out of
the lower portions of that road due to the three-foot ruts that were dealing with.
Every time it rains it becomes impassable. And this is just one road of thousands
in our County. But Puna needs some solution and help and I've been asked by the
community multiple times for some help with this one.
In Hawaii County, many of the roads-in-limbo, or RILs, are part of alternate
routes, evac routes. Even some of the proposed connectivity routes in Puna are
roads-in-limbo. So I just wanted to have this discussion with you today, and I'm
looking for some good information from you and need some help kind of
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understanding where are we the County sit with roads-in-limbo. And I know this
affects other districts as well, I'm not the only with the roads-in-limbo.
So how about we just start with the basic information. What is a road-in-limbo?
Maybe you can help me with that. Give me a good definition of what a
road-in-limbo is.
MR. YAMAMOTO: From what I understand, a road-in-limbo was one of these
territorial roads or government roads that were identified on maps. And the State
basically and the County has been in dispute regarding the ownership of the road
as well as the responsibility to maintain these roads.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. So state roads, territorial roads,paper
roads, roads that existed that were handed over to the County at some point, and
here we are, but they're not really part of our roadway system as a County.
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, we don't have ownership of these roads.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Do we have funds to maintain these
roads?
MR. YAMAMOTO: We have some funds to maintain the roads, yes.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. One of the things that caught my
attention in the past two months was a large transfer out of the Road-in-Limbo
Fund, which we spoke about, that went to our Workers Comp. And that bothered
me because I know we have some work to be done of these on some of these
roads-in-limbo. What is the current value of that fund right now?
MR. YAMAMOTO: I believe we reduced it to $100,000.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That's going forward in perpetuity?
MR. YAMAMOTO: No. I mean, it's
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Oh, it's this year?
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, it's this year. So we readjusted it based on past use of
the fund, and that was the purpose behind that. Needing to balance the budget and
stuff, we looked at where the funds were being used and needed; and where it
wasn't being used and moved it to where the funds were needed. Because it
wasn't being utilized to the level that we had budgeted for in past years, we
reduced the budget to kind of reflect what we thought would be sufficient to
continue with that program.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So how does someone use that program?
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MR. YAMAMOTO: They can apply. They can apply for the gravel program that
the County set up. They would identify the road and where they were going to
place the material. A lot of times they would be required to do a survey, being that
a lot of the roads meander in and out of the actual road lot that is identified. And
then there's also the environmental impact part of that, where if there is a historic
features, we would have to go through they would have to go—or we would
have to go through the process of identifying and working with SHPD (State
Historic Preservation Division).
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So you're saying that there's a contract they
have to sign with the County to use the road-in-limbo program and the funds
therefore.
MR. YAMAMOTO: Just a Memorandum of Agreement(MOA).
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: A MOA?
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That could include, possibly, and EIS
(Environmental Impact Statement)?
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yes.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: And a survey?
MR. YAMAMOTO: And a survey.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: This is for homeowners?
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: In our County, who live on a road-in-limbo?
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Okay, I'm going to come back to that.
Who's responsibility is it to maintain these roads?
MR. YAMAMOTO: The State, in passing that I don't know—Act 60, back
when—gave the County authority to enforce the traffic laws and allowed it to
maintain the road without ownership. But it's nowhere clear whose responsibility
it is actually to maintain the road.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So you're talking about HRS 46-15.9?
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MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah?
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Which states, "Any provision of the law to
the contrary notwithstanding, any county and its authorized personnel may repair
or maintain, in whole or in part,public streets, roads, or highways whose
ownership is in dispute between the State and the county."
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, correct.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So that basically to me that says we have
the ability to maintain roads-in limbo.
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, they gave us permission to maintain it.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. And they get that magical word
Ic
may.
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yep. Okay, I'm glad you're aware of that.
Now I'm just going to bring it back to Mauna Loa Road. Here we have a
road-in-limbo in a private subdivision. Whose responsibility is it to maintain that
road?
MR. YAMAMOTO: This is aI mean, the County may go and repair the road
and maintain the road.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: We may, okay. Okay, so this is the question
that was posed to me; if the subdivision were to work on this private road, how
does that work? Because they're digging into a road that is a state and a county
responsibility, and we have a program designed to fund it, but it's in a private
subdivision. So are they allowed to work on the road or are they not allowed to
work on the road?
MR. YAMAMOTO: We've been giving them permission to maintain the road.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So we've given them permission to work
on
MR. YAMAMOTO: The road.
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MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Our road?
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, I have some that causes me a
headache. I'm just going to say that. So what I've come down to is, I've looked
all this over, we had a program that was designed to help people fix roads that the
County and the State don't own and are disputing,but it's incredibly prohibitive to
the public to use. Surveys run thousands of dollars. They have to get the gravel
and sign the MOA. The work done has to meet the specs of the road-in-limbo,
typical cross-section as provided in that document. And so a resolution that
created a program to help people utilize publicly-funded gravel has become so
prohibitive that they can't even afford to use it, and then we defund it.
And furthermore, when you have a road that's in the jurisdiction, basically of what
I'm getting right now, and they're trying to use publicly funded fill to spread the
material at their own cost and to meet all these requirements, I mean, are we
helping or are we just creating something that is absolutely hard to use?
MR. YAMAMOTO: I would agree. It's not necessary the simplest, you know, it
has work and cost too, to use. But, you know, when you look at it, it's serving
their subdivision, and they're a private subdivision.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So we're talking about responsibility, yeah?
And again, you have a road and subdivision, can they maintain the road? Yes. Is
it our responsibility? Can we maintain it? Yes. Can they dig the road up even if
it's in dispute and put a culvert underneath of it?
MR. YAMAMOTO: They would have to go through the process that we would go
through in building a road though. I mean, there's the environmental aspect of it
that would be looked at by the various agencies.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay.
MR. YAMAMOTO: Like any subdivision, as well. When they go through their
process of building a subdivision, they go through all that process.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: And the connectivity roads that we have for
Puna, many of which are roads-in-limbo, same thing applies. We could maintain
it.
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, I guess. I mean, if it's a road-in-limbo. If it's actually
identified as a road-in-limbo.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah. Okay, I yield for now.
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CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Ms. Poindexter, you
have the floor.
MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah, when I started looking into roads-in-limbo, I know
that we had like about 150-something miles in road-in-limbo. Is that correct?
MR. YAMAMOTO: There's actually 122 point something that we actually
MS. POINDEXTER: Is now currently.
MR. YAMAMOTO: That we actually cataloged and identified as
MS. POINDEXTER: Because I know in my district we took care of kind of like
two of them through the roads-in-limbo program, where the community came
together and the County gives all the material, and they take care of all labor and
all of the necessary legwork through a contract. The MOU (Memorandum of
Understanding) with the County, correct?
MR. YAMAMOTO: Correct.
MS. POINDEXTER: Okay. So out of that now, if you cataloged it at 122,
it is still the understanding that District 1 has more than 50 percent of those
roads-in-limbo?
MR. YAMAMOTO: I'm not sure of the breakdown, but Hamakua district has
a lot.
MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah. Because before this administration, I know that I had
more than 50 percent of roads-in-limbo in my district alone. And, you know, I
sympathize with all of the communities, but I'm going to tell youI hate to say
just work on Puna because my district has been before my time, I think it was
Councilman Yagong who brought the resolution for roads-in-limbo forward that
put that program in place. That's how long ago. So you know, this is aat some
point, we've got to address it. And whether it's from the standpoint from
Planning—because we keep approving homes to built in certain places, and then
the people come back after and say, "You know what, we no more one good road."
"Well, you knew was one road-in-limbo, and we no more money," right?
So I don't know what needs to happen, but something needs to give. Either we're
not going to allow approval; or if people come in, then they've give so much into
the road improvements. I don't know what needs to happen, but we've got to start
talking about it because every year we beg for places to be paved. I was very
fortunate that two of the communities were able to come together to make it
happen. You know, so I'm thankful for that road-in-limbo program that is
currently in place, because it worked for two areas so far. But I'm going to tell
you, it's not easy.
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MR. YAMAMOTO: I agree.
MS. POINDEXTER: It is totally not easy. You need to have engineers. You need
to have you know, so I always tell people, "You want to work on a road-in-
limbo, call John Cross." Sorry, John Cross. I giving your name, and you're going
to be bombarded with calls. But he was very successful in putting a letter forward,
and what needed to be done, and who they got in as a community. And then the
County went and got, you know—so John Cross is the brainchild behind getting a
project through on a road-in-limbo. So God bless you, John Cross, from here on.
Okay, thank you. I yield at this time. Thank you, Chair.
CHR. LEE LOY: And his number, Ms. Poindexter? Never mind. Before going to
Mr. Richards, anyone in Kona? Just checking in.
MS. EOFF: No. Thank you.
CHR. LEE LOY: Alright. Mr. Richards, you have the floor.
MR. RICHARDS: Val, I've got John's number. No, no, no. But to the point, I
think Chair Chung had introduced a suggestion or recommendation. It's going to
come down to the funding to deal with the roads-in-limbo. And we even have
roads that are in limbo that are not roads-in-limbo, because they're not even
categorized as roads-in-limbo. So empathize in this conversation.
But it's going to come back to the funding. And I think no, these are roads that
aren't old government roads. No, they're there. They're not paper. They're there.
But everybody goes—shrugs their shoulders. To the point though, it's a funding
thing. And, David, I empathize with you. And, Val, I empathize with you,
because my district we have choke roads-in-limbo and roads that are status
unknown. We're trying to sort through them. But again, it comes back to the
funding. So I appreciate the conversation.
But I think Chair Chung was trying to make a direction to get things handled. If
there's a way we could get some of the GE(General Excise) funds, then we
could you know, a very small percentage, and start working on some of these
roads. And I think that's the direction we're going to have to go if we're going to
actually solve this. Chair, I yield.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Anyone else? Alright, seeing none,
thank you, Mr. Yamamoto for being here today. I think there's still a lot of work
ahead. Oh, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder? Sure. Go ahead.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: David, I'm sorry. I've got to follow up on
this. The community asked me. They want to know what they can do. And it
comes down to, really, you've got interesting jurisdiction. You have a road that
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services everyone in the subdivision; it's a road-in-limbo. We as a County may
maintain that road. They may use the fill program, if they can meet the
requirements; and if they can afford it, that's a big issue. We've helped them in
the past. What they're coming up to now is, the flooding concerns that we're
seeing are causing incredible road degradation, leading to them needing to fix it in
a very—in a more in-depth manner. They've got to dig up the road and put a
culvert in and move culverts. But given all that, what do they do?
MR. YAMAMOTO: Just putting in a culvert, though, there's the issue of
changing the way the natural water course is, the natural flow of the water. That's
one of the flood issues that is prohibited. You cannot alter the way the water
flows.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah.
MR. YAMAMOTO: And the way you would have to somehow take care of it,
where it doesn't contribute to any detriment downstream from where it's being
diverted and lower. So it's not an easy task that isI mean, you have to kind of
solve a flood issue from the bottom up rather than the top down, or not you're
going to just keep moving the problem further down, and further down it goes, the
bigger the problem gets.
What the community can do is demand bigger government or more you know,
put forth more money toward having these programs be improved. I mean, that's
basically where it falls, is there's not enough money to improve the program.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah. I would say yes, but I know they've
been asking for 20 years. And so saying now they need to increase the budget
when we just cut it, for our own reasons, you know.
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah, the budget's been cut since 2009. Either status quo
orwas cut. So instead of getting bigger and having to improve the programs we
have, we've had to try and do the same with less, yeah?
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: But you're also saying that we don't spend
down the money in the account.
MR. YAMAMOTO: Yeah. We put it toward areas that we do have a need, you
know, to maintain. I mean, as you can see some of County roads look like
roads in-limbo and that's because of the shortage of funds.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, then I'll leave you with the impression
that this area cannot utilize the roads, and these older ladies driving little Subarus,
getting out of their houses, and you're coming down to a point where the
community is in despair. Ad they have asked me multiple times, and I'm just
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going to leave it right here with you, okay. And my emails, going forward I'll
direct them to you, and you can take it from there.
MR. YAMAMOTO: Okay.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah, thank you.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, David, for being here. Looks like you guys are
going to talk story. So with that, we have a motion on the floor to close file on
Communication 799. All those in favor,please say "aye."
Vote on Comm. 799: The motion to close file on Comm. 799 was carried by
Filed the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Eoff,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Poindexter,
Richards, Villegas, and Chair Lee Loy —9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ORDER OF The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
RESOLUTIONS: Order of Resolutions.
(There were none.)
BILLS FOR The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
ORDINANCES: Bills for Ordinances.
CHR. LEE LOY: That brings us to the end of the agenda. Is that correct,
Mr. Clerk? Motion to adjourn,please.
ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 2:17 p.m., Ms. Poindexter moved to adjourn the
MENT: meeting. Seconded by Mr. Richards and carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Eoff,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Poindexter,
Richards, Villegas, and Chair Lee Loy —9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
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