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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN FC 2020/09/15 2018-2020 Committee on Finance 40th Session Hawaii County Building 25 Aupuni Street Hilo, Hawaii September 15, 2020 CALL TO The regular meeting of the Committee on Finance was called to order at ORDER: 9:03 a.m. in the Council Chambers, Hilo, by Ms. Maile Medeiros David, Chair. ROLL CALL: Present: Ms. Maile Medeiros David, Chair (via videoconference from Kona) Mr. Herbert M. "Tim" Richards, III, Vice Chair (via videoconference from Waimea) Mr. Aaron S. Y. Chung, Member(came in later) Ms. Karen Eoff, Member (via videoconference from Kona) Mr. Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Member Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member (videoconference from Kona) Absent& Excused: Ms. Valerie T. Poindexter, Member STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items. PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS: (There were none.) COMMUNI- The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, CATIONS: Communications. Comm. 9.25: PRELIMINARY MONTHLY BUDGET STATUS REPORT FOR THE MONTH ENDED JUNE 30, 2020, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE From Finance Director Deanna Sako, dated August 20, 2020, transmitting the above report pursuant to Hawaii County Charter Section 6-6.3(h). Motion to Close File: Ms. Eoff moved to close file on Comm. 9.25. Seconded by Mr. Richards. CHR. DAVID: Any discussion? Before we discuss this matter, I just wanted to make a note, I was informed that the administration will not be available for comments this morning until after 10:00, or around 10 o'clock. MR. BROWN: Excuse me, Madam Chair? FC-40 September 15,2020 CHR. DAVID: Yes? MR. BROWN: Director Sako actually just joined us. CHR. DAVID: Oh, she did? MR. BROWN: Yes. CHR. DAVID: Perfect. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Then if we have questions regarding any of the agenda items, Director Sako is there. Welcome, Ms. Sako. Any discussion on Communication 9.25? MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, Chair. Richards. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Go ahead, Mr. Richards. MR. RICHARDS: Ms. Sako, can you come to the table, please? (Note: At this time, Finance Director Deanna Sako came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. SAKO: Good morning. MR. RICHARDS: Good morning, Deanna. Thanks for being here. Deanna, again referencing budget revenues specifically, reading on page 13, under Total General Fund, it says 82.51 percent received. Is that of the total revenues coming forth? MS. SAKO: That's of the total revenues, but this is before all of the accruals are made. We're still closing grants and other things. There will be a lot of accruals, so that won't not be the final number. MR. RICHARDS: Okay. And then, so concerning the GET (General Excise Tax). MS. SAKO: I'd like to make one more real fast comment. In addition, we budget for fund balance, but we don't actually post that, so it's always a little bit off. And we normally will never hit 100 percent. MR. RICHARDS: Okay. And then for the GE Tax on page 17, it looks like we collected about 75 percent of what we would have projected. Is that an accurate number? MS. SAKO: No, we're still doing the accruals. We get the GET very much lagged. So what we collect—what the stores collect in June, they pay the State in July and State pays us in August. So we're still doing the accruals for all of the Page 2 FC-40 September 15,2020 revenue from last fiscal year. So this is only the preliminary, and you'll get the final when we're done, later this month or early next month. MR. RICHARDS: Okay. Just again, concerned about our revenue stream. Appreciate that, Deanna. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Richards and Ms. Sako. Anyone else? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Chair, I have a question. CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Just a simple question. Usually this comes in the form of a spiral bound. Is this the new way we're going to do it going forward, or preliminary, or what? MS. SAKO: This is—every month we send this in. So we send it—but the preliminary is only for the month of June, when we do our first close, and as we do our final close with the accruals, you'll get the final one. Only June has a preliminary. Every other one is just once a month. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. I don't think I got the spiral bound this time. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Anyone else? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Deanna. I'm sorry. CHR. DAVID: Alright. No other questions? Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, go ahead. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: No, I'm just drinking coffee. Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Alright, then all of those in favor of filing Communication 9.25,please say "aye." Vote on Comm. 9.25: The motion to close file on Comm. 9.25 was carried Filed by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David–8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Poindexter– 1. Excused: None. MR. BROWN: Excuse me, Madam Chair? Page 3 FC-40 September 15,2020 CHR. DAVID: Yes? MR. BROWN: For the record, can we just state that Ms. Eoff made the motion, and Mr. Richards seconded? Staff would like to just confirm. CHR. DAVID: Oh, okay, yes. Alright. Sorry, I will do that. MR. BROWN: Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Then can we move on to Communication 10.45? Comm. 10.45: REPORT OF CHANGE ORDERS AUTHORIZED: AUGUST 1 — 15, 2020 From Finance Director Deanna Sako, dated August 19, 2020, transmitting the above report pursuant to Hawaii County Code Section 2-12.3. Vote on Comm. 10.45: Ms. Villegas moved to close file on Comm. 10.45. Filed Seconded by Ms. Eoff and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Poindexter— 1. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Mr. Clerk, please, Communication 119.6. Comm. 119.6: FOURTH QUARTER REALLOCATION REPORT: APRIL—JUNE 2020 From Human Resources Director William V. Brilhante, Jr., dated August 18, 2020. Vote on Comm. 119.6: Ms. Villegas moved to close file on Comm. 119.6. Filed Seconded by Ms. Eoff and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Poindexter— 1. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Okay, Mr. Clerk,please move on to Resolution 723-20. ORDER OF The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, Page 4 FC-40 September 15,2020 RESOLUTIONS: Order of Resolutions. Res. 723-20: AUTHORIZES THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT Allows for the receipt of$978,184 of Federally-derived funds to be used by the Office of Housing and Community Development to prevent,prepare for, and respond to the COVID-19 pandemic. Reference: Comm. 1061 Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R) Motion to Approve: Mr. Kierkiewicz moved to recommend adoption of Res. 723-20. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy. CHR. DAVID: Director Sako, I believe you're still in the room, and I'm glad. Could you there's a companion to this resolution, but I'd like you to explain what this resolution accomplishes. And I know it's just a transfer of the funds that we're going to be receiving. So thank you so much. MS. SAKO: Yeah, this is companion to Bill 193. And Director Hosaka is here, as well. CHR. DAVID: Oh, thank you. MS. SAKO: But on this one we've been very fortunate, and Housing has been very proactive in getting additional COVID (Corona Virus Disease) funds from HUD (Housing and Urban Development). This one is, I believe, the CDBG (Community Development Block Grant) type of money, but it's CDBG COVID-2, it's our second allotment or share of that. But they've also gotten, you know, other funding as well, including Section 8. So we're very happy that they continue to get that funding for us during these difficult times. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Mr. Hosaka, if you would like to say anything to add to Director Sako, you are welcome to. (Note: At this time, Housing Administrator Duane Hosaka came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. HOSAKA: Good morning. CHR. DAVID: Good morning. MR. HOSAKA: Duane Hosaka, Housing Administrator. I just want to echo what Deanna said. We're fortunate to receive this second round of COVID money, and we've just got word that we've also received the third round. That hasn't come out yet and we haven't gotten the details, but we're waiting for that and we're Page 5 FC-40 September 15,2020 going to spend the money wisely. But if you have any questions on the second round, I can answer questions. CHR. DAVID: Thank you very much for that. Anyone else, Council Members? Do you have any questions for Administrator Hosaka? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair David, if I could a question, please? CHR. DAVID: You sure can. Go ahead, Ms. Kierkiewicz. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you so much. Hi, Duane. Great to see you. Thank you again, as Deanna said, for being proactive and obtaining these funds for our County. I just had a question of timing and process. And so my understanding was, was it over the summer or August we went out into the community to solicit proposals for this traunch of funding? And at this point and time we've received the money, so we're able to actually allocate it and push it out into the community. MR. HOSAKA: Yeah, that's correct. We went out to RFP (Request for Proposal). We got a bunch of applicants, I think about 12; and from that, our Selection Committee decided on these four projects that will help the community. One of the criteria was we wanted to get the money out quickly. So some of the projects that might have taken longer, like in the years we you know, that didn't receive as a high priority as some of these. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay, great. And so this funding stream, all of the funds must be expended by December 30'', 2020. Cannot carry over into next year? MR. HOSAKA: No. Our CDBG money, we have until—up to five years. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Oh, but this particular money? MR. HOSAKA: Yeah, this particular money we have up to five years to spend. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. MR. HOSAKA: But, you know, we want to spend it much sooner. We're thinking at least within a year we want to spend it. But even after that, we have monitoring. So we want to spend and monitor within—less than two years. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. I just quickly want to go over the projects because I think they're all very worthy. MR. HOSAKA: Sure. Page 6 FC-40 September 15,2020 MS. KIERKIEWICZ: So Food Basket, they're doing an incredible job island-wide pushing out food drops, you know, food baskets to folks in different communities. So Distribution Equipment Acquisition, is this for more trucks, more vans? MR. HOSAKA: More trucks, and forklifts, or whatever they need to complete their mission. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay, great. And then Boys & Girls Club, again feeding families, keikis, all around the island. What does the Mobile Youth Outreach Services look like? MR. HOSAKA: This is also to help with the keiki, to provide educational outreach to them. So possibly MS. KIERKIEWICZ: So is it like WiFi or are they getting like, you know ? MR. HOSAKA: Chromebooks. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: They're getting Chromebooks. MR. HOSAKA: Whatever Boys & Girls Club decides. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. MR. HOSAKA: Yeah. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: And then, facilities improvements to Ulu Wini—Laundry and Utility? MR. HOSAKA: Yeah, right now our Ulu Wini facility, for some reason they didn't have hot water. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: They didn't have hot water? MR. HOSAKA: Yeah, for the laundry facility. So we're going to upgrade and provide hot water to prevent the COVID spread. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. MR. HOSAKA: You know, washing with warm or hot water. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. Okay, great. And then, Project Vision—Mobile Health and Hygiene Services, this is island-wide? MR. HOSAKA: Yes. Page 7 FC-40 September 15,2020 MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. So any of these folks, have they already spent some of the money, and this is going to be like reimbursement, or are they waiting for the funding to be transmitted to them before they're able to move on these projects? MR. HOSAKA: Yeah, once the money gets transferred, they can spend the money. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. So it's not a reimbursement basis? Like if they've—like let's say Food Basket purchased the truck MR. HOSAKA: Yeah. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: It's under the guise of, you know, this particular program, right, that they submitted proposal for. Are you reimbursing them for work they've already done? MR. HOSAKA: Yes. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: You are? MR. HOSAKA: Yes. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. MR. HOSAKA: So they will issue an invoice or bill to us, and then we'll reimburse them. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. I'm just asking that because there's so much need, and I want to make sure people are able to move MR. HOSAKA: Yes. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: And get those things done without having to wait for funding to be released out into the community. MR. HOSAKA: Yeah. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. MR. HOSAKA: As soon they issue an invoice, then we'll reimburse them. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Excellent. Okay, thank you, Duane. I really appreciate it. Great job. Look forward to the other funding stream that's coming forward. MR. HOSAKA: Yes. Page 8 FC-40 September 15,2020 MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Anyone else in Hilo? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Chair, I have a question. CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Duane, I'm just thinking about this Ulu Wini hot water improvements. So $176,000,what kind of hot water improvements are we doing;? Well, not we. But I mean, what is being done? MR. HOSAKA: So just extending the laundry service building and providing, I guess, hot water tanks. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So then hot water. Solar, regular? MR. HOSAKA: Solar. Solar water heating. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Solar hot water. And increasing the size of the building itself? MR. HOSAKA: Yes. There's only one laundry facility for about 100 families. So we're just extending it a little bigger with the space that's allowable in that facility. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah, thank you. CHR. DAVID: You're done, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I yield, Chair. Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Anyone else in Hilo before I ask the Kona Council Members? MS. LEE LOY: Yes, Chair, please. CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Ms. Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. Duane, again always, thank you for being here Ms. Kierkiewicz touched on all of the projects, but I'm going to touch on that administrative funds. Is that just the percentage of the overall bucket of money? Like. how does this administrative $93,000 kind of populate? MR. HOSAKA: Okay, I'm glad you asked that. So under our federal rules, I guess our total budget—we have to take about seven percent of our total budget and use it for indirect costs; which is rent, electricity, phones, whatever—any kind Page 9 FC-40 September 15,2020 of indirect costs. And without indirect cost that we use from this administrative money from the federal, it would have to be paid from somewhere, whether it's from the county or federal. So we're using the federal side to help pay this indirect cost. MS. LEE LOY: So this actually helps offset cost associated,just in Housing for administering these funds. And tracking it, right? MR. HOSAKA: Yes. MS. LEE LOY: Okay. MR. HOSAKA: Yeah, so this money will last less than two years. So we should have our projects completed and monitored to start to finish within those—less than two years. MS. LEE LOY: Right. Duane, thank you for that. So we have this administrative fund that last two years, but you were saying earlier that we can take up to five years to expend the monies. MR. HOSAKA: That's correct. MS. LEE LOY: So once we—say we expend it within the 24 months, we have to expend this entire $978,000? MR. HOSAKA: When we MS. LEE LOY: Or can that administrative also carry over? MR. HOSAKA: Well, the administrative money, of this $978,000, would only last us—would last us less than two years. So we didn't figure in going the five years, yeah. MS. LEE LOY: Okay. Thank you. Good to know that you have the funds to track it. Chair, I yield at this time. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Anyone else in Hilo? Kona, no? Alright, then thank you. Mr. Hosaka, I really want to thank you and your staff and the Housing Administration staff for all their due diligence in getting these funds, and all your hard work in doing what you do for our low-income housing people and the needy. On that, Council Members, all those in favor of approving Resolution 723-20, and forward to Council with a positive recommendation, please say "aye." Page 10 FC-40 September 15,2020 Vote on Res. 723-20: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 723-20 was (Approved) carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Poindexter— 1. Excused: None. MS. LEE LOY: Chair? CHR. DAVID: Yes? MS. LEE LOY: If we could take Bill 193, which is the companion to this, to keep in context? CHR. DAVID: Yes, you read my mind. MS. LEE LOY: And Duane is giving me thumbs up. CHR. DAVID: Yeah. No, I was going to do that anyway. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. CHR. DAVID: So, Mr. Clerk, can we please do the companion, Bill 193? Change Order As directed by the Chair and with no objection from the Council Members, of Business: the following items were taken out of order: Bill 193: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 20-45, AS AMENDED, THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAII FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30, 2021 Appropriates revenues in the Federal —CDBG (Community Development Block Grant) COVID-19 account($978,184); and appropriates the same to the following CDBG-CV2 accounts: Food Basket Emergency Food Distribution Equipment Acquisition; Boys & Girls Club of Big Island—Mobile Youth Outreach Services; Na Kahua Hale O Ulu Wini —Laundry & Utility Improvements; Project Vision Hawaii —Mobile Health & Hygiene Service; and CDBG-CV Administration. Funds would be used to prevent,prepare for, and respond to the COVID-19 pandemic. Reference: Comm. 1061 Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R) Page 11 FC-40 September 15,2020 (Note: Comm. 1061.1, from Finance Director Deanna Sako dated September 8, 2020, transmitting proposed amendments to Bill 193, was circulated.) Motion to Approve: Ms. Eoff moved to recommend passage of Bill 193 on first reading. Seconded by Ms. Villegas. CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, any questions on this one? MS. LEE LOY: Yes, Chair. CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Ms. Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: I believe, in our folders, we have Communication 1061.1. I'd like to make a motion amend Bill 193 with the contents of Communication 1061.1. Motion to Amend: Ms. Lee Loy moved to amend Bill 193 with the contents of Comm. 1061.1. Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz. CHR. DAVID: Discussion? MS. LEE LOY: Chair? CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Ms. Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, thank you, Chair. I believe the amendment is reflected in the background report from our resolution. But Mr. Hosaka is here, I'll let him take the lead. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Mr. Hosaka? MR. HOSAKA: Yes. So Bill 193, I guess the numbers were mixed up from our first round. So the numbers, I believe if you have it in front of you, for the Food Basket Emergency Food Distribution, it should be $223,500; for the Boys & Girls Club —Mobile Youth Outreach, it should be $376,000; the Ulu Wini —Laundry and Utility Improvements, $175,000; the Mobile Health & Hygiene Service is $110,000; and the Administrative money is $93,684. So it was just a mix-up. It got transposed from our first round on this one, yeah. So sorry about that. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Hosaka. Go ahead, Ms. Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, thank you. So, Duane, because it looks like they're getting less, right? This amendment looks like they're getting less, when really that's not correct. These numbers actually reflect the second round of money, right? I mean, because when you look at it on face-value, for example, it looks Page 12 FC-40 September 15,2020 like Food Basket was supposed to get$250,000, but they're getting $223,000. So it looks like less, but that's not accurate. We're just reflecting the accurate numbers from the second round of money. MR. HOSAKA: Yeah, if you look at it, the first round they received $250,000 and the second round they're receiving $223,000 more, yeah. MS. LEE LOY: Great. Thanks, Duane. Thanks for the MR. HOSAKA: And that reflects the first round we received $1.5 million and the second round was, yeah, you know, the $978,000. So with less money, they received a little less. MS. LEE LOY: So actually if you add both numbers, the $250,000 and the $223,000, Food Basket has now received $473,000? MR. HOSAKA: Correct. MS. LEE LOY: Correct, okay. Thanks for that clarification. Chair, I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy, for bringing that forward and explaining that. Anyone else? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, I have one more question. CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Ms. Kierkiewicz. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. Duane, are we sure the account numbers are correct? And the only reason why I asked that, I mean, I appreciated, you know the copy and paste and leveraging what we've already put forward, bill-wise. But Project Vision wasn't on the list for the first round, it was HCEOC (Hawai`i County Economic Opportunity Council). And so I just—I'm wondering if the account numbers are correct, They are? Okay. Okay, thank you. Chair David, I was able to confirm that with Director Sako just now, so thank you. Just wanted to make sure folks were getting their money. Thank you. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you for that, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Anyone else? Seeing none, on the amendment, all those in favor of amending Bill 193 with the contents of Communication 1061.1,please say "aye." Page 13 FC-40 September 15,2020 Vote on Motion The motion to amend Bill 193 with the contents of to Amend: Comm. 1061.1 was carried by the following voice vote: (Approved) Ayes: Committee Members Chung, Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Poindexter— 1. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Now going back to Bill 193, as amended, any other discussion? Seeing none, all those favor of approving Bill 193, as amended, and forward to Council with a positive recommendation, please say "aye." Vote on Bill 193: The motion to recommend passage of Bill 193, as amended, Draft 2 was carried by the following voice vote: (Approved) Ayes: Committee Members Chung, Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Poindexter— 1. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Thank you very much. Mr. Clerk, we can go back to Order of Resolutions. Please, Resolution 724-20. Return to Order The Chair directed the Committee to return to the order of business. of Business: Res. 724-20: AUTHORIZES THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII'S HAWAII NATURAL ENERGY INSTITUTE FOR THE ACCEPTANCE OF A DONATION OF A HYDROGEN BUS Accepts a 2014 Eldorado 29-passenger Aero Elite bus with an approximate value of$500,000 to add to the Mass Transit Agency's transportation fleet. Reference: Comm. 1062 Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R) Motion to Approve: Mr. Richards moved to recommend adoption of Res. 724-20. Seconded by Ms. Villegas. CHR. DAVID: Mr. Richards. MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, thank you, Chair. This has been a long time coming. We've had this conversation concerning expanding our Mass Transit, using our Page 14 FC-40 September 15,2020 renewable energy. This is something that's been in the works for quite some time now, so I'm very pleased that this is moving forward. So I ask for everybody's support. This is just the right direction. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Anyone else? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Chair? CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: YeahI mean, when I first walked into office, this one of the most exciting things that I saw. And I wrote a resolution asking everyone to do this from the County side. It's just exciting to see that there is some movement. As well the next resolution, utilizing bothI want a free vehicle besides shipping for the County to use for hydrogen bus. And like Tim Richard said, utilizing a very sustainable resource that we can both make and use on island, which is really touching on sustainable and renewable economies and energy. Nothing more wonderful in my eyes that we could do as a County. So I wholeheartedly support moving Resolution 724 along to Council with a positive recommendation. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Council Members, I would just like to make a note that Riley Saito is here in chambers, in Kona, should anyone have any questions. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I do. CHR. DAVID: Mr. Saito. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I do, actually. Can I? CHR. DAVID: Sure. Mr. Saito, could you please come forward? (Note: At this time, Deputy Research and Development Director Riley Saito came forward to address the members of the Committee.) CHR. DAVID: Please introduce yourself for the record. MR. SAITO: Riley Saito, Deputy Director, Research and Development. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Riley, you want to just explain what this is? And maybeI mean, you can't really touch on the next one, and we'll talk about it after. Same idea. But just break this down a little bit so everyone can understand what this is, for those who don't have the document in front of them. Page 15 FC-40 September 15,2020 MR. SAITO: Its basically approving us to receive the hydrogen bus, which was actually developed by HNEI(Hawai`i Natural Energy Institute) and others through government funding, to basically MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Can you speak up a little bit? Sorry, we're having a hard time hearing you. MR. SAITO: Yeah, the MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. MR. SAITO: Is that better? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That's better. MR. SAITO: Okay. So this is an approval to actually receive the bus. It's a 29-passenger bus, fueled cell, hydrogen fuel vehicle which was developed by HNEI through grants. The bus is in Oahu and ready to go, and we need to secure the titles yet, though. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Yeah, and this other we're talking about, working with Mitch Yuen from—is it UH (University of Hawai`i)? MR. SAITO: Correct. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I think this pairs in very nicely with the next resolution coming forward. Yeah, I just appreciate the background. I'm excited about this. I was in 2019, and I still am today. So thank you for keeping this moving along. I appreciate it. And I think Brenda is watching. And, Brenda, if you can hear us, mahalo, Brenda, for keeping this moving along. Really appreciate this resolution. I yield. Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Anyone else in Hilo? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, I have a question for Riley, please. CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Ms. Kierkiewicz. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. Hi, Riley. Great to see you, sort of. MR. SAITO: Hi. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Hey, I had a question about whether or not this was an opportunity to kind of align with Aloha Connects Innovation, the program that EDAH (Economic Development Alliance of Hawaii) is running to, you know, Page 16 FC-40 September 15,2020 provide job opportunities in economic diverse fields. This being one of them, hydrogen being that innovative field. So I'm just wondering if there's going to be opportunities for local residents to have temporary unemployment, but also opportunity to build up workforce skills through this project. MR. SAITO: Yeah, actually Mitch and I have been in discussion with Rachael, with the community college. We're looking at obtaining the curriculum from AC Transit, for training their staff. They already have, I think, about 20 hydrogen buses. So they have an operation and maintenance training program. We're looking and working on that to—actually if you look forward, you know, transformation to zero-emission vehicles that is a new technology that we would like to develop for workforce, for maintenance. That's what would occur over time. So yeah, if youactually, you know, from the research we did, that was one of the holes that needed to be filled as areas move forward with zero emission, but the training and available staff was lacking, and so we were actually attacking that right now. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Excellent. Great to hear that there's work with the community college, and that we're thinking ahead and building up that workforce pipeline. You know, I'm noticing it's a 2014 bus. Do you have any concerns about the condition of the bus? I mean, how often was it used prior to us accepting it? MR. SAITO: I think it wasactually, hardly used at all. It was originally a diesel bus, which was retrofitted, the whole power train removed, rebuilt—for a fuel cell. So it's virtually new. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay, thank you for clarifying. Appreciate it. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Ms. Eoff, go ahead. MS. EOFF: Thank you. Aloha, Riley. And I agree with everything that's been said. This is an exciting thing for us. It mentions here that the bus will used on the intra-Kona routes. Is that the first preferable use? Or where? MR. SAITO: Well, actually that's Brenda's call. I think it would be—and we talked about different alternatives. right? One thing we did consider is going Kona to Waimea, to give it a workout on Kawaihae Road and the upper roads, because of the topography changes. But we can start with, I'm sure, Kona first. Make sure it works. And out there, then we can expand. MS. EOFF: I don't know if I missed it, but where's the fueling station? Page 17 FC-40 September 15,2020 MR. SAITO: It's at the Natural Energy Laboratory. And it's operational. We passed it and got permission. We passed all the inspections to start producing fuel. MS. EOFF: And that's the only one on the island at this point? MR. SAITO: Correct, at this point. Other than (inaudible). MS. EOFF: Okay, thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Eoff. Anyone else? MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, Chair. Richards. CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Mr. Richards. MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, thank you, Chair. Just to add, and Riley, you can clarify this for me. As I understand, talking to Mitch, this bus has been—it was converted, yes, and then it was updated to, I think, about the most modern fuel cell with the hydrogen. And again, could be as close to being state-of-the-art for the fuel cell right now. And then to Ms. Eoff's question, there is a I think "tanker's"the wrong word, but there is a transportation vessel, that they can move hydrogen from the west side to the east side for fuel and fuel cells, when we get to that stage of the Mass Transit. Thanks, Chair. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Anyone else? Seeing none, perfect. Thank you, Mr. Saito, for being here and explaining all of this. And congratulations. Alright, Council Members, all those in favor of approving Resolution 724-20, and forward to Council with a positive recommendation, please say "aye." Vote on Res. 724-20: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 724-20 was (Approved) carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—7. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Chung and Poindexter—2. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Mr. Clerk, go ahead. I believe Administrator Carreira is available now, so can we do Resolution 725-20? Page 18 FC-40 September 15,2020 Res. 725-20: AUTHORIZES THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII'S HAWAII NATURAL ENERGY INSTITUTE FOR THE MASS TRANSIT AGENCY HYDROGEN BUS PROJECT Establishes a two-year agreement to operate and maintain three zero-emission buses in Kailua-Kona. Reference: Comm. 1063 Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R) Motion to Approve: Ms. Eoff moved to recommend adoption of Res. 725-20. Seconded by Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. CHR. DAVID: Is Ms. Carreira in chambers? MR. KANEALII-KLEINFELDER: She is not today. MR. BROWN: I believe she is going to call in through our WebEx platform. CHR. DAVID: Through WebEx? MR. BROWN: If you don't mind, Madam Chair, can we take a quick recess? See if we can get her on the line. CHR. DAVID: Sure. Yeah, we're in recess for a couple of minutes. Thank you. MR. BROWN: Thank you. Recess: At 9:36 a.m., the Chair called for a recess. Reconvene: The meeting reconvened at 9:41 a.m. (Note: At this time, Mass Transit Administrator Brenda Carreira came forward to address the members of the Committee.) CHR. DAVID: I'm calling the Finance Committee out of recess. Mr. Clerk, please go ahead and read Resolution 725-20. MR. BROWN: Oh sorry, Madam Chair. I read in Resolution 725-20. Ms. Eoff made the motion, and Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder seconded. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. MR. BROWN: Yes, so we can go into discussion whenever you're ready. Page 19 FC-40 September 15,2020 CHR. DAVID: Okay, that's right. Discussion? Ms. Carreira, welcome. And could you just give us a rundown on these really exciting buses that we're getting? MS. CARRIERA: Okay, I believe it wasI don't know if it was earlier this year, the university, with Mitch Yuen, had one vehicle, and that's the one we're talking about today. And that we have kind of a contract, once we actually receive the bus. That is the contract we're talking about today. There were two other buses that we came in front of the Council before for donations from the Volcanoes National Park. And I believe we paid $500 each for that and then we'll pay for transporting it here. What is happening with the buses right now, one of them is completed, the one, that UH one right now. But the other two need to be upgraded, the battery cells and everything, and we just the approval from the County, the Purchasing Agent, to pay the funds to upgrade those particular fuel cells. My belief is once they're done, physically all three of them is at—we would have to beI'm not sure right now. I'm trying to think if it was painted or whatever for the County colors. They would be transported to this island, and our intent was to—is to put them in Kona because that's the smaller vehicles for the intra-Kona, which already has a hydrogen facility completed, as far as for the gas, I mean, to fuel it. It takes only about 10 minutes. The issue we have here, not to do with this particular MOA (Memorandum of Agreement) but just with the hydrogen in general, is the hydrogen infrastructure. That needs to be built because that's about the only way—once you put the buses on the road, we have to be able to maintain it. And our mechanics are with UPW (United Public Workers), and they have to be trained. Two of them have started the first training session, virtually, last week, and I was there for part of it. So those are the things. But once all of this is done, at least the vehicles can be on our island and where we could have it stored here until it's placed in service. But this is third vehicle. And this is the one we're not paying for anything upfront, I believe, other than transporting it, bringing it here. The UH—Mitch guys took care of everything else. CHR. DAVID: Thank you very much for that. MS. CARRIERA: You're welcome. CHR. DAVID: Council Members, questions for Ms. Carreira? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Chair? CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Page 20 FC-40 September 15,2020 MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Hi, Brenda. Mahalo for doing this. And again, this is one of those exciting things. It's really neat. I'm really excited about this. And I'm glad that it all came together in a very nice way. Although they do need some work, I think in the end, I mean, again, circulate economy, sustainable, renewable energy. I think a lot of different projects can start to happen now that we have kind of put buses in our control that need a facility. We do have a facility in Kona like you mentioned, that can do fueling. But we also need to get moving for the Hilo side and other places where we can do infrastructure, as well as utilize solar to make that hydrogen Yeah, I'm just very excited. Is there anything else we need to know, Brenda, you know, about going forward from here? MS. CARRIERA: No, not with this hydrogen. Like I said, the training of the mechanics and the actual infrastructure is what I'm most concerned about. Mr. Yuen (Mitch) and Riley has been great. Riley's helping us a lot on this because he knows the more technical aspects. And, you know, there wereI believe the Legislature, with some of the bills and other people,private investors, I think part of it, people are just kind of waiting to see how much things cost and what they can do to help us, which I totally appreciate. But I am truly hopingI'm sorry, Mitch is with a zero-emissions conference right now, done online. I'm really hoping we can get these buses here, if they're all completed, the upgrades and painting. I'm really hoping by the end of this year. But I can keep you all apprised. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yes,please. And let me know how I can help and what we can do to further this. And Tim touched on it earlier, we have the tank transport in Kona that can move hydrogen from Kona to Hilo or vice-versa, and that actually allows us to run on both sides while we develop infrastructure on the Hilo side. And then we can use these buses in both Hilo and Kona. And that really begins to touch onI think there's ais it a mayoral initiative to do renewable, clean mass transit transportation? Is that right? MS. CARRIERA: I don't know if its mayoral or if that was done by the State's zero emissions by 2045. Was at the Legislature or MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: There is MS. CARREIRA: I'm the sure the Mayor also signed on, or all of the Mayors. But the entire State, I believe, needs to be by 2045. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah, by 2045, yes. But there's also a separate mayoral initiative. I think all the mayors jumped on to, which wasI Page 21 FC-40 September 15,2020 want to say by 2030. I may be incorrect, but I think there is something there. Riley, are you still there in Kona? (Note: At this time, Mr. Saito, came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. EOFF: Yes, he is. He's coming to the table. MR. SAITO: Yes, it's a proclamation that wasI think it was in December 2017, in which four mayors signed the proclamation jointly. And it was to convert the County fleet including Mass Transit to zero emissions, the goal by 2035. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: There it is. So this falls directly in line with that proclamation. So thank you for telling me—reminding me. I couldn't remember if it were 2030 or 2035. So we have about 15 years to move over into zero emissions for our entire fleet, which would be amazing, but it's also a feat. You know, we've kind of work towards that. So, Riley, let us know what we can do to help you. I'm very interested, always have. Thank you. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder and Mr. Saito. Anyone else wanting to say something on this one? Seeing none, thank you, Ms. Carreira, for being here, and congratulations. So all those in favor approving Bill 193, and forward to Council recommendation, please say "aye." Vote on Res. 725-20: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 725-20 was (Approved) carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—7. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Chung and Poindexter—2. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Thank you very much, Mr. Saito and Ms. Carreira. MR. BROWN: Excuse me, Madam Chair. CHR. DAVID: Go ahead. MR. BROWN: I'm so sorry, I had a hard time hearing you. That was the motion on Resolution 725-20. CHR. DAVID: Oh, yes. I'm sorry. You're correct. MR. BROWN: Thank you. Page 22 FC-40 September 15,2020 CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Now can we move on to Bills for Ordinances? Bill 192,please. BILLS FOR The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, ORDINANCES: Bills for Ordinances. Bill 192: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 20-44, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND FINANCING THEREOF FOR THE FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 2020 TO JUNE 30, 2021 Adds the Public Works Bridge Inspection & Appraisal - Federal project for $160,000 to the Capital Budget. Funds for this project shall be provided from Federal Grants Receivable. Reference: Comm. 1060 Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R) Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to recommend passage of Bill 192 on first reading. Seconded by Mr. Richards. CHR. DAVID: Discussion, Council Members? Seeing none MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Oh, Chair? Sorry, absent not to click my button. CHR. DAVID: Ms. Kierkiewicz, is that you, yeah? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Yes, it is. Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Go ahead. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: I believe Deputy Director Simeon is here. If I could just Allan a few questions? CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Go ahead. (Note: At this time, Deputy Public Works Director Allan Simeon came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thanks. I think I read in the B-52 or somewhere in this report that this is mandated activities MR. SIMEON: Yes. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: And this occurs biannually. MR. SIMEON: That's correct. Page 23 FC-40 September 15,2020 MS. KIERKIEWICZ: And that we are being provided some funding, 80-20 match from the federal government. So Federal Highways is providing us $160,000 and the County is coming up with, I think MR. SIMEON: Forty thousand ($40,000). MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Forty thousand. Can you just talk a little bit about what the monitoring of our bridges? What that work looks like and what the deliverable is at the end of that monitoring. MR. SIMEON: Okay. So with the 129 bridges that we have under NBI(National Bridge Inventory), and you mentioned basically it's mandated to be inspected by biannually, so our inspectors or engineers in the bridge section are required to go and inspect the bridges element by element. Meaning, you have to inspect the depth, the railing, the columns, the abutment, the arch, or whatever features that the bridge has, and make a report on that. So the inspection that's including underwater, its collar inspections, as well. The inspection is necessary to monitor the deterioration of the bridge and also to determine the routine maintenance that is needed. So for the routine maintenance and minor work that needs to be done, a work order would be submitted to our Highways Division to address. So for the more major repair work for our bridges, it has to be contracted out and designed, as part of the STIP (Statewide Transportation Improvement Program)projects with the other roadway pavement improvements project. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: How long has the County been doing this inspection work? You're saying it's done every couple of years. So we must have—you know, what is it, decades worth of reports for this? MR. SIMEON: I would say decades, yeah. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. And then at any point and time, do you folks because you were telling me earlier it's about like a 30-page report. So it's very civil. MR. SIMEON: For our bridges, yeah. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Is there some kind of executive summary, where you are tiering each of these bridges, to say these really need immediate attention, and kind of scoring the bridges in that way so we can really take a more systematic approach to prioritizing what needs to be worked on and when? MR. SIMEON: I'm sure our Bridge Section would be able to come up with a list, or the more prioritized bridges that needs immediate attention or work. Page 24 FC-40 September 15,2020 MS. KIERKIEWICZ: So because a plan or a report has already been crafted, there's an existing one, is it possible for them to, you know, create a priority list based on an existing report? Because I think it would be a great way for us to compare the condition of bridges from your report two years ago to the one that you're going to be working on now. MR. SIMEON: We'll work with the bridge section to come up with a report. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. And then you were talking about STIP funding being available for bridge maintenance, how much money are we talking? MR. SIMEON: For the past two years and moving forward, unless there's a change in funding, we estimate that we are getting about six to maybe about$8 to $10 million a year, and that is for our bridges and also for our County- Federal Aid Roadway Projects. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: So bridges and roads, they aren't separate pots of money? MR. SIMEON: No, they're basically pretty much the same program. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: What is the total for our State, for STIP? Would happen to know that offhand? MR. SIMEON: I'm sorry, I don't have that. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. No, I was just curious to know what percentage our island was getting. So it ranges between $6 and $10 (million). MR. SIMEON: Yeah, right now. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: And we need to have these reports in order qualify. And STIP projects need to be shovel-ready, is that my understanding? MR. SIMEON: No. We are doing our best to have shovel-ready projects for roads and bridges, so that hopefully if there are available money from the DOT (Department of Transportation) or Federal Highways, we have something ready. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. Thanks for that clarification and for the details. It would be great if in the next couple of months we can get that priorities list. MR. SIMEON: Sure. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. I appreciate it. Chair, I yield. MR. SIMEON: Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Anyone else in Hilo? Page 25 FC-40 September 15,2020 MR. RICHARDS: Chair? CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Mr. Richards. MR. RICHARDS: Allan, I know that Public Works has been working on that survey program, using the State. I think they leased or contracted to have that done with equipment. Does this bridge survey tie into that road survey that's being done, to give us an update, thereby prioritizing the maintenance schedule? MR. SIMEON: Council Member, no this is separate. MR. RICHARDS: Okay. Thanks, Allan. I appreciate it. MR. SIMEON: Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Anyone else? Seeing none, well, thank you, Mr. Simeon, for explaining that. And there being no other questions, we're going to take the vote? All those in favor of approving Bill 192 and forward to Council with a positive recommendation, please say "aye." Vote on Bill 192: The motion to recommend passage of Bill 192 on (Approved) first reading was carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—7. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Chung and Poindexter—2. Excused: None. (Note: Bill 193 in this category was taken up previously, out of order) CHR. DAVID: Mr. Clerk, and I think we can move to the last bill on our agenda, Bill 196. Bill 196: AMENDS CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE 4, OF THE HAWAII COUNTY CODE 1983 (2016 EDITION, AS AMENDED), BY ADDING A NEW SECTION RELATING TO FISCAL IMPACT STATEMENTS Allows for the Finance Director to initiate, or any Council Member to request from the Finance Director, a Fiscal Impact Statement for any Bill for an Ordinance, except for Bills that initiate an amendment to the Hawai'i County Charter or that establish the upcoming fiscal year operating budget or capital budget. Reference: Comm. 1059 Intr. by: Ms. Lee Loy Page 26 FC-40 September 15,2020 Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to recommend passage of Bill 196 on first reading. Seconded by Mr. Richards. CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Ms. Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. And if I could just help the rest of my colleague's level set a little bit. Bill 196 is new, but actually it mirrors what Chair Chung did two years ago with our Charter, which is introduce a Fiscal Impact Statement. So when we were looking at Charter amendments, our constituency and our electorate would have a little bit of a backstop as to what the fiscal impacts would be to any Charter amendment. And so, I know all of us are incredibly worried about what 2021 will look like, as far as revenues and a budget. You know, I just wanted us to fall forward a little bit and look at any legislation that we put forward would also kind of mirror a similar Fiscal Impact Statement. And so as described in the title and as shared by our Clerk, what Bill 169 does is introduce a definition of what a Fiscal Impact Statement does; provides the framework on the information that would be contained in the Fiscal Impact Statement, and it would allow any Council Member or any member of the administration to request what a piece of legislation was being intended to do, so that we could make good decisions around our budget moving into this next fiscal year. And then of course I didn't want to hamstring some of the work. That just has to happen through government. I mean, we see transfer of funds, we just see things that we do,just like today, with the resolution for our CDBG monies. Those things that just are functions of government would not be subjected to this type of Fiscal Impact Statement. That's the framework, and that was the thought process behind me lifting this kind of language that was introduced by Chair Chung. And just some background information. In the 2018 General Election, this Charter amendment for Fiscal Impact Statement was voted on by our electorate, passing with 73.9 percent of our electorate wanting this type of information, when voting on Charter amendments. We're seeing the implementation of that this year. I think we saw an article on Sunday's paper, and a lot of that information is now being contained for all of our voters who are at home and looking at these Charter amendments. I think it's a great tool for all of us. You know, and I'm looking for your feedback or any of my colleagues feedback. It really just mirrors what we're doing with the Charter and pushing it down in our Code. Chair, I yield, but I'm open to any questions that my other colleagues have. Page 27 FC-40 September 15,2020 CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Any other Council Members have questions? Ms. Villegas, go ahead. MS. VILLEGAS: Sure. Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy, for that description. I guess I have a question here. So if we're bringing a bill forward that creates some kind of a change in cost or fiscal spending on the administration standpoint, then would we as Council Members need to create the Fiscal Impact Statement? For example, Bill 101 related to herbicides, I had to pull teeth to get any information, and it was still very vague about what any transition of cost would be to transition to utilizing other measures for weed management and mitigation in our parks and on our roadways. So I'm wondering how that affects bills brought forward by the Council. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you for that. So it would be to Parks. It would definitely be on the Council Member, but in collaboration with the administration and those who are kind of in charge of that particular area. So I wanted to give like an example. Because I began to reflect on it myself, a few years back I introduced a bill related to towing, and I ended up pulling that back. But I ran that particular piece of legislation that I introduced kind of through what would be an example from the Finance Director. So what I discovered is that particular bill, as far as revenue generation, actually wouldn't generate any real revenue to the County, because when a ticket is issued, those funds go the State. And so although a police officer here in Hawaii County would ticket, and we would expend the money by way of paying for that officer's salaries or having them show up in court, any revenue collected from the issuance from that ticket would go to the State. Another example I looked at was a sponsorship bill that I introduced a couple years back. That particular bill was a $20,000 buy-in to help with various County assets. And just in my district alone, if we were to look at sponsoring five County assets, that would generate $100,000 in revenue from the sponsorship, which would then be infused into the Parks department to help one, fix the asset, but also kind of supplement some of their budget. So that was framework that I was kind of aiming for. So to answer your question, it would be kind of two-part. One, the Council Member's thoughts behind the initiative, in collaboration with the administration. MS. VILLEGAS: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. I appreciate that. Part of it sounds really great. I have some concerns because I struggled so desperately, and we continue to struggle with the partnership we signed on to, with Beyond Pesticides for the two parks to do the pilot projects on to get any numbers from the administration that specifically identify cost analysis. And alsoI guess I just want to put out there the context of—in today's day and age we're looking at what cost and what makes money. But I really want to make sure that in the framework of this thought process we're including the cost of not Page 28 FC-40 September 15,2020 doing it, and then the cost of lawsuits, and the cost of environmental degradation, and the cost of loss of cultural resources. So I guess to me there's a part of this that seems, like common sense and logical, and I really appreciate that side of it. I just—there's some tingling in the back of my neck when I,just with my experience, of trying to actually get any quantifiable numbers was like pulling teeth and getting constant different specs on finances and, you know, having other members of the administration come forward and blow up huge, crazy numbers for what it would cost to make a transition, which was all hearsay at the time, and yet that's what was perpetuated, as being fact. So I just think it's great in concept, and I appreciate you bringing this forward. I just—I'm really hopeful that it could be utilized as efficiently and effectively, as I am sure your intention is for it to be. With that, I yield. MS. LEE LOY: Chair, if I might respond? CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Villegas. Oh, yes. Go ahead, Ms.yes. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, I don't see the Fiscal Impact Statement kind of just being, you know, a debt and asset sheet. I don't—actually I do envision some of those cultural issues or resource issues being part of the discussion, but I think at the end of the day it provides us a broader base to have a conversation around all of it. And I'm a Spock fan, it sounds logical. I don't see it as a tool to only stick to the dollars and cents of it, in fact I think it would be a tool to add in those other considerations. As an aside side, I did talk to Joe Kamelamela and Finance Director Deanna Sako. They are supportive of it. They appreciated the framework. At the end of the day it helps everybody also, because it also helps the administration when they're budgeting, when we move in new legislation, how to plan for it in the future. I hope that helps. And I'm open to looking at any other feedback. If, you know, Ms. Villegas, you're looking at a way including that, we can talk about it or even float another draft or some new language around it. Again, at the end of day, it really is lifting what we have in the Charter that was approved by 73 percent of our electorate, and kind of pushing it right into our County Code. With that, I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Anyone else? MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, Chair. Richards. CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Mr. Richards. Page 29 FC-40 September 15,2020 MR. RICHARDS: Like anything, when we start talking numbers, it piques my interest. I like the fact that we're looking at the legislation that we passed and the impact it may have on our community. Now, Rebecca, you bring up some interesting valid concerns, and I think we can address those. But I like this. As it was stated, it does mirrors what's going on in our Charter, which I think is very important going forward. We've got to be very, very fiscally minded, especially come the next couple, three, four years as we come through all this stuff. You know, Rebecca, I definitely hear you as far as working on trying to get data. I really like the concept, and this is something I'm definitely going to support, but I think we're going to tweak it a little. With that being said, I think it's the right direction. Sue, I have to commend you on that because this is very thoughtful. It's been staring us in the face since Aaron did it and we haven't done it yet, so this is actually a good way to approach it. I'm going to support it. I'm going to think on some of those concerns that Rebecca has highlighted. And I think we're going to have to be sure that when we are seeking information, we'll have to be able to get information. So, I'm going to be thoughtful on this. But anyway, I appreciate it coming forward. Chair, I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Anyone else in Hilo? MS. LEE LOY: Chair, if I might respond to Mr. Richards? CHR. DAVID: You sure can, Ms. Lee Loy. Go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: You know, as we introduce legislation, if you look at this particular bill, it's upon written request by the Director or a Council Member. So even a bill kind of hitting the agenda, would spark a response, whether it's from the administration or from a Council Member. So as Ms. Villegas said, you know, it's like pulling teeth. Yes, the administration is busy, but once we set piece of legislation into its process, it actually triggers the administration to engage. And so I hear you folks loud and clear. I really did give this a lot of thought, and really tried to work it through its processes. And so that particular section, Section B, really would be where that fuse gets ignited for the administration to engage and provide the information, while any Council Member can supplement with other values that they think that particular legislation might have. I hope that helps. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Anyone else in Hilo? Kona? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Chair? CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Page 30 FC-40 September 15,2020 MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ma'am. I just have a question. I like the intent; I think the intent is good. My question, Sue, would be—it's not the administration, it would just be the Director of Finance. And then, as well there's a reference to the Council Member can request. And then I'm looking at this, and then the follow-up question of me would be, so in any ordinance submitted by a member going forward for the future of this County, what is the process then? Is it that this financial or this Fiscal Impact Statement would be a requirement, or that if a bill were going to have an effect on a revenue, or an expense, or whatever it would be, is there a hold period if it's found that it will have an impact? I mean, what is you know, what are the repercussions of this on someone trying to pass a bill that could be very simple and could have a financial impact on the County, whether plus or negative, but what is the impact on the ordinance itself going forward? MS. LEE LOY: Thank you for that. It really is a supplemental information for us to make a good business decision. It's not for every single piece of legislation. It's upon a Council Member's written request. So other things that might be more carrots than sticks. It really is up to an individual Council Member. We also written in language that it would be no later than the date of the first reading of the proposed ordinance. We all understand all the timelines that we have, around getting things on an agenda. It's my hope that as far as process goes, as we begin to formulate ideas, that some of this is kind of being built in to a proposal. If it's really simple, I don't suspect a future Council Member might ask, but if it's more complex—I consider even our Construction Code amendments, you know, that was a very comprehensive piece of legislation; built into that was fines and fees for building permits. So all of that can be evaluated. In addition to looking at—and again, for example our Construction Codes, if we're generating 100 new permits, that translates into more real property tax dollars. You know, even complex legislation could benefit. Again, it really is just a tool. I hope that answers your question, Council Member. I don't envision it to be for every single thing. But it just helps us understand a little bit more going forward because we know our budget will be incredibly tight. I think Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder mentioned,just GE alone, right? We passed GE for Mass Transit, we're looking at spending money there, but we're not going to see as much GE. So how do we evaluate our choices? Again, I just wanted us to have a guardrail or an eye on—as we introduce legislation; if it's going to have a fiscal impact, what that looks like. And everyone can make the business decision thereon after that. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. So following up on that then, you know, post-COVID, down the line, you know, five years from now, because once this goes into effect, it's in effect. So once we get pass COVID, which will happen at some point, you know, who knows when, this will still be there. Page 31 FC-40 September 15,2020 You know, let's go through the process then. So I submit a bill, or anybody submits a bill, and it comes up; if this fiscal statement is not in before the first reading, and I'm just, you know,just technically speaking, not everyone is aware of when a bill is put in and then announced to the floor. So saying that it would be submitted to the Director of Finance no later than the date of the first reading of the proposed ordinance, would mean that each Council Member would be aware that your bill has been brought andsorry, brought forward,passed through LRB (Legislative Research Branch), and then agendized. And then, we would be looking at it, yeah. That would be our first reading, correct? And there's process there. But usually people are—you know, that's kind of a quiet process. So to know, to ask for this fiscal statement before it's even hitting the agenda would be kind of a feat for any member I think, if that makes sense. We're not—not that you couldn't. Sorry, am I totally ? (inaudible) MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, I'm trying. I'm listening for a question in there. We're walking through the process. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So process-wise, this bill would ask for this Fiscal Impact Statement to be done before the first reading, yes? That's when it has to be requested by the Council Member or by the Department of Finance. Which is an interesting timeline, you know,just from my perspective. You know, if a bill comes in—like if this bill came in, you would have to know to look in Laserfiche to have your impact statement given to the Department of Finance. And then how is the Council Member to submit? By resolution? Like phone call to Department of Finance? I mean, how does the Council Member initiate the Fiscal Impact Statement? MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, it's a written request. An email, a memo, would go to the Finance Director. Again, I'd like to think that our colleagues are kind of thinking through some of this fundamental pieces when crafting. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I agree. They should be, yeah. They should be doing that. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah. So some of the hard corners; some of the information would already be there. And like I said, I just took an example from the Charter and kind of framed it up around revenue impact,just came up with some, four-bulleted items that I asked myself when introducing a piece of legislation. You know, if we want, we can introduce, you know, a framework or what a memo might look like. I have some examples. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: No, this is simple enough. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah. Page 32 FC-40 September 15,2020 MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I guess I'm just wondering, does this have the potential to slow down the process? You know, if you bring something forward and there is a financial impact, does that affect the bill's ability to move forward or does it just become a statement that there will be an impact of some sort? CHR. LEE LOY: I'm smiling real big behind this mask, because we've seen colleagues here vote on things, even when they're technically flawed, and moved them forward. So I don't see—and if there is enough political will to move an intention forward, it will go forward. I don't envision that. I cannot predict what, you know, Council Members ten years from now might be doing. Again, it's just a framework for us to have information to make a good business decision. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Well, Igo ahead, Jon. (Note: At this time, County Clerk Jon Henricks came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. HENRICKS: Sorry. I was listening to the conservation. Procedural wise good questions you're asking, and as well, good responses. Just from an office standpoint of processing paperwork, I wanted to be clear too, when it talks to you know, in looking at this bill, it talks about first reading. We always look at that as "at Council." So for instance, this bill MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, I was wondering about that. MR. HENRICKS: Yeah, this bill today that you're looking at right now is not at first reading, it's in Committee level. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Oh, okay. Okay. MR. HENRICKS: But to your broader question, I don't have an answer as far as, could it potentially delay? It depends upon timing, yeah? Depends on when certain things happen: when the request was made, when we received the information, and then we would number it and provide it to the rest of the Council, how it would envision this working, if this passes. But just wanted to be clear that first reading is at the Council level. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Thank you for clarifying that. Yeah, because that's the process I'm walking through my head. But yeah,just theI guess my question would be then, if the fiscal statement or the impact statement doesn't have an ability to slow down the bill or slow down the process for the Council as a whole, going forward, past COVID, five years from now, then that's okay with me. That's kind of what I was looking at, is how this fits into our process. Does it have the potential to slow things down, that I think it would be good. And like, you know, everything can have an impact, good or bad. Just wondering about the whole process. Page 33 FC-40 September 15,2020 MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, thank you for that. And that's not my intention. And if we need to formulate language around that clarity,you know, I'm open to suggestions. And again, thank you to the Clerk, I should have clearly mentioned the definition of first reading is the Council and not Committee. And we've seen other legislation kind of hover around in Committees for three or four readings, in Committee. So again, I hope that answers your question. It's not the intention to slow legislation down,just to give us a tool to help. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. And then each Council Member could say, "Department of Finance,please provide me a Financial Impact Statement on this bill." It doesn't have any impact on moving forward with the bill at all. It just basically gives everyone an idea. And that becomes a communication that's given back to that Council Member or the entire Council? MS. LEE LOY: The way I envision it, it would be attached as a communication, So just like we had for the CDBG monies, you know how they had that sheet behind it, right, explaining what the resolution does, it would be something similar to that. We can attach it as a communication as it relates to the bill, give it a point number, we can have other people weigh in, and build off of that. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Okay, thank you. Thank you for answering my questions. Appreciate it. Chair, I yield. Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Ms. Eoff, go ahead. MS. EOFF: Thank you, Madam Chair. Good discussion so far. So I was—when I read this I thought that first reading did mean first reading at Council. So I envisioned that if a certain bill had the potential to create a significant financial impact, that by that time either the Department of Finance would provide this Fiscal Impact Statement or a Council Member could request it, you know, while the bill is being deliberated at Committee. And then by the time it gets to first reading, we would have or Council would that information, which should be valuable. Like it says here, it's not mandated. It's something that may be done. And I would think that there is some discretion in there, and hopefully future Councils would be wise and work with the departments to make sure that they can get this information if it's relevant; and if it isn't, then no need. Would be important to clarify that first reading to mean at Council or is that inherent in the words? I wasn't sure about that. Could be a minor language insertion? Mr. Clerk? MR. HENRICKS: Jon Henricks, County Clerk. Maybe. I don't know. For me, that's automatic. first reading means Council. But if you're you know, Council Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder is talking long-term, and when we think Page 34 FC-40 September 15,2020 ahead in time, when we don't know who's going to be there or how they read things. Possibly. We can look at talking with Ms. Lee Loy or somebody else who wants to make amendments about making that distinction. But for now it's abundantly clear on how we operate, and how we read the Charter, and different things we put together. MS. EOFF: I read it as first reading at Council, but then some people may think first reading means when it first hits the agenda. MR. HENRICKS: Yeah. You've been around as long as I have, so maybe we're just—for people that would be newer to the business, so to speak. It might be helpful, yeah. Just to be abundantly clear. MS. EOFF: Yeah. I thought I had one more question or comment, but right now I don't know what it was. Yeah, and I like the fact that it kind of mirrors what we did have, as an addition to our Charter, regarding Fiscal Impact Statements. And it didn't I was wondering how that would work, but when I read the companion to the Charter amendments that's coming forward for this next election, it didn't seem to be that big of a chore to create the Fiscal Impact Statement for each of the Charter amendments that—where it was required. That was sort of an eye-opener. So I was wondering how that would go. And I don't know if the Clerk's office did that—or working with the Finance Department. But maybe a little bit of background on how that went would help us understand how this could be achieved, too. MR. HENRICKS: This is Jon again. As far as how that process that was under the, you know the was the responsibility of the Finance Director and Finance Department. I did have some conversations with Finance Director,just for some clarification on matters so that—she was able to put together the impact statements with confidence. But it's largely their responsibility as it would be under this similar type of policy. MS. EOFF: So yeah, this would fall on the Finance Department, as well, correct? MR. HENRICKS: That's how I understand it. You know, and I think that there are potentially some areas that aren't—like don't provide, you know, exact this, then, that. But I think it's okay. It gives us some space to figure it out as we go, with the goal being of trying not to have this process impact the flow of the legislation, which I understand to be a concern. That, you know, you don't want your tools to become burdensome. You want them to be helpful. So we'd have to say, I think the key to most of this, if I call recall reading it, that it would have to be submitted prior to first reading. So I read that to mean, basically if we get to first reading and we're at the Council level, you know, on that day, then it's too late for that process to occur. A strict reading would mean that, could the Council postpone it at first reading because they wanted that, I suppose so. Page 35 FC-40 September 15,2020 MS. EOFF: Right. MR. HENRICKS: Technically that might not follow the exact ordinance, but I think it follows the spirit of having the Council be the body that decides, through a majority, if it wants to postpone something to get more information. Maybe something that could be clarified, as well. Otherwise, you know, if this passes, then we'll just have to kind of work these things into our timelines and do our best to make certain that we're prepared for the different times these could come in. And naturally under this process, I presume that certain bills for ordinances would be less time consuming for the Finance Department to produce an accurate assessment of the fiscal impacts than others. You know, naturally certain bills, as Ms. Lee Loy mentioned, like the Construction Code, I would think that might take a little more time than something that might be more—less broad and scope. So that's also a factor in timing and getting information available to the Council prior to first reading. MS. EOFF: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. I'll yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Eoff. Anyone else? I just want to make a note for the record that Chair Chung has joined us again. Welcome back. You have any questions on ? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, I have some comments. CHR. DAVID: Sure. Go ahead, Ms. Kierkiewicz. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. A little earlier, I mean, the conversation was a little bit confusing to me. Because, you know, springboarding off of what Council Member Eoff is saying, that with Section BI mean, my reading of it is if you want a Financial Impact Statement, you got it. It's not mandatory. However, the Finance Director can initiate it. And if a Council Member sees an ordinance coming forward, and they are curious about financial impact, anyone of us can make that request. It's not a requirement, but if we want it, we got it. Which I think, given the times that we're in, a financial analysis is a nice-to-have, but because of COVID, and I know the budgetary constraints that we are going to be facing, I feel like it's kind of an obligation. We are going to be having to make some really tough decisions. And if we've got proposed ordinances that are going to have an impact on, you know, things going forward and we're having to redirect money, I think this is a really helpful tool for us to keep that in mind to make a really informed business decision. So I'm going to be supportive of this. I think it is a great foundation for us to work off of. I know all of us got really excited about the work to infuse. I know Aloha Economic framework, AAEF (Rina Aloha Economic Futures), into our decision-making. And this could be that opening. This could be that window Page 36 FC-40 September 15,2020 where we're setting the tone with fiscal impact. And as we hear back from the various directors on how we can begin to analyze impacts to `aina, impact to community. You know, evaluating things from that equity lens. Things that I think government isn't used to evaluating,just a little bit more complex because government is big and bureaucratic. But I think this kind of sets us up for us to be able to integrate some of those value sets and principles into our decision making. So thanks, Ms. Lee Loy,just think maybe some clarifying language. And I thinkI mean, I'm going to definitely be supporting it. So thank you. Chair, I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Anyone else? MR. CHUNG: Yeah, Maile? CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Chair Chung. MR. CHUNG: Thank you. You know, I missed the first-half of this discussion, but very interesting and all good points. Let me just start off by saying though, that at first blush I think this body should be whole-heartedly embracing something like this in as much as we adopted the Financial Impact Statements for the Charter, for Charter amendments, two years ago. But there is a slight difference, and I just wanted to point that out. When we adopted that Charter amendment, it's with the thought that the people who are making the decisions are the voters. And so we needed to equip the voters with every bit of information they could have available to make a good decision, which included fiscal impacts of each Charter amendment. The reason you know, I was the person who introduced that piece of legislation. I drafted it up. But there was a reason why I left out ordinances. And I'm not saying that I'm voting against this, because I will support this. You know, any bit of information that provides more fiscal responsibility is good. But there was a reason why I didn't touch ordinances. It's because the Council makes the decision on ordinances as opposed to voters. We have the information. We can bring up the Department of Finance and ask them what the impacts are going to be. And ultimately, nine people make the decision, and these things are all on the record. And I think as responsible decision-makers, we should be asking those questions. However, what I like about thisI think it still needs to be tweaked. And Ms. Lee Loy has cleverly drafted something which I think, as I said, needs a little bit more adjustment. But now it puts it on the record, yeah. I mean, it could have been hidden away in some committee reports or something like that. I'm thinking there should actually be an affirmative statement on each and every ordinance, just like the severability clauses and all these other things, that states affirmatively what the Department of Finance has said regarding an ordinance. So in perpetuity, people will say, "Ho look, they passed this ordinance even if they Page 37 FC-40 September 15,2020 knew that it had this type of financial impact to the budget,"but they felt that there were factors which outweighed those points. That's just my thought. I credit Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder for bringing up the possibility that this may delay things. I don't think it will delay. And I really do believe that first reading is a term of art, right? But if need be, then you can just say, "First reading at the Council," okay. But what I'm kind of concerned about too is, what about when matters are waived from Committee straight to Council? That's something that we're going to have to think about, too. But the overriding principle here is that we have to demonstrate that we have taken seriously the financial impacts to any measure that we put forth. I think that's—and we work within that framework, and then all the nuts and bolts can be worked thereafter. I think it still needs to be worked a little bit more, Ms. Lee Loy, but I like the intent and very clever how you had put this thing together. Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Chair Chung. Any ? MS. LEE LOY: Chair? CHR. DAVID: Go ahead, Ms. Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: I just wanted to respond to Chair Chung's last comment, about things being waived. This particular ordinance doesn't stop some of the functions of government that we see waived quickly. So if there's a need for a grant to go faster, if there's a need to transfer money quicker, this particular bill doesn't prohibit that and doesn't require. And that was something that was crafted in collaboration with Joe Kamelamela and Deanna, because they had that lens, too. What happens if this just government functions that have to move. So some of that doesn't apply here. But I do hear what Chair Chung is saying and will be looking around an affirmative action statement. I like that idea. And really kind of maintaining for the record in perpetuity, a lot of the decisions and conversations being had when a piece of legislation was being discussed. So I thank everyone for everyone's feedback. I've always listened very carefully, and will be working with my staff and others in the administration to see if we can hover around some of that clarifying language. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Anyone else? MR. HENRICKS: Madam Chair, this is Mr. Henricks. CHR. DAVID: Yes, go ahead. Page 38 FC-40 September 15,2020 MR. HENRICKS: I'm sorry. I misspoke earlier. If I stated, and I think I did, that the Fiscal Impact Statement would need to be received before first reading. It's not. That is not the case. If I said that, which I think I did. It actually says that the request or the Director initiating it has to happen before the date of the first reading. So that does move the timeline further down to allow for, or I shouldn't say to allow for, but less potential for it affecting the legislative flow, if you will. So I wanted to make sure that was corrected for the record, as pointed out by our Deputy. CHR. DAVID: I see. Thank you for clarifying that. Yes, that you did say that. So thank you for coming back and clarifying that, Clerk. Anyone else have questions? If not, Ms. Lee Loy, I really want to thank you. This is a great start, and I think with a little bit more, like you said, tweaking and working on it, I think this will be very helpful in the long run. Well with that, all those in favor of approving Bill 196, and forwarding it to Council with a positive recommendation, please say "aye." Vote on Bill 196: The motion to recommend passage of Bill 196 on (Approved) first reading was carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Poindexter— 1. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Mr. Clerk, I believe that concludes our Finance agenda. So motion to adjourn,please. ADJOURNMENT: There being no further business, at 10:39 a.m. Ms. Lee Loy moved to adjourn the meeting. Seconded by Ms. Eoff and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, Eoff, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Poindexter— 1. Excused: None. Page 39