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Aloha Council Chair David and Council Members:
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On March 29, 2021 I recommended to the County Council that Mark Van Pernis be removed from the
Leeward Planning Commission because of his disruptive and discourteous behavior during
Commission meetings. At its April 6, 2021 meeting, the Planning Committee voted to postpone action
on Communication 183 to their May 4th meeting to provide Mr. Van Pernis an opportunity to improve
his behavior.
I am told that LPC Chair Mike Vitousek sent a written warning to Mr. Van Pernis setting ground rules
for his participation in future meetings and requested a verbal or written apology be issued to Planning
Department staff and his fellow Commissioners. Chair Vitousek arranged for Corporation Counsel to
provide re-training in procedures of the Commission including duties and responsibilities,
parliamentary procedure, Sunshine Law, and County Ethics Code. Based on Council Member
comments, Chair Vitousek coordinated with Planning Department to order a headset so that it is easier
for Mr. Van Pernis to hear and be heard clearly at future meetings; it should be noted that Mr. Van
Pernis has never expressed issues with being heard or understood or asked for any sort of
accommodations. Chair Vitousek also changed the meeting format so that Mr. Van Pernis can provide
written questions for staff and applicants to be read at the meeting, as well as to allow verbal follow-up
questions at the meeting until Mr. Van Pernis is trained in how to use Zoom chat. The written warning
and Corporation Counsel training are enclosed.
Mr. Van Pernis was re-trained on April 13th so that he could participate in the Commission's April 15th
meeting. He did not provide a written or verbal apology as requested by Chair Vitousek. Despite the
efforts made, Commissioner Van Pernis continued to disregard the Chair's instruction and was rude to
an applicant at the April 15th hearing. He was instructed by Chair Vitousek to provide his written
questions (enclosed) in advance of the meeting, yet he provided them to Planning Department staff
about 20 minutes before the meeting started. You will notice many of the questions are repetitive,
irrelevant to the application, and worded in a way to be interrogating. Questions are enclosed.
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Lastly, Item#3 on the April 15th hearing was a difficult and sensitive matter because the Commission
voted to deny a Special Permit for a wedding venue in Holualoa due, in part, to the condition of the
private roadway. The applicants, Kate and Doug Hickey were upset and emotional because they could
tell the Commission had major concerns with the proposal. Instead of showing Aloha towards the
Hickeys, Commissioner Van Pernis behaved in an unprofessional manner showing No Aloha.
I encourage you to view the lack of aloha he displayed at the following video link:
bit.ly/3nAAzFv
(between 5:30:24 and 5:38:24)
The Leeward Planning Commission is made up of volunteers,many of which have full-time jobs, and
are asked to read voluminous applications and reportson their weekends and after hours to make the
best land use planning decisions for our community. They value having robust and relevant discussions
on the effects of their decisions and do not take the task lightly. It is unnecessarily demanding on the
Commissioners when they must listen to repetitious, irrelevant, and often interrogating questions from
Commissioner Van Pernis and especially demanding on the Chair to monitor and discipline his
behavior.
I am again requesting for the removal of Mark Van Pernis from the Leeward Planning Commission.
Should he be removed, I look forward to nominating and having the County Council confirm a new
commissioner that can represent the North Kona community in a manner that treats people with dignity
and respect.
Should you have any questions, please contact me.
Mahalo,
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Mitchell D. Roth
MAYOR
County of Hawai'i is an Equal Opportunity Provider and Employer.
Mitchell D.Roth °'c� '� Michael Vitousek,Chair
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Mayor ;�.,t��` Max Newberg,Vice-Chair
ys Nancy Carr Smith
Lee E.Lord •6 - Barbara DeFranco
illanaging Director �ti'oF'H.4..--- Perry Kealoha
Mark Van Pernis
County of Hawaii Faith"Faye"Yates
LEEWARD PLANNING COMMISSION
Aupuni Center • 101 Pauahi Street,Suite 3 • Hilo,Hawai`i 96720
Phone(808)961-8288 • Fax(808)961-8742
April 12, 2021
Mark Van Pernis
P. O. Box 2156
Kailua-Kona, HI 96745
Aloha Commissioner Van Pernis,
I am writing this letter in my capacity as Chair of the County of Hawai`i Leeward Planning
Commission. The purpose of this correspondence is to document, and to provide a written
warning with respect to behavior that you displayed at the March 18, 2021 Commission meeting
and as well as other behavior that you have displayed at times throughout your tenure on the
Leeward Planning Commission. Specifically, you have displayed behavior, which is
unnecessarily argumentative, adversarial, and disrespectful to members of the public who have
appeared before the commission,Commission and Planning Department staff, and your fellow
commissioners. This includes but is not limited to speaking in a discourteous, accusatory and
condescending manner, questioning applicants or others about matters not relevant to the
pending application not listed on the Commission agenda, conducting your own personal
investigation into matters before the Commission, refusing the chairs requests to limit your
questioning to relevant matters and/or to conduct your questioning or speaking in a civil and
respectful manner, and refusing to disclose information about your personal interest in
applications that you are reviewing. These behaviors, with reference to specific examples are
further described in the subsequent attachment.
By this letter, I make clear that these behaviors will not be tolerated. Your behavior reflects
poorly on all of us as a Commission and detracts from the public perception that this body can
represent our community in a fair, orderly, and respectful manner.
On April 6th, 2021, the Hawaii County Council Planning Committee met to discuss
Communication 183,Mayor Roth's recommendation that you be removed from the Leeward
Planning Commission. At this meeting, the majority of Council members, including those
opposed to your removal from the commission, recognized that your behavior on the
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April 12, 2021
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Commission isp roblematic. One of the concerns raised by the County Council was whether you
had been received adequate training for your role as a Planning Commissioner. You denied
having received training. As Chair of the Leeward Planning Commission, I request that you
refrain from attending any future Leeward Planning Commission Meetings until you have
completed training or re-training on Planning Commission Rules of Practice and Procedure,
Roberts Rules of Order, Code of Ethics, and State of Hawai`i Office of Information Practices
"Sunshine Law". This training will be conducted by the County of Hawaii Corporation Counsel
at a mutually agreed upon time and place. If there is anything I can do to help facilitate your
getting this training as soon as possible and before our next Commission meeting,please let me
know.
Also, at the April 6, 2021 Planning Committee meeting members of the Hawai`i County Council
recommended that you provide a written apology to your fellow Commission members and
planning department staff for the discourteous behavior that you have displayed in the past. As
Commission Chair I ask that you provide the requested written apology and that you confirm the
commitment you made at the April 6, 2021 Hawaii County Council Planning Committee
Meeting to moderate your behavior and to operate within the parameters of the Planning
Commission rules prior to rejoining the Leeward Planning Commission.
Once you rejoin the Leeward Planning Commission following the completion of your re-
training, and the receipt by the Commission of your written apology, I sincerely hope that you
will work with the me as the Chair and with Planning Department staff to implement any needed
procedures and protocols that would improve your ability to effectively and respectfully convey
your opinions and perspective. Again, we will gladly assist in anyway we can help.
After the completion of your re-training, in the event there are recurrences of behaviors
disruptive to the order of the Leeward Planning Commission meetings or which fail to extend
appropriate courtesy and respect to any applicant, County of Hawai`i staff person, member of the
public or your fellow commissioners,please understand that I will not hesitate to exercise
authority as chair pursuant to County of Hawai`i Rules of Practice and Procedure Rule 1-5(j)to
address these behaviors and, if necessary, to remove you from the meeting. I will provide you
with one verbal warning, if you do not heed this warning, I will call a recess and give you a
second verbal warning. If there is any further disruptive, disrespectful, or discourteous behavior
following the recess, you will be removed from the meeting. It is important that we mutually
understand the procedures that will be put in place to maintain decorum. I will apply the same
standards and protocols to all members of the Commission.
If you are to continue to serve on the Leeward Planning Commission under my Chairpersonship,
we will not allow your behavior to diminish the importance of our collective responsibility to
represent the people of Hawai`i County with respect, with fairness, and with aloha. It is my
Mark Van Pernis
April 12, 2021
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sincere hope that you will take this under consideration and reflect on the personal responsibility
that you have to the community that you represent. I believe that if you can conduct yourself in a
manner befitting the Leeward Planning Commission, and avoid conflict of interest,you will be
able to effectively contribute your knowledge to the goals of the Commission in maintaining the
qualities that make our home island unique.
Mahalo,
Michael Digitally signed by
Michael Vitousek
Vitousek Date:2021.04.13
08:14:36-10'00'
Michael Vitousek, Chair
• County of Hawai`i Leeward Planning Commission
Enclosure
ATTACHMENT:
1. March 18,2021: You requested to discuss an item that was not on the posted agenda for that
meeting. As the Chair,I informed you that we could not discuss that item at that time due to
Sunshine Law requirements,but that we could work with Planning Department staff to include it
on a future agenda. You repeatedly attempted to discuss the issue despite my consistent and
polite requests to cease. In order to maintain order and decorum I had to request that your
microphone be muted multiple times.
2. March 18,2021: You mischaracterized statements from other Commissioners by stating that"we
shouldn't do nothing"as Commissioner's Carr-Smith and Kealoha are proposing. The minutes
reflect this is not an accurate representation of what the Commissioners stated. You are entitled
to state your opinion,but it is discourteous to falsely characterize the opinions of your fellow
Commissioners.
3. March 18,2021: When Deputy Corporation Counsel interceded on your line of questioning to
inform you that you were not in compliance with Sunshine Law you said,"don't interrupt."The
Corporation Counsel was visually disturbed by your response and replied, "excuse me". The
Chair informed you that it is the duty of Corporation Counsel to maintain compliance with
Sunshine Law and to intercede when Commissioners run astray of the requirements.
4. October 15,2020: The Applicant Palamanui Global Holdings LLC requested that you recuse
yourself from the proceedings and you declined. You failed to disclose that you reside in the
Makalei Estates Subdivision,which abuts with the Palamanui Project area on the east boundary.
You requested multiple changes to the language of the application, such as removing a
requirement to construct a University Drive to Makalei Drive and replacing Makalei Drive with
the eastern boundary of the property(Condition S),which ensured that University Drive could
not be constructed to connect to your neighborhood. As well as requesting amendments to
language on access to Makalei Estates for work on the water system(Condition Y). You then
abstained from voting on the matter. Your failure to disclose the fact that you live in a
subdivision affected by the ordinance that you were reviewing, as well as your use of your
position on the Leeward Planning Commission to remove language from the ordinance directly
relating to the subdivision in which you reside gives a strong appearance of conflict of interest
and is a possible ethics violation. This potential conflict of interest was revealed at the April 6,
2021 Planning Committee meeting of the Hawai`i County Council during questioning by Chair
Kierkiewicz. This matter will be forwarded to the Board of Ethics for review.
5. Prior to the August 20, 2020 meeting you provided a Memorandum to the Leeward Planning
Commissioners dated July 31,2020. In this Memorandum you state that the reason you
questioned the applicant about his personal bankruptcy at the February 2020 meeting was because
you had previously served as an attorney for an individual that had been awarded a foreclosure
judgment from the applicant and that the applicant had quote: "escaped paying the judgement".
This raises a question as whether or not you utilized your position as a Commissioner to gain
information on a legal matter in which you had been involved in, and whether you should have
recused yourself to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest.
6. Also included in the Memorandum dated July 312020 you state in writing that you personally
contacted individuals associated with the ongoing Pua'a/Suffolk application, and questioned them
on details of ownership and conditions of the ordinance outside of a duly agenized commission
meeting. You then and presented the findings of your independent investigation in writing to the
commission. Sunshine law requires the Leeward Planning Commission receive information as
group,you may not conduct your own investigations into applications outside of scope of duly
agendized meetings.
7. August 20, 2020: Applicant's representative Mr. Sidney Fuke relayed the Applicant's believe
that you have a personal bias against the applicant and requested that your comments be limited
to topics that are germane to the application. Later in the meeting you conducted what appeared
to be a personal attack on Sidney Fuke who was acting as a Planning Consultant for an applicant
stating that representing Pua'a/Suffolk was a"blight on his record"and"he should be
embarrassed."
8. August 20,2020: Your questioning of traffic engineer Randall Okaneku was deemed to be
unduly repetitious by Chair Carr Smith. You became combative with the Chair when she tried to
hear from other Commissioners.
9. September 21,2020: Cross examination style questioning of members of the public testifying in
support of the Hickey special permit application. For example,"are you aware that this
application violates state land use regulations?" The applicant stated they believe that you were
asking leading questions that prevented a fair and impartial discussion.
10. February 2020: Personal attack on Applicant Brian Cook asking if he had ever personally
declared bankruptcy. Applicant asked, "why so personal?"
11. February 2020: Repeated interruptions and hostile questioning of applicant led Corporation
Counsel to state that" If you are not going to act in a civil manner,we are going to ask you to
leave."You responded by telling Corporation Counsel"I think you are out of order."
Bartolome, Pomaika'i
From: Yoshimoto, J
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 4:43 PM
To: Mike Vitousek
Cc: mvpvv@hawaii.rr.com; Sauer, Noriko;Jackson, Maija; Carvalho, Emarie
Subject: Planning Commission Training completed on April 13, 2021
Attachments: Planning Commission Training 04 13 21.pdf
PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION - DO NOT SHARE THIS INFORMATION -ATTORNEY CLIENT-PRIVILEGE
Aloha Mike,
This email confirms that I provided training using the attached power point to Commissioner Mark Van Pernis today,
April 13, 2021 via telephone. The training session was approximately one hour and 35 minutes.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
Mahalo,
J Yoshimoto
Deputy Corporation Counsel
Office of the Corporation Counsel
County of Hawaii
101 Aupuni Street, Suite 325
Hilo, HI 96720
Email: iyoshimoto@hawaiicounty.gov
Phone: 808-961-8251
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From: test mvpvv@hawau rr corn
Subject: Applicant Koizumi,for B&B on RS 20 adjacent to Kona Coastview Sub.,on Mamalahoa Highway
Date: April 11,2021 at 6:53 AM
To: test mvpvv@hawaii rr com
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DID PLANNING LOOK INTO HOW MANY LICENSED B &Bs ARE LOCATED NEARBY, (SAY,A 10 MILE RADIUS IF
THERE'S NO OTHER FRAME OF REFERENCE).?
IF KNOWN, HOW MANY?
DID PLANNING LOOK INTO HOW MANY COUNTY STVR PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED NEARBY, (SAY A 10 MILE
RADIUS IF THERE'S NO OTHER FRAME OF REFERENCE)?
IF KNOWN,HOW MANY?
DID PLANNING LOOK INTO HOW MANY STVR APPLICATIONS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE AREA WERE TURNED
DOWN?
IF KNOWN,HOW MANY?
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From: test mvpvv@hawati rr corn
Subject: Koizumi B&B application. uestions for Applicant
Date: April 14,2021 at 8:07 AM
To: test mvpvv@hawaii rr corn
1. Have you ever applied for or received a STVR (Short Term Vacation Rental)for this property?
If so what was the result?
2 Was there a B&B operation on this property before the Application?
If so,for what periods of time did it operate?
And if so,was there any penalty assessed?
If so,what was the penalty?
3.Do you know how many B& Bs and STVRs,both licensed or permitted and unlicensed or unpermitted,are within a
few miles of this property?(Don't give names or locations,just the number).
If you know,what's the number?
4.Won't people coming to your proposed B&B from the airport use two lane Kai'iminani Drive and then two lane
Mamalahoa Highway?
5.Don't Kona Coastview,Kona Highlands, University Heights,Makalei Estates,Koloko Mauka subdivisions, other
subdivisions,and many,many properties,as well as traffic to and from Waikaloa and the Waimea area, use the two lane
Mamalahoa Highway near this property?
6. Hasn't the traffic on Mamalahoa greatly increased in the last few years,such that sometimes it backs up and
sometimes its very slow or stops?
?,Has there been any traffic study or other work that you're aware of that measures what the traffic is in both lanes of
Mamalahoa and measures or predicts what effect the traffip opMamalahoa the proposed B&B would have?
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8.How do you propose to keep access traffic to the B&B on Leimomi Street,which the Application says needs work,?
9. Is the Applicant willing to agree to a ondition.that all ace to and from thg Prope and the B&B s clusiyely
be on and from Leimomi Street? ®, -I(2 t I q lvr'�- to NI I04 ,cL p f
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From: test mvpvvk hawat rr.cAm
Subject: Planning,questions i v..�CA- IQZ'V
Date: April 14,2021 at 7:37
To: test mvpvv@hawafi.rr coin
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1.Did anyone from Planninggo and inspect theproperty and the proposed access off of Hualalai Road before a
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recommendation was made?
2.Did planning know that Kakalina Street starts off of Nani Kailua in Kailua View Estates north of this and the'Innovations
properties?
3.Did PLanning consider The traffic at rush hours on Queen Kaahumani Highway and particularlythe intersection of
Queen K and Hualalai Road mauka before making a recommendation as to this appiiication?
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Subject. Penal a plication.
Date: April 14,2021 at 11:41 AM
To: test mvpw@hay.aii rr.com •
Questions to Applicant.
1. Your application r fe to 'future Kalalina Street". Isn't Kakalina Street in Kailua View Estates wth access from the
Queen Kaahumanu �y;' utting up to property to the north off Innovations property next to your propery?
Is Kakaaina going to be extehded from Kailua View estates to Innovations and to this property to Hualalai Road?
If not.why not?
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2.Would the Applicants agree to a condition that Kakalina Street be extended from Hualalai to Kailua View Estates so that
this school and Innovations of would have two ways of access?
Would the Applicant agree to a condition that the school not open until Kakalina Street is improved and dedicated to the
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3.(These may be questions for the traffic study consultant). There's more than 350 properties along Hualatai Road
and in subdivisions that have access to and from it.
There's also traffic on Hualalai Road from around Holualoa and points south_
And also a rush hour traffic from Queen Kaahumanu Highway that uses Hualalai Road to try to get around the traffic jam
near Lako Street on the the Queen K, past its intersection with Hualalai down to HenryStreet.
"Mares also traffic on Kakalina in Kailua View Estates.
During rush hours morning and afternoon the biggest traffic jam is in Kona in this area on the Queen K,wth stopped traffic
that emergency vehicles can't even get through, including the Queen K and Hualalai intersection.
Were all these intersections,streets,highways and traffic jams studied and considered in the traffic study?
3.Was any of the traffic study done during the Covid 19 lockdown when most people were staying at home home and
sheltering in place?
4.Would you be willing to c •ition that a turn lane on Hualatai be put in if Kakali®®i�a does;
Estates' ctf� go through to Kailua
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5.Only 400 gallons of public water are presently available,just enough to service the residence the Application says will
go on the remainder of the prope. y Your engineer Mr.Morrison states that an'average of 2270 gallons of water will be
needed. It is stated or implied that the applicant is to and and arrange for the additional needed water.
Are you willing to agree to a condition that the school operation not be opened until that needed water is sourced and
deliverable to the property?
6. .The application says that you.r
will involve up to 87 people,which to me means 87 cars, during the morning
and afternoon rush hours turning from substandard. Hualalai Road,turning onto what your application refers to as"future
Kaka'iaina Road", And then 50 pluscars for other events that are described in the Application_
Would you be willing to agree to a condition limiting such other events to school related and educational events?
7. .The Planning Department,in its proposed condition 7 requires construction of the propose development within FIVE
years of the issuance of a special use permit.
And in proposed condition 15 refers to the possibility of.An unspecified extension of time with conditions at the sole
discretion of the Planning Director,whomever that will be in the future,if you apply for it.
INSTEAD of those two proposed conditions,would you agree to one condition for completion of construction of the
school operation within TEN YEARS from the issuance of the permit,with the permit expiring if there's no construction
finished in those ten years. In other words,a ten year"sunset"provision_ This would bring more certainty to the project
instead of an application and the future discretion of the Director whomever that might then be.
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From; test mvpvv0hawaii rr corn `~
Subject: Penaroza,more questions,continued
Date: April 14,2021 at 7:15 PM
To: test mvpvv^ha.vali.rrcom
18.Who owns and maintains the paved portion of Kakalina Street from Innovations past this property to Hualalai road
now?.
9. Isn't Hualalai bumper to bumper traffic in rush hours during non-Covid times?
10.,Doesn't Innovatons have two access points,on Mamalahoa between Hualalai Road and Nani Kailua to which
Kaklalina is attached,and another one off of kKskalina from Hualalai?
While only one aceesss for your school Is propose off of Kakaalina where it goes into Hualaai?I
So if Kakalina goes ail the way through Innovations would and three access points and this property would have two both
ways off go Kakaina?
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11.Hualalai Rodd doesn't have ans. is where Kakalina intersects, right?
Would yo be willing to build showers on Hualalai Road 50 feet both ways at its intersection with Kakalina/
12. There's curves on Hualalai Road both above and below its intersection with Kakalina,correct?
13.The Kakalina- Hualalai intersection is not very visible from Hualalai Road both above and below that intersection,
correct?
Would you be willing to install turn lanes oh Hualalai Road at its intersection with Kakalina?
14.Would you be opposed to a site visit by this Leeward Planning Commission Planning Commission during a rush hour,
say 4-30 or so is the afternooinvolving Queen K,Hualalai Road, both ends of Kakalina Street,and this this property?
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From: test mvpvv@hawaii.rr.com # 3
Subject: Hickey SPP 21-000222
Date: April 14,2021 al 8:46 AM
To: test mvpvv@hawaii.rr.com
EST1ONS FOR APPLICANT_.-
1.THERE WAS A PREVIOUS DEFERRAL CONCERNISNG THIS MATTER, AND I THINK IT WAS SO THERE COULD
BE CONFERRING WITH OTHER USERS AND OWNERS OF THE ROAD YOU WANTED TO USE FOR GUESTS,
CUSTOMERS AND VENDORS OF YOUR COMMERCIAL OPERATION ON YOUR AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY.
DID SUCH CONFERRING TAKE PLACE? AND WHAT WAS THE RESULT?
2.WILL YOU AGREE TO IMPROVE AND MAINTAIN THAT PORTION CPF THE ROAD THAT GOES TO YOUR
PROPERTY TO TW/i0 LANES T YOUR SOLE EXPENSE, AND TO INDEMNIFY THE OTHER ROAD OWNERS AND
THE COUNTY OF HAWAII A41,TO ANY ACCIDENTS OR CLAIMS BY YOUR VISITORS,GUESTS AND VENDORS
CONCERNING THE ROAD?
3.HAS THERE BEEN ANY PENALTY OR FINE FOR ANY TIME OF OPERATION OF THE COMMERCIAL OPERATION
ON THIS AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY BEFORE THE APPLICATION FOR A PERMIT?
IF SO,WHAT WAS IT?