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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN COUNCIL 2021-05-20 2020-2022 Special Hawaii County Council 141h Session Special Session Hawaii County Building 25 Aupuni Street Hilo, Hawaii May 20, 2021 INVOCATION: Pastor Daniel Tomita of Kinoole Baptist Church gave the morning's invocation. CALL TO The special meeting of the Hawaii County Council was called to order at ORDER: 9:00 a.m., in the Council Chambers, Hilo, by Ms. Maile Medeiros David, Chair. ROLL CALL: Present: Ms. Maile Medeiros David, Chair Mr. Aaron S. Y. Chung, Vice Chair Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Member Mr. Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Member Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member Ms. Heather L. Kimball, Member Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member Mr. Herbert M. "Tim" Richards, III, Member Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member PLEDGE OF At this time, Ms. Kimball led the Council in the Pledge of Allegiance. ALLEGIANCE: STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business, FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items. PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS: (There were none.) BILLS FOR The Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business, Bills for ORDINANCES Ordinances, (First Reading). (FIRST READING): Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 Bill 21: ESTABLISHES AN OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAII FOR THE FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 2021, TO JUNE 30, 2022 From Mayor Mitchell D. Roth, dated March 1, 2021. The balanced budget includes estimated revenues and appropriations of$590,800,952; which represents a proposed 0.8 percent increase compared to the Fiscal Year 2020-2021 Operating Budget. Reference: Comm. 103 Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder(B/R) Approve: FC-42 and Comm. 103.15: From Mayor Mitchell D. Roth, dated May 5, 2021, transmitting Bill 21, Draft 2. Draft 2 reflects an increase in estimated revenues and appropriations of $18,305,559 over the first draft, reflects higher than expected real property tax collections, and proposes corresponding funding adjustments. ; and Bill 21: ESTABLISHES AN OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF (Draft 2) HAWAII FOR THE FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 2021, TO JUNE 30, 2022 Draft 2 includes estimated revenues and appropriations of$609,106,511. Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder(B/R) Motion to Approve: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder moved to pass Bill 21 on first reading and adopt Finance Committee Report No. 42. Seconded by Ms. Villegas. CHR. DAVID: Pursuant to Article 10, Section 10-2, the Mayor has submitted an amended Operating Budget as of May 5, 2021. Just a reminder to Council Members that we have to amend Draft 1 with the Mayor's proposed Draft 2 before we can discuss the amendments. Any discussion? Vote on Motion: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder moved to amend Bill 21 with to Amend: the contents of Comm. 103.15. Seconded by Mr. Inaba (Approved) and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Council Members Chung, Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. Page 2 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 MR. HENRICKS: Now you can move onto the amendments that are posted on our agenda. Would you like me to start reading them in order? ; and Comm. 103.16: From Council Member Susan L. K. Lee Loy, dated May 10, 2021. Allocates (Memo No. 1) $2.5 million to 184 qualifying nonprofit organizations approved by the Committee on Human Services and Social Services on May 4, 2021. Motion to Amend: Ms. Lee Loy moved to amend Bill 21, Draft 2, with the contents of Comm. 103.16. Seconded by Mr. Richards. CHR. DAVID: Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. This was discussed in Committee and it's the work of the Nonprofit Grant In Aid Ad Hoc Committee. And in line with the $2.5 million that has been allocated in this year's budget. I ask for some input. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Anyone else have input? Seeing none, all those in favor of approving Communication 103.16,please say "aye." Vote on Motion The motion to amend Bill 21, Draft 2, with the contents of to Amend: Comm. 103.16 was carried by the following voice vote: (Approved) Ayes: Council Members Chung, Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Mr. Clerk, we have nine "ayes" on amending Bill 21 (Draft 2), with Communication 103.16. Comm. 103.17: From Council Member Maile Medeiros David, dated May 10, 2021, transmitting (Memo No. 2) proposed amendments to the General Fund revenue and expenditure accounts by increasing the Fund Balance from Previous Year account by $675,000 and increasing the Contingency Relief account by $675,000. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. This my proposed amendment, and so could someone please make a motion? Motion to Amend: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder moved to amend Bill 21, Draft 2, with the contents of Comm. 103.17. Seconded by Mr. Inaba. Page 3 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 CHR. DAVID: Council Members, I can relinquish the chair to Mr. Chung while I ? If it's okay with Council Members that I just continue? Thank you very much. This is basically self-explanatory. I really believe that we as a body need this contingency funding for our districts only because of what has happened due to COVID. And I believe we're in touch with our communities and know their needs, and this will really help us to help our communities. I really just ask for your support on this contingency amendment. I yield. Any other discussion? Go ahead, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Chair, I just want to let you know that I would support your amendment. And yes, under the importance of the Council Members' ability to touch each one of our districts, especially given what has happened in the last year and the ongoing emergency as we continue to cede to the proclamation of Governor David Ige. So mahalo for putting this forward and thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Ms. Villegas, go ahead. MS. VILLEGAS: I just wanted to echo that by thanking you for putting this forward. And the rate at which we can the CRF (Contingency Relief Funds) funds to get needed help to the different organizations within our district is really instrumental and I really feel, really important. So thank you, Chair David, for bringing this forward. I think the amount, since being in office we've had a wide variety of amounts of funds and this kind of lands in the middle of that. So I really appreciate your request and for this amount. So I will be supporting this amendment. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Villegas. Mr. Richards, go ahead. MR. RICHARDS: Thank you, Chair. We've sat on Council together for the last four years, and there's no one more critical of the budget process than me. I do appreciate this Administration's way they approached the budget this year. Very cautious going into this. And the fact that we're not really sure where our finances are landing, walking through it very carefully with the $590 (million) as the initial March budget proposed, revised up to $609 million, based upon the revised estimates of what our income streams are. That being said, I'm still concerned about our economy going forward. We're not bounced back yet, and visiting with Finance, our economy is still estimated about 25 percent down, which is a big bite. Chair, I what you're saying about our CRF, and I do hear what the other Council Members are saying, but we've talked about this in budgeting before and we've had so many meetings. Earlier Page 4 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 this week, we discussed budgeting for projects and fully funding, as opposed to partially funding, which maybe get some started and they just sort of run out of gas. So what I'm struggling with right now is would the funding for the CRF be better spent as a consolidated number, say in Research & Development, trying to do something more. Now, I don't disagree that the funds that we expended our districts help out. You know, this last year though with the pandemic, the food needs have been over the top. So I hear what you're saying, Chair. But I'm just wondering if there's a better way to spend some of this money. The way it looks, $75,000 per Council Member, and one of the things is we're not allowed to discuss this unless we're sitting up here on this Council, which is problematic in trying to work this stuff. I am supportive of some, I'm not sure I'm supportive of the full $75,000, because I'm concerned that we could spend a half million dollars in research and development redesigning how we're going to go forward. Tourism has been 40 percent of our economy for a long time. We've talked about changing what we're going to be doing, but we haven't done that yet. To make that change is going to take strong leadership and hard decisions, but to redesign tourism, are we going to do that? If we're going to do that, we need to consolidate and actually do something about that. So Chair, I do support the intent here, the problem is are we going to change? Because this is the time, we're going time we're going to change now, or are we going to go back status quo? And I'm not inclined to go back to status quo. So I'm really on the fence about supporting this. I support the intent, and you know me, Maile, I tell you straight. But I'm wondering if we can spend some of this money for the whole County to put us a better place a little bit from now. So with that, Chair, I'm going to yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Anyone else? Ms. Kierkiewicz, go ahead. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. And thank you for putting this forward. I'm fully in agreement with Council Member Richards. I think at this point we need to find a happy medium. We just got delivered that sack of supplementals, right, understanding what is on the wish list of each of our departments, so I'm a little more inclined to support less contingency money if it means providing additional support and resources for our departments that have had to make some consistent budget cuts over time. So I want to make sure that we are supporting our departments with resources and equipment and training. And if that means we have to share in the sacrifice, fully support that. Yes, I know that this money is important for supporting our communities, but we also increase the amount that we are giving to nonprofits, up to $2.5 million and there's so many other ways in which we can support our communities besides Page 5 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 these hard dollars. We can give of our time; we can share in connection. So very supportive of doing something with contingency funds but would like to hear from some of my colleagues around maybe adjusting the amount. Thank you, I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Anyone else? Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. And thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz, because we're doing amazing work in the nonprofit grant in aid, and increasing that fund—and thank you to members of the Council who voted for that—that was a way to really stretch our dollars, and it wasI'm actually going to pick on Fire Chief Kazuo right now because he walked in. We heard a plea from the Sayre Foundation for just additional—I think it was $40,000 more that would have got them the jet ski. So as I heard Ms. Kierkiewicz articulate that it's kind of a shared sacrifice, right. So if we could actually shepherd more monies directly into services that actually amplifies out in Kona, I think that's a wonderful way that we can really dive into the budget. So I do think there is a need to bridge the gap with the monies, especially our contingency fund. But is we want to be real fair and objective and more of a shared sacrifice, across the island, we've got to get these programs into a process that is fair, objective, and we can understand what the true ask is. So yes, I too can support some contingency money. I just think now is the time where if we put some real pointed dollars into some key and critical need, especially this budget cycle, we could actually kind of springboard forward. So thank you for bringing this forward, Ms. David. I'm going to yield at this time. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Anyone else? Mr. Chung, go ahead. MR. CHUNG: Maybe if I could call up Deanna, Finance Director? (Note: At this time, Finance Director Deanna Sako came forward to address the members of the Council.) MS. SAKO: Good morning. MR. CHUNG: Hi Deanna. CHR. DAVID: Morning. MR. CHUNG: You know, I'm just wondering. After I ask my question, then you can answer it and then give your thoughts on this amendment. But you know,just drawing upon experience was this a situation when the Administration drew up the budget and left out the contingency, a situation where you guys knew full well that there might be a move to try to get contingency back and so Page 6 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 there's some padding. You know, we've seen that before, right, with the band. And you know, was that a situation, or what is our fiscal picture. MS. SAKO: See, we really tried to present a conservative budget. You know, we are not out of COVID yet. We don't know what the coming year is going to bring. Yes, a lot of people are vaccinated, but you know, we also see things going on in India and other places and we don't know what's going to happen. So we really try to present a conservative budget. And so you know, that was part of our plan as not to put in things that maybe weren't, I won't say not necessary, but you know weren't a have-to-have type of situation. Chair David did ask me if we had sufficient funds or if I thought there was enough flexibility and yes, there probably is enough flexibility to cover this amendment, but I think there are others hitting Fund Balance as well and we cannot you know keep using Fund Balance for every single amendment. So while yes, there is enough to maybe cover this one, I think there's going to be choices as to how you guys want to spend that money. MR. CHUNG: How does our fiscal picture look this coming fiscal year as opposed to last fiscal? MS. SAKO: So we at least now have last years' experience to guide us for the coming year. So we did have some real property tax collection issues, you know, there are various taxpayers that are struggling to make their payments. But we also had a lot of people who made their payments. So we continue to budget cautiously, and we did budget a four percent uncollectable amount for real property taxes. This current year we actually were at seven percent. So we know that some taxpayers are going to continue to struggle. In addition, we're going to be getting the American Rescue Plan funds and we're still putting our package together for that. We know that we'll have to spend money continuing to do testing and supporting the vaccination centers and things like that, but we're still looking at what this coming year's going to bring. MR. CHUNG: Thank you, Deanna. These are my thoughts on this matter. Deanna kind of touched upon it, right. You know,you cannot really say that the contingency uses are not as good as what the Administration would have proposed. It really comes down to one man's need is another man's poison, right? But you know, over the years I've defended the contingency program. I've been apologetic towards it, but I have to say this. This is a big amount. $75,000 each Council Member in the throes of the aftermath or maybe even lingering effects of the pandemic situation. Like some of my other colleagues, I would be more amenable to a smaller amount possibly using Fund Balance. I'd prefer using the Fund Balance to taking away from other programs. I'm looking more along the lines, if anything, Page 7 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 I would actually think that zeroing out is the more appropriate way to roll. Because I've heard during the course of the last three months a lot of talk about we have to be fiscally responsible, we have to do this, we're looking at tough times. Then when we come here, the budget, three out of four amendments have to do with increasing what we get to personally distribute out to our communities. All good, but— You utYou know, I've been looking at some of the resolutions that have been coming out, and I'm kind of concerned. You know, I've defended this program in the past saying that I think as recently as a year and a half ago, I said that no, I've looked at the resolutions and I think they're responsible. I will say this, some of it is not responsible. And it amounts to, I'm going to say this for the first time, it is, I'm not going to say a slush fund for Council Members, but it certainly gives Council Member incumbents way more of an advantage over any other person who wants to run for this office. No question in my mind. That being said, the Administration also has a slush fund too, hidden in other ways. So they've got their stuff too. I understand that. That's politics. But this really is a self-serving measure. I mean no offense to Maile, okay? $75,000 each person in the throes of a pandemic? I don't know. I can see $20,000, $25,000. If this passes though, you guys can expect that I'm going to be looking over each of these resolutions really closely to make sure there's no conflicts, no weird stuff going on. Because I have seen some bad things that have raised my hackles over the last year and a half. Another thing that I'm really concerned about is this. Last year we passed a bill that created a two-tier taxing program. Basically taxing those people who have second homes on the island that are worth more than $2 million. Yeah, and you know, it was all under the assumption that they are people who can afford a higher tax. We raised how much, Deanna, about from that one? Eight, yeah, about$8 million? About$8 million. In the meantime, we raised our nonprofits about anywhere from $1 million to $1.5 million. Now we're looking at adding another $600,000 to that. Basically our ability to provide to nonprofits, and I'm using nonprofits because most of what I've see has been to nonprofits. Fresh Onishi in the past said we should really pare this thing down to make sure that we're sending monies that can be quickly used by the departments. But it's more into this thing where we give to nonprofits. So basically, we're going to be giving over three point some-odd million dollars to nonprofits. Now there was a bill that I had advanced earlier, and it really didn't—there was not a good response either from the Administration or my colleagues, that would have at least allowed the people who are paying for these extra monies to have some self-determination in providing where those monies go to nonprofits. So now we're going and use our own judgement to use their money to go and give to nonprofits in our districts that can feather our nests? I don't like that. Page 8 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 So anyway, it's a handy tool, and I don't mind a lesser amount. But$75,000, that's way too much. Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Chung. Anyone else? Ms. Kimball, go ahead. MS. KIMBALL: Thank you, Chair. As I often do, I walked into this conversation not exactly sure where I was going to sit. So I appreciated all the comments from my colleagues, and I appreciate a couple of comments from yesterday. One from Council Member Kierkiewicz and from Council Member Richards about the value of investing large sums towards things to ensure that they are successful as opposed to doing things piecemeal. Then another comment I believe Council Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder made with regard to the nonprofits, is this really our role. And going through the budget—this is my first time—and I've had this conversation with Chief Todd and actually with the Mayor and Managing Director Lee Lord. I'm not impressed with this process. We're balancing these little lines here and there. It's a big list, but I think in the future we need to really go to that budgeting for outcomes and say this is what we want, this is our role, and then match up the line items with that. To that end. I mean we can't do that right now. We don't have enough time. But let's talk about that. Thinking about what our role is though, I mean protect health and safety. So funding Police and Fire, making sure that our roads are safe, making sure our bridges are safe, making sure our parks are safe. I see the need to invest in those larger projects: wastewater, another one that we need a lot of money towards. There's two different ways to respond to crises in my mind, which we have been through with COVID. One is you are conservative; the other is you throw money at problems. And that's what we see Biden Administration doing. We have the American Rescue Plan, we have the American Jobs Plan, we have America's Family Plan, all putting money out to restart the economy, invest in infrastructure. And while I appreciate Deanna and the Administration's desire to be really conservative, I'm one of those that you invest money when there's a crisis and you get the economy going again. So let's invest in our functions to protect the safety of our community. I'm interested in a comment that was made by Council Member Chung about how the contingency funds, they rely on our judgement for those funds. That's our job, actually. We are hired, elected by our constituents to make decisions and contingency funds do go through the process where we do have a second glance. The value of them is that they're flexible. The flexibility. There are things that come up that we don't know about. Certainly that happened several times with COVID. So in closing, I know that was a lot, maybe more than we needed on just this amendment, but support the intent to have the contingency funds. Because we Page 9 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 do need a small pot that is easily accessible and flexible. I would have to agree that I think the $75,000 is too large. And let's put more of that in big chunks towards these other things that we need to address, like wastewater, like equipment for Fire, bridges, roads,parks. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Mr. Inaba, go ahead. MR. INABA: Thank you. I just want to offer my support for this amendment. The Administration had an opportunity for this Draft 2 to include funds, especially after was an increase in the budget. And to know the value of this CRF and not to have given one penny forced members of the Council to go and write these amendments. So that's why we're here today hearing three different amendments throughout the day. I'll be supporting this amendment. It is a big chunk of money and if this passes then I would encourage us all to find those big pukas in the community, in our departments, who've expressed to us their needs and help both the nonprofits and our departments. So that's all I have to say on this matter. Chair, I yield. CHR. DAVID: Mahalo, Mr. Inaba. Everybody finished? Mr. Kaneali`i- Kleinfelder. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Where to start? This is funny. Not too long ago, within 10 to 15 years ago maybe some of the members on this very body, sitting on the same Council then, there was a$3.1 million Contingency Relief Fund that was created. I'm just saying that, because although we can all sit here and talk about whether it's political, whether it's useful, whether it can go to nonprofits, whether it can go to departments. I mean, I myself have given to Parks and Rec for different things in my district through my Contingency Relief Funds to better the district itself and County facilities. We can have that argument, but in reality this is a very small ask. I would say though, I mean as much as we hear and have been told that we're in a complete economic downturn, our real property taxes have remained on point, there's some much-needed TLC that needs to go into our economy. I know as a business owner I can see that myself. But these funds can be focused in the areas where the Administration may not see fit, where the community needs a better facility as far as a park. I mean we know the uses of these funds and it's more than political, it's an ability to fix each one of our districts. I mentioned the $3.1 million because I mean, that's almost$900,000 per Council Member. And given that there was a different economic viewpoint at that time, I can understand the difference, but in this case, you're asking for $75,000 a year for each one of us to use towards our districts. Specifically to the individual uses, whether it's water spigots, whether it's a nonprofits, little fire ant program, whether it's DPW facility hardening, I mean, it could be anything. But these Page 10 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 funds are incredibly important and have only been highlighted during COVID as how important they were. I know each one of us has done a tremendous amount with those funds to help each one of our districts to take care of things that we can. Because only we can see some of the issues that are presented. I really appreciate this amendment today by Ms. David. Even yesterday watching some of the Council Members be brought to tears by providing CRF funds to graduation ceremonies, and then today to calling them political. It's more than political. This is how we take care of our community. I'll be supporting this amendment today and I hope everyone else does too. It's an ability for each Council Member to really nail down specific uses in their district. And given this emergency and if it's persistent and there's an increased need in our community in the next month or six months, these funds could not be better put to use than through each Council Member. So mahalo for bringing this forward, Ms. David. And mahalo, Mr. Inaba for pointing out that we wouldn't be here if that had been zeroed out completely in this year's upcoming budget as year as every year after that presented budget. So thank you. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Mr. Chung. MR. CHUNG: Thank you. With regard to Ms. Kimball's analogy with this small amount to the Biden infrastructure plan, the County's infrastructure plan is this. Last year or two years ago, the Council initiated a bond float, $103 million specifically with an eye towards the possibility that we may be heading towards a recession. And it is coming. The recession is on the way, okay. And that's how you use big amounts of money to infuse into the community large amounts of money to keep jobs going. I also read in the paper, I don't know if that's correct, that the Administration is now looking at adding more monies as an impetus to keeping our economy going. That's the infrastructure plan. That's the revitalization plan that we all bought into. Look, if it passes today, which I'm going to be voting against, I'll use the money, you know, and I'll weep again if need be, okay? Get that straight, Mr. Kaneali`i- Kleinfelder. You're an ass. Point of Order: MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Point of order, sir. CHR. DAVID: Excuse me. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I would ask that you keep your comments to what's in front of us, and of course decorum. MR. CHUNG: Let the Chair do that. Page 11 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 CHR. DAVID: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Mr. Chung, I think we need to get back to our comments that is MR. CHUNG: I make no apologies for that. CHR. DAVID: No, I don't I think so, but I think we're all responsible to keep a decorum here. MR. CHUNG: I don't like these hidden inuendo aimed at me or anyone else. I don't appreciate that. CHR. DAVID: Okay, I don't—Mr. Kaneali`i-KleinfelderI'm going to take a recess. Recess: At 9:50 a.m., the Chair called for a recess. Reconvene: The meeting reconvened at 10:22 a.m. CHR. DAVID: Aloha everyone. I'm taking the Special Council Meeting out of recess. Thank you for your patience everyone. Before we move on, I'd like to express on behalf of the Council my apologies for that unexpected recess and I would ask that we as a body here conduct ourselves as professionals as we can and respectful of each other so we can move on with business. And thank you all for your patience. Mr. Clerk, who had the floor when we MR. HENRICKS: Mr. Chung had the floor. CHR. DAVID: Mr. Chung has the floor. Okay. MR. HENRICKS: Yes. I believe his absence is yielding the floor at this point in time. CHR. DAVID: And just for the Council's and the public's information, Mr. Chung had submitted a letter early this morning that he had to leave at 10:00 o'clock this morning and he'll be back as soon as his appointment is over. So right now Mr. Chung is absent. So do any other Council Members have comments on Communication 103.17? No? I can talk last, right? I really appreciate everyone's comments about how important contingencies are. I totally understand how we as a County need to address things in the big picture and do things,put our money where you know, Ms. Kierkiewicz has explained and I totally agree with that, but I also agree that contingencies—I've been around when contingencies were, I think Council Members had $300,000 when I first started as a Leg. Assistant to former Council Member Pilago. That was, you Page 12 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 know, an obscene amount of money. And to tell you the truth, I think that was too much. Because having to do the contingencies, it's in a whole year—$75,000, I am just asking that I felt I didn't pick that number off the top of my head. I picked that number because in my district as in other districts, it's not to help only nonprofits. I think in my district, which I can only speak for, our park facilities are in such disrepair, even $75,000, if I wanted to help Parks and Rec fix the Yano Hall basketball court that a testifier talked about, $75,000, I would dump all of it there to get that done for the people. It's not enough. I tried when we had $35,000. Thirty-five thousand will not do any justice to a Council district that stretches from Kealakekua to Volcano Village. That will not even go anywhere. But I try on things that really will help the community as little money as we had last year. This year, $75,000, lots of needs. I'm looking at the supplemental budget report, okay? Now, it's up to each Council Member. These are items that departments are really, really struggling to have, but they couldn't get. And my idea with $75,000, I want to make a difference. I want to use that money to fund some of the things that really is in the supplemental list and things that need addressing, our parks. I felt really bad for Ms. Vitousek yesterday, because what she told me or us in her testimony, it's not like we haven't tried. But money is always the issue. So if our people have to go without because there's no money to help them, it's not for nonprofits. I really would love to help our departments. So to me, $75,000 to help departments with maintenance, providing toilets that have been inoperable for years, you know, that can be taken in one fell swoop. But contingencies, when you do something for your community, the community appreciates it because they notice that some little thing happened that wasn't being done for years. To me that's unacceptable. So I'm just going to try to do the best I can with the $75,000. It's totally up to each one of you vote as you choose whether this is too much money, or it's going to a place where you feel it shouldn't be going at this time. But I'm just telling you how I feel this $75,000 is going to really benefit my district. And that's all. That's all I have to say. So, Mr. Clerk—Anyone else? Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. Who was first? Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. And thank you for the latitude because we know that normally you speak—and you know I wanted to hear. I think—and actually I was around too, Chair David, when contingency monies were a whole lot more. They were called pork barrel monies, and they were leveraged to do Page 13 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 big things. So as we look back historically at how this kind of evolved, we're here. So speaking to the amendment, I really maybe have a suggestion. Maybe we could put a pin in this, because we also have two others and we're going to hear reasons why, you know, some of those amendments were put forward and how they were navigating the money out of certain funds and what the reasons are. And I think it would begin to give this entire Council a better picture of how each individual is approaching the budget. I would love to hear how others are thinking on this collective $600,000 budget that we have to pass. Just borrowing from something we've had in the past, Chair David, we've actually been able read in all of the amendments so we could talk about them in context with one another. Because my challenge right now even after our recess is we begin to still have very siloed conversations and points of view because we have to speak specifically to the amendment in front of us. So if I may offer that, and just put a pin in it so we can begin to hear other context about how we are all approaching the budget. And I have big needs in my district. I have a wastewater system, I have the dump, I have all of our community facilities. And so I am trying to figure out a way to put very strategic monies in places, because the facilities I have in my district serve an entire half of the island. I did want to mention related to parks,predecessors of mine have put money into parks for big projects, and I'm still waiting to realize a skate park. So I even become challenged. I appreciate money to fix a basketball hoop. But when we're trying to lift up big projects in a district that serves an entire island, it has to be more focused. So that's my request right now, Chair. So thank you for the latitude. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Mr. Richards, before I call on you, Clerk, I need to ask Clerk a question. Did we have a preference, and I might have forgotten, that all the proposed amendments could be read in all at once and then we can have that latitude that Ms. Lee Loy is speaking of? MR. HENRICKS: To read them all in at one time or not is, I don't think it really affects the proceedings one way or the other. These are all documents that are in good standing. It's up to the Council if it felt like the deliberations weren't on point. So if a Council Member wanted to talk, to compare proposals, I personally don't see that as problematic, but that would be up to you folks to decide whether or not the conversation is problematic. CHR. DAVID: Well for me I think it makes sense because then we can have a combined conversation. Because we have duplicative requests for contingencies Page 14 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 and if we can do that, what would you suggest? Do I just table the 103, or we just read in? How do I ? MR. HENRICKS: In my opinion, you could discuss 103.18, 103.19, while this is on the floor, or you could have Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder withdraw his motion, which it doesn't preclude making another motion on .17. But laying on the table is only for main motion and everything that is with it. So it would be withdrawn to make a different motion to amend or continue the discussion with the understanding that all three amendments are open for discussion to, you know, have a full discussion. CHR. DAVID: Okay. Council Members, what's your preference? I mean, I think that's a great idea, that we are able to talk about all these proposed amendments and not have to pick and choose before we talk story about it. So Mr. Richards, go ahead. MR. RICHARDS: Chair, I was actually going to make that suggestion to get away from the silo legislation that we sometimes channel ourselves into. I think it's a great suggestion and put it all on the table. Because they are obviously very closely related. And so I think what the Clerk said, we could discuss all three just under one because they are of the same topic. But I think it makes more sense to put them all on the table and then we can talk story back and forth and compare and contrast. Because I've got some pretty strong feelings about this but I'm definitely hearing what you're saying Maile. I was able to get water to one of my parks with contingency. So I'm not in disagreement with, but I've already articulated that. So Chair, I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Mr. Inaba, go ahead. MR. INABA: Yeah, I don't support putting it all on the table. We have three amendments before us right here, and I think we can all understand what's going on. So I don't support that. But if the Council wants to talk about it all at once that's fine. CHR. DAVID: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, go ahead. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I echo Mr. Inaba's comment. We do have three amendments. They're very clear and straight forward. Each of us came into this meeting understanding in full what they were, and they're very clear. So I'd like to just move through each one as we go and then make the decisions appropriately. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. Go ahead, Mr. Inaba. Page 15 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 MR. INABA: Sorry, one more thing. I just want to add that although they're similar, I don't want it to get confusing, this conversation. Because not all the money that is being moved is being pulled from the same source. So that's where I think it might get messy. If we want to take Memos 2 and 4 together since they're source of funding is the same, from which the funds are coming from, I can support that. I don't support Memo 3 being included, because it can get confusing. I just wanted to put that out there. CHR. DAVID: Duly noted. Thank you, Mr. Inaba. So we can actually proceed as we're going along then, given the unless someone else really no? Okay. Well, let's continue. Any other discussion on 103.17? Ms. Villegas, go ahead. MS. VILLEGAS: I just wanted to circle back on this. I mean I actually have Memo 4, which is coming up, which is just a different amount. I'm grateful for those of us who put in for contingency funds, otherwise I'm afraid we wouldn't have any. I appreciate the conversation around grant in aid and the allocation of the resources from that program. Unfortunately, I still haven't seen the printout of the distribution based on areas. Just in looking at some of the other distribution, for instance for myself I recently gave $5,000 to Parks and Rec for the summer activities at Old Airport. We don't have a Boys and Girls Club really, in Kona. But with grant in aid, 18 percent of that went to those programs around the island. So for me with District 7, the contingency funds allow for that more precise giving and also to nonprofit work that doesn't particularly align with what a grant in aid nonprofit might be. Whether it's lighting up downtown, helping with a tree trimming to light a Ficus tree so that areas of town are safer. That wouldn't necessarily fall in a grant in aid program in that capacity. So you know, my first term when I came in, I had what was left of Dru Kanuha's contingencies, and I believe it was $10,000 or $15,000 left. Then the following year the CRF requests that passed was for $100,000. Then this last year going into COVID, Mr. Chung brought forth the $30,000 or $33,000. So there's this variable. I will honestly say that I intended to put in a CRF for $75,000, the same amount as Maile, but there was a crosswire for me, and my office and it got put in at$35,000. Which then when I saw hers I thought okay great, we're covered. So we've got this broad spectrum and this range. I also want to echo Mr. Inaba's acknowledgement of it was disappointing to see the second draft of the budget come out and zero contingency funds but with a $19 million increase in the budget and still zero allocated for contingency for Council Members. So to me that wasn't an indication that we're in as dire financial status as before could have been assumed because of the coronavirus and the issues we're facing economically. Page 16 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 So for me, I feel perhaps because it lies somewhere in between the contingency fund amount from first year to the next year to this year, so I feel more comfortable. I continually come across things in my district where people are just, you know, for a couple thousand dollars can make a huge difference to do something that we can plug those gaps. I really totally feel like we want to get the big stuff done too, but just to have that a couple thousand dollars to throw at something that bridges that gap and gets their projects, their facilities, things that need to happen that as we all well know in our community, a couple thousand dollars can be a couple month's income for some situations. So I just want to say that I stand behind this amount. If my colleagues don't agree, that's also okay and we can head on to the next one. But I just wanted to share those perspectives and my gratitude, Chair David, for bringing forth this amount and for the opportunity for us to make sure that we do have some resources to allocate specifically to the needs of our specific districts, which are very diverse based on our different districts. And I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Villegas. Anyone else? Seeing none, Mr. Clerk, roll call please. Vote on Motion The motion to amend Bill 21, Draft 2, with the contents to Amend: of Comm. 103.17, failed by the following roll call vote: Failed Ayes: Council Members Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Villegas, and Chair David—4. Noes: Council Members Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy and Richards —4. Absent: Council Member Chung— 1. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: The measure failed. MR. HENRICKS: That's correct. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Just for the record, the measure fails. Alright, can you please read in Communication 103.18. Page 17 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 Comm. 103.18: From Council Member Holeka Goro Inaba, dated May 12, 2021, transmitting (Memo No. 3) proposed amendments to the General Fund expenditure accounts by decreasing the Department of Research and Development's Tourism Promotion, Miscellaneous Contract Services account by $359,000; increasing the Contingency Relief, Miscellaneous Charges account by $225,000; increasing the Fire Department's Fire Protection Equipment, Fire Station Equipment account by $50,000; and increasing the Department of Parks and Recreation's Parks Maintenance Other Current Expenses, Building and Construction Materials account by $84,000. Motion to Approve: Mr. Inaba moved to amend Bill 21, Draft 2, with the contents of Comm. 103.18. Seconded by Mr. Kaneali`i- Kleinfelder CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Mr. Inaba, go ahead. MR. INABA: Mahalo. As I said earlier, I do believe that contingency funds are important. But after our first Special Finance meeting for the budget, we saw departments were definitely in need of further financial support to do the good work that our community expects from our County government. And that's through emergency services and our parks facilities. So this is the money I found, and I did call Director Adams to let him know that I'd be writing this amendment, being a bearer of bad news. And I want to start off by saying that this is no reflection of the work that Director Adams and Deputy Ghandi do. This is something that I have kind of zeroed in on from before I became a Council Member and even going back to when my mom was the director of the department. I feel that this money can be better used elsewhere, but like I said at the last meeting, we have goals that state that tourism is compatible with historic and natural resources, that it's not intrusive on our local communities, that it helps to strengthen private, public and international partnerships, and makes us a resilient community. I don't believe that to be true as we've seen over the last year. With tourism gone, we were in the hole. I'm sorry that this Administration, if this measure passes, is not able to prove the use of these funds in that department. But the intention was to get some contingency funds for the Council,just $25,000 apiece and to increase park maintenance this budget by $84,000, and the Fire Department's fire station equipment budget by $50,000. I want you folks to know that currently there's only $13,128 in that line item for all stations for the entire fiscal year. Some of our firefighters have had to contribute their own personal funds to make sure that there is an air conditioning in fire stations with no windows. These funds could go to help purchase those kinds of equipment and other perhaps more life-saving equipment. Page 18 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 So at this time, I first want to call up Director Adams from R&D (Department of Research and Development) so he can share at least what these funds have been used for, and I want to also mahalo Director Mo Messina and Chief Todd for being here as well. (Note: At this time, Research and Development Director Doug Adams came forward to address the members of the Council.) MR. ADAMS: Thank you, Chair. For the record, Director Doug Adams from the Department of Research and Development. I did want to start by thanking Council Member Inaba. He did give me a call. He was very sensitive to the concerns that he anticipated that I would have with the fact that we would be potential 13 percent cut in our budget, 32 percent cut in our Innovation Grant RFP (Request for Proposals) amounts. Not insignificant when we're looking at our concerns. I would indicate also that the funds that we're talking about are for Fiscal Year 2021-22. My ability to tell you what those funds are going to be used for actually is, I think we've mentioned in the past,problematic because we depend on proposals that come in as a part of our RFP process. So we as a matter of fact just received 53 proposals to our Innovation Grant RFP yesterday. The deadline was yesterday at 4:30, so I know that we have 53. I can't tell you what they are partly because of the way the process works as well, which is I'm not supposed to know. There's a committee that's going to know and then they're going to tell me. So I don't get to cherry pick these kinds of things, there's a valuation purposes and processes associated with that. But 53 is a good number and we'll see where that goes. I do agree with Council Member Inaba in the sense that the idea was particularly as expressed in our tourism strategic plan that was for 2020 to 2025, inside that plan, it identifies the potential to use the COVID-19 pandemic as a measurer, as a way to kind of stop where we're at and then see where can we go. In that plan, the idea of responsible tourism,place-based tourism, the idea of pono communications, and then a focus on infrastructure, are the forefront of the plan. Our ability to execute that plan depends on our ability to spend the money that is included in our budget. Removing $359,000 out of a $459,000 budget focused on tourism doesn't necessarily allow us to do that. Particularly when we have the time right now to do it. There is work already underway by County personnel with the Action Cohort work that's being done in our culturally and historic significant sites, a number of those. We are working with the folks at the State Hawaii Tourism Authority through the Destination Management Action Plan. Much of the work on the Destination Management Action Plan, the actions themselves and the sub-elements of those actions are designed for us to work precisely on the things that Council Member Inaba is concerned about. The idea Page 19 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 of making sure that when we have visitors here, that the visitor industry here is connected to the identity of the island and not just on top of it. So that's the purpose. That's where we're moving. Removing these funds doesn't help us get there. It actually makes it much more difficult. You asked me, the Charter asked me, and you have asked me to make sure that we're focused on the economics, the economy, our environmental issues, cultural issues, and our community issues. That's our responsibility within the department to the County and to the island. All of those are part of our tourism plan. All of those are part of our Destination Management Action Plan work. We need the funds, however, to be able to do that. I think we already know important tourism, the visitor industry, is obviously to our economy. It's also vital to the ability for folks to have jobs. So I could spout numbers. That's not the point. You all have heard those before. The key is we have to move out of this particular emergency. We've had several in the past as well but this one has taken the visitor industry down in a major way. Our ability to re-stand it up in a way that makes sense to our island, that's what you're asking me to do. That's what you provided me the funds to do. Taking the funds away from me won't necessarily get that mission accomplished. I'm prepared to answer any questions. MR. INABA: Thank you. Out of respect for the other the Chief and Director Messina here, I'd like them to share just their part. And if you could stay for questions. (Note: At this time, Parks and Recreation Director Maurice Messina came forward to address the members of the Council.) MR. MESSINA: Maurice Messina, Director, Parks and Recreation. MR. INABA: Good morning, Mo. Just if you could share with us where these funds would be used exactly and how they can help your department to ensure that we have quality facilities for our keiki and our makua and our kupuna across the island. MR. MESSINA: Sure. First off, I just want to acknowledge that I'm not advocating taking money from another department to be put into my department. So this .299-line item, this is for our parks maintenance repair budget. This is where all of our funding for electrical supplies, plumbing supplies, fencing supplies, all that comes out of. The Administration did help us out with shoring up this line item, so we appreciate that. Before this $84,000, there were approximately $700,000 in this line item. So that brings it about$784,000, $785,000. Page 20 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 For instance, with this, what comes out of this line item, I'll just bring up two examples. First one is Hilo Bayfront soccer fields. When someone came in and vandalized the entire, almost every toilet restroom fixture in there. We had to shut down the entire facility until we could get our plumbers in there to take care of it. Seeing that all the fixtures were old and we didn't want to put porcelain in there again that would make this happen, we used all the money out of this line item to upgrade the facility,put in all the fixtures. The same thing happened when we were vandalized at the Waimea Park, when we had to shut down that, replace all the fixtures. Every fence that goes up in County Parks and Recreation comes out of this fund. Every time we need to put new gravel down, it comes out of this fund. Electrical, water, everything else. So that's basically where we're at. Like I said, we do this is one of our most utilized funds out of that Operating Budget, but again, I cannot advocate taking money from another department to fund this. MR. INABA: Thank you, Director Messina. I want to call Chief Todd up real quick. I'm sorry, Council. I know we might have questions for all of them, but I just want to make sure everyone says their piece and we can ask the questions as they come. (Note: At this time, Fire Chief Kazuo Todd came forward to address the members of the Council.) MR. INABA: Good morning. Same question for you. $50,000 is written into this amendment to go to fire station equipment across the island. If you could share what these funds will be used for and how it's going to benefit not only our first responders, but the community and the visiting tourists who the department serves. CHIEF TODD: Okay, so obviously this started when Council Member gave me a call and said if I needed money. And of course my answer was yes. Yes, I need money. I didn't realize, Doug, that it would be coming out of your budget there. The line item this is for is basically our equipment line item for Fire side of our department. I have an image here, and I wanted to get it up on the screen. I'm not sure if that's possible. Maybe we can try this. Maybe not. I don't know. So basically, our line item right now is $13,000 a year. This provides all the equipment for the Fire Department for anything that we have on a fire truck. Page 21 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 (Note: At this time, Chief Todd referred to an image being displayed on a projector screen. To view the image,please see the DVD copy of the meeting on file in the Clerk's office and online in the Council's video archives at http://hawaiicounty.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=1.) So what you can see here is a picture of a fire truck and all of its equipment laid out. I assure you this is not my Fire Department. My people are not that lazy. However, it is a very nice graphic showing kind of what goes into a fire truck. Now this isn't your standard fire truck, it's a rescue truck of which I do have two on this island that are specialized in rescue. And you can see a lot of stuff laid out on the ground, right? Well basically this line item does not cover everything you see. The fire truck is a different line item and the firefighters themselves are obviously paid through the salaries and wages and the equipment that they are currently wearing, their gear, comes out of yet another line item. However, everything after this line right about here going up would come out of this $13,000 or has been fed to us through grants or other things like that. So you can see quite a variety of things that are showing up here. So let's talk about a little of the things that we pay for that go on top of a fire truck or go on top of a rescue truck or one of the variety of pieces of equipment that we have out there. Right off the top of the bat, this is kind of a black square that you see up over here, these are for us to play tic tac toe professionally no, they're actually used to lift up vehicles. So we're able to hook them up with basically some compressed air that's in our SCBA (Self-Contained Breathing Apparatus) systems and so if there's a car accident, there's a vehicle, there's something crushing down, we're able to slide these into really narrow spaces. Because they're about three-quarters of an inch thick, and then we add them up to our air systems and we're able to push some air in and we can lift vehicles off of people that are trapped or do things like that. A set of this equipment right here goes for about$15,000. That's for one truck. So times that by the 25 trucks I have on the island, and you can see that starts adding up to a lot of money. They also only last about 10 years because the rubber is not guaranteed to not have degraded at a certain point. So if you think about it, I need about$30,000 a year just to replace these on their regular expiration date. All the ones I have out there in the field right now have been funded through grant money. Luckily the Fire Department is something that people like to give money to, but I think it's sad that our budget line item to go and replace the equipment doesn't have enough money to even deal with one of the items that you'll find on the truck. If you go a little bit farther down, you're going to see a lot of equipment. Like here, this is for shoring up inside areas like trench or if we have to go into confined space areas. A set of equipment like this can run anywhere from $40,000 to $100,000. Luckily this kind of equipment doesn't bad generally speaking, so we'll have those set for many, many decades. The hoses themselves Page 22 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 generally have a five-year shelf life, and a set of hose can go for $300 for one length. So it is also expensive because it needs to be life-safety rope as opposed to just general utility rope. Now, this $50,000 that Council Member Inaba had talked to me about, one of the things I pitched to him initially was this set of equipment right here, which is a jaws of life set. Now these jaws of life sets run for approximately $34,000 right now, and every year they get just a little bit more expensive. They are a lot better than when I was a firefighter running on the line, as back then we also had to bring big old generator and a bunch of hose that went with it, and then you had to find a nice flat space for the generator to sit down. The new ones nowadays are actually built in, and they run off batteries, and they have internal hydraulic systems. But in the last seven years the Hawaii Fire Department has not purchased a single set of this through our own funding. We have been by having the Sayre Foundation and grant money through the Department of Transportation to provide our newer sets. Without those sets I wouldn't even have enough to put on our Fire Trucks. Currently if one set breaks out in the field, I have to scavenge from some 20-year-old stuff and send them out, one of those generators with a lot of hose that's kind of old and beaten up to keep them running. But at the moment that is a critical need for us. So by having the $50,000 added to this line item, it allows us to purchase one of these sets. We're still not going to stop going after the grant money and the DOT funding and helping the Sayres give us some things that are nice. They're wonderful, wonderful people and they've given us millions of dollars of stuff, but if we could get one from grant and one from the funding in this line item, that will at least keep us with parity. We have over 20 of these sets and I need a couple just be sitting waiting to go out there in case a set breaks or we've got to send it off for repair, because it's not going to be repaired on this island. It'll allow us to just keep parity with what we need to have to keep one set of extrication gear to cut open a car, deal with other things like that. Additionally, that's the only thing we have on our fire trucks. We have chainsaws, we have K-12 saws, all of these things run anywhere from $800 to $1,200 per saw. And a fire engine may carry one or two, or at least one of each of things. You add in the ladders, which don't last forever, and a variety of other equipment, and you can see I have a variety of needs. And that's just the equipment on one style of truck, of which I have multiple styles of trucks, and we didn't even get into things like the stoves and air conditioners and refrigerators that are breaking on a regular basis on our island. Oh, and I should also, mention, Council Member Kierkiewicz, thank you very much. The other year you did put some money in this fund so I could buy a lawn mower which we needed, because we also by those as well, since we maintain our own lawns. Page 23 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 So I'm not advocating necessarily to steal money from Doug. But if you were to take the money, this is what we would us it for. MR. INABA: Thank you very much, Chief Todd. I'll yield to my colleagues so they can ask their questions. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Inaba. Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. First of all for Council Member Inaba, I think he's underscored why I asked for so much of this information to come out. Because it seems like we're trying to align dollars behind Fire or into Parks, or how we bridge the gap with our contingency money. In having sat here for a few years now for a few years now, when you pit the departments against each other, it's jam up. So they don't want to take from one another. So we as a body have to figure out where to grab the money from. Or maybe grab is the wrong word but align them better. And so speaking specifically to the amendment, I agree that we need more money in Fire and Parks, especially those repair and maintenance or equipment, I do not agree with it coming out of the R&D account because some of the work that we did with the nonprofit grant in aid was encourage them to also apply with the Innovation Grant. So we've started a process so we could align those resources better and then align them with other philanthropical dollars. So it's challenging because we're bound by the Sunshine Law, that we cannot have these big-thinking conversations about how to align our money. I am willing to try and put together a hybrid between contingency focusing our money in Parks and equipment for Fire or other things that I hear from others on this Council. And you know, something Ms. Kimball knows, budgeting for outcomes, a needs assessment, you know, all these tools that would help us focus the funding better. So I support where the money's going. The challenge is where it's kind of being decreased from and realigned to. Those are my thoughts. So thank you, Chair. I yield at this time. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Ms. Kierkiewicz, go ahead. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. I'll springboard off of Council Member Lee Loy. Really appreciate you putting this forward, Holeka. Definitely support Fire and Parks, but I just have major concerns about pulling from tourism funds, specifically because we want our tourists when they come to come and be pono and responsible tourists. And when we take away this money, we are not going to be able to articulate that message. Page 24 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 You know, Mother's Day weekend, I was down Waipi`o with my family. Not really thrilled with how individuals were conducting themselves. Just this past weekend, took my kids down to Four Mile. We swim to the little island, me wanting to talk story with everybody around us, heard some college kids like, "Oh, let's go snorkel here." Not a good idea. Had they gone, would have put serious strain on our lifeguards,potentially deploying folks at the Waiakea Station to do a search and rescue. They just didn't know. So I think if we take money away from tourism, especially this marketing piece, we're not going to be able to articulate, "When you come here you've got to be pono, you've got to be respectful, you've got to know before you go." All of these really important messages that we have to be able to articulate. So definitely support Council Member Lee Loy's suggestion to create some sort of hybrid. The amendment that we had just talked about, you know, didn't pass, so see that there is potential to be pulling from Fund Balance to be able to support Fire and Parks and also land ourselves a little bit of contingency money. Which we all agree we want and need. I just offer that mana`o. Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Mr. Richards, go ahead. MR. RICHARDS: Thank you, Chair. I'm going to echo again Council Woman Lee Loy and Kierkiewicz' statements. You know, what Ashley just talked about, Council Member Inaba, I agree with the funding side, and I get it. And Chief and I had long conversation, talk story, about the equipment side. The bigger picture is that we're a poor County relatively speaking, meaning we are a huge geographic. We have needs for the community, for the County, and we don't have the population base, thus a tax structure that supports all the needs. So how do we give you those up? I do support your intention on this, fully support the intention on it. You know, we're very fortunate that Daniel Sayre Foundation helps us bridge some of this, but not all. That being said, we still have to seek further funding. The thing that Ms. Kierkiewicz touched upon, I think more than ever the funding for R&D and the whole tourism side is important going forward. What I mean by that is that I think we have to work harder on our tourism aspect as far as redesigning how we are going to have them function in our community going forward. Looking—and again, in the economy stuff, previous conversation we were discussing our GDP (Gross Domestic Product) and our impact, and we're down about 25 percent in our economy overall, the last year. The State economy is only down 10 percent, so again, our economy took the bigger hit. As we retool, as we redesign going forward, I think the opportunity for us to handle those resources comes in a very vibrant economy going forward, which means we have to design it. We talked about it for the last year, we haven't done anything. Page 25 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 So I'm very hesitant on taking funds. I'm actually more interested in assigning more funds, again touching on previous conversations, where we fund something to make it go forward. A very good friend of mine who, we were discussing tourism and she's not here anymore, but she said, "You know Tim, we have to keep our tourism authentic. It has to be respectful. It has to be very mindful of the impact we have on the community, the lands, the people, all of that." In order to do that, we actually have to do something different. So though I support the intent and the direction of your funding, I don't support the sourcing of the funds. But I like the idea of working collaboratively to come up with a structure that we as a Council could all sign on to. Again, I think we need to be very mindful of the funds going forward. And if we can come up with something that I think is the right direction—I want to support Fire, I know we need to support Fire. They rescue people in my district all the time. In fact, they just did, and put out a fire. But the point is I think we have to look at a bigger picture because we've got to get our economy up and running. That's where I think R&D really needs to be there. So as your amendment is written, I can't support it. I support the intent and the direction, but I can't support it because I think we need to steward a little bit better. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, go ahead. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mahalo, Chair. Thank you, Directors, for coming in today. I support the amendment, Mr. Inaba. No question about it, and with all due respect to Mr. Adams. Reason being COVID gave us a brief pause as a community and as an island, as a County, as a State, and maybe as a nation; global even, to reassess what has always been the norm. For the most part what I've heard from people is they'd like to see less tourism. When we focus on providing an experience of any kind, we're focusing on ensuring tourism drives in and does well. As a business owner again, I understand that. A large part of our business was based on tourism dollars. I'd say 30 to 40 percent of our business. Yet, I don't know how many people in this room even enjoyed those moments of going to the west side, the east side, going to beaches and having them almost absolutely empty. There's a beauty in that that we will not get if we focus on increasing tourism. We're seeing a huge amount of real estate sales to outside residents from the mainland, and it just continues to take away and strain the services we already provide, from sanitation to our wastewater. I mean, every single service we provide at the County is incredibly strained by the amount of tourism coming in. So our focus does need to be on smart tourism, but at the same time, getting Page 26 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 away from that model of being more sustainable as a community. As this is that precursor to that happening, then great. There has been some great come out of your department. You have your Hawaii Strategic Tourism Plan. If that is encompassed by these funds, then there will be a loss there if that was not to continue, because that was good work that was done by Frecia. Yet, I like what the intention here is and what's behind that. So I will be supporting your amendment today. Thank you for putting it forward. I yield, Chair. CHR. DAVID: Thank you Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Ms. Kimball, go ahead. MS. KIMBALL: Thank you, Chair. Doug, could I ask you to come up? I have some more clarifying questions. Thank you. Of this $359,000, how much of that is utilized for the Innovation Grant? (Note: At this time, Research and Development Director Doug Adams came forward to address the members of the Council.) MR. ADAMS: All of it. MS. KIMBALL: It actually this is all for the Innovation Grant. MR. ADAMS: $459,000 is tourism. $359,000 comes out of it. All $459,000 is part of the Innovation Grant. MS. KIMBALL: Great. What process do you use to select grants—and full for disclosure, my office did put in an Innovation Grant for the HSAC (Hawai`i State Association of Counties) convention. So I'm not asking for special treatment. It's already gone in. So what I'm wanting to discern is, you can't tell us how that money is going to be specifically used, but maybe in terms of the process that you use to select grants, you can tell us what the department's intention is. MR. ADAMS: Certainly, and I will not read the entire evaluation process that comes out of our RFP, but I would tell you that we have a three-phase approach. So first phase is obviously a screen, making sure that the proposals that have been provided are giving us the information that we were asking for at the beginning. Then the second phase is the initial proposal evaluation. We have a six-member committee that will be looking at it. It's the folks that run it, right? So that's the folks that actually run the contracts. The other members of the committee by procurement requirement. So they will be going through the variety of proposals that we've received, they'll be looking at and scoring based on the categories that were part of this proposal guidance and instructions. The requirement is that there is a minimum of threshold of 70 that proposals must meet from the scoring. If they don't, then you don't move forward. Those that Page 27 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 do meet that then advance to the phase three. Then the priorities are identified at that point. I would tell you that in the evaluation categories in phase two, the maximum amount you can get is 100. We look at project impact. So how well does the proposed project advance the department's goal and program objectives and clearly demonstrate economic and equitable benefits to Hawaii Island residents. We added equity in this evaluation this year for the first time. Then also the extent to which the proposal reflects a coherent and feasible approach and a reasonable timeline for completion of work, and clarity with which specific roles and responsibilities are defined. So that's project impact, maximum of 50 points. Project innovation, maximum of 10 points. The demonstration of an innovation in program delivery or product adaptation, and the justification for that innovation. Fiscal capability and accountability is a maximum of 20 points. I think most folks understand that. With the understanding that there is an extent to which the proposed program sustainability. The idea there is we're not paying for the same program year after year. The idea is let's see what you've worked, and then also how this is going to be fiscally capable, yet a capacity for this to be sustainable. And then qualification and experience, another 20 points, having to do with the organization and the work that they've done in the past. So a total of 100 points, those are the basic categories. You see the impact of impact on the potentials scores. Then going into and looking at the priorities based on those criteria and then any discussion among the members of the committee itself. Did that—? MS. KIMBALL: To some extent, I think that answers it from the mechanical standpoint. I'm actually interested from the philosophy is going to take towards tourism under your guidance MR. ADAMS: So let me then answer that specifically. MS. KIMBALL: Yes. MR. ADAMS: So in the goals and program objectives, which are vital to the work that the evaluation committee will do, for tourism, the tourism program's guided by the goals of the Hawaii Island Strategic Plan that we've talked about. Those goals, responsible tourism,pono-based visitor communication, place-based education for residents, and infrastructure. So those pillars. We'll be awarding grants in the range of$5,000 to $25,000 for initiatives that align with the program objectives, including the interpretive pilot programs at culturally and historically significant sites, implementing the actions that are Page 28 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 found in the Tourism Strategic Plan as well as the Destination Management Action Plan from HTA, because there's some synergy there as well. Then the idea that an additional component where we are engaging or hiring residents who have place-based knowledge and experience to identify, map, and document natural and cultural resources for example, Engaging our high-end residents who have place-based knowledge and experience to develop appropriate strategies and products to brand and share the culturally and historically significant sites, engaging existing or new Hawaii Island-based businesses and interpretive programs, and training materials on the culturally and historically significant sites to appropriate visitor industry stakeholders. That last one is pretty important. This is where we're talking with the industry about education and making sure that our visitors as well as our residents have an education, as Council Member Kierkiewicz talked about. There's an education component to the places that people tend to go so that they understand both the history of it, the importance of it, and also what not to do while you're there. MS. KIMBALL: So I don't want to words in your mouth, but would it be fair to say that the bulk of this funding is not so much focused on more, more, more, bringing more people in at all costs, but is actuallyI hate to use this worda bit of a pivot to addressing some of the impacts that we've seen over the years with the level of tourism that we've had on our island and the impact that it's had on local residents and cultural resources. MR. ADAMS: Yes. MS. KIMBALL: Thank you. The reason I spent so much time on this is because, you know, I was fortunate enough to sit through the budget discussions with R&D, and I think there is this assumption that tourists, money spent in this is really just to bring more people in at all costs. And what we've really seen is a pivot, to say okay there's been negative impacts, that we need to do a little something about it. You brought up Waipi`o which is of course something that I've heavily focused on. We don't know what sort of budget situation HTA is going to be on. I always like to just bring up, you know, at one point in time, we switched from sugar cane as our primary industry to tourism. And if you look at how much economy we have developed in that process, it was a success story. So we should give ourselves a pat on the back for having had experience with successfully transitioning our economy. So we can say that we may have that opportunity to do it again. With some of the things that you're doing, Doug, I think that's important to help us do that shift. Page 29 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 So that was my long way of say, Holeka, fully support funding for Fire and for Parks, yes, Chief Todd and Director Messina, and share my colleagues' position that this may not be pot to pull it from. Thank you. Thank you, Doug. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Anyone else before we go second? Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Director Adams, for explaining that Innovation Grant. I'm just going to make another plug and thank you to my four ad hoc committee members. Because as we look at our nonprofit grant in aid fund and how we align with their goals and objectives and their scoring, begins to amplify the dollars. So I just wanted to touch on that. I also want to see through that innovation process if we can start inviting more nonprofits who specialize in the cultural intelligence piece. I have so many in our charter schools down in Keaukaha in Pana`ewa, and I just, I'm trying to figure out a way to alert them to this opportunity, which will actually get to some of the goals and objectives which Council Member Inaba and myself really hold near and dear culturally. So thank you for articulating that and sharing where that money comes from. Chair, I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Anyone else? Mr. Inaba, go ahead. MR. INABA: Thank you to my colleagues for sharing their mana`o, and I just want to add, you know, at some point, maybe not this year, but I don't agree that this amount of funding should stay in this line item. So I guess we can expect that next budget something else will be coming from me. But I don't think the efforts, and this is not directed to the current leadership. But the efforts to ensure that our visitors are being pono and that there's this sense of authenticness, it's just not translating in my opinion. So I don't think this is fiscally responsible, and that's just my piece. Mahalo. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Inaba. Anyone else? Corp. Counsel, please? (Note: At this time, Corporation Counsel Elizabeth Strance came forward to address the members of the Council. CHR. DAVID: Please identify yourself for the record. Thank you. MR. STRANCE: Thank you. Elizabeth Strance, Corporation Counsel. May we take a short break before you vote on this amendment? I want to double-check that Council Kimball does not have a conflict to vote on this, given that she disclosed she made an application for a program which would be cut if the amendment passes. I just want to double-check that it's a simple disclosure issue or whether it's a conflict issue. Page 30 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 CHR. DAVID: Appreciate that and thank you for coming forward. We're going to take a short recess then. Thank you. We're in recess. Recess: At 11:24 a.m., the Chair called for a recess. Reconvene: The meeting reconvened at 11:33 a.m. CHR. DAVID: Aloha everyone, and welcome back to the special meeting of the Council. Thank you, Corporation Counsel Strance, for taking that recess and would you go ahead, please, and explain? MS. STRANCE: Yes, thank you. After looking more carefully and doing a little more research, discussing with Council Member Kimball and clarifying the line item which this proposed amendment affects, the line item is within the same grant application that Ms. Kimball disclosed. So we've determined that it would be a conflict of interest, or at least safer, since our office isn't the Board of Ethics. But it appears to us that there is a conflict because there is a direct affect on the line item and that grant application. I just wanted to thank Council Member for making the disclosure so that we could make a more careful evaluation of that. MS. KIMBALL: Chair if I may? CHR. DAVID: Mr. Kimball, go ahead, yes. MS. KIMBALL: I just want to thank Judge Strance for catching that and keeping me out of hot water. And I certainly be recusing myself gladly from the vote on this amendment. MS. KIMBALL: Okay, I have one question before you leave. So the grant application was for HSAC, right? So it doesn't matter that HSAC isI mean the people that are on the HSAC or involved with HSAC, does that even apply? Because HSAC is a County organization. It's just a question, because since she disclosed, she's applying on behalf of the HSAC MS. KIMBALL: Although I'm applying as myself, not as HSAC, the entity. CHR. DAVID: You as President? MS. KIMBALL: As Secretary and the person responsible for the convention itself. But I see your CHR. DAVID: Yeah, I'm just asking since we're being cautious. Page 31 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 MS. STRANCE: So when Council Member Kimball made the disclosure, I understood and analyzed it in the context of it was something that she made an application for. How far the tentacles expand for that, I'm not I think the further away it gets from the direct applicant, the further away it gets from the conflict. You wouldn't want to have the entire Council have to recuse itself on a budget consideration, so I think for the rest of it, you've now made the disclosure of the relationship of the Council to the organization. But it was direct application by Ms. Kimball in her capacity as a board member on that committee. So I think CHR. DAVID: Makes sense. MS. STRANCE: Yeah. Clear as mud. CHR. DAVID: I just needed to ask the question. Thank you. Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: I'm so sorry. Judge Strance can you repeat that, because I think I have a question or a follow-up to that. MS. STRANCE: Which part? It's always dangerous because I'm thinking and talking at the same time. So I'm not sure I remember exactly what I said. MS. LEE LOY: For Ms. Kimball being the applicant and as it related to voting on the measure. MS. STRANCE: So I analyzed the conflict issue based upon Council Member Kimball's representation that she made an application. Now we've determined that she made the application in her capacity as an officer of an organization that has some relationship with the Council. At some point, you know, every budget item that you vote on will have some impact on you. So there's, you know, how far are you going to take it, right? So in light of Ms. Kimball's direct application, I think it's closer. Now in light of the disclosure that the organization—she does not benefit personally financially, it actually takes her conflict a little further away. So I didn't look at it that way. I looked at it in terms of an organization that she made an application for. So the conclusion that I was reaching was that there was a potential financial benefit to her. And the Ethics rules want you to avoid appearances of quid pro quo, especially when there might be a financial benefit to a Council Member. I did not look at it in terms of a financial benefit to an organization where she is a member and a volunteer member where she doesn't get financial benefit. So I actually it takes it further away. And that's what I have to say about that. Page 32 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 MS. LEE LOY: So bright line, it would be a personal financial benefit to the individual, which would rise to the understanding of conflict whereby recusing yourself, and we're not there. MS. STRANCE: Correct. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. Got it. Chair, I yield. CHR. DAVID: Alright, so now we are yes, you have that same look as I think I have. So now based on what she was saying, Ms. Lee Loy was saying, does she have a conflict? Because of the discussion that the application was done not in her individual capacity but for HSAC? MS. STRANCE: I fell like I'm in law school with a hypothetical. If it's not hypothetical, I MS. KIMBALL: I think this is pretty complex. The way I view it is if you look at who signed on to the grant, it's me in my capacity as the representative, as the Secretary for HSAC, as the Council Member for District 1. I'm fine with just recusing myself and just moving on. I think you folks can make the decision without me on this one and do just fine. So I realize it's not definitive, but I'll just make it easy and just recuse myself from voting on this. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Go ahead, Ms. Lee Loy. Thank you for that, Council Member Kimball, which leads me to we have other members who are planning the HSAC conference who this funding will help advance the other work that other members of the Council who fit on the HSAC committee will benefit from. And that's why I'm kind of like, this is getting kind of messy I think, and I don't know if we should have applied for that grant now. But that's my question. She was the applicant, yes. However, other members of this Council also sit on that planning committee, which would be voting on this issue also. MS. KIMBALL: If I may interject. I mean, you're the attorney here and you would have the expertise. But I think that gets us into the weeds. I mean, if you take it to that extent, there's nothing about the legislative budget that we can vote on right, because it all impacts our ability to function in our Council Member capacity. I mean the ethics rule as I understand it is really personal financial benefit, and this is going to an organization. So it's diffused and not that individual benefit. But I'm not the attorney, you are. MS. STRANCE: No, I think you're right. Because it is this quid pro quo personal benefit issue. The reason for the disclosure which you made is for the rest of the body to be aware of it and you can have a discussion about that. There's not the personal relationship, but with most ethics' issues there's the Page 33 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 secondary self-reflection on whether or not you're being motivated you feel personally that you're being motivated by the impact it might have on some other activity that you're involved in. So that's where it gets a lot more murky and that's where ethics becomes a lot more personal for each member to have a strong sense of what motivates them. So if there's in the back of your mind, you know, I don't want to vote in favor or against something because of how it might affect some project that I'm involved in, then you have to ask yourself whether or not you're being fair. But there are other things, and you make these decisions all the time, that the reason that you're voting on these amendments is you have opinions about how money should be spent to best affect the community. So I think the disclosure is probably the right thing. Given the deferred benefit. I misunderstood you when you made the comment about, you know, "I made an application," and so there was the alarm that went off in my head was, "Oh is there personal benefit, is there a possible quid pro quo, is there now you have an advantage or disadvantage now based upon that disclosure." So those were what were going through my mind. And I do think that there's that distinction between personal financial benefit and something else. And the ethical rules are really clear about the personal benefit. MS. KIMBALL: So with all that, and you're also an attorney. So you can weigh in, and again, I'm happy, if we want to err on the side of colleagues have done in the past, I'm happy to recuse myself and just move on. CHR. DAVID: I think it's up to you, Ms. Kimball given our discussion. But the advice as I see it from Corp. Counsel, this is not a personal. MS. KIMBALL: Great. Okay, thank you, Chair. CHR. DAVID: Anyone else, before we MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Yeah,just one clarification, sorry. CHR. DAVID: Oh thank you. Go ahead. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: You know, I thought the discussion led us to a place where we were going to consider pulling this back and work on a hybrid. I just want clarification. I wasn't aware that we were going to actually move forward with a vote given the discussion that we had. CHR. DAVID: Did someone make that suggestion? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: It just seemed like that's where we were going, of looking at other pots of funding to fund Parks and Rec and Fire. Page 34 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 CHR. DAVID: I'm going to call on Mr. Inaba for that one. MR. INABA: Who wants to do that? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: I'm working on a series of amendments. I can work with you on this particular one for second reading. MR. INABA: The amendment don't include these departments, the ones you're working on? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: They would. The suggestion I had earlier was based on the fact that 103.17 didn't pass, there's a desire for a bit of contingency money, and so when Deanna came up earlier and said we have x number amount that she was willing to allow us to pull from Fund Balance, in my mind I thought we could use Fund Balance to do contingency and also provide Fire and Parks with the funding they needed for these particular line items. MR. INABA: I guess we can put it up to the Council vote. If you want to help me on that, then that's fine. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: I guess my suggestion is we don't need a vote on this matter, we can simply withdraw it. Is that correct, Chair? CHR. DAVID: Okay, so what I'm understanding is you will be working with Mr. Inaba to bring back another proposed amendment that would eliminate taking the funds from the tourism promotion line item, but in that amendment, you would be funding the contingency and the rest. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Just Fire and Parks. We have another matter coming before us related to contingency. MR. INABA: You know what? No. Sorry, I'm not going to support that. The whole idea is that I don't support the funds staying where they are. I won't be supporting—we will vote on this if you folks wanted today. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. I was just looking for clarification. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Thank you, Mr. Inaba. Is there any more discussion? Seeing noneoh, go ahead, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Perhaps could we as a body postpone this item to the next reading? CHR. DAVID: No. Page 35 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 MR. HENRICKS: No. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: How come? MR. HENRICKS: Because this is a motion to amend. Right? You postpone main motions. You can't lay it on the table, you can't postpone this subsidiary motion. It's either withdrawn or you vote on it. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Can it be brought back in a different form? MR. HENRICKS: Anything that's new is new. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Are you reaching for your button, Ms. Lee Loy? MS. LEE LOY: Thank you for the latitude, Chair. I'm going to go right back to I support the intent. I definitely will be working hard to identify sources of funding that puts money into Fire, Parks, I also want to see some money going to IT. So I'm actually enjoying what I'm hearing from members of the Council so I can shape that type of amendment. And I also like hearing that Ms. Kierkiewicz may be putting together a hybrid too. But thank you for that input because now I understand better what the goals are for all of us here. So I'm not going be supporting this amendment. Thank you, Chair. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Are we ready to take a vote on this? Alright, Mr. Clerk, roll call please. Vote on Motion The motion to amend Bill 21, Draft 2, with the contents to Amend: of Comm. 103.18, failed by the following roll call vote: Failed Ayes: Council Members Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, and Chair David—3. Noes: Council Members Chung, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy and Richards —5. Absent: Council Member Villegas — 1. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: For the record, Communication 103.18 failed. Alright, we can move on to our next item. Page 36 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 Comm. 103.19: From Council Member Rebecca Villegas, dated May 12, 2021, transmitting (Memo No. 4) proposed amendments to the General Fund revenue and expenditure accounts by increasing the Fund Balance from Previous Year account by $315,000 and increasing the Contingency Relief, Miscellaneous Charges account by $315,000. Motion to Amend: Mr. Inaba moved to amend Bill 21, Draft 2, with the contents of Comm. 103.19. Seconded by Mr. Kaneali`i- Kleinfelder. CHR. DAVID: Ms. Sako, you're being asked to the table, please. (Note: At this time, Finance Director Deanna Sako came forward to address the members of the Council.) CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Sako. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So I have two questions. We received a pinky this morning, 103.20. When do we discuss that? Or can it be brought up any time as it touches on supplemental requests. MR. HENRICKS: It's available. It's part of the package, I would say. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. MR. HENRICKS: That directly pertains to Bill 21, and maybe 22 as well. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: In regards to this, you mentioned earlier there's a bottom for you for the Fund Balance as far as what you want to have remaining in that Fund Balance. What is that number? MS. SAKO: I'm sorry. I'm not sure I understand. So when we budget, there's a revenue item in the budget that says, you know, Fund Balance from Previous Year. So I don't know that it's a bottom—I mean we're trying to project what we feel Fund Balance will be there, you know, at June 30'', which is not yet here. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, well right now it's at— MS. tMS. SAKO: $31 and some million. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, what is the preferred amount in your Fund Balance if you got to the end of the year this year, and you said, okay, there's $10 million, there's $5 million, there's $0. I mean, what is that amount? Because as we—if there's more amendments brought forward that pull from that Fund Balance Page 37 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 MS. SAKO: Are you talking about excess fund balance? MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Wherever these are coming from, Ma'am. MS. SAKO: Okay, so right now, our projection of Fund Balance is $31,096,000. That's what we used to balance the budget. When Ms. David called and like yes, there probably can be, you know, a little more. You know, we can't predict it exactly. We still have a month and a half left in the fiscal year. Departments are still spending. So we do try to go a little bit conservative, but I can't tell you, "Oh yeah, you can go up to " a certain amount. I mean we're still the County is still functioning right now, and still spending money. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, so the ball is moving. What do you expect the Fund Balance to be then? MS. SAKO: We are predicting $31,096,000. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That's what you're expecting? Is there a minimum there that has to be present for a Fund Balance? MS. SAKO: Well, if we do not—so let's say Fund Balance comes in—we close the books at the end of the fiscal year and Fund Balance is only $25 million, then we have to come in and amend the budget because that would be a substantive reduction in revenue. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Thank you. Since we're waiting for Rebecca, can I ask about the supplemental requests, or do we have to motion it in? That was the question. MR. HENRICKS: It may be better for when the main motion is on the floor, as amended, when get back to that point, rather than have it on a specific proposal. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Thank you. I yield for now, Chair. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. I guess, let's take a really, really quick recess and wait till Ms. Villegasoh, here we go. Ms. Villegas, your amendment was moved onto the floor. We're now in discussion. Go ahead. MS. VILLEGAS: I think that through the conversation and all the topics touched upon while talking about Memo 2, kind of incorporates the intention of Memo 4,just at almost exactly a half the amount. So I just see this as a good compromise after today's adventurous conversations. So I'm hopeful that this amount might be considered as something that's appropriate based on our current budgetary constraints, also our budgetary surpluses, and that this might be able to be the solution for the needs for our different districts in this amount today. Page 38 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 It sounds like there are intentions for further amendments that may involve other moving around of funding from other lines items in order to specifically meet the needs of Fire and Parks and Rec, So I just want toI guess I see this placing forward the amount to check the box to take care of contingency funds so as we continue to navigate our budget amendments, that one's already on the side, and that one's kind of buttoned up. So I ask for your support, but I'm willing to hear everyone's input and see where we stand with this particular amount for Contingency Relief Funds for this upcoming year. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Villegas. Anyone else? Any comments? Go ahead, Ms. Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. Again, it continues to underscore why this conversation is the way it is. You know, I can support this amount and as the introducer mentioned, it kind of stakes and puts a pin in what we all collectively can agree upon. I think my next challenge is the supplemental request we have coming forward and how all of that conversation I wish could come out. So at this time, I can support the amount, but really would rather see a hybrid of all the goals that members of this dais is talking about altogether in one, and really show some unity. We got off to a rough start, gang, and I'm willing to do the hard work and come up with a hybrid after listening to everybody today. If I could get some feedback if this is an amount that, you know, sits well with individuals, that definitely is something a hybrid would see. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Anyone else care to comment? Ms. Kimball, go ahead. MS. KIMBALL: Thank you, Chair, and thank you Council Member Villegas, for giving us another choice today on this particular aspect of the budget, the Contingency Relief Funds. To answer your question, Sue, I think this is appropriate as a starting place,just like the Administration brought up. Basically a status quo budget. This keeps us as status quo for contingency funds and at least puts that pin in it for further discussion. I think we've all agreed that some level of contingency funding is important, and this for me seems about the right balance as we move forward. So thank you again, and I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Mr. Chung, go ahead. MR. CHUNG: Thank you. First of all I want to apologize to you for putting you in a tough spot about an hour ago. Page 39 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 CHR. DAVID: Don't worry. Thank you. MR. CHUNG: But anyway, you know, as I stated earlier, we're in for some tough times, but I also suggested that we could look at a lower amount. This lower amount actually mirrors what we had this past year, I think, if I'm not mistaken. I thought$75,000 for each Council Member was way too much under the circumstances. I wasn't too fond of taking away from R&D, although there were some good conceptual ideas in that amendment. But I'm okay with this. Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Chung. Anyone else? Mr. Richards, go ahead. MR. RICHARDS: Thank you, Chair. I like the idea of the hybrid and the talk story, and we have the supplemental before us. I listened very closely to Director Deanna, and I've always been critical of our budgetary process. Once again, we decided to go into silos when we start trying to make decisions, which I don't like. Though I do support some contingency, and this is in the ballpark, I think we need to have a bigger conversation. So though I support the intent, I'm not going to support this amendment today because I want to see the bigger conversation as we go and look for this hybrid amendments. I'd like to have the bigger conversation, so we look at everything in context rather than making a decision in a Cubby hole and then another decision in a Cubby hole. So for that reason—and I listened close to what Mr. Chung has said. It is the funding level that we had for this year. Like I said, it's in the ballpark. I'm a little concerned going forward for other reasons I've articulated already. So I'm going to pass on this amendment for now, but I may support the total dollars when we get through the rest of the conversation later. So I realize once again we're kind of stuck in this conundrum of trying to pass amendment or whatever piece of legislation without doing something else. So that being said, I like the idea of working on the hybrid amendment to bring that back. Chair, I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Ms. Kimball, go ahead. MS. KIMBALL: I actually just had a clarifying question for my colleagues. And again, this is because we can't discuss this, you know, we've got to discuss it here. Both of you using the term "hybrid," and I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean by that. Could you elaborate? Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Mr. Richards, go ahead. Page 40 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 MR. RICHARDS: For me it's a blending of the different thoughts and concepts, both of total dollars as well as how some of those fundings are redirected to the needs that have been articulated today. So when I hear hybrid and what I'm thinking, it's a blending of all these initiatives and putting them together as one concerted piece of legislation that we can all agree upon. That's my definition. MS. KIMBALL: Thanks. And Sue, do you have a ? MS. LEE LOY: Yeah. Similar definitely. I think there's still more conversation to have around the supplemental budgets. I still have some pointed questions for our director that I had asked for during our program review. I just want to hear back on some of that just to make sure we are making the very best decision with all the information that we have. Again, unfortunately this is how it has to come out. And you've identified it early. It's clunky. This process is clunky, and this is the only way we can have the conversation. I so believe we listen well, and I've heard a lot today. I see where each members goals and objectives are, and I think there's something that I could put forward that really does meet all the needs of all of us here today. So that would be my thoughts around a hybrid. Thank you, Chair. MS. KIMBALL: Thank you both for clarifying. That helps to understand just your approach to it, and I see the logic behind it. That's all I had, Chair. Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, go ahead. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I just want to say mahalo to Rebecca for brining this forward. As well as yourself, Chair, for trying to put something on the table for us to walk away with today and not be hopeful that something else can come that may or may not pass. So with this in front of us today, I'm going to be supporting this just to make sure that there is something for each Council Member to put into their district at the end of today's meeting regardless of what comes forward. So mahalo for bringing this forward, good job, and thanks for the discussion today. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. Ms. Kierkiewicz, go ahead. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, I just wanted to echo my sentiments. I'm going to be supporting this particular amendment. It's in front of us, I think it is the amount that we are all comfortable supporting, and I want to move forward with some clarity and assurance that this is something that we can all agree upon right now. I don't want to take any chances at second reading, so I'm going to be supporting this. Thank you. Page 41 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 CHR. DAVID: Thank you for that, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Anyone else? Ms. Villegas, go ahead. MS. VILLEGAS: Thank you, everybody, for your input on that. I guess I just ask for support. I see some wisdom in passing this. As much as we want to avoid silos and Cubby holes, sometimes it's nice to check off a certain issue because hybrids are really great ways to get everything encapsulated, but I just think of the State Legislature and how hard it is when you have a bill that has so much involved in it to get that complete support. So in this capacity, when dealing with just the CRF funds, I feel there's some wisdom in just passing this as is today, if we can agree on the amount, but I look forward to seeing some of the hybrid amendments that take into consideration and yet are poignantly focused on more otherI mean there's plenty and we see all these other requested amendments. So there's plenty of other opportunities for hybrid,but I just am hopeful that today just asking for support to pass this as is so we can move forward from at least this topic. So thanks for the consideration. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Villegas. Anyone else? Seeing none, I just want to thank each and every one of you Council Members for your input today. And the discussion that we've had I think we have all compromised in a little respect each one of us and have come to an amount that I believe is a fair amount. So given that, Mr. Clerk,please a roll call vote. Vote on Motion The motion to amend Bill 21, Draft 2, with the contents to Amend: of Comm. 103.19, was carried by the following roll (Approved) call vote: Ayes: Council Members Chung, Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair David—8. Noes: Council Member Richards - 1. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Thank you very much, Mr. Clerk. And I believe that takes us to the end of these amendments for Bill 21, Draft 2. MR. HENRICKS: Correct. You are back to the main motion, as amended. Yes, we are amended, with the Mayor's Draft 2, and also (Comm.) 103.16 and 103.19. They will accumulatively form the next draft of the Operating Budget. CHR. DAVID: Thank you very much. Given that, oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Kaneali`i- Kleinfelder, go ahead. Page 42 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Chair, if we could make a motion to discuss 103.20 with the Director of Finance. I'm not sure how that is supposed to be MR. HENRICKS: No motion required. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: No motion required? MR. HENRICKS: No, you're on the main motion. This is your Operating Budget in a global sense. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Okay, if I can, Chair, Deanna, can we discuss the supplemental requests that were submitted this morning (see Comm. 103.20). (Note: At this time, Finance Director Deanna Sako came forward to address the members of the Council.) MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So I have a few general questions, then I'm going to get a little bit more precise. MS. SAKO: Okay. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So these are all of the supplemental requests that have been submitted by each of the departments in front of us today? MS. SAKO: I believe the cover letter says that it's the ones that are still active. Like the ones we didn't put in the budget. So I would encourage the Council to look at the changes made to the budget, which are identified in Exhibit A. So that kind of details out what things we did add already. So as like when Director Messina was here, he did mention that we had increased the R&M (Repairs and Maintenance), not saying he doesn't need more,just saying that, you know, it's kind of conjunction. So after the budget message, there is Exhibit A, and it has both a narrative and then the actual numbers of what got included for each department. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, so are you saying that inside the supplemental request packet we were given, none of these are double-upped some things that have funded already, or we have to double-check against this exhibit? MS. SAKO: No, I'm saying these are things we did not fund. However, like, I think it was the first one. I'm only picking on that because it's the first one, Page 43 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 they're asking for a Clerk III, but we also gave them a Clerk III. So they're actually wanted two. They got one. That's all I'm saying. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, and it's got a big line through it. MS. SAKO: No sorry. The next page line right there. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Oh sorry, so for Alika Cost. MS. SAKO: Yeah, so I'm just saying, you know for DEM (Department of Environmental Management), it's not just that they have a need for a Clerk, we did give them one of the two they requested. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Then if they have a big line through it in here MS. SAKO: It means we filled it. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, so those are disregards. MS. SAKO: Either it's in the budget or we found another way to take care of that need. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, there's a couple of those. Thank you. And then,just because it recently caught my attention, I looked for DPW (Department of Public Works) has a for vehicles for the director again, and we just passed I think it was transfer order for $60,000 for two vehicles for the deputy and the deputy director positions. MS. SAKO: So I did not review this real carefully before we sent it in. So yeah, that need was met also. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, so there may be in here that have been fulfilled. MS. SAKO: We tried to take all of those out, but apparently we missed the DPW one. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, it's more for us to know that it may be in here, but it actually may have been funded already. That's all I was wanting to know, is how careful we need to be when we're looking at this as what the department needs are, versus what they may have gotten in the last, I mean even two months. And it may not be reflected in the budget that we have in front of us. Page 44 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 Okay, that is good for me to know. Thank you. That's all my questions for Deanna right now, Chair. Thank you. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Anyone else on this? Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Well, I'll start with the supplemental budget, but I had a bigger question. Deanna, IT (Department of Information Technology) is another one, and we saw an incredible outcry from community about expanding broadband and we see that with the legislation that got passed this year. Now for IT, there's I guess some positions but also I didn't see anything related to equipment. Am I missing something, or ? MS. SAKO: So again, these are the ones that kind of we didn't fill. So what we did put in the budget was $400,000 for them between March and May. So part of that is to, I think they bought the service year for the Outlook system, but now need the professional services to get it up and running. Then we did increase equipment by $120,000. Not saying that's enough, but you know, we tried to get each department their top needs. MS. LEE LOY: And we had a discussion at Committee with EnerGov, right? So there's this kind of tricep between IT, DPW and Planning, and I saw them creating the positions yeah, go ahead. MS. SAKO: Yeah, so in both DPW and Planning, I believe they each found a way to get a systems analyst for each department. One may be by reallocation one may be by a new position; but each department did find a way to make that happen in the budget. So I think, I want to say it was building inspection, or wherever the EnerGov position was. But we did, you know, add some money for that as well as whatever other EnerGov needs they have. MS. LEE LOY: Then, this is not contained in the supplemental, but during our program review, I had asked for two parts. One with DPW on an amended explanation on the Engineering Division, because I had concerns about how they were identifying their goals, which personally to me didn't align up with what we saw as far as projects coming from Planning and what they needed to review. I haven't seen that. Then the other one was Mass Transit, and that had a lot to do with the riderI mean there was an estimated around what it costs per ride, and through that conversation, we kind of came to the conclusion that that$18 really wasn't reflective, and if the budget was built on those numbers, I'm concerned that we may not have the right funding in that division. Could you share with me on where we are on getting the correct numbers on that? Page 45 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 MS. SAKO: So first of all, normally we do not resubmit the program budget with the May submittal. So I apparently missed on your list of questions during the budget reviews, the Engineering one. But we can follow up with them. But we did work with Transit on the $18. And I think there's a little bit of a disconnect in that when they were doing their program goals and measures, they came up with the $18, but that was not exactly how the budget was developed. So they did develop the budget according to what their contract needs are. I mean what proposals we currently have in place, what contracts we have in place. So working with the bus driver contracts and ensuring they have adequate funding for that. Then they also made sure they had funding for the paratransit and all of that's incorporated in that. So they really did develop their budget based on their needs on the current contracts they have in place, but correct, the $18 was not very accurate. They did give me something else, then there's still some discussion on probably the best way going forward because we want it to be a calculation to perform each year. So what we ended up doing was taking all of their costs in the General Excise Tax Fund, which is all their non-grant funded costs. Then we did divide it up into categories. But basically everything falls under the Hele-On bus except for what we could pull out, which was like paratransit, shared-ride taxi, bike share. So unless the entire bus system went away, you know, we would still constantly have these costs. But then instead of including the new equipment, we used the depreciation. Because it's not right in any given year. If there's a year we bought a lot of buses, that's really going to reflect and throw off the calculation. So we use the depreciation for FY-20 which is what we have available. So by doing that, the average cost for a bus rider is $33, and for paratransit is roughly $102 per rider. That's just for the paratransit program and excluding a couple of contracts we have with some nonprofits. Then the shared-ride taxi is $11.46, and the bike share is $15.12. I did not have a chance to apply the same methodology backwards, but$18 was the cost at one point in time, and I think it just inadvertently got carried forward. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you for that. I mean, I think for as long as I've been here, we all know that to supplement a ride when they're only paying a dollar, we always knew we were supplementing a lot. And I think this helps us tell the story better about the costs associated with our transportation. I think the other piece is now that we have these more realistic numbers,part of that budget was a projection, right. And so can I please get, based on these new numbers, what the projections are? Because my concern continues to be if we're going to create a mass transit system, it's also based on what we do now to generate the kind of revenues and ridership that we're projecting forward. Page 46 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 So if you could share that. It doesn't have to be now, but if you could get that to me, I want to be able to look at that in context with everything that's been discussed and then some ideas I have. Especially for IT, making sure we have a very strong backbone, a very strong spine when it comes to infrastructure for our County needs. MS. SAKO: So I think once COVID is past us and they can have more riders on each bus, that will totally change the amounts as well. MS. LEE LOY: Right, and I'm sure they'll fluctuate right, with more capacity, then we have more offset, and so but then the user fees, all of that. Thank you, Deanna, so much. Chair, I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, go ahead. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Deanna,just following up. As I look through the very last four pages, these were all submitted by DEM. But it caught my attention because a lot of them were asking for funds, but stating, I mean, I'm just going to read the very last one, "Due to budget constraints, the division is cutting back in the amount of reuse facilities that are currently open. Currently the division is budgeting for only one facility in Wai`ohinu and is planning to close the rest of the facilities unless a no-cost proposal is received for operation of the program." That went for a few of these, and it caught my attention because basically that's telling me if we don't do these supplemental requests, these programs are going to go out of existence. It's talking about reuse, e-waste, motor oil, collection, our recycling. And correct me if I'm wrong, but is that what these are basically saying? MS. SAKO: That was probably the intent. Solid Waste was one of the ones that also got additional funding, which does free up funds for other programs. However, some things are out to bid right now, and they have not been awarded. So I'm in an awkward position of not being able to say what has come in. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: This worried me, because I mean we closed South Hilo landfill, we're trucking everything over, the purpose of this is to divert from our waste stream. The name of our website is called "ZeroWaste.org," and yet—and I understand you're in a hard spot, but for the Council, I mean if we—from what I'm getting, it's almost like an ultimatum, if you don't fund, they're gone. It's scary. MS. SAKO: I think some of the programs are going to be okay, yes. We did add $475,000 to their budget as well. So that did help in a lot of different ways. Then of course they did increase like their glass recycling grant and things like that. But we were able to add money to recycling also. Page 47 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, so we go take their request from Greg with a grain of salt for right now? MS. SAKO: For right now, yes. Because I don't believe some of those things have been awarded. Because we are in the process of bidding for the coming year. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I don't know if Greg or the director MS. SAKO: And keep in mind the date of this was in January, too. So a lot has happened since January to now. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Understood. Maybe if anyone is watching from DEM, I hope you are, it would be in your best interest to let us know which one of these programs have been funded or not so that we are aware. So if we thought about funding these through supplemental requests or other parts of our budget, we can make that decision with a good conscience. MS. SAKO: So what we did increase was household hazardous waste and non-vehicular scrap metal. And then they did get additional funding from the State for glass recycling and their rich container deposits. And some of the bids are out and I believe they were rather favorable on the pricing. So that's all I can say. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you for that, Deanna. That worried me. Okay, thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Anyone else? Seeing none, okay. Thank you, Director Sako, for explaining that. Mr. Clerk, I think we're at, if no one else has any discussion, we're back to voting on Bill 21, as amended. MR. HENRICKS: Right. Passing first reading. CHR. DAVID: Okay, so are we ready to vote? Please take the roll. Page 48 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 Vote on Bill 21: The motion to pass Bill 21, Draft 2, as amended to Draft 3, Draft 3): was carried by the following roll call vote: (Approved) Ayes: Council Members Chung, Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Thank you very much. Thank you, Council Members. Okay, I guess we can move on now to Bill Number 22 and Communication Number 104.5, Draft 2. Bill 22: RELATES TO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND FINANCING THEREOF FOR THE FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 2021, TO JUNE 30, 2022 From Mayor Mitchell D. Roth, dated March 1, 2021, transmitting the proposed Capital Budget for FY 2021-2022 and the Capital Improvements Program for the next six years from Fiscal Year 2021-2022 to 2026-2027, which includes 66 projects requiring a total appropriation of$188.78 million. Approximately $129.56 million are intended to be funded in whole or part by bonds, $3.1 million to be funded by Federal Grants, and $56.12 million to be funded by the State Revolving Loan Fund or State Capital Improvement Projects. Reference: Comm. 104 Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder(B/R) Approve: FC-43 and Comm. 104.5: From Mayor Mitchell D. Roth, dated May 5, 2021, transmitting Bill 22, Draft 2, which adds 8 projects, for a total of 74 projects, which is a $32.75 million increase in appropriations over the first draft. ; and Bill 22: RELATES TO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AND FINANCING THEREOF (Draft 2) FOR THE FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 2021, TO JUNE 30, 2022 Draft 2 requires a total appropriation of$221.53 million, of which approximately $171.48 million are intended to be funded in whole or part by bonds, $46.5 million are to be funded by the State Revolving Loan Fund or State Capital Improvement Projects, $3.26 million are to be funded by Federal Funds, and $290,000 are to be funded by Fair Share Contributions. Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder(B/R) Page 49 Hawaii County Council-14 May 20,2021 Motion to Approve: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder moved to pass Bill 22 on first reading. Seconded by Ms. Villegas. Motion to Amend: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder moved to amend Bill 22, with the contents of Comm. 104.5. Seconded by Ms. Villegas. CHR. DAVID: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, go ahead. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I just have a comment. I've asked a few times now for a list, and it hasn't been forthcoming. I understand there are multiple funding sources and multiple departments included and brand-new administration and the complexity of the situation. But with that said, I think it is important and I'm going to stating this, that this body and the public knows what's coming down in the form of capital improvements so that we can have an expectation, like we've talked about today: outcome driven. And when the community has a thought and the Council Members have a thought and the Administration has a thought, it's nice to know that all those thoughts have the same source or the same idea. So just making the comment, and just wanted to say that. Thank you, Chair. CHR. DAVID: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Anyone else? Alright, Mr. Clerk, on the amendment. Vote on Motion The motion to amend Bill 22 with the contents of to Amend: Comm. 104.5 was carried by the following roll call vote: (Approved) Ayes: Council Members Chung, Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. We're back to the main motion as amended. Council Members, any discussion? Seeing none, can we just do a roll call vote. Page 50 Hawai`i County Council-14 May 20. 2021 Vote on Bill 22 The motion to pass Bill 22. as amended to Draft 2. was (Draft 2): carried by the following voice call vote: (Approved) Ayes: Council Members Chung, Inaba. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David — 9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: Thank you. OTHER The Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business, Other BUSINESS: Business. (There were none.) ANNOUNCE- The Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business. MENTS: Announcements. (There were none.) ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 12:30 p.m., Mr. Lee Loy moved to adjourn the MENT: meeting. Seconded by Mr. Inaba and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Council Members Chung, Inaba, Kaneali'i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair David — 9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR. DAVID: We are adjourned. Mahalo, everyone. Council Approval: JUN 1 6 2021 COUNT' ' • JH/ja Page 51