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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN FC 2021/06/15 2020-2022Committee on Finance 13th Session West Hawaii Civic Center 74-5044 Ane Keohokalole Highway, Building A Kailua-Kona, Hawaii June 15, 2021 CALL TO The regular meeting of the Committee on Finance was called to order at ORDER: 1:02 p.m., in the Council Chambers, Kona, by Mr. Matt Kaneali`i- Kleinfelder, Chair. ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Matt Kaneali`i- Kleinfelder, Chair Ms. Heather L. Kimball, Vice Chair Mr. Aaron S. Y. Chung, Member Ms. Maile Medeiros David, Member Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Member Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member Mr. Herbert M. "Tim" Richards III, Member Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member STATEMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, Statements from the Public on Agenda Items. The following individuals registered to provide comment regarding Res. 145-21 (Comm. 284), and came forward when called by the Chair: Toni Withington. Chadd `Onohi Paishon. Shae Kamakaala. Hinano Lewis. Patty Solomon. FC -13 June 15, 2021 Ma`ulili W. G. Dickson. Melissa Kahoopii. Pomaikalani Bertelmann. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So with testimony being closed, I would like to, Mr. Clerk, take Resolution 145-21 first. Change Order As directed by the Chair and with no objection from the Council Members, of Business: the following items were taken out of order: Res. 145-21: AUTHORIZES THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE ACQUISITION OF LANDS AND/OR CONSERVATION EASEMENTS FOR ALL OR A PORTION OF PARCELS IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP KEYS 5-7-002:011, 5-7-002:027, 5-7-002:036, 5-7-002:037, 5-7-003:001, 5-7-003:002, 5-7-003:003, 5-7- 003:007, 5-7-003:008, 5-7-003:010, AND 5-7-003:018, ALSO KNOWN AS MAHUKONA PROPERTIES, SITUATED IN THE DISTRICT OF NORTH KOHALA IN THE AHUPUA`A OF KAOMA, HIHIU, MAHUKONA, KAMANO, KOU, AND KAPA`ANUI, UTILIZING THE PUBLIC ACCESS, OPEN SPACEAND NATURAL RESOURCES PRESERVATION FUND The County seeks to acquire the properties in whole or conservation easements to preserve cultural, historic, and natural resources; facilitate public access; and protect open space. The parcels, consisting of 642.4551 acres, were listed as the number one priority for acquisition in the 2020 Annual Report of the Public Access, Open Space, and Natural Resources Preservation Commission. Reference: Comm. 284 Intr. by: Mr. Richards Motion to Approve: Mr. Richards moved to recommend adoption of Res. 145-21. Seconded by Ms. David. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mr. Richards, please let us off. MR. RICHARDS: Okay, thank you, Chair. Far be it for me to try and expand on the people that you have testifying, expanding and explaining, Chadd, Ma`ulili, Patty Ann, and all of them are expressing the words, the wishes, and the direction of where we need to go. That is something that's been in the work for quite some time. Toni Withington was able to expand on what Kohala has done with the PONC (Public Access, Open Space, and Natural Resources Commission) purchases and really stewarding the lands going forward. Page 2 FC -13 June 15, 2021 I was talking story with Chadd, and we were talking about the future of the area, and something that I only learned within the last year, was what he mentioned concerning the heiau there, which is the navigational heiau, and it's where the voyaging canoes sort of get aloha to the islands before they set out on their long journeys. You know, as Ma`ulili talked about, this is a place where you can go swimming, and as kids we all did that, but it is also an area that is steeped in what Kohala is all about. And it's just logical that it be protected and preserved for the community. But it's a living preserve. as Chadd pointed out, this is where the makali`i calls home. And so everything has lined up and we're kind of joking about it, how Chadd who is a navigator, is helping us chart the course going forward with these lands. So with that, one of the reason it took a while to get this resolution here, is because if you look through the ahupua`as, is if anyone has ever looked at maps, young and old, there's disagreement on some of the spelling and some of the boundaries, and so it took a while to get this all sorted out. But thank you very much to the community for your support of this. Thank you for your efforts and your work to get this thing done. This is a logical evolution and a great use of the PONC funds going forward. So with that, I'm going to ask for the support of my fellow Council Members as this is what it's all about. Chair, I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mahalo, Mr. Richards. Council? Ms. David, go ahead. MS. DAVID: Yes, thank you. Mr. Richards, thank you for bringing this forward. This is so appropriate, and I am very happy that this is happening. And I just wanted to say thank you, mahalo a nui to Shirley and to Ms. Kamakaala for reaching out and our discussion yesterday. You brought some very good memories of Mahukona, and I really appreciate our talk. And I wholeheartedly support this resolution to purchase this valuable special property. So mahalo for all your hard work, and the community's hard work, and our kupuna out there in Kohala. Mahalo. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mahalo, Ms. David. Mr. Inaba, go ahead. MR. INABA: Mahalo, Council Member Richards. And I also want to take this opportunity to thank our PONC Commission. If I recall correctly, this was number one in our the priority list, so glad to see this resolution before us. Also, I want to take this opportunity to mahalo everyone who wrote in testimony in favor. Sometimes we don't see you here you live, but Council Members do see the folder with the written testimony in support, so mahalo to you all. Chair, I yield. Page 3 FC -13 June 15, 2021 CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mahalo, Mr. Inaba. Ms. Villegas, go ahead. MS. VILLEGAS: Yeah, I want to echo the sentiments of my colleagues here on the Council. And I want to thank those that reached out to me directly yesterday, about setting up a meeting and talking about this property, it's cultural relevance, it's historical significance, and the natural resources in this area. There's been a long road to the preservation of Mahukona. Many different entities involved here, and I compliment those who have worked so hard to include the Hawaii Land Trust, and that land management paradigm, and the financial resources that I am hoping were also available through that partnership. But I look forward to talking more and learning more about this area, specifically on Monday. But in the interim, I wholeheartedly support the purchase of this property. Thank you, Council Member Richards for your diligence in making sure that the naming, if I remember correctly, last term there was just some complications with the naming, which can be challenging to say the least. But the continued perseverance, diligence, and continued tenacity of both this community, of the Open Space Commission, and of Council Member Richards in ensuring that we get this property to the finish line, and what this provides for the people of that area with access. And preservation, conservation, and perpetuation of cultural practices in these areas, I think, is important and powerful. So thank you again for this, and I am incredibly excited and grateful to support this resolution today. Mahalo. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mahalo, Ms. Villegas. Anyone else? Okay, yeah I do fully support this measure, Mr. Richards, and well done bringing it forward. I was reached out too, as well, for a meeting, and I told them, "no need," but not because I don't know the importance, it's more so I know this is good and I don't need to be told this is good because we just know that. So mahalo for reaching out to us, and well done. And then this will be a great stepping -stone for the community as well on making this a better place for our community and for Kohala. Just, you know—on a different note, I know that part of my family has ties to that area of the coastline, as well. Should be very good for the Hawaii Island community. So with that, we have a motion on the floor to forward Resolution 145-21 with a favorable recommendation. All in favor? Page 4 FC -13 Vote on Res. 145-21 (Approved) The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 145-21 was carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: If we could please, let's go to Communication 285. June 15, 2021 Comm. 285: NOMINATION OF DONALA KAWA`AUHAU TO THE SALARY COMMISSION From Mayor Mitchell D. Roth, dated May 27, 2021, requesting the Council's review and confirmation. Requires Council Confirmation by: July 15, 2021 (Section 13-4(k), Hawaii County Charter) Vote on Comm. 285: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to recommend confirmation of (Approved) the appointment of Ms. Donala Kawa`auhau to the Salary Commission. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members David, Chung, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. Executive Assistant to the Mayor Pomaika`i Bartolome came forward and provided a brief narrative of the nominee's background and experience. Committee Members spoke in favor of the appointment. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, moving. Let's go to Resolution 144-21. Page 5 FC -13 June 15, 2021 Res. 144-21: AUTHORIZES THE PAYMENT OF FUNDS OF A LATER FISCAL YEAR AND OF MORE THAN ONE FISCAL YEAR FOR MULTI-YEAR LEASES FOR TWO COPY MACHINES FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION Authorizes the Mayor to enter into five-year lease agreements with an approximate total monthly cost of $205 for both copiers. Reference: Comm. 283 Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder (B/R) Vote on Res. 144-21: Mr. Inaba moved to recommend adoption of Res. 144-21. (Approved) Seconded by Mr. Richards and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members David, Chung, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: And let's go to the top of the order, Communication 30.11, please. Return to Order The Chair directed the Committee to return to the order of business. of Business: COMMUNI- The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, CATIONS: Communications. Comm. 30.11: REPORT OF FUND TRANSFERS AUTHORIZED: MAY 1 —15, 2021 From Controller Kay Oshiro, dated May 21, 2021 Motion to Close File: Ms. David moved to close file on Comm. 30.11. Seconded by Mr. Richards. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Any discussion, Council? Okay. Oh, Mr. Richards. Go ahead. I believe we have Deanna Sako or Steve Hunt available in the Council Chambers in Hilo, sir. MR. RICHARDS: Looks like we got the Deputy? (Note: At this time, Deputy Finance Director Steve Hunt came forward to address the members of the Committee.) Page 6 FC -13 June 15, 2021 MR. HUNT: Good afternoon, Council Members. Steve Hunt, Deputy Director Finance, for the record. MR. RICHARDS: Thanks, Steve, appreciate you being here. Deputy, and this just housekeeping, but seem to rearrange a bunch of the Police Salaries and Wages. Can you just touch on that? MR. HUNT: Sure. As you are aware, the recruit class is paid out of the admin. line item, so as the budget year goes on and we're looking for moving and funding and making sure that each of the accounts were paid from the correct line item, there are some adjustments. There also was some overtime and incurred in the Hamakua district that was a little more than ordinary, so areas that didn't incur those expenditures in overtime, like Waimea, was able to afford to move that to areas where they did incur. And I believe there also might have been a retirement. Again, those are just best guesstimates based on who is eligible for retirement and where the budget for those funding for the vacation payout actually go. But it's just a best guesstimate, at the beginning of the year, and then when they actually occur, we have to move those to the correct locations to make those payouts. MR. RICHARDS: Okay, so what I'm understanding is a little bit of housekeeping as we get to the end of our fiscal year, is that correct? MR. HUNT: That's correct. MR. RICHARDS: Okay. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mahalo, Mr. Richards. Thank you, Mr. Hunt, for joining us today. I have no further questions. We have a motion on the floor to close file on Communication 30.11, all in favor? Vote on Comm. 30.11: The motion to close file on Comm. 30.11 was carried by Filed the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. MR. HENRICKS: Next communication? Page 7 FC -13 June 15, 2021 CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah, proceed. Thank you, sir. Comm. 31.13: REPORT OF CHANGE ORDERS AUTHORIZED: MAY 1 —15, 2021 From Finance Director Deanna Sako, dated May 20, 2021, transmitting the above report pursuant to Hawaii County Code Section 2-12.3. Motion to Close File: Ms. Lee Loy moved to close file on Comm. 31.13. Seconded by Mr. Richards. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Any discussion, Council Members? Ms. Kimball, go ahead. MS. KIMBALL: Yeah, I've been advised to disclose that one of the change orders is for Fleming & Associates, which is our architecture firm, my husband's firm. I have no function other than as his spouse. But since we're voting on a communication, that's just what has happened in the past and there was no involvement in the decision-making about the expenditure of those funds from us. I just need to disclose, but no need to recuse myself from the vote. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mahalo, Ms. Kimball, understood. Council Members, any further discussion on the change order? Okay, seeing nonesorry, no discussion. So all in favor of closing file Communication 31.13? Vote on Comm. 31.13: The motion to close file on Comm. 31.13 was carried by Filed by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. Comm. 32.8: MONTHLY BUDGET STATUS REPORT FOR THE MONTH ENDED FEBRUARY 28, 2021 From Finance Director Deanna Sako, dated May 14, 2021, transmitting the above report pursuant to Hawaii County Charter Section 6-6.3(h). Page 8 FC -13 Vote on Comm. 32.8: Filed Comm. 261 Motion to Close File June 15, 2021 Mr. Inaba moved to close file Comm. 32.8. Seconded by Ms. David and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. FOLLOW-UP AUDIT OF THE COUNTY OF HAWAII INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY ASSET MANAGEMENT From Acting County Auditor Maxinne Pacheco, dated May 20, 2021, transmitting the above document pursuant to Hawaii County Charter Section 3-18(d)(3). Mr. Inaba moved to close file on Comm. 261. Seconded by Ms. David. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Council Members, discussion. Mr. Inaba, go ahead. MR. INABA: Is Maxinne in Hilo Chambers? CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: She is, sir. (Note: At this time, Acting County Auditor Maxinne Pacheco came forward to address the members of the Committee.) CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you for joining us, Ms. Pacheco. Go ahead, Mr. Inaba. MR. INABA: Hi, Maxinne, thank you. Can you just give us a quick rundown on this follow-up, please? MS. PACHECO: Sure. Good afternoon, Council Members. My name is Maxinne Pacheco. I am the Acting County Auditor. Joining me today is my colleague Mike Cordova, he's an Audit Analyst. We are delighted to present a report of the Department of Information Technology Asset Management. The objective of this follow-up audit was to determine if the department implemented the 2015 Information Technology Asset Management recommendations. We tested 11 recommendations and found management took corrective action and implemented four recommendations, six are in process and one has not been implemented. The audit focused in three areas, including hardware and software Page 9 FC -13 June 15, 2021 lifecycle management, hardware and software inventory management, and hardware and software security. Of the six recommendations that were in process, we found evidence that the department had processes in place; however, we found some processes were not documented. To fully meet Best Practice, the department should address these gaps in written policies and procedures. In closing, it was a joy to work with Ms. Ung, Mr. Uehara, and their amazing staff. We are happy to answer any questions you may have. MR. INABA: Thank you, Maxinne. Do we have Director Uehara in chambers or online? Okay, if not, Maxinne, for those that are in process right now, those six, when do we think we could be considering them implemented? MS. PACHECO: So right now, at this point it is up to the department to implement in -process items. If and when in the future we audit IT (Information of Technology) again, we will look at these open items and determine if it's still applicable to the audit objective, based on risk. MR. INABA: Thank you. And is this follow-up kind of the end of life for this for now? We won't see this again unless a new audit is called for? MS. PACHECO: That is correct. MR. INABA: Okay, mahalo nui. Chair, that's all I have right now. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Inaba. Any further questions or discussion by the Council? Seeing none, thank you very much, Ms. Pacheco, for joining us today. I appreciate your time. MS. PACHECO: Thank you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: We have a motion on the floor to close file on Communication 261, all in favor? Vote on Comm. 261: The motion to close file on Comm. 2611 was carried by Filed the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. Page 10 FC -13 June 15, 2021 ORDER OF The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, RESOLUTIONS: Order of Resolutions. (Items in this category were taken up previously, out of order) Res. 142-21: FORMS A WORKING GROUP TO DEVELOP A NEEDS ASSESSMENT OF COUNTY ASSETS AND TO URGE THE ADMINISTRATION TO UTILIZE THISASSESSMENT TO TRANSFORM THE DEVELOPMENT AND REPORTING OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND CAPITAL PROGRAM AS OUTLINED IN ARTICLE X, SECTION 10-6, OF THE HAWAII COUNTY CHARTER Council Members Ashley Kierkiewicz and Susan Lee Loy would Co -Chair the Working Group, which would include representatives from the Department of Finance, Planning Department, Department of Public Works, Office of the Corporation Counsel, and the Office of the Mayor. Reference: Comm. 284 Intr. by: Intr. by: Ms. Lee Loy Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to recommend adoption of Res. 142-21. Seconded by Mr. Richards. (Note: At this time, Public Works Director Ikaika Rodenhurst and Planning Director Zendo Kern came forward to address the members of the Committee.) CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Why don't you go ahead, Ms. Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: Actually, I was going to yield to my co -introducer, Ms. Kierkiewicz. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, Ms. Kierkiewicz, go ahead. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy, for the opportunity. This really stems from, I think, months for some of our newer colleagues but for others that have been on the Council one or two terms, three terms, Aaron Chung's case, I can't even count. A lot of frustration around the state of our facilities, our assets, and not really having a sense or a repository of that information, which is so critical I think to making fiscally responsible and transparent and clear decisions when it comes to budget. And so, you know, having a good relationship with Planning Department, Ms. Lee Loy with Public Works, and staying in touch with them about department needs, we're really listening to our colleagues, this last budget cycle, about how we can do things better going forward. Page 11 FC -13 June 15, 2021 And so that's the crux of this resolution, is putting together a small working group, working together over the next year, ahead of our next budget cycle, to really identify these are the needs of our County; this is the state and the condition of our equipment and our facilities. And once we have that information, we can start positioning our budget to make things work so that our County employees have the absolute best and can perform at optimal levels, and that our community is really able to have a consistently positive experience with the County. I know that we have both Directors Kern and Rodenhurst as well as, I think, Director Sako available in the chambers to answer any questions. One of the things that I did want to add to this though, we'll be transmitting an amendment assuming this is able to go to Council. But wanted to look in the Department of Information Technology (DIT), if we're going to be essentially building this database, this repository, we've got to put it somewhere. I don't want to put it in a three-ring binder. I would much rather have a virtual interface for this. And taking a look at DIT's audit. This is something they actually need to be doing for their department, is a comprehensive needs assessment so it dovetails really nicely with what we are trying to do here. So happy to answer any questions. I'm just looking for support from our colleagues. Thank you, I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Council Members? Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. Actually, I wanted to, for Director Rodenhurst and then Director Kern, for much of us—for much of my time here on the Council and then for sitting up here watching how this budget kind of comes together, one thing that emerged through my time over here was this needs assessment and how things were developed. And so I really wanted to lean in on Director Rodenhurst and Director Kern on how some of these CIP projects (Capital Improvement Projects) kind of emerged through the department and then kind of come out and kind of end up before the County Council, and how this collective think-tank through this working group would kind of come together and develop this need assessment. And then kind of, as Ms. Kierkiewicz said, kind of come up with a roadmap on how we can do things a little smarter with the public's money. MR. RODENHURST: Yes, Director Rodenhurst for DPW. And thank you, Council Member Lee Loy and Council Member Kierkiewicz for putting this forward and involving myself and the other departments for this. I think it's important to have our collaboration moving forward. Page 12 FC -13 June 15, 2021 As we put forward and stressed countless times, we are part of an administration that believes in working together and breaking down silos. And as part of that, we were touching on CIP process, and it's the requirements and the thought that goes into these, that's not just housed in each department but how it interacts with the other departments. The Department of Public Works is a large department that encompasses a variety of work within the County, and we interact with nearly every single department. You know, there's a lot that goes on here that we're involved with, and I could say the same for Planning, for IT. We're in a technology age; you know, technology is important. It's just as important as our roads, and bridges, and highways. You know, we need to work together on this and find a way forward. One of the key components to this is the facilities and infrastructure that we experienced at the County. For our County workers, you know, making sure that they have safe facilities to do their jobs and provide the services to the County, and we want to make sure that we factor that in to our plans for the future, and not just what's going on our highways or where the funding is coming from. There's multitude of factors that we've got to come together and put that on a roadmap, as you said, that needs to be followed, then we can address and tackle one at a time. Because if we just continue to be reactionary, things are going to slip to the side. You know, it's good to have a good plan, and it's good to put it to work, and it's going to take IT and support from the Council to move this forward. So, I'm really happy that is put forward. I'm really looking forward to working together with everyone to make a roadmap for our future. MS. LEE LOY: Director Kern, go ahead. MR. KERN: Thank you. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Members of the Finance Committee. Zendo Kern, Planning Director. So yeah, overall I think this is a really good idea. As you folks know, you know, each year during the budget process we sit with the various—Planning sits with various departments, and we go through that priority list for the CIP projects. We try to help to understand, you know, why those are priorities and what's going on with it. And then once that's compiled to the master CIP budget list, it sits there, and then throughout the year, depending the nature of various things going on. But, you know, a bond float to be put together to then fund those projects. But after it's put together, it certainly does get tricky, especially I think with managing expectations. Managing expectations from the public, managing expectations from the departments, and managing expectations from the County Council Members. So I think with having a more comprehensive, cohesive plan in place, I think it will really help navigate this process and also create more transparency in Page 13 FC -13 June 15, 2021 certain ways for a lot of folks, because it's again, it's kind of a convoluted, complicated process, but yet somewhat simple. But we look at, you know, a tremendous amount of money within that budget. It can make people's head spin sometimes. You know, one of the things that I think that I think that we need to look at within this too, is we have different levels of prioritization. Whether it be roofs, whether it be roads, whether it be IT, and coming up with some framework for those. It may not be just one comprehensive list; it might be a multiple lists that takes care of different types of priorities that would still fall under CDP (Community Development Plan). Simultaneously, working with the different funding sources, within those list, as well. So I see it as actually having a multitudea few list with multitude of priorities, depending on the nature of those. What I do want to make sure that we work with through the working group, and then what's going to transpire from there, is that we set a good reasonable pace. So you folks know, you know, everyone is really, really busy, the departments are really busy. So we really want to get into this, but we do want to make sure that we set expectations that we can really achieve, and set goals that are fair and reasonable. And I think everyone is on the same page, I just wanted to throw that out there. So those are my initial thoughts around this. And thank you for bringing this up. Thank you to both of you for bringing this up. I'm excited to move forward, and happy to answer any questions. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Directors. Chair, I yield at this time. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Mr. Inaba. MR. INABA: Quick question. I see here that you folks want this completed so that we can incorporate that in our next budget cycle; so realistically, when do you think we can get the report so that the administration can use it as part of the next capital budget and program. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, if I might? CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Ms. Kierkiewicz, go ahead. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. Thank you for question, Mr. Inaba. As you know, the budget process starts in September, so that's right around the corner. We are provided our first iteration of the budget in March, so we're hoping to have a report back to this body by March, which will give us enough time before our second reading, to really absorb that information, and to affect some change. Page 14 FC -13 June 15, 2021 MR. INABA: Awesome. Okay, thank you so much. Chair, that's all I have. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Inaba. MS. LEE LOY: If I might add to that, Mr. Inaba? As Director Kern said, it might turn it, or transition into multiple lists, right, and maybe even benchmark or threshold amounts, right? So if there's a requirement related to compliance with our ADA (American with Disabilities Act) and there's matching monies through the federal government or public/private partnerships, we might kind of create a list that way. We really don't know at this point. But as Ms. Kierkiewicz said, we do want to get something that this body can chew on as we go into our next budget -making decisions. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Ms. Kimball. MS. KIMBALL: Thank you, and thank you both for putting this forward and recognizing as we've discussed the budget process, the need for a clearer assessment. You know, just in my short time here, I'm still figuring out how we make financial decisions. It's not always completely transparent, but there's you know, again, just a beginner here. Couple of questions. First of all, in terms of metrics, you know I love the data, have you predefined any metrics or any existing tools from other sources that you would use as part of this assessment process? MS. LEE LOY: Chair, if I might answer Ms. Kimball. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Did you want the director to answer or? MS. KIMBALL: I'd actually like to hear from whoever can respond to that though, whether it's my colleagues or the director, either one is fine. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. I think that actually will be discussed in this working group. But in an effort of transparency, I definitely have the mindset of looking at dollar -thresholds, you know, taking a bite out of the big stuff that needs immediate attention, definitely compliance issue. If we're going to be mandated or if there's an attached order to it, definitely elevating some of those projects up on a prioritized list. Those are my initial thoughts going into that. But I think this working group will definitely bring their level of expertise and understanding, and then maybe come up with pillars and four corners around these lists. And we'll be more than happy to report that back to this body so that, as you mentioned, some of the data that was driving some of these ideas will be made available. Page 15 FC -13 June 15, 2021 MS. KIMBALL: Anybody else on that? Share thoughts on that? Ikaika? MR. RODENHURST: Yeah, Director Rodenhurst. I have a couple of thoughts on that, too. We have some ideas in place based off of our aging infrastructures, you know, what in our aging facilities kind of timelines on the conditions of those as well as life and safety concerns, compliance issues. You know, we talk about upgrading our buildings to accommodate, you know, the services we provide, as well as our evolutions as technology ages. So there's different metrics on that, as far as about what facilities versus roads. Previously discussed, we do have the Manley System for roads, that gives us a good idea as far as how we approach our roads, and we will be working on providing an idea for that, per district, very soon. I know that we've talked about that previously, and I'm still working on that with my department. MS. KIMBALL: Great, thank you. You know, just a recommendation, I guess, to a working group, that some time be spent in the beginning on a decision analysis. And the reason I suggest that is because there may be multiple criteria that you can collect and evaluate, but at the end of the day maybe only a couple of them are really relevant to the decision-making process. So my recommendation to save yourself some time, is to determine who are the stakeholders, the key decision makers, how do they make decisions, what are the relevant criteria, and narrow it down to that. There are lots of resources around that; I'm happy to share with you folks. The other thing, just—like I know you're going to add DIT, certainly I think you should consider adding P&R (Parks and Recreation), just because so many of our County resources are invested in that department, so suggest that be added. Wondering if we can or should build in an interim report of what metrics you will be collecting as part of the assessment. I think I'd kind of like to have that upfront before the working group begins that whole process. I had question for Betsy, and this is relevant—I'm sorry, Judge Strance—and this is relevant to something (inaudible), but are there any issues with us as a board discussing issues regarding to the CIP and this assessment once the working group is formed? And this is relevant to the discussion you and I had about permitted interaction groups? Just want to make sure that we're all good there. (Note: At this time, Corporation Counsel Elizabeth Strance came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. STRANCE: Thank you. Elizabeth Strance, Corporation Counsel. As you folks were talking, I was pulling up the Council rules on ad hoc committees, and it seems to have been a careful use of the working group, and so between now and Page 16 FC -13 June 15, 2021 the next meeting you have, we'll look into that and then provide Council Member Kierkiewicz with any language that might need to be included if the working group needs to follow the ad hoc committee requirements of your rules and of the Hawaii Revised Statues. But we have been doing some research on different types of groups and how they're framed, and responsibilities delegated that were differently. And so the answer to your question, I don't know. But I will look at it and make any recommendations that would be appropriate at the next meeting. MS. KIMBALL: Thank you, Judge Strance. Yeah, this is interesting me. Obviously, as a new member—you know, I'll just speak generally, I was going to do this later, but this is as a good of time. You know, I really find in board -type situations the ability to form small working groups to collaborate and focus upon issues that they are passionate about is very constructive and efficient. One of the things that I haven't thought of is the consideration that it could be exclusionary, or it could preclude the board as a whole from talking about an issue, if it's been taken on by this designated subgroup, and so those are of course things to consider. But I appreciate you both putting this forward. I think it's absolutely necessary. You know, we've all talked about budgeting for outcomes, and I think that would be a transformative process for us as a County. Would love to see us do more with—Council Member Richards says, "Do more with less"; I say, "Do more with the amount we have." But, I would love to see that. So I will support this, but I would like to see a couple of tweaks as we take it to the next step. Thanks. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Mr. Richards, go ahead. MR. RICHARDS: Thank you, Chair; and thanks, Council Women Kierkiewicz and Lee Loy on this. Our CIP budget is a little bit nebulous and always has been. We've never really focused on how to articulate a great direction of—granted this is done in concert with the administration. But sitting here and listening to the conversation and realizing we can start characterizing and prioritizing, based upon a bunch of different metrics, and maybe that's the direction you're headed with it. You can base it upon, and both directors have articulated this. It could be on safety. It could be on upgrade. It could be on capacity. It could be on function, meaning whether it's a part versus a solid waste transfer station. I think it could also be prioritized on different tiers of funding and funding availability. I think it'll also be based upon geographical area. Page 17 FC -13 June 15, 2021 So I think by starting to actually put those metrics together, and if you see it's kind of across Polynesia and across several of those levels, then we can start getting and identifying those priorities, which would then help us dictate going forward, the funding, and finding that funding, whether it's bonds or whatever the case may be to get this stuff done. So, I like the direction. A little bit reminiscent of the grant-in-aid. It's not so important right now because we're still trying to figure out the metrics; it's for next cycle that we go through that will start to show itself. So I definitely support this going forward because I think this is taking a swing at that and trying to figure out how to get those priorities identified and articulated, which makes all the sense. And coming back to what Council Woman Kimball said, more clear, more transparent articulation and process that starts identifying those priorities, so I definitely support it. I'm going to be thinking a lot on, as we go forward. Thanks, Chair. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mahalo, Mr. Richards. Ms. Villegas, go ahead. MS. VILLEGAS: Yes, thank you, Council Members Kierkiewicz and Lee Loy for bringing—it's something that we've talked about before, budgeting for outcomes and needs assessments. And having it incorporated in a resolution like this, I think, creates a powerful opportunity for objective quantifiable strategies. My only question would be then, and kind of echoes a bit of what Council Member Kimball said, is potential inclusion of—when I think of Department of Environmental Management and our need for waste, when it comes to CIP stuff I see that as being one of the largest department needing CIP project improvements. And then also, Parks and Recreation, we were actually just yesterday in a call about a park in District 7, and somebody from Planning, thank you, Bethany, once again, was taking a look at some of the CIP funding allocated there that potentially could be used to help benefit that park. So just would—maybe you suggest—it was something I remember Deanna saying in our lengthy budget meetings was—what do we have, 19 departments or something and told, 12 departments but there are only certain departments that actually get most of the funding. They also get the hot seat more often than others. But just the potential of including those two departments and those department heads in this. We're just looking at the potential value of adding them into the conversation. Yeah, so those are just my two cents on that. So, thank you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Villegas. Council? Okay, seeing none, yeah, I have some comments on this, of course. Now one, I'm glad to see that someone agreed with me that our capital budget this year was just not well done. Besides being the normal, like we saw on this resolution, Page 18 FC -13 June 15, 2021 15 years. Mr. Kern, do we have a list of what will be done, as our Charter states in Section 10-6, to date? MR. KERN: We have a CIP list with all the projects on there as we do at the end of every budget cycle, and that would be getting compiled based on the funding that it's going out for, and that would usually be through the administration and then would come to Council. Other than that, I have no more information on a more of a refined list at this point and time. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Did you review the list of the proposed capital improvements this year? MR. KERN: Yeah, we went through it. We met with every department, and they put their list down; and we went through that and talked with some about their prioritization, and then that goes into the ultimate list that the Mayor signs off on. And in this case, you know, Planning is more of a facilitation through that. We don't get into a lot of the nitty-gritty on what their priorities are. Certainly, asked questions about it to have it make sense, but that's about it. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: But that you guys who recommend the order of their priority, correct? MR. KERN: No, they do. So like I said, we sit down with every department and go through their—so let's say, you know, it's Police, for example, and they'll have their list. We'll talk about it, understand it, and then that list will move forward. We don't create those priorities. The departments do. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. I'm reading this resolution, and one of the Charter requirements states, the Planning Director shall review the list of proposed capital improvements contemplated by agencies of the County and recommend the order of their priority." MR. KERN: So we review the list, but again, I'm not going to tell the department what their priority is. We work in conjunction with the departments; and thus, needs assessments based on metrics and data I think would be very helpful to that. Clearly, when we're reviewing something, if I see something that looks out of place, I'll talk with the director or their representative about it. But they're still the ones that come out with their priorities. They know their departments better than the Planning Department does. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Now, what escaped me is that, you know, our CharterI think the purpose of the Charter language is to say, the Council shall know what's going happen going forward, and with the current set up we don't. It's more of a proposed list of projects that could be undertaken. Page 19 FC -13 June 15, 2021 It's just a giant, hundreds of millions of dollars wish list, and it just and doesn't do anybody good. So, I appreciate the thought part behind this. One thing I would like to say to the creators of the resolution is, is I don't want this to be lopsided. If there is aregardless of a needs assessment or, you know, merit behind the choices, District 3 and 4 guiding the discussion, I think it should be a balanced viewpoint, attacking which capital improvements and projects can go forward, and coming back with that discussion to the Council. It's important that we have both Kona and Hilo represented in that discussion going forward. And I say that because there's always been a struggle between east and west, and we have such a huge priority difference between Kona and Hilo. There's always been that. So if we perpetuate that gap, it doesn't do us any good. So I think in moving forward with this, it would be good to at least include some member from Kona so that we know when we're coming back that there's been a good overall discussion from the working group and with the Planning directors or Department of Public Works, everybody, so that a report really does have some solidarity for island -wide movement. I don't know if that makes sense to the creators of that. That would be something I'd be wanting to see an amendment done before I be comfortable with moving forward on this. But again, I mean I just I really had to scratch my head looking at our capital budget, and trying to figure out who was in charge of what and where a list is of projects that will actually be done in the coming year, and understanding the complexity of the funding levels, and sources, and projects that are shovel -ready or not. It's very confusing, but it shouldn't be. It should be very simple. So I agree with the resolution, but I'd like to see more balance when it comes to the working group itself. I believe you can do up to four people for your working group. So I'd like to see more balance within this. That would be my only comments. But again, mahalo for putting this forward. This is much needed and can help kind of break that silo mentality as mentioned, and actually make some motion here as a Council and as a community. So with that, I yield. I'd like to hear from the drafters their thoughts on increasing that balance. You both have your lights on. MS. LEE LOY: She was first. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. Yeah, I just want to reiterate. I know comment was made about east and west; let's not forget about North Hawaii and Ka`u. I think they often get missed, left out of the conversation. This process that we have come up with was designed to take the politics out of decision-making. There is no Council District 3 and 4 setting the priorities of Page 20 FC -13 June 15, 2021 what gets funded. It is nearly providing a system, a starting point, for us to take a look at. This is the information we have so that when it comes to budget time, every single one of us can make good, responsible, transparent decisions. All we're doing is curating all of that information for you. And I've the opportunity to work with Sue on a number of occasions. We're on the same speed, we get each other, and so I just appreciate the nature of our working relationship. And it just so happens that we are Chair, respectively, of Planning and Public Works, which often has a lot of kuleana in terms of like, you know, various development pieces. So that's the reason why we've taken this step to work together in this capacity. But again, this is about providing every single Council Member from here on forward, just critical data set so that we can make good decisions. This is not political. This is just doing the hard work, of like finding that information and getting it out there. And I bring that up because there are a lot of grant fund opportunities available to us. For instance, I'm working with the Fire Department right now to take a look at every single one of our firefighter facilities, so that we can go after historic restoration funds and other facility funds. There really is not repository of information that says, "Here are all the fire stations. This is when they were built. And here is a maintenance log and all of the investments that have happened over time." That's lacking. So it's really doing that hard work of making those assessments so that we have information going forward of different grant opportunities, or know what kind of bonds we want to be leveraging, and making good investments in our facilities. So, I'm happy with the structure. You know, I appreciate the comments that have been brought forward. I do like the idea of potentially extending the invitation to Parks & Rec and Environmental Management. I don't want to speak on their behalf, so I certainly want to check back with them to make sure that they're okay with taking on this additional kuleana. Thank you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Ms. Kimball, go ahead. MS. KIMBALL: Thank you. I think to do this really well, it's going to take a lot of time, so I appreciate you guys stepping up and doing this. And it might be even necessary, and I don't know if your staff are going to be even enough to do all the data collection and analysis, you know, really database design. But one comment I wanted to follow-up with, Mr. Kaneali`i- Kleinfelder's comment. That's kind of why I wanted a preview of the metrics before you proceeded, because I think that understanding the methodology and transparency that will be gleaned from that helps with this potential political lens on it. I think it's also a test, right? If you guys come back to us and say, "Wow, look, all three Page 21 FC -13 June 15, 2021 or four has all the important CIP projects," that's a pretty big signal to us that we need to check your methodology. And just reminding all of my colleagues, we will have a chance to evaluate your process after you're done then. I definitely appreciate that both of you have the best interests of our County as a whole in mind, and I'm not concerned about that because I think we'll have chances to evaluate on the way. But if, you know, my colleagues from Kona feel like they'd like to participate, there's more than enough work to go around. I think it's based on what you're trying to bite off. Thanks, Chair. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Mr. Inaba. MR. INABA: Yeah, I'd just like to add really quick. If you are considering talking with Information Technology and DEM to amend this resolution, I would be interested in sitting in on this working group and contributing. So I'll follow up with you folks on this item. Thank you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Inaba. Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, thank you. I mean, I hear everyone's passion and hunger behind all of this. I think the first step really is getting all this information in one place, and that's not what's available. And yes, it is a lot of work. Myself and Ms. Kierkiewicz really hum when it comes to hard work. And having, you know, Director Rodenhurst and Director Kern, who has some of those information that we would be gleaning off. And ideally, like this needs assessment that we keep talking about, that we just don't have, ideally, as Ms. Kierkiewicz said, it's curating all of that into one place, and then unleashing each Council Member to take a look at it and then leverage their networks. I have a Hawaiian Homes community. I actually have two, and they're going to be bringing money in through their funding sources through the State. And if there is a way that I could improve the district by understanding what the entire community needs, and then using that as a model where other Council Members in their respective districts could model and use and then secure more resources, I think this is how we will truly lift up the entire island. And I don't see it as for a specific Council district, I see it as a roadmap for the entire island, and then giving it back to each Council Member to utilize their skillsets, their network, and their social capital to turn around and transform each district collectively, with a big lens at how we move our entire island forward. I hear loud and clear the need for balance, I hear the need as far as a decision analysis. That's going to set the stage, so it really does take the politics out of it. Page 22 FC -13 June 15, 2021 And one other piece that I'm really interested in is the return on investment. So for example, like with our parks. If we had rehabilitate a pavilion, could that pavilion charge more in fees so that it would become self-sufficient and take care of itself? And then I'm really excited kumu.io, which is the journey mapping tool that April Suprenant mentioned during one of our conversations, about how this becomes a spiderweb, and how we plug in this information for each Council Member to use individually or wholly. I really appreciate the passion and support behind this, and I look forward to further refinement so that everybody actually gets what they need out of the work that's about to emerge out of this. Chair, I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Ms. David, go ahead. MS. DAVID: Yes, thank you, Chair. And I just had one question. And thank you, ladies, for your creativity and trying to find solutions for our CIP problems, ongoing. And I'm just having a question that I understand Corporation Counsel Strance had said that she would check into some good questions that you guys were asking, I mean, someone was asking. I think it was Ms. Kimball, yes. And based on that, I would really like to hear that first. So for meI'm not sure how you folks want to proceed, whether you want to move forward with this until—and then contingent upon what we hear from Corporation Counsel. I was just wondering what your thoughts were on that, on how to proceed. And then also, one really quick question, I see Directors Kern and Rodenhurst here. Did youI'm curious what Finance, as they're one of the partners or one of the participants in this, what is their position on this working group? Do you know, ladies? Finance, no? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair David, she was consulted. She was part of crafting the resolution. MS. DAVID: Oh, okay. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, she MS. DAVID: Okay, I was just curious what their position was too. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, early iteration of this was actually forwarded to Deanna and Mayor Roth, and the entire concept was embraced by them. Page 23 FC -13 June 15, 2021 MS. DAVID: Okay, cool. Thank you. So I'll leave it at that. That's my comments as far as how I want to proceed, but it's totally up to you ladies. Considering them, waiting, I'd like to hear what Corp. Counsel says. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. David. MR. KERN: Mr. Chair? You go first. MR. RODENHURST: Thank you, Director Kern. And thank you, Council, for considering this. One of the things that I want to put forward, it's weighing on my mind, is this isn't these decisions for CIP. It isn't dictated by the numbers of the Council district but by the numbers of the metrics that we're going to put forward. This isn't political. This is based on the needs of the County as a whole, and that means the County as its operating function, but also the County as the people and doing what's right by all of them. And that's really what we're trying to accomplish here, in our collaboration with the Council, with the different departments. And putting that forward, just because a department isn't listed on this resolution and this working group, doesn't mean they're not going to be considered. Like I mentioned at the beginning of this, we at DPW interact with, you know, every single department on a daily basis, and we have to work together to move this County forward. So I just want to put that out there that we're willing to work with every department, and we want to see these metrics and make decisions based off of the needs of the community, not off of the needs of a certain district but what our community needs. So, I just want to put that out there. MR. KERN: Mr. Chair, if I may? I was going to basically the exact same thing. This isn't so much about any particular person or department, it's really about, to me it's about the process, and looking at the entire island. It's always been my mindset, and so I am excited to be a part of this. I will say that time is probably not on our side with all the rest of the stuff that we have going, so I'm hoping for a nice smooth and efficient process, to create a smooth efficient process. Thank you very much. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Directors. Ms. Villegas, go ahead. MS. VILLEGAS: Yeah, thank you for qualifying and validating the intentions of the group, that not having to do with politics. I guess I just want to put in for that, that I would very much like to see Council Member Inaba participate in the working group. He's expressed the desire to. I think he would add a lot to the conversation. Well, those are statements being made, apparently by the Page 24 FC -13 June 15, 2021 administration, unfortunately, historically in this County as it's very common and anywhere that humans interact, constituents on the west side are likely to hold great concern. And so it's an opportunity to remedy that potential challenge or pushback. I know that my email box may blow up based on that. And so I think that a great solution would be to include Mr. Inaba in this working group, he has expressed a desire to participate. Thank you for clarifying, Mr. Rodenhurst, that other departments will be included in the overall scope, I suppose you could call it "scope of work." I know after speaking to Director of Parks and Recreation, Maurice Messina, something that he's had on his radar for getting completed, is a complete list of every park and every piece of equipment in every park; and by looking at that, then it's much easier to objectively, systematically, and quantify the CIP needs, you know, in that—for those facilities. And to me I see that as the only means to really strategically navigate and communicate to our County residents where we stand. You know, okay, we have this many parks, we have this many—let's take water fountains, for example; and if we have 200 and 55 of them are broken, okay, how many can we fix each year? It reminds me of a word problem from math back in the day. But it provides ways and means to show progress, as well. Something that also came to mind here, is the`Aina Aloha Initiative that you ladies brought forward with a resolution for us to—and we all voted unanimously to incorporate it into our decision-making processes as a body, as well as kind of a foundation, a benchmark, of requirements for how we'd like to see other developments and projects looked at. And I wondered if that might not me a metric that could be incorporated into this system, and utilized. I think it could be really powerful and impactful. They have created the metric. They have, you know, the different things in existence, so it may need some editing, but I know that you ladies have strong relationships there, and so that may provide a wonderful tool But just in closing, I just would suggest and would hope for the inclusion of our colleague, Mr. Inaba, potentially in this working group as it continues in this formation process. So, thank you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Villegas. Council? Ms. Kimball, go ahead. MS. KIMBALL: Yeah, I'm just going to make a procedural comment. My sense is, generally when we need to edit stuff, we should keep it here in Committee. Now, if we do that with some amendments, we're looking at next—first week of July to do it in Committee and then get it to Council the third week in July, given that our two directors on the screen there have a little bit of a project on their hands that's got a deadline in late July, would that be acceptable, I think, to you ladies, to keep here and make these amendments that have been suggested today, Page 25 FC -13 June 15, 2021 and then we can forward a clean resolution to Council? I do want to just reiterate that I'd really like to see written in, a preview of the metrics before you guys get deep into analysis. I understand those metrics may change once you go begin the analysis process. But, something I'd like to have whole body look at. Thanks. I yield, Chair. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Mr. Inaba. MR. INABA: Yeah, and with the Sunshine Law, I just realized I better not email Council Members Kierkiewicz and Lee Loy. So I just would like to reaffirm my statement earlier, that I would like to sit in the working group, if you folks would agree to that. So this is my formal and only communication regarding that request. Thank you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That was a very good comment to make, sir, and thank you very much for saying that, and I do appreciate your comment. I will support you on the Committee, as well, or the group. Ms. Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, thank you. You know, I'm sitting here digesting a lot. And so I actually do think it might be worth it to keep it here in Committee and look for the iterations coming forward. I think Judge Strance will have some guidance too, along that. Because then actually we move into something else, once we get the third Council Member, which becomes an ad hoc and which is governed by a whole `nother set of rules. Ideally you know, my vision for this was go get all the information, put it all together, and then give it back. But I also am very mindful of our timeline; because if we do this work on top of all the other work that all the directors have, we want to be able to return it back to you folks, which is actually about a six-month window, and so I'm digesting it. So I actually think it would give us a little bit more time if we kept it here in Committee, but I would want to move it out after that. And then I did want to mention the Aloha Plus Challenge and the change framework definitely is some of those foundational tools that I'm looking at. Because as we transform how we do things as an island, we want it to have longer lasting impacts and meet other goals, and so that definitely is some of the framework that I'm thinking about. And then to answer Ms. Kimball's question, because it is a lot of work, my office is taking on a whole bunch of student interns and really engaging some young adults to kind of use this as possibly their capstone project, or something along those lines, which is why I can confidently say it's not—intentionally, it's not set up to be political. It's actually set up to become a needs assessment and engage our college students who actually don't have a radar on politics right there. Page 26 FC -13 June 15, 2021 They're going to have a radar on their capstone project. Those are my thoughts, so I yield at this time. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. MS. VILLEGAS: My apologies. Did I say Aloha Plus Challenge? I'm sorry, I meant to said `Rina Aloha Initiative. Okay. No, my apologies. Both great platforms and paradigms for replication. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you for clarifying that, Ms. Villegas. Ms. Kierkiewicz, go ahead. Motion to Postpone: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to postpone Res. 142-21 to July 6, 2021. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mr. Clerk, we have motion on the floor to postpone Resolution 142-21 to the July 6sorry, what was that—July 6 meeting, and that was seconded by Ms. Lee Loy, and let's have a vote on that. MR. HENRICKS: Mr. Chair, I'm sorry, before you call for the vote assuming this is adopted, I just wanted to note that the agenda indicates this was introduced by Ms. Lee Loy—it was introduced Ms. Kierkiewicz and Ms. Lee Loy, so I just wanted to correct that for the record. Sorry for interrupting you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: No, no, not at all, sir. Thank you. You are our stickler for details, and I appreciate that. Okay, so can I proceed with that motion to postpone? MR. HENRICKS: Well, the motion to postpone is July 6, made by Ms. Kierkiewicz, seconded by Ms. Lee Loy. That is the motion on the floor. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, all in favor or postponement? Vote on Motion The motion to postpone Res. 142-21 to July 6, 2021, to Postpone: was carried by the following voice vote: (Approved) Ayes: Committee Members David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Cannellini-Kleinfelder – 8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Chung – 1. Excused: None. Page 27 FC -13 June 15, 2021 CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you for good conversation, Council Members. And I believe that does bring us to the end of our agenda today, Mr. Clerk. ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 2:34 p.m. Ms. Lee Loy moved to adjourn MENT: the meeting. Seconded by Mr. Inaba and carried by the following voice vote: Approved: Mr. Matt Kdneali`i- Finance Committee MK/na Ayes: Committee Members David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kdneali`i-Kleinfelder — 8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Chung — 1. Excused: None. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you very much. We are adjourned. einfelder, (Date) Page 28