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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN FC 2022/01/04 2020-2022 Committee on Finance 25th Session Hawaii County Building 25 Aupuni Street Hilo, Hawaii January 4, 2022 CALL TO The regular meeting of the Committee on Finance was called to order at ORDER: 1:00 p.m., in the Council Chambers, Hilo, by Mr. Matt Kaneali`i- Kleinfelder, Chair. ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Matt Kaneali`i- Kleinfelder, Chair Ms. Heather L. Kimball, Vice Chair Mr. Aaron S. Y. Chung, Member Ms. Maile Medeiros David, Member Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Member Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member Mr. Herbert M. "Tim" Richards III, Member Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member (via videoconference) STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items. PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS: The Chair called Shelly Mahi, who registered to speak regarding Comm. 267.2, and came forward when called. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I think I missed saying I'm going to bring this meeting to order, so we're in order. Mr. Clerk, could we go to our first order of business, Communication 27.3? COMMUNI- The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, CATIONS: Communications. Comm. 27.3: 2021 ANNUAL REPORT: REAL PROPERTY TAX BOARD OF REVIEW From Real Property Tax Board of Review Chair Michael Hughes, dated December 1, 2021, transmitting the above report pursuant to Hawaii County Code Section 19-97(e). FC-25 January 4,2022 Motion to Close File: Ms. Kimball moved to close file on Comm. 27.3. Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Council Members, discussion. Anyone? Ms. Villegas, if you have anything to add just let me know, please. MS. VILLEGAS: Will do. Thank you, Matt. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, Ms. Kierkiewicz, go ahead. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. I just want to recognize the hard work of the Real Property Tax Office. Thank you, Deputy Administrator Keita Jo for being here, and for all of the members of this board for undertaking this work. In my few years on the Council the message has consistently been education, communication, and constant engagement, and that's what RPT (Real Property Tax) has provided for these folks, and I really do appreciate their very thoughtful recommendations in this report to us. So, thank you. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Real Property, do you want to add anything to conversation today? No, not today? Okay. Okay, Council Members, any further discussion? Okay, seeing none. We have a motion on the floor to close file on Communication 27.3, all in favor? Vote on Comm. 27.3: The motion to close file on Comm. 27.3 was carried Filed by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Communication 30.19, please. Comm. 30.19: REPORT OF FUND TRANSFERS AUTHORIZED: NOVEMBER 1 — 15, 2021 From Controller Kay Oshiro, dated November 30, 2021. Page 2 FC-25 January 4,2022 Vote on Comm. 30.19: Ms. Kimball moved to close file on Comm. 30.19. Filed Seconded by Mr. Richards and was carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. Comm. 31.25: REPORT OF CHANGE ORDERS AUTHORIZED: NOVEMBER 1 — 15, 2021 From Finance Director Deanna Sako, dated November 23, 2021, transmitting the above report pursuant to Hawaii County Code Section 2-12.3. Motion to Close File: Ms. Kimball moved to close file on Comm. 31.25. Seconded by Mr. Richards. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Any discussion, Council Members? Ms. Kimball, go ahead. MS. KIMBALL: Yeah,just quickly. There's a change order attributed to Fleming & Associates, which is my husband's architecture firm which I have no authority or say in, but just disclosing that. Since this is just receiving the report, I don't see it influences my ability to make a fair and unbiased decision. Thank you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you for stating that, Ms. Kimball. Anyoh, Mr. Inaba, go ahead. MR. INABA: Yeah, thank you. Regarding that same project, I believe Council Member Kimball had meetings with her community regarding the demolition of Papa`aloa Gym there. So this change order, is that enough? I'm not sure who I'm asking this question to. Maybe Deanna? But is that enough to cover? What is that covering exactly? Just the planning for the demolition? And what is the outlook for this project going to be? (Note: At this time, Finance Director Deanna Sako came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. SAKO: Hi. I think that is just for the planning for the demolition. And then they are amending the construction contract as well, I believe to—or they're going to bid it out to demolish that gym. And then we'll make future plans later, when funding becomes available. Page 3 FC-25 January 4,2022 MR. INABA: Okay, makes sense. And then the last item in this report, this is for the completion of our General Plan. I don't know, what is this, the second change order for this? Is this going to be final amount needed to get this done? MS. SAKO: I didn't ask them if this is going to be the final amount. But I know this is to review the draft that was available, and make the modifications based on comments they received. MR. INABA: And this funding, this extra $75,000, is going to this contractor, and they do an outside review. Of these last pages, is that right? MS. SAKO: Correct. MR. INABA: Okay. Thank you, Deanna. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Inaba. Thank you, Ms. Sako. Any further questions from the Council? Seeing none, we have a motion on the floor. All in favor? Vote on Comm. 31.25: The motion to close file on Comm. 31.25 was carried Filed by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Moving to Communication 31.26. Comm. 31.26: REPORT OF CHANGE ORDERS AUTHORIZED: NOVEMBER 16—30, 2021 From Finance Director Deanna Sako, dated December 2, 2021, transmitting the above report pursuant to Hawaii County Code Section 2-12.3. Motion to Close File: Ms. Kimball moved to close file on Comm. 31.26. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Any discussion, Council Members? Ms. Kierkiewicz, go ahead. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. Director Sako, I'm not sure if you can answer this particular question related to the Civil Defense operation expansion. I'm just curious if the professional consultation services are for existing space or planned and future Civil Defense operations. Page 4 FC-25 January 4,2022 (Note: At this time, Finance Director Deanna Sako came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. SAKO: I believe that's the current project that they're doing right now: the renovation, the small expansions, and then this was specifically more for the data line. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. MS. SAKO: To kind of protect them a little bit more. To help protect our data, as well. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Got it. Okay, thank you for the clarification and extra details. Thanks, Chair. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Okay, seeing no further discussion. Council Members, I have a motion on the floor. All in favor? Vote on Comm. 31.26: The motion to close file on Comm. 31.26 was carried Filed by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Let's go to Communication 57.4,please. Comm. 57.4: REPORT OF DONATIONS RECEIVED FROM THE DANIEL R. SAYRE MEMORIAL FOUNDATION AS OF DECEMBER 6, 2021 From Finance Director Deanna Sako, dated December 15, 2021, transmitting the above report pursuant to Resolution 468-20. Motion to Close File: Ms. Kimball moved to close file on Comm. 57.4. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy. (Note: At this time, Finance Director Deanna Sako came forward to address the members of the Committee.) CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Council Members, any discussion? Pretty straightforward. Mr. Inaba, go ahead. Page 5 FC-25 January 4,2022 MR. INABA: Yeah, thank you. Just real quick. I think every chance we get to mahalo the Sayres and all of their volunteers and staff within the foundation who help make these donations possible I think we should take advantage of. So mahalo on behalf of the Council and all of our folks in the Fire Department. Mahalo, Chair. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Inaba. Anyone else? And I, too, would like to mahalo them. There's an email that went around earlier this week, and I responded with, you know, "Mahalo for everything that you guys do." They really do a lot for our County, specifically. Yeah, thank you to them, if you're watching. Any further discussion? We have a motion on the floor, all in favor? Vote on Comm. 57.4: The motion to close file on Comm. 57.4 was carried Filed by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Next order of business, please. Comm. 267.2: SUPPLEMENT TO DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION'S EVALUATION OF APPLICATIONS FOR 2020 STEWARDSHIP GRANTS FOR COUNTY LANDS ACQUIRED THROUGH THE PUBLIC ACCESS, OPEN SPACE, AND NATURAL RESOURCES PRESERVATION FUND From Parks and Recreation Director Maurice C. Messina, dated December 15, 2021, transmitting an updated list of recommended applicants along with amended budgets for each stewardship program. The organizations being recommended for approval are Ho`omalu Ka`u for Kahua Olohu in Ka`u; Na Mamo O Kawa for Kawa/Kawa Bay; and P6h5h5 I Ka Lani for the Waipi`o Valley Lookout. Motion to Close File: Ms. Kimball moved to close file on Comm. 267.2. Seconded by Mr. Richards. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Council Members, discussion. MS. KIMBALL: It would actually be nice if Director Messina was available. I'm not sure if he's around or on Zoom. Or anyone from Parks and Recreation. Page 6 FC-25 January 4,2022 Motion to Table: Ms. Kimball moved to table Comm. 267.2 to the end of the agenda. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, we have a motion to table Communication 267.2 to the end of the meeting today, so we can get ahold of Mr. Messina, and a second by Ms. Lee Loy. Any discussion on the motion? Okay, Mr. Clerk? MR. BROWN: Could you take the vote,please? CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yes. All in favor of tabling Communication 267.2 to the end of the meeting? Vote on Motion The motion to table Comm. 267.2 to the end of the to Table: agenda was carried by the following voice vote: (Approved) Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, see if we can get him on his way. Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Let's go ahead and move to Communication 561. Comm. 561: NOMINATION OF MADELINE GREENE TO THE COST OF GOVERNMENT COMMISSION From Mayor Mitchell D. Roth, dated December 15, 2021, requesting the Council's review and confirmation. Requires Council Confirmation by: January 28, 2022 (Section 13-4(k), Hawaii County Charter) Page 7 FC-25 January 4,2022 Vote on Comm. 561: Ms. Kimball moved to recommend confirmation of (Approved) the appointment of Ms. Madeline Greene to the Cost of Government Commission. Seconded by Mr. Inaba and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. Executive Assistant to the Mayor Pomaika`i Bartolome came forward and provided a brief narrative of the nominee's background and experience. Committee Members spoke in favor of the appointment. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, Mr. Clerk, go to Communication 562. Comm. 562: NOMINATION OF SHANNON MATSON TO THE COST OF GOVERNMENT COMMISSION From Mayor Mitchell D. Roth, dated December 16, 2021, requesting the Council's review and confirmation. Requires Council Confirmation by: January 29, 2022 (Section 13-4(k), Hawaii County Charter) Vote on Comm. 562: Ms. Kimball moved to recommend confirmation of (Approved) the appointment of Ms. Shannon Matson to the Cost of Government Commission. Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. Executive Assistant to the Mayor Pomaika`i Bartolome came forward and provided a brief narrative of the nominee's background and experience. Committee Members spoke in favor of the appointment. MS. LEE LOY: Chair? Page 8 FC-25 January 4,2022 Vote to Remove Ms. Lee Loy moved to remove Comm. 267.2 from the from Table: table. Seconded by Ms. Kimball. (Approved) Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder–9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, Mr. Messina, thank you for joining us. The motion is off the table. We are free to talk about it now. Please come forward. And thank you for being here. (Note: At this time, Parks and Recreation Director Maurice Messina came forward to address the members of the Committee.) CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Director, go ahead, please. MR. MESSINA: Good afternoon, Council. Maurice Messina, Director of Parks and Recreation. Sorry for my absence earlier, I was dealing with a COVID (Coronavirus Disease) issue at my office, or my department I should say. So we submitted the amended budgets for three of our PONC (Preservation Open Space and Natural Resources Commission) Stewardship grant applicants. There was one applicant that we still denied—recommended denial for because of environmental impact actions have to do with their Stewardship grant application. And the last one we again, with our recommendation, denied because we couldn't see how it fit within the PONC Stewardship grant. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Which ones were that,just for our information? MR. MESSINA: Hold on one second. So Kahuku Coastal Property, Applicant Cave Conservancy of Hawaii, that was the one that triggers HRS (Hawai`i Revised Statutes) 343, which is environmental impact; and the other one was National Parks Arts Foundation, this was the one where they wanted to utilize the PONC fund to view night skies at PONC properties. We just couldn't see how that would fit into the foundation, as written. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Director Messina. Council Members, discussion? Mr. Inaba, go ahead. Page 9 FC-25 January 4,2022 MR. INABA: Thank you. And just to confirm, so these budget narratives and the budget that are in this communication are what you approved? MR. MESSINA: Correct. MR. INABA: Thank you. Okay, that's all, Chair. MR. MESSINA: Yes, so we went out to the applicants, and there were things like fuel cost and paying the volunteers and such. Also while I'm here, we have completed our first review of the 2021 applications. It's a long document. It's about 14, 15 pages right now. I've got to do a second review of it, after my team went through first, to make sure that I'm keeping in line with everything that we submitted for recommendation for 2020. There's also a couple of things that I want to speak with the Finance Director about, that she understands what our recommendations are before they take over the program. Since they will be managing the program, I want to make sure she understands why we made the recommendations we did. Make sure we're all on the same page before it comes to Council. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Thank you, Director. Any further discussion? Ms. Kimball, go ahead. MS. KIMBALL: Hi. Thank you, Director, for being here. Just a couple of questions. So what were the sorts of things that you were seeing? I know we talked about this when you came before us again, but the things that they were putting into their budget that we couldn't accept, that were violation of the rules. What are we looking at doing to make sure that the next time they submit budgets they're not submitting these things again? Are we providing them with a little bit more guidance? MR. MESSINA: I'm trying to think off the top of my head on this one. But I believe it was kind of like what I stated; like fuel cost to travel to and from like their home of residence to the PONC property, fuel cost to transport some of the equipment. And also, I believe it was some food cost to pay the volunteers and also paying the volunteers—or reimbursement of volunteers, if I remember correctly. So we went back to each of the applicants, and we told them that that these were the issues that we saw, and we pretty much worked it all out. And what are we doing to make sure this doesn't happen again, that's the process I'm going through right now, with all the new applicants that we have. Because internally, we're trying to even make a decision, and we're going to be talking with the Director of Finance about this. Even about the fuel, you know, is the fuel being Page 10 FC-25 January 4,2022 used for, like the weed-eaters and stuff like that? And how do we break that out into maybe a subcategory of their budget, towards a little bit more explanatory. We're also seeing in this 2021 grant applications, there are some that are—like we know that there's a need. We've actually spoken to the folks out there. But when they submitted their grantor their stewardship application, there could have been a lot more work done on it. And so we want to work with these guys to see if there's a way that they can shore them up a little bit more. MS. KIMBALL: I think when we talked about this before, there were some concerns about equipment purchases and whether they were actually equipment purchased to be actually used on the property and things like that. Has that been resolved to your satisfaction? MR. MESSINA: That will be resolved, I believe to my satisfaction, when we have some type of component in place to actually be able to go out to the PONC properties, and actually while the management is taking place and the stewardship is taking place, to do spot-checks on them. Right now, we feel that these particular applicants, that they are doing what they are set out to do, yeah. MS. KIMBALL: Great. And remind me, this is the last time the 2021's are the last ones that you'll review, and from then on it's going into Finance? MR. MESSINA: Correct. MS. KIMBALL: Okay, great. Thank you again for being here. Happy New Year. And I appreciate you answering our questions. That's all, Chair. I yield. MR. MESSINA: You're welcome. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Ms. Kierkiewicz. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. Aloha, Director. Great to see you. Thanks for being here. Couple questions. And thanks for this report and helping the nonprofits sort of resolve it. You talked about having some recommendations for Finance. Are you also going to share that with the Commission? Because I know they're undertaking a comprehensive review of the application process itself, and finding ways in which they can make—applying a bit more equitable, and streamlined, and accessible and easy for nonprofits. MR. MESSINA: That's actually the biggest part that I need to speak with the Finance Director about. Page 11 FC-25 January 4,2022 MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. MR. MESSINA: Our last page, the report that we have right now, are some recommendations from our department on ways to make the process a little bit more robust and easier for the applicants. But I believe that this needs to be something that's coordinated with our department and with the Finance Department, because I need to make sure we're saying this the right way, and that we are doing the best for the applicants and for the stewards that want to work it. And that it's just not what's best for the County, but also what's best for the stewards of the properties. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: I appreciate you saying that. What does the final report back, or mid-term report look like to the County from applicants? Who receives that? And is there a process for them to kind of submit, you know,photos, descriptions, summaries of work, in their meeting the goals and objectives of their application? MR. MESSINA: Yeah, there are quarterly reports that are due to us. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. Can you just kind of illuminate us around what kind of content they submit? MR. MESSINA: Okay. So for instance, let's mention Kawa. They'll come out and they'll say, "Okay, in the last three months this is our budget expenditures. This is what we've accomplished. These are the groups of kids that have come out and have learned. These are our volunteer efforts. These are our volunteer manhours." And if there's an expectation that they're going to meet their budget or if they're going over their budget, and if they have any issues with that, they'll let us know right at that time. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay, that way you can see if you have to move some things around between categories? MR. MESSINA: Yes, Ma'am. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. I'd love for us to explore other ways in which we can help our nonprofit community kind of tell the stories of their stewarding place, and what that means to people that are engaged in that work. Like you talked about the kids, I can't even imagine what it's like for them to be away from the device, outside of the classroom, in the environment, rewilding themselves. That's a radical shift. And I'd love for us to be able to go from just saying that in a report, but finding ways to really communicate that out into the community, so we can understand the impact. Not just from a fiscal standpoint, but what it means for us as people, and our investment in each other, and building community and building this place. Page 12 FC-25 January 4,2022 MR. MESSINA: Yeah, I agree 100 percent. When you go out there for instance when we went out to Kawa, and I forget,was it Volcano Art School? I can't remember which school was out there. But they were doing a restoration of some of the freshwater ponds. You know, the kids were out there moving rocks. They're out there swimming in the ponds. They're really, really connecting. And you can see the hard work—doing a lot of hard work, and just beautifying all the surroundings. And everybody is smiling, everybody is having a great time. So, I agree with you. You know, whether there's webpages that some of these groups have set up to share their experiences. Or if they want to come in and speak to the Council about their experiences, I agree 100 percent. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: And there are apps. for that, that help communities sort of take back their narrative and kind of share the story on their terms. And so, happy to explore that with you. Don't want to overstep my bounds, but certainly happy to provide some recommendations of some tools that might help with that, for sure. MR. MESSINA: Sounds good. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. And then I also did want to elevate again the work that's happening in the Planning Department. I believe one of their fellows is mapping all the different PONC properties that we've acquired, but also that are on the books. You know, at some point in time, exploring, kind of moving into acquisition. But I think just knowing what we have, what the possibilities are, and who the caretakers are, are to our benefit. That way when we are looking at making investments, using the PONC money or the Stewardship funds, we can really take that equitable approach and find partners in more communities to take care of these lands. I also think that there is a way to take that information and leverage it, and find other partners in philanthropy in the private sector to give money, right? If they know what the County is contributing, where there might be some gaps and funding, it's an opportunity for them to kind of step up and contribute, as well. I think you know all this, but I certainly wanted to just elevate it. Because there's a lot of great work that's happening, and I don't think we give ourselves enough credit and do the humble-brag. So, happy to humble-brag for you. MR. MESSINA: Well, also on that, there's a lot of ways we can get better. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Absolutely. Page 13 FC-25 January 4,2022 MR. MESSINA: And that's what we want to do. We want to not—you know, continual process improvement. And I think also with Finance and the expertise they have in-house too, that the process is just going to continue to get better. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Yeah. And thank you, Director Sako, for just doing that leap with us. Kind of moving forward and piloting ways in which we can make these applications more accessible in these modern times of COVID and having to do things more virtually. You know, I mean we as government kind of have to keep up, and I think we are, with a lot of the resource constraints. So thank you, Director, for your work on this. But also, the acknowledgement that we can still do better, and I think there's always that opportunity to continuously improve and grow. So, thank you. Chair, I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Yes, thank you. And I'm not surprised, my two colleagues are looking how this dovetails nicely into our nonprofit grant-in-aid program. So I really do appreciate both of them leaning in, because there really is great work being done in community. I just had a question, Director Messina. A lot of these nonprofit organizations, I was just wondering if there was a way for Council to get some background information, not only on the nonprofit but the members of their board, only because we also may have to disclose some relationships. And so as we move these things forward, I want to make sure that all the Council Members are aware of not only your approval, but our approval that goes with it; and any disclosures that we need to make, in the event there are members of the board on these organizations that we have relationships with. MR. MESSINA: I can speak with Corporation Counsel about that. MS. LEE LOY: And we have a tool. That we get confidentials in a specific packet, and if that's something that could come separately to us. Just for us to make really great decisions. MR. MESSINA: Okay, I'll check. MS. LEE LOY: Thanks. Chair, I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Okay, seeing no further discussion. Mr. Messina, thank you for being here, for dealing with what Page 14 FC-25 January 4,2022 you were dealing with before. Making time for us, appreciate it. With that, we have a motion on the floor to close file on Communication 267. 2. All in favor? Vote on Comm. 267.2: The motion to close file on Comm. 267.2 was carried Filed by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Brings us to our last order of business, Resolution 291-22. ORDER OF The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, RESOLUTIONS: Order of Resolutions. Res. 291-22: AUTHORIZES A ONE-TIME, REAL PROPERTY TAX CREDIT IN FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023 FOR ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES IN THE"HOMEOWNER" CLASS Authorizes the Finance Director to issue a $250 credit to be applied to the August 2022 real property tax bill of eligible property owners, except for those who failed to pay any portion of due taxes, properties assessed at the minimum tax rate, or properties sold during the taxable year. Reference: Comm. 558 Intr. by: Ms. Lee Loy Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to recommend adoption of Res. 291-22. Seconded by Mr. Richards. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. First of all, I want to state this has never been done before. As I began to move through—or all of us had begun to move through the pandemic and some of the strains that we encountered, what really began to emerge was a lot of sacrifice by a lot of individuals. And then we saw a lot of help with the CARES (Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act) fund, and then some of the ARPA (American Rescue Plan Act) monies that are coming. We saw PPE(Personal Protective Equipment). We saw ag communities get grants in aids. And what began to emerge to me was, you know, there was this one particular class, homeowners class, that really didn't see help. We saw rental assistance for those on rental properties. Page 15 FC-25 January 4,2022 So I began to watch the budget a little bit, and just kept seeing a lot of aid, but just really not reaching our local working-families who own homes. And so I began to dig in and understand how we increase taxes, but not decrease taxes. And it's actually via resolution that we actually increase real property tax rates, so I thought, okay, I thought this might be the vehicle. It was somewhat unclear on how Chapter 19 works, as far as decreasing it or giving a credit. And then the option to advance a bill was a lot more challenging also,just because this was intended to be a one-time credit. Now, wrapped up with all of that is how we get our real property bills out. What the appeals process looks like, when we can actually increase or decrease taxes, and it just got clunky. And so I wanted to advance this as possibly a tool and an option to give back to so many of our local working-families that have sacrificed a lot. Especially over the last two years, they've paid their bills. Hopefully, this is an opportunity to give them some relief. I did a real thumbnail sketch of what a $250 tax credit would look like, using the guardrails of, if they fail to pay any portion of their real property tax in the prior year, if they were already assessed the minimum tax, and if that property was sold, and got to a number of$6.5 million. That's what this credit would look like. And so for me, it was worth advancing for the conversation, or how we might be able to do this on a $650 million budget. It's one percent, and it made sense to me. So I'm ready for any questions. I know there are going to be a lot of questions with Judge Strance and Director Sako. So, I yield for now. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Any discussion, Council Members? Ms. David, go ahead. MS. DAVID: Thank you, Chair. That's a very creative and interesting proposal, Ms. Lee Loy. I would like to actually hear from Director and the Finance Department's position on this proposal. (Note: At this time, Finance Director Deanna Sako and came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. SAKO: Good afternoon. MS. DAVID: Good afternoon. MS. SAKO: And Keita Jo is here as well as our Real Property Tax Administrator. Lisa Miura is in Kona. You know, in general, the reason we budget Fund Balance as a revenue item in the following year, each year in the Page 16 FC-25 January 4,2022 budget, is because we're returning it back to the taxpayers. So any excess monies or unspent monies already go back to the taxpayers through the budget process. So, that's number one. Number two, the actual amount would be $7.7 million to the best of our calculations, given the information in the resolution. And there are roughly 33,000 taxpayers that would benefit. There is some confusion, because even if the property was sold, we have roughly 1,000 like new homeowner exemptions each year. That they probably were not a homeowner in the previous year, but would benefit from the credit. But in addition to all of that, every taxpayer has to pay at least minimum tax. So many people would not see the full $250 credit. Some would actually only see 49 cents. Some would see you know, so it's probably about 7,000 taxpayers that would not get the full credit because they have to pay the minimum $200. So in addition to that, you know, throughout the various discussions, some people would like to see an affordable housing fund, some would like to see additional funding go to P&R(Department of Parks and Recreation), and so we can't do it all. You know, if this $7.7 million goes back to the taxpayers, then that$7.7 million we have left. In worst-case scenario, if we don't have enough to cover all of the expenses for next year, we would have to be offset by a real property tax increase. And then last but not least, both the CARES Act and the American Rescue Plan have some language saying that we are not supposed to benefit in real property taxes, you know, or pay real property taxes with this money. And that I think it's the Rescue Plan that actually has language that we're not supposed to reduce taxes. So we do have concerns that this would put that money in jeopardy. MS. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Sako, for that explanation. And for now I'm going to yield. Thank you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. David. Mr. Chung, go ahead. MR. CHUNG: Oh, yeah. Deanna, I didn't really have you know, I'm not able to digest this thing as well you guys are. But is it possible under this arrangement, where a property could get the $250 tax credit and then fall below what they would pay for the minimum tax? Is at possible? MS. SAKO: Yeah, so when we did our calculations to the $7.7 million, we didn't let anyone fall below $200. MR. CHUNG: Oh, okay. Page 17 FC-25 January 4,2022 MS. SAKO: Which is the minimum tax. Because we believe the way the Code is written, everyone would have to pay the minimum $200. MR. CHUNG: Okay, so there's that circuit breaker. Almost like, I mean, built in. MS. SAKO: We're not sure it's clear in this language, but we assumed that when we did our calculations. MR. CHUNG: Yeah, I couldn't tell from this. But if you cross-reference it with something else, it would prevent that from occurring? MS. SAKO: Happening, yes. MR. CHUNG: Okay. And then legality-wise—well, you said something at the very beginning about how you're already giving back to taxpayers? MS. SAKO: So each year, you know, the excess fund balance, that's the reason we budgeted, you know, as a revenue item in the following year's budget. So that's already kind of taken into account so that we don't have to raise taxes. It's already a revenue source for the following year's budget. MR. CHUNG: Try go a little bit deeper on that. MS. SAKO: So let's say we end the year, like this year with $50 million, because we were fortunate to have CARES Act and other things to help us cover expenses, then there's probably going to be $40 million or an estimate. Because we have to estimate what it's going to be at June 30, 2022, that we would put in the budget for FY (Fiscal Year) 2023, that we're working on now. So the current year budget for Fiscal Year 2022, has I believe, $32 million of access of Fund Balance, that's used as a revenue item to balance the budget. So any excess funds that we might have basically are already returned to the taxpayers through the budget process. They might not see it individually, but it's used to ensure that we don't have to increase taxes. MR. CHUNG: So what would be the effect if something like this ? MS. SAKO: Then we would not be able to budget that full Fund Balance amount. We would have to reduce it. MR. CHUNG: I mean, it would be almost the same thing? MS. SAKO: Yeah. Page 18 FC-25 January 4,2022 MR. CHUNG: Or just done a different way? MS. SAKO: It would—so this would actually go back to the taxpayers. So this will have to be like an expenditure. That we would be paying out$7.7 million. And so, we would need revenue to balance that. MR. CHUNG: But you would have used that anyway, in a different way, though. MS. SAKO: So now MR. CHUNG: A different method? MS. SAKO: Right, because we have still other expenses to pay. And we've talked about before that we're not currently paying OPEB (Other Post-Employment Benefits) or, you know, certain other expenses that we have. MR. CHUNG: And then the legality aspect with regard to CARES Act monies, try to explain that, and maybe our Corporation Counsel might want to weigh in. Can you just elaborate? MS. SAKO: So in the CARES Act it was clear that we couldn't use it to benefit any—County real property taxes couldn't be used for it. So I know I heard Ms. Lee Loy say that homeowners didn't have any programs, but they did, through housing. It was not only rental assistance, but there were homeowner's assistance program, as well. Mortgage assistance as well as utility bills. But one of them that you couldn't do was actually real property taxes. We couldn't grant people money to pay their real property taxes. The government wasn't supposed to generate funds from this CARES Act. It wasn't supposed to go directly into our pockets. There were a lot of allowable expenditures that we could use it for, but we were not supposed to benefit directly from it. MR. CHUNG: Well. then my question would be, I mean, and it's just a yes or no answer, is this violative of the CARES Act funding or not? MS. SAKO: The CARES Act is a little moreI'm not as positive. But the Recue Plan does say that you're not supposed to reduce taxes. MR. CHUNG: But then is it directly related to this though, that funding source? MS. SAKO: It's not the funding source. But I guess the federal government's feeling, we gave you all this money, so don't use this to balance your budget. You know, don't reduce taxes to help balance your—you know, don't use this money instead of taxes to balance your budget. Page 19 FC-25 January 4,2022 MR. CHUNG: Who said that? Where was ? MS. SAKO: So in the American Rescue Plan, there is language that says that you shouldn't—you cannot reduce the rates, or you cannot postpone a rate increase, or things like that. MR. CHUNG: Okay. So is it legal or not legal? MS. SAKO: You know, we didn't have a lot advance notice on this bill. MR. CHUNG: All right. Okay, okay. And that's fair. That's fair, okay. And maybe we need to discuss this a bit more, okay. MS. SAKO: And it was the holidays, so we probably didn't research as much as we would want to. MR. CHUNG: Right, right, right, right, right. But I mean I just want to get a straight answer if thisI mean, I'm not saying you're not giving a straight answer. You just gave MS. SAKO: No. But right, it's a little bit confusing. MR. CHUNG: Yeah. MS. SAKO: Not all the guidance is clear. And especially with the Rescue Plan, the final rule hasn't come out yet. MR. CHUNG: Okay, thank you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Chung. Discussion, Council? Mr. Richards, go ahead. MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, thank you. Thanks, Chair. I'm going to echo a lot of what Mr. Chung has just said. I hear what you're saying, Deanna, and I fully appreciate it; and I get where you're coming from, from the finances. My concern is the legality of it. Though assuming we get through the legality, I get the intent, which is to—we've been through a pretty rough time this last couple of years, and for a lack of better term, kind of give a hope and give at least a shining star that the County recognizes that, "Hey, we know everybody has had it hard." And so I like the concept, I like the idea, and I'm very supportive of that,provided legally, because I am very well aware of the concerns and constraints we have. So I think Mr. Chung is right, we need to digest it a little bit further. Page 20 FC-25 January 4,2022 And I hear from your—you know, how do we balance this to make sure that we're doing it appropriately? But I think it would be a good show of understanding, coming from the County, that we recognize it's been a rough couple of years. It's not a lot out of our budget, I mean, every penny counts. But what it does, is it recognizes the fact that we recognize people's budgets also have been severely impacted. So conceptually I like it, however I am concerned about the legality, and I don't want to jeopardize that. So, I think we have to explore that further before we go and put this into place. And those are my thoughts. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Ms. Kimball. MS. KIMBALL: Yeah, thank you, Chair. And thank you, Sue, for putting this forward. I think it's a very useful thing to have a discussion around, in general. I appreciate where you're coming from. As Council Member Richards says, "It's been a rough year for a lot of folks." And the support was spotty, you know, went to different people for different things, and there were certainly folks that were left out. I share my colleagues' concerns about the legality with the American Rescue package. It was very clear that it couldn't supplant taxes in some way. And I think, you know, Deanna's not being not real—putting that real fine line to Council Member Chung's responses. But I think that it's a kind of a thing where it's clear, from the standpoint of, you can't supplant tax revenue with the ARPA funding, but you could make arguments, convoluted arguments, that maybe this isn't actually doing that because where the funds go and all that. But I think it's walking a very fine line, and it's probably one that I don't personally want to cross. However, I would like to maybe keep working on this and continue to talk about it. One of the recommendations, and I don't know if you considered this, is rather than a fixed amount, did you consider some sort of percentage? Just because I'm thinking ofa flat amount is not as progressive, if you will, as something that was a percentage amount based on because I think there are folks out there that weren't as heavily impacted, that maybe do not need this $250. And maybe that would give us a little bit more target. If you were to explore this further, is that something you considered at all, or other reasons not to do it that way? I yield, Chair. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. MS. LEE LOY: If I may respond? CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Ms. Lee Loy. Page 21 FC-25 January 4,2022 MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, thank you for that, Ms. Kimball. I did. And I think the challenge really became, and Keita and Deanna can speak to this. Is there's a real property tax value and then there's the appraised value, so although the real property tax value might be one thing, the amount of that structure is really, can be all over the place. You know, it got a little clunky. And so this idea of$250 was just kind of that launching-off place, to say, "Hey, how does this impact our budget?" So to answer, I did give it consideration. It just kept getting clunkier and clunkier as we started to input the valuation of the structures. Thank you, Chair, for that opportunity. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Ms. Kimball. MS. KIMBALL: Yeah, thank you. I'm glad you looked into that. I still think I have some concerns, you know, and also in terms of like who is excluded from taking advantage of the benefit. I think there's other folks that we might need to say, "Okay, they also got help." You know, we talked about the mortgage assistance, the utility assistance. Everything from the broadband $50 a month subsidy. If they're renting an STVR (Short Term Vacation Rental) or another home and they got some benefits, business fund benefits. To me, there's still a lot of work here, and I'm happy to explore it more. But I can't support it in its current form. I would—if we were to consider anything like this, I think I'd object to a flat fee. But that's overriding,just the fact that I think there's someI agree with my colleagues that I think there's a legal issue here. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Ms. Villegas, before I take anybody else in Hilo, do you have anything you want to add? MS. VILLEGAS: No, thank you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, thank you. Mr. Chung. MR. CHUNG: Yeah, and first of all, I wanted to credit Ms. Lee Loy. Her heart is really in the right place. I don't think any one of us can dispute the bases for this resolution and the proposal. I think we should just spend some time thinking about it, yeah. There are some ramifications. Ms. Kimball brought up a good point. But I wouldn't agree with the percentage thing because it depends which way you try to progress it, right? It just becomes clunky, as Ms. Lee Loy said. But there could be some you know, like for a person with low valuation, $250 is a lot. But for somebodyI mean I'm not talking in terms of percentages now; I'm just talking for the $250. Somebody with a multi-million dollar value home, $250, you know, it's chunk change, right? I mean, it'sso there's a lot of things Page 22 FC-25 January 4,2022 to consider. I prefer that we just kind of have further discussions on this. But I'll leave it up to the maker of this resolution. Thank you. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Ms. Kierkiewicz, I'm sorry, I thought you went already. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: No, you're fine. No, you're good. Thank you, Chair. Mahalo nui, Ms. Lee Loy, for putting this bold, kind of concept forward, and stepping out courageously to make this recommendation. Not an easy thing, right? There's a lot of things that we want to do. Deanna mentioned something that's fond to my heart, and that the housing fund that we've been working on. And so there's a balancing act that we're having to strike; if we move on this, can't do that. I don't know if your intention was to spark conversation, wanting this to pass. For me, I think you wanted to spark a conversation, not just around how hard our residents have had it. And Director Sako is right and my colleagues are right, there have been a lot of different support programs that have been pushed out by the government, by the community, with CARES and ARPA. I think what you were trying to highlight was County government wasn't open 24/7. There were certain times where we had to close transfer stations, or some of our County offices weren't open to the public. And we haven't made that pivot digitally, right? We weren't accessible. And I think this is really a symbolic way of saying we're sorry, right? But I think there's some debate around how we kind of deliver that apology to the community. And if it's through their pocketbook, if it's through other means, I think that's kind up for debate. I do have concerns about jeopardizing any ARPA money and any other federal money coming our way. Because again, once in a generation opportunity to get a lot of funds to move on a lot of complex projects and issues we've faced, that we haven't been able to solve for because we didn't have the capital. So again, it's that balancing act. And I appreciate the ability to have the conversation. And just explore what we could do to continuously provide value to our taxpayers, our community. Because I think that's what you're getting at here. We weren't always delivering the services. Kalanianaole still not open. You know what I mean? Like we are just having so many things we have to solve for. I'm not trying to make light of the situation. But I think you're just elevating we weren't open all the time, and we acknowledge that. And we want to find a way to kind of rectify the situation. So I appreciate the dialogue. I don't think we're going to land on a particular decision today, so I hope we can keep the conversation going. And in my mind, this was another opportunity to see where Administration's kind of priorities are, Page 23 FC-25 January 4,2022 how that's shaping up for the next budget cycle. So thank you for this really creative and tactful approach to start the conversation. MS. SAKO: Let me just add one thing. I know there were some services that may not have ben available, but one thing that never went away was Police, and Fire, and Public Safety. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Absolutely. MS. SAKO: And I think we really need to mahalo them and all they went through. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Yeah, thank you for raising that, Director Sako. I think if anything, they were having to respond to calls much more so during the COVID pandemic. So thank you for highlighting our first responders, I appreciate that. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Ms. Kimball. MS. KIMBALL: Thank you. Yeah, I just wanted toI appreciate what you're saying, but I did kind of actually want to take exception to it. I think it's true, we have things that were closed that we were not accessible to the public. We weren't providing all the services all the time, but we were stepping up in a hell of a lot of other ways. I'm actually very proud of how this County has handled the COVID. I don't think we've everything right all the time. But I don't think, honestly, there's a need for apology. We've done a pretty good job considering the uncertainty we've been living under, and how this has impacted all of us. So, I appreciate your comments. But personally I think we've done really well, and a lot of that is due to your work, Director Sako. Just wanted to say that. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Kimball. Okay, Ms. Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. Thank you everyone for that feedback. Yes, it was a tactful way. Not for all that went wrong, but for all the things that we have done on this dais. We've passed taxes. There was a push to somehow offset our TAT (Transient Accommodation Tax). We've seen spillovers in one account go over to another account. And as Ms. Sako said, you know, this idea of not jeopardizing our funds, that definitely was not the intention. It was more of us to take a pause and really be thoughtful about things we've done in the past, decisions that we made in the past, asking our Administration for good information so we can make good decisions around our budget, which we know is Page 24 FC-25 January 4,2022 coming up. And I'm going to walk back to, "It's never been done before." So I really appreciate my colleagues kind of going along this ride with me. Because sometimes going first is way harder than grabbing it off the shelf, retooling it, and making it fit. And so I would—if the Chair has any discussion around this, I actually want to postpone this till some time in April, after all of us have gone through our Budget Review process. We will have taken a look at the Administration's budget, to see where a lot of their priorities lie, where the CIP (Capital Improvement Projects) projects are going. How they intend to fund that. And then, what the goals and objectives are for this next cycle that we are going to be walking into. So for right now, I'm going to yield to the Chair if he has any input. But I will be asking for a motion to postpone this to our meeting in April. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. I have one question for Corporation Counsel. And, Ms. Sako, I have a follow-up question for you, as well. It's quick. They're quick questions. Nothing too hard. (Note: At this time, Corporation Counsel Elizabeth Strance and Finance Director Deanna Sako came forward to address the members of the Committee.) CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: When did you get the resolution? MS. SAKO: The day it was submitted, it was sent over. But, you know, we've had several people off. And so Real Property Tax was gracious enough to run the calculations, to get to the $7.7 million, which is still an estimate, you know. We didn't look at all 40,000 parcels to ensure every single one was right. But it's a pretty good estimate. But we've been going through a lot of training with CARES Act and ARPA funding, and all that. I didn't take the opportunity to run it by Ms. Strance yet, you know, to find out what exactly is allowable, norU.S. Department of Treasury, which have actually made the final decision. Because the worst-case scenario is that we do something like this, and five or six years down the road when they come in to audit is when we find out, and that's when we have to pay back. And, you know, to raise taxes at that point to pay back would be an unfortunate matter because it could jeopardize the entire funding or just this amount. It's hard to say. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Thank you, Ms. Sako. And, Ms. Strance, I'm looking at the third Whereas clause, and I know we have the ability to raise or lower tax rates. But the credit is what was interesting to me, do we have the authority to offer a credit as a Council, via any form of legislation? Page 25 FC-25 January 4,2022 You're on record, but if you can just kind of just a summary answer. Nothing too in depth, unless it needs an in-depth answer. MS. STRANCE: Good afternoon. Elizabeth Strance, Corporation Counsel. I'm not comfortable answering your question because I don't know, and I'd like the opportunity to research it before I provide an answer. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Okay, that's fair enough. Mr. Chung, go ahead. MR. CHUNG: I think the question the more accurate question would be, whether a resolution would be the vehicle by which to, yeah, give a tax credit. Because we obviously have the ability to offer tax credit. We do it all the time via ordinances, though. But I don't know about resolution. So that's something to think about, yeah. That's all. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Thank you. And I'd be interested in that answer, maybe not right now, but maybe via email. Just for my information. You know, I know we can raise and lower. But as far as the ability to offer a credit, that was interesting to me. MS. STRANCE: I'll do that. And I agree with Council Member Chung's comment that it's unlikely that the appropriate vehicle is a resolution. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Yeah, there was a few mentions of this as a bill, but it is a resolution. So just wondering, for me, for my information, on how it lays out and how it works. Just good to know; Process. Okay, that was it. Thank you. Okay, Ms. Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. And just as a follow-up, that's what I was trying to dig in on. I found a lot of ways to do it to go up, but I had a hard time finding a way to go back. And my challenge with a bill, by ordinance, it would be effective just for one year. And then even the timing of that—yes, Deanna, it's challenging because they send out their bills and notices at certain times of the year. And so, it really was a very complex process. Is it a resolution? Is it a bill? What is the timing of that? How does it fit into the budget? How does it fit into the function of real property tax itself. By sending out their notices, the appeals process that go with that notice, then the bill after that. It wasn't simple. It really wasn't simple. So I really do appreciate my colleagues coming along for this ride with me because this is where I got, and I just thought this was the best way to advance the conversation. But again, have us give pause to everything that we do, going into this fiscal cycle, not only from the State and the Legislature, but our own budget cycle going forward. Page 26 FC-25 January 4,2022 So with that, Chair, I'd like to make a motion to postpone Resolution 291-22 to our April 5, 2022, committee meeting. Did I do that right? Oh, you know what? Thank you, Clerk, for that. April 19, 2022. A motion to postpone this resolution to April 19'', because we would have gone through our agency reviews at that time. Vote on Motion Ms. Lee moved to postpone Res. 291-22 to to Postpone: April 19, 2022. Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz (Approved) and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That does bring us to the end of our agenda. Correct, Mr. Clerk? MR. BROWN: Correct. CHR KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Can I have a motion,please? ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 2:21 p.m., Ms. David moved to adjourn MENT: the meeting. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. Page 27