HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN GOREDC 2022/07/05 2020-2022 Committee on Governmental Operations,
Relations, and Economic Development
29th Session
Hawai`i County Building
25 Aupuni Street
Hilo, Hawai`i
July 5, 2022
CALL TO The regular meeting of the Committee on Governmental Operations, Relations,
ORDER: and Economic Development was called to order at 2:27 p.m., in the Council
Chambers, Hilo, by Ms. Heather L. Kimball, Chair.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Ms. Heather L. Kimball, Chair
Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Vice Chair
Ms. Maile Medeiros David, Member
Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Member
Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member (came in later)
Mr. Herbert M. "Tim" Richards, III, Member
Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member
Absent & Excused: Mr. Aaron S. Y. Chung, Member
Mr. Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Member
STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items.
PUBLIC ON
AGENDA ITEMS: (There were none.)
CHR. KIMBALL: Clerk, could you read in the communication?
COMMUNI- The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
CATIONS: Communications.
Comm. 29.10: HAWAII STATE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES' MARCH 29 AND
APRIL 21, 2022, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES
From Council Member Heather Kimball, dated June 6, 2022.
Motion to Approve: Mr. Inaba moved to close file on Comm. 29.10.
Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz.
CHR. KIMBALL: Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of closing file
on Communication 29.10.
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Vote on Comm. 29.10: The motion to close file on Comm. 29.10 was carried by
Filed the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members David, Inaba, Kierkiewicz,
Richards, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—6.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Members Chung, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder,
and Lee Loy—3.
Excused: None.
CHR. KIMBALL: Resolutions, please.
ORDER OF The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
RESOLUTIONS: Order of Resolutions.
Res. 442-22: REQUESTS THE OFFICE OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
TO CREATE A STRATEGIC ROADMAP FOR HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS
THAT SETS FORTH PRIORITIES AND INTENTIONS FOR UTILIZATION AND
ACCOUNTABILITY OF PROGRAM APPROPRIATIONS FROM RESIDENTIAL
TIER TWO PROPERTY TAX REVENUES
Requests that the Office of Housing and Community Development create and submit
the plan to the Council by September 2022, and thereafter annually provide a progress
report to the Council.
Reference: Comm. 842
Intr. by: Ms. Kimball and Ms. Lee Loy
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Before I go ahead and take the motion,
let the record reflect that I'm going to pass the Chairmanship of this Committee
over to Vice Chair, Council Member Kierkiewicz.
Relinquish Chair: At this time, the Chair relinquished the chair to Vice Chair Kierkiewicz.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. Let the record show that I have
assumed the Chair position of Governmental Operations, Relations and
Economic Development at 2:29 p.m.
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to recommend adoption of Res. 442-22.
Seconded by Ms. Kimball.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Ladies, seeing as this is your resolution, would
you like to lead the discussion?
MS. KIMBALL: Council Member Lee Loy just walked into room, so I'll let her
get her bearings here.
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You know, I think this is probably self-explanatory in many ways, given the
conversations that we've had over the last couple months about a variety of
things. But you know, for me it kind of boils down to two things. First of all, our
responsibility as a legislative body to have fiduciary responsibility over the
taxpayers' funds and make sure that we are putting our best effort to make sure
that the usages of those funds is transparent and that there is accountability
associated with those uses. So that's the first part of it.
The second part of it is that, you know, I truly believe foundationally, that you
can't improve what you don't measure. And you know, we've appropriated a
significant amount of funding through Ordinance 22-26 to end homelessness in
our County. And I think all of us were fully on board with making that
investment, this five-year investment, very heavy and strategic investment in
ending this, you know, real problem for the whole island. And in order to do that,
we need to, you know, have a sense of what the metrics are, and what the plans
are to address the problem.
And so, you know, the conversations we had earlier today about the resolution for
the lease. You know, that is kind of an example of why there needs to be this
strategic roadmap. And so, we're asking, you know, the Office of Housing and
Community Development just to communicate with us, what is their plan and
how do they plan to measure their success? So that when we come to two years
or even five years from now and there's a different set of individuals here on this
bench, we can look back and say, our money was well used. And this project, this
effort was successful. So with that introduction, I'll yield Chair.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. Council Member Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, thank you. Thank you to my colleague, Ms. Kimball.
And to my colleagues, you know,just really asking for your support. Building off
of Ms. Kimball's piece, you know, this is a program that supposed to be just five
years. And there's going to be a business decision that needs to be made by
future Council. And this was the way to, as she mentioned, measure are we truly
achieving the goal that the intent of this piece of legislation was intended to
provide?
There's been some internal conversations with the Department of Housing or
Housing Agency on when to report. How to report? You know, we'll see as a
legislative body. We're going to be paying attention to our monthly budget
cycles. You know, at the next budget hearing, these are the things that we can
kind of use this particular resolution as a backstop to ensure that we are moving
the needle in the areas of homelessness and housing. And some of the things that
we as a body adopted just a month ago around this funding source.
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And so, at the time we were introducing, or Council Member Chung was
advancing this piece of legislation, the question was asked, should we write it into
the ordinance? And we heard loud and clear, no, let's provide a little bit of
flexibility. Personally, I still felt strongly, as Ms. Kimball, that if we can't get it
into the ordinance, let's go ahead and at least develop the framework so that year
after year, as this money comes in and gets appropriated to this program, we have
a backstop to measure it against. And that's what this does. So, if I could please
get my colleagues' support,that would be wonderful. Thank you Chair, I yield.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Ladies. Before I open it up to
everyone for questions and discussion, I did want to check in to see if we have
anyone from the Office of Housing and Community Development on Zoom.
(Note: At this time, Housing Administrator Susan Kunz came forward
to address the members of the Committee.)
MS. KUNZ: Hi Council Members, this is Susan Kunz, Administrator with the
Office of Housing and Community Development. And I see Sharon (Hirota) has
just logged in as well.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Great. I do hear you, Administrator, and I do
see Sharon. I do want to provide you an opportunity to kind of share with us your
reaction to this resolution and how your office could be implementing some of the
expectations that are set here.
MS. KUNZ: Yes, thank you very much for this opportunity, and I really do want
to thank Council Member Lee Loy and Kimball for introducing this resolution
and working very collaboratively with my office to outline these next steps.
You know, I want the community to know and the Council Members to know that
we do not take this responsibility to administer these pots of money lightly at all.
And I think that it's very important that we do it transparently, and that we do
have an outline of what we expect to see and accomplish in the next five years.
And the only way that we can do that is by, you know, bringing our stakeholders
to the table, including all of you, and putting together this five-year strategic plan.
I think it's important that we're all on the same page as to what we think we can
accomplish to set these goals and maybe manage a little expectations over the
next five years. So that when we come to the end of the five years, there's no
surprises, and that hopefully, we'll be able to report back that we've met all of the
goals that we set. I also want to let the group know, that we have been engaging
with our State and our Federal partners as well on this. We thought that it was
very important to include them in this discussion, although this is a Hawai`i
County allocation of funds. There is a pretty significant pot of money, of State
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and Federal money, that will come down the pipeline to address homelessness as
well.
I think it's really important that the County, State, and Federal Government are at
the table together, so that there's a collaborative effort in how we're going to set
up this strategic plan and how we're going to use these different pots of money.
We've never seen this kind of money coming through the pipeline before. And so
I think the more communication and the more people we bring to the table, the
more successful we're going to be.
So at this time, I do want to turn it over to Sharon. We've already started some of
our planning efforts. We want to make sure to keep you in the loop. And then
within the next week or two, you're going to start seeing a lot of communication
out of our office. You know, we just got access to these funds, effective as of
July 1st, and we have hired staff to help Sharon in the Housing Office as well, to
deliver this. So, I'm going to turn it over to Sharon and let her share with you the
work that we've been doing.
(Note: At this time, Office of Housing and Community Development
Specialist Sharon Hirota came forward to address the members of the
Committee.)
MS. HIROTA: Aloha, everyone. Sharon Hirota, Office of Housing and
Community Development. So Susan asked that I share. As she indicated, we do
take this very seriously in regards to the Administration of the funding that has
become available through Ordinance 22-26, and have been working in
anticipation of the funds becoming available July 1st
In developing or starting to develop for this, what we're calling a strategic
roadmap. So, in regards to Resolution 442-22, that's in front of you here today,
we have no problem in meeting the requirements. We do want to ensure that we
are a measuring and providing timely data to you as we work towards finding
solutions to end and prevent homelessness here on Hawaii Island.
As the Director mentioned, we are not quite yet ready to announce our final plans.
We are in contract negotiations. Hopefully, over the next few days, we'll be able
to finalize that. And then communicate out,to not only you, but to the public, as
to our plans moving forward in regards to coordinating a workshop, so to speak,
to collect information as well as additional community-based focus on meetings
within our communities to collect information, so we can develop a plan that will
provide us with a guide in moving forward in the dissemination of these funds to
appropriate organizations within our community. Thank you.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Mahalo nui, Sharon and Administrator Kunz.
Going to open it up to question and comments from my colleagues. Anyone?
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Okay,just a couple of questions for you ladies. And going through the
resolution—and mahalo nui to both of you, Council Members Lee Loy and
Kimball, for putting this forward.
There's a huge commitment of funding on the County side. Likely between
$45, maybe even $50 million over the next five years to tackle the issue of
homelessness. And so, fully agree with you that what you're doing right here
with this resolution helps to paint the canvas. Put that initial sketch and paint on
there that I think with the engagement that Housing is going to be doing over
subsequent months, we'll have a clearer picture around what we expect to achieve
with this funding between now and the next five years.
Ladies, there's a request for a roadmap to be delivered in September. I'm kind of
envisioning something that was put forward a few months ago related to a
Housing Strategic Roadmap. Are you folks confident that you can meet the
deadline with a consultant on board to give us a sketch of what this roadmap
could look like? That's a few months away.
MS. KUNZ: Okay, I guess I'll take that. Director Kunz. Yes, we will. We are
working to meet that September deadline.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. Yes can, even if have to burn the
midnight oil. We will get it done. And then, Sharon, are you able to share with
us, once the roadmap is sort of delivered, the timeframe for having the
applications open to community members to access these funds. Is that also
within the September timeframe, or are you looking more towards Q4 (fourth
quarter) of this year?
MS. HIROTA: So, our timeframe is to first start with the Strategic Roadmap, and
simultaneously start drafting the RFP (Request for Proposal) so that when the
roadmap is completed, we can take parts of the strategic map and move it into the
RFP and issue the RFP. So we want to get this RFP out as soon as possible, but
we know we need to start with the roadmap before we can do anything else, but
we can start prepping the RFP, and then putting in, you know, the outcome space
on what we come up with out of the strategic plan. So multiple phases will be
happening simultaneously, parallel.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Okay, sounds good. So, we're preparing the
roadmap, we're doing the community engagement, we're taking that mana`o to
refine the roadmap, something published, then go out with RFP.
MS. HIROTA: Correct.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Got it. Okay. The final question I have, this
roadmap, will it include—you know, Administrator Kunz mentioned this. A lot
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of funding being available from State and Federal partners. Are we going to
identify how we best leverage that money here in the State of Hawaii, on Hawai i
Island? Because I really see this pot of funding being used to be a little bit more
innovative and fill in the gaps where those restrictive State and Federal monies
just can't get us there. So just wondering if the roadmap will include that sort of
analysis.
MS. HIROTA: Yes, it will. Totally in agreement that we need to look at what the
Federal—when you're starting to maximize, ensuring that we get the maximum
our share of the Federal and State funds to address homelessness. And this fund
is to be used, like you said, to leverage; to build capacity here on Hawaii Island.
And to fill through innovative and creative mechanisms to help those individuals
or households that otherwise will not qualify based on Federal and State eligibility
requirements.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Great, thank you, Sharon. Okay, no worries,
Council Member Villegas, you have the floor.
MS. VILLEGAS: Thank you so much. Just a quick question. Thank you for
clarifying, Ms. Hirota, about the roadmap and then the RFP's. But earlier you
said you guys were in negotiations with someone, and I just wondered who you
were in negotiations with.
MS. KUNZ: So, we're working with a consultant to help us facilitate and build,
create the strategic roadmap. So I can't share the contract information because
we're still in the procurement process. As soon as we finalize that contract, we
can share.
MS. VILLEGAS: So you're procuring the consultant, who I understand is out of
Canada. And then once that person and that contract is signed, then they're
putting together the roadmap?
MS. KUNZ: They will be, in partnership with—he's our consultant in developing
the roadmap.
MS. VILLEGAS: Okay. And then from there, then putting, going out for RFP's.
MS. KUNZ: Correct. Yes.
MS. VILLEGAS: Okay. My question then is, will there be a diverse, I guess,
thought process and protocol when it comes to, you know, there's a number of
different models when it comes to navigating and mitigating people that are
experiencing houseless issues. One is Housing First, another is recovery housing.
There are a number of different models. Housing First seems to get the lion's
share of the funding. But I know from personal experience in my district, it's not
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getting the lion's share of the positive outcome. So I'm just hoping for some
flexibility and diversity in allocation of resources and identifying different
partners based on different paradigms.
MS. KUNZ: So Housing First is a model that is used in terms of the method in
which the Federal and State Government uses—as a method to distribute their
funds.
MS. VILLEGAS: Right.
MS. KUNZ: But it is not the only method. But prior to this funding, that's what
helped the County address homelessness here on Hawaii Island, Federal and
State funds. And so, in order for eligible non-profits in the community to apply,
they have to follow the Housing First rules. If not they'd be in jeopardy of the
funds they receive. And so, the County will not handle restrictions. And so,
when we go out getting input for the strategic plan, we will be encouraging our
communities to come forward and share their mana`o, so that it can be included as
part of what we're working on, on Hawaii Island.
MS. VILLEGAS: And when you say communities, is that kind of in reference to
different nonprofits that work with this issue or community members, as in like
constituents?
MS. HIROTA: So, actually, there's going to be two parts to this. The first part is
we're convening a number of government and local partners from various sectors
beginning with mental health, our community advocates, our faith-based
communities; State and Government agencies, business, to come together and
start the conversation around the strategic roadmap.
And part of our contract is, we're asking our contractor to go out and do our focus
group types of meetings in various communities with various focus groups,
including having conversations with those (inaudible) those experiencing
houselessness; those at risk. So we want a wide variety of input from various
sectors on our island. So we're not limited yet to just one,just the homeless
providers. We're trying to include the behavior, the mental health;people
working with those easing out of incarceration. Just want to make sure we have
everyone's input.
MS. VILLEGAS: Okay, what's the timeline on something like that? I mean are
we're a year out?
MS. HIROTA: Yeah, our goal is September 2022.
MS. VILLEGAS: September. Got it. Sorry about that.
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MS. HIROTA: No problem.
MS. VILLEGAS: Got ya. Sorry, I missed that part. Thank you for answering
those questions and providing a broader understanding of the diversity of
organizations that have potential for inclusion and participation. And access,
because as you said to this pot of money, I mean I think the organization Going
Home Hawaii, which suffers because they can't access State funding because of
the semantics of having to be a Housing First model, and they are recovery
housing. So I'm very excited for the opportunity for a diverse group of
organizations that help mitigate homelessness before those circumstances arise.
So, thank you for explaining those things to me. I yield.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. Council Member Inaba.
MR. INABA: Thank you, real quick. Administrator Kunz, are you still on the
line?
MS. KUNZ: Yes I am.
MR. INABA: Thank you. Wondering how you see this slightly different
resolution, but I feel it's related to a previous resolution that the Council passed
regarding the study for the Chapter 11 revisions and where we are there.
Because we know that with this discussion of housing, first, we want to see
housing; we have services for homelessness, but how do we see these funds
being spent on these different studies in a related, or are they just totally
separate? How do you see it?
MS. KUNZ: I look at this homelessness pot of money as separate from the
affordable housing pot of money. I know that one of the amendments that were
made to this resolution, right at the end, was to add some language for housing.
But I look at housing for homeless individuals slightly different because of the
types of required services that would be necessary to support them. And so
when we go out to do our RFP's, you know, we're going to be looking for
applications, if they are housing related, to provide those kinds of services in
some way.
I'm not sure if I'm answering your questions directly. I guess I should also talk
about, when we talk about strategic roadmap for housing development and
homelessness. You know, in this particular resolution, it looks like we've kind
of meshed them together. Maybe because of the language that's in this
homelessness bill. But the strategic roadmap for affordable housing is something
that I've already presented to this group. It was something that was done in
collaboration with that consultant, Keyser Marston, who is working on our
Chapter 11 revisions. So it is slightly separated from this in my eyes.
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MR. INABA: So with that then, is your focus as related to this resolution before
us more in line with homelessness services than housing development?
MS. KUNZ: Yes.
MR. INABA: Because I know it says both and that was the intention of the bill
when we passed it, because we added that part into the bill, but I just wanted it
on the record then. So we should be seeing through this roadmap more detailed
and focused approaches for homelessness services, not housing itself.
MS. KUNZ: Correct.
MR. INABA: Okay, thank you so much for being with us. Mahalo, Chair.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Council Member Inaba for raising
that, but I just want to be clear too,that housing can be a strategy for
homelessness. And so, it's not just administering particular services, but housing
could be part of that. Is that correct, Administrator?
MS. KUNZ: That is correct. You know, I do want to make the statement, that in
a lot of studies in training sessions that we've attended, and I think you will all
agree as well, the only way to address homelessness or to end homelessness is to
house folks, right? So housing, I feel strongly needs to be a part of the picture.
But what we are trying to do is focus on a structure of activities, mostly services,
right? And I think that if housing is a part of that structure, I think we'll have a
very complete program.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Okay, thank you. Council Chair David.
MS. DAVID: Thank you, Chair Kierkiewicz. Aloha, Administrator Kunz. I just
have one question, and I think Council Member Inaba touched on it, on the RFP.
My question was, could you explain what would be the requirements under the
RFP? But now, you said, it's mostly for services, so you will be going out for
RFP's for services. And with respect to the housing part of this, would you also
include development then of housing as part of these services?
MS. KUNZ: I think we have to keep the end goal in mind and who the
beneficiaries of that will be. I think that will be key. I think that if I try to
outline any further for you, what this program is going to look like, I'm going to
start to infringe upon the work that we want to engage the consultant in. I think
what we really need to do is hear from the community, hear from the service
providers, and all of our stakeholders to hear what they think is necessary in
order to support them to do a complete homeless program. So I really want to
refrain from trying to be too specific, because I think that's going to be the work
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of the consultant in getting all of you and your constituents to the table to
participate in those activities.
MS. DAVID: Perfect, I understand that part then that you can't really disclose to
many details about it, but by September you'll have a better idea when you
present to us the roadmap, right?
MS. KUNZ: Right. And Council Member, it's not a matter of me exposing it. I
really don't know what all the answers are.
MS. DAVID: No, I understand that. I just wanted to confirm that it's mostly
services, and then generally what the RFP was going to deal with. But, I totally
understand that you can't disclose that, because it's not a decision you're
making. It's a decision that the consultant will have to kind of develop and then
take out to the community.
MS. KUNZ: Yes.
MS. DAVID: Okay, perfect. Thank you so much for the clarification. Alright
bye-bye.
ACTING CHR KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. Council Member Kimball.
MS. KIMBALL: Thank you Chair, for the latitude. Yeah, in response to
Council Member David and Council Member Inaba's questions, you know,part
of the purpose of this resolution is to actually establish what the program will
look like. Is it going to be more services? Is it going to be more housing?
You know, as Council Member Lee Loy and I talked about it, she and I actually
have very different ideas about how to address the houseless program. However,
we agree that we should have it be transparent and we should talk about it, and
this body should vet it. And that's the whole point of this resolution is, as
housing engages with the consultant, engages with stakeholders, that was key to
both us.
You know, making sure that they're talking to the communities that are impacted
by homelessness, the individuals themselves, and us. I encourage everybody in
this body to, you know, communicate with Housing and their consultant about
what you think in your area the primary issues are. But,the goal of this
resolution is for Housing to provide us with, okay, this is what we think will end
homelessness in five years with this money that's been given to us.
And then, you know, it's not expressly written in here, but with a September
deadline, the idea is we have the roadmap prior to the RFP's being delivered.
And so, there's still that additional opportunity for vetting and for feedback from
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this body before those RFP's go out. But I hope that clarifies a little bit what the
intention is here with this resolution. Thank you, Chair.
ACTING CHR. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, anyone else? Thank you,
Sharon and Administrator Kunz for joining us today. Council Members
we have a motion on the floor to send this resolution to the Council with
a positive recommendation. All in favor please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 442-22: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 442-22,
(Approved) was carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members David, Inaba,
Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas,
and Acting Chair Kierkiewicz—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Members Chung and
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—2.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. KIERKIEWICZ: That brings us to the end of our
agenda. May I have a motion to adjourn?
ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 2:57 p.m., Mr. Inaba moved to adjourn the
MENT: meeting. Seconded by Ms. David and carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members David, Inaba,
Kimball, Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas,
and Acting Chair Kierkiewicz—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Members Chung and
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—2.
Excused: None.
CHR. KIMBALL: We are adjourned.
Approved:
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Heather L. Kimba 1, Chair (Date)
Government Operatio s, Relations,
and Economic Development Committee
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