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HEATHER L. KIMBALL ;� ; ` �r;,`���►: Contact Information
Council Member - (808)961-8828
Chair, Committee on Governmental Operations, a. (808)961-8018(staff)
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HAWAII COUNTY COUNCIL
County of Hawai`i
Hawai`i County Building Q
25 Aupuni Street, Suite 1402
Hilo, Hawai`i 96720cp
DATE: October 20, 2022
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TO: Maile David, Council Chair and
Members of the Hawai'i County Council
FROM: Heather Kimball, Council Member `1'
SUBJECT: Minutes of the Hawai`i State Association of Counties Executive Committee Meetings
held on May 26, 2022; June 16, 2022; July 22, 2022; August 11, 2022
Please find attached minutes of the Hawai`i State Association of Counties Executive Committee
Meetings held on May 26, 2022; June 16, 2022; July 22, 2022; August 11, 2022.
Please place these matters on the agenda for the next available Governmental Operations, Relations
and Economic Development Committee.
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MINUTES
HSAC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING
THURSDAY, MAY 26, 2022
1:00 P.M., or soon thereafter
Via Videoconference
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Meeting ID: 858 8512 8342
Passcode: 841483
City and;County of Honolulu
530 South King Street. Room;202 , Honolulu, Hawai`i 96813
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• 25 Aupuni,Street, Suite 2409, Hilo,d'Hawai`i 9,6720
County of Kauai
4396 Rice Street °Lihu`e, Kaua`i, Hawaii 96766
County of Maui
200 S. High Street,Wailuku Maui; Hawaii 96793
I. CALL TO ORDER
Call to order 1.22pm
CM Chock:Motion to approve agenda with exception of deferring the county reports.
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II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
III. MINUTES
a. April 21, 2022, Executive Committee Meeting
CM Chock:Motion to approve the minutes. Approved.
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IV. REPORTS
a. Treasurer's Report
CM Waters:As of April 30, 2022,
The primary HSAC account: $116,991.59
The balance in the HSAC conference account: $55,053.80
Total deposit account balances: $172,045.39
CM Waters: Apologies and thank you for your patience, numbers have not matched
up. Richmond went into a deep dive and figured out why the numbers did not match
up.
Richmond: Minor discrepancies, a lot of it due to the internal staff responsibility
changing during a time period, making it difficult to streamline the procedures.
Looking through the discrepancies, set two recommendations to make sure this does
not happen in future reports. Established formalized processes and put together a
guide for those who are Treasurer can use in the future. Putting checks in place for
the excel sheet itself to make sure it is always coinciding with the bank statement.
EA: Describing some of the discrepancies, looking at the bank statement for April
and entering the values for April in April's report, when in fact the treasurer's report
should have been showing the month prior. That discrepancy goes back far. Key part
to note is that the line item for expenses has been reported accurately but the fund
balance of the bank account has been off. The predominant error is in the bank
balance being carried forward. The policy is being presented in advance so we can
adopt it into the by laws so it is enshrined in the HSAC organization and will
remove from errors happening again in the future.
CM Kimball: Checking that the report we received for this month has been edited
and is correct?
CM Chock: Correct. The proposed budget for HSAC has not changed, and there is
consistency moving forward.
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CM King; Confirming we do not have to do anything for Maui council?
CM Chock: Correct, we have the memo and the treasurer's report,and will add this to
the packet going forward. We will foresee a policy submission in the next few months.
CM Waters: Correct, we have started drafting and will be submitting it going
forward. Thankful to Richmond for working on this.
CM Kimball:Minor detail is the first month is July 22, when it should be July 21.
Motion to file treasurer's report for audit. Filed. Approved.
b. County Reports:
■County of Hawai`i
■County of Kaua`i
■County of Maui
■City and County of Honolulu
County reports deferred.
c. NACo Report
d. WIR Report
CM Chock:Kipukai will be submitting a written report via email.
CM King: No updates at this time, had asked Shane to attend.
CM Waters:No update.
CM Chock:July conference is forthcoming, hope you can all make it.
e. Executive Assistant Report
EA: legislative meetings coming up, we have a legislative briefing coming up.
Successfully filed taxes for 2021, working on the audit for 2019 and the treasurer's
report discrepancies will help with that. Next meeting is a general membership
meeting. Working with the conference committee as well as the golf committee which
are both progressing. Please let me know if you are attending the July conference and
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where you will be staying as some members have said they are not able to
get a booking as the hotel is full already.
CM-Chock: See an email about a conference coordination meeting, when is that?
EA: Next meeting is June 9 for the conference. The golf meetings are every Friday.
CM King:Add me to the golf conference meetings and will try to attend where I can.
CM Waters:Let HNL know if we need folks, we would be stoked to support.
CM Chock:Did we circle back with Jon to discuss his contract with him?
EA: Yes, we are working on the presentation together and his contract is pending
revision after the executive session today and then we will update it accordingly to
what falls under EA role and what remains under the lobbyist role. His role will
remain as the predominant lobbyist and boots on the ground.
CM Kimball:I have been meeting with department heads and getting ideas for input,
I will put these in a spreadsheet and present them to HSAC in the future.
CM King:Booked for the conference.
CM Kimball:Booked the Marriott.
CM Chock:Motion to receive NACo WIR and EA Reports. Approved. Motion passes.
V. NEW BUSINESS
a. Approval of NACO committee applications for the 2022-2023 Policy
Steering Committees:
•Hawai`i County, Councilmember Heather Kimball
1. Environment, Energy & Land Use
2. Transportation
■Hawai`i County, Councilmember Ashley Kierkiewicz
1. Community, Economic & Workforce Development
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2. Agriculturq & Rural Affairs
■Hawaii. County, Councilmember Susan "Sue" Lee Loy
1. Community, Economic & Workforce Development
2. Transportation
CM Chock: did these come by resolution or individual applications?
CM Kimball:Be aware that the applications say 2021 but they are for 2022,
informed by NACo to use them, also informed not to be bound by the thresholds that
we can only be on one committee.
CM King:I was told council members could only be on one committee. What about
Rebecca?Do we need to request it every year?
CM Kimball: We were informed that we could apply to two. Rebecca was not
interested in applying. Yes we do need to request it every year.
CM Waters: Thankful to those willing to step up.
CM King:Do we need to put another application in for July?
CM Kimball: Current appointments run through to July 30.
CM Chock:Motion to approve these. Approved. Motion passes.
b. Letter received from Maui Council Chair Alice Lee dated May 18,
2022. Regarding the new sunshine law bill - HB 2026, HD2, SD1.
Committee to discuss.
CM Chock: Wanted to review the letter and establish how to move forward, if it is an
official phone call or how to proceed.
CM King:Recommend reaching out by phone. Also on letter a, Heather, you will be at
the conference in July? Hope you can attend the EELU meeting, and I can introduce
you.
CM Chock:Motion to receive this item. Approved. Motion passes.
VI. OLD BUSINESS
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VII. ANNOUNCEMENTS
a. Scheduling of the next Executive Committee meeting
Thursday, June 16, 2022, 1pm.
VIII. EXECUTIVE SESSION
a. Executive Assistant evaluation .
IX. ADJOURNMENT
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MINUTES
HSAC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING
THURSDAY, JUNE 16, 2022
1:00 P.M., or soon thereafter
Via Videoconference
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530ySouth King Street, Room 202, Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
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I. CALL TO ORDER
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II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA '
Motion to approve the agenda. Approved.
III. MINUTES
a. May 26, 2022, Executive Committee Meeting
CM Kimball requested the website to be updated.
EA: Working with the website person connected to your office, will make sure they
have the latest minutes to update.
Minutes approved.
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N REPORTS
a. Treasurer's Report
Balance in the primary HSAC account: $116,993.57
Balance in the conference account: $55,698.21
Total deposit account balances: $172,691.78
CM Chock: Want to know how this report is working for everyone. May consider
deferring the treasurer's policy until later.
CM Waters: Easier to report on what is sad on the bank statement, one of the things
we are ok with is to keep reporting based on the bank statement and then tell you
what checks are outstanding and that way we can tell you what is available. The
confusion in the past was that we were doing both. We reported items outgoing that
were not reflected on the bank statement. The official report would be based on the
bank statement.
CM Kimball:Agrees with that.
,CM Waters: The verbal report was based on the checks written but not cashed,
causing stress.
CM Chock: As we look at the treasurer's guidelines we want to standardize
everything and moving from cash to accrual is one of the questions that came up on
our end. We agree that we can still track the outstanding checks.
CM Waters: That way we know who has not cashed the check yet.
CM Chock:Motion to approve. Motion passes. Approved.
b. County Reports:
■County of Hawai`i
CM Kimball: Just finished our last review of potential rate changes. Our county
elected not to make any changes to real prop tax rates for a variety of reasons. It was
a 4-5 vote. I had introduced previous on homeowners exemption as possible
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alternative to reducing property tax rates, did pass unanimously. More
progressive approach to benefit those with lower incomes.
Looking at charter amendments, one is to review the director positions every two
years. One is pulling our building division out from dep of public works. Another is a
youth commission.`Affordable housing. Another program we are using for housing
production, that got a $9M. Another one related to water board. Other things that
passed recently, passed a reso condemning gun violence, encouraging reasonable gun
laws. Passed unanimously. Our EV bill made it through both planning commissions,
expecting those reports to come back to the council and will vote on them shortly. Lots'
of activity.
CM King:Didn't you pass the chemical sunscreen ban the other day?
CM Kimball: Yes, we passed it and now we only allow mineral based sunscreens.
It was a 4 -5 vote, property taxes
looking at a number of charter amendments, giving council authority to review
director appointments every two years. one is pulling the building division out, one
is forming a youth commission,
another program using
one with respect to water b=oard having a dhhl member sitting on water board,
passed resolution condemning gun violence, encouraging reasonable
EV bill - made it through the respective planning commissions, expecting these
reports to come back. Had two full days of council activity.
Passed the chemical sunscreen ban almost identical to what was passed in Maui, to
only allow mineral based sunscreen.
■County of Kaua`i
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CM Chock: Big overhauls tying up loose ends, yesterday talked about 2%
charter amendment slated for revolving house fund. Also introduced tax tier for
residential and tvrs without putting down any tax rates. We will see in the next
month or so, work being done for the ag dedication ordinance. Perhaps some of the
exemptions that go along with them that are leaving gaps. Also looking at parking
overhaul to the ordinance.
■County of Maui
CM King: Passed fiscal year 2023 budget, $1.609 billion, many CIP projects in
there. We added another $24M to the budget.
Passed outdoor lighting for protection of sea birds, had help from big island on the
language - used their definition for blue light. Have a bill coming back on wetland
preservation.
Had already 11 charter amendments this year. The council this week added 2 more
charter amendments, one to establish planning commissions in every district, the
other one to create a water authority board - going after the lease for EMI. This was
proposed by letter from Rep Kahele to the Mayor.
We had an assessment done of the planning department, zoning and enforcement
division. Did not look good, reviewed today, majority of ppl criticizing leadership,
permits given out on a political basis. I have a resolution proposing an investigation
- ongoing. We are recommending our council member Shane to take over for WIR.
He recently went to the WIR conference in Alaska.
CM Chock: Support the candidate being put forward.
■City and County of Honolulu
CM Waters: Did get through the budget still have some outstanding items for the
police officer. Budget does reflect the priorities for the community. Homelessness,
clean drinking water problem.
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Clean drinking problem tried to put money in budget to address this.
Gave $25M to dig and explore new wells for clean drinking water. The red hill is stil
closed. Had a hearing on it, they can track the fuel and it is moving. If you draw
some of that fuel into the service lines, the service lines are no good. Use salad bowl
as example, cannot remove with water only, need to use soap. Cannot use soap in our
service lines.
Homelessness is a huge problem. I don't know if we have a real solution, put money
in the budget to build places for homeless people to live. Need the administration to
buy in and build places for people to live. Homeless population refuses to go to a
shelter. Put a million dollars in the budget for mental health counseling. Need to
figure out how to spend it.
Working with the prosecutors to make mandatory mental health assessment and
treatment for petty misdemeanors, sometimes people are caught trespassing,
disorderly conduct, park closure, and go to court and get released for credit for time
served and that does not help.
Looking at making mandatory treatment.
CM King: Put a couple hundred thousand to create a pilot project to put in a safe
zone for people to sleep overnight in their vehicle. The law allows the counties to
make their own rules about this. Does Oahu do anything like that?
CM Waters: like the idea, not aware of anything. Do not see the police enforcing it
right now. there are various parks in the district where we know where they are.
CM King: They are not getting arrested, they are getting tickets. We have families
with kids going to school who can't get a good night's sleep because they are always
being moved down the street. Trying to help those living in their cars to help the
families with kids who need to go to school.
c. NACo Report
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CM Waters: Colorado is coming up next month, went to first NACo
meeting in DC, found it extremely helpful. This one is big coming up, as Hawaii gets
an extra board member if we pick the president.
CM Kualii: Sent two emails this morning, one was the latest county news now,
updates via email format. Go to the last page and see the latest from NACo. New
funding for bridges, info on hurricane resources for communities and individuals.
There are also upcoming events. Need to register now for the conference. There are
other webinars, one this morning on food security, one on the 23rd about affordable
housing. All committees are at a place now where they are putting the resolutions
forward. Info on America competes, new HUD initiative. Get registered now for the
annual conference, biggest event of the year, something for everyone. Thursday
July 21- 24.
d. WIR Report
CM Sinenci - Got to see a presentation from President Biden's team. We made a trip
to Seward from Anchorage. Everyone was asking how is Hawaii dealing with our
short term rentals and trying to cap the rentals. Do not have affordable housing for
their nurses, Drs, etc. Did attend an Oct WIR conference, takes you around and visits
a lot of local CIP projects. Main issue was wild fire prevention and working with the
national parks to see if the different states can partner. Got to meet the uma
commissioner randy fletcher who invited us to view the water use systems in
California, the rivers he is on supply a lot of water to the LA counties. They have
specific aquifer programs, overall a good experience and very relevant to a lot of
issues to HI.
e. Executive Assistant Report
Executive Assistant Report
June 2022
Last report was given on May 26,2022.The following is a summary of the work being conducted by the Executive Assistant,
Nahelani Parsons.
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V. HSAC conference:I have been participating in the HSAC conference planning meetings.Mainly to learn about the
process so I can gain experience to help support future counties with their conferences.
VI. Golf tournament:A weekly recurring meeting for the Golf tournament planning committee occurs every Friday at
8.30 am via zoom.All are welcome to attend.Please let us know if you have anyone who would like to volunteer and I
will reach out to them to follow up.We are working on sponsors and sending out the invite to register for gold to as
many people in our networks.The focus for June will be securing sponsors and getting people registered.The focus in
July will be on securing prizes and in kind donations for activities on the golf course.
VII. Treasury Update:The treasurer's policy has been finalized in collaboration with the Treasurer's team.This process
will ensure a smooth transition between staff members who are responsible for producing the treasurer's report and
consistency going forward.
VIII. Contract Updates:Both the EA and Lobbying contract are being reviewed for updates.Met with President Chock to
work on the EA edits which have now been finalized.We will be meeting with the lobbyist to update their contract
later in June.
IX. NACo:Working on collecting contact information for all of those attending the annual NACo conference in Colorado
in July.I also plan to attend.The steering committee nominees have been submitted to NACo.
X. Legislative Update:Working with the lobbyist to plan the agenda for our upcoming legislative briefing meeting on
June 23,noon,via zoom.The timeline has been updated and I will be working on reminding all members to solicit
input and collect ideas for bills which are due next month.
CM Chock: Wondering if it is possible so this board and future boards can validate to
look at some of the time spent in each of these areas.
EA: Yes, will add in the hours going forward.
CM Chock:Motion to approve all the reports. Approved.
XI. NEW BUSINESS
a. Presentation by Calyn Hart.
■The CitiesWithNature Platform is a global platform recognized
by the Convention on Biological Diversity to support communities
mainstreaming nature into cities. In this presentation, an
introduction to the CitiesWithNature Platform, how communities
can interact with the platform, and the resources available
through the platform will be provided.
CM King: Was just at the conference in Sweden, met Calyn in person. Calyn is a
technical advisor to various communities and is our technical advisor for our
communities. Presentation is on cities with nature plattform. Fits in with our climate
action plans.
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CM King: Just did a town hall recently for a group called birds not mosquitoes. They
are working on a project to bring in sterilized mosquitoes, is that something you may
be able to help us with.
Calyn: Yes that is something we could talk to the organization directly about.
Something our knowledge management would look into.
CM King: Working with the Department of Land and Natural Resources, when you
first announce it it will sound creepy when introducing bugs into the atmosphere. did
some education and calmed people down, not talking about GMO mosquitoes, need
help going forward to engage the conversation and could utilize your help with that.
CM Chock: We have a resolution going on the agenda similarly.
CM King: Please can you send a copy of the resolution to us.
CM Chock:please share the presentation so we can distribute it.
Motion to receive the presentation, moved and seconded. Approved.
b. Receipt of the following resolutions approving the HSAC operating
budget for fiscal year 2022-2023:
■County of Hawai`i Resolution No. 397-22. A RESOLUTION
APPROVING THE FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023 PROPOSED
OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE HAWAII STATE
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES.Approved June 1, 2022.
■Maui County Council Resolution No. 22-118, FD1
RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FISCAL YEAR 2023
OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE HAWAII STATE
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES.Approved mAY 6, 2022,
■Kaua`i County Council Resolution No. 2022-17. RESOLUTION
APPROVING THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023
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OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE HAWAII STATE
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES.Approved May 18, 2022.
•City and County of Honolulu Resolution No. 22-140
APPROVING THE REVISED PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE
HAWAII STATE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES FOR THE
FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023.Approved on June 1, 2022.
Motion to receive all of the budget resolutions. Motion passes. Budget approved.
c. Review and approval of the Treasurers policy.
CM Chock:plan to convene a sub group. Would like this to be connected to the by
laws, as by law amendments have been done in the past, request we submit treasurer
guidelines on the city and county letterhead and submit similar to other by laws.
CM Waters:Ask for more.time to put in writing to put in writing more info.
CM King:Kasie can you send to Shelly. Can we invite her to be part of the
conversation for the treasurers policy.
CM Cohck: Take a motion to defer,second. move to next meeting (old business)
d. Discussion and consideration of the Executive Assistant contract
modifications.
EA: There are several modifications, the contract received approval from the EC, one
of the concerns is looking at making a few minor edits. to run you over the
amendments, the increase in roles and responsibilities included legislative tracking,
being able to edit the testimony. Updated/ draft contract was sent out. Hold it at this
time so we can work on the final details.
Move to defer, seconded, motion passes, deferred to next meeting.
CM Chock: Shared with Nahe to outcomes of the assessment with her. Big take away
is this work is taking up a lot of time. We do see the position as moving into the
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Executive Director role, to give a sense of validity in her role with other
associations. happy to support along with her other requests.
XII. OLD BUSINESS
XIII. ANNOUNCEMENTS
a. Scheduling of the next Executive Committee meeting
July 22nd, 5pm Denver time. '
XIV. ADJOURNMENT
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HSAC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING
FRIDAY, JULY 22, 2022
12:30 P.M., or soon thereafter
Via Videoconference & In Person
Zoom link
Meeting ID: 812 9643 3818
Passcode: 978076
In person'location Gaylord Rockies Resort& Convention Center, 6700 N Gaylord Rockies Blvd,
Aurora, CO 80019
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City and County of Honolulu
530 South King Street,RoomA2'02, Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
County Sof Hawaii
25 Aupuni Street, Suite 2409, Hilo, Hawai`izM96720
County of Kaua`i ;f : „.
4396 Rice'Street Lihu`e, Kauai, Hawai`i196766
County of Maui
200 S. High Street,Wailuku, Maui, Hawaii 96793
• CALL TO ORDER
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• APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Agenda approved
• MINUTES
a. June 16, 2022, Executive Committee Meeting
Minutes from June approved
• REPORTS
a. Treasurer's Report
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Balance in the primary HSAC account $128,616.40
Balance in the conference account $65,293.91
Total deposit account balances: $193,910.31
CM Kimball: This includes the income from the conference, and has not paid the
expenses yet.
No questions.
ED: The treasurer's policy has been tabled, we are meeting with the Maui accountant
in August to develop a new policy based off of QuickBooks. We will continue with the
process established by the Treasurer's team going forward until we next meet to
review the new policy.
CM Chock: We met last month and it was productive.
b. County Reports:
■County of Hawai`i
CM Kimball: We are at 111 registrants, we have raised $58K, we are running low on
rooms, please book if you haven't already. Need to book at 80%, we are at 90% so we
are good now. Sponsors include: HI Electric, Anonymous, Ulo Pono, NACo, HI
Telcorn, RM Towill, Ward Research. If in a bind for later, we have rooms reserved for
speakers at the moment, probably more rooms than we need so if desperate can let
those go.
We had our first committee and council session with the new sunshine law. It worked
fine. We adopted a policy where people sign up at the beginning and they decide at
that time whether to go at the beginning or before the agenda item, most want to go
at the beginning.
Common Cause suggested that amendment, designed to deal with the LUC and
DLNR hearings where things go on hours and hours between agenda items. Could
put something in the next session to exclude us. Our clerk did not interpret it
completely as having to be only before each agenda item.
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Sommerset: Yes, our clerk also gave us the option to do both, if you are
giving remote testimony you have to allow it through the whole thing.
CM Kimball: Can set rules so it does not have to be before each item, can be in blocks,
or a better strategy for what works.
CM Paltin: Can take it in blocks and pull out the controversial items and have the
testimony before those items.
CM King: Problem is if we do not get through the whole agenda we have to recess
and then have everyone come back. Our first meeting with the new sunshine law
went to 1 am in the morning.
CM Waters:Limited folks to either one or the other.
CM King: Our interpretation was you could go at the beginning and then come back
and testify on the others if you have not testified yet.
CM Kimball: We limited it to only testify once during the meeting. Ruling that we did
not have to have it before each item could do it in block.
CM Waters: What do you do with in person testimony?
CM King: Our agendas are so full we have a lot of action items so sometimes people
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want to wait before the item.
CM Paltin: The developers and the lobbyists have the time to wait around. Can have
60 people testify against the development and then go through the agenda and the
developer then testifies before the item.
CM Kimball: Intention not to make it more burdensome, probably some way to
structure the rules so there is a way to manage it. Willing to help if you need it.
CM King: Maybe we can have the attorneys for all the councils get together and if we
can comeup with one interpretation that would be helpful.
CM Kimball: We had two charter amendments make it through. For the auditor to be
able to do investigations as well as audits.
■County of Kaua`i
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CM Chock: On Kauai we had a revision of our ag dedication. Think it is
simplified and should be more helpful. We also have residential and TVR. Looking
for federal partners, on the cesspool transition program coming on line. Should have
an update on that. Would like to offer that the golf tournament continues, just got a
$5000 sponsorship from Chad breweries. Think we might be up to $17K Goal was
$20K, so we are on our way. We need golfers to sign up.
Hawaiian air may be pending. We just created the flier which is being circulated as
well as the website. Not too worried about it but would like to see some golfers
starting to register.
CM King: Is there a bonus you can give to incentivize the first 10 to sign up?
CM Chock: The current golf price is low and we can make a significant income from
the sign up.
CM King: How many golfers can we accommodate?
ED: We can have 144.
CM King:Do they need to be signed up for the conference?
CM Kimball: No, but we will be offering a discount to those registered for the
conference to also register for golf.
CM Chock: The other aspect focusing on and needing help with, need prizes, Email
and mailer went out asking for prizes. We sent outreach to the GM's and we have one
GM who is helping us with outreach, Henry Perez.
■County of Maui
CM King: Skip over the sunshine law topic as we already covered it, would like to all
be in compliance together. Have two council charter amendments in addition to the
11 that went on the ballot already. One is to create a water authority to apply for the
lease for the system, to take back control of the water from the large entities who now
own the water system. Maui Pono, who bought A & B and is the current owner from
Canada, has the lowest rates. The other one is a statement where we will continue to
allow the county workers to work from home to do telecommuting, written up to
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address climate change and cut down on greenhouse gasses when people
drive to work. And a reaction to the pandemic and trying to urge the county to
quantify the greenhouse gas emissions. That is what Bridget shay is doing in Texas,
they have been quantifying their greenhouse gas emissions. We have a county
department of agriculture and in the charter was supposed to start up July 1. Mayor
has appointed an acting director but council has not seen it on the agenda yet, our
charter allows the council to approve all director positions. There has been an acting
director appointed, hopefully that will come before us mid August. that is in effort to
get more effort to our farmers and Ag processors. The Ma alaia regional wastewater
system approved for the SRF fund, to get approved in the budget, met with the folks
last night, Mayor agreed to apply for the SRF money. This will be a regional system
to service all of the condos in the region with the goal of retiring the injection wells.
The injection wells were installed in the 60s and have been polluting the bay, this
will be a big step in keeping all of that out of there. What this system will do is that it
will treat the water to R1 and will put it back on the land as fertilizer. This is a pilot
project to see what we can do elsewhere. Maui has a lot of cesspools all outside of the
boundary eligible for the rebate. Should take a couple years of permits and then can
go in within a year. Could be a model for the rest of the country.
Last thing to report on, the monster house on the west side of Maui, supposed to be
single family but built like a hotel and then the owner applied for short term rental
permits. Ongoing outcry about this house, caused an audit of the zoning and
enforcement division. Audit reviewed at the council, the approvals seem too political.
Now we approved out of committee a special investigation that the county will do.
Interesting situation will be handled by the planning and sustainable land use
committee.
Riki Hokama: Example of the work from home where it has gone haywire, they
implemented a new system and are still backloaded on April retirements. Cannot tell
the employee when they will be legally retired. Right now many people get claims
that are in limbo, and it says your plan is not-valid. Supposed to be covered already
but it says not covered yet because your transition is being processed. So they are
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needing to bring back the staff to work in the office. EUTF employees are
working from home.
CM Waters: Tried to call DPP but they are working from home and could not call
them because they did not have a phone number they could give out to us.
CM King: Do you think there is going to be a backlash against the charter
amendment?
Riki Hokama: Unless the state clears them and puts them on retirement, as they are
not retired legally because they have not transferred them from active.
CM King: EUTF is independent, assigned the health benefits.
CM King: Our charter amendment would allow for only county employees.
Riki Hokama: Unless you put in the right protocols,
CM Kimball: Need to provide resources to folks in management positions as it takes
a different skill set to manage people who are not in the same space.
CM King: I think the reason this was written, assuming that we were looking at
what was happening with staff in council and they are working so well at
telecommuting, go from one subject to the other and bouncing around from one zoom
to another. Seems very manageable, but not sure if she talked to any departments
when this was written.
■City and County of Honolulu
CM Waters: We are being sued by the short term rental companies. We are auditing
the HR department because 26% of our workforce is vacant. Almost 3000 vacancies.
Some of the positions take about a year to fill. Ballots mailed out Wed for election. We
are recodifying our land use ordinance. Some controversial stuff, allowing some
residential stuff and what can and cannot be done on ag land.
CM King: Meant to talk about the latest affordable rental project in south maui in
my district, for lowest income 60% AMI and below .Similar to the project brought in
when first became a council member. a 3 bedroom goes up to $1100 per month. This
particular developer is also doing a few projects in west maui. Developer is ikaika
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CM King: Shane should do these reports.
ED: Attended the WIR meeting today where they discussed the water shortage in
Colorado, the South west water crisis.
e. Executive Assistant Report
• HSAC conference (5%):I have been participating in the HSAC conference
planning meetings. Mainly to learn about the process so I can gain experience
to help support future counties with their conferences.
• Golf tournament (10%):A weekly recurring meeting for the Golf tournament
planning committee occurs every Friday at 8.30 am via zoom. All are welcome
to attend. Please let us know if you have anyone who would like to volunteer
and I will reach out to them to follow up. We are working on sponsors and
sending out the invite to register for gold to as many people in our networks.
The focus for July will be securing sponsors and getting people registered. The
focus in July will be on securing prizes and in kind donations for activities on
the golf course. We are doing well at the fundraising, if you do not have the
flyer let me know and I will re-send. There will be an email coming out in the
next week which will send all registrants of the conference a $100 discount to
register for golf. The mailer went out to almost 600 people and will be
dropping this week, so we will start to see bounce back for whatever addresses
did not work. The packet includes introduction on the tournament, sign up
sheets, sponsor info.
• Treasury Update (10%):A group of us met to discuss the treasurer's policy
and determined that the best approach to move forward is to run everything
through quickbooks. Plan is to set up a meeting with the Maui accountant who
used to manage the quickbooks and use their guidance to create a treasurer's
report that can be pulled directly from Quickbooks. We will also include
documentation of the checks that have been written but not yet cashed.
• Contract Updates (5%): The EA contract has now been finalized and is
presented to the EC on the July agenda. The lobbying contract has been
edited. I met with President Chock and Jon Okudara to discuss the
amendments. These will be circulated amongst the EC for approval.
• NACo (5%):I have put together an attendee list for those attending the NACo
annual conference next week. We will host the next HSAC EC meeting there in
person and on zoom.
• Legislative Update (5%): We held the legislative briefing on June 23,
attendees included approx 15 people from various counties. We also recorded
the webinar and emailed it out after to all councils including a copy of the
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legislative timeline. I have been doing follow up with each council
to check on their internal timeline and process to get their bill packages
approved and submitted to HSAC by September 23.
• NEW BUSINESS
a. Receipt of the following resolution:
■County of Maui Resolution No. 22-155. RESOLUTION
COMMEMORATING THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE
PATSY TAKEMOTO MINK EQUAL OPPORTUNITY IN
EDUCATION ACT.
CMPaltin: This resolution was introduced to commemorate the Patsy Mink equal
opportunity education act, it was well received.
CM Chock:Motion to receive. Motion passes receiving the resolution.
b. Receipt of the following resolutions approving the HSAC NACo and
WIR nominees:
■County of Kaua`i Resolution No. 2022-25. RESOLUTION
APPROVING THE HAWAII STATE ASSOCIATION OF
COUNTIES NOMINEES TO THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
OF COUNTIES BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE
WESTERN INTERSTATE REGION BOARD OF DIRECTORS
FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023."
■Maui County Council Resolution No. 22-163. RESOLUTION
APPROVING THE HAWAII STATE ASSOCIATION OF
COUNTIES EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE'S NOMINATIONS TO
THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND
WESTERN INTERSTATE REGION BOARD OF DIRECTORS
FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023."
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■Hawai`i County Council Resolution No. 451-22.
RESOLUTION APPROVING THE NOMINATION OF
MEMBERS TO THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
COUNTIES BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE WESTERN
INTERSTATE REGION BOARD OF DIRECTORS. Pending
approval by full council on July 19, 2022.
■City and County of Honolulu Resolution No. 22-163.
RESOLUTION APPROVING THE HAWAII STATE
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES NOMINEES EXECUTIVE
COMMITTEE'S NOMINEES TO THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND
THE WESTERN INTERSTATE REGION BOARD OF
DIRECTORS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022-2023."
CM Chock: The nominations pass.
c. Discussion and consideration for approval of the Lobbyist contract
between HSAC and Okudara &Associates.
ED: Three main amendments, first added language to clarify that that2the ED would
work as the designee for HSAC to work with the lobbyist
Removed drafting of bills for the lobbyist form July - Sep stage, as intent is for
councilmembers to draft the bills, encouraging them to come up with the language
and present to the council for approval. Then HSAC reviews and approves and goes
to the full councils for final approval. Third items regarding payment for lobbying
services amendment to $25K to match the budget which was approved. The revised
version of the contract will be sent out but only requires President Chock's signature.
CM Chock: Take a motion.
CM Kimball:Motion to approve. Seconded. Motion passes approving the
amendments.
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CM Chock:Any discussion on reports?All those in favor say aye. Reports
have been approved.
• OLD BUSINESS
a. Discussion and consideration for approval of the Executive Assistant
contract for July 2022.
ED:Amendments include changing the termination clause to allow either party to
give notice to terminate. The title has been amended to Executive Director from
Executive Assistant. The hours have increased from 10-15 to 15-20. The
compensation has increased from $3000 to $4000.
CM Chock:Motion to approve. Contract approved.
• ANNOUNCEMENTS
a. Scheduling of the next Executive Committee meeting
Next meeting August 11, 10 am - 11 am.
• ADJOURNMENT
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HSAC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING
THURSDAY,AUGUST 11, 2022
10:00 A.M., or soon thereafter
Via Videoconference & In Person
City and County of Honolulu
530-:South King Street, Room 202, Honolulu, Hawaii 96813
Countyof Hawai`i
=12 ,Aupuni Street.Suite2409, Hilo, Hawai`i 96720
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4396 Rice Street,Lihu`e, Kauai, Hawaii 96766
County of Maui 07 _
200 S. High Street,Wailuku, Mauiti'Hawai`i 96793
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II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Agenda approved.
III. MINUTES ,R
a. July 22, 2022, Executive Committee Meeting,
Minutes approved.
IV. REPORTS
a. Treasurer's Report
The balance in the primary HSAC account: $114,999.24
The balance in the conference account: $107,743.67
Total deposit account balances: $222,742.91
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CM Kimball: After the conference requesting. a meeting with the
Treasurer's office to reconcile accounts.
ED: Regarding the treasurer's policy, we reached out to the accountant from Maui
who originally created the Quibkbooks, and were advised it was not best to reach out
to them as they no longer represent HSAC. At this time, we will work with the
accountant who we are working with who will advise us on how best to proceed. We
are also looking at converting all of our Quickbooks payments to online which will
make our whole process more efficient and will strengthen our recordkeeping.
Treasurer's report adopted.
b. County Reports:
•County of Hawai`i
CM Kimball: Will update on conference later. We did pass the electric vehicle, electric
charging bill out of committee, passed unanimously. happy to share if anyone is
interested. Considering a complete revision of the chapter on civil defense, something
that I am interested to report on once we have had deliberations on this.
•County of Kaua`i
CM Chock: We too have an electric vehicle bill introduced. We have 8 new planning
bills from CZO changes to some specific restructuring of campgrounds and
everything under the sun. Bill under finance continues to move forward, the housing
charter amendment did not pass.
•County of Maui
CM King: Sorry that the affordable housing fund did not pass. Maui county passed
Bill 108 first reading, that bill allows the person / state law makes it illegal to sleep
in your car on public property, and allows counties to supersede that law if they
make it a bill. Allowing it to make it legal for certain circumstances we control, to
allow for a pilot project fora safe sleeping zone for people. Once this passes, the grant
we passed in the budget will go towards this pilot project. It eliminates the fines, we
will have to do an amnesty thing about the number of fines.
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The second low income area, 118 units, up for lottery today, move in
starts in November, less that $600 p/month, beautiful ocean views, above golf course,
leed certified, can be environmental and affordable at the same time. Hoping to pass
the wetland and restoration bill. Working on the IECC, International Energy
Conservation Code. We found out public works will not make any recommendations.
We are going to hear this in committee as there are lots of people pushing for electric
vehicle installation that want some changes. Maui children's justice center to be
created on Maui, likely to pass second reading. Had thought we had the lighting bill
passed to protect seabirds and turtles. What came up was that a news report
erroneously reported we were going to cancel night events and school sports, and
there is nothing in this bill that does that, there is a clear exemption for this in the
bill.
•City and County of Honolulu
CM Waters: First full council meeting under the new sunshine law, took all the
remote testifiers first, told them up front they could testify now, or at the measure
when it is called. Most people online decided to testify up front, we were done by 1pm.
It worked pretty well. Remember the discussion where Maui had gone to lam.
Possible to conduct it without any issues.
CM King: We also stop half way through and ask if anyone else wants to testify.
CM Waters: Tell them up front they can testify only once. Encourage people to get it
all out in the beginning. Do the remote testimony first, that way people in the
audience have to wait.
c. NACo & WIR Report
CM Kuali`i:New guidance on flexibility of ARPOA funds for affordable housing. The
new leadership includes Leana Fowler, supervisor, Native American, Ashley
Kurkiwitz form Hawaii county are the two new vice chairs for our committee.
Committee had 11 resolutions - one of them from CM Kama passed unanimously.
CM Kama & I are working with Fowler from Arizona on nationalization of native
county leaders and allies. New affiliate with NACo that we are trying to build.
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Several of us went to a workshop session to work on affordable housing,
they released a housing matchmakers tool - which is county by county. Already
shared it with our county housing agency and if we can also help them by getting
them more correct or up t o date data, then it will help them see how different
counties are doing it across the country.
CM Waters: Emphasizing what Kipukai said about the affordable housing tool they
broke it out by each city, Honolulu was there. During the meeting we talked about the
median price of a home as $1.1M. We want to invite the speaker to come and speak to
the council. This person was so knowledgeable and it literally gives you advice per
county on what you can do. This session was great, because we helped elect Vice
PResident Gore, who will then become the President in the future. The NACo meeting
was so valuable, encourage others to attend these in the future.
CM Chock: Send a message to our representatives that they do not have to attend but
can send a written report. Encourage HSAC to be the communication base.
CM Waters: What I learned during these sessions is that there are other parts of the
country outside of the Western region that we can attend as well.
CM Chock: Yes, they may have other regions of interest
CM King: There are other regions also trying to get into WIIR as it is one of the more
active regions.
CM Chock:Motion to approve the reports.
Reports passed and approved.
d. Executive Director Report
Executive Director Report
August 2022
Last report was given on July 22,2022. The following is a summary of the work being
conducted by the Executive Director, Nahelani Parsons.
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V. HSAC conference:ED is continuing to attend the HSAC conference planning
committee meetings. Goal is to create a guideline document of how the
conference was set up that will help future counties when they plan their own.
VI. Golf tournament:A weekly recurring meeting for the Golf tournament
planning committee occurs every Friday at 8.30 am via zoom. All are welcome
to attend.
a. Volunteers:please let us know if you have anyone who would like to
volunteer and I will reach out to them to follow up. Eddie Topenio Jr )is
working on our volunteer assignments.
b. Outreach:
■94 General Managers from the Hotel Industry have been
contacted via physical mailer and email, 20 emails bounced
back.
■510 Hawaii businesses were sent out 4 page physical mailer. 72
addresses were invalid and bounced back.
c. Details to get involved:
■Register now!
https://events.golfstatus.com/event/84cd2c47-e66a-4349-ad34-a
8f2fca57c73/details/registration-details
■Sign up to sponsor:
https://events.golfstatus.com/event/84cd2c47-e66a-4349-ad34-a
8f2fca57c73/sponsor/available-sponsorships
■Donate prizes: We are seeking prizes for golf awards. These
include anything from wine bottles, to hotel rooms, golf, etc.
Please contact anyone that may be interested and send info to
hsac@hawaiicounties.ora with details.
■In-kind hole sponsors: We are recruiting interested parties who
would like to host a tent or give away at a hole. This can range
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from a food sample, beverage, or give away. We have
18 spots available. The company must bring their own tent,
equipment
•$2000 Hole Sponsor:For sponsors who do not have boots on the
ground to support a hole sponsor we are offering $2000
sponsorship which includes a cooler placed at the hole, filled
with ice and the beverage of their choice, along with a yard sign
with their company logo on. All coolers will be donated to a local
charity at the end of the event.
d. Golf prizes:
■Asking for every council member in attendance to bring 5 gifts.
Ideally 4 of the same type for one team prize. Please email
hsac@hawaiicounties.orR to let the HSAC-ED know what you are
bringing.
Status of
Contact physical
Company Name Location Description item
Ko hana iki golf
Ko Hana Iki Mason Chock Kona course MC
Local Beverage co?
Budweiser etc? Wine tree - need 140 MC
Two- 1 hour
massage gift
Hoomalie Massage Mason Chock 'Kauai certificates MC
Blue Hawaiian
Helicopters Dickie Chang Statewide`.Helicopter tours MC
Eddie`s Chili pepper 12 bottles Chili
Water Eddie Topenio Kauai pepper water MC
Sadie Two couples ATV
Kipu Ranch Kaneshige/Mai Kauai tour certificates MC
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Prizes can be delivered/mailed to:
c/o CM Heather Kimball
25 Aupuni Street, Hilo, HI 96720
e. Budget & Sponsorship Update
■We have $30,500 in commitments.
■Based on the expense of hosting 144 golfers, we estimate spending
$14,680 to host the golf tournament.
•From the current sponsorships raised that puts us at a net profit
of$13,320.
•Goal is for the Golf Tournament to raise $20,000,0. We need to
bring in an additional $7000 or-more to obtain that goal.
VII. Treasury Update:Priority for August is to push forward with the accountant
who is working on the audit to,get everything finalized. This is required before
we start to transfer over our check payments and treasurer's reporting process
to be run out of QuickBooks.
VIII. NACo:A NACo conference report will be shared with HSAC EC regarding the
ED attending the June 2022 Annual conference in Denver, Colorado. The
conference lasted 4 days and was full of information on federal funding
information as well as a great resource that connected me to other Executive
Directors. I am currently meeting with other ED's, one to two per week, to
learn about their association, how it is structured, operated, and what their
budget looks like. I have had follow up emails with companies who were
present at the Exhibit hall during the NACo conference, this is so I can share
the information with our members as well as look for future corporate
sponsors.
IX. Legislative Update: Jon Okudara to provide an update on any legislative -
items. Friendly reminder to counties about the legislative timeline, included
below.
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a. July 1 (Jul 31,_2022)- Executive Committee to encourage
councilmembers to compile issues of interest.
b. August - Executive Committee to encourage councilmembers to gather
feedback from related stakeholders on the legislative ideas proposed.
Discuss merits of and approve issues for further research and/or
legislative bill drafting.
c. September 23, 2022—Deadline to receive proposals (in legislative bill
format)from each County to be included in the 2023 HSAC Legislative
Package.
d. September 30, 2022—Schedule HSAC Executive Committee Meeting to
discuss and act on all proposals submitted by the Counties. Approved
proposals will then be forwarded to each County for consideration.
(Note: The proposed HSAC Legislative Package will be
transmitted to each County Council for consideration.
Unanimous approval is required for each proposal to remain in
the HSAC Legislative Package.)
e. November 23, 2022—Deadline for the Counties to approve the proposed
2023 HSAC Legislative Package and report back to HSAC.
f. December 15, 2022(tentative date)—Schedule HSAC Executive
Committee Meeting to approve the final 2023 HSAC Legislative
Package.
CM King: How do we want to address the previous years legislation?Do we need to
go through the whole process to get it introduced into the HSASC package? Jon, can
you pull up the bill from last year.
Jon: Yes, trying to focus on another part of the SMA which would put it more under
county control.
CM King: Goal would be to get some thing exempt to prevent the long process.
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X. General Administrative Duties: ED has been working on
fundraising ideas for future budgets, including looking into corporate
sponsorship programs, as well as website sponsors, educational seminars, as
well adding a luncheon or breakfast event in addition to the current
conference and golf tournament.
■Golf Flier
■Golf Tournament Mailer
ED: Looking at 144 golfers max, the golf course is flexible to accomodate a lower
rshi s soar we have onlyone team signed
number. We have raised in sponsorships g
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up at this time. Need for everyone to follow up to secure more registrations as well as
more prizes. Appreciate everything everyone is doing to secure prizes for the golfers,
but we still need more items to come in.
XI. NEW BUSINESS
a. Receipt of the following resolution approving the HSAC NACo and
WIR nominees:
•Hawai`i County Council Resolution No. 451-22. RESOLUTION
APPROVING THE NOMINATION OF MEMBERS TO THE
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES BOARD OF
DIRECTORS AND THE WESTERN INTERSTATE REGION
BOARD OF DIRECTORS.Approved by full council on July 19,
2022.
Received.
XII. OLD BUSINESS
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XIII. ANNOUNCEMENTS
CM Chock:Introducing`:Allison Okasaki who will be the contact person for the office.
a. Scheduling of the next Executive Committee meeting
CM Kimball: Suggest holding the general and the EC meeting at the same time. This
will be Thursday September 29, 2022. Scheduled for 5- 6 pm. No room set yet, it will
be one of the breakout rooms.
CM Chock:In the past we have had the meeting at the main session but I don't think
we are bound to it.
CM Kimball:My thinking is that we have a smaller attendance than what we need
for in the main ballroom.
XIV. ADJOURNMENT