HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN LAAC 2023/05/16 (2022-2024) Committee on Legislative Approvals and Acquisitions
9th Session
Hawaii County Building
25 Aupuni Street
Hilo, Hawaii
May 16, 2023
CALL TO The regular meeting of the Committee on Legislative Approvals and Acquisitions
ORDER: was called to order at 4:47 p.m., in the Council Chambers, Hilo, by
Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Chair.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Chair
Ms. Michelle M. Galimba, Vice Chair
Ms. Cindy Evans, Member(via videoconference from Kona)
Ms. Jenn Kagiwada, Member
Mr. Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Member
Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member
Ms. Heather L. Kimball, Member
Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member
Absent and Excused: Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member
STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items.
PUBLIC ON
AGENDA ITEMS: (There were none.)
Recess: At 4:50 p.m., the Chair called for a recess.
Reconvene: The meeting reconvened at 5:35 p.m.
CHR. INABA: I am taking the Committee on Legislative Approvals and
Acquisitions out of recess. And we will start from the top of the agenda please.
Mr. Clerk, Resolution 178.
RESOLUTIONS: The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
Resolutions.
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Res. 178-23: AUTHORIZES THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION TO
AWARD FUNDS TO `OHANA O KOHANAIKI CULTURAL FOUNDATION
Provides grant funds in the amount of$48,000 for roof repairs to the Native
Hawaiian Hale at Kohanaiki Beach Park.
Reference: Comm. 293
Intr. by: Mr. Inaba(B/R)
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to recommend adoption of Res. 178-23.
Seconded by Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
CHR. INABA: We have here, I think Parks is on their way. But Finance is here
if anyone has questions. We have Deputy Hiraishi of Parks and Recreation here
right on the dot. Deputy, if you'd like to share anything on Resolution 178-23,
you can go ahead.
(Note: At this time, Deputy Director Michelle Hiraishi came forward to
address the members of the Committee.)
MS. HIRAISHL Thank you. Good evening. Michelle Hiraishi, Deputy Director
for Parks and Recreation. Excuse my windedness.
CHR. INABA: She ran over straight from their building.
MS. HIRAISHL I thank the Council for the opportunity to speak briefly on this.
Kohanaiki, as you know, is a fantastic area, a fantastic beach park. And at that
site is a hale there that is large and over the years the roof has deteriorated. What
they've done is, I'm not quite sure who built that originally, but when Parks and
Rec took it on the thatching on top had started to deteriorate as I mentioned. And
they asked for monies to replace it.
When we first started to meet with them we looked at a synthetic kind of material
to use as the thatching and that took away the cultural significance, I think. It
made it a plastic roof. So what the group did is coordinate with a local builder
who has experience in building those kinds of roofs and he has a project to totally
replace that roof to actually do the harvesting with kids from the area, to go
through that process of letting it dry out, and then actually rethatching it. So the
funds would be to help support that, to support both that builder as well as to get
the additional materials. Again, I apologize for my windedness. But we just hope
that the Council will support this. We think it's a fantastic project. And the
bigger picture is that then it's an educational activity in an educational space for
our island, our entire island.
I can tell you in other projects in Parks and Rec I often will refer to that hale and
the traditionalness behind it and the uses that they have for that, and encourage
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other communities to use that idea and fashion that idea in new parks and new
design. So we even have folks that will go over and visit that site just to get eyes
on as they start to look at their own areas in their own communities.
Point of Clarification: CHR. INABA: Thank you, Deputy Hiraishi. And just for a point of clarification,
we did have uncle Reggie Lee on the line earlier trying to testify. So he works at
the Kohanaiki Shores, the development side. And again, Kohanaiki is a
partnership between community, the County, and the development. And this
nonprofit we often hear, Kohanaiki `Ohana, separate nonprofit from `Ohana
O Kohanaiki, which is a nonprofit established by the development to take in funds
for certain items, improvements in the park. So I just wanted to point that out for
the Council and open it up for any discussion if anybody has any. Council
Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Chair. Thank you for being here
today, Deputy Director. Yes. I agree completely that the roofing, if replaced with
anything other than what it is now, would look horrible. So all this is really
needed and sticking through traditional Hawaiian building techniques would be
beautiful. So thank you.
CHR. INABA: Mahalo. Council Member Galimba.
MS. GALIMBA: Just a question. Is this the total amount of the project or will
there be other funding sources for the project?
MS. HIRAISHL This is the total amount for the project.
MS. GALIMBA: Okay. And do the know where they're going to be resourcing
the palms from? Is it going to be in the area, do you know?
MS. HIRAISHL I can't specifically answer that. But I think just in their
approach that it will be from the area. But I can't answer that specifically. I'm so
sorry.
MS. GALIMBA: No problem. Thanks. I yield.
CHR. INABA: Alright. There being no further discussion, I just want to take this
opportunity to thank Director Messina, Deputy Hiraishi. This is a request that
came in before I was on the Council and something that—the fact that we can
fund this project now after a partnership with the development is amazing. So
mahalo to you both for leading this charge.
MS. HIRAISHL Thank you for your support in this.
CHR. INABA: Mahalo. There's a motion on the floor to forward
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Resolution 178-23 to Council with a favorable recommendation. All those in
favor?
Vote on Res. 178-23: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 178-23 was
(Approved) carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Kagiwada,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball,
Lee Loy, and Chair Inaba—8.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Member Villegas — 1.
Excused: None.
CHR. INABA: Moving to Resolution 179-23.
Res. 179-23: AUTHORIZES THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TO NEGOTIATE A SIXTY-
FIVE YEAR LEASE WITH THE HOUSING AND LAND ENTERPRISE OF
HAWAII COUNTY, DBA: HALE O HAWAII FOR THE PURPOSES OF
DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME
ON TAX MAP KEY 2-4-024:157 FOR A PILOT COMMUNITY LAND
TRUST PROGRAM AT A SET LEASE AMOUNT OF $10.00 PER YEAR
Provides a partnership to finance, construct, and sell an affordable home on state
lands, subject to affordability restrictions, to an eligible purchaser for affordable
housing and shelter purposes.
Reference: Comm. 294
Intr. by: Mr. Inaba(B/R)
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to recommend adoption of Res. 179-23.
Seconded by Ms. Galimba.
CHR. INABA: I believe we have Deputy Yada from the Office of Housing and
Community Development. If you'd like to come forward to share on this
resolution?
(Note: At this time, Assistant Administrator Harry Yada came forward to
address the members of the Committee.)
MR. YADA: Good afternoon, Chair Inaba. Council, I guess it's good evening.
Harry Yada, Assistant Administrator for the Office of Housing and Community
Development(OHCD). This resolution proposed authorizes the Director of
Finance to negotiate a 65-year lease with the Housing and Land Enterprises of
Hawaii County, DBA: Hale O Hawaii at ten dollars a year for the purposes of
constructing a single-family home on tax map key 2-4-024:157, located in the
University Heights subdivision near the University of Hawaii at Hilo Campus.
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The property is in a very established and nice subdivision and the lot actually
backs up to the public park. The 10,000 square foot parcel is owned by the State
of Hawaii, held by the County under Governor's Executive Order 4641. The
purpose of which is for affordable housing and shelter purposes. The property
formerly contained a single-family structure that was in very bad shape and
recently demolished to allow for the construction of a new home.
As this property is owned by the State of Hawaii, held by Governor's Executive
Order it cannot be sold and hence the proposed lease in front of you. Hale
O Hawaii is the sole community land trust on the island. There is no other land
trust that we know of. And we're proposing this 65-year lease basically as a pilot
because it's not exactly the typical land trust transaction. The typical land trust
transaction is the land trust owns the property or the land, they build a house and
they sell the improvements to a buyer under affordable conditions. And the land
is transferred by a 99-year lease. So this is a twist on the same concept and we're
partnering with Hale O Hawaii to do this. And if we make this work it basically
opens the door for us for the use of state lands to do many others. And, you
know, it's a critical part of our plan to try and address the affordable housing
shortage.
The OHCD has made a lot of progress in getting state land. And so we're hoping
this moves forward. We did have representatives of Hale O Hawaii in Council
Chambers in Kona. I'm not sure if they're there,probably not at this point. And I
was kind of having them available to answer more questions that you may have
about the land-trust concept and all of that. I mean I can answer some of that.
But I was hoping they would address more of that.
CHR. INABA: Thank you, Deputy Yada. And if you'd like to introduce yourself
for the record you can go ahead and share.
(Note: At this time, Deputy Corporation Counsel Diana Mellon-Lacey
came forward to address the members of the committee.)
MS. MELLON-LACEY: Yes. Deputy Corporation Counsel Diana Mellon-Lacey.
CHR. INABA: Okay. Would you like to add anything before I open it up to
Council?
MS. MELLON-LACEY: I'm really here if there's any questions by Council
Members. Thank you.
CHR. INABA: Thank you. Opening it up to council members starting with
Council Member Kagiwada.
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MS. KAGIWADA: Thank you, Chair. Thank you, both of you, for being here.
Just wondering, so this is a new kind of thing we're trying, right? What happens
after 65 years?
MS. MELLON-LACEY: Well after 65 years is, as I understand it, that's the
maximum period of time that you can do a lease for EO, Executive Ordered, land
from the state. But I believe, as I understand it, that that could be renewed.
MS. KAGIWADA: So the improvements, that's the house that's on there, after 65
years could be released or what?
MS. MELLON-LACEY: Well as I understand it, the house itself could belong to
the occupant or would belong to the occupant. And so they would be able to sell
the house, much like with Hawaiian Home Lands where they would own the
house, could sell the house but not the property. So that would ensure with deed
restrictions that it would continue to only go as affordable.
MS. KAGIWADA: Okay. But there's no, when they say they sold it in 60 years,
there's only five years left on the lease, there's no guarantee that the people would
have the lease renewed, but it's typical. Is that what I'm hearing?
MS. MELLON-LACEY: That's my understanding, yes.
MR. YADA: I guess I can't say anything is typical. I mean this is a pilot that
we're trying on state land that, you know, provides us that opportunity to use state
land for affordable housing. I mean that's our understanding in just reading the
law, that this would be possible. The land trust would basically have the 65-year
lease. They could renew it. And at that point they can decide to sell it to a new
buyer. I mean I'm not sure what condition the house will be in at 65 years. But
it's really the land trust would keep it perpetually in, well not perpetually, but as
for the terminal lease it will be affordable, right.
MS. KAGIWADA: So what happens you said, though, that this happens with
the 99-year leases. So typically what happens after the 99-year lease is up?
MR. YADA: That's kind of the Hawaiian Homes model. I'm not sure if we'd
reach 99-years.
MS. KAGIWADA: Okay. So we don't know. So do you know why 65 was
chosen?
MR. YADA: It's basically a statutory restriction in the Hawaii Revised Statutes.
MS. KAGIWADA: That's a maximum?
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MR. YADA: Yeah. The statute that governs DLNR (Department of Land and
Natural Resources) and EO's basically restricts us to 65. It can be extended for
another 10 years based on the statute at any point. But the initial term can only be
65 years.
MS. KAGIWADA: Okay. And the person who owns the improvements are
responsible for any fixes or anything that needs?
MR. YADA: Right.
MS. KAGIWADA: Okay. Just like a rental. Okay. I appreciate your comments.
CHR. INABA: Council Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: How did we come to get this property from
the state? I mean, Executive Order. But why?
MR. YADA: Yeah, by Executive Order. I used to be with DLNR. This was
existing when I started back in 1997. They bought it back, DLNR bought it back
and it got caught up in the whole state land ownership ceased lands. So basically
the house deteriorated over 50 years or 40 years. And so we ended up having to
tear it down and to be able to build a new home on it.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you.
MR. INABA: Council Member Kimball.
MS. KIMBALL: Thank you. I just had a quick question. It's really about the
vehicle by which the affordability will be established, like what the income range
will be. Is there a housing agreement that occurs with something like this or is it
part of a deed restriction? It doesn't say anything specifically about affordability
in this resolution. I'm wondering with that's a problem or if there's another
mechanism that establishes that at some later genture (8:12:52).
MR. YADA: The affordability will be governed by the lease between the land
trust and the buyer. And the buyer will qualify for a mortgage to cover the value
of the improvements. So it's not like, you know, they're going to have to qualify
from a traditional bank for the value of the mortgage itself for the improvements.
MS. KIMBALL: Okay. I'm not if I fully understand. Are you also confused?
Okay. Because what you're saying to me doesn't align with the model—well
okay, so it'll apply to the land lease but not necessarily the mortgage. I think I'd
like to hear more about this the next time we have the hearing. I'm willing to
support this, but I'm curious if there can't be some kind of deed restriction or some
other document that
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MR. YADA: Well I'm hoping that the Hale O Hawaii, we had two board of
directors waiting, but unfortunately they had to leave.
MS. KIMBALL: Yeah. If they can be here next time, because there's always the
concern, of course, when we support the construction or the building of a home
that's going to be affordable that it remains in an affordable class. And then
there's also the conversation about what those bins are in terms of the income
levels and whether, is this an 80 percent or is this 120 percent? Where are we with
this? So just for next time, I'd just like to hear more about that. Thank you, Chair.
I yield.
CHR. INABA: Council Member Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Thanks. You know, along the lines as my colleague, Ms.
Kimball, absolutely same questions. Because what I'm hearing is this is one lot
with one single-familyI mean we're talking about one. Completely support. I
would love to hear a little bit more about that mechanics of the lease being held in
perpetuity by the state, county in this case, because it's an Executive Order, but
how the trust then qualifies for a mortgage to build?
MR. YADA: Well it's the buyer that will qualify for the loan.
MS. LEE LOY: The buyer, right. And so there's definitely some language
between that lease agreement, right, and the ownership.
MR. YADA: Yeah. There will be a sub-lease between the land trust and the
buyer.
MS. LEE LOY: The buyer, right. Yeah, I would love to hear a little bit more
about that mechanics of all of that. I know you touched a little bit upon, you
know, Hawaiian Homes.
MR. YADA: Yeah, I guess the only thing I can bench on is I know they have done
two transactions. But this is these again, where they own the lot and they did the
lease. And they found a buyer. They did one in Paradise Park and a recent one in
Ainaloa.
MS. LEE LOY: Okay.
MR. YADA: And Maui has been very active with land trusts.
MS. LEE LOY: Right. And I know Council Member Kierkiewicz and I were part
of some of that related conversations around land trusts. And then, like to your
point of the mechanics on DHHL (Department of Hawaiian Home Lands) and the
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65-year lease and the 99-year lease,just apples and orangutangs when it comes to
DLNR and DHHL. So yeah, love to move this forward, but would love to hear
MR. YADA: I think the basic principle is they don't pay for the land value.
MS. LEE LOY: How does that work with taxes? Does the taxis it a residential?
We can talk about that at our next meeting.
MR. YADA: Yeah, they would be taxed as a normal.
MS. LEE LOY: Yeah. Love to hear all about it.
MR. YADA: Okay.
MS. LEE LOY: I yield.
CHR. INABA: Thank you. Deputy Yada, can we just confirm that tax one with
Hale O Hawaii for sure so that they're prepared to answer that question, how will
the taxes be paid? Because I don't know that we tax our own lands and if it's our
own and there's a sub-lease—so just having that discussion prepared for the next
time. Council Member Kierkiewicz.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. Harry, are you able to disclose for us,
who the two board members were in Kona? Is this Pete Hoffmann's project?
MR. YADA: Pete Hoffmann and Loretta.Wickendin. I think Lorettaa is the current
head of their land trust.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay, because I remember it being called HILT, Hawaii
Island Land Trust. So it looks like it's kind of taken on different—
MR.
ifferentMR. YADA: Yeah, this is what we got from them.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. No, no, no. No worries. And this is a really
interesting model. I mean I'm very familiar with Maui's model that is, you know,
partially funded by the county. They stood that up after the 2008 recession, where
there were a number of foreclosures. And so the land trust acquired it, the county
helps to fund it. A lot of the properties, like housing assets that property owners
may not want, get donated to the land trust and then now there's affordable
housing in perpetuity. And the land trust is then able to even acquire homes that
fall into like foreclosure, are there like tax liens? And so they've been actually
able to double the amount of homes that are available for like local families to
acquire and then build up credit. So it's interesting. But this is the first that I've
seen where we're using government lands. And my understanding is the only way
that an entity like Hale O Hawaii can access government land is with the county
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and the state entering into an agreement. And then through this resolution we're
essentially, not gifting, but like leasing for a very low value.
And I've seen other resolutions come through where the lease amount is like ten
bucks or a hundred bucks a year. But that ensures sort of like the affordability of
the project.
MR. YADA: Yeah, it basically eliminates the land cost under the purchase for a
buyer.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. And this is a pilot, so is there going to be like a
report at the end or at some point to identify if this model works and we might be
able to sort of expand this. I don't want a report 65 years from how. Like I want
to know very quickly, like in the next year, is this working because, again, there is
so much state land available that could potentially be positioned to support housing
development in this way.
MR. YADA: Yeah, I guess I never contemplated a report. But our intent is if this
works, we will have many following it because the opportunity for a single-family
homes on state land is such a opportunity that we already have a lot of state land
that's available to, you know, use this model to build single-family homes.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: We do. And some of it is actually already tied to
infrastructure which is perfect. Others not so much, but we can evaluate on a case-
by-case basis.
MR. YADA: Yeah. We have lots of potential.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. And then I recall us adopting a measure where we
get reports from Office of Housing and Community Development. I think this is
something that they have to report on, is the development, the production of
housing in Hawaii County. So if you could just make note to report back to us in
that, I think, quarterly report. That would be really helpful. Any progress made on
this particular pilot, because it's very interesting and we want to expand it if is
successful.
MR. YADA: Yeah, we're very excited. If this can work then it opens up a
tremendous amount of opportunities.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Absolutely. Thank you, Chair, for the latitude. I yield.
CHR. INABA: Mahalo, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
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MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Sorry. Thank you, Chair. So Hale O Hawaii
gets the lease for the property, ten bucks a year. They're going to build a home and
they're going to sell it with kind of perpetual rights up to 65-years,
99-year, whatever it's going to be.
MR. YADA: Sixty-Five years.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: When they sell the home, they collect a
profit?
MR. YADA: Well, if there's a profit, yeah, they'll collect a profit to mural on.
They're a nonprofit and that's their business of doing affordable homes, right, so
they can roll it into the next one.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: And they can do that up to 65-years with an
ability to extend?
MR. YADA: I mean, if we're on state land. They've done their own where they
own the land, right, so they'll do 99-year leases.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Can Housing and Community Development
look at doing a more sustainable practice, which would be more of a county
sponsored thing where we get someone to build a home and then we sell it, and
then we put people in the houses instead of letting a nonprofit do that?
MR. YADA: Well that means the county would get into leasing our own rentals,
which is not something we currently do. And I don't know that we want to
develop our own portfolio of rentals.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Affordable rentals. Okay. Thank you.
CHR. INABA: Checking in Kona, any questions?
MS. EVANS: No, Chair. Just in strong support. Thank you.
CHR. INABA: Alright, bringing it back here to Hilo. Council Member Kimball.
MS. KIMBALL: Yeah, super quick. Is this model you're thinking of for
`O`6kala?
MR. YADA: `0`6kala, the county owns the land. So it could be sold in that case.
So I don't know that we would follow this model.
CHR. INABA: Thank you. Yeah, it'll be good to have Mr. Hoffmann and the
Hale O Hawai`i folks here. Perhaps it might be good to have them review the
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video from today's discussion just so they're prepared. With that, there's a motion
on the floor. I'm sorry, Council Member Galimba, go ahead.
MS. GALIMBA: I guess to that point, I mean, one of my questions and I sort of, I
think, Council Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder sort of hinted at this, I think, is that
other land trust models they will cap the amount of profit that can be made at the
end of the 65-years such that it continues to be affordable. So that would be
something that I would be interested in hearing from Hale O Hawaii or from
yourself.
MR. YADA: I think Hale O Hawaii is better suited to answer this question. My
understanding is that they did a house in Paradise Park and they ended up selling
it, I think for $190,000 or something like that. And they appraised the value of
home as a normal sale and it was like $300,000. So this is a way of making a
home affordable and at least the owner would own the improvements. So it's a
national concept, right, on land trust.
MS. GALIMBA: Yes. Thank you. So we'll look forward to hearing from them
on what their model and what their sort of rules are at our next meeting. Thanks. I
yield.
CHR. INABA: Mahalo. Any further questions. Okay. If not, there's a motion on
the floor to forward Resolution 179-23 to Council with a favorable
recommendation. All those in favor?
Vote on Res. 179-23: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 179-23 was
(Approved) carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Kagiwada,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball,
Lee Loy, and Chair Inaba—8.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Member Villegas — 1.
Excused: None.
CHR. INABA: Moving on to Resolution 180-23.
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Res. 180-23: AUTHORIZES THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE DONATION OF LOTS C, D,
E, F, AND G OF THE SUBDIVISION OF PARCEL 2 OF ROYAL PATENT
GRANT NUMBER 1895 TO MOHALA, BEING TAX MAP KEYS:
1-3-004:023, :024, :025, :026, AND :027, SITUATED AT `OPIHIKAO,
DISTRICT OF PUNA, COUNTY AND STATE OF HAWAII, FROM
JAMES L. KERVER AND MELANY L. KERVER, TRUSTEES UNDER
THE UNRECORDED "JAMES L. AND MELANY L. KERVER
REVOCABLE TRUST" DATED FEBRUARY 21, 2013
The landowners seek to donate approximately one acre of land to the County for
the purpose of unencumbered open space.
Reference: Comm. 295
Intr. by: Mr. Inaba(B/R)
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to recommend adoption of Res. 180-23.
Seconded by Ms. Galimba.
CHR. INABA: We have Director Sako here in chambers. As stated by the
Deputy Clerk, this is a donation of land to, we should say ocean front property, to
the county in the district of`Opihikao Puna. If anyone has questions, we can ask
it to Director Sako. Council Member Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Thanks. Deanna,just real quick. So, goes right into our open
space properties and then would be eligible for stewardship monies?
(Note: At this time, Finance Director Deanna S. Sako came forward to
address the members of the Committee.)
MS. SAKO: This is a donation. So I don't know that it's related to PONC
(Public Access, Open Space, and Natural Resources Preservation Commission),
but let me look at the paperwork again.
MS. LEE LOY: Yeah. I mean, absolutely support just where its at, but also how,
if now we own it, I want to be able to either manage it because we'll also accept
liabilities in it. You don't have to answer now.
MS. SAKO: No. I was just going to say between now and next reading you can
ask Corporation Counsel if it's possible to accept like a PONC donation, because
typically it falls just under our normal donation of property and we would just be
responsible for maintaining it. But yes, the ocean front access and everything is
really the appeal of this parcel.
MS. LEE LOY: Absolutely. And then to your point, right, we would be
responsible for maintaining it. And I would rather take the money from the Open
Space Fund rather than right out of our General Fund.
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MS. SAKO: Yup. So we'll work with Corporation Counsel to see if that's an
option or not.
MS. LEE LOY: Great. Thank you so much. I yield.
CHR. INABA: Any further discussion? Alright, there being none, thank you,
Director Sako, for still being here with us. There's a motion on the floor to send
Resolution 180-23 to Council with a favorable recommendation. All those in
favor?
Vote on Res. 180-23: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 180-23 was
(Approved) carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba,
Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy,
and Chair Inaba—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Members Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder
and Villegas—2.
Excused: None.
CHR. INABA: This is the end of our agenda.
ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 6:07 p.m., Ms. Lee Loy moved to adjourn
MENT: the meeting. Seconded by Ms. Galimba and carried by the following
voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba,
Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy,
and Chair Inaba—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Members Kaneali'i-Kleinfelder
and Villegas—2.
Excused: None.
CHR. INABA: The meeting is adjourned at 6:07 p.m. Mahalo.
Approved:
4 P,6 4�
Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Chair (Date)
Legislative Approvals and Acquisitions Committee
HI/tk
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