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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN PCCRRA 2023/06/06 (2022-2024) Policy Committee on Climate Resilience and Regenerative Agriculture 2nd Session Hawaii County Building 25 Aupuni Street Hilo, Hawaii June 6, 2023 CALL TO The regular meeting of the Policy Committee on Climate Resilience and ORDER: Regenerative Agriculture was called to order at 10:02 a.m., in the Council Chambers, Hilo, by Ms. Michelle M. Galimba, Chair. ROLL CALL: Present: Ms. Michelle M. Galimba, Chair Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Vice Chair Ms. Cindy Evans, Member Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Member Ms. Jenn Kagiwada, Member Mr. Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Member Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member Ms. Heather L. Kimball, Member Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items. PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS: The following individuals registered to speak in opposition of Bill 50 (Comm. 306), and came forward when called by the Chair: Matthew Gustayson, representing Goose's Edge, Inc. Todd Barrett, representing Goose's Edge, Inc. BILLS FOR The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, ORDINANCES: Bills for Ordinances. PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 Bill 50: AMENDS CHAPTER 14, OF THE HAWAII COUNTY CODE 1983 (2016 EDITION, AS AMENDED), BY ADDING A NEW ARTICLE RELATING TO CONCURRENT INSTALLATION OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS WITH THE INSTALLATION OF NEW GAS PUMPS AT RETAIL SERVICE STATIONS Requires the installation of an equal number of Alternating Current Level 2 Charging Stations as gas pumps anytime a new retail service station is established and the installation of an Alternating Current Level 2 Charging Station for each additional gas pump installed at an existing retail service station. Reference: Comm. 306 Intr. by: Mr. Inaba Motion to Approve: Mr. Inaba moved to recommend passage of Bill 50 on first reading. Seconded by Ms. Kimball. CHR. GALIMBA: Council Member Inaba. MR. INABA: Thank you, Chair. This is something that's kind of the follow through to the resolution that we passed last term with safe cities and getting away from, you know, traditional gasoline and other things that we've commonly used that are not necessarily good for the environment. I, myself, still drive a gas car. But in light of some of my travels away and also looking at the available infrastructure here in our county, especially in West Hawaii, for electric vehicle charging, I felt that this would be an opportunity to do concurrent development of electric chargers for electric vehicles if new or additional gas pumps are being installed in our county. So, I bring this to us today knowing, really wanting to hear from the Council. There's been testimony submitted regarding having it be DC (Direct Current) fast chargers instead, especially with the location of this bill being in gas stations. I want to clarify that the intent here is not to require electric chargers when a new pump is being replaced. It's for additional pumps that are trying to be installed at an existing facility or for a brand-new gas station. And that's when this bill would be triggered. So happy to just hear from the Council, even happy to postpone this if we need to really spend some time to work on this. But that's generally the intention, if we're trying to get away from more gas development, I don't think it's maybe right to put an outright ban on it, which some municipalities have done. It's just that we'll also get electric vehicle charging as well. So, I would love to hear from you all. Thank you. CHR. GALIMBA: Council Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Chair. I like the direction of the bill, but here's my thoughts. I'm saying this as an electrical vehicle owner, Page 2 PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 being a battery electric vehicle, not a hybrid as one of our testimonies kind of pointed at. In my opinion, as a driver who relies on electricity to charge the vehicle, a gas station is not where I'm going to go to charge. That's what I'm realizing. I'm going to be charging at places that are conducive to what I'm trying to do whether it be shopping, whether it be at a park, whether it be somewhere where I'm going to be for a long enough period of time to charge a vehicle to an extent that makes it worthwhile for me to charge. That would not be at a gas station. I'm not going to speak to the points that were brought up by the two testifiers, but more so just in my experience as an electric vehicle driver. I wouldn't go to what I believe is going to be very soon, an antiquated source of fueling and a fossil fuel derived fueling source, but I'm going to be going to a place where I'm going to spend an hour, maybe two to charge. And given the level of charging that being prescribed in this bill, Level 2, I've charged at five amps at 220 (volts), I've charged at 48 amps per 220 (volts). If you think of it real easily, 10 amps at 240 volts, that's about 10 miles per hour. A Level 2 charger, I believe, is about 15 amps, is that correct? Anybody? We don't know. Okay. Fifteen amps at 240 volts, that's about 12-15 miles an hour of charging. That's what most of the chargers around the island give. There's one at the County Building in Kona that does a 30-amp charge. That's roughly, you know, high 20's to low 30's miles per hour of charging. That's as simple as I can kind of make that. At that level, you know, my daily round trip is about 40 miles, I need to charge roughly two and a half hours to three hours to charge my vehicle for my daily trip. So, if I'm going to make a trip anywhere, I'm going to need to charge at least an hour or two to make up for what I've spent to get there. So, I do most of my charging at home. And then I'm going to be using other facilities as needed whether I'm paying or not paying, because some are free and some are not. So that's why, the background for why I would say no to the bill. The direction is good because we're stepping in the right direction. But the facility of using a gas station to be my charging that's where I'm going to not agree. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate the bill, though. I do appreciate the bill and the conversation, and I like the direction we're heading as a county. This makes sense to me. I yield. CHR. GALIMBA: Thank you. Council Member Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. A couple of things came to mind and as my colleagues know, often times I just grab the bill and I try to make it applicable, like, how does this work. And to one of our testifier's points, when facilities are being developed, there's a parking requirement that goes with it though plan approval. And I believe it was Ms. Kimball who introduced that piece of Page 3 PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 legislation that's housed in Chapter 25, and our goal to meet some of these charging stations. The one other thing, and my colleague touched upon it so eloquently, is the time it needs to charge. And when I look at the bipartisan bill, and many of you know that I sit on that transportation committee, a lot of the funding that's been made available through our bipartisan infrastructure bill was built around a lot of metrics. One of those metrics was the economic opportunities in transitioning over to these areas. And what they identified in that study, and our testifier touched upon it as well as my colleague, is people will charge at places where they park for a long time. So, where they're doing their shopping at, the market, Target, you know, those places where they're going to park and stop for a while. So, a couple of things for the author of the bill. One, I think it's not housed in the right place, and I say that because the mechanics of the applicability happen in Chapter 25, through plan approval and there's 25-4-50, where it lays out the parking requirements along with Ms. Kimball's bill from last session. And so, for those reasons, I think it's just not ready for prime time. Maybe consider looking at it going in other areas of our code. I've said this many times on the dais, this technology is ever evolving. And I really believe, and I've seen the development of the technology, is that we're going to walk away from a stand- up, plug-in charger, and we're going to be developing charging pads the sizes of parking lots. That's the technology that I see at the federal level in the transportation committee. And so if we really truly want to get ready and prepare our community for that, I really think we have to start looking at that type of advanced technology and insert that type of language into our code so that when people park at our malls, go watch a movie, they're just going to pull into a parking stall and they're vehicles are going to get charged. So, thank you, Mr. Inaba. Those are my thoughts. I yield. CHR. GALIMBA: Thank you. Council Member Kimball. MS. KIMBALL: Thank you, Chair. And thank you, Council Member Inaba, for bringing this forward. I agree with my colleagues. I think that the intent is really good here, however, you stole my line, it's not quite ready for prime time, to channel Aaron Chung. I've been an electric vehicle owner since 2019. We're now a two-electric vehicle household. I finally talked my husband into getting one as well. And what Council Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder said is correct. I haven't been to a gas station in forever. The only time I would ever go is to get a soda or something. I'm just going to run in and out. So, when I'm charging, I'm charging at, you know, Target, or in places I'm going to be for a little bit. And so, you know, that's something I'd look at as well as the charging level. Page 4 PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 But in addition, and to add to the conversation, we are going to have on this island four very high fast rapid chargers installed in Waimea, Kona, Hilo, and Pahala. In addition, R&D (Research and Development) is working on a grant right now through DOT (Department of Transportation) for additional corridor charging that would be direct through the County looking at several county facilities, parks, and other places including here and repairing the ones outside. I don't know if you've tried to park there yet, Matt, but no luck. You've got to go across the street to the judiciary. Anyway, so we have that underway. And then there's also money coming through the state to additionally put more chargers along the corridor. So there is a lot of charging capacity being brought into the island, however, I think that there is a point here and I'd be happy to work with you further on a little bit more of the intent and connect you with, you know, the Big Island Electric Vehicle Association, which was really helpful with the development of Bill 120, which was the one we did last year for the parking requirements in places of public accommodation. So, thanks for putting this forward so we can have the discussion. And I'm excited about the future and I hope Council Member Lee Loy's vision of parking pads is how we're there. But we'll need something in the interim to get us through. So, thank you. I yield, Chair. CHR. GALIMBA: Thank you. Council Member Villegas. MS. VILLEGAS: Thank you. I want to start off by thanking Council Member Inaba for bringing this up, starting this conversation, and bringing this forth. I find it ironic and slightly disappointing. The irony is in today's West Hawaii Today, there is a front-page article about the carbon dioxide levels in the air right now are the highest level they've been in more than four million years because of the burning of oil, coal, and gas. And yet we had testifiers here today who own gas stations claiming that this is a falsified urgency. After all the conversations that I've been a part of, that I've listened to, I suppose I find it still tragic that people are denying the challenging place that we're in and the repercussions that are heading our way from burning fossil fuels for the last decades. I agree that there's some work to be done here. But I think that the conversation is totally relevant and there's opportunity as we envision for future and we tap into, as Council Member Lee Loy mentioned, the things that are happening on a national level. Things move a lot faster when it comes to technology in other places, and we tend to kind of be sometimes on the outskirts of that. But we have an opportunity through a lot of the different pieces of legislation being brought forth by this Council to tap into to speed things up and to connect us to the science and technology, which, you know wow, I remember, you know, turning the television set with the knob and the concept of touching a screen and having it do things was so foreign. And so now considering the potential of someday driving onto a charging area for electric vehicles doesn't seem so Page 5 PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 Jetson's anymore. It seems kind of like, oh yeah,why not if what's above it is panels that are bringing in solar energy and charging the building you're going into. So, this is an exciting time. Unfortunately, what I'm hearing from some of the testifiers today, it's just ironic that unfortunately a lot of the businesses tied to the fossil fuel industry, who've made millions and billions of dollars, there will become a time when that will become, hopefully, unnecessary and irrelevant for the future health and well being of this planet we call home, and having a healthy, safe place for our mo`opuna's mo`opuna to live. I was just making this based on a value system of whatever it takes to get us closer to that, I would be jumping in with two feet. But, you know, taking into consideration all the other factors, all the other opportunities and ways to continue to improve upon this, I think that there are means for collaborative work and to identify ways to get theI, myself, drive an SUV gas vehicle. I yearn for the day when there's a large enough electric vehicle that I wouldn't feel like a clown in a small car. But I look forward to that and I just thank you, Mr. Inaba, for bringing this forward and bringing this conversation. And I am hopeful for the businesses who have relied on fossil fuels to begin to look into the future and to navigate their way to another successful business model that isn't as reliant on something that is widely known and scientifically proven to be contributing to the demise of our planet. And with that, I yield. CHR. GALIMBA: Thank you. Council Member Kagiwada. MS. KAGIWADA: Thank you, Chair. I agree with what many of my colleagues have said here. Excellent intent, love the discussion. Thank you, Council Member Inaba, for bringing this forward. We're looking at, you know, potentially buying an electric vehicle in the near future and when I think about where I would want to charge it would be work, it would be, you know,parks and beaches, shopping, those kinds of places, you know. Library, maybe, you know, some of these other places. The tennis courts, maybe, pickle ball, if I ever get time to get back to it. So, yeah, those are the places that I would hope to be able to charge. And I wouldn't want to spend a couple of hours at a gas station. But love the intent. Let's keep trying to work on this. And thank you so much for bringing this forward. I yield. CHR. GALIMBA: Thank you. Council Member Evans. MS. EVANS: Thank you. Corporation Counsel,please. So, I'm wondering with the commerce clause, if we amended the language, keeping intent with the title because we are limited by the title, can we qualify it for example and say, gas stations that are inside resorts nodes? And the reason I'm saying this is my recent experience. Page 6 PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 I rented my first electric vehicle on Oahu two weekends ago and I rented a Tesla. I got to rent an electric vehicle. I've never driven one. And they said that I had to deliver it with a 70 percent charge, or I would get a $35.00 fine, basically. And so, here at eight o'clock at night I'm trying to figure out where am I going to charge it? So, I end up in Ala Moana Mall and I take a nap like for 45 minutes. It charges only nine percent and then I'm realizing it takes four hours to charge this vehicle. And then if I do the fast pump, it would've cut it in half, but of course I couldn't do that because you have to spend $300 for a conversion that takes you from the regular to the fast pump. And so, I'm sitting there going, okay, I need that nine percent. So, I'm sleeping in my car there at the shopping center. And then there's people, because it's free too, and there's people waiting behind me to get in and plug in to do the free, right. And then I'm realizing, whoa, people that are visitors, people are out there, you know, maybe getting electrical vehicles, where are they going to go? And then I realized there might be some merit to this bill if we qualify it. And then I'm wondering would that be a problem in the commerce clause if we say it would only apply to the gas stations that may exist in a resort or could it be like in aI'm thinking at night time, nine o'clock at night, maybe on a dark road going up from N5'51ehu up to Kona, maybe there's some qualifier about the distance between two gas stations or whatever is 60 miles or whatever. I mean, is there a way to qualify it so maybe we want some of these electrical charging stations at gas stations? (Note: At this time, Assistant Corporation Counsel J. Yoshimoto came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. YOSHIMOTO: Good morning, Council Members. J. Yoshimoto, Assistant Corporation Counsel. Thank you, Council Member Evans, for the question. There's a lot of questions within that question. MS. EVANS: Yes. MR. YOSHIMOTO: Some thoughts. On the legal aspect, you know, the Council, as a legislative body, has discretion based upon information it has about our resources here and what we have available to us, of course within the confines of the County Code, state law, federal law, you mentioned, commerce clause, constitution, things like that. I would say as a starting point that if the Council can come up with a rational basis or nexus to what it wants to do based on what you just explained, then by all means, you can explore that. In other words, I can't really tell you if it's okay or not until the Council establishes what the reasons are for making that proposal. Page 7 PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 Like in Vice Chair Inaba's proposal, he's talking about a Level 2 charger, is that correct, right? And, you know, what we're hearing is that that's not meeting, well in some comments that may not need or be the best fit for the gas stations that are a part of this bill. However, it might be different, as Council Member Evans talked about, if you specified it as to when, where, how, what, right, because if it was a fast DC charger, maybe that's different, right. And as Council Member Lee Loy mentioned, technology is evolving. If we're going to turn into the Jetson's with this large pad or even swap battery packs or even do other alternative technology that's out there that's actually better in some people's opinion that it is not harmful to the environment, which I think should be explored. But that's not my job, that's your job. So, to answer your question, yes, I think it's definitely a possibility, but the Council needs to establish a basis for that and then we can explore the legal obstacles, if any. MS. EVANS: Right. And of course, there's the different types of charging and if you don't have the right plug it doesn't matter. It doesn't work. MR. YOSHIMOTO: Right. And you hit it on the head, because if the industry cannot even get it standardized and you're kind of like in the beta VHS tape, or Blue Ray DVD, HD (High Definition) stuff we call remember going through, right, then it creates this dilemma, you know, which one is going to prevail and we don't know because that's going to play out, right. You're laughing because we've lived it, right, and we're still, no offense to the policymakers, not this body, but if we were repeating the same things we've done before then that's the definition of insanity. Anyway, I don't want to get in my soapbox. So, I'm answering the legal questions, yes. MS. EVANS: I appreciate it, but what I realized, too, is how fast the battery goes down when you're driving. And that kind of, whoa. So, I think when you get an electric vehicle you just have to experiment what your distances are and, you know, kind of, hopefully there's an app and I don't know if this is true. It was released in Honolulu. There was an app that they would find the charging stations for you. So, you put it on and the screen would pop up and you knew exactly where you could go. But it didn't say what kind of charging station. So that kind of threw me off. There's a lot of moving parts to this. But I'm just trying to figure out a way to get you something out of this ordinance. Thank you. I yield. CHR. GALIMBA: Thank you. Council Member Kierkiewicz. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. And thank you, Council Member Inaba, for putting this forward. I don't know if folks know, but I grew up with a family that had a gas station in Downtown Hilo, across the street from Kalakaua Park, Page 8 PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 kiddie corner, the Hilo Post Office, what is now Atlas Recycling, used to be Hilo Auto and Truck. And so, I remember in the mornings, after school, elementary, high school, pumping gas. And so, I'm coming at it from a standpoint of, how would my dad implement something like this? And I just think the nature of a gas station and an EV (Electric Vehicle) charger, just fundamentally different experiences. A gas station, quick and convenient. EV chargers, depending on what's being installed,require a significantly more amount of time. I'm also thinking about the congestion that is potentially there depending on how long it's going to take for someone to charge their vehicle. If gas stations are meant to be a place that are convenient, you're naturally increasing the congestion by having additional folks there. So, you're not able to be in and out once you introduce EV's into the equation. I also think about just the gas station infrastructure being so incredibly different. Underground fuel storage, fuel delivery, the safety measures that are in place for these liquid fuels. I would only imagine that retrofitting a gas station to allow for EV charging units would be costly and really time consuming. And so, I think there's a lot of practical implications to consider. I appreciate the merits and the concept of this bill, but agree with my colleagues that I think our time is best spent in thinking about how we increase the infrastructure in places that folks frequent and spend time in. And beyond that, how do we make it more accessible to get an electric vehicle to folks that are I'm thinking about my community, Pahoa, Puna, individuals that are having to drive to work in Hilo and in Waikoloa. It is very difficult for them to afford an electric vehicle. And so, that is where our focus also has to lie, in making sure that everybody has access to these tools and transportation of the future. Appreciate the discussion. Thank you. I yield. CHR. GALIMBA: Thank you. Council Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, thoughts. I think it's apparent. I mean, look at the state, we have this impending road usage charge, the rock charge, that's in response to loss of fuel taxes from increased alternative methods of transportation; battery, hydrogen, it's coming. So, the state's already responding in a way of finding new ways to tax people so they can implement and keep up on infrastructure. So, we know it's coming, we know it's going to change. Technology is always going to change. In our last electrical code ongoing class, competency class for journeyman electrician, in that discussion as I read through the code book to get my journeyman license, induction charges are in there. So, that technology exists and it's coming. We're going to drive over a pad, it's going to be installed in someone's garage, whatever it may be. So, it's going to come. Page 9 PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 With all that in mind, talk to the EV owners. I think that's the best way to start. And get their feel for it. Because I think, like Ms. Kimball said and what Ms. Kagiwada said, the gas station, it really is fundamentally different and like speaking to Ms. Kierkiewicz, it's fundamentally different. Maybe a good idea would be to say, every new home shall have an EV charger Level 2. That may be a way to get the infrastructure in place and put the right things in front of everyone to start guiding policy at that level to make sure we all have the infrastructure we need. That is where I do majority of my charging. And it's like we implemented requiring solar hot water heaters on every new home, because you are making the shift at that level, the every individual level. And on the back of all this, as an electrician, a Level 2 charger takes up to about 50-amps. Your average home is 100-amp service. So, you plug two vehicles in and you're getting close to the capacity of that main breaker to trip. Any existing infrastructure, even if it's Home Depot, if they've got an underground conduit from their load center to the charging station, there's going to be a point in which the wires and the ampacity that's being served to the charging station is going to be limited to where they have to dig up existing infrastructure conduits, trench it, and rerun new wires. I mean,just that end is going to be kind of brutal for anybody who's existing who has to upgrade to a higher amperage. Bigger wires, bigger breakers, possibly revising their entire electrical system to make room for this because the draw is so heavy for these cars. Now the very, very back end to all of that, HELLO. Their draw is going to increase as we start to move towards this. So, totally support the idea. I would love to talk to you if you want to speak kind of out of the Council Chambers on this if you haven't already with someone else, due to Sunshine Law. But just my thoughts. I'm an electrician, but I'm also a vehicle owner. So, I like where this is going. I think you could really do some good with this long-term and hit the things you're wanting to do if you put it in the right direction. So,just my thoughts. I yield, Chair. Thank you. CHR. GALIMBA: Thank you. Council Member Lee Loy. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. And I do want to offer to Mr. Inaba, in addition to parking induction charging, there is also technology about putting it on the roadway. As people drive over it, they continue to charge. And I would love to put you in touch with those people who presented for us at our NACo (National Association of Counties) Conference and maybe through those different lenses, help you rework something that definitely would help us fall forward in this area. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR. GALIMBA: Thank you. Council Member Inaba. Page 10 PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 MR. INABA: Thank you. I just want to mahalo everyone for their thoughts. You know, as we passed that resolution last year with an effort to get away from fossil fuels, personally I don't see the need for anymore gas infrastructure on our island. There's portions of our island where, like Council Member Evans said, from Ocean View to about Ho`okena, there's no gas stations. And when you look at our community development plans, those areas, we shouldn't be putting in commercial activities. We know that there is negative side-effects, if you will, from gas stations; gas leaks for the environment. And what this was, was an attempt to be perhaps more fair to gas station owners and those thinking about going into the gas industry rather than putting an outright ban, providing chargers where chargers would never have been unless people are wanting to install additional pumps. So, I understand where we want chargers where we're going to maybe spend some time like the store, the park. And I definitely support that. This was an attempt to not put an outright ban on additional gas infrastructure, but instead to provide electric vehicle drivers. And perhaps the alternating current Level 2 charging station wasn't the best one. Maybe it was DC, so it's faster. But if we're not seeing any point then we perhaps just be better off with an outright ban of additional gas facilities based on some of the feedback I've heard today. So, I'm happy to—with the intent of this bill and how specific to gas pumps at retail service stations, I'm going to have to withdraw this and perhaps bring back two different pieces. But I'll say, I'm surprised, because regardless of where, it's that we don't have right now. But where this Council stands, I respect and will withdraw this and relook at it. But this was an attempt for more at no one's expense really because we weren't forcing electric charging stations unless people were trying to expand on fossil fuel providing. So, I'll give Chair Galimba an opportunity to chime in before I withdraw. CHR. GALIMBA: Thank you, Council Member Inaba. And thank you for starting this discussion and for everyone's contribution to this discussion, especially Council Member Kaneali`i-KI einfelder's very detailed knowledge of electrical practicalities. That was very illuminating. So, thank you for that as well as an electric vehicle owner. I probably have the most gas-guzzling vehicle on the Council, an F-350, yeah. But, I mean, I'm driving a lot. I mean, it gets amazing gas mileage actually for as giant as it is. So, props to Ford. But I have been sort of looking at getting an electric vehicle. And the need is real, because as far as I live it's very scary for me to make that jump especiallyI mean, even here at the Council, from what I understand, our electrical charging facilities are not reliable much less, you know, anywhere else. So, for me, yeah, okay, I was being nice. So, I think having perhaps a carrot approach for getting the market to put in more electrical charging stations, especially where people work. I think that would make a huge difference, because is really where people are going to go and stop and spend hours where they could get charged up. So, I think that Page 11 PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 would be a really interesting, to me, a way to encourage more—and I think some of this is already in Council Member Kimball's legislation last year. But perhaps we could even come up with some ways to creatively provide even more encouragement to put in more electric vehicle charging stations around the island. So, those are my thoughts. And thank you, Council Member Inaba. MR. INABA: Thank you, Chair Galimba. With that, I look forward to future discussion to see where people stand on fossil fuel usage in our county. So, I will withdraw the motion. Thank you. Withdraw Bill 50: Mr. Inaba announced the withdrawal of Bill 50. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Chair, can I say one more thing? CHR. GALIMBA: Sure. I guess. Can he say one more thing? MS. LEE LOY: You're the Chair. CHR. GALIMBA: Go ahead. MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Something that's always interested me is that we can be more stringent than the state guidelines but not less than. In that case, I believe what we're speaking to is that two parking spots, Level 2 chargers, that Ms. Kimball brought forward last year, I'm just going from memory, we can be more stringent. So, that actually would allow us to increase the amount of spaces. So, maybe up that because that's your public parking spaces. That's just a thought on the backend of all that. Thank you, Chair. CHR. GALIMBA: Thank you, Council Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. That is the end of our agenda. MR. BROWN: If we could have the motion to adjourn and then if you could announce the first, second, and call the vote, then we can adjourn the meeting if you guys are ready, whenever you guys are ready. CHR. GALIMBA: Okay. Page 12 PCCRRA-2 June 6,2023 ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 10:48 a.m., Ms. Kimball moved to adjourn MENT: the meeting. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Inaba, Kagiwada, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee, Loy, Villegas, and Chair Galimba—9. Noes: None. Absent: None. Excused: None. CHR. GALIMBA: We are adjourned. Approved: I t -- Ms. Mich e M. Galimba, Chair (Date) Policy Committee on Climate Resilience and Regenerative Agriculture MG/tk Page 13