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181h Session
West Hawaii Civic Center
74-5044 Ane Keohokalole Highway, Building A
Kailua-Kona, Hawaii
July 26, 2023
INVOCATION: Pastor Jason Meechan of Kona Faith Center gave the morning's invocation.
CALL TO The regular meeting of the Hawaii County Council was called to order at
ORDER: 9:17 a.m., in the Council Chambers, Kailua-Kona, by Ms. Heather L. Kimball,
Chair.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Ms. Heather L. Kimball, Chair
Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Vice Chair
Ms. Michelle M. Galimba, Member
Mr. Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Member (came in later)
Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member(via videoconference from Hilo)
Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member
Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member
Absent& Excused: Ms. Cindy Evans, Member
Ms. Jenn Kagiwada, Member
PLEDGE OF The Chair directed the Council to the next order of business, Pledge of
ALLEGIANCE: Allegiance.
(At this time, County Clerk Jon Henricks led the Council in
the Pledge of Allegiance.)
PETITIONS, The Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business, Petitions,
MEMORIALS, Memorials, Certificates of Merit, and Expressions of Condolence.
CERTIFICATES
OF MERIT, AND (There were none.)
EXPRESSIONS OF
CONDOLENCE:
STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business, Statements
FROM THE from the Public on Agenda Items.
PUBLIC ON
AGENDA ITEMS: (There were none.)
Hawaii County Council-18 July 26,2023
CHR. KIMBALL: Mr. Clerk, we'll start at the top today. Actually, scratch that.
Do we have ?
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, we have commission nominee Trey Livingston here
and a member of the Mayor's office.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Kierkiewicz. Excuse me,
Mr. Clerk, let's start with that report,please.
Change Order As directed by the Chair and with no objection from the Council Members, the
of Business: following items were taken out of order:
GOEAC-55 NOMINATION OF TREY LIVINGSTON TO THE LEEWARD PLANNING
(Comm. 335): COMMISSION
Requires Council
Confirmation by: July 29, 2023 (Section 134(k),
Hawaii County Charter)
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to adopt Governmental Operations and
External Affairs Committee Report No. 55. Seconded by
Ms. Galimba.
CHR. KIMBALL: We have the nominee in the Hilo Chambers, and I don't know
if—do we have anyone over there from the Administration?
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Yes, we do, Chair. We have Pomai Bartolome and
Alexy Katko.
CHR. KIMBALL: All right, great. I invite you both up to the table, if you'd like
to say anything before we begin deliberations.
(Note: At this time, Executive Assistant to the Mayor Pomaika`i
Bartolome and nominee Trey Livingston came forward to address the
members of the Council.)
MR. LIVINGSTON: Good morning, Council. Thanks for having me again, and
wish we were all face-to-face but glad we have the opportunity at least via camera
to make this happen. Somethings that I just wanted to go back on from our last
discussion, I'd like to clarify the definition of development to me is much broader
than just housing. I think that's a significant part of it, but it really goes into
improvement and progress. And we talked about where do I see Kona in
50 years. I think that one came up a few times. Really, I would like to see Kona
just as the best place to be a kid, still in 50 years, rather than list out all the
improvements that kind of go with that, like good education, good health care and
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infrastructure, etcetera. I think it really just comes down to it was a really good
spot to be a kid and I hope it continues to be that way, a good family town, as well
as Kohala.
And then what I mean by development being much broader, it's not just houses.
It's like access to the ocean and having good boat ramps, water, wastewater, all
that is taken care of, enough housing so that it's affordable for the whole spread of
a community, not just wealthy. It also is beyond just like the hard development
and what you see physically. It's having good plans and programs and all of that
available to the community.
And then lastly, I just wanted to touch that we talked about a lot of my personal
beliefs and things last time and my perceptions. I'm a professional and any
personal interest or perceived interest is left at the door. And any application in
front of me is going to be evaluated based on the facts of the application, any
testimony received, and then the laws and applicable codes that might apply to
that. And I think I bring a diverse background.
I think we all have experience in our area, in our town, but we all see life through
slightly different lenses. I see it through a kid that grew up in South Kona,
someone who went through the military, but then I also see it through the lens that
was formed from my degree. And I think that's unique from what all the other
members of the commission have. So that's really beneficial.
You've got seven members on there reviewing an application, and we're all
bringing something different in so we can have a really good discussion. And I
promise that if brought onto the commission, that I'll be prepared, I'll be there,
and I will be engaged and engaging. That's all, thanks.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you very much, Mr. Livingston. And, Pomai, anything
to add, Ms. Bartolome?
MS. BARTOLOME: Actually, on behalf of the Administration, first and
foremost, I just wanted to thank Trey for showing up, and also for his time and
effort and willingness and interest to serve on a County board and commission.
As you know, it's really not that simple to find volunteers to serve on all of these
different boards and commissions. So, on behalf of the Administration, we really
appreciate all of our volunteers. So thank you.
And then to all of our Council Members, I'm really hoping that you give him a
chance to serve on this board and really bring forth all of his expertise, his
education. I just have to point out serving in the U.S. (United States) Air Force,
my son, right now, is in England serving as a firefighter. And so, as I look at
Trey, I think about my son and, you know, again,just giving everyone the
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opportunity and the chance to serve and do what it is that we're asking, we're
seeking, and to make an impact and a difference, and to also be an example to the
rest of our community.
And not to age anyone out, but his generation stepping forward and serving and,
again, being that example. So thank you so much, Council Members, and thank
you, Trey.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Ms. Bartolome. Okay, at this point, we'll go to
deliberations from the body. Any questions or comments on this nomination?
Council Member Villegas.
MS. VILLEGAS: Aloha, Mr. Livingston. Thank you for taking the time and
consideration to kind of recalibrate and redefine some of the terms that we talked
about last time. I appreciate your humility and your willingness to serve, and
your heart for this community and for future generations to be able to grow up in
a similar capacity and with a similar experience to yours. Unfortunately, for my
own personal and professional reasons today, I won't be forwarding your
nomination or voting in support of your nomination. However, I would like for
you to understand that it hasI appreciate you as a person and your willingness
to serve and all that it takes to come here and sit in this uncomfortable space.
I express my gratitude for my counterparts on the Council who recognize the
incredible responsibility and difficult role we play in representing our vote for our
constituents for either the Leeward or the Windward Planning Commissions. I
would hope that—and I feel it's important and it's valid for us to support one
another's perceptions on who and why and how we approve of those that
represent the planning commissions on our respective sides of the island, because
the decisions made there impact the people that live in those regions very directly,
and they have far reaching and far standing consequences. So thank you,
Mr. Livingston, for being here. We'll see what the rest of my counterparts say,
but thank you again for being here and for your humility and reconsideration on
your definitions of things since our last meeting. I yield.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Villegas. Anyone else? Council
Member Inaba.
MR. INABA: Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Livingston. Thank you for the
opportunity to talk story with you offline since our last meeting. As I shared it, I
didn't know how I was going to vote today. And I believe you have the education
that nobody else has currently on the Leeward Planning Commission, and
obviously professional experience as well, looking at your resume.
What I'm concerned about right now is that I feel we are lacking a Hawaiian
cultural art. We're lacking Hawaiian cultural knowledge and perspective on the
Leeward Planning Commission, which I think is really important. We do have
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one commissioner who brings that perspective, but I don't feel that that's enough
right now where we are in Kona and what we're seeing with development and
where we're needing to have `ike Hawaii, and that perspective a part of, not just
decision-making, but the conversations that happen in the commission. And for
that reason, I'm not going to be able to support your nomination or your
confirmation today. Mahalo, Chair, I yield.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Vice Chair Inaba. Anyone else?
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair?
CHR. KIMBALL: Go ahead, Council Member Kierkiewicz.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. Trey, thanks for being here. I just wanted to
take a moment to let you know that I will continue to be supporting your
nomination. I mean you're here before me, local boy just wanting make things
better for future generations. So I certainly don't doubt your commitment to this
place and for making decisions that ensure that future generations are able to call
this place home, and that we have our natural cultural resources protected. I have
not doubted you for a single moment, and I think you would add balance and
valuable perspective to the body. And so I will continue to support your
nomination. Thank you, Chair, I yield.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Kierkiewicz. Anyone else over
here? Council Member Galimba.
MS. GALIMBA: I just wanted to say thanks, Trey, for showing up. I think you
bring a lot of good things to the community, and I will continue to support you in
your nomination, although it doesn't look like you'll have the votes. I do
understand the perspective of my other colleagues from Kona about needing more
sort of Native Hawaiian perspective on the council. However, I don't feel like
that doesn't mean that you're not a good commission member. So I will continue
to support you. Thanks again, I yield.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Galimba. Council Member
Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, thank you, Chair. I wasn't going to say anything, but
listening to my colleagues, absolutely, thank you, Trey, for showing up.
Oftentimes, a lot of these spaces, people just don't show up and engage enough.
So really do appreciate you taking the time out and advancing your name.
I also am reflective of what my Kona colleagues are saying about the need, and
it's challenging when you want to try and Frankenstein a possible candidate. But
here on the Council, we have diverse opinions and we're all here and we all need
to learn to work together. I think you being in that space would really broaden
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that discussion, but as Ms. Galimba said, we can read the room a little bit. I will
continue to support you. And if there's anything else you want to tackle, please,
count on me. I'll be more than happy to help write a letter of recommendation
and help advance you in this community. I yield.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Lee Loy. With that, I'll just also
thank you, Mr. Livingston, for taking the time to be here today again. Thank you
for your patience with our slow start to the meeting. I think your educational
background with the experience in planning as well as GIS (Geographic
Information System) lends well to this particular position on the commission.
And I'll say, additionally, a few of us had the benefit of being physically present
with you during the hearing in Committee, and I have to say, do think it makes a
difference; like I could get a better sense of you in person than via video, and I
really did get a sense of earnestness.
And while I know that there is concern about your chosen profession, I think that
there's a lot to be said for you're in a family business, and you've made it clear
that you're not seeking development for development's sake or for profit. And I
could sense that in our conversation at the last hearing. So I think it's difficult to
find people with your expertise that are willing to serve in this voluntary capacity,
so I do want to mahalo you for that and for being here and at the previous hearing.
With that, I'd like to, Clerk, please do a roll call.
Vote on The motion to adopt Governmental Operations and
GOEAC-55: External Affairs Committee Report No. 55 failed by
Failed the following roll call vote.
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, and Chair Kimball —4.
Noes: Council Members Inaba and Villegas —2.
Absent: Council Members Evans, Kagiwada, and
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—3.
Excused: None.
MR. HENRICKS: The motion fails.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Again,thank you, Mr. Livingston, for
being here. And thank you, Ms. Bartolome, for your time. At this point, let's go
to Bill 52.
MR. HENRICKS: Madam Chair, it was brought to my attention that Ms. Palma-
Glennie was able to connect and would you allow her to testify on her items at
this point before we move forward on any other items?
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Mr. Clerk. To our testifier, given that you were
having some connection difficulty earlier, I offer the opportunity to testify on all
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the items here at this point, or you're also welcome to wait until we get to the
items on the agenda and speak specifically to the item. We have a fairly short
agenda today, so not that I think it will go quickly, but your choice if you'd like
to do all of your testimony now or in advance of the item.
(Note: At this time, Janice Palma-Glennie, testifier, came forward to
address the members of the Council.)
MS. PALMA-GLENNIE: Mahalo, Chairwoman. I was only going to testify
regarding the appointment. Mr. Livingston, I appreciate that. I'm not going to
testify on the rest of the items today. I appreciate that. Thank you very much.
(See Comm. 335.4)
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to be here. All
right, with that, we will move to Bill 52,please, for second and final reading.
Bill 52: REPEALS ORDINANCE NO. 98-63, WHICH AMENDED ORDINANCE
NO. 95-70, AND REPEALS ORDINANCE NO. 95-70, WHICH AMENDED
SECTION 25-86 (NORTH AND SOUTH KONA DISTRICTS ZONE MAP),
ARTICLE 3, CHAPTER 25 (ZONING CODE) OF THE HAWAII COUNTY
CODE, BY CHANGING THE DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION FROM
AGRICULTURAL-TWENTY ACRES (A-20a) TO AGRICULTURAL-ONE
ACRE (A-la), AGRICULTURAL-THREE ACRES (A-3a), AGRICULTURAL-
TWO HUNDRED ACRES (A-200a), AGRICULTURAL-TWO HUNDRED
FIFTY-FIVE ACRES (A-255a), AND AGRICULTURAL—EIGHT THOUSAND
ACRES (A-8000a) AT KEALAKEKUA, KILOA, WAIPUNAULA, KALAMA
KUMU, AND KALAMAKOWALI, SOUTH KONA, HAWAII, COVERED BY
TAX MAP KEYS: 8-2-012:001, 012, 014 (POR.), 015, AND 8-2-001:101
(FORMERLY TAX MAP KEYS: 8-2-012:012 AND A PORTION OF 001)
(Planning Director Initiated) (Area: Approx. 11,185.708 acres)
Due to the lack of quorum, the Leeward Planning Commission forwards its
unfavorable recommendation to repeal the change of zoning district clarification for
five parcels located approximately 1.2 miles east of the Hawaii Belt Road in the
vicinity of Greenwell Mountain Road and extending approximately 8.6 miles
further east. The repeal would revert the zoning of these lands back to the
Agricultural 20-acres (A-20a) zoning district.
Reference: Comm. 326
Intr. by: Mr. Inaba(B/R)
First Reading: July 6, 2023
Motion to Approve: Mr. Inaba moved to pass Bill 52 on second and final
reading. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy.
CHR. KIMBALL: Vice Chair Inaba.
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MR. INABA: Thank you. No discussion. I ask for my colleagues' support.
Mahalo.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you. Any other discussion? Seeing none, all those in
favor please say "aye."
Vote on Bill 52: The motion to pass Bill 52 on second and final reading was
(Adopted) carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—6.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans, Kagiwada,
and Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—3.
Excused: None.
CHR. KIMBALL: We'll take it to the top of the agenda, please.
Return to Order The Chair directed the Council to return to the order of business.
of Business:
ORDER OF The Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business, Order of
RESOLUTIONS: Resolutions.
Res. 196-23: AUTHORIZES THE PAYMENT OF FUNDS OF A LATER FISCAL YEAR AND
OF MORE THAN ONE FISCAL YEAR FOR A MULTI-YEAR LICENSE
AGREEMENT OF REAL PROPERTY FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAII
DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION WITH EDMUND C. OLSON
TRUST, OWNER OF TAX MAP KEY: 2-6-008:026 IN HILO, HAWAII
Authorizes the Mayor to enter into a 10-year license agreement commencing on
August 1, 2023, and ending on July 31, 2033, for a yearly fee of one dollar for the
installation of fencing to restrict access of feral pigs and other wild animals.
Reference: Comm. 333
Intr. by: Ms. Kimball
Approve: LAAC-24
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Vote on Res. 196-23: Ms. Lee Loy moved to adopt Res. 196-23 and Legislative
(Adopted) Approvals and Acquisitions Committee Report No. 24.
Seconded by Ms. Galimba and carried by the following
voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—6.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans, Kagiwada, and
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—3.
Excused: None.
Res. 199-23: URGES GOVERNOR JOSH GREEN, M.D., TO ISSUE AN EMERGENCY
PROCLAMATION TO PROVIDE RELIEF FOR DAMAGES, LOSSES, AND
SUFFERING AND TO PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE
OF THE PEOPLE AFFECTED BY THE HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS AT THE
PROPERTY FORMERLY KNOWN AS UNCLE BILLY'S HILO BAY HOTEL
Seeks to expedite the removal of blighted structures that pose a risk to the
community based on numerous fires, squatters, illegal activity, and security issues
that were reported since its closure in 2017.
Reference: Comm. 339
Intr. by: Ms. Lee Loy
Approve: GOEAC-56
(Note: Comms. 339.12 and 339.13, from Council Member Susan L. K. Lee Loy
dated July 17 and 26, 2023, respectively, transmitting proposed amendments to
Res. 199-23, were circulated.)
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to adopt Res. 199-23 and
Governmental Operations and External Affairs Committee
Report No. 56. Seconded by Ms. Galimba.
CHR. KIMBALL: Council Member Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. We've had a lot of development around this
particular resolution and if I could just take a few minutes. I have a couple of
amendments that I'd like to introduce. I've asked Judge Strance to help share her
analysis and evaluation of the emergency proclamation that was issued by
Governor Green and then our Clerk to help us with one of the amendments that I
have.
Motion to Amend: Ms. Lee Loy moved to amend Res. 199-23 with the
contents of Comm. 339.12. Seconded by Mr. Inaba.
CHR. KIMBALL: Go ahead, Council Member Lee Loy.
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MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. Contained within this amendment is just
some updated information since the last hearing of this resolution. My staff,
thank you again,put together a more accurate number of times that the board met
on this matter. And then listening to the testimony and my colleagues' discussion
at our last committee meeting, there definitely was a desire to create a listening
session about concerns and how to move forward at Banyan Drive as a whole.
And so I've added a 14'h "WHEREAS" clause that my office would commit to
facilitating up to two listening sessions to involve stakeholder conversation.
And then during testimony at that last meeting, there was a desire from other
community stakeholders to be part of that conversation. And so I've added in our
Planning Director, our Housing Administrator, Friends of Lili`uokalani Gardens,
and Friends of Historic Banyan Drive and the East Hawaii Outdoor Circle. Ask
for my colleagues' support on this amendment.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Lee Loy. Any discussion on the
amendment? Council Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you very much. I was thinking about
this resolution at our Committee meetings, and then I saw the movement by the
State and the Governor. And I was like I totally understand why the resolution,
and I appreciate the speed in which you brought this forward. And it just ties in
well with everything that's going on, so I'll be supporting this. Thank you.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. Any
further discussion on the amendment? Seeing none, all those in favor in
amending Resolution 199-23 with the contents of Communication 339.12,please
say "aye."
Vote on Motion to The motion to amend Res. 199-23 with the contents of
Amend: Comm. 339.12 was carried by the following voice vote:
(Approved)
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
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Vote on Motion to Ms. Lee Loy moved to suspend Council Rule 23 to waive
Suspend Council the holdover for the substantive amendment of Res. 199-23.
Rules: Seconded by Ms. Galimba and carried by the following
voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball–7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada–2.
Excused: None.
CHR. KIMBALL: Again, back to the main motion, Council Member.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. And trying to stick with current events. Again,
thank you to Governor Green and DLNR (Department of Land and Natural
Resources) Chair Dawn Chang for their swift response on issuing the Emergency
Proclamation.
Motion to Amend: Ms. Lee Loy moved to amend Res. 199-23 with the
contents of Comm. 339.13. Seconded by Mr. Inaba.
MS. LEE LOY: All right, slowly walking everyone through this one. Because of
the recent developments—hang on, I'm looking at my colleagues if they all have
13. Great. I've amended the title to actually express our gratitude to Governor
Green for issuing the Emergency Proclamation and urge the Department of Land
and Natural Resources to communicate the critical pathway and time line to
ensure efficient implementation and coordination with the County.
I'd actually kindly ask for our Clerk to step in because this is an amendment of
the title. And I just want to provide my colleagues with the confidence that this
amendment is in alignment with our rules and procedures, and larger policy rules
and procedures. Mr. Clerk.
(Note: At this time, County Clerk Jon Henricks came forward to address
the members of the Council.)
MR. HENRICKS: Madam Chair, may I speak?
CHR. KIMBALL: Yes, please.
MR. HENRICKS: Thank you. Thank you for that discretion to be concerned
about these things. We need to be concerned when we're amending titles to bills;
not allowed. But resolutions essentially can be amended. There are no
restrictions on amendments to resolutions, so I don't see any issue with the
proposal in 339.13. Thank you.
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CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Mr. Clerk.
MS. LEE LOY: If I may continue?
CHR. KIMBALL: Go ahead.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. In addition to an adjustment to the title, I also
made that reflective within the body of the resolution and finally added in another
"BE IT RESOLVED"to identify that the Council hereby urges the Department of
Land and Natural Resources Chair, Dawn Chang, to communicate the critical
pathway, time line, and responsibilities of stakeholders to ensure efficient
implementation and coordination with the County of Hawaii.
At this time, I'd like to kindly ask Judge Strance to come forward and unveil to
this body the emergency proclamation itself and her analysis of what that actually
does for this particular property, and how it dovetails nicely, as my colleague
Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder mentioned. It's coagulating real nice. Judge Strance,
go ahead.
(Note: At this time, Corporation Counsel Elizabeth Strance came forward
to address the members of the Council.)
MS. STRANCE: Thank you. Good morning. Elizabeth Strance, Corporation
Counsel. You folks know by now, following the Committee hearing on the
resolution, the Governor issued an emergency proclamation. Prior to the issuance
of the proclamation, I was asked for some input on the content. I wasn't given a
lot of time to be collaborative. But because I had attended the hearing on this
where there were some statements made regarding potential hazards on the
property, and some of the other challenges and concerns that were raised, we were
able to provide some input that addresses those concerns.
I think it's important to understand the time line, and it's reflected in Council
Member Lee Loy's amendment, regarding the number of times this matter was
heard before the DLNR. And actually up until even this spring, they were looking
at remediation of the building itself. And so, since that time, the determination
has been made that the building cannot be made safe. And so there's been a sense
of urgency to take action to bring down the building because it is a hazardous
place, both environmentally and to the health and safety of the trespassers who
have gone there and any type of law enforcement or officials that would go on the
property to try to enforce laws or to try to make the place a little bit more safe.
And so theI think that the proclamation, as written, is pretty thoughtful. It
states that the property is now abandoned because the hotel cannot safely be
repaired. A particular concern that I had was when I think it was sort of
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expressed at the last hearing, is whether the County is going to get saddled with
responsibility. The property itself is state-owned, and so whatever hazards are on
the property are its obligation.
And so one of the "WHEREAS" clauses states that the State must urgently
1) build a perimeter fence to physically secure the property; 2) demolish and
remove the hotel structure and hazardous materials, as repair was determined to
be infeasible in an architectural assessment for the property, and in any event
cannot be completed in time to reduce the public health and safety risks; and
3) restoration of the site, including hazardous abatement to the extent permitted
by the available funds.
The resolution also recites, in some detail, the condition of the property that
"despite regular security presence, the lack of repairs, maintenance, and
operations has contributed to unsafe, unhealthy, and hazardous conditions at the
property and abandoned hotel. These include overall structural decay, unabated
hazardous materials, fire damage, water intrusion, falling ceilings, exposed rebar,
overflowing sewage, mold, and mildew. These unsafe and unhealthy conditions
endanger the lives of members of the public, adjoining hotel patrons, and
trespassers, as well as law enforcement officers and other first responders who
have responded frequently to service/incident calls to the property." And in that
context, the emergency proclamation is issued.
There is concern about the suspension of State and County laws. I think it's
important to take that in context, that the State does not have authority to suspend
Federal laws. So to the extent there's worry about ocean pollution, asbestos, or
lead, or things like that, there are Federal laws that are governing the State's
conduct and demolition of the structure.
These emergency proclamations I think are viewed sometimes as, oh, the State's
going to come in and completely ignore any public comment or input by County
or County officials. My experience through COVID (coronavirus disease) and a
number of other state-issued proclamations is that really isn't the case. There is a
collaborative process. I think the amendments that Council Member Lee Loy
presents, however, is important in terms of asking for periodic time lines and a
plan by the State so that the community is aware of what to expect.
There are a number of government-stood up working groups that appear to be in
various stages of activity. And so I think one of the actions that we can take as a
County is to identify what are they and how active are they; and to the extent that
they are County groups, that they either be activated or put to rest. And then if
there's something else that you want to stand up, to stand up. Because, the whole
Banyan Drive is of interest to I know this body as well as a lot of other people.
But in terms of the proclamation itself, I think it's well-stated and articulated. It
succinctly states what the problem is and what they intend to do, and that there is
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an urgency to make the property uninhabitable so as to remove the attractiveness
of it and to begin to address some of the conditions on the property. So, with that,
if there's any questions, I can answer them. Hopefully, that's what you were
intending from me, Council Member Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Judge. Excellent overview. And again, I'm kind of
fall forward on this one. So much things have happened since our last meeting,
including a weather event that held this over. What I really do appreciate of what
Judge Strance mentioned is we all have an active role in this. And we have a
number of different advisory boards and commissions that are at different levels
of activeness, as she put it. And this would really allow us to bring all of those
various boards and commissions together and identify their roles and/or come up
with a more focused guideline.
And finally, what this amendment does is move the goalpost a little bit more
again, asking for the department to come up with that critical pathway and time
line so that we can see a lot more action at Banyan Drive that really will benefit
all of Hilo. With that, I continue to ask for my colleagues' support on the
adjustments to make this resolution reflective of real-time conversations that are
happening. I yield.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Lee Loy. All right, any other
discussion on the second amendment to Resolution 199-23 before we go back to
the motion? Go ahead, Council Member Galimba.
MS. GALIMBA: Thanks. I was just kind of googling "critical pathway"
because, yeah, I hadn't really heard that term. And I see here that we have a
critical path method for project management. Is that what you're aiming at?
MS. LEE LOY: Absolutely. It is a term of art when it's used in identifying
various time lines and times to meet different things at different times so that the
funding, along with just getting the project done within a respective amount of
time, is met. One thing that Judge Strance can confirm is actually this particular
emergency proclamation has a sunset deadline of September, and that's four short
months, or now three short months, off. And so there is a lot of urgency to get
these things done, and that critical pathway and time lines will help us meet those
goals and objectives to meet the sunset deadline of the emergency proclamation.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Lee Loy. Any other discussion
on the amendment? All right, let's take care of that. All those in favor of
amending Res. 199-23 with the contents Comm. 339.13,please say "aye."
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Vote on Motion to The motion to amend Res. 199-23 with the contents of
Amend: Comm. 339.13 was carried by the following voice vote:
(Approved)
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
CHR. KIMBALL: Council Member Lee Loy, another motion to waive the rule.
Vote on Motion to Ms. Lee Loy moved to suspend Council Rule 23 to waive
Suspend Council the holdover for the substantive amendment of Res. 199-23.
Rules: Seconded by Mr. Inaba and carried by the following
voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
CHR. KIMBALL: Okay, back to the main motion. Council Member Lee Loy,
anything to add before discussion?
MS. LEE LOY: Just we have something really nice and tight and wrapped up as
best I could. Just adjusting to all the current events. Thank you, Judge Strance,
for your analysis. Thank you, Jon Henricks, our Clerk, for working with my
office. Thank you to my staff. And a great mahalo to Governor Green and
Chair Dawn Chang for their swift response to something that definitely has been a
challenge for a long time in Hilo. I ask for my colleagues' support. I yield.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Lee Loy. Let me go to Council
Member Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder first here.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Chair. I'll be lending my
support to this. I read through the MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) that
was provided from the Governor in his emergency proclamation, and the one
thing that stood out to me was the September, I think, deadline for the finish of
work. Is that not in there?
MS. STRANCE: I see that September date in the proclamation. My suspicion,
without knowing more, is that's the statutory expiration date under Chapter 127A.
Emergency proclamations have a 60-day life unless extended. And so, normally,
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these are issued and then they are continued. And so it would be surprising to me
whether all that needs to be done is going to happen before the end of September,
and it wouldn't surprise me if this is extended.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Understood. I am hopeful. When I read
that, I was like, "Wow!" So, three months, they're going to be done, wrap it up.
They're not even going to make two months. So, if they do, great. If they don't
and they extend it, okay. But the biggest thing was getting some movement on
this and taking care of the drug problem and the crime problem in the area, and
making that downtown Banyan Drive more safe. So I'll be supporting this today.
And I just really appreciate Governor Green taking that quick action towards this
issue we've had in Hilo for a long time. Mahalo, Ms. Lee Loy, for bringing this
forward.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member. Any other discussion?
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair?
CHR. KIMBALL: Yes, go ahead, Council Member Kierkiewicz.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. I just wanted to take a moment to mahalo nui
Council Member Lee Loy. I mean, there's a lot of work that goes on behind the
scenes to bring folks together. It's not always easy to work intergovernmentally.
So I just want to thank you for all of your hard work to bring everybody together,
to really highlight the issue and to get the Governor's office to move so incredibly
quickly; and to also get Chair Chang here to just showcase the commitment of
DLNR to take some serious action in Banyan Drive, which is really a vibrant hub
of our community life for residents and visitors.
And I've always considered Banyan Drive to be quite the gem. And it just needs
some polishing so that it can fully realize its luster and true potential. So thank
you, Council Member Lee Loy. I really look forward to all of the work that is
going to be restarted to ensure that we are cherishing our natural/cultural
resources, that we are nurturing responsible economic growth, that all of us who
have grown up in the islands and frequent Banyan Drive, and to new residents,
that we can fully appreciate the transformation of this space. So, well done and
thank you very much. I yield.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Kierkiewicz. Anyone else?
Judge Strance, did you have an additional comment you wanted to make quickly
before we go to the vote?
MS. STRANCE: Not really;just to kind of chime in with Council Member
Kierkiewicz. I think you have a good partner with Ms. Chang from DLNR. She
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seems to be very responsive, at least in my (inaudible)proclamation in
communicating, at least with me, about the content and that doesn't always
happen, and it was very appreciated.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you. Council Member Galimba.
MS. GALIMBA: Briefly, I also just wanted to thank Council Member Lee Loy
for her action; very inspirational and definitely needed to get done. So thank you.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Galimba. Anyone else?
Council Member Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair, for this opportunity. Mr. Kaneali`i-
Kleinfelder touched on it. What's contained now in the resolution is that
development of the time line. And as Judge Strance mentioned, we can guess that
there's going to be a need to extend this. But the time line that gets developed
will help the Governor and Chair Chang to really identify how much time is
needed and really manage expectations to ensure things get done at Banyan Drive.
Again, we continue to collaborate a lot. Judge Strance, along with the mayor, the
State Department of Land and Natural Resources, and even members of the Board
of Land and Natural Resources have been responsive of identifying things and
placing them on the agenda for decision-making. And we have some real
momentum right now, and so I'm just really excited and hopeful for Hilo. I yield.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you, Council Member Lee Loy. With that, all those in
favor of adopting Res. 199-23, as amended, please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 199-23: The motion to adopt Res. 199-23, as amended to Draft 2,
Draft 2 was carried by the following voice vote:
(Adopted)
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
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Res. 200-23: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A DESIGNATED
FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO BIG ISLAND RESOURCE
CONSERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THE
37TH ANNUAL BIG ISLAND PRO-AM SURFING TRIALS EVENT
Transfers $1,500 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 2); and credits to the Department of Liquor Control, Other Current
Expenses account.
Reference: Comm. 356
Intr. by: Ms. Kagiwada
(Note: Comm. 356.1, from Council Member Jenn Kagiwada dated July 24, 2023,
transmitting proposed amendments to Res. 200-23, was circulated.)
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to adopt Res. 200-23. Seconded by
Ms. Galimba.
CHR. KIMBALL: Council Member Lee Loy, I believe you have an amendment
from Jennifer's office.
Motion to Amend: Ms. Lee Loy moved to amend Res. 200-23 with the
contents of Comm. 356.1. Seconded by Ms. Galimba.
CHR. KIMBALL: I think this is pretty straightforward. I don't know that you
have anything to add to the discussion, Council Member Lee Loy. So it looks like
it's just the changing of the account name here. All those in favor of the
amendment, please say "aye."
Vote on Motion to The motion to amend Res. 200-23 with the contents of
Amend: Comm. 356.1 was carried by the following voice vote:
(Approved)
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
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Vote on Motion to Ms. Lee Loy moved to suspend Council Rule 23 to waive
Suspend Council the holdover for the substantive amendment of Res. 200-23.
Rules: Seconded by Ms. Galimba and carried by the following
voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
CHR. KIMBALL: Back to the main motion. With the Council's leeway, I will
just mention this is an event happening any time the waves are up here in the next
month. So keep your fingers crossed. This would be at Honoli`i, so we'll keep
our eyes out and let folks know when it's taking place. But both Council
Member Kagiwada and I were eager to support this really fun and local activity.
All those in favor of adopting Resolution 200-23, as amended, please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 200-23: The motion to adopt Res. 200-23, as amended to Draft 2,
Draft 2 was carried by the following voice vote:
(Adopted)
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
CHR. KIMBALL: Resolution 200-23 is adopted.
Res. 205-23: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A DESIGNATED
FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO BIG ISLAND RESOURCE
CONSERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL FOR THE 37TH ANNUAL
BIG ISLAND PRO-AM SURFING TRIALS
Transfers $2,500 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 1); and credits to the Department of Liquor Control, Public
Programs account.
Reference: Comm. 366
Intr. by: Ms. Kimball
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to adopt Res. 205-23. Seconded by
Ms. Galimba.
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CHR. KIMBALL: Again, this is a CRF (Contingency Relief Fund) from my
district. I hope for my colleagues' support. Any further discussion? Seeing
none, all those in favor please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 205-23: The motion to adopt Res. 205-23 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
CHR. KIMBALL: Resolution 205-23 is adopted.
Res. 206-23: APPROVES THE NOMINATION OF MEMBERS TO THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES (NACo) BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE
WESTERN INTERSTATE REGION (WIR) BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Requests the Council's approval of the following slates of officers: NACo—
KipuKai Kuali`i, Kauai County; Tommy Waters, City and County of Honolulu;
and Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Hawaii County; and WIR—Shane Sinenci, Maui
County, and Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Hawaii County; for terms beginning on July 1,
2023.
Reference: Comm. 368
Intr. by: Ms. Kimball
Waived: GOEAC
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to adopt Res. 206-23. Seconded by
Ms. Galimba.
CHR. KIMBALL: Any discussion? This is just a procedural resolution for our
HSAC (Hawai`i State Association of Counties) membership. But I just wanted to
mahalo Council Member Kierkiewicz and Council Member Lee Loy for serving
on our behalf at the national level on these two boards. So thank you very much
for your service for us.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, could I just mention a couple things?
CHR. KIMBALL: Sure. Of course.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Since Council Member Lee Loy and I are just fresh back
from Texas, attending the National Association of Counties Annual Conference, I
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also happen to vice chair the Policy Steering Committee for Community,
Economic and Workforce Development. I had advanced a couple of policy
resolutions.
One was related to permanently reauthorizing the CDBG-DR (Community
Development Block Grant-Disaster Recovery) disaster recovery program because
during and following a disaster is not the time to be setting up the bureaucratic
channels to process paperwork and funding. And Hawaii County has great
experience in that, and we want to make sure that, going forward, those DR
(disaster recovery) allocations go straight to the County. And so that resolution
was adopted, and that's something that NACo (National Association of Counties)
is going to be advocating for in the halls of Congress.
In addition to that, I have put forward another resolution related to WIOA, the
Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act, asking for reauthorization and also
increased investment. We just have to do abetter job as a country, ensuring that
there are mechanisms and supports in place to help youthopportunity, youth,
veterans, disabled, any member of our community that is looking to upscale and
advance into the various emerging industries, to ensure that America stays on the
leading edge.
So I'm happy that those resolutions passed, and we were able to attend a variety
of workshops that are geared towards ensuring that our counties are resilient and
we are remaining with as much home rule power as possible. So just really
appreciate the opportunity to share Hawai`i's perspectives in those national
conversations and be able to shape policy at that level. Thank you. I yield.
CHR. KIMBALL: Thank you so much, Council Member Kierkiewicz. Council
Member Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. As Ms. Kierkiewicz mentioned, I think we're
still a little j etlagged from Texas. But that being said, in my area within the
Western Interstate Region, there definitely was a lot of conversation and
advancement around our farm bill that's being heard right now at the Federal
level. And again, thank you to you, Chair.
The listening session with the Department of Defense went incredibly well. They
really did listen to the concerns of members of the entire State, and also the REPI
(Readiness and Environmental Protection Integration) Program, which offers a lot
of funding opportunities for those within the Department of Defense to be good
neighbors, not only inside the fence but outside the fence.
And finally, I really want to take a minute. I don't know if any of my other
colleagues know, but Council Member Kierkiewicz was given, by NACo, an
achievement award for her work in the arts and cultural space. It's a huge
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recognition in which all the counties across all the states advance different
programs. And it was Ms. Kierkiewicz' program in Puna and the use of art for
healing that community. I would love for her to take a minute to share.
But I want to acknowledge no one from the State of Hawaii over all of our time
at NACo has ever accomplished this and received this recognition. And
Ms. Kierkiewicz is the youngest policymaker within NACo of its inception to
have received such a distinguished honor. Incredibly proud of her. And having
our Managing Director Lee Lord there to share in it was wonderful.
Ms. Kierkiewicz, please take a few minutes and share about your award.
CHR. KIMBALL: Please, Council Member Kierkiewicz. Congratulations, of
course.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you.
CHR. KIMBALL: If you'd just briefly share with us what the purpose of the
award was and the project.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Sure. So the Americans for the Arts is a national arts
organization that fights like hell to ensure that there's money that's going to
National Endowment for the Arts, National Endowment for the Humanities
because arts are so important in elevating culture and values. And so the award I
received was from AFTA (Americans for the Arts), and it was the Public
Leadership in the Arts Award for County Leadership. They also recognize
governors and mayors every year at their respective conferences.
So I had the opportunity to receive the award twice, first with my arts and culture
commission at this wonderful museum in Austin, Texas, and then also the next
day at the achievement awards luncheon with like 4,000 people; and was able to
kind of just give remarks and talk about how art has been used to help our
community recover from the volcanic eruptions and the pandemic in a way to heal
and foster dialogue and build bridges and break down barriers, and also celebrate
the diversity that exists in our community. And just using art as a way to create
spaces where people feel valued and a sense of belonging. So to be able to carry
those messages to a national audience was an incredibly humbling and privileged
experience.
So I'm just stoked to be able to note that the work that is happening in the middle
of the Pacific Ocean in the Puna region is being recognized and celebrated across
the country. So it was definitely an honor. And I'm so happy that I was able to
accept that on behalf of our community and dedicate it back to every single
person that has contributed to all of our projects and to transforming our
community. Thanks, Chair, for that latitude.
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CHR. KIMBALL: Of course. Thank you. Anyone else? All right, I'll just wrap
up. Again, thank you both for your service on the western region board as well as
the NACo board, as well as the council members on the other islands that also
serve in our NACo leadership positions. And again, congratulations, Council
Member Kierkiewicz. What an honor for our island and for your community.
With that, all those in favor of adopting Resolution 206-23, please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 206-23: The motion to adopt Res. 206-23 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball —6.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans, Kagiwada,
and Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder—3.
Excused: None.
CHR. KIMBALL: Resolution 206-23 is adopted.
BILLS FOR The Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business, Bills for
ORDINANCES Ordinances (First Reading).
(FIRST READING):
Bill 51: AMENDS CHAPTER 24, ARTICLE 10, DIVISION 1, OF THE HAWAII
COUNTY CODE 1983 (2016 EDITION, AS AMENDED), RELATING TO
SPEED LIMITS
Amends Section 24-256, Schedule 3 by adding Kalaniana`ole Street,
James Kealoha Park Access Road to Leleiwi Street to decrease the speed limit from
30 to 25 miles per hour, and removes the same from Section 24-256, Schedule 4.
Reference: Comm. 321
Intr. by: Ms. Lee Loy
Approve: PCIA-1
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to pass Bill 51 on first reading and
adopt Policy Committee on Infrastructure and Assets
Report No. 1. Seconded by Ms. Galimba.
CHR. KIMBALL: Council Member Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Just ask for my colleagues' support.
CHR. KIMBALL: Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor please
say "aye."
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Vote on Bill 51: The motion to pass Bill 51 on first reading and adopt Policy
(Approved) Committee on Infrastructure and Assets Report No. 1 was
carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kimball—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
CHR. KIMBALL: Bill 51 is adopted at first reading. At this time, I'd like to
have us go to Bill 44. But before we do that, please let the record reflect I'll be
yielding the chair to Vice Chair Inaba.
Relinquish Chair: At this time, Chair Kimball relinquished the chair to Acting
Chair Inaba.
Change Order As directed by the Acting Chair and with no objection from the Council
of Business: Members, the following item was taken out of order:
Bill 44: AMENDS CHAPTER 19, ARTICLES 1 AND 7, OF THE HAWAII COUNTY
(Draft 3) CODE 1983 (2016 EDITION, AS AMENDED), RELATING TO COMMUNITY
FOOD SUSTAINABILITY USE ASSESSMENTS AND NONDEDICATED
AGRICULTURE USE ASSESSMENTS
Seeks to implement recommendations of the Real Property Tax Review Working
Group and Agricultural Committee's September 2019 Final Report and the
2021 Annual Report of the Real Property Tax Board of Review by: establishing a
sunset date for the definition of"Nondedicated agricultural use assessment"; adding
a new definition for"Community food sustainability use"; establishing a sunset date
for Section 19-57 of the Hawaii County Code; and establishing a new section titled
"Community food sustainability use assessment".
Reference: Comm. 218.6
Intr. by: Ms. Kimball and Ms. Galimba
Postponed: May 17, 2023
First Reading: June 21, 2023
Postponed: July 6, 2023
(Note: There is a motion by Ms. Kimball, seconded by Ms. Galimba, to pass
Bill 44, Draft 2, as amended, on second and final reading.)
ACTING CHR. INABA: Chair Kimball.
MS. KIMBALL: Thank you, Vice Chair Inaba. First of all, I really want to thank
our LRB (Legislative Research Branch) and our staff in Council Services for
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helping basically break this bill into two other bills, which perhaps one would
argue I should have done in the first place. So Bill 44 includes both the sunset of
the nondedicated ag program as well as the creation of the community food
sustainability program.
Given that we have passed Bill 43, which creates the short-term dedicated
program, and there was still some concern about whether or not the community
food sustainability program made sense, what I've done is broken apart the sunset
of the nondedicated program and the creation of the community food
sustainability program into two new bills. So (Bill) 57 is the sunset of the
nondedicated ag program; (Bill) 58 is just the creation of that community food
sustainability program.
And so what this allows us to do is actually just deliberate those and vote on those
independently. And so what I would like to do at this time, given that our rules
would prevent us from—if we voted Bill 44 down, then we would not be able to
take up Bill 48, I'm sorry, (Bills) 57 and 58 because the content is similar, or one
could argue that they are. That would be a decision for the body to make. I'm
going to make the proposal to postpone Bill 44, and in this case I'm going to do it
to the call of the Chair. And then, with that, we can lay this aside and take the
two sections up independently.
Vote on Motion to Ms. Kimball moved to postpone Bill 44, Draft 3, to the call
Postpone: of the Chair. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy and carried by the
(Approved) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Acting Chair Inaba—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Bill 57, please, Mr. Clerk.
Return to Order The Acting Chair directed the Council to return to the order of business.
of Business:
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Bill 57: AMENDS CHAPTER 19, ARTICLES 1 AND 7, OF THE HAWAII COUNTY
CODE 1983 (2016 EDITION, AS AMENDED), RELATING TO
NONDEDICATED AGRICULTURAL USE ASSESSMENTS
Seeks to implement recommendations of the Real Property Tax Review Working
Group and Agricultural Committee's September 2019 Final Report and the
2021 Annual Report of the Real Property Tax Board of Review by establishing a
sunset date for the definition of"Nondedicated agricultural use assessment" and for
Section 19-57 of the Hawaii County Code.
Reference: Comm. 369
Intr. by: Ms. Kimball and Ms. Galimba
Waived: FC
Motion to Approve: Ms. Kimball moved to pass Bill 57 on first reading.
Seconded by Ms. Galimba.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Ms. Kimball.
MS. KIMBALL: Thank you. Again, this is the identical content to what was in
Bill 44 with respect to the sunset of the nondedicated ag program. It's just been
decoupled from the community food sustainability program. I want to mahalo
Keita Jo and Lisa Miura for all of their help in developing this legislation,putting
together all the fabulous slides for you folks, the different analyses about how this
would impact taxes for individual property owners. It was a heavy lift, and that
was a lot of data-crunching. So really want to thank you for that, and want to, of
course, mahalo Council Member Galimba for her help in putting the final touches
on this for this term.
So, with that, I'm happy to take any additional questions. But my
recommendation is, since we have created the short-term dedicated ag program,
which was in response to the Real Property Tax Working Group and Ag Group
Report from 2019, that we proceed with the sunset of the nondedicated ag
program. And then we can go ahead and talk further about the community food
sustainability program. Thank you. I yield.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Thank you. Any further discussion?
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair?
ACTING CHR. INABA: Council Member Kierkiewicz.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. I just wanted to mahalo nui Council Members
Kimball and Galimba for putting this forward. I think one of the suggestions a
number of us had was to bifurcate community food sustainability and
nondedicated ag use from Bill 44, and you've done that. And so I appreciate the
work that's gone into putting this bill forward, and all of the work happening
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behind the scenes at RPT (Real Property Tax)to start standing up these new
programs. So I will be supporting this measure as it's written today. Thank you.
I yield.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Any further discussion? All those in favor of passing
Bill 57 at first reading, please say "aye."
Vote on Bill 57: The motion to pass Bill 57 on first reading was carried by
(Approved) the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Acting Chair Inaba—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
Bill 58: AMENDS CHAPTER 19, ARTICLES 1 AND 7, OF THE HAWAII COUNTY
CODE 1983 (2016 EDITION, AS AMENDED), RELATING TO COMMUNITY
FOOD SUSTAINABILITY USE ASSESSMENTS
Seeks to implement recommendations of the Real Property Tax Review Working
Group and Agricultural Committee's September 2019 Final Report and the
2021 Annual Report of the Real Property Tax Board of Review by adding a new
definition for "Community food sustainability use" and establishing a new section
titled "Community food sustainability use assessment."
Reference: Comm. 370
Intr. by: Ms. Kimball and Ms. Galimba
Waived: FC
Motion to Approve: Ms. Kimball moved to pass Bill 58 on first reading.
Seconded by Ms. Galimba.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Ms. Kimball.
MS. KIMBALL: Thank you. So the proposal for this program came out of the
lengthy conversations that we had with RPT, that by sunsetting the nondedicated
ag program, even with the creation of the short-term dedicated program, there
may be folks that were contributing to our food systems that would be left out.
And so this was a mechanism that we played with that we hoped would address
that issue. We want to continue to incentivize food production even if it's not at
the commercial scale.
Some of the things that differentiate this program from the nondedicated ag
program is that a farm plan or some sort of documentation is still required. That
is currently not required for nondedicated ag. It only pertains to the area that is
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being used to produce the food. And so one of the things that came up as a
discussion point last time is, if I had three avocado trees and I was selling those
avocados, would I get this break? Yes, you would but you would only get that
break for the area in which those avocado trees were growing. It's not going to
apply to the whole property.
It's also not the same scale of a break. So it's 30 percent of the market value.
And the reason that that's really important to bring up is that in areas where
property values are lower, this is going to be a bigger benefit. And then in other
areas where property values are higher, that benefit is less significant. And so it's
more of a progressive approach towards this.
Again, I know that there may be some concerns that this is just creating another
opportunity for loopholes. And I tend to hope that I know that there are people
that are genuinely, like, they make it their business to try to skirt the law and
figure out the loopholes and things like that. But then there are also people out
there that are genuinely contributing to the food systems in our community, and
we want to support and incentivize that. That's the impetus behind this bill. So I
hope you consider it.
And I again want to mahalo the folks at Real Property Tax for all the work that
went into this, and my colleague Council Member Galimba. Happy to answer any
questions. Thank you, I yield.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Thank you. Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Chair. Ms. Kimball, I'll be
supporting this today for a couple reasons. One being, in Puna and across the
island, there's a number of people starting to do ag, and in different forms; and
maybe not a full-blown farm, but working towards that. And I know a few of
them, they need the support. If we're going to push towards getting less reliant on
Mainland shipments coming in, we have to support ag. Our Senator Richards
used to say the same thing. If there's a big cry for this across the State
sustainability, resiliency this bill plays into that well.
And I like that, under the community food sustainability use definition, the
pasture, which was in the previous definition, was removed. Pasture and slow
rotation forestry. There were some comments by a testifier, saying this is just
another loophole that could be abused. I completely understand that statement,
but I also prefer to nurture small businesses that are starting, versus
disincentivizing that small ag sector. So, with that said, I will be supporting this.
I like the take effect date as well. Thank you.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Thank you. Ms. Galimba.
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MS. GALIMBA: Thank you. I also wanted to thank RPT for being willing to do
this because I know it's going to be a lot of work, having to ferret out what
actually is being used for the agricultural production. So a lot of on-the-ground
work. So just thank you so much for being willing to give this a try. I'm going to
be supporting this, obviously, but I just wanted to highlight that progressive
element that Chair Kimball brought up. But I think this is something that
incentivizes food production, but it also helps that part of our citizens that have
land to help with the affordability, which is such a crisis right now. So I think
that is another really important piece of this. So thanks and I yield.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Mahalo, Ms. Galimba. Any discussion further on this
bill?
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Is Real Property Tax there, Chair?
ACTING CHR. INABA: Yes. Assistant Administrator Keita Jo is here and will
be making his way up to the front.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you.
(Note: At this time, Assistant Real Property Tax Administrator Keita Jo,
Finance Department, came forward to address the members of the
Council.)
ACTING CHR. INABA: He's here now. You can proceed with your question.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you very much, Chair. Aloha, Keita. Thank you
for joining us.
MR. JO: Hello.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Hi. So we've asked you to do quite a bit of shifts very
recently with the passage of a number of bills related to tax assessments. Should
this continue to move forward, I want assurances that this is something you folks
can handle and can take on, and that you have clear direction on how to
administer this program. I'm seeing testimony come in around let's pump the
brakes on this a little bit; let's see how we're able to transition more folks into the
short-term ag category. So just would really appreciate your honest thoughts and
sentiments about should we be advancing this measure; what is the impact to your
office in terms of implementation.
MR. JO: Thank you. Keita Jo, Assistant Administrator for Real Property Tax. I
think the biggest question is how many people are going to be transitioning into
these various programs, because we have over 8,000 properties in our
nondedicated ag use program. Without knowing what that picture looks like, we
don't know whether it's going to be a heavy lift or otherwise. I think a lot of the
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clarity the Code provides a good basis for us to move forward. The additional
parity will come through establishing those rules and regulations in the next few
months to a year. And then that will give us a pretty good idea in terms of
moving forward.
When we start seeing the applications in 2024 for this new program, we'll
definitely get a good sense of whether we need to bring on some additional
resources to help support this transition.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. So I'm hearing we can advance this, but it's really a
wait-and-see game at this point.
MR. JO: Correct.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. I just want to make sure that you folks are feeling
supported, but also members of the public that are contributing to our food
systems do get the tax breaks and incentives. Because, they are playing a
valuable role in ensuring that we have food to sustain ourselves and our neighbors
in our communities. Thanks, Keita. Appreciate it. Chair, I yield.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Mahalo, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Bringing it back here to
Kona. Okay. I just had one question. When we look at Section (d)with regards
to the deferred or rollback tax, Keita Jo, foroh, is that Subsection 1(B)? If a
property is converted to a County zoned district other than ag, residential and ag,
family ag, intensive ag, anything ag basically, they will be subject to a deferred or
rollback tax. Can you explain a little bit about that just so we're clear?
MR. JO: If the landowner petitions for a change in zoning that would preclude it
from receiving this benefit, then the rollback tax would be implemented. It would
be subject to rollback tax. If there's action by the County or the Planning
Department to change the zoning, the taxpayer would not be penalized for that
change. So the rollback tax would not be assessed in that situation. They would
be precluded from applying for the program in the future and getting that benefit
in the future because of the zoning change, but we wouldn't penalize them for
that.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Could you give us an example? So if someone has
you can just make up numbers. But give us an example of what would happen if
somebody was a part of this program and then came to the County to rezone and
do something that's not ag.
MR. JO: Yeah, so, for example, if there was a, let's say, a ten-acre parcel in
Pepe`ekeo; the market value, let's say, is 500,000. That property, if it meets the
criteria for the community food sustainability, would get the food sustainability
benefit and, in all likelihood, would probably be subject to a tax of, if I threw out
a number, $1,800 a year.
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If, on the second year of this particular program, their participation in this
program, if they petition the Planning Department to change the zoning to, let's
say, residential zoning, RS-10, they would be subject to the rollback tax. And we
would go back and assess the difference between what was actually paid because
they're receiving a benefit, and what should have been paid at that 500,000
market value. The difference in the taxes would be assessed as a rollback tax as
well as a 10 percent penalty. We would go back as far as the current plus two
years, so as far as three years back, on that rollback. So that's the implication of
somebody going to the Planning Department and actively petitioning that change
in zoning.
And I think the initial reason why this language was placed in the Code, and it
comes from the nondedicated program, the existing program, was to prevent land
banking, utilizing agricultural use as a means to landbank And you'll see that
same thought process on the other rollback tax implications if it's subdivided into
a parcel less than five acres. Those are those components that kind of speak to the
land banking protection.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Perfect. Thank you so much for covering that for us
and for the public. That's all the questions I have. With that, there's a motion on
the floor. Or any further comment by the makers? No? Okay, there's a motion
on the floor to approve Bill 58 at first reading. All those in favor,please say
Ic aye.
Vote on Bill 58: The motion to pass Bill 58 on first reading was carried by
(Approved) the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Acting Chair Inaba—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Thank you, Mr. Jo, for being here today. I believe that
brings us to the end of our agenda.
ORDER OF The Acting Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
THE DAY Order of the Day (Second or Final Reading).
(SECOND OR
FINAL READING): (Note: Items in this category were taken up previously, out of order.)
REPORTS: The Acting Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
Reports.
(Note: Items in this category were taken up previously, out of order.)
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OTHER The Acting Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
BUSINESS: Other Business.
(There were none.)
ANNOUNCE- The Acting Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
MENTS: Announcements.
(There were none.)
ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 10:40 a.m., Ms. Lee Loy moved to adjourn the
MENT: meeting. Seconded by Ms. Galimba and carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Galimba,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball,
Lee Loy, Villegas, and Acting Chair Inaba—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Evans and Kagiwada—2.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. INABA: Meeting is adjourned at 10:40 a.m. Mahalo.
SEP 0 6 2023
Council Approval:
COUNTY CLERK
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