HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN CRCOC 2023/09/19 (2022-2024)Committee on Communications,
Reports, and Council Oversight
1411 Session
West Hawaii Civic Center
74-5044 Ane Keohokalole Highway, Building A
Kailua-Kona, Hawaii
September 19, 2023
CALL TO The regular meeting of the Committee on Communications, Reports, and
ORDER: Council Oversight was called to order at 1:30 p.m., in the Council Chambers,
Kailua-Kona, by Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Chair.
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Present: Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Chair
Ms. Cindy Evans, Member
Ms. Michelle M. Galimba, Member
Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Member
Mr. Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Member
Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member
Ms. Heather L. Kimball, Member
Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member
Absent and Excused: Ms. Jenn Kagiwada, Vice Chair
STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items.
PUBLIC ON
AGENDA ITEMS: The Chair called on Toby Hazel, who registered to speak in comment
regarding Comm. 322. 1, and came forward when called.
COMMUNI- The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
CATIONS: Communications.
Comm. 322.1: QUARTERLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING REPORT: APRIL 1, 2023 —
JUNE 30, 2023
From Housing Administrator Susan K. Kunz, dated August 28, 2023, transmitting
the above report pursuant to Section 11-19 of the Hawaii County Code.
Motion to Close File: Ms. Kimball moved to close file on Comm. 322.1.
Seconded by Mr. Inaba.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Go ahead and move forth, Ms. Kunz, would you like to come
join us? Fantastic, just press the button and state your name for the record.
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(Note: At this time, Housing Administrator Susan Kunz came forward to
address the members of the Committee.)
MS. KUNZ: Good afternoon, I'm Susan Kunz, I'm the Housing Administrator
for the Office of Housing. I'm here today to present the quarterly report that was
outlined in Ordinance 23-20, it's a quarterly report which provides you
information on several things. So in Exhibit 1 of the report that I submitted, I
provided you with a list of developers who have possession of excess housing
credits. You will notice that there are no changes for this period. The second
item is to provide you with a summary of current housing and affordable housing
inventory which you will see on Exhibit 2. We've made some revisions to that
section, but it's to reflect changes in the property management company. I
believe that was it. Just to reflect the changes in the property management
companies.
Also in this report, we are to provide you within the County of significant actions,
which are listed. So you will see that for this period we only have to report that
there were two out of three finished lots that were sold during this period. And
this was to meet an affordable housing requirement, no credits were involved.
They did produce the three finished lots, but were only able to sell two so far.
And I can answer any questions that you might have.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you, Ms. Kunz. Opening it up to any questions or
comments from my colleagues. Yes. Ms. Galimba.
MS. GALIMBA: Sorry, I missed that number, so there were two lots sold out of
how many?
MS. KUNZ: Three.
MS. GALIlVIBA: Three, okay.
MS. KUNZ: There was an affordable housing agreement, and three finished and
affordable lots were to be produced and sold. So only two of them have been sold
to date, and were following up with them to make sure that the third one—
MS. GALIMBA: This is part of a larger development, which some of them are
market and some are affordable?
MS. KUNZ: No. I believe that this particular project was only the three lots and
that was it.
MS. GALIMBA: Okay, thanks. For the units available, were there any major
changes with the overall inventory. Were there any big changes overall?
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MS. KUNZ: No, not during this period.
MS. GALIMBA: Okay, thanks, I yield.
MS. KUNZ: You know, I would state though, that we are seeing a lot of
progress. So, I'm hoping maybe in the next reporting period I might be able to
report the increases in the affordable housing units that are in the inventory.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you, Council Member Galimba. Anyone else? Yes,
Council Member Kierkiewicz.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Susan, for the report. On
Exhibit 2, looking at the list of facilities; Senior Housing Rental, and I'm sorry to
bring this up. Hale Aloha O Puna in Kea`au, it was a topic of much controversy
online in relations to the Governor's Beyond Barriers (Build Beyond Barriers
Working Group) Emergency Proclamation, sort of Housing Committee. It was on
a recent agenda for discussion, and it was characterized as being repurposed to
support housing for those that were impacted by the devasting Maui wildfires. So
I'm just wondering if you could provide a little bit of clarification around that and
the intention. My understanding is there might be some folks that are feeling very
traumatized by the events, and they want to transition elsewhere, but just trying to
understand what our county's involvement is in providing that sort of housing to
folks that have been displaced, but also recognizing that we have tremendous
housing needs and issues here.
I'm wanting to make sure that, again, I empathize with the issues. I still have
folks from the eruption that are still trying to get home and find housing. So, I
just want to make sure that we're prioritizing our challenges, and giving where we
can, but making sure first and foremost that we are taking care of our Hawaii
County residents.
MS. KUNZ: Yes. Thank you for bringing that up and for giving me the
opportunity to address that, because I one hundred percent agree with you. So let
me address Hale Aloha O Puna. That particular project is a project that's over 30
years old, it is owned and managed by the Hawaii Public Housing Authority, so
this is a State project. I have been in close contact with the organization to follow
the progress of these units. I very much support and want to see these units get
back online. It was a project that was on the agenda for the housing emergency
proclamation because there were delays in getting the permits for this particular
project. And it's been in the pipeline for quite a few years. And if you can
imagine, it's transitioned from a project that plans were developed under the 2006
Building Code and is now being processed under the 2018. So there's a need to
make sure that the plans are meeting the requirements of the new code, which it
has.
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You know, there was an unfortunate situation where, I know too much about this
project. The previous architect had passed and so that's what caused this delay.
So it's ready to move forward, I want to see these units on the market like we all
do. And so, the intention of the State was to utilize the proclamation to get the
permits. After working closely with the County and Public Works Department,
there was an understanding to be able to move the project off of the cancelled list
and to reinstate the project. So, in fact, the project was actually pulled off of the
agenda. There was controversy because it was referenced to that, this particular
project could be prioritized for people who are affected by the Maui fire.
You know, this is the State who lost two major projects in the Lahaina area, who
had actually lost two families in the fire, and have about four families right now
who are showing interest to move to the Big Island because they have family here
that can support them. So I think the State's intention was to—because this was
the first project coming down the pipeline, they wanted to be able to offer this as
an option. It's not to say that they're prioritizing this project only for those
displaced by the fire. For me there's a big difference. And so like I said, there
looks like there's about four families who are showing some interest, who have
family here, that may utilize some of those units. Did I answer your question?
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: You provided a lot of really great detail, and I appreciate
the Chair in providing us this latitude. You know, I know that these updates
happen quarterly. And this is an asset that we have had on the books for quite
some time for renovation. You mentioned the 2006 Building Code, I mean when
were the permits filed? It's 2023.
MS. KUNZ: I believe in 2016.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay.
MS. KUNZ: Prior to the 2018 Code getting passed, so it was submitted when the
2006 Building Code was—
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: And so no action on the building side, it seems?
MS. KUNZ: There wasn't. I think there was a lot of conversation leading up to
the meeting, which encouraged the executive director to be able to remove it from
that. So I believe there's ongoing conversations, I hope that it's moving forward
in the right direction.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay, I'll leave that there. Thank you very much, Susan,
really appreciate the update. Chair, I yield.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you so much, Council Member Kierkiewicz. Council
Member Kimball.
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MS. KIMBALL: Thank you, Administrator Kunz. I just had a quick question in
terms of the transition in emergency housing, which hasn't changed from the last
report. Is there movement to create more units of that nature in the near future
with the Council funding?
MS. KUNZ: Yes, there actually is. I believe under the Homeless Emergency
Proclamation, there have been discussions with some local non -profits and the
State to utilize that proclamation to move some projects. So I'm aware of Sacred
Hearts in the Pahoa area, that's moving forward under the proclamation.
Salvation Army has also submitted an application for units in East Hawaii, in
Hilo. Oh, my goodness there's one more, I'm going to think about it in a few
minutes. There is one more project that's in the pipeline as well.
MS. KIMBALL: Great. Thank you, Administrator. I yield, Chair.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you, Council Member Kimball. Anyone else? Okay.
MR. INABA: Thank you. Good afternoon, Administrator. I wanted to clarify.
So, for those two finished lots they were constructed and sold. They're listed here
under significant actions taken under the authority of Chapter 11. So was that in
satisfaction of a requirement? I'm just trying to understand what the two finished
lots, how they came to be.
MS. KUNZ: So, what I do know about this is this was an agreement that was
done back in the 1990's, so it was an old one. There was a 10 percent obligation
at that time, not 20 percent. So these units were part of a housing obligation
where they rezoned a subdivision in Kona, I believe it was in the Palisades area.
So, the requirement was to finish and produce three finished lots for sale as
affordable. So it is my understanding that the third lot is in escrow, so they're
moving forward, yeah.
MR. INABA: Okay, so it was part of a requirement for a subdivision.
MS. KUNZ: Yes.
MR. INABA: Thank you very much. Appreciate it and thank you for the
quarterly report, really appreciate it. Chair, I yield.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Fantastic. Council Member Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Good afternoon, Susan. I just was looking at Exhibit 2, and we
can have this conversation offline. But these are special needs housing, and I'm
just really curious because I have seen a lot of people come through for all kinds
of housing; housing AMI's (Area Midian Income). I have in my entire time here
not seen a single person come through for special needs housing, which I'm
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guessing fits our families with kids with special needs. How old is this unit
count?
MS. KUNZ: Well the unit count is current. Yeah, but the housing projects may
be older. And I do want to share that special needs could also include elderly
housing, there's a lot of requirements for elderly housing also include persons
with disabilities. Hold on, let me take a look at this list real quick.
MS. LEE LOY: Maybe I should refrain from that.
MS. KUNZ: Yeah, I'm sorry.
MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, because we have those units and I was just curious how
long we've been at that number, I think.
MS. KUNZ: Yeah, I'll be honest these are older projects, and we've been at these
numbers for quite some time. And I am looking at the list of these facilities, and
these are very specific to persons with disabilities.
MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, maybe we can't take it offline. I think that's one more
area where we can start to encourage housing, right. We're always—people in
front of us trying to meet 80 AMI, 30 AMI, 120 AMI, 140 AMI, but this is one
area that I think we could really kick the door wide open in. I think you and I
both have some personal experiences around this, and this would be a really nice
call for a request for interest to see how we could expand this area of housing.
Thanks.
MS. KUNZ: Thank you.
MS. LEE LOY: I yield.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you, Council Member Lee Loy. Alright, so I'll just
wrap this up with a couple of questions. I kind of nerded out on the numbers a
little bit, and just looked back at the report that was provided for us a few months
ago. So I just had a couple of questions, specifically in Exhibit 2, Rental
Housing. I noticed that the number of facilities went down by one, which equated
to 24 units. And it seems that this is the Hilo Maile Terrace, that is no longer on
the list for rental housing.
MS. KUNZ: Right. So this particular project fulfilled their affordability period.
So at that time the owners can opt to either, I mean they're open to decide how
they're going to continue to market their units. I do have non -profits in contact
with us after their affordability period and tell me that they're going to continue to
provide affordable housing. Then, I have some who are opting to go on the
market, so I think this may be the case here. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but
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because I haven't gotten word that they're going to remain on the list I'm
assuming that.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Okay, thank you. Do you know what the affordability period
had been?
MS. KUNZ: These are rentals, so I would assume it was 20 years, based on
Chapter 11.
CHR. VII.LEGAS: Okay. Just good for us to keep in mind as we look at more
developments coming on. Those 20 years goes by really fast, and now we've
potentially got 24 families of people that no longer have access to something. We
had a meeting last night with a project, and they are committing to 61 years which
feels more like a lifetime. I mean, we're all living much longer than that, but it
feels like a lifetime. Thank you for explaining what happened with that, and why
those units are no longer reflected on that spreadsheet. I also just noticed under
the Emergency Shelter and Transitional Housing; Exhibit 3, we decreased shelters
by one, and that priority report we had 16, and that decreased our total emergency
shelter beds by 85. We had a total of 274 before, and now we're down to 189.
In comparing the two spreadsheets it looks like we lost 96 beds, units at Ulu Wini,
we gained seven at Wilder, and gained five at Kuleana. So I was just wondering
what the transition was at Ulu Wini, because once again, that's a lot of beds to
lose.
MS. KUNZ: Yeah, so we didn't lose all of those units, those units are still being
rented as affordable. But there were 24 or 23 units at Ulu Wini that were marked
as transitional units. We've converted them from transitional to—they're
affordable, so it's permanent affordable housing.
CHR. VILLEGAS: But it didn't show up, it didn't transfer like nothing in these
other reports had a correlating increase in those numbers.
MS. KUNZ: So the other one would be Ka Lamaku, it's still on the list
although—what was the difference you were showing?
CHR. VILLEGAS: The difference I'm showing in beds is 85 beds. The
inventory decreased by a total of 85 beds, which is a lot for a three-month
timeframe.
MS. KUNZ: You know what, I think I need to get back to you, because that
number doesn't sound correct. I can't account for it in my mind.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Okay. If you could do that, that would be great. I know
there was some transition to how Ulu Wini was being managed, and how the beds
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were being allocated. And there was a lot of concern, because right now we have
a crisis in our public parks with those. And we consistently get word that well,
are no beds, and then to see transitional housing beds. As much as we want
longer-term rentals, I don't know, there's got to be a place where people go to get
directly off the streets. So, if you could follow up with me on that. And I'm
happy to share just my little numbers so you can look at it.
MS. KUNZ: Perfect. Yeah, the numbers are not adding up to me, so I'm
wondering if maybe there was an incorrect reporting on some of the numbers.
But we didn't lose that many beds for sure, I would know about it.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Alright. Well, that would be wonderful to hear.
MS. KUNZ: You know, the other thing I wanted to add, when we were talking
about new units coming down the pipeline. So I didn't mention Ka Lamaku,
which is moving along very nicely. So we will see—
CHR. VILLEGAS: I'm sorry, where is Ka Lamaku?
MS. KUNZ: Oh, not Ka Lamaku. I'm sorry, Kukuiola.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Kukuiola, got it.
MS. KUNZ: Sorry, Kukuiola. So that project is moving along very nicely.
We're going to see 60 emergency shelter beds there and then for the 48 permanent
units behind it. But I'm really trying to focus on those initial emergency shelter
beds that are coming up. And we have another project in Hilo, which we just did
a public meeting for last week Thursday. And that is the development of 34
Rainbow Drive, the old Memorial Hospital. So, we do have housing units that we
are planning to do there as well. So, we actually got quite a few units coming
down the pipeline to serve that population.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Fantastic, thank you. And then where are we at with the
units; they're small, they're supposed to be temporary units but at the old airport
at Maka`eo the 18 units that were there.
MS. KUNZ: That's Ka Lamaku.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Ka Lamaku.
MS KUNZ: Yeah. So when Hope Services notified us that they could no longer
manage the property, we had gone out and done outreach to the community,
worked with some of the non -profits. We had a pretty good indication that we
would get some applications, so we did an RFP (Request for Proposal). But
unfortunately, we did not receive any applications for the management of that
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property. So we continue to work with a couple of non -profits now that I'm
hopeful will step-up to the plate. But if I cannot get anyone out there to manage
the properties, I can't. Yeah, so we continue to work on that.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Okay, so then just a quick question. I see it's still listed here
as beds and units, but it's not an operation.
MS. KUNZ: Yeah. So my staff had noted from me that during this period, they
had to report them as being there, but currently they are not. So remember this is
a reported period through June.
CHR. VILLEGAS: June, okay. And then that's when the contract ends.
MS. KUNZ: Yeah.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Okay, great. Thank you for helping me clarify that, and I
was excited to meet with one of those non -profits last week as well. And I'm
hopeful that there's some opportunity for some support from those navigating
These. Unfortunately, some of our issues and other areas in our state. So thank
you, Director Kunz, for your patience, and walking through these numbers with
me. Let me know what you find out, and we'll get these all connected.
MS. KUNZ: Will do, thank you.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Alright, thank you so much. And with that, I'll go ahead and
take a vote to close file on Communication 322.1. All those in favor? Any
opposed?
Vote on Comm. 322.1: The motion to close file on Comm. 322.1 was carried
Filed by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i—Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball,
Lee Loy, and Chair Villegas — 8.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Member Kagiwada — 1.
Excused: None.
Comm. 424: REQUESTS A PRESENTATION BY CHRISTIAN P. GIARDINA, RESEARCH
ECOLOGIST OF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
FOREST SERVICE, REGARDING THEIR OPERATIONAL SCALE
PLANNING FOR RIDGE -TO -REEF STEWARDSHIP
From Council Member Heather L. Kimball, dated August 31, 2023.
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Motion to Approve: Ms. Kimball moved to close file on Comm. 424. Seconded
by Ms. Galimba.
(Note: Comm. 424. 1, from Council Member Heather Kimball dated
September 14, 2023, transmitting a presentation to Comm. 424, was circulated.)
CHR. VILLEGAS: Alright and with that I'll go ahead and turn it over to Council
Member Kimball to share a little bit more about this communication.
MS. KIMBALL: Yeah, thank you, Chair. So it's my great pleasure to introduce
paddling friend, just general friend, mentor, colleague, Christian Giardina from
U.S. Forest Service. And then actually a former student of mine, Ph. D. candidate
Gina McGuire, to present today on using decisions support tools for better rich
treat management. And I think if you guys recall our conversation with Greg
Asner and some of the data layers that he was putting together, he mentioned that
this project and this team was in the works. And I wanted to make sure, you folks
had an opportunity to learn about the work that they're doing and have the
opportunity to ask some questions. So with that Christian take it away.
(Note: At this time, Research Ecologist Christian P. Giardina and
Gina McGuire Ph. D. came forward to address the members of the
Committee.)
MR. GIARDINA: First mahalo for having us here. And it's great to have this
opportunity to share our research over the last two years. I'm actually going to
pass it to Gina, who's going to take us through the slides, and then we'll have
some time at the end if you have any questions. But really again, appreciate you
having us here.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Please introduce yourself for the record.
MS. MCGUIRE: Thank you all so much for having us here today, it's really a
pleasure. So my name is Gina McGuire, I was born and raised in the Kona
district. I'm currently in a post -doctoral position with the Akaka Foundation, just
completed my Ph. D. in the Geography Department.
(Note: At this time, Gina McGuire Ph.D. provided a PowerPoint
presentation to the members of the Committee. For viewing of the
presentation, see the DVD copy of the proceedings on file in the Clerk's
Office, or online at http:Hhawaiicounty.granicus.coin. A copy of the
presentation is made part of the record, see Comm. 424. 1.)
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CHR. VELLEGAS: Thank you, so much. Council Member Kimball
MS. KIMBALL: Yeah. Thank you so much Gina, for that excellent presentation.
And I'm sure my colleagues have a lot of questions for you folks, so I'll pass it on
to them. I think you could all see the potential power of a tool like this, and you
know, they're looking for guidance from us in terms of how were thinking about
decisions up here on the dais and how this tool, you know, for an island -wide
scale might be something we'd utilize in our decision-making processes as were
evaluating projects here on the dais. Anyway, I'll yield now and open it up to
everyone else. Thank you.
CHR. VMLEGAS: Thank you. Council Member Inaba.
MR. INABA: Thank you, Council Member Kimball, for bringing your friends. I
would just say I think this is such useful information, it's not my area of expertise
and I don't understand some of the maps myself. I'll have to ask her after, but
thinking about how this can inform not just decision making but our existing code
and policies regarding grading; grubbing; our wastewater; and what our policies
are now and how we could improve it so it's not necessarily everyday decision
making, but standing policy. And I think as you folks, you know, get further in
your research and hoping that what you folks find is going be able to translate
beyond our island. Because the different things that you take into account, you
know, whether you can incorporate cultural significant locations into these
models that is incredible and just valuable for all of our people's needs, So thank
you so much for kind of giving us the quick insight as to where we are today, it
will be good to definitely see how we can use this to help our island from a policy
standpoint. Thank you.
MS. MCGUIRE: Thank you. I also wanted to point out to you guys, like how
were working with Miloli`i as a pilot city. But if there's any way within your
communities at like Puako and Honoka`a really has a driving question that I think
would really be open to responding to that and prioritizing communities that want
to engage. But thank you so much for your feedback.
CHR. VELLEGAS: Fantastic. Council Member Galimba.
MS. GALIMBA: Thank you also for the presentation, very interesting. Is it going
to be like a web -based tool usually?
MR. GIARDINA: Yeah, so were intent on developing the technology for the tool
upfront. Then in the third year of the project, we're on the second year of the
project now, we would develop an inner face that would allow users to access the
technology in a really user-friendly way. So we have a current proto type that
actually Heather helped develop; it's a user interface that provides an opportunity
to play with how prioritization can affect the priority maps that you create. So if
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you emphasize cost or you emphasize equal logical value, you emphasize the
production of fresh water; it will shift how the tool identifies key areas to achieve
that outcome.
So yeah, we're hoping to have an inner face, we're also hoping to—which we
didn't do with the prototype, but we're hoping to hire an extension technology
transfer position. We already have funding in place for about an 18 -month
period, after the tool is released to work with potential users. That's one of the
translation pieces that is sometimes left behind, that you produce a tool and it's
not easily accessible. But we will have a full-time person for 18 months to help
with that translation.
MS. GALIMBA: Thanks. Yeah, it's super interesting. So will that be like do
you have an idea where you would house that, yet?
MR. GIARDINA: We don't know exactly where the website that will be created
in year three is going live, but we will definitely make sure that it's a functioning
and user-friendly inner face. The person who will hire that person will probably
be based in Hilo. And I should also mention that Gina has accepted an extended
post op with the forest service, and part of her position will also be to help over
four years with some of this extension knowledge translation need. Right, is that
fair?
MS. GALIMBA: Oh, that's cool, you'll have to come back again and show us
how it works when you get it up in year three.
MR. GIARDINA: Absolutely.
MS. GALIMBA: Thanks, yeah. I was just thinking, sort of doing a potential
PONC (Public Access, Open Space, and Natural Resources Preservation
Committee) property in South Kona and something like this I think might be
helpful for us and also perhaps for the PONC Commission to provide some
scientific bases for their selection process. That's something I think would be a
very useful tool for this. Yeah, thank you.
MR. GIARDINA: That's exactly the kind of decision of support that we'd like to
provide; how to prioritize purchasing land, for example, for some kind of
conservation set aside, that also reduces the development pressure on the flux of
contaminants into the near shore. So yeah, that's an awesome example.
MS. GALEVIBA: Thanks. Congratulations on surviving your Ph.D. And I yield.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you, Council Member Galimba. Anyone else?
Alright Council Member Evans.
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MS. EVANS: Thank you. Wow, it's so impressive to be now, today in the year
2023 that we have technology, artificial intelligence, and ability to take all these
modeling sets, and the ability for you to pull them all together so that we can
collectively see the different sets of information. I mean I'm so impressed. The
water shed management has been around for 50 years but has really lacked the
ability to have the different data sets, the different experts, the different specialties
and then pull it all together. So I think pulling it all together is like, that's what
we need to do right now, and I think it's a game changer. The other thing I
wanted to comment on is I think you're bringing a lot of money in jobs to this
island. So to me that's a really important part of diversifying economy, is to have
higher education and have all these professionals on our island doing things. So
my bigger question is how are you funding all this? Is this through grant writing,
is it supported by the different agencies? I see your partners, are your partners
bringing money to our Island and jobs?
MR. GIARDINA: So the core of the funding has come from the USDA (United
States Department of Agriculture) Forest Service. And it was the result of a fairly
extensive conversation between the Forest Service and different partners that we
have. And the Division of Forest and Wildlife under Hawaii DLNR (Department
of Land and Natural Resources) and some colleagues at the watershed
partnerships identified a need for better knowledge integration and to modeling,
and then better integration of modeling into decision support. And so the Forest
Service said, "Okay, we will allocate about a million dollars in total to support
this effort". And it does translate into a number of staff people who are part of us
now in this project, so it does bring capacity and jobs here.
Yeah, and then definitely want to emphasize that this funding source from the
Forest Service is being leveraged by a number of assets that Arizona State
University brings, the University of Hawaii brings, and the State brings. And so
we did bring maybe the initial part of funding, but there's a lot of leveraging
that's happening. It's really exciting to see all of these data sets coming together.
Great example is our partnership with the University of Hawaii (UH), some
really excellent mapping work that's happen through UH Hilo. And some really
excellent fire work that's happening through UH Manoa. And so we're excited to
bring these pieces together.
MS. EVANS: Excellent. The other thing, is there possibilities for our children in
high school and in middle schools to be invited, and witness, and participate or
something because we're growing next generation of potentially STEM (Science,
Technology, Engineering, and Math) students or whatever? So is there that kind
of involvement?
MR. GIARDINA: I love that question. Yeah, we have a program that we support
with the University of Hawaii, and the Akaka Foundation of Tropical Forest
called Pilina `Aina. And it's a conservation education program, and we partnered
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with NOAA's (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) B -WET (Bay
Watershed Education and Training) program on a two-year ridge to reef education
program. We started integrating some of the basics, and NOAA's excited about
this, right, because they are all about ridge to reef. They're excited about bringing
this kind of learning into the classrooms, so we've had huaka`i (trip or voyage)
with teachers in year one of this program coming into some of these North Kona,
South Kohala watersheds. And then in year two, the teachers will bring their
students and engage both the landscapes and the stewards of these places but then
the knowledge that gets generated in this project. So yeah, very excited to see
where that goes and hopefully to grow that.
MS. MCGUME: I would just add to that, that you had a high schooler on the
team when I started. He has since started college and he's a duke now, but he was
a really outstanding high school student, so we're really excited about continuing
that legacy that he started.
MS. EVANS: Thank you. My last comment is that I love the idea of modeling
and data sets and there's a whole—people are getting trained and just manage
data sets, right, and mind it for making decisions. So, I think there's other things
coming out of this that we can learn a lot of lessons from and that's how we can
bring all these sets together. So I'm very excited, look forward to seeing where
this goes. Thank you, I yield.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you, Council Member Evans. Council Member
Kdneali `i–Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ma'am. Very well done, thank
you, for your time today. I think so far, I really resonated with what Mr. Inaba
said, in regard to codifying some of what you've come up with, what you're going
to come up with, and setting that in stone. Because it's going to become how we
look at projects walking in our door and make better decision making which is
beautiful. You did ask the questions, so I'm going to try and respond in ways that
I think would be helpful. There's a lot of push towards, and Mr. Inaba touched on
this, the grading, and grubbing, and clear cutting of lots and what that leads to.
That has come up in a number of different arenas that I `ve sat in and watched,
and trying to protect my interests, and protect the environment, and people's
rights is an interesting balance, so ways of making a smart decision in that lens
would be very useful.
In the past, I've worked with our National Parks folks, Jeff Zimpfer if that name
is familiar. He brought up water availability and I think it's the anchialine ponds,
but as I've seen increased development the water levels have decreased, which
decreases a resource that's protected. But he's had a hard time making any
progress on that at all with local agencies and their inner play; the national verses
county inner play. It's very interesting the way they can bring things up and we
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can bring things up, but he can't directly ask us to work on something without
there being a major process involved. So, ways of helping him would be helpful.
And then as we look at these affordable housing prices, and we look at density
and urban sprawl and make sure we're not just developing things in the middle of
nowhere. A tool like this helps us really define what areas we want to see
development in, what areas we don't want to. And not just because that's just
random growth in the middle of nowhere, but this is a protective watershed, or
this is an area with high cesspool contamination, or this is a ground water
discharge site for this area which is a reef issue. Those kinds of things tied into
our decision making will be incredibly useful. So that's what I have here at this
point, I'm not a Ph. D., but you did a wonderful job of putting some things in
front of us that were amazing.
MS. MCGUIRE: Thank you. I just wanted to address, I heard both of you that
grubbing and clearing is really important and in sediment off load. So I think
we'll prioritize that, especially probably in the Hamakua, North Hilo I'm
envisioning. And I grew up downstream of a ginger farm, and every time they
bulldozed the stream turned brown. So I hear you, and I will make sure that's
prioritized. And then, I also wanted to say we are including anchialine ponds in
the ground water and I don't think we're doing service water in South Kona, but
in the ground water modeling to see how different things will affect those levels
as well. So we are paying attention to those. I thank you guys so much for your
feedback, I hear you.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. I yield, Chair.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you. Alright, with that I will wrap up. Oh, I'm sorry,
Sue.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you so much. When Heather brings her friends the grade
point average really goes up in the room, so thank you for being here. I just had a
quick question and maybe because this is top of mind for me. You know, in your
slide deck you mentioned partners in collaboration, and I see a lot of large land
holders. And I was just curious if the Department of Hawaiian Homelands
(DHHL) was in any one of these subsets. And I'm asking that question because
they're currently going through Hawaii Islands General Plan update from their
holding's perspective.
MR. GIARDINA: So one of our subject manner experts is Kualii Camara, who
I'm guessing many of you know. He has been a colleague for a number of years,
friend, and colleague. And maybe more than almost anyone else that I hang out
with on a regular basis, he understands what's happening on the mountain, he
understands stewardship. And so we're really relying on him for some key
insights on Windward Mauna Kea, but he also has experience on DHHL and other
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geographies; Kahikinui or South Kohala, and so he brings a lot of experience to
our project in these other areas. We actually just had a meeting, kind of pau hana,
with him to ask him some questions about that, so. I would say because of the
geographic importance of Humu`ula, and other DHHL, and these three
geographies that they are definitely represented. And Kualii is like I said, a
subject matter expert, but we're not formally partnering with DHHL and
Honolulu, for example, as a partner organization. We could go in that direction,
but we haven't taken that approach yet.
MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, I just like the decision-making opportunities and Hawaiian
Homelands those are one's tracks of lands that can never be gentrified, and will
remain in trust with that department. And so, I was just really curious. And if
you're open to it, they're currently going through their regional plans and
updating that, and cross walking those plans against our own county general
plans; along with as you mentioned, Humu`ula Pi`ihonua which is their largest
track of land. And they're the largest track of land holdings in which they're
doing the Aina Mauna Legacy Program, which is for a lot of the hunting that they
look at. And I just think there would be some great opportunities, not only as
Council Member Inaba mentioned, about actionable ideas and cross walking
legislation. And I also think DHHL will be an awesome anchor for stewardship
because that land isn't going anywhere. In fact, they're buying up new properties,
right, to add to their inventory list. And so, appreciate the network that we have
and sometimes it's great to network in the garage with a cooler with some of these
great friends. But I also think there's a huge opportunity to drop in sound policy
within the Department of Hawaiian Homelands Island Plan and their own regional
plans that speak directly to Humu`ula Pi`ihonua, Waimea Nui, Kailapa; a lot of
big tracks of land that interestingly enough some of them exist on the ridge and
others down at the reef, so.
MR. GIARDINA: Yeah, we did an initial visit with the Kailapa community
leader there, I think it was Diane Kaneali`i, and had an initial instruction to an
amazing plan that they had put together. I know that's exactly the kind of work
that we want to support. And Kualii has talked about some of the planning that
he's doing, would he be the entry point for us?
MS. LEE LOY: Well the Department of Hawaiian Homelands are actually here
on island; they were here yesterday and again today. Andrew Troy is letting up
their land division, but I'm sure there's definitely other people that we can
connect you with. I just think it would be a really robust plan. And like I
mentioned, you know, we can pass legislation here but frankly what we say is
not going to impact DHHL. They have to make their decisions themselves. So
if they're looking for conservation, that's a business decision for that trust, and
the beneficiaries of that trust to make. When I travel in these spaces, I'm so
proud to be from the Big Island, because we're the one space that really doesn't
have to undo a lot of our things as far as land use policies, stewardships were
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actually kind of right on the cusp where we can start to guide them. Whereas
you know, somewhere like City and County of Honolulu, you know, they're city
already, so. If it's okay with you, I'll definitely connect the two of you guys.
MR. GIARDINA: Yeah, mahalo for that. We'll connect with Kualii for sure.
Yeah, and continue that.
MS. LEE LOY: Yeah. There were a couple of items on their agenda just today
around some of the stewardship that they were doing up at Humu`ula Pi`ihonua,
which we know has a lot of gorse. Very invasive species up there and how they
manage that along with the ungulates that they're trying to fence in or out.
MR. GIARDINA: Kualii was just sharing with us some of his exciting innovative
plans for gorse.
MS. LEE LOY: Gorse, yes, energy. Anyway, we can take it offline. Thank you
so much, I yield.
MR. GIARDINA: Mahalo, everyone for having us here, really exciting to hear
your questions. And glad that this is striking you as interesting.
CHR. VELLEGAS: Thank you. Mr. Kaneali`i–Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, you guys jogged my memory.
For one, yeah, that's my aunty. But that particular property is actually one of the
few existing complete ahupua`a, and they do have an amazing plan. I was going
to ask, on that thought water has always been their biggest issue. It's not that
there's no water existing in the area, but do you tie in and look at water as the
public trust when you start to look at your data, and your water usage, and where
water is being used and not released back in, which is how it's supposed to be
done here? And if not, please incorporate that in because we have a lot of water
usage on island that doesn't actually conform. And even more so, how to make
some changes, make sure it is being used appropriately.
MR. GIARDINA: I can maybe give a very brief response to that. So we are
interacting with Aaron Strauch who has worked fairly extensively with folks like
Kapua Sproat to engage water as sacred resource beyond sort of maybe where
water is being used, you know, in some of the sectors that we see today. So we
are very much acknowledging this centrality and sacred bowl of water in how we
function as a community and in this society. We know from recent events this
summer that water has really driven some important, I'll say problems, and the
stewardship of water. And so, we are hoping that this can result in science that
supports equitable management of water. I think I can say that. And also, really
excited to be working with Gina because she has been bringing in a—perspective
to water to our project. And we are trying to bring this notion of water sacred to
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all aspects of our project. And it's a little bit of a learning curve for a federal
agency because we're used to thinking about gallons per minute. And I think
we're very appreciative of Gina's input, but also of our colleagues who are telling
us that water needs to be viewed as much more than gallons per minute.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah, agreed. The one thing that stood on
my head that someone taught me was, we had the most unique loss regarding water
here for very specific reasons. But more so, you can't grandfather your water
rights, that one blew my mind. So there's a lot of usage that is not conforming
whatsoever, and very important as we drive agriculture and development and
planning for the future. Thank you.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Alright. I think with that, I'll just wrap this up. Wow, just
going to start off with a wow. Thank you so much. This strengthens my hope
and my faith in our capacity as a County to work collaboratively with other
agencies and scientists, such as yourself, to bring forth technologies that are going
to provide us with information we need in order to make the best decision
possible in a palatable, user-friendly, accurate format. Thank you for that. I am
really, really, excited to see this. I am also hopeful that you know they work
fairly autonomously, but our Department of Water Supply, even through their
own admission, is light years behind in their ability to really, effectively create a
map of our water. If we have these aquifers and have all these water credits, and
we have all these TMK (Tax Map Key) numbers, and they've been allocated to
there; with today's technology we should be able to create a map that shows the
exact numbers, right. If there's exact water units per aquifer, I mean even if that
needs to be adjusted, but just to have something to look at instead of something in
a DOS (Disk Operating System) system that is a spreadsheet that's hard to make
heads or tails of.
So I'm hopeful that there might be opportunity for you guys to work
collaboratively with Department of Water Supply, to improve their current
structures and systems and help them. I know they look for that as well, it's got
to be frustrating in their roles to not have the technology available in order to be
cutting edge. I also just really appreciate this term and I had to write it down
again, indigenous agro-ecological systems restoration. That's fantastic.
And something we've been challenged with is we're still waiting for a Water Use
Development Plan from the Department of Water Supply. And one of the reasons
that's taking so long is because it is directed to what Council Member Kdneali`i—
Kleinfelder referred to with the Kaloko-Honokohau National Park and the
lawsuits related to the effects of utilizing upland water and how that affects our
cultural eco systems and native Hawaiian practices. So that ties right into why we
don't have that yet. So thank you for utilizing those terms, and elevating them to
this status of real necessity. And also, that it doesn't sound like a pie in the sky.
You have the data and the mapping capacities to show what that means, instead of
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years gone by it just always felt you were asking for something unobtainable or
impossible.
So, this is just spectacular. I just had a quick question about the map where you
showed the water use and the strawberry guava. I was wondering if I understood
it correctly. In looking at those mappings, it seems to imply that the decrease and
the reduction of invasive species and the strawberry guava equated to increasing
water efficiency, and you were able to map that. Is that kind of how that
correlated?
MR. GIARDINA: Just to make sure we're looking at the same figures, is it this
one?
CHR. VILLEGAS: Yeah, this one. Watershed Decision Support Force Ecology
and Management.
MR. GIARDINA: Yeah, there's a little complexity here. So as Gina was
explaining, the left is our best estimation of where strawberry guava is located.
The middle image is showing the change in water yield that would result with full
invasion. So you can kind of see the letters in parenthesis, it's FI for full invasion
minus current conditions. And it's just saying that in this blue area that is fairly
free of strawberry guava, it's just above that big red belt of strawberry guava on
the left. If that were to become fully invaded, there would be a big change in
water.
Then the panel on the right, and I think you clipped these from different figures
that's why there are two panel A's. Apologies for that, but this is looking at these
water yield changes. So, there's a second middle panel that compares fully
restored and current conditions and so that lights up differently. It would show
where the current strawberry guava is, if you do a bunch of restoration in that you
would alter water yield. And so this panel on the right highlights where the
biggest bang for your buck is in terms of restoration action. And this core is
complicated because it also brings in things like cost, things like ecological
integrity, all things being equal. Maybe you treat this spot instead of that spot
because this is ecologically more valuable.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Right—but water being precious, priceless. So if we are
entering an era of water is more precious than gold, and so how to make most
effectively sure that we are—this seems to reflect as we're interacting with
invasive species. How to be most efficient and protecting our water resources
highest bang for the buck. Thank you, I just wanted to make I understood that.
No, I think you said it right, I just wanted to make sure. I also then wanted to just
pop in, you were saying Miloh `i, and Puako, and sites for potential utilization of
this. I would put out there Kahaluu Bay. Cindy Punihaole, I was there with her
yesterday and meeting with a number of different people, and they have a lot of
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data. I've been working very closely with Sea Grant and a lot of organizations.
So, just drop that in your head for a potential partnership.
And then last but not least, just kind of a begging for the dry side. In Kona these
days we're seeing a lot more rain, which is great in some capacities. But when I
look at the TMK (Tax Map Key) maps, and I look at the prior zoning parameters
and mapping gets brought to us with specific developments. What's included in
the flooding area is usually just a tiny little white dotted line, or dark dotted line
on one side or another, and it's like this distant after thought. And we get
development proposals that are like wait a minute, most of this property is in a
flood plain. And one of the arguments was well, we'll just make sure to build the
building on stilts, so they're not as affected to my consternation. Because you're
going to park your car under there, you're going to put your oil, you're going to
have all your other human stuff that if or when it floods it's going to end up in our
coast.
And so Sue Aronson (Kona Coast Realty Corporation) has been working and is
very, very passionate about the ridge to reef concept, and is working on, and has a
map. One of the first times I've ever seen a map like this, happy to show it to you
and also, it's right in our County Council Offices. And it shows the flood
corridors on the Kona side, which people don't really think of because we tend to
be dry. But when she goes, she goes, and water does not stop for anything or
anyone. And our brown water currencies, and the degradation of our equal
system, and the loss of our precious topsoil, we have so little. And what we're
seeing after decades ago permits were given, and the zonings were changed, and
what not. Way up mauka, where now the forest is being removed, grubbed, and
grated.
And it's only a matter of time, and it's already happened, and it will happen again.
We have these massive brown water occurrences, massive flooding occasions that
affect the neighborhoods, not just the ecosystems, but the people living just makai
of them. So I'm so excited and I just want to keep the west side really highlighted
as that target, because we are also targeted for lots of developments. And so as
Kona grows and continues to be kind of an urban hub, and we have a housing
crisis and all these different things, and all the impetus is about water, and water
credits, and what not. So, this technology I see as having the opportunity for us to
make better decisions based on accurate data that is user friendly. And equitable
for us to be able to share and acknowledge with one another. So thank you so
much. I love the pink; the shoes are on fire. The glitter, yes. So encouraging to
see a woman in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics),
especially at your caliber of education. And thank you for committing to continue
to serve, and study, and participate here on the Big Island; it's really, really
powerful. So, thank you. And with that, all those in favor of closing file on
Communication 424.
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Vote on Comm. 424: The motion to close file on Comm. 424 was carried
Filed by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Inaba,
Kaneali`i—Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball,
Lee Loy, and Chair Villegas — 8.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Member Kagiwada — 1.
Excused: None.
CHR. VILLEGAS: With that, I'd just like to ask for a five-minute recess,
for a potty break. Alright, we're in recess and we'll be back at 3:00.
Recess: At 2:53 p.m., the Chair called for a recess.
Reconvene: The meeting reconvened at 3:00 p.m.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Aloha, calling this meeting back into session, Committee on
Communications, Reports, and Council Oversight. Mr. Clerk, go ahead, and read
in Communication 425.
Comm. 425: REQUESTS A PRESENTATION BY THE MASS TRANSIT AGENCY AND
REPRESENTATIVES FROM SSFM INTERNATIONAL REGARDING
ISLAND -WIDE TRANSIT SERVICES AND TITLE H AMERICANS WITH'
DISABILITIES ACT SERVICES
From Council Member Susan L. K. Lee Loy, dated August 31, 2023.
Motion to Close File: Ms. Lee Loy moved to close file on Comm. 425.
Seconded by Ms. Galimba.
(Note: Comms. 425.1 and 425.2, from Council Member Susan L. K. Lee Loy
dated September 14 and 18, 2023, transmitting a presentation and a handout to
Comm. 425, was circulated.)
CHR. VILLEGAS: Council Member Lee Loy, I'll go ahead and turn this over to
you.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you so much. Today we have the privilege and honor of
welcoming our new Mass Transit Director. I think we're all so used to
John Andoh and we had a little bit of a transition there. But I just thought it
would be a great opportunity to introduce yourself to the Council, along with
bringing us up to speed on where you are with our DDA (Disability
Discrimination Act) compliance, and any future plans that you have from Mass
Transit. I think we set your budget, and you have some monies that come to you
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through the GE (General Excise) fund, so we know there's a lot of resources
there. But I also want to point out that we have our good friend in Hilo from
SSFM, Jo -Anna Herkes, who also is a great partner with us at Mass Transit. So if
you guys don't mind, go ahead take it away,
(Note: At this time, Mass Transit Administrator Victor Kandle came
forward to address the members of the Committee.)
MR. KANDLE: Aloha, Council Members and Chair. Thank you for the
opportunity to meet with you. I'm Victor Kandle. As Susan pointed out, I started
my new Administration back in June. I've been very busy these three months
getting an idea of the background, the projects, the funding, and the personnel,
and grants and all that. So it's been a lot.
What I know at this point is that the support from the Council has been very
thorough and has put me in the position of feeling very accountable and
responsible for that support. It's very clear to me that John worked hard to
forward the Mass Transit Master Plan, and you all have supported that plan to a
great deal. So to me, my Administration is going to be about transparency,
collaboration, with many different groups and staff, and really progressing the
outline of the plan. I'm working on putting together quite a few little bits of data
to help support or provide evidence for success or adjustments that are needed
et cetera. So that's where we're at, that's kind of where I'm at today. So, we'll
move on to the next slide.
(Note: At this time, Mass Transit Administrator Victor Kandle provided a
PowerPoint presentation to the members of the Committee. For viewing
of the presentation, see the DVD copy of the proceedings on file in the
Clerk's Office, or online at htlp:Hhawaiicounty.granicus.com. A copy of
the presentation is made part of the record, see Comm. 425.1 and 425.2.)
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you so much. Council Member Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you so much. I did want to invite Joanna, who's in our
Hilo Chambers, if there's anything else she wanted to highlight. Thanks Joanna,
we do have all the work that you did relate to the ADA (The Americans with
Disabilities Act) compliance for our bus stops. And thank you for marking it out
or calling it out by Council District, and I just was curious if you had anything
else to add?
(Note: At this time, SSFM Jo—Anna Herkes came forward
to address the members of the Committee.)
MS. HERKES: No, not really. And please forgive me though there might have
been some areas of those photos, I wasn't sure which district it's in. So it was
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either District two or three, so forgive me if I didn't know exactly where some of
these stops were. Other than the fact that collaboratively with DPW (Department
of Public Works), and the contractor, and other parties involved with
accomplishing this mandate from DOJ (Department of Justice); it was a great
effort. Everything really went quite smoothly, we did have a few concerns after
the construction was done with a few mitigation issues that we had to take care
of, which I believe have all been completed as well. I did not interface with
DOJ; Corporation Counsel did. So I think if Suzanna has anything that she'd
like to add, as far as us helping comply the county with this mandate from DOJ.
I'll turn it over to Suzanna.
MS. LEE LOY: Thanks, Jo -Anna. First of all, thank you and welcome. You
know, diving into—with us over here. I just had a real quick question around
your MT -18. You mentioned you're in the process of four mechanics but only
one application received, is it just because of the minimum qualifications or
interest?
MR. KANDLE: It seems to be related to the minimum qualifications. I did note
it was just one application, because I think that there had been concerns about
hiring; and I share that concern. So, one of the things that I've talked to some
people about is maybe the possibility of an apprentice program, that kind of
thing, because I think that we're going to need the help. And I think if we can
bring some new people in, I think that they're going to be more amendable to the
zero -emission type structure.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, for sharing that. I think you're not alone, there's a
lot of agencies and departments that are struggling with hiring and slowly
stepping people into our apprentice program or job shadowing; something that's
not new to us. So definitely there's that, and then work that we've been doing
with Hawaii Community College for the job training, especially in the
mechanics field because of the new technology with our hydrogen and electric
buses and some of the other things. Thank you for sharing that. And then this
second one, you had a transit fleet and facilities manager. One person, two areas
of expertise fleet management and facility management.
MR. KANDLE: So it is both. And currently, we have our fix route program
manager managing the facilities, as well. So part of the goal of that position is to
peel some of her responsibilities away because she's the soul person responsible
for fixed route. Everything from customer service to customer complaints to
scheduling, to managing the contract with Roberts; and routing all of it. So she's
got a lot. The facility and the fleet kind of go together in regard to like the shop
and that kind of stuff. One of the things that kind of sparked in my mind on your
previous comments about our staff. I feel honestly kind of blessed by the fact
that I've been given such a good team; and that is sincere. I came from an
agency that had good people, but I didn't feel like they had an opportunity to
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really manage so much. And the team we have in place manages a lot, and so
I'm very thankful that I find myself in a situation that I am.
MS. LEE LOY: What a great compliment for your staff. I didn't have any other
questions other than, you know, we put a lot of effort into that Mass Transit
Master Plan and making sure that it was funded. And we know that at some
point that monies are going to sunset. And so I just want us as body if not this
legislative cycle or one coming up, that we make sure that we're making the
right pitch to extend that funding, because I've seen it transform Hawaii Island.
And when we talk about access and equity issues. I mean you mentioned it,
there's a number of people riding the bus who just have no transportation. And
you know, you highlighted our ADA compliance piece and that's one
population, but we have many, many, many. Whether it's kids going to school
or our seniors trying to get to a doctor's appointment, it really is a lifeline for
them. I see a lot of the work that we do here on the dais is really making sure
that our community has that lifeline for just everyday grocery shopping, doctors,
and getting around town. So thank you for being here, welcome on board. I
yield.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you, Council Member Lee Loy. Council Member
Kaneali `i—Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I—KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Thank you for being here
today, nice to put a face to the name. So with everything you just said, a quick
mahalo to Ms. Herkes in our Hilo Chambers, who's been here and around for a
very long time. Thank you for your help. Writership numbers increased since
COVID (Coronavirus Disease). What I remember from the previous
Administrator was his wanting to provide free fares to up our ridership numbers,
which equals more federal funding opportunities. That really was a selling point
for me, for free fares, and it's working; people are riding the buses, but he was
also building that ridership number to equal more funding for us. So, I hope you
take that into consideration as you look at your whole. Any thoughts towards
putting cameras on the buses, so that we can see what's happening in real time or
at least a database you can pull from if you get an incident that you need to deal
with?
MR. KANDLE: That question came up in our preproduction meeting yesterday.
It's not Town and Country, I can't remember the name of the company. Country
Township, anyway, they're based in Wisconsin. They're going to provide us
with eight buses, and we were just talking about that yesterday. We were talking
about security cameras and that was listed as an option to be considered. And so
it came up, do we want to consider. Yes, we do. So, it's on the list along with a
couple of other things that I'm interested in seeing on those buses. What the cost
is and what has been set aside for that purchase. I think, given the data
connected to the funding that was going to new flyer means that I'm going have
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the funding to provide those options, I think. But I haven't had time to really dig
into that to know that. But I think that security cameras are an important part,
and I think that if can also have them live that's definitely going to be helpful
too.
MR. KANEALI`I–KLEINFELDER: I agree. I think it will build security for the
people riding the buses, and they will feel more comfortable.
MR. KANDLE: Yes. Just in the three months, I've had a significant amount of
feedback. Including from Cindy, that there's an interest or a concern about the
security on our system. And I hear it in some of our passenger's call -ins when it
makes it to my phone, and it does make it to my phone. I think it's going to be a
pretty important element to provide additional support to solving, strategizing on
how to do that.
MR. KANEALI`I–KLEINFELDER: Okay, thank you. You talked about Uber.
I've always wondered, as we grow, is there shift towards smaller mass transit?
It's not the big classic giant buses, but as were moving towards smaller which is
more convenient to get into more rural areas and then connect back to larger
buses. Is that kind of the transition we're making?
MR. KANDLE: So that's a great question because one of the things that I
learned during the finalizing of our ADA compliance was that there was some
kind of exchange that went like okay, well what are you going to do about the
route that goes in here where there is no possibility of compliance? We'll
remove service. That kind of surprised me when I learned that. So I think of
Orchid land, I think of Fern Acres, and some of these communities where we are
serving, that the possibilities of being ADA compliant with a stop are going to be
very challenging, given that it's private land, private roads, and we don't have
any ownership there. So the answer to your question is I don't know, but I think
it's very—one of things that I have been thinking of and to go back to the Master
Transit Plan. I'm moderately familiar with it, as far as hub and spoke.
So you think of that, but I'm also thinking in terms of connectivity between
Pahoa and Hilo and being able to mark it that the bus goes through without the
traffic. So I just thought how nice it would be if there was a transit lane
dedicated to transit or how nice it would be if we could say we've opened up
Government Road and Railroad that goes kind of through the communities on
the back side and it was transit only or something like that or transit in bicycle.
So I think of some core routes between hubs with smaller circular buses going
through the neighborhoods to feed those core routes and hubs. I don't know if
that's well within the scope of the Transit Plan, but we would be responding to
the Transit Plan first and then looking at how we could incorporate some of these
other ideas. One of the things that I've learned through the years of experience
in transit is that if you see the bus sitting in the traffic with all the cars, there's no
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reason to take the bus. If you see the bus zooming by, zooming by, zooming by;
it's clear. and it does make a difference. So anyway, that's kind of my thoughts
on that. It's very peremptory to all the rest of the topic of planning.
MR. KANEALI`I—KLEINFELDER: Okay. My last question for you. And this
one is interesting and there's some things I want to follow-up with you later on,
we'll set a meeting up. The van pool program that we have works well, but I get
a lot of requests from folks in the community who are trying to get a group of
kids together to go to a certain school. And possibly, you know, I think one was
getting from the area I represent in Puna to Waimea, and having a number of
parents wanting to do that, and wanting to find a vehicle big enough. But one of
the hurdles we got stuck in was the program exists, but we were not able to
utilize it for school kids because of the way it was designed. And this something
that John (John Andoh, previous Mass Transit Administrator) and I started
working on, but never finished with the enterprise folks. There never was a final
conclusion to the answer. And John was thinking that we could, but they were
saying couldn't. It was frustrating because we have the program, I can see the
potential, but we couldn't utilize it for good use like getting our kids to school,
having a vanpool, sharing between a number of families in that area, getting to
another area. So, I love this. I mean if you don't know that's fine, I'm not
expecting you to know. But you can dig into that a little bit and get an answer
out of those guys. I got three emails out to three different people and none of
them can give me an answer, which probably tells me that I think we can, but
they just need a little push.
MR. KANDLE: So some good news, while I'm not familiar with the specifics of
putting it to Waimea and the school children or what roadblocks exist or don't
exist there. In regard to the van pool, it does seem to be working well. I'm
working on their contract right now and they requested a number of adjustments
that we're working with legal. We're working through that. I don't know the
answer to your question, but the good news is I am a pusher. I end up having to
prioritize things, and to me that would be a priority. And I am a pusher.
MR. KANEALI`I—KLEINFELDER: Beautiful. I mean, we can't have this lack
of buses and availability for kids or increased costs to parents in underserved,
low-income areas. That program offers a neat alternative, but if we can't use it,
we're kind of stuck; it doesn't make sense. As you work with them, try to figure
out what enterprise has got on their end and why we can't or if we can, and that
will be tremendous. Thank you, and very nice to meet you. Thank you, sir.
Thank you to your staff for being here as well.
CHR. VELLEGAS: Thank you, Council Member. Council Member Galimba.
MS. GALIMBA: Well I just wanted to say that he thanked me, but it's really all
you that deserve the thanks. I can't remember what the timing was, but it was at a
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very strange time that we were presented with this very complicated problem of
kids that needed to get to school. And it wasn't really your problem to solve, but
you jumped in and figured it out, and your staff did it very quickly and efficiently
with compassion. So I really thank you for doing that, and continuing to work
with the school to get the kids there. I just wanted to ask you something about the
fares. As far as we have a free fare now, which obviously is very popular, and is
building numbers. I got the impression that potentially, well I'm not sure whether
we could do that because we got federal funding or whether the federal funding
came with a string attached of free fares. I'm kind of wondering if we could
increase it to like a very small fare, to sort of work on the security issue but still
make it very attractive and accessible to all residents or are there sort of issues
around that. I kind of remember there being some issues around that from
previous administrators, but I wondered if you could talk about that a little bit.
MR. KANDLE: Sure. So to the first part, I will say this; it went like this. "Hey,
Victor, we got a problem with school children trying to get to school on an
overloaded bus." Kasie (Mass Transit Program Manager Kasie Kailikea), tell me
more about this. Kasie is our fixed route person. And so a lot of situations are
presented to me, and I depend on my team. So really the thanks should go to
Kasie, because she dug in and got a lot of the details. So, I really appreciated her
in that role. In regard to the free fare, because I understand it was a grant that
allows us to—and I don't think it actually covers the whole amount, but I believe
it covers most of it. And that's through December 2025; so we got about two
years left on that. Some of my thinking on restoration affairs would be in line
with what some other transit agencies do where it's kind of based on income.
So, I think that when you think about a transit rider you have wide range of needs
being served. You think of commuters who have to travel a long distance and are
saving money by riding the system; but really don't have great income. So I think
in terms of levels of income that kind of set a rate. I don't know if we want to get
it super complicated, but you could think in terms of like some kind of tier; low-
income, young people, elderly, or kind of—citizen status, some stuff like that.
So, I think that we should definitely look at a tiered approach on a restoration of
fares.
MS. GALIMBA: Thanks, for that. I yield, that's all.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you, Council Member Galimba. Council
Member Kimball.
MS. KIMBALL: Thank you, Chair. And thank you for being here, Administrator,
I appreciate your time and putting together a presentation for us. A couple of
quick things, with your predecessor and R&D (Department of Research and
Development), we worked on a grant through part of the infrastructure package for
six additional paratransit vehicles that would be electric and the charging
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infrastructure for them. So that was back in June, just bringing that to your
attention, in case that wasn't relayed to you that had been worked on through
R&D.
MR. KANDLE: I think that there are some gaps in my knowledge. I have heard
talk about that, and it was not one of those things I was able to track down before
the presentation today. I wonder if it matches with the Lono grant, because that is
for three hydrogen and three electric vehicles.
MS. KIMBALL: Yeah, it was a different grant. It was primarily around charging
infrastructure. But as we were working on it and thinking about the justice for
initiative and serving disenfranchised, disadvantaged communities, we thought
oh, this is a cool opportunity to bring in electric paratransit into the County. And
so, I think we put together a pretty good application.
MR. KANDLE: I'll definitely dig in and research that because I was just talking
with Erik Soderholm yesterday. He is proposing some opportunities for some
electric paratransit vehicles, including the possibility of a lease. So, I was looking
at that and I kind of feel like given his background that he would be kind of aware
of that. So I'll just have to look at that, and dig in. So I just don't know.
MS. KIMBALL: Okay. R&D was the lead on that, so Riley Saito would
probably be the best.
MR. KANDLE: Well I get to spend the whole week with him next week, so.
MS. KIMBALL: Perfect. Another conversation you can have with him is about
the hydrogen bus versus battery electric bus question. At this point, the
topography shouldn't be a problem for battery electric. So I wouldn't use it as an
argument point towards hydrogen, it's the refueling time or the recharging time
that is the bigger issue. I have just a little point of frustration for me, that
argument has been made and it just isn't true with most recently designed battery
electric buses that can make it over saddle and back without any issue.
MR. KANDLE: You bring up a good point, because they did, CTE (Center for
Transportation and the Environment) did acknowledge that the greater battery
capacity was going to solve a lot of problems. But there were two areas that they
were still concerned about. And one of them was down at the rise that comes out
of Nd`dlehu up towards Ocean View that's a pretty significant long grade and
steep. So I think they were still concerned about that one, as far as battery electric
bus. If we get to a point where these get resolved, I'm definitely more interested
in a very cohesive fleet. And it would make a lot of things much more easily
manageable. I do like the possibilities with hydrogen fuel, but I do think that it's
also a pretty young science, especially in transit.
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MS. KIMBALL: Yeah, it is, and it's certainly not nearly as long as the full
battery electric. And at this point it's still a third of the efficiency of battery
electric hydrogen is, in terms of you're going to need three times the energy to
create the hydrogen for the equivalent amount of horse power. So, that of course
needs that horse power.
The last kind of comment I wanted to make, and I want to thank you for
acknowledging your staff and the great staff you have Because I think working
for the County government is sometimes a thankless job. So it's great that you
acknowledge your staff. However, I do want to share with you that my staff, my
Council Aide, has utilized the bus service or attempted to a couple of times, and
has been met with very poor customer service. And to the point, I actually asked
her to talk with Managing Director Lee Lord and share her experience. So, I
would encourage you to come to my office and have another conversation. And
she can share with you the particulars of her situation, but it was more than one
isolated incident. I'm sure that it was just part of the larger picture, but I was
pretty concerned about what I heard from her. So, I want to make sure that you
have that conversation at some point.
MR. KANDLE: I am not unaware of some of the customer service challenges. I
fielded some pretty serious pieces of feedback over the last few months. I think in
some ways there's a lot of need for better, clear communication on what the
expectations are. I know, for example, that we denied service to somebody
because they wanted to go to Hilo on this route, not the route that would normally
be ahead of that. And so it kind of got perceived in the wrong way. So we
followed up and were like, you can't deny service. You can advise it would be
better if. And they're like we're saving spots for our customers that are going to
fill the bus up down the road. It's like, you can't do that. I can appreciate
somebody wanting to articulate that.
It should stop at sharing that; it should be okay come on board. Because we do
not deny service, it kind of came up also with the school thing. There was one
incident where they were like well, I got passengers that need to get to work, and
if I fill it up with school children. And so, I think there was that one incident that
I got immediately corrected. I think some other situations were just honestly
inappropriate feedback from an operator to our passengers. I know in one
particular situation the driver ended up resigning. I don't know if it's related to
the one you're talking about, but we're now unaware of some of the challenges
there.
MS. KIlVIBALL: Yeah, thank you for that. I appreciate your focus on that. I
know part of it is just consistency and the information that people are receiving
when they call for help. I just wanted to make you aware of that. Just as a final
note, I'll say fully on board with mass transit only lanes. I think that's a great
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idea, definitely want to incentivize using the bus ticket to work. So thank you, I
yield, Chair.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you. Council Member Evans
MS. EVANS: Thank you. Well I have one comment, because I do have
constituents that ride the bus. They don't have a bus stop, so their experience is
they have to wave down the bus. And I know we have that on certain stretches of
our highway. We have a long coast, you know, in North Kohala and people
wave. So I'm just again—pulling off, and waving, and a lot of traffic, and a lot of
things go on. They drive right past them and don't pull over and pick them up,
and they've been waiting there for an hour, right, or whatever.
So is there a way to educate and have this conversation with the public, like
where's the best place for them? Should we have places that are designated along
the coast? And maybe if they can get to those spots, maybe you don't have a
shelter there, but maybe we have a really nice Hawaiian really pretty sign. You
know, this is kind of the preferred place that you wait for your bus. Because I
know in a lot of rural areas I've been, where they tell me you go down there a
quarter mile and stand by that sign. That's where the bus person is going to
expect, that's where they want you to be, right, when they pull over. So just a
thought because I heard about the bus driving by them, and I'm like maybe they
were in a traffic situation; too many cars were coming in two different directions
and we just didn't see them, and realized that they were standing—you know, this
is the sign to get the bus, right? So it's just a thought, because of our rural nature.
MR. KANDLE: I think my concern on that is, there's the safety component. I
think there's an opportunity for disparate treatment between operators and
passengers. Oh, I know that passenger, I don't want to stop or oh, I didn't see.
And so I think really, we need to keep progressing to identifying safe locations
that are well marked, that are lit, may have a shelter, they're ADA compliant, they
have the signage, and it's part of our whole program. And we really did do that
with the 177 stops for the ADA compliance, and each time I want keep on
expanding that. I think at some point, perhaps we can get to there's none of this.
There's just—you have a passenger on board who's requesting a stop that's not a
stop in advance, where they can do it safely. So we call those, now the term just
left me. We used to just do it during night service, and that just became kind of a
nice thing that we can do. But it still ends up putting the operator in an awkward
position of evaluating well, can I safely stop at the 7-11, yeah.
I'm totally with you on here's the stop, it's advertised, and it's marked. And it's
known both the operator and—because you can't really withhold the driver
accountable to, well you passed the stop. There's not a stop there. Only there is,
culturally, a stop there. So it definitely can get—
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MS. EVANS: And the distances are so great. Kawaihae, the Kohala Coast, the
Harbor, all the subdivisions running up the coast, all the subdivisions running up
Kawaihae Road. How do you do it? I don't know, but I'd love to promote more
people getting on buses. Thank you, I yield.
CHR. VILLEGAS: Thank you, Council Member Evans. Anyone else have any
other comments? Alright, thank you for being here and stepping into these big
shoes, and perpetuating all the progress that was made in this department agency
office. And just stepping in with such fervor and utilizing your skills and
strengths to ensure that SSFM's plans have been laid and our community is well
served. So with that, all those in favor of closing file on Communication 425
please say "aye."
Vote on Comm. 425: The motion to close file on Comm. 425 was carried
Filed by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba,
Kaneali`i—Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball,
Lee Loy, and Chair Villegas — 7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Members Inaba and Kagiwada — 2.
Excused: None.
ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 3:56 p.m., Ms. Lee Loy moved to adjourn the
MENT: meeting. Seconded by Ms. Galimba and carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba,
Kaneali`i—Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Kimball,
Lee Loy, and Chair Villegas — 7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Members Inaba and Kagiwada — 2.
Excused: None.
CHR. VILLEGAS: We are adjourned. Aloha.
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