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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN FC 2024/03/19 (2022-2024)Committee on Finance 315t Session West Hawaii Civic Center 74-5044 Ane Keohokalole Highway, Building A Kailua-Kona, Hawaii March 19, 2024 CALL TO The regular meeting of the Committee on Finance was called to order at ORDER: 10:08 a.m., in the Council Chambers, Kailua-Kona, by Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Chair. ROLL CALL: Present: Mr. Matt Kaneali`i- Kleinfelder, Chair Ms. Cindy Evans, Vice Chair Ms. Michelle M. Galimba, Member Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Member Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member Ms. Heather L. Kimball, Member Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member (via videoconference from Hilo) Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member (came in later) Absent & Excused: Ms. Jenn Kagiwada, Member STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items. PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS: The Chair called Dorothy A. Staskawicz, who registered to speak in support of Res. 450-24 (Comm. 762), and came forward when called. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mr. Clerk, let's go to our first order of business. COMMUNI- The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, CATIONS: Communications. Comm. 12.27: REPORT OF DONATIONS RECEIVED FROM THE DANIEL R. SAYRE MEMORIAL FOUNDATION AS OF JANUARY 2024 From Finance Director Diane Nakagawa, dated February 1, 2024, transmitting the above report pursuant to Resolution No. 468-20. Motion to Close File: Mr. Inaba moved to close file on Comm. 12.27. Seconded by Ms. Kimball. FC-31 March 19, 2024 CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Any discussion, Council Members? And then for everyone's reference we do have many of our directors with us today as organized by our Director of Finance, Ms. (Diane) Nakagawa. Beautiful. Seeing no discussion, motion is on the floor to close file on Communication 12.27. All in favor? Vote on Comm. 12.27: The motion to close file on Comm. 12.27 was carried by Filed the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 7. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Kagiwada and Villegas -- 2. Excused: None. Comm. 13.28: REPORT OF CHANGE ORDERS AUTHORIZED: JANUARY 1— 1 S 2024 From Finance Director Diane Nakagawa, dated February 20, 2024, transmitting the above report pursuant to Section 2-12.3 of the Hawaii County Code. Motion to Close File: Mr. Inaba moved to close file on Comm. 13.28. Seconded by Ms. Galimba. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Discussion, Council Members? Council Member Kimball, go ahead. MS. KIMBALL: Yeah. Finance Director, if you wouldn't mind, I know this one and one of the later change orders has subtractions and additions to the emergency calls center contract. Can you kind of give us the story about what's going on with that? (Note: At this time, Finance Director Diane Nakagawa came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. NAKAGAWA: Council Member, I believe Director (Stephen) Pause is also in the Chamber, so he would be speaking on this item this morning. MS. KIMBALL: Okay, great. Thank you. (Note: At this time, Public Works Director Stephen Pause came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. PAUSE: Director of Public Works, Steve Pause here. I'll speak generically and then if you have a specific question, Council Member Kimball, I'll answer it. Page 2 FC-31 March 19, 2024 But so, the first negative change order, if you will, I think that you're referencing is a total deduction of $441,000, As part of the call center contract, there were allowances put it. A lot of it had to do with telecommunication equipment, which was not necessarily defined at the time that the work was contracted. This change order is actually removing some of that allowance from the general contractor, Hansel Phelps, because the decision was made that there was really no value of having that work done through them. So, we're removing from their contract and the department will contract directly with those providers for essentially the same amount. So, it's just a paperwork thing. Would you like me to comment on the one for 29 (Comm, 13.29), or do you want to wait on that one? MS. KIMBALL: Chair, it's a different change order sheet. It's a different communication but it might be most helpful to just have the conversation about this. I'll leave it to your discretion. You want to wait till that other communication? CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Go ahead, Mr. Pause. Thank you. MR. PAUSE: Thank you. So, there were two other change orders, number 8 and 15. One is for $692,000 and the other one is for $1.5 million. These change orders with the general contractor were associated with delays mostly for overhead and general conditions for the contractor. I think you're all fairly aware of the call center and the history on the project. The delays were really based on some changes that were made. You've heard me speak about project management in the past. This was a project that went out to bid and was contracted. It wasn't completely defined. So, the changes for these, specifically the $692,000, were related to changes on the critical operations power systems. It created a —I'm reading a little bit here. I was prepped for this. But it created a two-hour fire-resistant envelope. So, there were some changes that had to be done to meet Code, NEC (National Electrical Code), Article 708, that was done after award of the contract. There was also a decision made later to raise the floor. So, they added this pressed slab and they had to raise the floor for telecommunications wiring to allow for cabling and such. So, the delays for the contractor in order to do that, there was amounted to 130 days, and that's that $692,000 change order. And then decisions were made later where they needed to do more redundancy for air handling units for the computer room air conditioning. I believe this call center will house the IT (Information Technology) equipment for all of the County. So, in order to provide redundancy and backup and not go through a situation where you overheat equipment, some design changes were made. And those design changes amounted to almost over a year to order the equipment and to get it shipped and get it here in place. So, the $1.5 million was actually a negotiated amount. It was less than what the contractor asked for, but it's really Page 3 FC-31 March 19, 2024 associated with that 330 days of delay where the contractor now has to remain on site and continue to complete their work. But because of the delay of the equipment coming, they were entitled to costs for that. Now, having said that, just provide a brief summary. The original NTP (Network Time Protocol) for the call center notice to proceed was issued in September of 2021, and the work was supposed to be completed by March of 2023. We are now on a path to complete that work and have the call center operational in June of 2024. So, a lot of this work is just things that have occurred because of the lack of definition and some of the changes that had to be made along the way. I recognize the $31 million project has grown by about 30 percent, but this is a project that we were given and now we're fighting our way through it. MS. KIMBALL: So, if I can just summarize so I'm sure I'm clear, but I understand you completely. The reason for this fairly high change order amount is due to a lack of having a fully complete scope at the onset of the contract and because of some specialized needs for this sort of facility where it's more or less required in order to comply with Code, to make these changes. Is that, in 30 seconds or less, basically what you've just told me? MR. PAUSE: That's a very good summary. It's to comply with the Code and it's also to meet the requirements that we've stated that we want the building and at the time the work was contracted, those requirements weren't completely defined. So, some of that has occurred along the way and it's resulted —especially on the air conditioning stuff. It was 52 weeks of lead time, and we've managed to work with our contractor to get something less than a year's worth of delays. But yes, that summarizes it very well. Thank you. MS. KIMBALL: Is it, hopefully, unusual that we would enter into a project and contract it out without having that level of specificity in the scope? I'm hoping that this is not par for the course. I'm hoping that this is kind of a unique situation that it wasn't fully scoped. MR. PAUSE: Yeah, I would say that it's not the way that I would recommend proceeding. I think it's just the way it kind of happened. Now, again, I'm trying to project something positive here, right? You know, we are on track to finally seeing an end to this. And I've had a number of conversations with Managing Director (Deanna) Sako when she was in her role, and those conversations were frank, when's this going to stop. And I will tell you that at this point I think the worst of it is behind us. I would place any additional change orders that come along at well less than an additional million dollars. I think we're in the home stretch and we're looking forward to just getting this done and complete, and I'm sure others would agree. MS. KIMBALL: Alright. Thank you, Director. I yield, Chair. Page 4 FC-31 March 19, 2024 CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Further discussion? MS. LEE LOY: Yes, Chair. CHR, KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Council Member Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. And to my colleague, Ms. Kimball, I was on point exactly with those things. Follow up question, Director. This is change order number 16 on a project that did not define a kind of final product or had limited scope. Is there a way for us to learn from this and look at other projects that had similar kinds of starting points alongside the number of change orders? And here's my biggest concern. Through the procurement process, often contractors will bid on a project and for whatever reason there's times where there's a big challenge, and with the number of change orders, I feel or I'm curious about if just by that lack of information that we have subverted an accurate bid submittal and moreover really costed our constituency more money. My question is, is there a way to take a sampling of all of the contracts that were awarded based on the number of contract changes or change orders and find some commonalities on areas that we can do better? MR. PAUSE: I think the simple answer, Council Member Lee Loy, is yes. There's clearly an opportunity here to take an evaluation of what went right and what went wrong here, kind of like an after -action review, and I would commit to doing that on this particular job. We need to get better at these sorts of things. And there's a lot of lessons, I believe, to be learned, but the simple one is define your work scope upfront and lock it in, and then proceed. And that's what our County procurement process is based on, that's good common sense that, you know, you define the scope, because the time where you're spending the least amount of money is upfront when you're defining that scope. Once you start construction all sorts of things can happen. So, in this particular case, I think this would be a good one. Building Chief (Julann) Sonomura coming along midway through this as well has offered an incredible amount of experience just based on her family business and her experience with construction. And I think between herself and myself just sitting down and really evaluating how we can get better going forward, I think, is a great idea, MS. LEE LOY: Thanks for that. Yeah, that project management piece is the most critical path for on time, on budget. Thank you. Thank you for your answers. I really appreciate that. But I do think I've seen —and it wasn't your fault, you guys inherited this from another administration who made some promises to get it out, and so I want to acknowledge that. MR. PAUSE: This one was lemons and we're trying to make lemonade. Page 5 FC-31 March 19, 2024 MS. LEE LOY: What a great response. Thank you. Thank you, Director. Thank you, Chair. I yield. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Council Member Kimball. Okay. Further discussion? Council Member Kierkiewicz. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. You know, I'm going to bring this up again. I think I bring it up every budget cycle and every time I have an opportunity, but at some point, it would be great to invest in some sort of project management system and a public facing dashboard where we are able to know the Capital Improvement Projects (CIP) our County has committed to doing and is bankrolling through grants or bonds. Unless we as a Council have a keen eye in taking a look at these change orders and asking the questions, we won't know if projects are over budget and over schedule. So, I'm hoping that at the upcoming budget hearings we can learn more about what our County is doing to invest in those systems. Thank you, Chair, for the latitude. I yield. MR. PAUSE; May I respond? CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yes. MR, PAUSE: Thank you, Council Member, for that. It's an excellent point. I think you recall one of the results of our audit last year was to get better at project management, construction management. To that end, we are pursuing those applications, project management as well as construction management. We've recently updated our website and if you go on there now, you can actually click on a button and see the projects that we have and just the general value of those projects. But I agree with you. We need to develop tools that help us manage projects, keep on schedule, keep the work scope from expanding, stay on budget, and I think your idea about making some of that more front facing to the public is also a good idea and I'll take that back as we start looking at what our options are for project management software. So, thank you for your comments. And then when we're talking about budgets, I'm sure you're going to see a whole lot of or hear a whole lot from me about our plans to pursue technology to help all six divisions in Public Works, and project management and construction management are two parts of that. So, thank you for your words. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. Director, I really appreciate you bringing up your website. I'm online and I'm a little confused. I don't know which website is yours. There's one that I can access through hawaiicounty.gov, but then there's also something that was created through ArcGIS, and they all kind of like link to each other. And so, I'm Doping that at one point all of this is going to be merged together so we have one cohesive experience. Or is it not even one of these two options? .Page 6 PC-31 March 19, 2024 MR. PAUSE: No. It is. The main website, if you click on it, it should take you to the nice white with pictures, without the blue stuff. That's where you should be and there are buttons to look at projects and things like that. But I'll go back and make sure that those links are in place. The other thing we attempted to do with our website was to allow you to get to where you want to go in one or two clicks instead of five or six. So, I'll make sure that those buttons are working and yeah, moving forward that's our goal, is to try to get as much stuff out there and make it easier for the community to see what we're doing. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. I appreciate that. Clicked on a few links, it says page not found. So, happy to help do a quick audit to make sure all the buttons work, and the information is there. Bottom line is we just want information, and if things are over budget, who pays? Taxpayers. And I think we all would really like to avoid our taxpayers having to pay more. Thank you. I yield. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Okay, Mr. Pause, when did this project start? MR. PAUSE: The initial notice to proceed for the call center was issued in September of 2021, and the initial projected completion date was supposed to be March of 2023. CHR, KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So, September 2021, that's when we submitted or requested for bids on the project? MR. PAUSE: No. That's actually when we awarded the bid to Hansel Phelps, and we issued them a notice to proceed, So, that's when the project actually began. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So, that project would have been initiated in 2020? MR. PAUSE: Yeah. I would honestly confess that I don't know the entire history on when the project was initiated. But it was something that went out to bid and it began during the previous administration. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Has it had one consistent project manager since its initiation, or has it bounced around? MR. PAUSE: It's not had one consistent project manager within our department, that's correct. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: It has not? Page 7 FC-31 March 19, 2024 MR. PAUSE: Correct. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. And one thing caught my attention that bugs me, and being in the construction industry, and then having to run projects, but when you said that this had required an elevated floor given that it was initially done as a slab, is that correct? MR. PAUSE: Yes. My understanding was the initial design called for a slab and then because they needed to do cabling and such that the decision was made by the architect and the folks running the project at the time to put in a raised floor design. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So, the building has a slab with a raised floor on top of it, or is -- MR. PAUSE: The raised floor would be in the areas where they need to do wiring and cabling for the computer equipment. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So, you have a concrete slab building, and then in some portions of the building we have installed an elevated floor on top of the slab? MR. PAUSE: That's my understanding, yes. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That is, I think that does show a true lack of ability on someone's behalf to develop a good set of plans and adhere to something that makes sense. MR. PAUSE: Well, there were also changes in the Building Code. And yeah, I wouldn't disagree with you. There could've been a little bit more work done upfront. I will confess, I wasn't here at the time but there may have been challenges with the people wanting to get this thing out to bid and start it before it was really ready for prime time. You know, that's a common occurrence where projects aren't quite ready or maybe all the options haven't been evaluated yet decisions are made, and people move forward. But yeah, there's been a significant number of design changes after the fact, which we would all agree is not the best way to do things and ultimately costs all of us more money to complete. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Yeah, I'm thinking about it like an electrician would. In my line of work, if you skip and you miss conduits in the ground or in the walls, you're either going to find a way around it or you're going to cut slabs open and install those channels or conduits to run wires in. But it's a heartbreaking moment when you realize you've missed one conduit out of ten and they've in the walls or they've done the slab, because you have no options, and Page 8 FC-31 March 19, 2024 you have to figure something out. So, a revelation on that scale for this size of a building with this intent of it being a call center and housing our servers was just a real big miss. So, definitely worth the review. And then having worked in the same field and having worked with Julann as our state level, change order person, I think you're truly in good hands right now because she really does propel herself in that field. So, it's wonderful to know that she's in charge of the project at this point. I think that's what you had said. MR. PAUSE: Yes. That's correct. In addition to managing and making our building permitting system better, we let her manage projects as well. So, as you said, we're very fortunate to have her here. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. Yes, I agree. Thank you, Mr. Pause. With that, seeing no more discussion, we do have the motion on the floor. Thank you very much for being here, Director, to answer these questions. We do have the motion on the floor to close file on Communication 13.28, all in favor? Vote on Comm. 13.28: The motion to close file on Comm. 13.28 was carried by Filed the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Kagiwada — 1. Excused: None. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Communication 13.29, please. Comm. 13.29: REPORT OF CHANGE ORDERS AUTHORIZED: JANUARY lb -- 31 2024 From Finance Director Diane Nakagawa, dated February 20, 2024, transmitting the above report pursuant to Section 2-12.3 of the Hawaii County Code. Motion to Close File: Mr. Inaba moved to close file on Comm. 13.29. Seconded by Ms. Galimba. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Discussion? Council Member Kimball. MS. KIMBALL: Yeah, I think the one that stands out on this one is pretty obvious, Hilo Wastewater. So, I don't know if we have Director of Environmental Management or if Finance Director would like to speak to this pretty significant change order. Page 9 FC-31 March 19, 2024 (Note: At this time, Environmental Management Director Ramzi I. Mansour came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. MANSOUR: Hello, can you hear me? CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: We can hear you. Go ahead, Director. MR. MANSOUR: Okay. Aloha and thank you. The numbers before you pertain to modification to the current consulting professional agreement that we have with Carollo Engineering. If you recall, we have the Hilo Waste Treatment Plan was designed last year and it was bid out, and the amount for the bidding came about $74 million over the budgeted amount and we only had one contractor bid that project. So, that allowed us to go back and kind of redraw different strategies. We had to go modify the actual construction documents and the plans and combine other items to it so we could bid it next month. So, some of that modification in that professional service includes repackaging the Hilo Waste Treatment Plan, construction documents, and the plans itself, and that's ready and it's going to go out to bid April 27th, I believe. Part of that also we had included last year a warehouse to be able to store some of the equipment and products that is being used. And when we bid it last year, we asked the contractor to kind of design build that, that warehouse. So, this time around we took the design out of the equation and we're going to have a local consultant do the design, and that's the reason there's also a portion of that, about $150,000 just for the design of that. So, it's taken out of the original contract. In addition to that, we included Phase II design for the conventional activated sludge as part of this contract as well. Given the fact that Carollo is the one that's familiar with the side, because it's all connected, intertwined together, so they're working on a design for Phase II for conventional activated sludge rather than the current system we have which is by a tripling filter. The conventional activated sludge is going to give us a more better quality of effluent once the water is treated. I know that was a major concern to our constituents on the flow of the wastewater and the amount of nutrients the current system produces versus the new conventional activated sludge is going to produce. So, with the new system as was planned, is to control the quality of the effluent by allowing nutrient controls even though it's not currently within the permit, but it's an environmentally better designed for the island. And that's what all the amendments of the agreement stand for. And all of that work, our budget usually gales of thumb, you have about 10 percent of design cost. We anticipate the Hilo facility between Phase I and Phase II with the conventional activated sludge, it'll cost us in the range of probably $310 million. Ten percent out of that is $30 milIion. We were able to Page 10 FC-31 March 19, 2024 negotiate it within five to six percent to get us through. So, we are within budget for the design aspect of that project. Thank you. MS. KIMBALL: Thank you, Director. So, just to summarize, my understanding of what you said is essentially, we are getting an entirely additional phase with this basic doubling of the design fee because we've gone not only just the Phase I design, but also the Phase II design through to the activated sludge production stage, in which case that, you know, for me that makes sense. We're just basically, we're getting two phases here instead of just the one. Then I can understand that adjustment and there's probably some cost benefits I would imagine to combining them. Am I understanding you correctly? MR. MANSOUR: Yes. Like I said, when we received last year's bid and it came high, we had to go back and rethink how we're going to package and put the project and the activated sludge. It's going to be the Phase II of this Hilo Waste Treatment Plan. And it makes sense to design it now and we're working on the design so we could be able to bid it out within the same time as Phase I being constructed. MS. KIMBALL: Great, Okay. Thank you for the clarification. I yield, Chair. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. So, we're going to Hilo. Hearing nothing. Further discussion here in Kona? Hearing and seeing none, motion is on the floor to close file on Communication 13.29. All in favor? Vote on Comm. 13.29: The motion to close file on Comm. 13.29 was carried by Filed the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Kagiwada — 1. Excused: None. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Communication 13.30, please. Comm. 13.30: REPORT OF CHANGE ORDERS AUTHORIZED: FEBRUARY 1 — 15 2024 From Finance Director Diane Nakagawa, dated February 21, 2024, transmitting the above report pursuant to Section 2-12.3 of the Hawaii County Code. Motion to Close File: Mr. Inaba moved to close file on Comm. 13.30. Seconded by Ms. Galimba. Page 11 FC-31 March 19, 2024 CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Discussion from the Council? Council Member Galimba. MS. GALIMBA: Thank you. I wanted to take the opportunity, seeing Director (Maurice) Messina here. I see the Pahala swimming pool is on, could you give us a little update on that project and the change order? MR. MANSOUR: I'm sorry, is that for me or Director Messina? CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That's for Director Messina. MR. MANSOUR: Okay. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. (Note: At this time, Parks and Recreation Director Maurice Messina came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. MESSINA: Good morning, Council Members, Maurice Messina, Director of Parks and Recreation. Yes, we had to cancel the prior construction contract because the prior contractor did not meet our time that we wanted, so we had to repackage everything and send it out again. So, that's what the change order was for. MS. GALIMBA: Thanks. I'm kind of just taking advantage of it being on the agenda just to ask you how we're doing with that pool and if you had a timeline. You could send it too in a Gantt chart. I Iove Gantt charts, if you could send it to me offline, that would be good too. But yeah, if you could maybe just give us a general idea how things are going. MR. MESSINA: Yeah, our original estimate was to have the pool open by the time school opens this next school year. We did have some problems when we uncovered the pool basin underneath. It's actually built on, you know, because where it is it's built on volcanic ash, and we did find some leaks and some cracks in the base in itself. So, we're getting a structural engineer to come out and look at it and just see, is the underlayer under the basin, has that been compromised? So, that's our biggest issue right now, is the basin itself. And some of the plans that we see of how it was actually built is not what we're seeing when we uncovered it. So, that's our biggest delay right now. MS. GALIMBA: Thank you. So, possibly by next school year or is that looking pretty doubtful now? MR. MESSINA: We're looking this calendar year. Page 12 PC-31 March 19, 2024 MS. GALIMBA: This calendar year, yeah. By the end of this calendar year, by the end of 2024? MR. MESSINA: Yes. Yes, that's our goal right now. This calendar year. MS. GALIMBA: Okay, Alright. Great. Got it. Yes. Thanks. Thanks very much for that update. MR. MESSINA: You're welcome. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Going to Hilo. Council Member Lee Loy, anything? Okay. Mr. Messina, one follow up regarding this change order. The electrical upgrades, renovations, whatever you want to call them, for change orders, it talks about four different sites given onsite discoveries for needed changes. Electrical service replacements at various park sites. Just wondering what those four individual parks and those sites were that necessitated changes? MR. MESSINA: Unfortunately, I don't have that answer for you right now. But give me 15 to 20 minutes and I'll have you that answer. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: You can get me that offline. MR. MESSINA: Okay. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Having spent some time recently in the Lili`uokalani Gardens and watching the pump station that drives the sewer system there, it stop working in the middle of a very busy event, just wondering if that was one of the sites that we're looking at applying some funding towards. MR. MESSINA: So, Lili`uokalani— MS. LEE LOY: Chair? Sorry to interrupt, but Reid is here, Director Messina, with some of that background information and might be able to add an answer to these questions. CHR. KANEALPI-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy, Mr. Sewake, go ahead. (Note: At this time, Parks and Recreation Business Manager Reid Sewake came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. SEWAKE: Reid Sewake, Business Manager. Yeah, so I have two of the four you're asking for. So, one of them was Laupahoehoe Senior Center. The consultant discovered some additional services that need to be performed there. Page 13 FC-3 1 March 19, 2024 And the other one was Kamehameha Park, we need to expand some electrical service to the ball field lighting systems. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. If you could give me the other two. Doesn't need to be right now. MR. SEWAKE: Okay. Sounds good. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Okay. Any further discussion? Hearing and seeing none, motion is on the floor to close file on Communication 13.30. All in favor? Vote on Comm. 13.30: The motion to close file on Comm. 13.30 was carried by Filed the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kiineah'i-Kleinfelder -- 8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Kagiwada — 1. Excused: None. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Resolution 450-24, please. ORDER OF The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, RESOLUTIONS: Order of Resolutions. Res. 450-24: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT IN THE GEOTHERMAL RELOCATION AND COMMUNITY BENEFITS FUND TO ENHANCE THE FACILITIES AND PARK GROUNDS AT THE WILLIAM `BILLY" KENOI DISTRICT PARK Allocates $37,000 for improvements to the Pdhoa Aquatic Center, appliances and equipment for the Pdhoa Neighborhood Facility, and the addition of memorial plaques honoring the contributions made by Mayor William `Billy" Kenoi and Madie Greene. Reference: Comm, 762 Intr. by: Ms. Kierkiewicz Motion to Approve: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to recommend adoption of Res. 450-24. Seconded by Mr. Inaba. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Council Members? Page 14 PC-31 March 19, 2024 MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. First, I want to just take a moment to mahalo nui Dorothy Staskawicz. She was the only testifier actually today, to speak to this particular resolution. But she has the biggest heart for our community, for swimming, for kids, and she is just seeing how that particular sport has really helped to build confidence in kids and really change their trajectory, just by having a positive activity in their life. She reached out to my office and to Director Messina asking for certain investments to be made at our Pahoa Aquatics Center to do scoreboards, line delineations, and while it may seem like a small investment, this will increase Pahoa's ability to host swim competitions statewide level, national level. We actually have done that in the past, but really not at a level that I think we would like because we just didn't have the proper equipment in place. And so, because we have this Geothermal Community Benefits Fund available to support the lower Puna community, we are asking for this particular request. We've worked in partnership with Parks and Rec, and I think Director Messina can speak to this, to coordinate the efficient purchase of this particular scoring system and its installation so that it can be used rather quickly. While we're at it, also took a moment to talk story with some of the folks that are staffing and maintaining our gymnasium at the William Kenoi Park. And so, they identified a couple of needs that would certainly help when members of the public are there utilizing our facilities. And then finally, we wanted to move forward on ensuring that some of the key folks that were instrumental in ensuring the build -out of this very special park were honored. So, some of the funding will be utilized to purchase memorial plaques for Mayor Kenoi and a mana wahine of Puna, unofficial Mayor of Pahoa, Aunty Madie Greene, who we've recently lost. So, happy to answer any questions. But, Director, wanted to give you an opportunity to kind of speak to our partnership here and your department's ability to move on procuring these items should the resolution pass. (Note: At this time, Parks and Recreation Director Maurice Messina came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. MESSINA: Thank you, Council Member Kierkiewicz, Maurice Messina, Director of Parks and Recreation. The movement with Pahoa Park is just another one of our initiatives to make our Parks and Rec facilities and our recreation facilities destinations for statewide tournaments, national tournaments, and even hosting of Olympic trials. Dorothy from Pahoa, you know, she's been championing the aquatics recreation at Pahoa for quite a while now. And last month we had a very successful statewide swim meet at KCAL (Kona Community Aquatic Center) Pool in Kona, and we feel that by putting this equipment at Pahoa pool will also be able to bring more of these activities to Page 15 FC-31 March 19, 2024 Puna, help the community, help all the businesses there, and have some of these very large events. As far as the recreation components of it, in the gym, this is going to help us with a new refrigerator, microwave, and clean areas for when people come and rent our concessions, or we do a very large event. And of course, the plaque for Billy Kenoi and Aunty Madie, and then the tree for her. We feel that this is just what's seriously appropriate for Puna. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Director, for being here. Just looking to my colleagues for their support. Thank you. I yield. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Discussion, Council Members? MS. LEE LOY: Yes, Chair, CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Council Member Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: You know, I stand in full support. I just wanted my colleague, Ms. Kierkiewicz, to recognize you have Dorothy almost in tears here in the Council Chambers. Just so full of gratitude. You know, this is one sport that is really challenging when it comes to athletes. Building pools are not cheap, but there is a lot of success that kids can have all the way through to the Olympics whether it's swimming, diving, it really is a wholesome way to take care of our kids. So, I wanted to share that because everybody is a little choked up over here because of Dorothy. Thank you. I yield. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Dorothy, I wish I could be there to give you a hug. Thank you for your perseverance for doing the hard work to identify the kinds of systems and equipment that are most conducive to our Pahoa Aquatic Center. Thanks for believing in our kids and giving us this opportunity to invest in our community because our residents of Puna are super proud of, you know, what we bring to the table. I think this is another way that we are going to absolutely allow for our kids to just shine. So, thank you for your advocacy and your commitment to Puna. Chair, I yield. CHR, KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Seeing no further discussion. My comments on this are simple. Fully support and then completely within the desire an appropriate use of funding for the geothermal fund. So, well done. With that, motion is on the floor to forward Resolution 450-24 to Council with a favorable recommendation. All in favor? Page 16 FC-31 March 19, 2024 Vote on Res. 450-24: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 450-24 was (Approved) carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder --- 7. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Kagiwada, and Kimball -- 2. Excused: None. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Resolution 451-24, please. Res. 451-24: AUTHORIZES THE PAYMENT OF FUNDS OF A LATER FISCAL YEAR AND OF MORE THAN ONE FISCAL YEAR FOR MULTI -YEAR LEASES OF THREE FIRE APPARATUS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT Authorizes the Mayor to enter into five-year lease agreements with an approximate monthly cost of $27,998 for a replacement hazmat truck for the Kaumana Fire Station and an approximate monthly cost of $37,330 for two replacement engines for the Pahoa and Volcano Fire Stations. Reference: Comm.765 Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder (B/R) Motion to Approve: Mr. Inaba moved to recommend adoption of Res. 451-24. Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Council Members, any discussion? Council Member Kierkiewicz, go ahead. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. Is there anyone from Fire Department in Council Chambers or on Zoom? MS. LEE LOY: Yes. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Hi, Nikol. Good morning, Chief. (Note: At this time, Assistant Fire Chief Darwin Okinaka and Accountant Nikol Lonokapu came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. LONOKAPU: Hi. Good morning. Nikol Lonokapu, Accountant, Fire Department. MR. OKINAKA: Darwin Okinaka, Assistant Fire Chief, Fire Department. Page 17 FC-31 March 19, 2024 MS. KIERKIEWICZ: You understand the assignment. Thank you for being here. This is a pretty significant investment. Apparatus is not cheap. $1.5 million for a hazmat truck, and at least $2 million for each fire truck, is that correct? MR. OKINAKA: No. About a million each. So, $2 million for both fire trucks, fire engines. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chief, I'm having a very hard time hearing you. Can you speak into the mic? MR. OKINAKA: Sure. Can you hear me now? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Perfect. MR. OKINAKA: Okay. So, the $2 million is for both fire engines. The hazmat vehicle, because of all the complexities, is the $1.5 million, and then the fire engines itself are about a million. And these are estimated costs. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: These are estimated costs. Okay. So, $3.5 million for these three particular apparatus. And then who is the manufacturer going to be for this? Because my understanding is that, is it KME or KMD, is no longer going to be manufacturing fire trucks. MR. OKINAKA: To answer the initial question, we do not know because it has to go out to bid. So, there's various companies that can bid. KME is one of them. You know, there's Pierce (Manufacturing), there's a number of apparatus manufacturers that can build these apparatus. Once we put it out to bid, you know, of course the procurement process will identify who is the preferred vendor, and then, you know, the decision will be at that time. But yeah, like you mentioned, KME, that specific vendor closed but I think they're transferred to their parent company. They have multiple apparatus manufacturers under one parent company. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. And the predominant brand of trucks that we have in the department are KMD and Pierce? MR. OKINAKA: KME or Pierce, correct. KME. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay. Thank you. I'm just curious because when I think about the maintenance and the parts and often times, we'll, you know, sunset older vehicles but we'll make use of the parts for other vehicles. It's just good to know what we have available in our stock. Page 18 FC-31 March 19, 2024 MR, OKINAKA: Correct. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: And then do you want to kind of speak to sort of the life of these apparatus that you are changing out? Because sometimes I think you go beyond their natural shelf life because we have to make do with what we got. So, what these vehicles are seeing, the mileage, how we're really utilizing them, and we're really at a critical point where they absolutely need to be changed out. Do you want to share some of those details with us? MR. OKINAKA: Sure. So, the most significant is our hazmat apparatus. That's a 1997 model. So, it's 27 years old at the moment. So, that's in dire need of being replaced, and that's the primary apparatus that we're planning on replacing this year, or at least procuring this year. With the current situation with apparatus builds, and it's across the board, right. I think everybody understands that due to the COVID (Coronavirus Disease) pandemic, everything's delayed. So, you know, what would typically take about a year to build once the contract was awarded is upwards of three years maybe now, depending, to build, which is why we initiated the two fire engines which was actually scheduled to be purchased next year or procured next year. But we wanted to start the process because it'll be, you know, three possibly even four years, you know, we're not sure of what the exact timeframe is. But it's definitely well over two years now at the very least to build a fire apparatus of this type. So, we just wanted to start the process, and that's why we have this up now. The other two, to answer the question, the fire engine for volcano, that's the second oldest apparatus, which is a 2006 model. So, 18 years old. And the Pahoa one, the Engine 10, is actually a little newer. However, because of the call volume in Pahoa and the amount of use and the type of use that the engine gets, our mechanic shop is recommending replacing that prior, in front of the next oldest apparatus. So, the Pahoa truck is a 2012 model, which is 12 years. Our typical replacement, we're looking at around 15 years is what our goal is. So, these are all right around that timeframe if not past it anyway. But that's kind of what we're looking at for frontline apparatus. MS. KiERKIEWICZ; Chief, thank you for all of that information and sharing those details, and you and Nikol just being so proactive in getting these RFP's (Request For Proposal) out these so we can kind of stay ahead of everything. Final question I have is, like the housing of the apparatus, is there adequate like facility space? I'm thinking like, canopy tents, sheds or whatever to protect our investment? And I bring it up because I was recently at Station 18, and I know that one of our fire trucks are not fully covered by a canopy tent. And so, if we're going to make these really big investments, I just want to make sure we're protecting our assets. Page 19 FC-31 March 19, 2024 MR. OKINAKA: These three stations have adequate housing for our apparatus, for frontline apparatus. So, for these three, yes, they have. Pahoa Fire Station is a beautiful station. So, it'Il be replacing the current Engine 10. Same for Engine 19, you know, it's an open bay up in Volcano, but there is a roof over the apparatus. And then, in Kaumana Fire Station, we're replacing that apparatus. So, it would be fitting right in the bay where the current Hazmat d is. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Beautiful. Thank you for your leadership on this. Going to be wholeheartedly supporting. MR. OKfNAKA: Thank you. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, I yield. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Further discussion from the Council? MS. LEE LOY: Yes, Chair. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. Thanks, guys, for being here. I just had a question. Love the way the thought process, forward thinking about what's old, what needs replacement, and then how we house it. But I had another question and maybe we can have this conversation offline, is there buying power if you go to the other counties who are looking at repair and replacing some of their assets like fire trucks, and buying these pieces of equipment as a state rather than individual counties? And I'm asking that question because we did it with Water Supply where they've got to buy pumps and pipes, right, to go check everybody across the state; uniforms, right, uniform purchases, and rather than purchasing individually by county, looking at a statewide ask to get better costs. And if you don't have that answer, it's okay. MR. OKINAKA: I can answer I guess part of it. I'm not sure in totality how that would work I guess because of budget availability; it might be different. You know, like Oahu, they buy upwards of six apparatus a year. You know, when we went to previous builds, you see them just lined up, you know, if they purchased from the same manufacturer. The other counties, again, it's all based on funding. The difference is the specifications. The actual build of the truck would be different, but we could potentially submit various, you know, specifications for different trucks as a whole. I think it'll just be coordinating and timing of all of that with everybody else. I think some people has the liberty of just because of the budgeting right, do it a lot quicker than we could. So, I guess the concept is a possibility, but I'm not sure exactly how, you know, the coordination part of it would work. Page 20 FC-31 March 19, 2024 MS. LEE LOY: Thank you for that. And I think we're all trying to work smarter not harder. We're all looking out for the constituency's dollars, right? And if there's ways to partner with our fellow firefighters in counties and, you know, buying cars together, whatever, just hopefully we can get a better deal in the end, right? MR. OKINAKA: Potentially. I think one part, if I may just add on to that is because of the current situation in the vehicle apparatus manufacturing world, right, and the availability of it is the other thing. I mean, we're buying pickup trucks for our rescue and hazmat stations in fact, to tow the trailers and stuff that they have. And even those are taking over a year to get for just a simple pickup truck because the manufacturing availability. Supplies are a lot lower than demand. So, it's difficult to get. But just an added point. MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. Thank you. In support of. Thanks, Chair, for the latitude. I yield. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Council Member Inaba. MR. INABA: Yes. Just to confirm, these are leases that result in us owning them like other vehicle purchases, correct? MS. LONOKAPU: Correct. MR. INABA: And based on the fleet replacement plan that you folks have, how long do we expect these vehicles to remain in service. MR. OKINAKA: Like I said, the goal is around a 15-year timeframe to replace. Of course, there's a lot of factors that would play into that, mainly budget, and apparatus availability. But we're kind of looking around that timeframe for our goal at least for replacing them. The next up will be, you know, like Makalei and Kealakekua, which are 2006, 2007 year models. So, again the timeframe there already, you know, pushing 20 years. And by the time we get them, it'll be well over 20 years. So, you know, as much as we would like to get it sooner, you know, the availability and the opportunity to purchase them might not be there. But that is the goal, 15 to 20 years. MR. INABA: Okie dokies. Thank you very much. Chair, I yield. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Any further discussion? Thank you both for your time this morning. I have one question for you. The number of times in the past Office of the Corporation Counsel's come forward to ask about payments for damages due to some of our county vehicles banging other vehicles. Does this RFP or can it include the installation of reverse cameras or backup cameras for some of these large apparatuses? Page 21 FC-31 March 19, 2024 MR. OKINAKA: Yeah, in fact, starting these builds here, we are initiating that very thing. It's actually more than just a reverse camera, it's what they call a 360 degree camera. So, it has an opportunity to kind of visualize the entire apparatus. I don't know exactly how it works, but it's called a 3D camera. It's kind of a trend that's in the fire service now. So, we have included that in our apparatus, in these specifications and everything moving forward. That is the goal. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That is wonderful news and I look forward to seeing how that works for the department. Thank you. Awesome. Okay. With that, seeing no further discussion, we do have the motion on the floor to forward Resolution 451-24 to Council with a favorable recommendation. Thank you very much for your time today. All in favor? Vote on Res. 451-24: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 451-24 was (Approved) carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder -- 8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Kagiwada — 1. Excused: None. CHR, KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Last order of the day, please. BILLS FOR The Chair directed the Conunittee to proceed to the next order of business, ORDINANCES: Bills for Ordinances. Bill 141: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO.23-50, AS AMENDED, THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAI`I FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30 2024 Increases revenues in the Elderly Recreation Services account ($55,000); and appropriates the same to the Elderly Recreation Services account, for a total appropriation of $195,000. Funds would be used to provide recreational classes to seniors 55 years of age and older. Reference: Comm.766 Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder (B/R) Motion to Approve: Mr. Inaba moved to recommend passage of Bill 141 on first reading. Seconded by Ms. Kimball. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: This was brought to our Committee by request by the department. Mr. Messina, or Hilo, Mr. Sewake, thank you for Page 22 FC-31 March 19, 2024 joining us today. Can you give us some background? I like the background report just for everyone's information. Sorry, I didn't see the other person. I can only see the back of Reid's head. (Note: At this time, Elderly Activities Division Director Roann Okamura came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS, OKAMURA: Roann Okamura, Elderly Activities Division Director. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. MS. OKAMURA: Just to give you a Iittle bit of background, we're asking for this request for our senior recreation classes. A pivotal thing happened in 2020. Generation X became seniors so, we're in our fourth year of servicing four generations of seniors. So, we really didn't have a tracking mechanism because of COVID, and so right now we're seeing a big surge in participation in our classes. That's why the request for the additional $55,000. CHR KANEALPI-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Thank you for that background. That's actually wonderful news. Council, discussion on the measure? Council Member Kierkiewicz, go ahead. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you, Chair. Hi, Roann. Great to see you. Thank you for doing this, I'm curious to know if the expansion of classes is going to mean that more County facilities or partner sites can be utilized to deliver some of these services. Like, I think about not every subdivision around our island is lucky to have like a County managed community center. There might be associations that have community centers. So, I'm just wondering if this opportunity is also going to be available in non -County run sites, but also where you're filling in the gap in communities that might not have had a service. MS. OKAMURA: So, good question, We are looking at our facility utilization. I do have a chart that I keep updated. The only area that we're really not servicing right now is Kailua-Kona. And we are working on opening up a program at Lei Kupuna, which is a senior housing right in Kailua. And we're looking at where the trends are, where the interest is for the classes. Right now, Kamana Senior Center is the largest learning center for seniors, It generates about I would say 70 percent of the revenue, this money that we're talking about. And the bulk of the money is used for rec educators. So, it depends where we can acquire rec educators to teach within the district, and of course the requests coming from the community. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Roann, give us a quick example of how much it would cost to say, do an ukulele lesson or take a ceramics class at Kamana Senior Center? Page 23 FC-31 March 19, 2024 MS. OKAMURA: Right now, it's $10 for ten weeks but we're going to be upping that next fiscal year because, you know, it's not trending according to inflation. We've had that rate since 1975. So, we are looking at upping that. So, an individual, if they come to the class, it's $10 for ten weeks of instruction, and more importantly for socialization, for them to feel like they have a sense of belonging in their community. We have four quarters a year. So, if you took ukulele the whole year, it'll cost you $40 right now for 40 weeks of classes. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: That is really fantastic. I do support a small increase but ensuring that it is still affordable to our kupuna who often live on a fixed income. I remember calling Kamana Senior Center one time because I wanted to participate in some of the classes, and apparently, you have to be a senior. MS. OKAMURA: Yes. MS, KIERKIEWICZ: I just love the idea of like intergenerational relationships and connections. And so, it would be really cool to maybe pilot some of that in certain communities where mo`opuna, younger generations have an opportunity to connect with our kupuna. MS. OKAMURA: Yeah. We've done a few intergencrational programs, like the summer fun program in Kohala and in Waimea, and they were successful. And we haven't done that since COVE), you know, so we are planning on revisiting that maybe next summer. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you so much. In full support of this. I yield. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Any further discussion? MS. LEE LOY: Yes, Chair. CHR, KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Council Member Lee Loy, go ahead. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, thank you. You know, it's funny that Council Member Kierkiewicz was just in line with me, because that's where I was. I was looking at, you know, this seems like such a modest request for our seniors. And, you know, to your point, Roann, everything's going up. And I was just wondering if there's an opportunity to find more money just so we could kind of maintain that cost. I hear you loud and clear, $10. But that's for our seniors. Any thoughts? MS. OKAMURA: So, you know, I've been in the field of gerontology for 45 years, so I always watch the trends. We do have plans in place to make sure that the program continues, and we'll be able to, you know, expand our programs throughout the island. Right now, we have about 40 sites around the island that we offer programs and services. So, I do have a short-term plan, which includes Page 24 FC-31 March 19, 2024 next fiscal, and then also mid -range plans and long-range plans, yeah, based on the demographics and the fact that we're dealing with four generations of seniors right now. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah. You know, and I've got to tell my colleagues. Roann was my former boss, actually. I spent a year under her mentorship and really understand this program very intimately. My question two is, in addition to the fees that our seniors pay, I know that we provide equipment like sewing machines for their sewing classes. Where are we on all of the equipment and or items necessary to run programs, and ground golf is another big one that we have a sister cities partnership with, where is all of our equipment and replacement costs for all of that? Thanks, Reid. (Note: At this time, Business Manager Reid Sewake came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. SEWAKE: Yes. So, this particular request is for our matching account where our expenditures are limited to the revenues we collect. Yeah, so a bunch of it is the salary and wages. But we also do purchase equipment out of that account as well. So, if not at that account, then it would have to be one of our County funded accounts. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, thanks, guys. I think budget's coming soon. MS. OKAMURA: Yeah, we try to stay fiscally sound using the contributions that we collect through the registration fees. And then we always look at our inventory to see where things are aging out, and I've applied for a few grants in the past for vehicles, you know, and programs. So, just trying to be fiscally sound with the money that we have. MS. LEE LOY: Yeah. Thanks, Roann. Thanks, Reid. You know, they also like to go golf, not just get ground golf, but they like to go golf, too. So, those things cost money. Thanks. Thank you, Chair. In support. I yield. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. Okay. Seeing no discussion. It's just wonderful to hear that we're seeing more participation. COVID really, I know, put a damper on everything, especially our elderly recreational services. So, to see a jump in the numbers and a want for more services and the ability on our behalf to do that for our community, well done. Thank you. With that, we do have the motion on the floor to forward Bill 141 to Council with a favorable recommendation. All in favor? Page 25 FC-31 Vote on Bill 141: (Approvedl ADJOURN- MENT: Approved: Mr. Matt Finance March 19, 2024 The motion to recommend passage of Bill 141 on first reading was carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Kagiwada — 1. Excused: None. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: May I have a motion to adjourn, please? There being no further business, at 11:17 a.m., Mr. Inaba moved to adjourn the meeting. Seconded by Ms. Kimball and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Evans, Galimba, Inaba, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Lee Loy, Villegas, and Chair Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder — 8. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Member Kagiwada — 1. Excused: None. CHR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: We are adjourned, and it is 11:17 a.m. `i-Kleinfelder, l s' (Dat ) Page 26