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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN FC 2024/09/16 (2022-2024)Committee on Finance 44th Session West Hawaii Civic Center 74-5044 Ane Keohokdlole Highway, Building A Kailua-Kona, Hawaii September 16, 2024 CALL TO The regular meeting of the Committee on Finance was called to order at ORDER: 3:01 p.m., in the Council Chambers, Kailua-Kona, by Ms. Cindy Evans, Acting Chair. ROLL CALL: Present: Ms. Cindy Evans, Vice Chair Ms. Jenn Kagiwada, Member (via videoconference from Hilo) Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member (via videoconference from Hilo) Ms. Heather L. Kimball, Member (via videoconference from Hilo) Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member Absent & Excused: Ms. Michelle M. Galimba, Member Mr. Holeka Goro Inaba, Member Mr. Matt Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder, Member Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items. PURTIC ON AGENDA ITEMS: (There were none.) COMMUNI- The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, CATIONS: Communications. Comm. 12.39: REPORT OF FUND TRANSFERS AUTHORIZED: JUNE 16 — 30,2024 AND AUGUST I — 15, 2024 From Controller Kay Oshiro, dated August 23, 2024. Motion to Close File: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to close file on Comm. 12.39. Seconded by Ms. Kagiwada. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Do we have someone from Finance in the Hilo Chamber? MS. KAGIWADA: Yes, we do. Director is coming up. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Alright. Thank you. FC-44 September 16, 2024 (Note: At this time, Finance Director Diane Nakagawa came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. NAKAGAWA: Good afternoon. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Thank you for being here. This is a fund transfer. Can you tell us —do you have any questions? Members, any questions on this? I have a question. And it's going from a youth community center to a domestic abuse shelter, it said Phase 2 improvement, so was this like they came in under budget and finished their project? MS. NAKAGAWA: Good afternoon, Council Members. Diane Nakagawa, Finance Department. I would also like to take this quick moment to introduce Reid Sewake. He is our Assistant Controller. And thank you for the support in his position. We are happy to have him in Finance. So, Reid Sewake, our Assistant Controller. To your question, I looks like the construction contract came in over budget, and so they moved funds from a project that was cancelled. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Okay. Alright, good. Okay. Members, we have a motion before us. All in favor? Vote on Comm. 12.39: The motion to close file on Comm. 12.39 was carried by Filed the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Villegas, and Acting Chair Evans — 5. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Galimba, Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, and Lee Loy — 4. Excused: None. Comm. 13.41: REPORT OF CHANGE ORDERS AUTHORIZED: JULY 1 — 15 2024 From Finance Director Diane Nakagawa, dated August 22, 2024, transmitting the above report pursuant to Section 2-12.3 of the Hawaii County Code. Vote on Comm. 13.41 Filed Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to close file on Comm. 13.41. Seconded by Ms. Kagiwada and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Villegas, and Acting Chair Evans — 5. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Galimba, Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, and Lee Loy — 4. Excused: None. Page 2 FC-44 September 16, 2024 Comm. 13.42: REPORT OF CHANGE ORDERS AUTHORIZED: JULY 16 — 31, 2024 From Finance Director Diane Nakagawa, dated August 23, 2024, transmitting the above report pursuant to Section 2-12.3 of the Hawaii County Code. Vote on Comm. 13.42: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to close file on Comm. 13.42. (Filed) Seconded by Ms. Kagiwada and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Villegas, and Acting Chair Evans — 5. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Galimba, Inaba, Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder, and Lee Loy — 4. Excused: None. From Finance Director Diane Nakagawa, dated August 15, 2024, submitting the above inventory report pursuant to Section 103D-1208 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes. Motion to Close File: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to close file on Comm. 1014. Seconded by Ms. Kagiwada. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Members, any discussion? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, just a comment. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Yes, please. Member Kierkiewicz. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. This is a very comprehensive list of everything that is owned by the County. Director Nakagawa, just hoping that going forward, rather than having to download a very extensive document, there could be some sort of dashboard that Council Members, the public, can navigate as part of the new financial management system you are investing in. (Note: At this time, Finance Director Diane Nakagawa came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. NAKAGAWA: Yes, Council Member Kierkiewicz. So, I think the new system has two things. One, as we've continued to talk about, is making the information that we provide easier for the public to understand. Just as equally important, the new system will also provide greater efficiency for our internal County team. This report takes an enormous amount of time and double triple entries, and those types of efficiencies will save us a lot of hours in the long run and also reduce risk of errors. So, both on the internal workings of this report Page 3 FC-44 September 16, 2024 and also externally to be able to comprehend this information in a much easier way than four hundred plus pages. Yes. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Fantastic. Thank you, Chair. No other questions from Hilo. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Thank you. We have Hamana Ventura in our chambers. Would you like to come up? I have a question. Unless, members, any other —I don't hear anybody else. I wanted to ask a question about assuming land and easement. Some of these, when you do inventory, I'm wondering things like, if it's stuff we have under our control, which would be executive order, leases, lease to purchase possibly, and then things where we have fee title, so is it comprehensive when we look at like the land and easement, it covers all those different things and do you have them by category. (Note: At this time, Property Manager Hamana Ventura came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. VENTURA: Thank you. Hamana Ventura, Property Manager. So, the system as it's set up is an inventory of all property that falls under County of Hawaii, including departments. But it's not going to tell you if it's something that's potentially in the works to be purchased. We haven't reached that point in our platform yet. ACTING CHR. EVANS: So we do this once a year? MR. VENTURA: Correct. ACTING CHR. EVANS: So, even if we are —it won't show up if we're leasing it. It'll only show up if we own it? MR. VENTURA: We also have lease properties that we lease, but when you're talking as far as County inventory for easements and fee simple purchases, they'll show up. ACTING CHR. EVANS: It'll all show up. Is it your staff's responsibility to do the entry and keep this up? MR. VENTURA: Yes. ACTING CHR. EVANS: I understand you are short some staff for a while. It must've been a heavy lift. MR. VENTURA: Yes. Definitely. Page 4 FC-44 September 16, 2024 ACTING CHR. EVANS: Yeah, you don't do the buildings and structures; I assume that's how it works? MR. VENTURA: No. Buildings and structures also fall under Property Management in addition to Public Works. ACTING CHR. EVANS: You also work with them at Public Works? MR. VENTURA: Yes. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Okay. So, fixed asset is not you? MR. VENTURA: Pardon me? ACTING CHR. EVANS: Fixed assets? MR. VENTURA: Fixed assets is Property Management. ACTING CHR. EVANS: It's yours too? MR. VENTURA: Yes. ACTING CHR. EVANS: You have a lot. Okay. I just wanted to get a little more clarity about —yeah. This is a lot of pages, a lot of work. So, I want to thank you, thank your staff for that. MR. VENTURA: Thank you. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Thank you. Members, any other questions? See none, all in favor? Vote on Comm. 10 14: The motion to close file on Comm. 1014 was carried by (Filed) the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Villegas, and Acting Chair Evans — 5. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Galimba, Inaba, Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder, and Lee Loy — 4. Excused: None. ORDER OF The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, RESOLUTIONS: Order of Resolutions. Page 5 FC-44 September 16, 2024 Res. 612-24: AUTHORIZES THE ACCEPTANCE OF TWENTY-SIX PORTABLE GENERATORS FROM THE STATE OF HAWAPI, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, HAWAPI EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY The donation to the Civil Defense Agency, with an estimated value of $15,619.47, would be used to enhance the department's local emergency capabilities. Reference: Comm. 1018 Intr. by: Mr. Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder (B/R) Motion to Approve: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to recommend adoption of Res. 612-24. Seconded by Ms. Kagiwada. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Members, any questions? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, I'll just note that Barry Periatt with the Hawaii County Civil Defense Agency is here. I'm assuming that they have coordinated this donation from HIEMA (Hawai'i Emergency Management Agency) to our County, and according to the B-52 it will be in our County's possession and available to departments to assist in local emergency response. But he is here for any other questions folks might have. Thank you. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Okay. Welcome. Thank you for coming up. Members, any questions? I'm just going to ask one. It says here they've stockpiled generators and yet we're seeing —with climate change we're seeing potentially more extreme circumstance with winds and flooding and wildfires or whatever. Is there any discussion about these generators? Just stockpiling in general, I mean, they don't forecast that we need more generators when we're talking about shutting off our electrical power supply because of high winds, which means you've got to have generators. I'm just kind of curious how they believe that these were in excess? (Note: At this time, Civil Defense Administrative Officer Barry Periatt came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. PERIATT: Barry Periatt, Hawaii County Civil Defense Agency. These were an excess in the State or Hawaii Emergency Management Agency warehouse. They've been in the warehouse for a considerable amount of time, they were doing no good sitting in the warehouse. After an assessment after the fires in Lahaina, the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency made a decision to distribute the generators they had in their warehouse to the counties. Kaua'i has received, we've received, and that's why we're here today. And that was the purpose behind it. PS (Power Supply) is being addressed. We already have the 60kw generators. We've been testing them out with the different Parks and Recreation facilities to make sure we can provide adequate power to these locations that may be affected so people will have a place to go where they can at Page 6 FC-44 September 16, 2024 least store medicine that needs to be chilled, charge phones, and do whatever they need to do for power purposes. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Well that's good. Thank you for sharing that we're doing something with it's potential now of these big windstorms and shutting off our power. Thank you. Appreciate the comment. Members, any other questions? Seeing none, all in favor? Vote on Res. 612-24: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 612-24 was (Approved) carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Villegas, and Acting Chair Evans — 5. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Galimba, Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, and Lee Loy — 4. Excused: None. Res. 613-24: AUTHORIZES THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, OFFICE OF STATE AND COMMUNITY ENERGY PROGRAMS PURSUANT TO HAWAI`I REVISED STATUTES SECTION 46-7, FOR A GRANT TO THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY, CLIMATE, EQUITY AND RESILIENCE Allows for the receipt of $228,640 of federally -derived funds to be used to create an Energy Management Plan for County of Hawaii facilities. Reference: Comm.1019 Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder (B/R) Motion to Approve: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to recommend adoption of Res. 613-24. Seconded by Ms. Kagiwada. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Members, any discussion? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, I'll be supporting this resolution. Appreciate the grant funding to allow us to proactively determine how we can improve our facilities so that they are more energy resilient and energy efficient. And I just want to not that the Administrator for OSCER (Office of Sustainability, Climate, Equity, and Resilience) Bethany Morrison is here with her team. In full support. Thank you. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Okay. So, yes. Member Villegas, please. MS. VILLEGAS: Just quickly wanted to give a shout out to Bethany and her team for bringing in this grant. This is exciting for us to have this opportunity. Page 7 FC-44 September 16, 2024 We all know we could really use the help and support with clean energy programs. So, just a big mahalo to you. I yield. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Hearing none, all in favor? Vote on Res. 613-24: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 613-24 was (Approved) carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Villegas, and Acting Chair Evans — 5. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Galimba, Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, and Lee Loy — 4. Excused: None. Res. 614-24: AUTHORIZES THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY PURSUANT TO HAWAI`I REVISED STATUTES SECTION 46-7, FOR A GRANT TO THE HAWAI`I FIRE DEPARTMENT Allows for the receipt of $488,722.63 in federally -derived funds, which would be used to establish a Hazard Zone Incident Command and a Control Training Program to provide safe, effective, and efficient emergency response operations. Reference: Comm.1020 Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder (B/R) Motion to Approve: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to recommend adoption of Res. 614-24. Seconded by Ms. Kagiwada. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Any discussion? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, just want to note the presence of various leadership and personnel from the Hawaii Fire Department. We have Chief Springer here who I'll invite to give a brief description of this grant award that the County will be administering. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Thank you. Would you? Yes, please tell us about this program. Thank you. (Note: At this time, Fire Battalion Chief Patrick Springer came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. SPRINGER: Good afternoon, everybody. Patrick Springer, Hawaii Fire Department, Training Branch. So, this program is called Calm the Chaos: Mastering Fireground Command. It's put together by one of the top fire service Page 8 FC-44 September 16, 2024 instructors, she's now a retired battalion chief out of California. What this program does is it closes the gap in incident command system management that exists a lot of times in an acute phase when an incident first starts. A lot of times it's hard for us to get ahead of the incident power curve when things are happening dynamically. What this system does is it empowers all of our officers to kind of lead from the same place to utilize the same decision -making models, to use the same accountability systems, to make sure we have all of our personnel present and accounted for, make decisions for certain tactics in a uniform way, and also apply the same risk assessment model; risk versus reward concept across the board, department wide. So, our goal with the grant funds is to utilize it to train all of our supervisory personnel in this decision -making process and to also get online training for all of our personnel to the awareness work level. Another thing that is included is a textbook for each fire station and each office in the department. So, we think this is a big part of our department moving forward and providing exceptional service to our community. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chief Springer, thank you so much. In full support of the resolution. Really appreciate you thinking about how we can further build capacity of our personnel so they can continue to deliver service with excellence to our community. Thank you, Chair. I yield. MR. SPRINGER: Thank you. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Okay. Members, any other comments or questions? Seeing none, all in favor? Vote on Res. 614-24: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 614-24 was (Approved) carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Villegas, and Acting Chair Evans — 5. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Galimba, Inaba, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, and Lee Loy — 4. Excused: None. Page 9 FC-44 Motion to Approve September 16, 2024 CHANGES TIME ELEMENT OF TWO HALF-TIME FIRE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER II POSITIONS TO FULL-TIME Requests adjustment to full-time with the intent to reallocate the positions to provide the Hawaii County Fire Department with additional clerical support. Reference: Comm.1021 Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder (B/R) Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to recommend adoption of Res. 615-24. Seconded by Ms. Kimball. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, we have Chief Domingo here to provide an overview of the request that's being put forth by the Fire Department. Chief Domingo, if you could? (Note: At this time, Fire Battalion Chief Stacy Domingo came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. DOMINGO: Hi. Good afternoon. Stacy Domingo, Emergency Communications of Hawaii Fire Department. So, these two positions were part time positions that we had initially allocated and funding for the purpose of possibly having retirees come back to help our shortage or bringing in people who have since left dispatch. We found that it wasn't very successful, but we've also been working on our training programs, so we've started to see an increase and success rate in our training program. Now that we've increased our capacity in dispatch, we also are seeing that we're going to need a little bit more clerical support. Also, after the Lahaina fires and our fires here, we've been seeing more records requests. So, one of these positions will be used to have a records clerk and then also another one of these positions will be supporting in our mechanic shop as an automative storekeeper. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: In full support of this particular request. Appreciate the very thoughtful reallocation of positions and being responsive to not just community needs but to the needs of folks within your department. so, in full support. Thank you, Chief. I yield. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Members, any other questions? Seeing none, all in favor? Page 10 FC-44 Vote on Res. 615-24: (Approved) I I'll I M IWA a*•] P I September 16, 2024 The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 615-24 was carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Villegas, and Acting Chair Evans — 5. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Galimba, Inaba, Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder, and Lee Loy — 4. Excused: None. The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, Bills for Ordinances. Bill 200: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 24-32, AS AMENDED, THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAIJ FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30,2025 Appropriates revenues in the Federal Grants — Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant account ($228,640); and appropriates the same to the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Block Grant account. Funds would be used to create an Energy Management Plan for County of Hawaii facilities. Reference: Comm. 1019 Intr. by: Mr. Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder (B/R) Vote on Bill 200: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to recommend passage of Bill 200 (Approved) on first reading. Seconded by Ms. Kagiwada and carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Villegas, and Acting Chair Evans — 5. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Galimba, Inaba, Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder, and Lee Loy — 4. Excused: None. Page 11. FC-44 September 16, 2024 Bill 201: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 24-32, AS AMENDED, THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAPI FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30,2025 Appropriates revenues in the Federal Grants — FY 2023 Assistance to Firefighters Grant account ($488,722.63); and appropriates the same to the FY 2023 Assistance to Firefighters Grant account. Funds would be used to establish a Hazard Zone Incident Command and a Control Training Program to provide safe, effective, and efficient emergency response operations. Reference: Comm. 1020 Intr. by: Mr. Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder (B/R) Motion to Approve: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to recommend passage of Bill 201 on first reading. Seconded by Ms. Kagiwada. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Members, any discussion? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, this bill is the companion measure to Resolution 614-24, which we just voted on. Just want to take a moment to thank Chief Springer for his hard work in securing this grant funding for critical training program. Thank you. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Thank you. Any other discussion? Seeing none, all in favor? Vote on Bill 201: The motion to recommend passage of Bill 201 on first (Approved) reading was carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Villegas, and Acting Chair Evans — 5. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Galimba, Inaba, Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder, and Lee Loy — 4. Excused: None. Page 12 FC-44 September 16, 2024 Bill 202: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 24-32, AS AMENDED, THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAPI FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING JUNE 30,2025 Increases revenues in the Fund Balance From Previous Year account ($7.4 millon); and appropriates the same to the Housing Production account to fund a grant agreement with Kamakoa Nui LP for the Na Hale Makoa Project ($2 million) and the Kamakoa Nul Workforce Housing Mini -Loop Road/Infrastructure project ($5.4 million). Reference: Comm. 1022 Intr. by: Mr. Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder (B/R) Motion to Approve: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to recommend passage of Bill 202 on first reading. Seconded by Ms. Kagiwada. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Any discussion? MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, I believe we had a discussion at a previous Council Meeting about there being a balance from the first awarding of the housing production funding and so, this is that left over that is going to be carrying over and reallocated to —no; yes? I'm getting mixed messages from folks here. Mr. Shiroma, do you want to clarify? (Note: At this time, Office of Housing and Community Development Specialist Royce Shiroma came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MR. SHIROMA: Royce Shiroma, Office of Housing and Community Development. Yeah, my understanding is that at the end of each fiscal year, the AHP, Affordable Housing Production fund, basically goes back into the pot and in a sense it doesn't lapse. It's still for the purpose —so, then what happens is that we need to reappropriate the projects that we selected for last fiscal year so that we don't encumber any of the funds for the new fiscal year. So, we're dealing with two different fiscal years. So, that's the reason why we're coming here to do the appropriation for these two projects, which was awarded last fiscal year for 2023. MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you for the clarification. We just want to make sure that we are encumbering them for these projects, know that's very helpful. Thank you so much for being here. In full support. I yield. MR. SHIROMA: Thank you. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Thank you. Any other questions? I have a quick one, I hope, for Diane Nakagawa. So, we're now in the month of September and the fiscal year ended June 30th, just a little bit about settling your —kind of the Page 13 FC-44 September 16, 2024 recordkeeping and how long it takes to kind of settle and determine, you know, what the fund balance is. Can you just quickly say a little bit about your process of coming up with the fund balance? (Note: At this time, Finance Director Diane Nakagawa came forward to address the members of the Committee.) MS. NAKAGAWA: Yeah. So, Council Member Evans, we are in the process of doing our year end closing. Our fund balance is expected to come to Council by the October 15th deadline. So, we're working towards that. And we are in the process of getting out our monthly budget status reports, which we'll talk about when that comes on the agenda next. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Okay. Good. Thank you. Thank you very much. MS. NAKAGAWA: You're welcome. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Okay. Seeing no other discussion, questions, all in favor? Vote on Bill 202: The motion to recommend passage of Bill 202 on first (Approved) reading was carried by the following voice vote: Ayes: Committee Members Kagiwada, Kierkiewicz, Kimball, Villegas, and Acting Chair Evans — 5. Noes: None. Absent: Committee Members Galimba, Inaba, Kdneali'i-Kleinfelder, and Lee Loy — 4. Excused: None. ADJOURN- There being no further business on our agenda today, Acting Chair Evans MENT: adjourned the meeting at 3:29 p.m. ACTING CHR. EVANS: Thank you. Approved: Mr. Matt Kdnea Kleinfelder, .,�! --' �__, 1� Finance Committee 15TUTM, (Date) Page 14