HomeMy WebLinkAboutCOM 0641.020 2004-2006 TESTIMONY
HAWAII COUNTY COUNCIL
January 2Q 2006
Re: SUPPORT FOR AMENDING A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING EFFORTS TO
PROTECT NATIVE HAWAIIAN ANCESTRAL REMAINS (IWI KLTPUNA), FUNERARY
OBJECTS (MOEPU), SACRED OBJECTS, AND CULTURAL PATRIMONY FROM
DESECRATION AND DESTRUCTION.
Chairman Higa and Honorable County Council Members,
Aloha, my name is Noe Noe Wong-Wilson. I am a resident of Hilo. I teach Hawaiian
History and Culture at Hawaii Community College. I am a Hawaiian Cultural and Religious
Practitioner.
Please allow me to congratulate you for considering this resolution to support our work to
protect our Iwi Kupuna and their moepu. This effort is greatly appreciated. However, I humbly
ask that you consider some corrections and additional language which will strengthen your
important voice in this matter.
On Page One, there are corrections to the Hawaiian translations which are offered.
`Aumakua is spelled wrong and I suggest you delete the word "aina" from the description of the
Ipu.
On Page Three, second paragraph, "BE TI' FURTHER RESOLVED...", please request
that the "parties" or "parties to the lawsuit" enter into "a traditional Hawaiian" ho`oponopono
process, not the Native Hawaiian Community. Also, we are fearful that the processes of
Ho`oponopono and Western-style mediation are considered the same by some very important
players, including the Federal courts. One is distinctly Hawaiian, the other is not.
Ho`oponopono incorporates a Hawaiian spirituality process which is not present in judicial
mediation.
A new paragraph must be added. "BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the council of the
county of Hawaii calls for the ancestral remains, funerary objects, sacred objects and cultural
patrimony to remain in place until the ho`oponopono process is determined to be complete; and"
Comm. No. I• O
Ref. T
Raf. Uota I
This new paragraph is really the significant point in this entire drama. To support this
recommendation, Ioffer you a copy of a letter from the NAGPRA Review Committee dated
December 2, 2005, which clearly states that their "recommendations in no way implies or
requires that the Kawaihae materials be removed from their present location;", meaning their
resting place back in the caves at Kawaihae. They also go on to recommend "traditional or other
methods" for the parties to resolve their differences, and further that previous "recommendations
should in no way be interpreted or taken to mean or support a potential claim that the Bishop
Museum has a right of ownership or control of these objects."
Finally, I have added names to the list of people who should receive copies of this
resolution, including Judge David Ezra who is presiding over this issue in Federal Court, Judge
Kevin Chang who has been appointed Special Master in this case by Judge Ezra, and the names
of the parties involved in the lawsuit, namely, the plaintiffs, Royal Hawaiian Academy of
Traditional Arts and Na Lei Alii O Kawananakoa (which only incorporated in the summer of
2005) and the defendants, Hui Malama I Na Kupuna O Hawaii Nei and Bernice Pauahi Bishop
Museum.
Mahalo nui for your consideration.
Noe Noe Wong-Wilson
2106 Kaiwiki Road
Hilo, Hawaii 96720
COUNTY OF HAWAII ~ STATE OF HAWAII
RESOLUTION NO.
A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING EFFORTS TO PROTECT NATIVE HAWAIIAN
ANCESTRAL REMAINS (IWI X[7PUNA), FUNERARY OBJECTS (MOEPU), SACRED
OBJECTS, AND CULTURAL PATRIMONY FROM DESECRATION AND
DESTRUCTION.
WHEREAS, the Native American Graves Protection and
Repatriation Act (NAGPRA), a federal law enacted in 1990,
provides a process for museums and federal agencies to return
Native American and Native Hawaiian cultural items, including
ancestral remains (iwi kupuna), funerary objects (moepu), sacred
(ceremonial) objects, and cultural patrimony (objects with
ongoing historical, traditional, or cultural importance), to
their respective lineal descendants, culturally affiliated
Indian tribes (including Alaska Natives), and Native Hawaiian
organizations; and
WHEREAS, significant Native Hawaiian cultural items were
intentionally disturbed and removed from the Kawaihae Cave
complex on Hawaii Island in 1905 by the David Forbes
expedition, without the consent of lineal descendants, and were
conveyed to Bishop Museum; and
WHEREAS, in February 2000, Bishop Museum released these
cultural items, including among them, carved wooden statuettes
of family gods a human hair wig (lauoho),
and gourds (ipu with human teeth, which were
repatriated to their historical repository on Hawaii Island;
and
WHEREAS, in August 2005, two claimants to the Kawaihae Cave
(Forbes) Collection filed suit in U.S. District Court,
petitioning for the return of 83 cultural items to Bishop Museum
until issues of repatriation or final disposition are resolved;
and
WHEREAS, NAGPRA provides that "[t]he United States district
courts shall have jurisdiction over any action brought by any
person alleging a violation of this Act and shall have the
authority to issue such orders as may be necessary to enforce
the provisions of this Act" [25 U.S.C. 3013]; and
WHEREAS, the legislative intent of NAGPRA was to rectify
past wrongs and harm committed against native peoples and to
protect their ancestral remains and cultural treasures from
desecration and destruction; and
WHEREAS, the Council of the County of Hawaii recognizes
its responsibility to foster greater awareness of and respect
for Native Hawaiian cultural values and traditional belief
systems among the citizens of Hawaii County.
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NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE COUNTY
OF HAWAII that it supports the good faith efforts of the Native
Hawaiian community to protect its ancestral remains (iwi
kupuna), funerary objects (moepu), sacred objects, and cultural
patrimony, in reverence to its kupuna and on behalf of future
generations; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Council of the County of
Hawaii calls upon the
involved to enter ho oponopono
process to resolve and set right this historic matter; and
BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that the Clerk of the County of
Hawaii transmit certified copies of this resolution to the
Hawaii Island Burial Council, Department of Hawaiian Home
Lands, Office of Hawaiian Affairs, State Historic Preservation
Division, State Attorney General Mark J. Bennett, the Honorable
Linda Lingle, Governor, State of Hawaii, the Honorable
Harry Kim, Mayor, County of Hawaii,
DATED: , Hawaii, this day of
2006.
INTRODUCED BY:
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OId lave on the Island
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w~~i~,~7e'~~ tail. prr: Im Ur. fo l,rs in fnt;.
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"f'. tLe enlieclipr, descri Led :n t1: is
" artio<'e. ?on on !onn n: au l(nno~
lul;r drndenu nj ~1 rta....d nre ui
~IA~. :Le artiein.t cro lnnnered io tier
''t. r. sculpltrrn un. of [lu; nrr ,=cN nr:
n: :ius isu:^.
I3y IAat~irt !'orGes
Riot- to tr_B ynu some of the ntgs[eriu c[ e i-3 as+~aiian ca': c, and ~+;1'-- schlcn,. rt rr. if hi~~id~~ paid. six, r. L.^_
cat e. Chen the }latcniian=„ vndm~ the 1rudcrship of a} to one ni iluvn I'or nvenr•-t ,;o s,.:r r> 1 i~,i;} resiJed
Kure liamehemo};a anti (hlecn f~aahwnsau. dis- u? tLe hlmrd of H:n. ari and dutin~ ilmt period r.,i~t
ezrdai their auaicut codes, i1 ties hard {er some e. the an interca in cicr. ;hint pertaining io earlier Hau~aiiaa
neveie tr,- des rug :~-i!L ;I:e•ii o"r lmnds the cer~ ~od< history and cusio:na. _~:alrrnnp _prrinien< t~la:re~cr
.+'h': i. thcr and tir¢ir (~rela!hcr_; had wc,rshippetl for niiportunit~ o(icrcd.
tenera::ons. fit,, in osier t,= cti ode the wrath oI their One dnvt in ronverso!iun ~~ith a Mr. A1'iiliain U~:rencr.
nuce~r, m:mt ni them hid Il7rir idols in c~n~es or buried xirr. tce~ nhai r+re ti:cn .etn:cd ? hater ^tipcr2 and ba;l
ricer.:. del^d~ in the grount! ra!her than Gcstrol Lbrr.:, had rwc}: csperiencc in i~.:uuctiug a:ri under ^_romid
tin: accouniin~ fo; t6c eaec find- made al rare interval: t. ark, cur tlwur6U to n;etl Io the suiiiec! of cunas. Ile
in these Liands, asked if 1 Sisd ar, of iL,- Lluc l.cad_ one li:;:c us,:d
'fhousanus oI people, r~eidcnts and visitors to Fla r:aii, fiche ccn the flat. aiian~ end Chnuec ns a ~+.cdium o;
never seen one of these cages. ,•t Ilut.aicrn "'Jl esciranze or L;n trr. I had m.,nr m,d he prmni±cd fa to};^
re1c: to su_~h a place, i(i on nn account enter a mr- to e cave there he had srai some. tic knet. ih~"'
~ _i:nph nul nler channel termed h ncicn. Tara
tt1, ~ ~ Mons r t-eei~_ ai molten ~c ri,., ~<Ir c1- 11 ied Gem
. E~ (j ~ ' un acu rcicano l I~Ee Ir r r rl uiu n nd -ac I ~eI
C~,F t~F
_ ty ~ ~ ~Tr~ u-r tainiliar 1 ti.rc c~ liu ~eail ale, -
ef r
ti~ t tF ?j~%~ ~ nir,i I c rullrstl. i I i I_nsl t re~,lin_ pr i it r ] i.
r. x , j?~ ~ ~y~, funnel i t~ir in _ sit, Intl v, u~d sfi il~e i'~ r- S~ nq~
,.,y.~ ~ ~ ~ ~ inr; I a na-~agr I-uH~ L~r r ~n3wh I aiinn ,gym s
~ V~~ ~~~~t f f,yd 1~~~~~~"""~~~~~' ~l~ bnd~ t iui eha~iditi~ into a hall r[ run i -u rot ;ir._hI
~ i:d ~-111 nu nen t 7 i n ~i^_ali.ns <,nnr m i l as i aL h~ ico
. ~ ~ . ~ysPS'(~ ~ e.I ltrl i t ~ re h~ +dnllt ~ fn r e
~ A• ~ I io rld ~ ~d i i - Iui at.-. flit idi. I ~ .us
SJ'-~ ~ ii~• i~`t{ ul ~ ~ 1 net, it Ihr to ur lu r71r
- _l u:i ~ nl tom }•~ae loner tt~ ma-rt i f IIu c I:. ir_ie
- ~ i ry~'-u n~~ offs h t II i i ~ cU~y I-lc.t 11 i ISCIu ~U 4.:~i-
~NQ n',il~ -ic I o-; ui ~ i ~ o. liu t i t 1 hrt r ua ~ h
. 1Y,,•~ - _ „i(h rr I ha irm ni Ilia a.: s , r u r n it i t I i ~iir
n VT"'~ ~ ~ ca.-=full pi,rccd mull nd firi ofml ~ I r I_a u~ru, i
- ' .t ~ ~ ~ ~ or pcrl a,,. ~ ietr c. umbll r he ¢ s si 7 n _ : nr ia~<.
'~j ~5]°:{ p¢~~~ ulte t diatu>.h vn~aecessari'a-
' N"' w- 1(IC chanciu c-Io h s -nd
.T'~ _ ~ li~lriiu= oslr <n ir'le - Icr~.
_ olun~ tfie pe=sere ( a~ cut i
'~A~`,~~~ h pert an.
i - ~r `•nl, ft' mu! r'+~~; i .Ira
~ ~ ~Y~ I rildOtlYC~ pl 610<v n{) lhftl f ~Lrri In dlt~i C - I~1 lt. L.
l n hi6 It'i~~!`C Iv< 6Cfipf
rv^" ~ ()r` ~V thnn i hi reccpt l~r th ~ 1¢ ri c~,f
5~~ Der candles, and ritat „err in
rrere a numLN: r! cares ~u the neighborhood, eo i,e lire iasl re5ti n,^, place of :pond€ca_
rlec:ded en a date ro :islt Inem, nhich Nos in Gctvber ~~r of ilaa;eiiurs, !Lis nei:v a :.,,!~a,
yf~.
In .the cornea np of ht r_ A~'agner and another gentlz- ~'c i,ror. eedcd to: <nr,e, ri`_
man I started at G a.m oa a h. eh~e m(le dri,e in on)er ranee lu En:f thal v:c could get nr. (ur[hcr. the pas>;~_-r
s°ca r^ thee> _mgrle blue Leads L)ri ring to a=ithin u being bluekcrl 6y large Louldcr a.duc}~. are could :rot.
;nife of the ra rtne ir,- nLieh arur cacr r~ae located; ice nor did are :rp to; re rnoce. LRut brwr,d .<e ;r, il; r: iut<::~_
u ~:LiwLed dre rev m. ned hauled up our vat; i".. uh;uit mr *ema'us o[ span. Haavniians„_in the enti;te pi~sltiap
~ si=i era u Laudlo of eoudles. Lell of ira ine, l"~, rvra~~ped up in rhei:' auCien[ tspc clod T)Ir<e i,~,dir~
a c. rr <~n1'~alhleit ha a native accts. _S(trr ;!c,
r iii errata be`9 arc ~ fight imu, toJr_3Ler iilt a cLan~e Z P
,.I clui6u sot ~c ...c.'° ur ii a u,nriceo c{ do nki ng wa".cr. -u`~;i~ri ~r a~ <.iiCndico- ltd ara~ t ~ LoGr ac r =1i led
V!te: a t~ri=1, r. alb a-.c entemr3 dtc r. arrm+ gorge •shiah a< a lazideouiKt tnr.t> Ln-d ar mrr,ial. The iae~iroralm:-
c :i.`t o; iurnc n>c ~~rach i:: the e::rlh cru=t. In oiJ:tt,lt used fr,r the ii ne =ilkdiLc inlr, rnr of the Ime Lan. n>n;:
,i; :;_n~cacJ !n- .-.il~.eni-. nq inn and graduall} decpent-t{ duff; sob=u;ncE Iil;e ra.. silk. and ui;en usrd for uufire-
~a crc._ier -r:c pn <culyd tyr i.is tar me tut abeul n Pilluass nr cunhwrs. 11 _t,re=. under di if n. iiar: n:r.m
.,l Sulu and +:cnt;tirs nn acid hich r_I.+orb< II:. iq ulr-
mrl=. ~ „j{, i,_ .],nit .nrr the ruu.",h hot tom Dorf„cc, m;d I
rh,=cb e. aielnn; fur un~, inthr a;ions u( an oyoltin~ ;r, ;~~d dric> up the utnurind~•r lhr hun~m; Lm1<
;ne ~ crlical +r .ril; irolb :i;lce ~rdrlcnla i noticed a now that it leel> !ikr pa re!I mrnl_
:~~is i=~ the cliff Ina-nia feel aLcr+e If`e G~~nr ~~f ~fo Ino a. ui t6i5 r~'perlc--nee ar eg nca~. ua vr~lirc
i ra, shoo-.- ur d I "If-,e ie ~rhal ne -n~ }_,o6ina and i rp-e-siac, leasing n sr xeird frr;ing. su :'in,
r-~' Lu( L.~< a. of ds lrsscd hctareen u,. eacl; liar nie Iii-
`:Yacnor n~,u~e°,i i' ~r r..=. not file >an:r ~:~~~c, h:.t :,~,~r: IhuugLis~ anc€ ss mr li!t;e. R'e r.eclrrd I~, n.lrr:d.
. i'tral ii secmc~l iri Lc au~!zl Sr,scd y- Ln1 r.-hilt: nu d:c tern rn I rn;~rr,d nn unr =uL- ui file
- rli-_ 15t "iamLii 1 iir I{ic cif ~c~~S tqC ~ ntanl rr 51o_It_ _iralla InI~I I, -
~+r.~r~ I~u ~if~cni it nod ('rn I Iti:I n~liich .e~ mrtl I fun i the ~i ~ r I~, ~ - tl~er u=cii -c:
~.uler r~sl Ind Lu1 n. r~.u 1, fors lu;x a<t ~cu•a~rtl ur, fim- v p~ v;fiiul .h
~°Ji ~.~ir, ~i_ r,~, ~I~~u'.~I Ilir i~:u`t of tai ae Ire cr.i r~S ulon_.
,~.u 16 ,ual.e or ihn>rth Ihr arlid alicr crrrp~nr vane Ihirt} (eel .vc rm etc..! a Les
e~~a tr. Li+.h ara nuinenw=~ hari;w Iiful h:ruu li:di Ihttlt (ec~i :~Irlt ant! fi.'icr i. frrl In IIr:
.~,uual 1i 611 I~nµrGxiealc) bci~•,< Lr~;iq~, irV~n a~iuca a.CN li.lbt: m Pidi[Ia UR-> l+rl pie tt ha
open u~^. and sr. nn,krir~iu ins the ~,~all_ !Le Itr.a Blips, u. cn rizontue Inue_ 'i~bs flour p,.~-
„c 1.1: o cp.;nr. ~l in :clingy ar;d ;ecdal to rspiorc t,-._ fcc 7~- elagnlli and corcmd n~ 6 J,nc du=t. the utcumo-
ca;e before pl vcc°r~n~n Lnt6er. 'fu Imrlen`.zmd il~e ;:~I ie,h of cenlu ties.
L,r~nzl:uu ~h^se , fci Inc es p;a;n !hnl ILny oar II ra r.t nun .L,':e n ict u~f, after srrr. rnl i:aurs ui
P.txrntss of rxe t•ec[s~tt.
conTinement to the stooping position we had exporienoed, alter the death of the hero, had the flesh cooked from
to be able to stand upright. We walked along this hall, the bones, the teeth taken out, pierced and strung on
tether a n•eird procession, until we reached a raised a necklace, while the crenimn and
platform of loose stones about two feet in height, covered larger bones were laid la rest an
a native mat of_very fine texiu_re. On Ehie plattonn already described.
. rated abeeutifully shaped canoe hewn out of a solid AFler the first uncanny feeling
lag of hoed goo?;.~~T6e canoe--was covered by some in a cave wanes off, excitement an
very old and Tina tape cloth, which cruit[pled away expectancy entry the explorer
at our touch. along. Sometimes he works [nr
Over the rmwe .vas placed a surfboard,, nlsq nicely rlnys, Co end in disappointment; at
(inished and polished. Inside this canoe ,rested"„tf~q ra udmr times, as on this uu'asurn, he
mains of some beast chief or hero uilkn9\+n to .history. is rewarded for his labors. Many
~S'e nwusu red those mummy remains and fomcd ~thc o[ theca caves are very deceiving and on entering n new
body to Le six feet, seven inches in height,-and apparontly one, one that the explorer Bans not know, i[ is well to have
progo~r~ti~o~nate in build. a ball of twine, leaving the end near the entrance mrd Irt-
>,Ge now tea
ie3"Ehat we K'ere in the ranting place ring the cord out as inward progress is made, thus ensur-
of some notable personage and that there must be soma• ing a guide to the exit. Some o{ the coves take the shape
thing there to assist us in identity. After a diligent of an octopus, with Forks and branche9 in every direction.
scorch of this hall, thirty by ono hundred and twenty ~Il of the collection was forwarded to the Bishog
feet in area, we were on the point of returning when Musamn o~ ~not~€~u,ifiei'e'F`he studied and recorded.
R'agncr dishubed some loose stones on the float of the Affai•'~~[wo months it was returned to us, and we divided
hall near the entrance. Theso we removed after aonsid- it up in three pens as best we could. We drew lots fur
arable exertion and found a very small passage pointing firer, second end third choice and my lot was second.
downwards a[ an angle of about forty-five degrees. The other nva gentlemen sold their shares to the Bishop
To navigate this small passage was no easy task. After 1lfuscurii, wTio'tveTC`~;cry'unziou•s to secure the collection.
a good deal of squirming, however, we got through, TFidve retained my third and have a copy of the memoirs
a distance of about tan feet, into another small hall. of the Bishop Museum in which the whole collection
Excitement now ran high for on the floor there lay the is Eully described and authenticated. I trust I have not
most beautiful bowl, ar calabash, I have ever seen. The wearied you in my feeble attempt to describe a most
ytrowl was made of wood inlaid with human teeth and interesting hranch of exploration on those far oIf isles.
,n each side were carved-in rP~~ two'imagrs, male
end female, which acted as a base,
or support to the bowl. Next we The fssue of Bishop Museum Memoirs to which Mr.
found a stand, ar chess board, Forbes referred is Volume II, number two, by ~Villiam'f.
called papamu or konane, a game Brigham, published in 1906. Descriptions of the statu•
rs,^"--n^' ette and konane boned, shown on the sculpture pages o{
using pebbles as roan, played by
high chiefs, the art section in this issue, are es follows:
Passing further along the cave, "first and most important in the find are two wooden
wo found neatly rolled up in taps statuettes, both tamale, perhaps mother and daughter,
cloth [our Hawaiian images, two Female, and two of the which I consider portraits, and if this conjecture he car-
- - " - rest, the are the finest s ecimens known of Hawaiian
niost Eii~esome aumekuns, or gods of terror. Approach- P
ing these, the tlawniian assumed"a-crouching position portrait work." 'fhe one shown in this magazine i=_ a.em
and covered his face. The e•hoie collection was in good tyseven inches tall. "Hands and ears better finished than
preservation, no douht [ram its being carefully packed number one. Breasts hemispherical. ivSouth open with
and the extreme dryness of the air in these caves. hole at the bottom, as i{ to attach tongue. Eyes pearl.
Otbrr articles found were a heautiiul polished bowl Hair pegged in with amne fibrous wood .These uvo
with human teeth inlaid, and containing a-number o{ female figures remind me strongly of tht old-fashioned
+i~ild~liour'tusTS, a tusknecklace, e~carving~knife,~a bone figureheads of ships, which, however, o{ten had less
ex cession. It is uite risible that the native artist had
Lrooch, a~helmet made of +vood fibie covered wit$"buman ~ P 9 P
hair, t}ie neuvork of a feather cloak and sonde}' shells, lessons from some F'.uropean or American sailor .
- ` "The game of mu or konane was decidedly nn aristo-
together with a water gourd.
~In a recces aI this case we counted eighteen human erotic game, much ?s chess eren among Egyptians, but 1
skulls, with the large bones of legs and arms very can't assert that its use vas restncted to the alit ur chiefs.
• . _ as was the game of papa bolus, or sledding rlawnhill, The
c~••nrcTully s+'rapped' in rays. Pti those skulls I noticed
flSe{' the teeth • had fern removed from both upper present example of
j and lower jaws. Soma time afterwards I referred this oh- +vooden papamu or
sen•ation to ].)r. Bingham, who said no doubt these konane board is the ~
,rare the chief followers of the chieftain in the adjoining only one I have seen _
cave. He said that for such it K89 the custom before t~'ilh carved figures ~
death to bequeath their teeth to some relative who, for supports."
,:[aCLt 11~AY:LF;, ,IASIAIIIl A.
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rIILLIA'~ 'f • "RIH!IAa til5 !R.
3„?.3I5dU' ;U~~;i:i; di4;U_~s1,7.
Dear sir:-
Enclosed you rill find a print n? some iiawaiian relics
which two friends and myself have bean fortunate ~noucfh to nneover a
few days ago from a cave in this nei;hborhood. ®o far our e-cploratiens
in this cave are .not complete and 1^e have not given the matter o ublici
-t}~ until such time as r.e are satisfied that we .have found all of the
onenins. To;~ether l,~ith this exhibit ^re.fonnd ia;~a clothes in bulk and
of various to auras and oattern~,a.s cell as human sLulls and lim L Dons
n abundance all rolled up in tape and anparentlp :,ut there after the
flesh had been severed frog, the bones. In one main artery of the cave
we found a fine snecimine of human sl;eletcn wound uU in tang ?nd laid
in a shell or coffin apparently Hart of a canoe with a surf board as
lid or cover, this shell lap on ton of numerous mats,and on top of shot!
there were manl,• shoots of various coloured tapes surmounted b;y~' one .of
a jet ble.c: colour,this ras so fragile.ihat it could r,ot stand to ne
handled. there being but one s•eleton in this chamber ant imnediatel,y
ad.joinin~ it all those curios te;ether with the s%:ulls '.otc.;re a.re of
the opinion that the remains must be of so><ie one more than ordinar.~-
in personaga.I measured the slceleten kith foot rule and found it to be
fully ~ feet,che s::ull is of fine form and indicates that it at some
time contained an intelligent and aner~etie. brain.
~e collection is rleantime intact, and I.should lice to seep it so ii I
cau;hut a% sane ti~~e I.nannot afford tc hive too Hoch Honey for. the aiZ
other two thirds and ttith the understar.di.n~ that ;rou ;nor zll aix>nt th
-ose sort of thini;s U have vc;nturau the follosin!, en,juiry,
ale t~•io" :odassas'~ stand `'f^et io inches hi?h era ;Za.d of zither da.rx
non or 'o0 1 am moan^hilr ttnce.rtain~heads are covered a~ith nu~!an h^.ir
ilcta;`i, ci!?11 as e~'CS,lA tilE la.T~er one there 1S Ci. '71eGe of "Gi."~!', Other
1;0001 inl"o1C't au ti~et11,111 t11L 3UialJ.er OIiP, tn,?u8 }1 "c, 'r^ Glen 10°t G1' dr1C.U^.
7, ~ }r h(t i. u0 Vt~n CUhn2db'r a Ia1i Y8111G fOT t110Se.
lhn rolurd %a.l.aba;s?> on stand is a find suecil,~ine and thickly stuud.efl
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with human teeth Which have peen scraaed down to the sa;ae level as the
surface of wood,caonpt te17. the wood it is der.; either .;po or ;~olD 1
believe. ? what should it be north.
The other Jalabash of value is hard to appreciate from this print and
,Vpll may onlx be able to deter;aine it bX referring to number on hac~
of print holding it between ,you and a light.~i'he ~oar1 of this is _*onnd
x~h:,d with two hideous loo'.ting fi?ures,male and female,one at each and,
this print showinr~ the female figilre at one end.? f+hat do ,you consider
its value,(I omitted to say that it zlso is studded over with human
teeth which are set ir. the wood out project oeyond the smooth surface
of wood,the wood of this is of a light oolour very mucch like sandal
woody and overlpo;~.ing a small piece bro;:en on one side) is in good condi
-tion).
The ste.nd number is a flat board with a raised rim half an inch
above the level nlatter,this platter or stand is about 1u iuche~ o,y
11 inchc~s,and su~~orted o,y carged fiures with tiro feet each,one head
is seers iu,ariat. while tiie other is identical at the other end}the four
feet act as the supports for the Matte r. This is made of a soft woad
and aonarentl,y has been stained blact.,'? :'hat do you consider its value
Tha tl"D Totum Hales sra made of Ohea, wpod and era nic?ly done and in
food condition,??hat are theg rort.h.
List of articles as per nrint:-
1 Idol
2 Idol
3 Calabash
11 Calahash
5atand sunaorted bar cronchinr figures
G 7!i? woven of stiff fibre and covered with human hair
'1 Shells a'»arentl:t used for wood dyes^inv
J 7iu't vrDr'c in irhich rer.;ains the fine _;uills of coloured i+satilor„
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i1 d numUex of small bl`.I.~ oaa.dr
i. i 3onc :ai ~h she.rks toDt~b attc,ci;ed
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as well as 5 nieces of very hard wood and Which Nava besn fitted togas
-her for some nuraose o?• othe°,b.V o,~~s ?.nd holes. Several Oourd c,-slab<.s
-hes in various shares and nu:~l~arous s?tali punches of feathers s.s well
as the handle of what tray ha,v;: been s:ahili.
So far this constitutes our find and any thing ,you can do to dive me ~
idea of a fair value for the lot will be much aonreciated.
I am very much interested in such Ha'.*aiian relics and hava peen gather
-inq what odds and ends I could find during the past 19 ;,rears,altho,
this is the richest i har•e ever come across.I tray also say that in an
indirect way I have a certain interest in the ,6u seu:a lieing, went in th
-is District for the Trustees busin:;ss interest.
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'rompl~Iin;_ vrith your re,uest, 1 have valued the collection of
ethnoloNical specimens seen by rae here and 17y 1'r Stokes in ?'ukuiha.ele, ~
and as a collectior. consi~?er t?lem r.lort?1 "A7?. co disisaUle as ,"ollorrs:-
1 I~.rger wooden ima~=e. 110. co 1'S Olora scraper, pee.rl . 50
' S Smaller 9O. co 1"6 „ " 11 .50
L'ooden akua ,'i, 0O 17 S~'ie11 }Dead 1'. o0
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' 0 Sarre k:curd 1. cO 84 "r•,.:;;n,ents c; rcpe :.c. 50 ,
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I c,o~ Much obligeri to yrou wnd your tc:o ls'ier,ds nor the sr,~aples
c~ kapa in the collection. I ha:~e nct ^.tte!::p'~ed to ^:~}u~ Lhe icapa rand
YrOUld riot C<'-re tO i?O SO r; 1. th CUt i.he dll;ff'.nS1 O1'lS O~ thC: S''1?e*..o. 3'Ot!P.'~'eT,
I understand that this is not desired.
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during his -aisit.
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National Park Service National NAGPRA National NAGPfiA
U.S. Oeparfinent of the Interior 1649 C Street NW, NC2253
Washington, DC 20240
202-354.2206 phone
202-371-5197 fax
National NAGPRA Fax
To: Alan Murakami, Esq.
Fax number: (808) 537268
From: Timothy McKeown
Date: December 2, 2005
Pages to follow:
Comments:
Mr. Murakami:
Attached please find:
1) December 2, 2005 letterfrom the Designated Federal Officer, Native American Graves Protection and
Repatriation Review Committee to Edward Halealoha Ayau clarffying the Review Committee's
reconsideration of the dispute between the Royal Hawaiian Academy of Traditional Arts and the Bernice
Pauahi Bishop Museum regarding cultural Items from the caves at Kawaihae, HI. The original of this letter
along with the enclosure is being mailed to you.
2) A draft transcript of the deliberations of this issue at the November 16-17, 2005 Review Committee
meeting in Albuquerque, NM that was requested by Mr. Ayau on November 29, 2005.
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EXPERIENCE YOUR AMERICA ~
The National Park Service cares fors ecfal places saved by the American people so that ail may experience our heritage. ~
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United States Department of the Interior
NATIONAL PARK SERVICE
1849 C Sweet, N.W.
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wag (zzs3j DEC - 2 2005
Edward Halealoha Ayau
Po'o
Hui Malazna I Na Kupuna O Hawaii Nei
417-H Uluaiu Street
Kailua, HI 96734
Deaz Mr. Ayau:
The Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Review Committee has asked me to clarify my
June 13, 2005 letter regazding the Review Committee's reconsideration of its August 20, 2003 fmdings
and recommendations on the dispute between the Royal Hawaiian Academy of Traditional Arts and the
Bernice Pauahi Bishop Museum regazding cultural items from the caves at Kawaihae, HI.
The Review Committee reconsidered the dispute at its Mazch 13-1 s, 2005 meeting in Honolulu. Upon
review of the additional evidence presented and the additional testimony heazd, the Review Committee
reaffirmed its August 20, 2003 recommendations and fording. At the Honolulu mceting, the Review
Committee also stated for the record that:
1. Reconsiderntion of the August 21, 2003 findings and recommendations in no way implies or requires
that the Kawaihae materials be removed from their present location;
2. All parties, particularly and specifically the Native Hawaiians who aze involved in the dispute, should
use traditional or other methods to resolve their differences; and
3. The August 20, 2003 findings and recommendations should in no way be interpreted or taken to mean
or support a potential claim that the Bishop Museum has a right of ownership or control of these
objects.
A copy of the relevant portions of the transcript of the Mazch 13-15, 2006 meeting is enclosed to provide
you with the context of the Review Committee's reconsideration of this matter.
The Review Cosunittee's findings and recommendations and the c]arifications in this letter are advisory
and do not necessarily represent the views of the Department of the Interior or the National Pazk Service.
Sincerel ,
C. y McKeown,
si ted Federal Officer,
ativ American Graves Protection and Repatriation Review Committee
ati NAGPRA Program.
closure
cc: w/enclosure Na Papa Kanaka O Pu'ukohola Heiau
Royal Hawaiian Academy of Traditional Nation of Hawaii
Arts Native Hawaiian Advisory Counci]
Department of Hawaiian Homelands Office of Hawaiian Affairs
Hawaiian Genealogy Society Pu'uhonua O Waimanalo
Hawaii Island Burial Council Van Horn Diamond `Ohana
Kekumano `Ohra Bishop Museum
Keohokalole `Ohara Review Committee members
"Halealoha" To: "Dr. C. Timothy McKeown" cTim_McKeown@nps.gov>
<halealoha@wave.hicv. cc: "Dana Naone Hall" <leahi-Qa aloha.net>, "Ihilani Chu"
net> <kukahili@hawaii.rr.com>, "Kahu Charles Kautuwehi Maxwell, Sr'
<kale(~ moolelo.com>, "Kaleikoa Ka'eo" <skaeoQc hawaii.edu>,
11/29/2005 01:30 PM Subject: Request for Portion of Transcript
HST
Aloha Dr. McKeown
On behalf of Hui Malama I Na Kupuna O Hawaii Nei, I respectfully request a copy of a
portion of the transcript from the recent NAGPRA Review Committee Meeting held in
Albuquerque, New Mexico on November 16-17, 2005. Specifically, I request the portion
that involves my testimony to the Committee on November 17, 2005 and the
clarification by Committee member Dan Monroe regarding three recommendations
made by the Committee in Honolulu relating to the dispute between the Royal Hawaiian
Academy of Traditional Arts and the Bishop Museum that were not communicated
officially to the parties.
More specifically, I request the part in which Mr. Monroe describes the recommendation
by the Committee in Honolulu that although the Review Committee reaffirms the
findings and recommendations from St. Paul (that the NAGPRA process by Bishop
Museum was flawed), this should not be construed to require the recovery of the moepu
from Forbes Cave. In addition, I request that this information be provided in an
expedited matter, mahalo (thank you).
Ola na iwi,
Edward Halealoha Ayau
Executive Director
Hui Malama I Na Kupuna O Hawaii Nei
DRAFT
1
2 DISCIISSION OF PAST DISPDTES - DISPDTE BETWEBN THE
3 ROYAL HAWAIIAN ACADEMY OF TRADITIONAL ARTS AND
4 BISHOP I±StJSEIIM REGARDING ITEMS FROM A CAVE AT
S KAWAIHAE
6 ROSITA WO]tL: I think we have a lot of other
7 action items that we need to take care of. Dan, I
8 think I'd like to have your recommendation put on the
9 table -
10 DAN MONROE: Okay. Great.
11 ROSITA WORL: - and into the record.
12 DAN MONROE: Stated more concisely, in Honolulu,
i3 the committee reached the following decision
la regarding the Kawaihae Caves matter. One, we
1S reaffirmed the St. Paul decision that the Bishop
16 Museum repatriation of these materials was flawed and
17 incomplete, and two, we instructed NPS staff to
18 convey to all parties involved in this matter three
19 specific additional points. The first that the
20 committee's decision regarding - and finding in
21 Honolulu in no way implies or requires that the
22 Kawaihae materials be removed from their present
23 location; second, that the committee strongly
24 encouraged - encourages all parties, particularly and
25 specifically Native Hawaiians who are involved in the
DRAFT
I dispute, to use traditional or other methods to
2 resolve their differences; and third, that the
3 committee asserted that its decision should in no way
4 be interpreted or taken to mean or support a
5 potential claim, incidentally a claim not made by the
6 Bishop but a claim that could conceivably be made,
7 that the Bishop Museum has a right of ownership or
8 control of these objects.
9 The committee's language in the transcript is
to clear in saying those - and reaffirming in short the
11 St. Paul decision and in instructing the staff to
12 convey these three specific points to all affected
13 parties. So I would propose that the following take
14 place, if the committee approves following through in
15 assuring that its previous actions and decisions are
16 implemented, that the staff prepare a draft that
t7 adequately and fully reflects these points, that it
18 distribute that to the Chair and to the members of
19 the committee via email, that there be opportunity
20 for any refinements that we may wish to make and that
21 those refinements be submitted to the Chair, and that
22 the Chair is given the responsibility to, with the
23 staff, make a final - is there a problem? - make a
24 final disposition.
25 TIMOTHY MCKEOWN: We're just sort of discussing
DRAFT
1 where technical corrections to a draft that is
2 approved here become a new finding.
3 DAN MONROE: Uh-huh.
4 TIMOTHY MCKEOWN: And as long as it is limited to
5 technical corrections to this, I think we're fine.
6 DAN MONROE: I think what we're trying - not
7 think. What we're trying to do is to assure that the
8 actions that are taken and the communications that
9 are given to affected parties conform to the
to directions and decisions reached by the committee in
11 Honolulu as reflected in the transcript. So we're
12 not reaching a new finding.
13 GARRICK BAILEY: Dan, the question I have about
la this particular point, do we explicitly state it in
15 that manner in that transcript?
16 DAN MONROE: We explicitly state, and I don' t
17 have the transcript in front of me, but I'll
18 summarize it if you'll forgive me, Garrick. We
19 explicitly said the following on several occasions,
20 it's our intent to reassert the finding or reaffirm
21 the finding in St. Paul and to assure that the
22 following points be conveyed to all affected parties
23 regarding that finding. So we did not request that
24 the finding language itself be changed. we did
25 explicitly state and direct that the three points I
DRAFT
1 just covered be conveyed and communicated to all of
2 the affected parties.
3 GARRICK BAILEY: Okay. I will agree in this but
4 I want to have them referred to the transcript -
5 DAN MONROE: Great.
6 GARRICK BAILEY: - and particular passages in the
7 transcript to make certain that everyone knows we
S have not - we have not changed anything.
9 DAN MONROE: Fine. That's great.
10 GARRICK BAILEY: I think that's the important
11 point, that we don't want to have them say, well,
12 we've restated our position. That is the position.
13 DAN MONROE: Right. Right.
14 SHERRY HUTT: Actually in about -
IS ROSITA WORL: Sherry and then Vin.
16 SHERRY HUTT: - in about two minutes, Jaime will
17 be back from the business center with the excerpts
18 quoted from the transcript for you all to look at
i9 before you leave, before we draft the initial letter.
20 DAN MONROE: That's great.
21 ROSITA WORL: And the process will allow us to be
22 certain.
23 GARRICK BAILEY: Because I don't want them to
24 come back and say -
ZS DAN MONROE: I understand.
DRAFT
i GARRICK BAILEY: - well, look -
2 ROSITA WORL: That's the intent of this.
3 GARRICK BAILEY: - Hui Malama went to this
4 meeting and we changed our opinion.
5 ROSITA WORL: we are not changing our opinion.
6 Vin.
~ VINCAS STEPONAITIS: I just - I just wanted to
8 make a suggestion just as a friendly amendment to the
9 sense of the committee. And that is that in addition
10 to - at the time that the draft language is
11 circulated, I would like to ask that if this is okay
12 with Dan, that we also circulate the text of the
13 letter that was actually sent because we - I just
l4 don't remember that.
IS DAN MONROE: Yes, thank you.
16 TIMOTHY MCKEOWN: That was cc' ed to all - or
t7 bcc'ed to all committee members.
lg VINCAS STEPONAITIS: I' m sure I may have read it
19 months ago, but I just don't remember where it is.
2p DAN MONROE: Absolutely.
2t VINCAS STEPONAITIS: And so just so that we have
22 the original letter at hand so we can compare the
23 wording of the new letter to the original letter.
24 And the second thing I was going to ask was if you
25 could also circulate, again electronically or by
DRAFT
t Honolulu regarding this matter.
2 ROSITA WORL: So we're clear on the process now.
3 CARLA MATTIX: Can I just make one FACA process
4 comment?
5 ROSITA WORL: Okay.
6 CARLA MATTIX: It would be fine to receive the
7 former documents as reference, but any sort of - if
8 you undertake any further analysis or comparison and
9 discussion in your emails, that would - that would go
to beyond the FACA requirements. So it really has to be
11 limited to very technical corrections.
12 VINCAS STEPONAITIS: But - so in other words,
13 just to make sure I understand, we can - we can use
14 these additional materials just as reference
15 materials to refresh our memory of what happened in
16 Honolulu.
17 CARLA MATTIX: Sure.
lg _ VINCAS STEPONAITIS: But we can't discuss -
19 CARLA MATTIX: I wouldn't engage in further
20 discussion about what they meant or how they are to
21 be taken in the future or anything like that. Just
22 use them for your reference, to refresh your memory
23 as you read this new draft.
24 GARRICK BAILEY: That's why I was asking Dan
25 about the wording. I know it has to be precisely
DRAFT
1 what we said in Honolulu, or it should be.
2 DAN MONROE: I think it needs to -
3 GARRICK BAILEY: I would think -
4 DAN MONROE: I think the wording, because we're
5 taking from a transcript, the wording in the letter
6 needs to clearly reference and refer to the
~ transcript quotes.
g TIMOTHY MCKEOWN: I think we would be happy to
9 provide the transcript with the letter -
10 DAN MONROE: Sure.
11 TIMOTHY MCKEOWN: - when we actually send it out.
12 That would be perfectly appropriate.
13 DAN MONROE: And I don't think there will be a
l4 problem. Having reviewed the transcript, I think
15 it's - do you agree, Sherry?
16 SHERRY HUTT: It's clear and it's somewhat
17 redundant .
18 DAN MONROE: It is.
19 SHFI2RY HUTT: I mean, the excerpts that are
20 coming from Jaime, structure it as you did, one, two,
21 three, and then insert the quotes from the transcript
22 verbatim.
23 DAN MONROE: Right. Thank you.
24 ROSITA WORL: So we're all clear on the process
25 now. All right. Colin.
DRAFT
1 COLIN KIPPEN: I'd just like to state for the
2 record that I am going to recuse myself completely
3 from any of these issues having to do with Hui Malama
4 and the Kawaihae Caves issue. And the reason I'm
5 doing that is because I was not a member of this
6 committee when you made your decision, when you heard
7 your testimony, when you made your decisions, when
8 you wrote your opinion, and when you now - having
9 attempted to interpret what it was that you meant.
10 That's one reason. The other reason is that at the
it time, that at some point in the past, I was the
12 Deputy Director at the Office of Hawaiian Affairs,
13 and the Deputy - and excuse me, the Office of
14 Hawaiian Affairs is one of the claimants under the
15 NAGPRA statute for the Kawaihae Caves objects, the
16 funerary objects and iwi.
17 DAN MONROE: Can I just make one statement
IS because this is a very sensitive matter, just to
19 underscore and I know what you meant, but we are not
20 reinterpreting or interpreting what we decided or
21 said in Honolulu.
22 ROSITA WORL: Right.
23 DAN MONROE: We are just assuring that what we
24 decided and said is communicated to the affected
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1 ROSITA WORL: The Chair caught that and would
2 have noted that for the record as well.
3 COLIN KIPPEN: Thank you.
4 ROSI TA WORL: And I don't think there's any
5 problems. I mean, we have to accept this recusal.
6 And if there are no objections to what we have
7 outlined, we will move forward on this process as
8 outlined in Dan's recommendations.
9 All right. It is now what time?
10 GARRICK BAILEY: 12:00.
11 TIMOTHY MCKEOWN: We have one public comment that
12 needs to leave immediately.
13 ROSITA WORL: All right. We'll take a comment,
14 public comment for someone who has to leave.
15 SHERRY HUTT: What's coming forward to you now
16 from the DFO are the quotes organized one, two and
17 three. The items that are not quotes are statements
18 of Dan this morning, as fast as I could type them as
19 he was speaking.
20 ROSITA WORL: Okay. All right.
21 SHERRY HUTT: So I leave that to Dan to correct
22 the statements made today.
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4 DAN MONROE: Madam Chair, I regretfully must
5 depart for the airport.
6 ROSITA WORL: Prior for - prior to your
7 departure, just to let you know that Dan and Colin
8 have been appointed to work on the '05 NAGPRA report,
9 our report to Congress.
10 DAN MONROE: Correct.
11 ROSITA WORL: Right.
12 DAN MONROE: Good. Thank you all, members of the
13 committee - yes, go ahead.
14 ROSITA WORL: I think we will still have a quorum
15 to approve of the NAGPRA report, your NAGPRA report.
16 We will still have a quorum, even with Dan's - in
17 Dan' s - with Dan's departure.
lg DAN MONROE: What do you have?
19 SHERRY HUTT: Just the document on the letter
20 that we're directed to send out, just before you
21 leave that you all agree that this accurately
22 reflects the sentiments of the committee and that we
23 will draft from this document as you specified.
24 DAN MONROE: Can we take a look at that? Can we
25 look at that?
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1 ROSITA WORL: Yes, let's take a look at that.
2 That was distributed just before noon?
3 SHERRY Eii]TT: Yes. Do you need another copy?
4 DAN MONROE: I had one - one comment. There is
5 language in the transcript that specifically states
6 the committee's intent, one, to support the decision
7 in St. Paul, and two, it expresses the intention to
8 convey these various points. And I would suggest
9 that that language also be included and referenced in
10 the letter to assure all parties that we are not
11 acting in any new manner or changing our viewpoint or
12 interpretation but we're simply following the actions
13 and assuring that they're implemented that we had
14 directed to be taken in Honolulu. Other than that,
15 this looks good to me.
16 SHERRY HUTT: And I think you said before lunch
17 that this whole piece that you have printed out be
18 - head noted in the letter with the fact that we are
19 following through on your direction previously given.
20 DAN MONROE: Yes. With that, Madam Chair, I must
21 depart.
22 ROSITA WORL: Thank you very much, Dan.
23 DAN MONROE: I must depart. Thank you all,
24 committee members. Thanks to all of the
25 participants, and we look forward to seeing you again
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2 Thanks to all the staff. Thank you.
3 ROSITA WORL: Thank you, Dan. For the record, we
4 still do have a quorum with four.
5 TIMOTHY MCKEOWN: We do.
6 ROSITA WORL: We have yet to consider the NAGPRA
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