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Home My WebLink AboutCOM 1210.018 2006-2008 Page 1 of 2 Murashige, Laura From: Dlind49@aol.com r t- ` } Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:55 AM L fiM 7 44 To: shannonkona@gmail.com; counciltestimony@co.hawaii.hi.us; jJ ~c~oa~c~ .haw ~ aii.hi.us; KAPILAGO@co.hawaii.hi.us; enaeole@co.hawaii.hi.us; bford@co.ha ii,hi,us; dikeda@co.hawaii.hi.us; dyagong@co.hawaii.hi.us; phoffmann@co.-Wb, us;,;- +'a,{ jyoshimoto@co.hawaii.hi.us; shiga@co.hawaii.hi.us; KEOFF@co =44,1,us Cc: holter@maui.net; mauified@juno.com; Scott_Hooks@obama.senate.gov; Tim_Sullivan@durbin.senate.gov; Jeremy.Cirks@mail.house.gov Subject: Re: Council testimony on DU Reso 639-08 Attachments: DU MEDMGMT OTSG.pdf In a message dated 7/1/08 10:54:00 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, shannonkona@gmail.com writes: #1. there is NO question, uranium radiation is deadly, from start to finish. From the mining, to the milling, to the manufacturing, to the end use, to the clean up; NO way around it. The people telling you otherwise are either stupid, uninformed, or lying to you. Read the thousands of reliable, expert studies, look up all of the class action lawsuits popping up in every stage of its use. The use of uranium is killing people everywhere; it is poisoning our planet. Department of Defense officials acknowlege the adverse health efects in this hidden internal briefing. http//www_traprockpeace_org/d.u dtic wakayama Au.g20_02.htm1 One simple fact that verifies the effort to avoid all liability is that a Department of Energy official sent a memorandum to a senior Pentagon official asking actually demanding that they stop the truth from being told and that liability for verfied adverse health and environmental effects never happen. I - we can provide you with a copy of this memorandum. #2. The military has a long history of not telling the truth. There are TONS of MILITARY documentation years after the fact, of using U.S. citizens and other humans as Guinea pigs; intentional chemical, biological, and radiological experiments on civilian and military populations. This is fact, not fantasy, look it up, you'll be horrified. Ask our local Marshallese who can never go home again, Ever. Ask our damaged veterans, ask the Vietnamese and the Iraqi's. You may think, oh, that's old news, they did all of that stuff in the 40's and 50's... but you would be wrong; nothing has changed in this culture of secrecy except more futuristic and lethal experimentation. I for one, deeply resent the idea that my community may be being used as the proverbial canary in the coal mine and having to pay for it, too. Military regulations say 'they' are responsible for any clean up or harm they have caused, but they most certainly are not responsible, as witnessed by their admission of nearly 1000 contaminated sites in Hawaii which they are doing very little to clean up. The name of their game is stall, confuse, belittle, and delay. AR 700-48, DA PAM 700-48, TB 9-1300-278, DU CTT, and attached but ignored medical care order are very clear thorough environmental remediation and medical care are required but these mandatory requirements have been ignored, are being ignored, and will be ignored unless you stop the nonsense now. 3_ques..html http://www.traprockpoace.org/rokke-du_3_ques.html DOD officials must deny, delay, confuse, belittle, and stall to avoid all liability. Comm NM 42 JQ -,8 Ref. Tot heseat~ i Ref. Date 2 2008_ 7/2/2008 Page 2 of 2 #3. Bottom line; residents want to know the whole truth about what is happening at Pohakuloa. How many nuclear weapons systems have been used, how many acres are contaminated. Residents don't trust the fox guarding the hen house to give us any real answers. Residents have a right to know if we are in danger. You folks are the only defenders that residents can count on to begin to get us the answers. Our senators, most of our legislature, and governor are deaf and dumb to our reasonable questions. Residents are counting on you folks, our ohana, to help us get the truth. Plesse remember that your own health is in danger! Please pass this resolution, with no amendments, except one . ...that would call for the testing of a few of us downwind humans. Please pass the resolution before it is too late. You are actually just ernforcing compliance with existing but ignored federal orders and regulations that have the force of law but that are ignored. Sadly because of wind shifts and distances that contamination can travel medical testing must include all Hawaiians. But beyond the testing that has severe limitations as designed by DOD officials a presumption of exposure and liability for consequent adverse medical effects is essential. Please understand that medical testing and medical care is still denied to those of us who have confirmed exposures and confirmed adverse health effects in direct violation of orders, regulations, and directives. I - we can provide you with complete documentation to verify that uranium weapons, biological weapons, chemical weapons, and conventional weapons all pose serious adverse health and environmental effects and that there is collusion between government agencies to prevent liability. If you have any questions please call me. Thank you, Dr Doug Rokke 217 643 6205 Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used ca.....rs... 7/2/2008 / DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY HEADQUARTERS, U. ARMY MEDICAL COMMAND \~4y~c~~sJJ 2050 WORTH ROAD FORT SAM HOUSTON, TEXAS 782346000 REPLY TO ATTENTION OF MCPO-SA S 9 APR 2004 MEMORANDUM FOR COMMANDERS, MEDCOM MAJOR SUBORDINATE COMMANDS SUBJECT: Medical Management of Army Personnel Exposed to Depleted Uranium (DU) 1. Reference memorandum, OTSG/MEDCOM Policy Memo 03-007,13 January 2004, subject as above. 2. You are aware of the publicity surrounding the concerns of the Soldiers of the 442nd Military Police Company at Fort Dix, NJ. I want to take this opportunity to reiterate certain aspects of the current DU policy and direct you to convey this information to your personnel. Some key issues from the referenced policy memorandum are: a. All personnel with actual or potential exposures to DU will be identified, assessed, treated (if needed), and assigned a potential exposure level (I, II, or III). The identified personnel will then be monitored and tracked according to the responsibilities, procedures, and guidance as indicated in the specific paragraphs of the enclosure to reference 1, above: (1) Paragraph 4a - DU bioassays will be administered to all personnel with imbedded metal fragments that might include DU or who were in, on, or near (less than 50 meters) an armored vehicle at the time (or shortly after) it was struck with a DU munition (Level 1 exposure category). (2) Paragraph 4b - DU bioassays will be administered to all personnel who routinely enter damaged vehicles as part of their military occupation or who fight fires involving DU munitions (Level II exposure category). (3) Paragraph 4c - DU bioassays are not required for personnel with incidental exposure to DU, although a physician may choose to perform one based on medical indications or on the request of the potentially exposed individual (Level III exposure category). b. I am not advocating urinalysis for DU for every deployed Soldier. This decision must be based on good Health Care Provider and patient interactions. If a urine bioassay is needed or the patient expresses a valid concern about potential exposure to I j i I MCPO-SA SUBJECT: Medical Management of Army Personnel Exposed to Depleted Uranium (DU) DU and requests a urine bioassay, then one should be ordered. Our continued use of open communications and adherence to standards of care as expressed in clinical practice guidelines are key in supporting our Soldiers. 3. My point of contact is COL Robert R. Eng, Proponency Office for Preventive Medicine, San Antonio, DSN 471-6612, commercial (210) 221-6612, or Robert.Eng@amedd.army.mil. JAMES B. PEAKE Lieutenant General Commanding CF: Commander, U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, ATTN: Surgeon, 7 Fenwick Road, Fort Monroe, VA 23651-5000 Commander, U.S. Army Forces Command, ATTN: Surgeon, Fort McPherson, GA 30330-6000 Commander, U.S. Army Reserve Command, ATTN: Surgeon, 1401 Deshler Street, SW, Fort McPherson, GA 30330-2000 2 I i I I II I I i I I i rage or 9 tel: country code 44 115 9363427 fax: country code 44 115 936 3302 3. How should I pay you? we can invoice one the work is done. 4. We have several older buildings on the Ranch where I plan to collect samples. Does it really matter at this point if I co-mingle the samples into one batch? considering the distance from the DU source, I doubt it. Since you are i<een to document, yes or no, the presence of DU then amalgamated samples should tell you that initially; if you got a high DU signal, then you might want to do some more work. The more you put together in the initial phase, the fewer samples and the lower the cost to you. 5. We've had some concern expressed regarding our water supply. We pump water from 4,000 feet below ground level, so it seems doubtful that any contamination from a surface source is present. I could send you a water sample also. Is there any protocol for collection and storage of water samples, and how much would testing a sample add to the price you quoted? I suspect you are right to be doubtful and my advice is not to spend your money on testing deep groudwater unecessarily. If there is clot of DU on the surface, it is more likely to have surface water contamination, but this 7n itself is not necessarily a hazard. What we recommend here is get a clean 1 L Nalgene bottle (new) and to Q;-e- clean it with reagent grade nitric or hydrochloric acid, and then rnce several times with deionized water. If it comes down to it, we can prepare anti supply bottles for you. The NY report is good science, and well done. I could detect no bias or agenda in the report. I'm very interested in any follow-up health studies that take place. It's actually quite encouraging that these people, who have probably had the highest level of exposure and contamination of anyone, are still alive 20 years later. Thanks, three prestigious journals refused to even review it,- so it arras a struggle to get that work published, though I don't know why. The h.r~aii:n situation in NY is still up in the air; I rather think there are a nuimrer of People that have had problems from the hazard, but there is as yet no de_ ent pulblic 'health study, amazing but true. Looking forward to hearing from you, David L. Bigelow Waiki'i Ranch Homeowners' Association Original Message 7/2/2008 rage or y tel: country code 44 115 9363427 fax: country code 44 115 936 3302 3. How should I pay you? we can invoice one the work is done. - 4. We have several older buildings on the Ranch where I plan to collect samples. Does it really matter at this point if Ico-mingle the samples into one batch? considering the distance from the DU source, I doubt it. Since you are keen to document, yes or no, the presence of DU then amalgamated samples should tell you that initially; if you got a high DU signal, then you might want to do some more work. The more you put together in the initial phase, the fewer samples and the lower the cost to you. 5. We've had some concern expressed regarding our water supply. We pump water from 4,000 feet below ground level, so it seems doubtful that any contamination from a surface source is present. I could send you a water sample also. Is there any protocol for collection and storage of water samples, and how much would testing a sample add to the price you quoted? I suspect you are right to be doubtful and my advice is not to spend your . money on testing deep groudwater unecessarily. If there is alot of DU on the surface, it is more likely to'have surface water contamination, but this in itself is not necessarily a hazard. What we recommend here is get a clean 1 L Nalgene bottle (new) and to pre- clean it with reagent grade nitric or hydrochloric acid, and then race several times with deionized water. If it comes down to it, we can prepare'and supply bottles for you. The NY report is good science, and well done. I could detect no bias or agenda in the report. I'm very interested in any follow-up health studies that take place.. It's actually quite encouraging that these people, who have probably had the highest level of exposure and contamination of anyone, are still alive 20 years later. Thanks, three prestigious journals refused to even review it,-so it was a struggle to get that work published, though I don't know why. The heaiU1 situation in NY is still up in the air; I rather think there are a numoer of people that have had problems.from the hazard, but there is as yet no decent public health study, amazing but true. Looking forward to hearing from you, David L. Bigelow Waiki'i Ranch Homeowners' Association - Original Message - 7/2/2008 Page 5 of 9 tel: country code 44 115 9363427 fax: country code 44 115 936 3302 3. How should I pay you? we can invoice one the work is done. 4. We have several older buildings on the Ranch where I plan to collect samples. Does it really matter at this point if I co-mingle the samples into one batch? considering the distance from the DU source, I doubt it. Since you are keen to document, yes or no, the presence of DU then amalgamated samples should tell you that initially; if you got a high DU signal, then you might want to do some more work. The more you put together in the initial phase, the fewer samples and the lower the cost to you. 5. We've had some concern expressed regarding our water supply. We pump water from 4,000 feet below ground level, so it seems doubtful that any ` contamination from a surface source is present. I could send you a water sample also. Is there any protocol for collection and storage of water samples, and how much would testing a sample add to the'price you quoted?, I suspect you are right to be doubtful and my advice is not to spend your money on testing deep groudwater unecessarily. If there is alot of DU on the surface, it is more likely to have surface water contamination, but this in itself is not necessarily a hazard. What we recommend here is get a clean 1 L Nalgene bottle (new) and to pre- clean it with reagent grade nitric or hydrochloric acid, and then rince several times with deionized water. If it comes down to it, we can prepare and supply bottles for you. The NY report is good science, and well done. I could detect no bias or agenda in the report. I'm very interested in any follow-up health studies that take place. It's actually quite encouraging that these people, who have probably. had the highest level of exposure and contamination of anyone, are still alive 20 years later. . , Thanks, three prestigious journals refused to even review it, so it.was a~. ' struggle to get that work published, though I don't know why. The healthf 3 situation in NY is still up in the air; I rather think there are a number of peQ~e that have had problems from the hazard, but there is as yet no decent puk(ic{ health study, amazing but true. W-A Looking forward to hearing from you, David L. Bigelow Waiki'i Ranch Homeowners' Association ~Y Original Message ' 7/2/2008 `