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HomeMy WebLinkAboutREP CofWH 027 06-02-82 (1980-1984) 410 • REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE June 2, 1982 Chairman and Members Hawaii County Council Hilo, Hawaii Your Committee of the Whole to which was referred: Ordinance SALARY ORDINANCEFOR 1982 Bill 851: Establishes the number and rates of compensation for all positions in departments , offices and other agencies of the County. of Hawaii under the legislative control of the County Council, designat- ing payroll periods; pay days, prescribing certain requirements with respect to overtime, perquisites and official fidelity bonds, and repealing Ordinance No. 700 and all amendments thereto; said ordinance to be known as the Salary Ordinance of 1982 . Intr. by: Mr. Fujii 1st Reading: May 6 , 1982 recommends Ordinance Bill 851 be amended as follows : CONTRACTUAL/EXEMPT POSITIONS SECTION 8.02 (d) . MASS TRANSPORTATION AGENCY (OFFICE OF THE MAYOR) Delete Item 1, Number 1, Transit Operations Supervisor, SR-21 and insert' Item: 1',' Number 1, Transit' Operations Manager SR-'24. (Per Res . 3'49/FC-187) Further recommends Ordinance Bill 851, as amended, be adopted by the Council on second and final reading. CW REPORT NO. 27 ADOPTED ; JUN 7 , ,- , - I III REPORT OF THE . , COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE June 2, 1982 Chairman and Members Hawaii County Council Hilo, Hawaii Your Committee of the Whole submits for approval Committee Reports dated June 2, 1982 and numbered 22 through 27. O.. TOMIO FUJII, CHAIN AI i • th, ti / x Imik ft 4 MEP/ E K. LAI, V -C AIRWOMM/IA HELENE/ . HALE, MEMBER 0 , dpfrihk., , w )1.4..a11. ---- • 114" '" 1 JAiS L. K. DAHLBERG, MEMBEF6 tiILLIAM Sw•KAWA ' ARA, MEMBER ‘..3 V., W1/4 SS-0 'Cr% 1 , P / / 411pri r ( FR6DIktel,2JII, MEMBERPENCER KALANI SCHUTTE, MEMBER 1 / - , a . r TAKASHI DOMINGO, M MBER 67PH K. Ylv ..SHIRO, MEMBER OF Iteno.A.No.,.....4,...frei..... 1.,' IQ: 1`4o. .........g. g. -:.7 T., r•TD. 401' JUN 7 ell 111 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE Hilo, Hawaii Wednesday, June 2, 1982 The meeting of the Committee of the Whole was called to order at 9 : 04 a.m. in the Councilroom, Hawaii County Building, by Mr. Tomio Fujii, Chairman. PRESENT: Mr. Tomio Fujii, Chairman Mr. James L. K. Dahlberg Mrs. Helene H. Hale Mr. William S. Kawahara Mr. Spencer K. Schutte Mr. Stephen K. Yamashiro ABSENT & Mr. Frank De Luz, III EXCUSED: Mr. Takashi Domingo Miss Merle K. Lai (Messrs. De Luz &Domingo and Miss Lai came • in later. ) Also present were the following: Mr. Gary Takamura, Controller Mr. Harry Takahashi, Legislative Auditor Miss Jane H. Araki, Council Services Secretary Mrs. Alberta K. Nicolas, Senior Clerk-Stenographer (Mr. Nakamae came in later) STATEMENTS The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to FROM THE the next order of business, Statements from the PUBLIC ON Public on Agenda: AGENDA: The Chair called Ms. Maryclaire Hickey, a resident of 2149-D Kanoelehua Avenue, Hilo, who made the following statement regarding taxes. MARYCLAIRE Well, I 'm against a raise in taxes because with HICKEY: the economy, everyone is having such a hard time getting along. And for the people that are renting, there is always a raise every year and JUN 2 MR ® • they're having a rough time getting along as it is. I truly think it' s unfair and I think you need all the support of your Hilo people in every aspect that you can get it and I think that if you keep your taxes down, it will help Hilo very much. The Chair then called Mrs. Margaret-Mary Burns Curtis, a resident of 89 Likeke Street, Hilo, who made the following statement regarding taxes. MARGARET-MARY Good morning. The situation as it is now with BURNS CURTIS: the economy, as Ms. Hickey said, is such that a raise in taxes at this time would be robbing the people of even their food money and I don't think that ' s what the Council wants. You 're reasonable people on this Council and we need to lower the tax rate since you have increased the assessment so that there' s no increase. There really isn' t any need as far as I can see, you did have a surplus last year, and so this is my feeling. Thank you. The Chair then called Mr. Warren Curtis, a resi- dent of 89 Likeke Street, Hilo, representing the Hawaii County Taxpayers Association, who made the following statement regarding taxes. WARREN I 've spoken before the Council before, but now CURTIS: I come wearing a different hat. I represent the Hawaii County Taxpayers Association. I think you gentlemenhad some contact with them over in Captain Cook. We're a growing organization. I have here the signatures of over 135 people in this area and we have dozens more of these sheets out collecting names now. I hope you will realize and take cognizance in the fact that this is a growing organization and we are going to have strength.. And you are going to have to do something about keeping the taxes down. In 1981, my taxes jumped from $250 . 64 to $426. 41, an increase of 70. 5 percent. Projected 1982 tax will be $621. 16; an increase of another 31 percent over the 70. 5 percent. I urge this Council to reject that increase and to set a fair amount of tax. There have been several proposals lately printed in the newspaper - one by the Mayor. He wants to cut a dollar or so off of the, $3 . 00 off of the tax on the house. Well most people don't - 2 - • • know how to figure their tax. You look at that and you take off your exemptions, andit only leaves a few dollars to apply that reduction in. What it does is give a big fat reduction to all of the people that own big buildings around here. Because hedidn't limit that to just the property owner, that was on all buildings. And that was to be a giveaway,- another bit of Reaganizing that is going to rob the poor to give to the rich. Mrs. Hale's proposal is a little better but this still constitutes just a boneto us, a sop to the people. Under her proposition, my tax on the building would be lowered $34. 69 . On the land, if hers is adopted, it would be. lowered $23 . 13 for a total of $57 . 82, leaving an overall increase of $136 . 93 . So, it's no tax savings. It' s throwing us a bone and we're tired of bones . In 1979, there was a surplus of $3 . 6 million.. In 1981 and 1982, projected surplus printed in the newspapers, $7 . 5 million. Now a little simple arithmetic will give you an amount of $11.1 mil- lion increase over 1979 . Now, we haven' t had any catastrophes, we haven't had any expansion of services in any way. You don' t pave our streets. You don' t put in sewers for us . You don't collect the garbage and I wanted to know where all of this money is going to? I know that you propose to spend. $10 million and I can see part of this in the Mayor wanting 20 new positions. I suppose he' s coming up for re-election for something and he wants to put his people all to work, but it has to stop. I 've talked to many people and I have tried to get them to come down here to this meeting. They say what good does it do? The County Council is a bunch of crooks, they're going to do what they please. . There' s nothing we can do about it. Well, I think there is something we can do about it and with the Taxpayers ' Association, we 're going to try to do this. We have many ways to go. We can change the Constitution., the Charter of this County and we can have law by fiat, as I 've told you before. There' s one other point. One thing I would like to read to you. This comes from the Constitution of the United States and this is an excerpt. It says, "Government are initiated among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That when any, ever, any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it and to institute new government laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness. " - 3 - JUN 2 ig wlr't 110 So, be assured that we can abolish this County Council. We can abolish the Office of the Mayor, it' s guaranteed in our Constitution. It' ll be a lot of work, but I think that when the working people get their tax bills they have to pay in August, August 20, 1982, I think they're going to wake up to what is happening, that they're being beat over the head by the County Council, and I don't think they're going to like it. And certainly when the next election comes along, we, as an organization, are going to inform the people how the County Council voted and how they treated us and we will vote accordingly. Thank you. The Chair then called Mrs. Dorothea Carvalho, a resident of 394 Haili Street, who made the following statement regarding taxes. DOROTHEA My name is Dorothea Carvalho. I 'm from CARVALHO: 394 Haili Street, Hilo. I am speaking as Civic Action Committee Chairman of Malia Puka O' Kalani Church, I didn 't put down the number of people there, but it' s about 500 parishioners. For myself, so far I 've been able to pay my property taxes. Not without squirreling around for some money, but I have been able to manage it. But when I see that the taxes on the property is not what is being lessened, it' s the property values that have gone up. And even with Mrs. Hale' s suggestion of $16 . 90 per'.thousand for the land, we're still going to have to pay more taxes and there are many many people who just can't afford this. We have to do something about people keeping their homes and raising taxes is going to take their homes away from them. Those of us who get double exemptions we're not squeezing that much as far as the house, the value of the building is concerned because that is where the exemption comes off .first. But it' s the land values' that raise our taxes so much. So, I would suggest that somehow or other, the taxes on the land value has to be lowered and leave the $13 . 90. - I hadn' t had time to really sit down and figure out what my taxes would be and how much they would have gone up. But when people find out that they're going to have to pay more and more taxes, - 4 - 111 S. , they're not going to like it. They're going to start grumbling. As Warren Curtis says, you ask people to come down and speak and they say well, what' s the use? The other night, a week ago, nobody showed up. Well I 'm sorry that I didn't show up, but . I had another priority and so I couldn't come. In fact, I thought it was Thursday night to begin with and I was in jury duty locked up. So, people have reached the point where they don 't know which way to turn and so, if you have people that are going to help them organize a taxpayers ' group, they're going to join it and they're going to become. drastic. We don't want that. We don 't really need that. What we need is to have you, as our governing body, think twice, three times and even maybe four times about the amount that you're going to have this on the per $1, 000, and lower it. We don' t need to have all this extra money hanging around. Just have enough that is going to pay for what we 're doing every year and never mind about having an excess. Thank you. REFERRALS: The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order . of business, Referrals: Comm. 794: ' CIP STATUS REPORT OF PROJECTS IN CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND ' From Finance Director Stanley A. Nakamae dated May 4, 1982, submitting for information, the status of CIP projects in the Capital Projects Fund as of March 31, 1982.. CHR. FUJII: The Chair recommends to Receive and File Communication 794 . This would be filed with the Clerk' s Office. Mr. Domingo moved to receive and file the communication. Seconded by Mr. Kawahara. CHR.' FUJII: It' s been moved and seconded that we receive and file Communication 794. Mrs. Hale. MRS . HALE: Mr. Chairman, it took a lot of work to do this and I had assumed that we were going to go over this when we discussed the CIP but we didn' t. I really don 't think that it' s a good idea just to receive and file it. So, you know, there' s a lot of work that' s gone into this and I would like some report and study on this. I really think we ought to go by the 5 _ t)7 liy III 411 • projects one by one and decide if there is something, a lot of these lapses as of this year. You know, they lapse as of the end of this month and I think certainly beginning next month, we ought to update this and put these in some kind of priority list because this is what I 've been complaining about all the time. We don't haveourCIP in a priority list. We keep adding projects and adding projects and luckily, some of them eventually lapse. But to just receive and file this after all the .work that has gone into it and you know with all the budget matters we've been dealing with, and I take home piles of work every night and even I haven't been able to go after this, I doubt that all of us have been able to go at this. I really think it should be deferred. It should be up after we adopt our budget for this year and we set out next year and we go through all this list of all these lapsed projects and redo this thing and see what kind of money we have and put them into other projects. Maybe, we' ll find that we can come up now with actually if there is some money left over on some of these projects, maybe we could combine them and do some of the things we really need to do like fixing the Pahala swimming pool, or something to this effect. I really think that it' s just not good business on our part just to receive and file it. I would rather amend the motion that we defer and study it at a later date. CHR. FUJII: There is a motion to amend by---. MR. YAMASHIRO: Mr. Chairman, I believe the motion to amend would be contrary to parliamen- tary procedure because you cannot amend a motion to completely change the character of the main motion. The appropriatethingwould be to vote on the motion to receive and file and then to file another motion to amend, to defer action if that is the action. MRS. HALE: May I, please, withdraw my amendment? If the seconder will do it and then, I will substitute a motion that we defer this and we can vote on i t. MR. YAMASH'IRO: There is a motion on the floor, Mrs. Hale. - 6 - IL5 U lor MRS. HALE: We can put a substitute motion, Mr. Chairman. MR. YAMASHI'RO: : I believe that is not correct, unless you wantus to withdraw, the motion. MRS. HALE: It is perfectly parliamentary pro- cedure to vote on a substitute motion and what we're goingto do is discuss the substitute motion and vote on that, first. CHR. FUJII: I 'm not a Parliamentarian, somay I call on our Legislative Auditor for comments? MR. YAMAS'HI'RO.: Mr. Chairman, could I speak on the comments made by Mrs. Hale for her reasons of substituting on the motion to receive and file? CHR. FUJII: Youmay do so, Mr. Yamashiro. MR. YAMA.SHIRO: • Thank you. We concur that a lot of work has goneinto this compilation of CIP status reports. We are sorry that Mrs. Hale has spent so much time going over this thing under a misunderstanding that when monies lapse that there will be monies available for - reappropriation. There are no monies' in these projects that are going to' lapse. If there' s a confusion between appropriation and funding, once the monies, once the projects lapse, there is no longer a' justification for the appropriation and what we're talking about is lapsing of appropriations and not of funds. Those projects where we have allotments and allocations and unexpended balances; you take Isaac Hale Park,, where you have an unexpended allotment of $700, only in those- situations will those funds remain. Where you have no funds allotted like in the Leleiwi Beach Park, excuse me, that' s in 1984, but in a project that' s lapsing in 1982, like Kukuihaele Tennis Courts improvements, $40, 000, when that project lapses, there is no $40, 000 for reappropriation. That appropriation lapses and that authorization for the spending or the funding of that $40, 000 in thebondmonies goes with 'it. There is no money to reappropriate, as in Mrs. Hale' s thinking. If she is really concerned- about this project, it would be totally inappropriate to wait until after the adoption of the budget because once we adopt the budget, those projects that are going to lapse in 1982, will lapse and we will have no time to reauthorize them. - 7 - JUN 2 1982 i I believe that if she is sincere in her desires to restructure this Capital Improvement Project Fund budget, the thing would be to do it before- hand. Since she has indicated she wants to do it after the budget, I would think it' s only acceptable at this time to receive and file because there is nothing to do on this CIP status fund report and that if we want to pro- ceed with the restructing of outstanding capital improvements projects, we can do it on our own and use this report as a resource material. Thank you. CHR. FUJII: Councilman Schutte. MR. SCHUTTE: I yield at this time. CHR. FUJII: Councilwoman Hale. MRS. HALE: Mr. Chairman, I fully understand. I think I understand the budget procedure as well as Mr. Yamashiro. He doesn't have to give me an education on what happens. But as he pointed out himself, there are several projects that have been completed and there are unexpended allotments, as he started out with the $700 on Isaac Hale Park, and there are a number of them that have been completed that will lapse on July 30th. All. I 'm saying is that we have done no study on this at all. Therewill be money left over. I really would have liked--- MR. YAMASHIRO: iked---MR. YAMASHIRO: Point of personal privilege, Mr. Chairman. MRS. HALE: If you would excuse me, I •didn't interrupt you, Mr. Yamashiro. I really would have liked to have discussed this. I would have hoped that we would have spent more time on the CIP budget and we would have gone through this. Obviously, there isn't enough time to do this now. I 'm just saying that for reference material, using Mr. Yamashiro' s own words, we should keep this communication alive, defer it, and use it for reference so that when we find out at the end of the year that we might have some more surplus funds, we ' ll at least know approximately how much we might have to spend on other projects. We do do supplementary budgets during theyear and the budgetprocessis not completed just with our vote today. So, all I 'm saying is we have not given this communication any study. We have - 8 - JUN 2 1992 • •1. not given it the proper consideration and I don 't think that just to accept and file it---. This is the first time that it' s been on the agenda and all we 're going to do with all of this information is accept and file it. I sug- gest that we defer it and that we take it up when we consider supplementary budgets or what we might have in the way of projects that we could redo this Capital Improvements budget after July 1st, because some of these projects will have lapsed. I realize that if the money hasnot been allotted to begin with, there' s going to be no surplus. I 'm talking about pro- jects that have been allotted, that have been completed and there is still money left over. And you know, just to get the Finance Director to spend all his time to give us this and then accept and file it, which just means throw it in the wastebasket, we don't really care about this, to me is irresponsible government. I'm only asking that we defer it and that we take it up at a later time and really give it some serious consideration and study it. See what happens after the projects are completed and that will lapse, what will the picture be? We ' ll need an update on it but at least this gives us some idea of what projects we are funding and what money is left over and where we're going to spend it. CHR. FUJII: Thank you, Councilwoman Hale. Councilman Yamashiro. MR. YAMASHIRO: Mr. Chairman, I just want to beg to differ .with one thing. Mrs. Hale freely uses the term we have not done any study, we have not done any work. if she wants to talk on her own behalf that shehas not done any study or she has not done any work, then she should refrain from using the term in general to encompass all of us. I think she carrys this blue book around with her as if she seems to be using it. This compilation that the Finance Director has presented us with is in this blue book every month. It is before us every month. All she has to do is look to the back of the book every month and if she wants to restructure it, it is there every month. CHR. FUJII: Mr. Yamashiro and Mrs. Hale, I 'm going to stop this argument at this point and call on Mr. Schutte. Mr. Schutte. MR. SCHUTTE: Mr. Chairman. I call for a short recess at this time. - 9 - 111 r RECESS: The Chair called a short recess at 9 : 27 a.m. RECONVENED: The meeting reconvened at 9: 34 a.m. CHR. FUJII: A motion is on the floor. The motion is to receive and. file. The Chair will followup this motion with bringing this concern back to the Finance Committee at a later date. If there's no . further discussion onthe motion, the Chair would like to call for the question. MISS LAI: Mr. Chairman. CHR. FUJII: Councilwoman Lai. MISS LAI: It' s my understanding, according to Councilman Schutte, that you will bring this matter back, the ,status report of the project, is that correct? CHR. FUJII: To the Finance Committeerather than the Committee of the Whole: MMISS 'LAI: For discussion, not as of today? CHR. FUJII: For discussion. MISS LAI: Yes. If that is the case, then you will bring this matter back then. and I under- stand that we will be discussing that. Mrs. Hale, ifthat' s alright with you? MRS. HALE.: Yes.. Mr. Chairman, my light is on also. CHR. FUJII: Mrs. Hale. MRS. HALE: I will go along with the motion, Mr. Chairman, with that understanding that we will discuss it. And since, as so aptly and correctly pointed out by our Council Chairman, it is in thisreport at the end of the month, I suggest we take the June 30th final report and use that then as the basis for discussion instead of just accepting and filing this report every day. - 10 - JUN 082 ® 411 But I have to make one more comment about my colleague and that is that he implies that I carry the book around for show. I 'd like to say that when I consider that we have not done anything, it is that we, as a Council, have not discussed it. What I do as an individual is immaterial. It' s only what we do as a Council that counts. What he does as an individual is immaterial. It' s what we do as a Council that counts. And that' s why, I am concerned that we will discuss it at least. CHR. FUJII : Okay, Mrs. Hale, you had the final say. The Chair would like to call for the question. MRS. HALE: Thank you. Vote on the motion: Unanimously carried. Comm. 797 : FIS STATEMENTS FOR PROPOSED CIP PROJECTS From Finance Director Nakamae dated May 6, 1982, submitting for information, the Financial Impact Statements for projects proposed in the Capital Budget for FY 1982-83 . CHR. FUJII: The Chair recommends that we receive and file Communication 797 . Councilwoman Lai. MISS LAI : Mr. Chairman, it was so poorly done, so I agree that we receive and file, with the understanding that you and I will come out with a revised form of Financial Impact Statement. Miss Lai moved to receive and file the communication. Seconded by Mrs. Hale and unanimously carried. Comm. 803 : PROPOSAL TO INCREASE DRIVER LICENSE FEES (Bill 854) From Finance Director Nakamae dated May 10, 1982, submitting Bill 854, to implement the increased driver license fees for FY 1982-83 . CHR. FUJII : The Chair recommends passage of Bill 854 . - 11 - Mr. De Luz moved to receive and file and communication and recommend passage of Bill 854 on first reading. Seconded by Mr. Schutte. CHR. FUJII: It' s been moved and seconded that we receive and file Communication 803 and recommend passage of Bill 854 on first reading: MISS LAI : Mr. Chairman, with regards to this bill, I hope that the media can help us out and explain as to why we will support this bill. I think there was some breakdown in explaining that this will help us with our Traffic Enforce- ment Unit. This was not conveyed to the media with regards to Bill 854 . CHR. FUJII : I think the communications have been read out and I. think the media must have read those communications, Miss Lai. So, if they refrain from putting it in the paper, there' s nothing we can do about that. Councilwoman Hale. MRS. HALE: Mr. Chairman. I 'd like to point out that although the Mayor ' s budget did say that the reason was to increase our traffic enforcement, actually, that' s going to take a commitment on our part because we're putting this money in the General Fund. There' s no obligation, there' s no special fund that this money is going to go just for that. So, hopefully, we will all keep alert and we will use this for traffic enforce- ment and on the basis of that, I would suggest that we, at a later time, ask for at least quarterly reports from the Police Department as to exactly the effectiveness of this unit and what they're doing. CHR. FUJII: Te will do that, Mrs. Hale. Vote on the motion: Unanimously carried. Comm. 812 : ADJU'S'TME'N'T IN TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM FUNDING (Bill 856) From Finance Director Nakamae dated May 12, 1982, submitting Bill 856 , requesting adjustment to the budget by reducing revenues and appropriations in the amount of $345, 812 , for the Traffic Enforcement Program. - 12 - • • CHR. FUJII : This is for house cleaning, the Chair recommends approval of Bill 856 . Mr. De Luz moved to receive and file Communication 812 and recommend approval of Bill 856 . Seconded by Miss Lai and unanimously carried. Comm. 814 : REQUESTS FUNDING OF WAILUKU-ALENAIO CONTROL PROJECT From Roy Shigenaga, District Director, Waiakea Soil & Water Conservation District dated May 13, 1982 , requesting support of their request to include $110, 000 in the County' s FY 1982-83 budget for the Wailuku-Alenaio Control Project. CHR. FUJII: The Chair recommends approving this communication. At this time, I would like to call a short recess so we could have somebody from the Public Works Department come and listen to our discussion. RECESS: The Chair called a short recess at 9 : 39 a.m. RECONVENE: The meeting reconvened at 9 : 46 a.m. (At this time, Chief Engineer Edward Harada came forward to answer questions from the Council. ) CHR. FUJII : Mr. Harada, the Chair ' s recommendation is to approve Communication 814 , but we have no motion on the floor at this point in time. We have some questions that the members would like to pose to you. Councilman Schutte® MR. SCHUTTE: Mr. Chairman, under the circumstances, wouldn' t it then be appropriate to have a motion have it seconded, and then discuss it? CHR. FUJII: Yes, the Chair wouldn't mind if we have a motion on the floor. Mr. De Luz moved for the approval of Communication 814 . Seconded by Mr. Schutte. - 13 - • CHR. FUJII: There' s a motion by Mr. De Luz and a second by Mr. Schutte, any discussion? Miss Lai. MISS LAI: Yes, Mr. Chairman., I 'd like it if Mr. Harada can give us a background before we approve ofthis project. Ed, tell us a little bitaboutthis project? MR. HARADA: Okay. This is a four-phase project that we've worked in conjunction with the State and the Federal Soil and Water Conservation District. We have been able to accomplish the first phase which was the construction of the diversion channel above AkoleaRoad to handle much of the floodwater that camein that region. The second phase is for construction of a diver- sion channel in the vicinity mauka of Chongmanville. We have a prior appropriation by the County Council, I think it was in the 80-81 session, that provided our local share, but because of the fact that bonds have not been floated to finance that appropriation, we have not been able to move onthat project as yet. So, this letter speaks to the second phase which is that portion above Chongmanville. Under the program thenthelocal government, the County, would be responsible to secure all land rights, which means that we have to purchase all of the rights-of-way that -are necessary for the construction. 'The Federal government would then provide the funding for the actual construction of the diversion channel. MISS LAI: Thank you. CHR. FUJII: Mr. Domingo. MR. DOMINGO.: Mr. Harada,, under what priority list would this project be concerning the total list that is under the Public Works Department? MR. 'HARA'DA: Well, that' s a difficult question to answer. As you recall, we have about $10 million backlog of projectsthat have prior appropriation but no funding. So, I think we would have to look at thatentirelist before we can say you know wherethis project falls in the ranking. The thing that makes this project somewhat favorable is that there are some Federal funds attached to it, and I believe the Federal funding amounts to somewhere in the neighborhood of $300, 000. - 14 - JUN 2 982 v • • MR. DOMINGO: I see. I ask this question because, originally upon receipt of a letter which I think was sent to individual Council- persons in the Council and upon inquiry of Administration, I was told that it' s not on a priority list and that's why, there has been no request whatsoever for funds. You know, I can see, and it does look awfully tempting because there is a $300, 000 figure just dangling in front of us, if we match that then the project can go. But then if we ask ourselves what are the priorities that the department has in other areas, then you know, I asked the question because I, for myself, know that there are some situations in otherdistricts where I would consider just as high a priority as this project. That' s all, Mr. Chairman. (Miss Lai left the meeting at 9: 50 a.m. ) CHR. FUJII: Thank you, Mr. Domingo. Mr. Schutte. MR. SCHUTTE: I yield at this time. CHR.. FUJII: Mr. Kawahara. (Miss Lai returned to the meeting at 9: 57 a.m. ) MR. KAWAHARA: Mr. Harada, will the extensive housing projects in the area be one of the beneficiaries of this flooding project? MR. HARADA: No, not this phase. The phase that' s referred to in Mr. Shigenaga' s letter, no. MR. KAWAHARA: I see. Not at all? MR. HARADA: The housing projects that you're referring to is the one in Ainako? MR. KAWAHARA: Mauka of this, Church above Akolea Road. MR. HARADA: No, that project had been affected by the first increment, the diversion channel above Akolea Road. So, there has been some relief on that lower land with the construction of that channel. - 15 - JUN 2 • •. . MR. KAWAHARA: I see. MR. 'HARADA: This is in the vicinity of Chongmanville. MR. KAWAHARA: Oh, this is makai. MR.': HARADA: Yes, makai of Akolea Road MR. KAWAHARA: Okay. Thank you. CHR® FUJII: Mrs. Hale. MRS. HALE: Mr. Chairman, may I ask Mr. Harada a question? Did you put this in your original budget request? MR. HARADA: Well, it has been appropriated. There are funds that have been appropriated for the project in the 1980-81 CIP. MRS. HALE: Yes, and they will lapse. Is that the one survey. 'on .Alenaio stream, $400, 000 appropriation? V - MR. HARADA: No, I think there' s a $100, 000, Wailuku-Alenaio project. - MRS. 'HALE: Wailuku-Alenaio watershed, there ' s another $400, 000; allotment of $300, 000, and expenditureof $169, 000. This says it' s an ongoing project, so it already is in our Bond Fund, is that right? If we do float bonds this year, we could 'go ahead with this project? MR. HARADA': It' s in Ordinance 586, $100,000. Wailuku-Alenaio Stream® _ MRS. HALE: Well on Ordinance 289, there was an appropriation of $400, 000; and an allotment of $300, 000; maybe that' s the difference to the other ordinance, with $100, 000. There' s another in Ordinance 586, there ' s another $100, 000, funds pending bond float. So actually, if we did float the bonds as recommended. by V the Mayor, we could go ahead with this project without a special appropriations? - 16 - JUN 2 198 I�' a 411 MR. HARADA: That's correct. MRS. HALE: Mr. Chairman, why -would you then recommend that we approve this? CHR. 'FUJII: Because, Mrs. Hale, we're not sure whether we can get the bond money, the cash, by September 30. If we don't have it by September 30, we' ll lose the funding. This is in the pipeline right now and I don't think we' ll have any appropriations like this, with the new Reaganomics, that' s cutting funds from the local,:government. MRS. HALE: And where do you propose to get the money, you don 't know? CHR. FUJII: No, I plan to take it out---. I think I have mentioned it in my communication, Mrs. Hale. MRS. HALE: In your communication., then we could receive and file this and take up your communication. CHR.' FUJII: That' s just as good, if we can accept it. But if we can state our position here on Communication 814, to approve and then when we come to my communication, we canamend the budget. MRS. HALE: In view of the fact that the Chief Engineer says this is not top priority, he has not put' it on top priority, 'why would you recommend this over other' flood control projects? CHR."FUJII: Because there is some $330, 000 that has beenplanned and worked on up 'to this point intime. -' --It' s there for us to, 'as` long as we can match ..that fund., 25 percent of, that' fund, 'then we will be entitled to this money. Once September 3-0th comes around,. then we 're going to lose it because' .I don 't think we' ll have new appropriations of this sort in the future. MRS.' HALE May I ask the Engineer, are there other Federal funds that are available to us by September 30th for flood control or is it only this project? MR.. HARA:DA: Not for this project. For this project, --- - 17 - JJii 2 1'3'32 111 111 MRS . HALE: Only for this project? Are there other, is it a general flood control appropriation that he' s talking about orisit a specific project? MR. HARADA: It' s for this project. MRS. HALE: For this project. There are no other projects that we would lose if we did not do this by September 30th? MR. HARADA: No. CHR. FUJII: Councilman Domingo. MR. DOMINGO: I had my question answered, thank you. CHR. 'FUJII: If there' s no further questions, thank you, Mr. Harada. (At this time Finance Director Stanley Nakamae came forward to answer questions from the Councilmembers. ) CHR. FU'JII: Mrs. Hale. MRS. HALE: May we ask Mr. Nakamae why in view of the factthat there is supposedly Federal money, why this was not includedin the original g Mayor ' s budget? The Mayor.- has some other reason for not including this, although- there' s Federal funds available? I would think' that this would have been considered by 'the Mayor, that' s my point and what I 'm trying to find out is why this was not included in the Mayor' s budget if there were Federal funds. CHR. FUJII: The question is germane. Mr. Nakamae. MR. NAKAMAE: No, I don' t really know why it wasn't included in the Mayor' s budget--- MRS. HALE: Who made that decision? - 18 - JUN 2 • MR. NAKAMAE: Because of the availability of Federal fundsdoes not really dictate the priority of projects. All of these requests that went into the CIP came up through the departments and then to the Planning Director who would then determine what would be the priority projects that should be recommended in the CIP. MRS. HALE: And this was not recommended by the Planning Director? It was not recommended as top priority by the Department Head and that' s why the "Mayor' s' budget does not include it--- MR. NAKAMAE: t---MR. 'NAKAMAE: That' s correct. MRS . HALE: Even thoughthere are Federal funds available? Whatis the Administration' s philosophy on using Federal funds? It' s not that we shouldjust useFederalfunds that they're available? MR. NAKAMAE: ' Well., we'd like to certainly get Federal funds but it has to fit into the overall plan of scheme of development that we think is advisable. MRS. HALE: So what I 'm trying to say, Mr. Chairman, if the Administration feels that Federal funds is not a good reason just for us to do this and they have put their emphasis on other projects, then it seems to mewe have to have a better justification then just Federal, funds, too? You know, it has to be a justification on this project is more important than another project or somethingto that effect. I just don't see that just because -.there ' s some Federal funds out there that we have to make this top priority. CHR. FUJII: Mrs. Hale, I think the Administration has recognized the need of improvement in this area, that' s why the appropriation has been made in the past. The only thing hereis because there' s Federal funds, it' s probably wise for us to utilize these Federal funds at this point in time because Federal funds are drying up. That's why I think the Council, since we can make recommendations in the Mayor' s budget, has come up with this recommendation. MRS. HALE: So, what you're saying is then that the reason for, the justification, and we're - 19 - 111 • supposedtohave Financial Impact Statements for all of this and we don't have a Financial Impact Statement for this, but the justification that you are suggesting is Federal funds. My question isarethere other Federal funds in other areas that -we could take advantage of? If Federal funds is going to be the reason that we're going to appropriate local money, then we ought to have a list of all Federal funds that are available now and that might not be available, you know, after September, October or November to make this decision. But just to make this decision on the basis ofone request when it' s not in the Mayor' s budget, it' s not in the Public Work' s priority list, it ' s not in the Planning Director ' s priority list and there' s no Financial Impact Statement to go along with this, I don't know, I 'm not satisfied that this is just a good enough reason.. I would like to hear from some 'ofmy other colleagues. I 'm at a position to be convinced but--- CHR. FUJI I: Mr. Schutte. MR. S'CH-UTTE: - Yes, Mr. Chairman, may I question Mr. Harada, please? Ed, just to kind of straighten things out a little bit, are we to understand: thatbecause of the .Mayornot putting this request in his budget that he doesn't take this as being .a top priority item, as you men- tioned earlier, what is your feeling on this? In other words, if we 're going to appropriate the necessary monies for this alldit' s going to be shelved for 'a period of time, then it' s insignificant or whatever we do. here. But is it your intention to continue and bring this project or this phase of it to a completion or are you still of the opinion that it is not that importantat this time and inspite of the Federal funds that may lapse, you don't feel it necessary to make this money available? MR. HARADA: Well, when you look at the Mayor' s budget, his capital submittal to you refers to new projects, new appropriations. The Mayor' s submittal on his capital program do not include resubmittal of prior appropriations for funding purposes. I think the key to -the Mayor' s capital program is how the $7 million request is to be spent once the bonds are floated, because we're looking at a backlog of $10 million to $12 million worth of projects. The ones that are included in the submittal that' s before you for your consideration are' new 'projects that wouldbe added on to the prior $10 million that has been previously appropriated. 20 - JUN 2 /62 411 111 I think the key question is you know, how are the monies to be spent once the bonds are floated? This request is kind of coming in between now because bonds have not been floated and there is no cash available in the Mayor' s budget to fund the $100, 000 request. So, if the Council is to look on this favorably, from my point of view,, is that they would have to seek different sources of funding to satisfy the $100, 000 either by ' interfund borrowing to be repaid when the $7 million bonds are floated or some mechanism in that way.. I think, and I think Mrs. Hale brought th s'rout-, at one time, is that we would have to re-analyze all of the prior appropriations and then set up some sort of priority system "such that when the bonds are floated, whether it' s $5 or $7 million, then the higher priority projects would then be followed through on. I 'm not too sure whether I answered your question or not, Councilman Schutte. MR. SCHUTTE: Ed, not quite. I 'm still trying to carry it a little bit more as to first of all, if we have some projects, and you mentioned that the Mayor' s projects under CIP are new projects because this has already been funded in the past, but it' s my understanding that this project is not fully completed yet and there ' s much more to be done. Wouldn't it be more appropriate at this time to finalize this project before we jump into some other new project and because we do have Federal funding take advantage' of that? Finish funding this project, assuming that we can juggle funds around to make it work or have monies available, that we continue with this project and if we did make these monies available, would you consider this a priority project to have it finalized prior to the expira- tion deadline? MR. HARADA: Yes, if funds are to be' made avail- able and ifthere isa desire to protect the $300, 000 funding, then certainly this is one of the higher priority projects for those that have been already appropriated, funds have been appropriated previously. And perhaps, the Federal funding portion would make the difference in termsof your attitude whether it should be, you know, the local share shouldbe funded or not. But the thing is you still come down to the basic question, where ' s the money going to come from? - 21 - • MR. SCHUTTE: Just making some assumptions at this time, assuming like. I mentioned earlier that money was made available to finalize this particular phase of this project, would you anticipate moving ahead with this as a priority mentioned? MR. HARADA: If you 're asking me whether I would support the project if the local funds are made available, I ' ll say, certainly, yes. MR. SCHUTTE: Okay, thank you. CHR. FUJII : Councilman Yamashiro. MR. YAMA:SHIRO: Mr. Harada, are plans ready for this project as far as the Federal funds being used for planning? MR. HARADA: I don 't believe the design has been completed as yet. What the Federal government wants is a commitment by September 30th on the local share and that commitment would then tie up the Federal share which is $300, 000 and then, the project would proceed accordingly. MR. YAMASHIRO: You could proceed on it, it' s not something that could be hung up for a long. period of time? MR. HARADA: No. MR. YAMASHIRO: Out of these proposals in the new CIP, how many projects are really ready to proceed at the closing of incremental appropria- tions? Like the Kailua Police Station, that's not ready to proceed, right, we don 't even have the land yet? MR. HARADA: Yes, the Kailua Police Station, we're planning; the Puna Police Station, there. would have to be some design work done for that. MR. YAMASHIRO: Subject to relocation problems? MR® HARADA: Yes. Puna Parks, the Mountain View portion would need some plans. Kohala, Kona swimming pool, would need some drawings. Hoolulu Park improvements, I 'm not too sure what that is. - 22 - I-EN 2 1982, 111 • On the Public Works side, Kuakini Highway side- walks wouldneed some design effort. The Mohoul.i Street is completed. Alii Drive realign- ment is in design. Kona flood. .control would need some design effort. . Hamakua, Ka'u and South Kohala road improvements would 'be in-house design type of projects that couldbe done very quickly. Eight, nine and ten could be done almost immediately because they're resurfacing type projects. Buthere again, these are all to be bond floated so, you know, the cash is not there anyway. MR. YAMASHIRO: Even if you had the cash today you would not be able to proceed on eight, nine andten and the rest would haveto be put off withdesignto determine if we would have enough money, just like our hospital renovations, we' ll appropriate $600, 000, having a little bit of an overrun after the design phase? MR. HARADA: It' s really one of degrees. I think five to ten could go quite quickly on the Public Works projects. Onetofour would need some design work except for. number 2, which is, completed. (Mr. Dahlberg left the meeting at 10: 03 a.m. ) MR. YAMAS'HIRO: So actually, if the $100, 000 was extracted from this whole budget, could it cripple any one project? MR. HARADA: The thing is about that $100, 000 though the Federal government wouldwant a cash commitment, you know, it' s not a--- MR. YAMASHIRO: ---MR. 'YAMASHIRO: Take it out of the Mayor ' s Salary and Wages account, something like that, right? CHR. FUJII: . That recommendation is taken out from the Risk Management Insurance Bond. We have lots of lights here, so please be patient. I' ll call the lights as the lights went on. Councilwoman Hale. MRS. HALE: I would like 'to ask a question® There' s an appropriation in the Bond Fund, there' s three for this Wailuku-Alenaio Watershed. One was for $47 ,000, ,of which we've spent $12. 70; - 23 - JUN 2 r Aft one was for $2, 000 or no, that was an appro- priation, we spent $2, 000; Diversion Number 4 Extension, what is that? We did number 4 before number 2? MR. HARADA: That's completed. MRS. HALE: We did Number 4? MR. HARADA: Four went first. MRS. HALE : I see. What do the numbers mean then, one, two, three, four? MR. HARADA: Well, there 's four different segments of the plan and Diversion 4 was the diversion channel that was constructed above Akolea Road. MRS. HALE: I see. MR- HARADA: It was done in two phases and the second phase was extension of Diversion 4 . MRS. HALE: Okay. CHR.' FUJII: Councilman Domingo. MR. DOMINGO:" Mr. Harada, then what we're dis- cussing at this time would eventually complete the entire project, flood control project for that Alenaio Stream? MR. HARADA: I believe, no, there' s still one or ' two more phases that needs to be done. I think there were four to start with and was pared down to three phases. So, this 'is the second phase of the system. MR. DOMINGO: Will there be any Federal funds anticipated for the remaining phases of this project? MR. HARADA: There might be. From what we understand, Federal fundsmight be somewhat dif- ficult to achieve in the future, so it' s a question at this point. 24 JUN 2 dS1` • MR. 'DOMINGO: What would be the additional cost involved in the completion of the projects aside from what we're talking about right now? MR. HARADA: Gee, I '.m not sure 'of that cost. I think it' s similar in scope to the second phase, about $400,000, totally. (Mr.. Yamashiro 'left the meeting at 10: 09 a.m. ) MR. DOMINGO: ' Thank you. CHR: FU'JII: Thank you, Mr. Domingo. Mr. De Luz. MR.' DE LUZ I wanted to know if , the $100, 000 could stay on paper as a commitment until the time comes that we could find the money. He says he wants cash, right? The Federal government wants cash. CHR. F'UJII: . Mr. De Luz, we're trying to, the Chair ' s recommendation is to take it from Risk Management Fund. We have to put the monies out there in front, otherwise nothing' s going to happen. Mr. Kawahara. MR. KAWAHARA: Mr. Harada, I 've been passing along Alenaio Stream for the last 9 years and everytime I pass there, I see hundreds and millions and millions of gallons of water coming down the stream and down to perhaps the ocean. What do you think of theidea of diverting, that water, taking itback up into the Saddle area for use by the military and. for irrigation? , Would that be feasible? MR.' HARADA: Well, Alenaio Stream is not a flowing stream. 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Tem. sI :vQ VH '2IW zoTeualy ; q; ;,usT 'eaToxv MoTaq ;snC '• U urnex aopun sMou u meg; urea.zgs bTq Aggo.Id u s ,a.zaq; puu abpTJq P s ,a.tag4 'e.zaq; MoTaq ;snr -:XRIVHVMFZ)I •.aTwT •salt 'ToogoS PU WriPH :VCREH..H. .'.2dW . zsT Toogos PuPuznpx a IagM Mous[ noc :VUVHVMV?i '2iTAI LToouos o)[PuTV go epzs aaggo @IR uo sq; auo aqs •urnaz4S m[nTTPM -P bu1)[ooI as i nolo s[uTT 4 I :VGVUVH 'HW zoreuaTv ;eqq q ,usT 'peoH pUPwnpH aapun sasso.zo qi •Toogos eupuinex MoTaq s ,feu. uzeaags a yup go buTXuTq; uz, I J,TT scop '2ueuznpx ssoao q,usaop TT2M 'ON :X2TKfVMVN '2IW •apTs .Iaqqo egg uo ureaags m[nITPM s ,; q; 'ON :KQVJV.H '21W • of this project and although there are four phases to this project and we just completed one, this is one of those four important phases that' s going to help correct, if not totally, substantially the drainage problem in the Kaumana/ Ainako area. We really have a serious problem there and so, I think ifwe take themerits of the program and the fact that we have these Federal funds available, you know, I would be in favor of this project. I think it' s not only the Federal funds but it' s a real problem and you know, maybe I 'm closer to this kind of problem because we have such severe flooding in the areas of Pahala. and Naalehu, Waiohinu. But you know, when we don't have the flooding, everythings fine and I 'm sure the Chief Engineer can attest to this. But when we have the flooding, whether it's in Kona where we were hit severely several months ago or it' s inHilo in this area that always gets hit or in other parts of the island, as the disaster chief has said to me many times, you know we have a flooding problem island-wide, so I 'd be in favor of continuing to solve this problem that we have. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CHR. FUJII: Thank you, Mr. Dahlberg. Mrs. Hale. MRS. HALE: I still have doubts that the Public Works Department has not put this up on top priority and I'm certainly not an expert in soil conservation. I think that this letter was written on May 13th, and it could 've been discussed when we discussed the CIP, but it wasn' t, it' s brought up now, at the last minute. We don' t really have any real justification for it, it' s in the Bond Fund. I have a question on procedure. Couldn't we, since this is already in the Bond Fund, couldn't we, by resolution,- borrow money. from the General Fund to complete this? You know, we have $200, 000 in Contingency, we're going to have surplus probably at the end of theyear _, couldn' t we, by resolution, transfer or tap if we needed it, since it' s already in the Bond Fund as a project? CHR. FU'JII: Rather than a resolution because we are identifying where the funds will come from, Mrs. Hale, I think this is a better procedure. In this situation, we are trying to identify--- - 27 - 111 (Mr. Yamashiro returned to the meeting at 10 : 17 a.m. ) (Mr. De Luz left the meeting at 10 :17 a.m. ) MRS. HALE: You're identifying taking them from a self-insurance fund, that ' s your suggestion. All I 'm saying is that if at the end of the fiscal year, which will be before September 30th, we find that we have cash funds, we have surplus, rather than depleting our health insurance fund for something like this, because once we do this for a project like this it seems to methere' s no end, you know, the other Soil Conservation districts probably didn' t realize that they could come up with their request in Ka 'u for instance by letter and get it even though the Mayor didn't include it in his budget, it wasn 't in top priority. So, it appears to me that if after further study and going into it, it' s already in the Bond Fund that we could if we find the extra cash, we could by resolution transfer the cash to meet this September 30th deadline. In the meantime, I think we ought to then we 'd have a possibility of knowing whether there ' s some unexpended balances of this Bond. Fund at the end of June 30th and maybe, we won't have to take it out of the Self Insurance fund. So, it' s already there and I see no reason that if we do find the cash, we couldn' t come up with it by September 30th and, therefore, my inclination is to say that we should not do this by special appropriation, we should just let it stand asit is already in the Bond fund and if we find the cash, we do it. C'HR.' 'FUJII : Mrs. Hale_, my recommendation would be to take it out from this Risk Management fund and then, if we do have--- MRS. HALE: ave---MRS."HALE: We 're not on that right now, but--- CHR. FUJII : But if we do have funds in the future, I think we can always put it back_ in Risk Management. I think this is much more precise if we do something like that. Miss Lai. MISS LAI: Ed, you know in our discussion on this project, where is this project in the end, where ' s the water going to empty out to? I mean, I 'm concerned, we were talking about, it could affect--- - 28 - • MR. HARRADA: Yes, it' s going to follow the same path. This is above the Chong bridge, Miss Lai, it' s a portion between Akolea Plantation Sub- division and Chong Bridge that would be improved and--- MISS LAI:. However, what about the areas below, I think we were talking about that? MR.' HARADA: Yes, we had concerns about the down- stream impact but in looking at it much further, we find that the downstream impact would be minimum. (Mr. De Luz returned to the meeting at 10: 18 a.m. ) MISS LAI: So, it wouldn't be as we thought it could be? MR. HARADA: As severe as we thought it might be, yes. MISS LAI: Mr. Chairman, I had concerns about this project and I .did sit down with Mr. Harada. We were concerned that even though say we did this project and that portion that this funding would address, we would be concerned about the rest of the project that it might, though we correct a certain part of the drainage problems, what about the rest? That impact might be great and might be very- severe, but if Mr. Harada is saying that it would be minimal after doing further research, then that' s fine with me. I don' t like how this whole project was handled because my initial discussion with Mr. Harada, the County government did not deem this asreally top priority. But I understand that some of my colleagues were concerned, perhaps in talking to the Soil and Conservation people, that they decided to support this project. But I think we're lacking some of the information and this is brought out on the floor by some of the Councilmembers. We 're lacking FIS. We're lacking information that we normally .would get ifthis was on board. And so, these things are unfortunate, you know. I think it ' s a good project it' s just that I don't particular care how it was handled. - 29 - JUN 2 1982 • Aft CHR. FU'JII: Did Mr. Harada satisfy your major concerns, Miss- Lai? MISS LAI: I still would have some concerns Mr. Chairman. Vote on the motion: Unanimously carried. Comm. 821: GRAPH TRACKING COUNTY EXPENDITURES FROM 1967 TO 1981 From Mayor Herbert T. Matayoshi dated May 18, 1982, submitting a graph which tracks County Government expenditures from 1967 on an actual dollar basis as compared with expenditures based on 1967 dollars. CHR. FUJII: The Chair recommends to receive and file Communication 821. Mr. Yamashiro moved to receive and file the Communication. Seconded by Mr. De Luz and unanimously carried. Comm. 835: ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL FOR REAL' PROPERTY TAX RATE'S FOR -'1982-83' Memo ' to Chairman Stephen K.' Yamashiro and Councilmembers from Councilwoman Helene H. Hale dated May 20, 1982, submitting for consideration, an alternative of real property tax rates in place of the Mayor ' s proposal of $14. 90 across- the-board for all buildings and $17 . 90 for all land. CHR. FUJII: The Chair recommends to receive and file Communication 835. Mr. De Luz moved to receive and file the Communication. Seconded by Mr. Kawahara. CHR. FUJII: There is a motion and second, is there any discussion? Councilwoman Hale. MRS. HALE: I would like to speak against receiving and filing, Mr. Chairman, because and I 'm not going to argue with my colleague over here as to what' s proper procedure, but I 'm - 30 - J1�L� 2 Ic:; 7 • 111 going to request to vote "no" on the receiving and filing because that means that you do not take my proposal very seriously and. I really think that it' s a, very serious proposal. I had work done to show you exactly what would happen if we take one more dollar off ofbuildings for single family residentialand one dollar off of single family land in order to help our senior citizens who, as was pointed out earlier, do not necessarily get the benefit of the across-the- board building deduction because it' s their land that has increased in value on older homes-. I would like to point out, Mr. Chairman, that the philosophy behind this is., and although it has been called a sop, you know, or giving a bone, I 'd rather give a bone than nothing. If you're not even going to give this, then I think there' s very likely no consideration to more serious cuts than the budget. It was a tentative, proposal' based upon the budget that we went through without any major changes that will decrease our revenues by some $186, 000 which you have said in effect, is really kind of a pot that we cantop because you want to top it for flood control. So, I 'm suggesting that we tap that pot of the Self Insurance fund for giving some tax relief to our homeowners and particularly to those who happen to be a little older. I agree thoroughly with the arguments that have been made and: that is that we should increase homeowner exemption. That is, I think we' re all aware, the public may not be altogether aware, of the fact that we do not have the power unilaterally at this time to increase home exemption. As the Mayor pointed out in his budget message, his proposal of reducing $3 . 00 across-the-board was a one-time shot. There was no guarantee that this was going to be possible next year because we don' t know what the Federal budget is going to be. But as a temporary relief because of the fact that our assessments for this year have gone so high, because those assessments were based on property values two years agowhen property values were high, we were going to give this relief to people now 'by reducing the rates. To me, it' s not fair to reduce the rate across- the-board on all buildings because you are giving equal weight then to industrial, to resort, to commercial, to businesses that have to take the cost of the land and the building into their business consideration in determining the' profitability of their concernsand they can often recapture it by raising the prices or cutting cost. But a homeowner has no way to - 31 JUN 2 • • recapture this except to get a lower tax bill. So, I would think that, I would hope that my colleagues would take my proposal seriously and reduce the single family residential rate by an additional dollar to $13 . 90; reduce the other classifications only $2. 00 to , $15, 90; and reduce the land for single family residential by $1. 00 to $16. 90. This way, ..I_ think., we are at least recognizing the fact thatwe have done the homeowners a great disservice by having to go along with the assessments:over which we really have no control because they are profes- sionally done., hopefully. .But we do have the control of the tax rate point right now, and that' s the point we are on, and if we gave this relief by tax, rate., I think we could give some relief although it would be minor, it would be some relief and in the right direction to show that we do have the concern of the single family residential people and the basic taxpayer popu- lation at heart. . And rather than across-the-board on all businesses and all industrial and all resort hotels and .all speculative properties, I really think that my suggestion warrants your serious consideration and- I would hope that my colleagues would vote down the motion to accept and file and indicate their support for this. CHR. FUJII: Thank. you, Mrs. Hale. Mr. Yamashiro. CHR.. 'YAMAS'HI'RO: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe the motion and second to receive and file this proposal is not a repudiation of that concern'. We have, however,_ in our last Real Property Tax Committee accepted' a proposal for discussion and we' ll be sending copiesto each member of each County Council which do two things. We have two separate proposals. One, would freeze the tax rate on the tax assessment, excuse me, the assessed valuation and' tax bill on all multiple exemption property as of 1982. Any increase in the tax would be deferred until the property is either sold or transferred. The other proposal is in recognition of the constant diminuation of the home exemption and there are several proposals that -are, before us. One that is being circulated for comment and only as a- vehicle for comment is the key to tax home- owners- exemption as a 'ratio, so that as the value of the home goes up., the value of the exemption goes up proportionately, that there will be no loss in the value of the home exemption. It'd be 'like setting it up at an arbitrary percentage would be used, then the proposed bill is 20percent. Mr. Schutte, I know, has another proposal instead of a set ratid, and automatic indexing which will be also discussed in conjunction with this bill. - 32 - JUN 2 1962 These proposals, we feel, area much better means of addressing this concern of taxpayer: relief to the residentialhomeowner, especially those in the senior citizen category. It' s not a piecemeal approach using tax. rates which we 've seen has backfired in other counties. . Maui County, for instance, set their rate down at 6 . 06 and every year since then, they have had to raise their rate. I don't think we want to be placed in that position. We want to achieve true equitable taxi relief. This proposal will be addressed by all four County Council ' s, would be looked through by all people and you people will all have your chance 'to give input. I feel that this method would be a better means than:: just giving piecemeal relief by changes in rates. That is why, I feel I will vote to receive and file this motion. CHR. FUJII: Thank you, Mr. Yamashiro. Mr. _ Domingo. MR. DOMINGO: Mr. Chairman, could we ask the Council Chairman at what time would we be able to review the proposal? MR. 'YAMASHIRO: You should be getting the bill sometime either todayor tomorrow. We have copies made. MR. DOMINGO: Thank you very much. ' CHR. FUJI.I: Thank you, Mr. Domingo. Mr. Dahlberg. MR. YAMASHIRO: Excuse me, one last thing. We would appreciate your commentsby, your preliminary comments anyway, by the start of the State Association Convention, as we do have a meeting scheduled 'f or that day so that we could bring up, your concerns at that time, also. CHR. FUJII: ' Mr. Dahlberg. MR. 'DAHLBERG Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One 'of my questions was answered with regards to the procedure. I'd only commentthat the firstproposal you commented on,. Mr. Yamashiro, you know excites me and I feel is long overdue. I can't say enough about putting the lid on the real property 33 JUN 2 1932 • 111 taxes, especially for that group that has the lid for the most part on their income. So, I ' ll look forward to receiving those bills. Thank you, Mr. Yamashi.ro. (Mr. Domingo left the meeting at 10: 28 a.m. ) CHR. FLJJII : Thank. you, Mr. Dahlberg. Mrs. Hale. MRS. HALE: Mr. Chairman, I 'd like to say for one thing, and I would like to reiterate, this is a one-time shot deal and that' s what the Mayor' s proposal of $3 . 00 reduction is also, it' s a one-time reduction. There' s no possibility or provision that it' s going to take place next year. In fact next year, our tax rates will be entirely different because we will bebasing them on 100 percent valuation, not on 60 percent as this year. So, hopefully we ' ll reduce the tax rates even a great deal more. (Mr. Domingo returned to the meeting at 10: 32 a.m. ) MR. YAMASH I.RO: In 1984 . MRS. HALE: 1984. MR. YAMASHI'RO: Correct. MRS. HALE: Well, even worst then the problem is if that' s .true. I. think we've been mislead because we were under the impression, I was under- the impression, that the assessment was going. to go up for next year to 100 percent. But I won 't go into, that's another question and' .I don't think we should discuss this now. But what I 'm trying to say is these proposals from the State Association of Counties, Mr. Chairman, cannot take effect for this tax year. These proposals for the tax rate take effect 'this year. Now what we do for the future for long-range relief on the tax problem certainly warrants the con- sideration of all of us and I think we' re all anxious for these proposals to come forthso we can discuss them. But what we're talking about today is not what' s going to happen next year or , the year after depending on whether you're talking about 1983 or 1984 which would be true on the - 34 - Fr 'lig i 2 (r�` l 1 411 • State Association' s proposal. What we're talking about is the tax rate that we have the power to set today and I maintain that if you accept and file this communication, you in effect are saying you don't want my idea because the next proposal we're going to vote on is the Mayor' s proposal for $14. 90 and there ' s no way that we'_re going to bring this up except. as an amendment to that so why amend that proposal from $14. 90 down to $13 . 90? The thing to do is to take action on this now just as we did on the previous one on the Wailuku=Alenaio channel. It was not, that communication had nothing to do with where we're going to take the money from, that will come under your communication. But this communication is the only place that we ' ll have an indication as to what all of the Councilmembers think about my proposal ,to put $13 . 90 on single family residential; $15. 90 on all other classifications of buildings; $16 . 90 on single family residential for land; and $17 . 90 on all other,,classifications 'of land as a one-shot, one-time deal this year to give property tax relief to single family homeowners. This is the only chance we'll get to do itand what the State Association is going to do has nothing to do with setting the tax rates for this year. And further more than that, when we get on that discussion, I have a lotmoreto say about the way we're going about to change these basic laws onreal property tax because we're not getting the input first. But that' s another problem. The problem today, the motion before us is to whether we're going to, accept and ,file this communication. I would please urge my colleagues to vote "no" on accepting and filing so that I can make a proper motion that we approve. I would like to ask for a roll call vote. CHR. FU'JII: Mr. Yamashiro. MR. YAMASHIRO: I decided not to correct my grandmother about the procedure that' s being adopted since she voted on that procedure as a member of the Constitutional Convention--- MRS. HALE: I voted "no" , just in case you don't know, in the Con-con. But I was in the minority there, also. - 35 - • • The roll call vote was as follows: AYES: Council Members Dahlberg, De Luz, Domingo, Fujii, Kawahara, Schutte, and Yamashiro - 7 . NOES: Council Members Hale and Lai - 2. Comm. 842: REAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUES 1982-83 OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGETS. From Committee of the Whole Chairman'Tomio Fujii dated May 27 , 1982, proposing amendments to the 1982-83 Operating and Capital budgets . CHR. FUJII: The Chair recommends approval of Communication 842. Mr. De Luz moved to approve the: Communication. Seconded by Mr. Kawahara. CHR. FUJII: It' s been moved and seconded that we approve this communication.' Councilwoman Hale. MRS... HALE: Thank you. I 'd like to call attention to the second paragraph, "Under improved economic conditions, I may have been able to support the concept expressed by Councilwoman Hale, however, under, the survival conditions of today, I believe we must show fair play to allclassesof property. " I think we're not really showing fair play to single family homeowners and particularly to our elderly. It' s because of 'the economic conditions today and because of the: increased assessed valuation particularly on lands that so seriously affect these people that I had made my previous proposal--- CHR. FUJII: Mrs. Hale, will you continue with the next paragraph or so, where I have explained the State Association' s position, then I think you' ll realize that--- MRS. HALE: Yes. CHR. FUJII: In the future, Mrs . Hale, in the future when we lower the tax rate for residential area, some other area will have to take that increase. - 36 - Jai 2 r`, • V . MRS.. HALE: .I. realize that, Mr. Chairman. I 'm only pointing out the things that I disagree with. I agree with your analysisofthe Hawaii State Associations Real Property Tax Committee con- sidering a proposal to restructure the homeowner ' s exemption but it won't take effect this year. So, all I 'm saying is under improved economic conditions isnot the time to support my concept. The conditions being what they are, I think this is the time to.:,s.upport my concept,. I 'm only arguing that one paragraph. - The rest of it I don 't disagree with. However, VI' do -disagree with the first paragraph because of my proposal,, which I feel is a much, more fair proposal and will help the individualtaxpayers of this island more than the Mayor' s proposal with across-the-board reduc- tion in buildings and no reduction on land and, therefore, I. will have to vote against your recommendation. I also voted previously against the Waiakea Soil and Conservation District. Although I agree it' s . a good project and needs to be done, there are many other projects that need to be done. I 'm concerned with procedure on that one because I don't think this was done in the right procedure. If you really feel that we're going to need these six additional personnelinthe Fire Department, then I thinkwe should have recommended that we put them in the budget at this time because you're going to have togo and address this need in the last quarter of the fiscal year. I think to be realistic, you should address all needs that you're going to recognize during the year, during this year. I 'm not necessarily saying that we should put these six in because we haven't had any discussion and there wasn't any request in the Fire Department' s budget for this. But it should have been discussed at thattimeand it should notbe brought up at the last minute and if it is going to be a concern this fiscal year, then I think it should be addressed in this budget even if it means going back over the Fire Depart- ment's budget andcalling intheFire Chief and finding out what the real need is and when they are going to expect it. We don't just set it in just because the Council. Chairman says he wants it, you know.. We go into the Fire. Department' s budget and we analyze it like we did with the Chief Engineer. But I 'm afraid I 'm going to have to vote against your proposal, Mr. Chairman. I think it' s unfortunate when people try to do their homework and they try to make reasonable .pr.oposals that they're put into a position of just always being contrary. I tried my very best to make a positive suggestion. I didn't just come with wild figures. - 37 - 1 ‘1 2 11, • 110 I didn't just say reduce, you know. I didn't just say cut without telling you where to cut, where to get the money. I came out with what I thought was a very reasonable proposal with solutions for solving it. And if you don 't choose to even consider and discuss mine, then I 'm going to have to not consider to support yours and that' s my position. CHR. FUJII: Well, it' s just like the old days when I use to remember when, you know, well let ' s not talk about. Councilwoman Lai. MISS LAI : Mr. Chairman, I wanted to ask you under Micellaneous, you say that I would like to apprise the members of the Committee that the Fire Depart- ment is anticipating delivery of their pumper and I am not recommending the approval of the six positions. There is a letter from our Council Chairperson, Mr. Yamashiro, recommending six positions. This is the same six you 're talking about and he ' s talking about? I wanted to ask you, . this letter was writtenMay27 , that was Friday or Thursday. On May 29, on Saturday, you talked to me wanting these positions, haveyou changed your position now? I 'm confused where you stand. CHR. FUJII: No. Okay, my position is still the same Miss Lai, unless.. . MISS LAI: What is that position? Because on the 27th, you wrote this letter saying, "I don' t want the positions. " On the 29th, you talked to me you want the positions. This is June 2nd, what position are you at at this time? CHR. FUJII : Miss Lai, the position that I 've arrived here is my communication with the Administra- tion. The Administration has told me that on April 15, the aerial ladder will come in and at that time, it' s the last quarter, they have felt that they' ll be able to find enough from fund balances to put in the monies for the employment of six positions. That' s why in my communication to you, I felt that we did not need to put in any monies at this time. There ' s not too many areas that could take the monies out. It' s either Risk Management, Risk Insurance which I thought that we would need for the next fiscal period and the Contingency Fund. The Contingency Fund, there' s $200, 000 there but Mrs. Hale has gone out on a petition drive and if that is successful, then we would need $135, 000 in this coming election to implement that. - 38 - ® • MISS LAI: Mr. Chairman, I 'm not worried about Mrs. Hale ' s problem. CHR. FUJII: Okay. I think I have answered your question, Miss Lai. MISS LAI: I think you have not. I have asked you a question, where are you right now, June 2, with regards to these six positions? Are you recom- mending that we approve, in other words, these six additional personnel? Because you told me that according to the May 27th letter that is now being acted on, you recommend, "I am not recom- mending the approval of these six positions at this time" . On May 29th, on Saturday, you asked me to support your position. This is June 2nd, and I 'd like to know where are you at with these six positions? Are you recommending, the Chairman is asking us to consider through amendments about these six positions. CHR. FUJII: Miss Lai, I received this communica- tion this morning which the Chair has submitted to us. So as far as the positions, my position for six positions was still to leave it as is until Administration can fund it at that time next year. MISS LAI: Leaving it as is means, it doesn 't exist? All I 'm asking you, Mr. Chairman, clearly is do you want these positions or not? My understanding, the May 27th letter is, "no" , I am not recommeding the positions. CHR. FUJII: That' s right. MISS LAI: So, you don't want the positions? CHR. FUJII: At this point in time, yes. MISS LAI : Fine. CHR. FUJII : I have called for the Fire Chief to come here because I do understand this morning after receiving this communication that the fire ladder is coming in earlier and that' s what I 'd like to confirm from the Chief. MR. DOMINGO: Mr. Chairman. - 39 411CHR. FUJII: Yes, Mr. Domingo. MR. DOMI'NGO: If I may, what I 'm hearing is that, what you're sayingis that we don't want the positions now but when the equipment comes, we will bring on those positions? CHR. FUJII: That is correct, Mr. Domingo. MR. DOMINGO: Would it be, would there be any difficulty in saying now that we would concur with the adoption of having those six positions and that at the time the equipment arrives, then we would be funding those six positions? To give a statement of support only? CHR. FUJII: Well, that could be the right way to go as mentioned by Mrs. Hale and as this communication presented to us. If this is the desire of the Committee of the Whole here, then I think this is the way we should go. The only reason, as I have mentioned in my communication to you, not to fund it at this time was because of my communication with the Administration who had toldme that they'll be able to fund it in the last quarter. Councilman Yamashiro. MR. YAMASHIRO: I believe my proposal for, Miss Lai' s clarification, --- MISS LAI: Yes. MR. YAMASHIRO: It' s ourr understanding that the ladder truck would be arriving in November of this year and should be operating end of November or early December of this year. Our proposal is for an 8-month funding basis to allow the department to hire people for the period of time that the ladder truck will be available for their use. We feel that it requires a Salary Ordinance amendment, budget amendment, to receive the increase in those divisions. It is our under- standing that if these positions are not put in, the pump ladder truck will be stationed at the Kailua station and will be doubled up with the rescue unit that is there. In other words, if there ' s a rescue call, they will be nobody there to utilize the pumper ladder truck if there is another call for its service. Therefore, I feel that we have committed the monies for the acquisition of that piece of equipment and we 've - 40 - • • gone on record saying that we feel it' s needed in that Kailua area, we would be not acting wisely not to put the personnelto utilize this piece of equipment. If you feel it' sfor the last quarter of this year, fine. But I still think we should put the positions in and fund it for three months or some basis so that the department has the ability to plan for the hiring or the training period instead of forcing them to come back to us. If we know we are going to do it, put in enough money for the period of time that we feel they will need it. I say it' s going to be eight months, maybe like he said, it ' s going to arrive in April then it ' s going to be something less, but I still think that it should be addressed in this budget. (At this time, the Fire Chief came forward to answer questions from the Council. ) MR. 'YAMASHIRO: Chief, can you tell us when that pumper ladder truck is going to arrive? CHIEF NAGAO: Mr. Chairman, as we stated the delivery of the pumper truck is supposed to be sometime in April. But we heard from sources that it might be delivered in early December. MR. YAMASHIRO: Is there a Fire Chiefs Convention in Kona? CHIEF NAGAO: Yes, I think we' ll be having a Fire Chief Conference in Kona this year. I 'm pretty sure the manufacturer is by all means trying to hurry up the equipment so that it can be shown in the Kona area. CHR. FUJII : Councilman Schutte. MR. SCHUTTE: My only question is, is this bona fide information that this equipment will be in at this time? Or this is, you know, the company that is manufacturing it has a deadline in which to make it available I presume. No, I 'm under the impression that with this in mind that they will also correspond with. the County or you yourself leaving some paper trail as to when they anticipate this expensive piece of equipment to arrive, so that you will be able to program yourself to equip the equipment with the necessary personnel. It would also be a question as to why this was not put into the budget for these positions if this anticipated delivery was due in the end of November or December. - 41 • • CHIEFNAGAO: Okay. As far as the program manage- ment for the Fire Department was concerned, the men forthe ladder truck was going to be sub- mitted in 1983-84 budget, next fiscal year. But as far as the arrival of the pumper ladder, we didn't expect it in December. We were expecting in the earlier part of next year. MR. SCHUTTE: So with all considerations intact, the actual receipt of that ladder truck is in April of next year, not in November or December , outside of sources that you've received. CHIEF' NAGAO: The information that I have from the Deputy Chief who is in contact with this Supten manufacturer says that, by word of mouth, it ' s going to be delivered somewhere in December. But it' s not in written form. MR. SCHUTTE : Thank you, Chief . CHR. FUJII: Councilman Domingo. MR. DOMINGO: I 'm sorry I first couldn't under- stand. We're hearing two dates as to when the arrival of the trucks would be and if that was answered. But I think I 'd just like to take issue again with our FIS, how important it is that we, upon receipt of those state statements that, once approving such a location then it certainly seems right to follow with additional persons to, in this case, to man that vehicle as Council Chairman has said. No, we 're in a quandary as to making adjustments to the budget if we consider the Alenaio Stream project and the Council Chairman' s proposal at this time. This is something that we're faced with and I don't know how we can really make those adjustments without really considering where those monies should be taken out from. I can see taking it out from Risk Management but then again, would it be wise to take it out from Risk Management in this particular case? MR. YAMASHIRO: Mr. Chairman. CHR. FUJII : Mr. Yamashiro, may I call on Mr. Schutte first? MR. SCHUTTE: I ' ll yield at this time to the Chair. - 42 - Ga j; 4 • MR. .YAMA:SHIRO: I would suggest to the Chief or the Deputy Chief to get on the horn to the manufacturer and find out when that truck is coming. If theydon't need the men until April, fine, but if it' s coming in December, then we've got to make plans for the personnel. I would suggest they get their stories together because the Chief and the Deputy aren't both giving the Council the same information because I 'm getting December, the Committee of the Whole Chairman is getting April. We're trying to take care of the problem. We can 't do it if the department doesn 't know what' s happening either. I suggest they get that answer to us by the end of the week. CHR. FUJII : Could you do that and then probably relate it to the---. CCHHIEF NAGAO: Okay. CHR. FUJII : Okay. We have a motion on the floor, are you ready for the question? The only area that there will probably, is there a motion to amend this so that wecan--- MR. YAMASHIRO: Mr. Chairman, I was going to vote in support of your communication with the under- standing that we do have a budget amendment that will be presented on the 7th, depending upon the information received from the Fire Department. We also have one request on the Waiaha Cemetery, which is indicated to us, is forthe acquisition of the Waiaha Cemetery.. The association and the people in turn would be responsible for upkeep and maintenance of this cemetery. CHR. 'F'UJII : Mr. Domingo. MR. DOMINGO.: Mr. Chairman, Iwill vote against the motion to approve this communication® As I said, although I would support the Alenaio Stream project, I have sincere reservations about where we're taking the monies out from. CHR. FUJII: Mr. Domingo, the monies are going to be taken out from the Risk Insurance. MR. DOMINGO: Yes, that is my strong consideration. CHR. FUJII : No, it is, that 's how I 've stated it in the communication. - 43 - 411 !II MR. DOMINGO: That 's why I have that reservation about taking any monies out from the Risk Manage- ment account. CHR. FUJII: I see. Okay, Councilwoman Hale. MRS. HALE: Mr. Chairman, what is the motion you 're voting on. (Miss Lai left the meeting at 10: 50 a.m. and Mr. Yamashiro left at 10: 53 a.m. ) CHR. FUJII: The motion is the recommendation that I have presented to you with the understanding that when the Fire Department comes in with their recommendation that we will take a position as to funding those positions of the fire personnel less the change in my communication. My communication recommended no funding at this time because I figured that the administration would take care of it in the last quarter. But it seems like the majority of the members of this committee would like to put in funding, so I think that funding the positions will be taken up on Monday, on June 7 , on the final action on the full Council. By that time, I think we ' ll have the determination as to what time the equipment will come in and then the sum can be determined. (Miss Lai returned to meeting at 10: 54 a.m. ) MRS. HALE: But I still want to know what is the motion we ' re voting on, all of that is the motion? What is the motion? CHR. FUJII: That ' s right. The motion is to approve communication 842. MRS. HALE: So, Mr. Chairman, if the motion is to approve communication 842, then you are not con- sidering six positions because that is your, that' s the recommendation here. Your recommendation is that, "I am not recommending the approvalof these six positions at this time" . So, if this is what we' re voting on, this is what we 're voting on. I just want to know. CHR. FUJII: Yes. Mrs. Hale, this is just a recom- mendation that I would like to have the Committee of the Whole accept. - 44 - j'fr,,P i,C;fl ) 411 • MRS. HALE: Why don' t we just accept and file your communication then because you're going to vote on all of these things when you, adopt the budget? CHR. FUJII: That' s right. On June 7 , we'll probably---. MRS. HALE: So it will be less complicated if you just accepted and filed the whole communication. Because if you start thinking about that you're approving your communication, then you're going to have change your mind later on downthe road because,. as - Councilwoman Lai has pointed out, this says, "I am not recommending the approval of these six positions" . Sothe easiest thing to do is to accept and file the communication and take the issues up under the issues up under the budget. CHR. FUJII: . Okay, that'll be alright. Mr. Schutte moved to receive and file Communication 842. Seconded by Miss Lai. Vote onthemotion: Unanimously carried. MR. 'TAKAHASHI: Mr. Chairman, may I have one clarification now? CHR. FUJII: Yes. MR. TAK'AHASHI : Does that mean that there is no amendment then? There is no Wailuku-Alenaio $100, 000 amendment? CHR. FUJII: That communication has been approved, Mr. Takahashi. On Communication 814, it has been approved, so,' I think we need to approve the budget to include that. A roll call vote was taken 'on that. -MR. DOMINGO: Yes, Mr. Chairman, we approved the funding of the project but we have made no decision as to how that project will be funded. CHR. FUJII: That is correct. Okay, we' ll call a short recess. - 45 - JUN 2 UP S • RECESS: At 10: 55 a.m. , Mr. Schutte requested for a short recess. RECONVENE: Themeeting reconvened at 11: 08 a.m. Ordinance - OPERATING BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 1982 Bill 849: TO JUNE 30, 1983 (Amended) Appropriates, estimated revenues for expenditures by the County of Hawaii for the Fiscal Year July 1,: 1982 to June 30, 1983 . Mr. Schutte moved that a Bill for an, Ordinance numbered. 849/ Amended, ' pass second and final reading.. Seconded by Mr. Domingo and carried 'by =the following roll call vote: AYES: Council Members De Luz, Domingo, Fujii, Kawahara, Lai, and Schutte - 6 . NOES: - Councilwoman Hale - 1. ABSENT & EXCUSED: Council Members Dahlberg and Yamashiro - 2. Ordinance CAPITAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR JULY 1, 1982 Bill 850: TO JUNE 30, 1983 Relates to public improvements and financing thereof for the Fiscal Year July 1, 1982 to June 30, 1983 . Mr. Domingo moved that a Bill for an Ordinance numbered 850, pass second and final reading. Seconded by Mr. Schutte. CHR. FUJII: It' s been moved and seconded that Bill 850 be adopted on second and final reading. Any discussion? Councilwoman Hale. MRS. HALE: Is this the General Obligation Bond, Mr. Chairman, I would like to move that we add two projects to this list', this wish list. One, under Department of Parks and Recreation, that we put out $100, 000 appropriation for Kealakehe Park so we can begin to plan that and under Parks and Recreation also that we put, well I 'm. taking this figure out of the air because I don 't really know, - 46 - JUN 2 M2 • 411 but I want it on the budget, so we can add to it, $50, 000 'for Pahala Swimming Pool. AMENDMENT: Mrs. Hale moved to amend Bill 850, by adding the following projects under 'Department of Parks and Recreation; Kealakehe Park —$100, 000 and Pahala Swimming Pool - $50, 000. Seconded by Miss Lai. CHR. FUJII: There' s a motion to amend Bill 850 to include $100, 000 for Kealakehe Park and $50, 000 for Pahala Swimming Pool. I understand there is some appropriations for the Pahala Swimming Pool, Mrs. Hale. MRS. HALE: Where? We asked and they told us there weren't any in the budget. Where are they? Bond Fund money? (Mr. Yamashiro returned to the meeting at 11 : 10 a.m. ) MR. TAKAAHAS'HI : In Ordinance 586, $200, 000. MRS. HALE: Oh, alright. May I ask a question then first? If this is already in here, if we did have cash then, we could borrow cash to go fund this project? MR. SC'HUTTE: Right. MRS. 'HALE : Alright, fine. Then with that under- standing, then take this Pahala Swimming Pool out of my motion with the agreement of the seconder, but I 'd like to put the Kealakehe Park in. CHR. FUJII: Yes. Don't we have some appropriations for Kealakehe Park, also, Mr. Takahashi. MR. TAKAHASHI: Okay, there are some, I believe. We did appropriate some funds, I believe, last year. MR. YAMAS'HIRO: Municipal Complex fund. - 47 - ii'r • • MR. TAKAHASHI: Yes, it' s in a Municipal Complex. MRS . HALE: What is the purpose forthese funds that we're appropriated? MR. TAKAHASHI : Those are for planning, I believe. MRS. HALE: Can somebody find this appropriations for me? MR. YAMASHIRO: The language is broadened so that we could use it both for the Police Station facility and the park, whichever was ready to proceed first. MRS. HALE: So then, why are we putting the Police Station in the budget this year then if it' s already in? MR. YAMASHIRO: Because we don ' t have the total funding, Mrs. Hale. CHR. FUJII : We 're looking at nearly $4 million, Mrs. Hale, to complete the project. MRS. HALE: Can somebody find this for me in this list? I don' t see it in this list that the Finance Director gave us under Parks, or is it not under Parks? CHR. FUJII : No, it' s under Municipal Complex, I believe. Harry, you have that particular section. MR. SCHUTTE: Mr. Chairman, if I may? CHR. FUJII: Councilman Schutte. MR. SCHUTTE: Mrs. Hale, I think the reason for putting it under that Municipal Complex, it used to be separated. If I 'm not mistaken at one time last year, we turned it and put $800, 000 into that Municipal Complex. It might have been changed and amended and a lesser amount deposited to that, appropriated. (Mr. Dahlberg returned to the meeting at 11:11 a.m. and left at 11: 12 a.m. ) - 48 - • i MR. TAKAHASHI : Yes. MR. SCHUTTE: Go ahead, Harry. MRS. HALE: It specifically says construction of Police Station, I 'm talking about the park. Both appropriations refer to the Police Station. On page 13 of the Finance Director ' s communication that we received and filed it says, "Kona Police Station, construction of new Police Station in Kailua, Ordinance No. 427 , that was $80, 000; Ordinance No. 443 , Kailua Police Station; con- struction new police station with $350, 000, funding pending bond float and site selection; and Kealakehe Municipal Complex, construction of Police Station, $850, 000" , I see nothing for the park. MR. TAKAHASHI : I believe the discussion centered around the concept of the County having to combine many of these facilities into a more of a municipal services complex rather than just for one depart- mental use, so I believe this was the initial move to get a Municipal Complex located there and from there, they'd probably expand into park facilities. MR. KAWAHARA: They blew the park, yes. MRS. HALE: Yes, I realize that but we have specifically described them only of Police Station and I think that could hamper us if we ' re talking about bond funding . MR. KAWAHARA: So, let' s call it Municipal Complex, I like that better. MRS. HALE: Well, a Municipal Complex is not necessarily a park. We' re appropriating additional funds from the Mayor ' s budget for the police station, Kailua Police Station. We' re going to have four appropriations, we've already got four appropriations. We're going to have five appro- priations, no, we have three now and we're going to have four appropriations for the Police Station but nothing for the park. So, all I 'm saying is let' s put $100, 000 for Kealakehe Park and allocate it for that. At least, we can begin to plan and design and tell the people of Kona that we' re sincere and then also, we can then approach the Board of Land and Natural Resources to give us the whole 100 acres that we need. We don't need 100 acres for a police station, and there ' s nothing in our budget--- - 49 - O CHR. FUJII : Mrs . Hale, may I stop you here. I ' ll call a short recess. Will you check the ordinance, I think in our discussion we had discussed the park site. We have also discussed how we're going to expand the park area. MRS. HALE: Then we got to change the title of the ordinance.. We're still appropriating for the police station, why appropriate more money for the police station? RECESS: The Chair called a short recess at 11 :14 a.m. RECONVENE : The meeting reconvened at 11: 25 a.m. (Mr. Yamashiro didn' t return after the recess. ) Vote on the motion as amended: Unanimously carried. Mr. Schutte moved that a Bill for an Ordinance numbered 850, as amended, pass second and final reading. Seconded by Miss Lai andcarried by the following roll call vote : AYES: Council Members De Luz , Domingo, Fujii, Hale, Kawahara, Lai and Schutte - 7 . NOES: None. ABSENT & EXCUSED: Council Members Dahlberg, and Yamashiro - 2. (Mr. Dahlberg returned at 11: 31 a.m. and leftthe meeting at 11 :32 a.m. ) (At this time, Parks Director Milton Hakoda was present to answer questions from the Council. ) - 50 - CHR. FUJII : Mr. Hakoda, Mrs. Hale is concerned about the Kealakehe Park which we 've discussed for many years. Could you tell her the status and how it' s moving? MR. HAKODA: Thereis no funding at all . The site has not been pinned down as yet. We did at one time, based on what I thought was the site, we did do the planning for it, so the park is master- planned. But at this point, there is no funding. CHR. FUJII : But you have appropriations for the park? MR. HAKODA: No appropriations. CHR. FUJII : We have discussed, trying to make the police station a municipal complex over there. I think this was a move also by Councilman Kawahara so that some structure can happen there and then that will eventually become part of the park complex. MR. HAKODA: Yes, we think that it would be sort of a foot in the door kind of move. The general site is in the vicinity of what ' s planned for the police station, so it might be a good beginning. CHR. FUJII: There ' s a lot of questions here, so I ' ll call on our members. Councilman Schutte. MR. SCHUTTE : Milton, it' s my understanding from (DLNR) Department of Land and Natural Resources people that with the proposed police department on the State land adjacent to the Kona dump site that the new location, or I may say, revised location for the Kealakehe Park Complex would include the old dump which would be levelled over and filled when they move it up to Puuanahulu, and the top section above that which is on a slight rise. That is my understanding from DLNR as to where the new complex would be located. It was also mentioned that it was necessary that the first phase would be the Police Department because that is on the extreme bottom end and so any improvements going be made for that would take that into consideration first and then the additional park site, the timing wise, would be within the right scope of time when they did move that dump site to Puuanahulu. - 51 : �. iEgz Now, I think some questions have been raised as to the appropriation of funds designated for that Kealakehe Complex, would you speak in regards to that? I would assume that in doing so, it would be taking a portion of the money that' s appro- priated for the Police Department to be set aside for that park complex, whether it be for redesign- ing of the area or otherwise. MR. HAKODA: Well, if the Police Station would be located at the junction of that rubbish dump road and Kaahumanu Highway and we're going to develop the park site in that same parcel,--- MR. SCHUTTE: Well, the Police Department, Milton, is actually, come up the road and it' s right, would be right opposite the dump site . MR. HAKODA: Okay, then we'd have to do some replanning for our Complex because it' s planned right now parallel to Kaahumanu, so some topographic studies and things like that have to be done again. We did go to the last session of the Legislature for an appropriation, and we didn 't get it. In my County CIP, I did request $100, 000 which wasn't one of those funded or appropriated. So, at this point, there is zero funding for the project. MR. SCHUTTE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CHR. FUJII : Thank you, Mr. Schutte. Miss Lai. MISS LAI : Yes, Milton, wouldn't you prefer to be not part of a Municipal Complex? Wouldn't you like to have, in other words, recreation separate from an agency like a Police Department? MR. HAKODA: No, we would welcome the Police Station in that complex. I think it would give us some added security. MISS LAI: So you have no problems, and Bill is very supportive of that which is aimed at-- MR. HAKODA: I think we've had a number of opportunities in our development of having either the Fire or Police become part of the complex and we welcome that. - 52 - ® • MISS LAI : How old is this plan now? It' s about 10, 12 years? MR. HAKODA: Oh, I think it was 1976 or something like that. MISS LAI: 1976 , that' s far back. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CHR. FUJII : Thank you. Mr. Kawahara. MR. KAWAHARA: Mr. Chairman, I 'd like to contribute a little bit more what I think is official informa- tion and that is the word I 've been getting is that there will be an industrial complex along Kaahumanu Highway, you understand that? You were saying that the Police Station was going to be---. MR. HAKODA: Well, I had hoped it would be on the corner. MR. KAWAHARA: Yes. MR. HAKODA: That would give us a better chance to move further up. MR. KAWAHARA: Well, I 'm not really up-to-date on that but the last word I got was that there will be an industrial complex along Queen K. Highway and then the Police Station was going to be in the back of that. But whatever, I think that we 're getting positive action by DLNR and I 'm very happy about that. I 'm also very happy that the Council is supportive of the whole project and looks like things are falling in place, jelling. This is what I had hoped for that this area will be the center of civic activities in West Hawaii, all the fragmented little offices and buildings scattered all over the place now including courts and offices and other County functions and also State functions I think eventually will move along into the Kailua area because the State has a lot of land and I think that this is going to happen. This has to happen for efficiency in government in the area and I 'm very appreciative of the Council ' s support on this. - 53 - 111 CHR. FUJII: Thank you, Mr. Kawahara. Mrs. Hale. MRS. HALE: Mr. Chairman, the reason I proposed an amendment to the CIP budget was: (1) the Planning Director had this on his list of priorities. It was deleted by the Mayor ' s budget when he proposed it to us as this was pointed out just now by our Parks and Recreation Director. We 've been promising 'this to the people of Kona for, what, eight years, as you 've said and we don't even have on that $10 million bond fund list, wish list as I call it, an appropriation for even planning this park. As he' s pointed out, planning is going to have to be redone when we find the location. At least, I think it gives an indication to the people of Kona that we are concerned. Now how high this will stand on the priority list when we take this $10 million worth of project and if when we ever do float $7 million worth of bonds as the Mayor has recommended, something is going to go by the wayside. But if we did come forth with a windfall at least it would be here and we could do something. There is going to have to be planning and I 'd like to point out that no way are you going to take Bond Fund appropriations for the Police Depart- ment and give it to Parks and Recreation. And on the project data, we already have $1, 280, 000 appro- priated for the Kailua Police Station but it ' s going to take $4 , 280, 000 . So, what they are suggesting is $250, 000 additional this year and $2, 750, 000 next year. Mr. Chairman, I see really no reason for putting this $250, 000 in this year except maybe to add up the total. ' If it' s a question of putting this in and putting Kealakehe, I would rather see Kealakehe because there' s already $1, 280, 000 appro- priated. If they're only going to spend $250, 000 this year for that Police Station, then you don 't need $1, 280, 000. But I 'm not arguing that we should take that off the books because it does add up to the total and we are trying to get the money. But I do think that we do owe it to the people of Kona to include in the general planning of that Police Station, the park. And as Councilman De Luz whispered to me, he wished all parks were near police stations. I think maybe we'd have more cooperation between the Police Station and the Parks and it might be a good thing for this County. So, while we 're doing the planning of the construction of that Police Station, we do need to put the park in there so it can be properly master planned and worked in with an overall plan that would benefit the whole community. This was on the Planning Director' s priority list. It was deleted by the Mayor. It was on the Parks and Recreation' s priority list and I think that, I would hope that my colleagues would support my amendment to add it to our Bond Fund. Thank you. - 54 - • 411 CHR. FUJII: Thank you Mrs. Hale. Mr. Schutte. MR. SCHUTTE: Mr. Chairman, I would have no problem ' in taking $100, 000 out of the existing appropria- tion under the Police Department because I think the intent of that idea of a Municipal Complex was to include the total development of the Police Department and any other type of municipal services that was necessary including recreation in the area. However, as it' s pointed out, unless the funds are earmarked for a specific project, we probably won ' t be 'able to float the bonds to fund those projects. So, I would have no problem in taking $100 , 000 , as suggested out, of the existing appropriations for the Police Department and slide it over to the recreational side for Parks and Recreation until such a time that we actually have a bona fide location for the Police Department. Because what's being suggested is merely suggested as far as the location is concerned and DLNR has, as Mr. Kawahara indicated, does have plans for putting in an industrial park along the Queen K Highway and the Police Department would be up the road adjacent to the existing dump site. Now, the timing is very important as to when we can move that dump site to Puuanahulu and then start the development of the Police Department. The park site would be, a portion of it located in the dump site area and on a rise which is slightly above that. So, it would take some planning in Which to implement what we already have as far as facilities are concerned for these proposed park into that newarea that' s in question. But again that park site is merely a suggested area along with the Police Department and there ' s, no definite metes andbounds as to whereor how far it should go in that immediate area. So, I would have no problem in sliding $100, 000 out of the existing account for the Police Depart- ment over into the Parks and Recreation under the CIP fund so that proper planning can get started Is that satisfactory,' Mrs. Hale? MRS . HALE: Yes . MR. SCHUTTE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. CHR. FUJII: Mr. Schutte, would you mind if we just leave the funding there for the Police Depart- ment, $250, 000 and add another $100, 000 for the Parks complex? - 55 - '�J3 MR. SCHUTTE: There' s no problem. The only thing of my concern is where you 're going to pull it out of, you know? If you have money, it 's already there on an account that is not even in movement,. it ' s not moving at this time, why not take it out of that and reapply. We can always come back and reappropriate funds to the Police Department when the time comes. Where would we pull it from, what other account would be available? CHR. FUJII: This not a cash account, Mr. Schutte, so--- MR. SCHUTTE: I know, it 's a CIP account. CHR. FUJII: I think we can put in $100, 000 there without, it' s just a wish list as Mrs. Hale has said, and when the bond floats up there and cash available, then we can decide. If this becomes a priority item, $100, 000 for parks planning, then that' s how it' s going to move. Some other appropriations, let' s say the $10 million we have there, we have change of heart at this point in time, than some of them may have to lapse. So, I wouldn't mind an additional $100, 000 at this point in time to increase our Capital Budget to another $100, 000 . Do you have any comments on this, Mr. Takahashi, our Legislative Auditor? MR. TAKAHASHI: Being that it' s a new project, probably you' ll have to develop the FIS for it. MR. SCHUTTE : Mr. Chairman, if I may, I don' t think it' s a new project. It' s a project that was on the books and was taken off the books, I believe, am I correct? Because there are appro- priations for it already so it is a bona fide project. It' s just that the location has been changed. So if additional monies , my only concern is if we're going to pull out monies, you want to make an additional appropriation of $100, 000? I would question that considering the fact that there is already $800, 000 or $1 million in the Police Department that is not ready to go. MR. TAKAHASHI: So, we' ll just increase the General Obligation Bonds to $3 , 020, 000 and add the $100, 000? CHR. FUJII: That' s correct, if there' s no objections from the others. Councilwoman Lai. - 56 - !II 111 MISS LAI : Mr. Chairman, I support the request to put Kealakehe Complex, Sports Complex on to the CIP. However , I agree with Mr. Schutte perhaps we could take the $100, 000 out of the $250, 000 and just make the adjustment from Police Depart- ment to the Department of Parks and Recreation and leave the amount as we projected on our CIP project fund at 2 . 920 and just take Kailua Police Station, reduce it to $150, 000 and than put $100, 000 for Kealakehe Complex. CHR. FUJII : Okay, thank you Miss Lai . Mr. Domingo. MR. DOMINGO: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I was also con- cerned about that. Perhaps, maybe we can have some reaction of Mr. Nakamae, whom I 'm sure is very well acquainted with this $2 . 9 million ceiling on this CIP . The question is, is that a magic number in which we have to work within or would it be okay to exceed it, you know? MR. NAKAMAE: No, it' s not a magic number, you could exceed it if you wish. MR. DOMINGO: I see. I 'm also concerned, Mr. Chairman, that, you know, I 'm for the appro- priation also, but I think if the FIS does not reflect any demands for people to man the park facility, I think we should include that also, understanding that if and when that project is completed, then the Council would be mandated to put aside those positions for the caring and maintenance of those facilities. CHR. FUJII: Thank you, Mr. Domingo. Mr. Schutte. MR. SCHUTTE: I would like to question Mr. Nakamae. Stanley, in regards to this, my suggestion of sliding $100, 000 out of the existing Police Depart- ment account for that particular area into the Parks and Recreation account so they can do any necessary revised planning for the park complex, is that within your favor or are you not com- fortable with that idea? Would you rather see an additional $100, 000? MR. NAKAMAE: No, that' s certainly not an alter- native . I don ' t think we have enough money just for this Police Station building anyway. It' s going to have to be perhaps constructed in phases - 57 - • 411 with the groundwork being done and later on perhaps because it' s going to have to be extensive ground- work we 're sure and we need additional monies for constructionmore than what we have now. So, it certainly is an alternative for us to use that money if you want. To take that alternative, it certainly is reasonable, too. MR. SCHUTTE: Okay, thank you. One other question, Mr. Chairman, of Milton, are we going to be serious about actually going in and doing the redesigning of that area? How close can we come to that? Because then again, we 're just appro- priating monies and with no intent of even com- pleting or even moving forward in that direction, you know. MR. HAKODA: I think if we did have, the appro- priation goes through it would give us additional ammunition to go to DLNR now and say, "hey, you know, please let' s work together and pin down a site so we can begin to do some planning. " MR. SCHUTTE: I know that DLNR says unless we have our act together with necessary funds appropriated, they have no intention of moving on it. So maybe, this may be a step in making it happen by having this amount of dollars available. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. MR. HAKODA: Right. CHR. FUJII : Thank you, Mr. Schutte. Mrs. Hale, would you like to finish up? MRS. HALE: We ' re still on my motion. CHR. FUJII : Yes. MRS. HALE : Okay, I 'm sorry, I had another problem. As far as my motion was to amend our Capital Improvement budget to add $100, 000 to Kealakehe and I don't want to get into the argument as to how you' re going to do it. I just want $100, 000. CHR. FUJII : I 'd like to check bases with Miss Lai, Mr. Domingo and Mr. Schutte. Do you feel that this is fine, we are adding the CIP with another $100, 000. - 58 - 411 111 MR. SCHUTTE: Well, Mr. Chairman, if Mrs. Hale would consider in her motion that $100, 000 be slid out of the existing appropriations for the Police Department and put into the Parks and Recreation account for design? MRS . HALE: It' s alright, it' s just a wish list anyhow. CHR- FUJII : No problem? MRS. HALE: Why don 't you make an amendment? I 'd rather have Mr. Schutte have the credit for it. MR. ,SCHUTTE: It' s not really that important. Mr. Chairman, I will make an amendment to Mrs . Hale ' s motion. AMENDMENT: Mr. Schutte moved to amend the motion by deleting $100, 000 from the existing appropriation of the Police Department and by adding $100, 000 for Kealakehe Park design and planning under the Department of Parks and Recreation. Seconded by Mr. De Luz and unanimously carried. MRS . HALE: Mr. Chairman, I have another question. CHR. FU"JII : Yes, Mrs. Hale, you have the floor. MRS. HALE: I 'd like to ask a question about the Puna Parks . I made a note when we had the discus- sion on Parks and Recreation that this included, the $200, 000 included Mt. View of $50, 000 but when I looked on the CIP plan, all I see for justifica- tion is substantial population increases have dictated the need to upgrade and expand the inventory of recreational facilities throughout the district and I don ' t know what this Puna Parks is for? I mean it' s planning and development of improvements to recreational facilities within the Puna District, $200, 000 . I would just like to know, you know, what Puna Parks are we talking about? I think there should be some---. I was under the impression at the very beginning that this was Mr. Fujii ' s park in Pahoa, you know. CHR'. FUJII : Part of it. - 59 - i r.•, 111 MRS. HALE: If you 're going to give him the other $200, 000 to get his park and put some equipment on it, but then I 'm told, .I wrote a note down here, including Mt. View of $50, 000 that only leaves him $150, 000 and when I see the justifica- tion I see a very vague thing. So, I just would like to know what we can tell the people of Puna that we think we might do for them if we could get our wishes. MR. HAKODA: An itemized list is beingdeveloped. MRS. HALE: What? MR. HAKODA: A list is being developed. MRS. HALE: It' s being developed? MR. HAKODA: Yes, what we will be doing with the $200, 000. MRS . HALE: Can you give that to us before we actually pass the budget so we know what it is? MR. HAKODA: Yes, okay. MRS. HALE: Thank you. Ordinance SALARY ORDINANCE FOR 1982 Bill 851: Establishes the number andratesof compensation (Amended) for all positions in departments, offices and other agencies of the County of Hawaii under the legislative control of the County Council, designat- ing payroll periods, pay days, prescribing certain requirements with respect to overtime, perquisites. and official fidelity bonds, and repealing Ordinance 700, and all amendments thereto; said ordinance to be known as the Salary Ordinance of 1982 . CHR. FUJII : The Chair recommends passage of Bill 851, as amended. Mr. Schutte moved that a Bill for an Ordinance numbered 851, amended, pass second and final reading. Seconded by Mr. Yamashiro. 0 - 60 JUN 2 J 111411 (Miss Lai left the meeting at 11: 46 a.m. )" CHR. FUJII: It' s been moved and seconded that we adopt Bill 851, as amended, on second and final reading, any discussion? Mrs. Hale. MRS. HALE: Now I 'm trying to find this--- This has your Alenaio Flood Control in it, as amended? CHR. FUJII : This is the Salary Ordinance. We have passed the Operating Budget already. MRS. HALE: Isn't it CIP, we 're still on? CHR. FUJII : Capital Improvement Projects also, we have passed it. This is the Salary Ordinance, we 're talking about the Salary Ordinance. MRS. HALE: When did we take the motion on the CIP, as amended? The last vote I took was, the one I took was on the motion to add $100, 000---. CHR. FUJII : We havenot;'included the funding for the flood control. MRS. HALE: What? CHR. FUJII: We have not included the funding. The recommendation .has been approved," Communication 814, but then we have not, taken ,Eh.é funding portion because we have received my recommendation, received and filed my recommendation. MRS. HALE: Yes, but when did we take the vote on the CIP? MR. SCHUTTE: Just prior to your---. CHR. FUJII: We've talked about the $100, 000, Mrs. Hale. . MRS. HALE: No, we voted on the motion for the $100, 000 and we voted upon the amendment to the - 61 - JUN 2 E22 • • motion which was how to take it out and then we voted upon the motion as amended for the $100, 000 . Now when did we vote on the CIP itself? Did we vote on that? MR. SCHUTTE: It was right after the vote on my amendment. MRS. HALE : I see, okay. But now my question is that when we voted on that, it does not include your Alenaio Stream? CHR. FUJII : That is correct. MRS. HALE: When do you intend to add that in? CHR. FUJII : On the full Council level. MRS. HALE : I see, okay, very good. Thank you. So we have added, may I make it clear, we have added Kealakehe Park $100, 000 and we have deleted Kailua Police Station by $100 , 000? CHR. FUJII: Yes. MRS.. HALE: Alright, fine, thank you. CHR. FUJII: A motion is in order. MRS. HALE: Now, it' s on the Salary Ordinance. CHR. FUJII : Yes. MRS. HALE: And does this include the seven firemen? CHR. FUJII: No. No, not at this point in time, Mrs. Hale. Councilman Schutte. MRS . HALE: So, what is your recommendation? MR. SCHUTTE: Helene, what we hope to accomplish is that on Monday at the full Council, we' ll include that after we find out the date of arrival of the equipment. - 62 - _ 9 ® I MRS . HALE: We will amend it then at that time? MR. SCHUTTE: We will amend it then. And then, we will have to also amend the Salary Ordinance at that same time. At the same time also, we will make the amendment on Bill 850 for the Alenaio project. So the move now is for passage of Bill 851 and then the amendment to that will be if we make any changes to that ordinance because of the seven firemen positions. Mr. De Luz moved that a Bill for an Ordinance numbered 851 as further amended, pass second and final reading. Seconded by Mr. Schutte and carried by the following roll call vote : AYES : Council Members De Luz, Domingo, Fujii, Hale, Kawahara and Schutte - 6 . NOES: None. ABSENT & EXCUSED: Council Members Dahlberg, g Lai and Yamashiro - 3 . ADJOURNMENT: There being no further business, at 11:51 a.m. Mr. Schutte moved that the meeting be adjourned. Seconded by Mr. De Luz and unanimously carried. Th6-144. c..44:4LZ) CHAIRMAN & PRESIDING OFFICER - 63 -