HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN PWPRC 2017/07/06 2016-2018 COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC WORKS AND
PARKS AND RECREATION
6th Session
Hawai`i County Building
25 Aupuni Street
Hilo, Hawai`i
July 6, 2017
CALL TO The regular meeting of the Committee on Public Works and Parks and Recreation
ORDER: was called to order at 1:43 p.m., in the Council Chambers, Hilo, by
Ms. Jennifer Ruggles, Chair.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Ms. Jennifer Ruggles, Chair
Ms. Maile Medeiros David, Vice Chair
Ms. Karen Eoff, Member
Mr. Dru Mamo Kanuha, Member
Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member
Ms. Eileen O'Hara, Member
Ms. Valerie T. Poindexter, Member
Mr. Herbert M. "Tim"Richards, III, Member
Absent: Mr. Aaron S. Y. Chung, Member
order of business,
The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next
FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items.
PUBLIC ON
AGENDA ITEMS: The following individuals registered to speak, and came forward when called by
the Chair:
Jon Olson: Bill 47 (Comm. 325); and
Bill 50 (Comm. 334), comment.
Marc Lau: Bill 48 (Comm. 332), in support.
Deb Scrivens: Bill 47 (Comm. 325), in support.
(Representing Hakalau
Farmers Market& Food
Share)
COMMUNI- The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
CATIONS: Communications.
(There were none.)
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ORDER OF The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
RESOLUTIONS: Order of Resolutions.
(There were none.)
BILLS FOR The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
ORDINANCES: Bills for Ordinances.
As directed bythe Chair and with no objection from the Committee Members,
Change Order �
of Business: the following items were taken out of order:
Bill 48: AMENDS CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE 1, OF THE HAWAII COUNTY CODE
1983 (2016 EDITION, AS AMENDED), RELATING TO ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGES
Prohibits the consumption of intoxicating liquors at James Kealoha Beach Park.
Reference: Comm. 332
Intr. by: Ms. Lee Loy
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to recommend passage of Bill 48 on
first reading. Seconded by Mr. Richards.
CHR. RUGGLES: Go ahead, Ms. Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. I'm going to ask for a little bit of latitude
because this is the first opportunity for people to take a look at this piece of
legislation. First of all,what I want to do is direct my colleagues to
Communication 332.1. You'll find them in your—so what you have before you is
a communication that I put forward, and it was just in an effort to provide a little
bit of context of this particular beach park. What you will find on page one is a
real property tax map of the park itself that's outlined in red. That's the general
boundary lines for Kealoha Beach Park.
The second graphic that you have before you, and sorry it's a little blurry, but
that's a Google Earth image from the ocean of that park. The photo you have is
basically a copy of the roadway that runs through that particular park, which we
call Keaukaha Road. As our testifier mentioned earlier, there are no parking
stalls. People just park and take a place,but you'll also see that one, the roadway
is bad.
But the other thing is there's a rocky shoreline there so it really isn't conducive
for swimming, unless you're an experienced swimmer. I see more fisherman or
other more experienced water users in the area. On the left hand side, you'll see a
gated—the yellow pylons,that's just basically blocking off a grassy area that
exists there. There are no pavilions, so people will just randomly park and put a
tent and just hang out.
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The final image, which is a little bit better image, is just an overview of the entire
park. What you'll see there is a residence adjacent to the park. This concern was
actually initiated by the community. I've had a number of community meetings
with Keaukaha Association, Leleiwi Association, and other beach users down at
Richardson's Beach Park and Carlsmith Beach Park, and like our testifier
mentioned, it's just getting out of hand. I believe over the years,there was a large
level of tolerance, but that tolerance is really beginning to erode at this point. If I
could ask Captain Greg Esteban and Community Policing Officer Matt Lewis to
come forward please.
(Note: At this time, Police Captain Greg Esteban and Police Officer
Mathew Lewis came forward to address the members of the Committee.)
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, gentlemen. If we could start with Captain Esteban,
just go ahead and identify yourself for the record, and Officer Lewis,please.
MR. ESTEBAN: Good afternoon, my name is Greg Esteban,Police Captain for
South Hilo patrol district. I've been doing this job for 32 years. During my years
as a patrol officer, we've had to respond to a number of calls for police assistance
at Kealoha Park. And now, as District Commander, it's quite evident that the
increase in calls for service is taking a toll on our manpower. ,We have to allocate
resources in this particular area to address crime and accidents, both in and out of
the ocean, so our department fully supports the ban on alcohol in this park.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Captain Esteban. Now if I could move over to
Community Policing Officer Matt Lewis. Matt is actually assigned to that
community, so I wanted Matt to share a little bit more detail just because he's
more boots on the ground and intimate with some of the concerns that are
happening in that area.
MR. LEWIS: Good afternoon, I'm Officer Lewis. I've been with the department
just shy of ten years now. Most of my career has been spent in Hilo in the patrol
level. Been in the community down there at the beach area for the past year and
assigned to that section. Since that year, even prior to that,the complaints and
calls for service at that particular beach park continues to grow. Alcohol is one of
the main factors that drive a lot of the complaints, or a lot of the calls for service
we get there. We get from traffic accidents to fights, major assaults with weapons
including bats and knives. People have been stabbed there, it's not a one-time
event. And when we do respond to those calls, you look at the responsible
parties, most times they're intoxicated, being in the sun with no covering,no
pavilion all day.
And if you go down there,you'll see the street looks more like a drag strip from
the rubber that's left behind like what Mr. Lau said. And hearing the complaints
from the community this past year and going to the community meetings, it's not
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just residents, even the lifeguards at the nearby beaches have gone out of their
way to make it a point to say we need to make a change here. And it's not that
I'm against drinking,but this park has a problem that I think we as responsible
people in the community need to address, not only on behalf of the Police
Department, but for myself as a community member in this district. What I see
there is really dangerous, I wouldn't take a child to that beach.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. We also have Charmaine Kamaka who's our Parks
Director, she's here also. I'm going to leave it here for right now for the rest of
my colleagues to ask any questions. I am really asking for your support. Now,
this is probably just one of many more steps that have to happen,not only at this
particular beach park,but other beach parks across the entire island. As a
community with our Police Department and our Department of Parks and
Recreation,we've also engaged the Department of Public Works because some of
them maintain the roads and facilities there. The Fire Department has also been
engaged.
I also have to thank Prosecuting Attorney Mitch Roth who really spearheaded this
initiative. One,to identify a lot of the public safety concerns that are coming
from the community, and Lisa Faulkner-Inouye is also here from the Prosecuting
Attorney's Office for you to ask any questions. But, our police officers and our
Prosecuting Attorney's office has a lot of data of the type of complaints that are
coming in that really does support this initiative. Going forward, we will continue
to be at the table working with our community partners and our public sector
partners, because it is our hope that this can become a model on how we address
parks in an overall sense.
Every park has a different amenity, some have pavilions and some don't. Some
are conducive for our keiki and some are great for surfers. These are just our
beach parks. We still have other parks that are great for sports, and as we begin to
make adjustments to our Code, there's going to be a need for some very heavy
lifting from our Parks department to take on administrative rules and guidelines
for these parks
One concern that our police officers have is when they get complaints at these
parks, there's no consistent rule whether you can or cannot drink. The hours that
you can or cannot be in the park are all very inconsistent. Part of the larger goal
is really getting to a place where there is a clear level of understanding of what is
permitted at our parks, and how they should be used in a manner that they're built
for. So, I'm going to yield at this time and listen to the rest of my colleagues,
thank you.
CHR. RUGGLES: Mr. Kanuha.
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MR. KANUHA: Thank you, Madam Chair, and mahalo (Ms. Lee Loy) for
introducing this. I fully support it and I will definitely be voting in favor of it. I
just had a question, in general, when we put these parks, or these parks are in
these no drinking, no alcohol allowed zones, what is the process that the
department goes through or the officers in enforcing these provisions? Because in
other parks, we have allowable between this time and this time with a permit, and
even that is so difficult to enforce around the island at all our different parks.
We'll just start with this park being that there is no alcohol allowed, if this bill
goes through, what's the—how are you guys going to manage that? How are you
guys going to enforce this law? Are you guys going to just wait for people to call
in? Or is there going to be like a check every once in a while to see that nobody is
drinking? How do you guys go through with that process?
MR. ESTEBAN: Excellent question. During the course of our enforcement, may
it be drinking or smoking, we'll deploy teams to address particular calls and being
proactive in addressing the problems. Not necessarily responding to complaints,
but if we identify a certain park that has issues that we know historically happens,
we want to proactively address it before we have impaired drivers on the road.
What we would do, as we have done before, is we'll deploy teams within our
South Hilo patrol district as well as the community policing officers, and we'll
have them conduct enforcement in the particular area that would entail issuing
citations or arresting offenders. But it has to be clearly defined locations that we
can enforce. At this point, we have rules that doesn't have any teeth to it.
MR. KANUHA: And this one would obviously have some teeth to it, and you'll
clearly define what you can and cannot do at this park. So that's definitely
appreciated, not only from your side,but I'm sure from the public side as well, of
what can or cannot happen at that park. I can talk to you guys later and the Parks
Department about other areas around the island where we could definitely use
some teeth into some enforcement. Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy, I definitely support
this.
CHR. RUGGLES: Ms. Poindexter.
MS. POINDEXTER: I just wanted to say thank you for bringing this forward,
this is something that is needed, and for the testimony, and taking care of the
keiki,and making sure we lead by example and we grow healthy kids and healthy
families. So,thank you so much for that.
CHR. RUGGLES: Ms. David.
MS. DAVID: Mahalo, Chair. Aloha and mahalo for your testimony this
afternoon. I totally agree with what Ms. Lee Loy has introduced because I think
what Mr. Kanuha says is true, especially the rural areas where monitoring is very
limited. I can understand that if the law is not in place or the Code requirements
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are not in place, your hands are tied. So I really support this because it gives the
opportunity to follow through with many complaints. In my district in South
Kona,Ka`u, we have some really serious problems out there,too. So, I look at
this as a beginning and did one for Kahuku Park because it's not an all-out
restriction, but one that requires a permit. And unfortunately, still with those
regulations in place right now,there are still issues that we need to address. So I
really appreciate everything that the police force is doing, but I think we have a
lot more work to do as a Council in trying to address this really important issue.
Mahalo again for everybody, and Ms. Lee Loy, mahalo.
CHR. RUGGLES: Ms. O'Hara.
MS. O'HARA: Thank you, Chair. I too, appreciate the fact that you brought this
forward. We have a park in our community that is problematic and people are in
it all night long drinking. One of the neighbors hasn't had a full night's sleep in
five years, I don't think. So I might be asking Ms. Lee Loy for an amendment
and that would be the Hawaiian Beaches Park. It's interesting we have on this list
parks that are no longer in existence, Harry K. Brown Park and Kaimu Beach
Park. So, I'm hoping that our Parks and Recreation Department can work to get
us updated. I tried to do some research online but there's a lot of conflicting
information about what is a County park and where they are. And I see this list in
the Code and it considers parks that are no more. So, I do support it and I think
it's something that we need to take a careful look at across the island at different
parks. Thank you.
CHR. RUGGLES: Thank you, Ms. O'Hara. Anyone else? With that, I just want
to say thank you, Mr. Esteban and Mr. Lewis for being here and answering our
questions. And thank you, Ms. Lee Loy for bringing this forward.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. And thank you to the rest of my colleagues. I do
pride myself in listening very carefully to everybody, and I appreciate what
Ms. O'Hara just said because this really does become a vehicle for everybody
right now,that if there is something that you want to do, we can start slowly and
begin to edit this at this time. And so I'll be more than happy to, between this
meeting and our next meeting, to go ahead and maybe take out Harry K. Brown
Park and Kaimu Park, and add the one in Hawaiian Beaches. I can go ahead and
propose that amendment and assure the rest of my colleagues that if we move this
forward out of committee, that I'll go ahead and prepare an amendment to that
effect. But I also welcome more input between now and our next committee
meeting, if there's other areas we want to adjust,keeping in mind this would be a
prohibition of drinking in those parks.
The next piece to all of this is, what do we do with some of our other parks with
pavilions that have other permitting rules where people have parties or whatever it
is? And so ideally, what we want to do, and working with the Parks department,
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is develop a matrix of parks that if there are beach parks with no pavilion,they are
going to fall into a particular category. If they're a beach park with a pavilion
geared to youth,they'll fall into a category with specific user times and specific
user rules. If it's more of a surfing park or area where people are fishing, more
shoreline activities, coming up with a specific set of guidelines for those parks.
And then our baseball parks or soccer fields, all of these fall into categories of
parks,but they just have a different recreational need.
I do want to use this opportunity—for some reason, I don't know why they burn
out at Kealoha Beach Park like they're showing off or racing. Ms. Kamaka, if we
could get that drag strip open,maybe they could get it out of their system at the
drag strip so they wouldn't be racing down our streets. I'll leave it there,but
thank you everyone for your support.
CHR. RUGGLES: Thank you. Does anyone else want to comment? Thank you
for being willing to amend. A couple parks came to my mind when we were
talking. In my district there is Glenwood Park. There's a lot of incidences of
people wandering off onto the highway and crossing the street. A lot of people
have died actually, car accidents, people getting harassed at the bus stop. I've
been in contact with the Police Department about this multiple times. And the
other park would be the Kurtistown Park where people get water, it's been an
issue there. So,thank you for being willing to take this project on and make our
parks safer. All those in favor of Bill 48,please say"aye."
Vote on Bill 48: The motion to recommend passage of Bill 48 on first
(Approved) reading was carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members David, Eoff, Kanuha,
Lee Loy, O'Hara, Poindexter, Richards, and
Chair Ruggles–8.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Member Chung– 1.
Excused: None.
CHR. RUGGLES: Bill 47, Mr. Clerk.
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Bill 47: AMENDS CHAPTER 15, ARTICLE 9, OF THE HAWAII COUNTY
CODE 1983 (2016 EDITION, AS AMENDED), RELATING TO FARMERS
MARKETS
Creates a facility schedule for farmers markets to be established at County
parks and facilities, and adds the following parks to the schedule: Hakalau
Veterans Park, Kukuihaele Park, Pana`ewa Park,Na`alehu Park,
Kamehameha Park, and Volcano Park.
Reference: Comm. 325
Intr. by: Ms. Poindexter
Postponed: June 22, 2017
(Note: There is a motion by Ms. Poindexter, seconded by Ms. Eoff,to
recommend passage of Bill 47 on first reading.)
Atthis time, Chair Ruggles relinquished the chair to Vice Chair David.
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ACTING CHR. DAVID: Ms. Poindexter.
MS. POINDEXTER: At the last Committee meeting, we had a lot of discussion,
so I'm not going to go into that again and repeat what was already discussed. We
know what amendments we talked about, so at this time, I'd like to amend
Bill 47 with the contents of Communication 325.22.
Motion to Amend: Ms. Poindexter moved to amend Bill 47 with the contents of
Comm. 25.22. Seconded by Mr. Kanuha.
MS. POINDEXTER: Again, from the last discussion, I was able to get an
appointment with our Parks and Recreation Director and Deputy Director, and
also with our Hakalau Food Share group. The things that we discussed at that
meeting was, what is the demand? Or what is the need for that community? Who
are the consumers? Who are the farmers or vendors that would be at this farmers
market? What non-profit organization would be able to host this and take
responsibility with an MOU(Memorandum of Understanding) like Cooper Center
has? What kind of financial support does this organization have? Would Parks
and Recreation now be comfortable enough and look if the facility or park that we
were looking at was able to accommodate a farmers market? Did it have other
activities that would not allow for a farmers market?
So they determined that this was a place, at this point in time,that could be done
and used as a farmers market, with the understanding that they have an MOU and
the organization is there to take the responsibilities of whatever is going to be laid
out in the MOU. Now—that's why if you look at the amendment, it has taken out
some other parks because at this point in time—for instance, Honoka`a Park that
complex, it's the busiest park. There's no way you could do a farmers market
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there, so we took it off because at this point in time, it's not an appropriate park.
So what I have put on into the amendment is—and of course we took into
consideration Council Member Lee Loy's district and not a need for that also.
And I didn't know how Puna stood out and so what Parks and Recreation decided
is, or suggested, is that working with each Council Member when a community is
ready to be added onto a schedule.
So the way I set up the amendment is in a schedule form. I shouldn't say I set it
up, because beautiful Leslie Chow and LRB (Legislative Research Branch) is the
ones who recommended the schedule, which is excellent. I checked with our
Corporation Counsel about how it's setup as a schedule which was agreed that
this is a better way to set this Code up. So anyway, for now, we have the Hakalau
Veterans Park on here who is right now working on an MOU. Volcano Park, we
put it on in Puna because they already have an MOU. They just were not on the
Code,which they should be on the Code. So those are the two that Parks and
Recreation felt that were ready to be addressed and to be amended on the Code.
So that's what I'm putting forward and I ask for your support. So if you have any
questions, Charmaine is here and our Deputy is here also. So thank you, I'll yield
at this time.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Poindexter. Ms. Ruggles on the
amendment.
MS. RUGGLES: Thank you. I have a Point of Order.
Point of Order: MS. RUGGLES: I would like to put forth an amendment. Would I amend
Ms. Poindexter's amendment with mine, or would I be amending the original bill?
ACTING CHR. DAVID: We have to address Ms. Poindexter's one,right,
Mr. Clerk?
MR. MAEDA: That's correct. I don't know if the two amendments can work
together. It could be amended after Ms. Poindexter's.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Right, because once we amend Bill 47 with her
amendment, then Bill 47 is set as amended with just this communication, right?
So, if Ms. Ruggles wanted to entertain a further amendment, she would bring
forth another piece of legislation that would take effect after we act on
Ms. Poindexter's. So at this point, because Ms. Poindexter's amendment was
taken up first, we could not actually entertain Ms. Ruggles. Not at this time,
right?
MR. MAEDA: We have to do something with the amendment first, before we
can move on. So you have to act upon this amendment at this time.
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ACTING CHR. DAVID: Right, and so maybe—could I ask for further
clarification? Could I ask Director Kamaka to come up please? I have one
question on the Point of Order,that's why I'm calling you.
(Note: At this time, Director of Parks and Recreation Charmaine Kamaka
and Deputy Director Ryan Chong, came forward to address the members
of the Committee.)
MS. KAMAKA: Good afternoon and I brought Deputy Chong with me here too.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Good afternoon, thank you Director and Deputy. And
we're on the Point of Order on the sequence of events here. So what I'm hearing
is, Ms. Ruggles, we need to act on this proposed amendment and later on any
member can bring forth another proposal. She can amend it after we deal—
MS. KAMAKA: That's not a question for me.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Okay,because I think—but we can't read it in today,
right? No, we can't act on that today.
MR. MAEDA: I'm not sure if Ms. Poindexter's amendment and Ms. Ruggles'
amendment can work together, because I didn't look at Ms. Ruggles' amendment.
So if they're not able to work together,then you cannot do it together.
MS. RUGGLES: The amendment that I have is the same as Ms. Poindexter's, it
just adds two parks.
MS. POINDEXTER: Point of Order, real quick.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Ms. Poindexter.
Point of Order: MS. POINDEXTER: We have the Communication 325.22 before us, we have to
act on this. After that, I would say take a short recess and talk with LRB, who is
here,that can let us know how we proceed, or if Council Member Ruggles can
proceed with her communication to amend. So I would suggest dealing with this
first, and then taking a recess and checking how we proceed from that point on.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Ms. Ruggles, is that okay? I mean,that explains—what
we're doing here is kind of confusing.
MS. RUGGLES: Yeah, so after we address the current amendment,then we can
proceed with my amendment.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: I'm sorry, Mr. Clerk.
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MR. MAEDA: That sounds fine. It would be good to take a recess after
Ms. Poindexter's amendment,just to see if Ms. Ruggles can still amend it. It
could all work together because we just saw Ms. Ruggles amendment now, so
' it's work with Ms. Poindexter's amendment
we're not sure if its goingto be able to
and the bill. And so I think after, it's a good idea to take a recess after we vote on
this amendment to figure out how to move forward and if both can work together.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Okay,thank you very much. I'm sorry, we'll hana hou
you later.
MS. KAMAKA: That'suite alright.
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ACTING CHR. DAVID: Ms. Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Ms. Poindexter for listening to
the community and striking the park that didn't want a farmers market. But I do
have a question for Director Kamaka or Deputy Director Chong. So if I
understand Ms. Poindexter's narrative on how this came to be,this actually was
done in collaboration with your office or department, correct?
MS. KAMAKA: Yes,that's correct.
MS. LEE LOY: The rationale behind that, you guys already took a look at the
uses of the park, and the ones that are listed here would be conducive to having a
farmers market?
MS. KAMAKA: Those two particular parks at this point in time,that is correct.
MS. LEE LOY: Okay, and then she also struck the designated areas. We had
Waimea, Kona, and Honoka`a County Park Complex. Last time we met,the
understanding, or the definition was that they could happen in these general areas,
but now we're getting down to specifically identifying particular parks that would
meet your folks' criteria and not have competing uses with what your folks'
primary purpose is, which is recreation.
MS. KAMAKA: That's correct.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you so much for all of that. Thank you so much,
Ms. Poindexter, I will be supporting this. I know Ms. Ruggles might have more
conversation on another part of hers,but yes, I will be supporting this amendment,
thank you.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Thank you, Director.
Anyone else, comments? No? Okay, I guess we will move forward with voting
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on the communication—motion to amend with Communication 325.22, all in
favor,please say"aye."
Vote on Motion to The motion to amend Bill 47 with the contents of
Amend: Comm. 325.22 was carried by the following voice vote:
(Approved)
Ayes: Committee Members David, Eoff, Kanuha,
Lee Loy, O'Hara, Poindexter, Richards, and
Chair Ruggles–8.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Member Chung– 1.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Back to the main motion, Bill 47 as amended with
Communication 325.22. I have a request for a recess at this time, so we will take
a short recess, mahalo.
Recess: At 2:24 p.m.,the Chair called for a recess.
Reconvene: The meeting reconvened at 2:31 p.m.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Council Members, I think we got it all straightened out
now, so I'm taking this meeting out of recess. Thank you very much.
Ms. Ruggles, please.
CHR. RUGGLES: Mahalo. I'd like to move to further amend Bill 47, Draft 2
with Communication 325.23.
Motion to Further Ms. Ruggles moved to further amend Bill 47 with the
Amend: contents of Comm. 325.23. Seconded by Mr. Kanuha.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Ms. Ruggles.
CHR. RUGGLES: Thank you. So this would add Pahoa Neighborhood Facility
or Pahoa Regional Park. I would like to strike one of them after our discussion
here. After meeting with the community and listening to testimony and concerns,
I found that the Pahoa Regional Park would be much more appropriate for a
farmers market than the Pahoa Neighborhood Facility. The people in Pahoa,
since we've lost access to the Akebono parking lot, want to have the option to
have a farmers market there. The parks are there for public use, it's within our
Puna Community Development Plan Objective 3.2.2, which says, "Provides sites
and infrastructure for farmers markets at County parks and proposed village town
centers. This is in perfect alignment with that, so I just wanted to bring this forth
and I look forward to hearing my colleagues' thoughts. Thank you.
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ACTING CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Ruggles. Ms. Poindexter.
MS. POINDEXTER: Can we call Director Kamaka and Deputy Chong? I just
had a question on the Regional Park. I don't know if that is officially on our
inventory yet on the books because I know it's a new park, right? Correct?
(Note: At this time, Director of Parks and Recreation Charmaine Kamaka
and Deputy Director Ryan Chong, came forward to address the members
of the Committee.)
MS. KAMAKA: I believe it is on the inventory.
MS. POINDEXTER: Okay,because when we looked first time we did this, it
wasn't on the—
MS. KAMAKA: I'm not sure actually.
' on the inventoryand couldn't be placed on
MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah, it wasn't
the Code because it wasn't—
MS.
asn'tMS. KAMAKA: Okay, I'm not sure.
MS. POINDEXTER: Okay, if we could check on that because I think that would
be—
MS. KAMAKA: I'm checking right now.
MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah, and if it isn't, I would say that maybe if you could
withdraw your amendment if it isn't on there, because I don't think we can
officially put something on the Code that is not officially existing on another
Code. Then you could bring it up at a time when we can get that on the books
that it is in our inventory. We didn't see it, so I'm just—
MS. KAMAKA: You're probably correct because it's a relatively new facility.
MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah, so that needs to come before the Council yet to put
onto our inventory list. So until that comes then—this is my understanding and
somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, or Corporation Counsel can correct me if
I'm wrong, that we cannot add anything to a Code somewhere else if it doesn't
exist as part of our inventory yet. I don't know how we proceed with that and
getting the answer to that, because that will determine whether or not we can go
through with this amendment or not.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Director Chong, would you like a few minutes?
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MS. KAMAKA: He's scrolling through the list.
MS. POINDEXTER: It's not on, because we didn't accept it. I didn't see it come
before the Council yet, so if it's not in the Code then we would have to wait.
Mr. Kamelamela, can you come up? Thank you. Just a procedural question to
make sure that what we do is correct. The question is, on the inventory of the
parks, we had Deputy Chong look and he said it doesn't look like it's listed yet,
and that has to come before the Council to get accepted as inventory as a park
before we can start amending any other Codes that mention the park that's not in
inventory. How does that—is that correct?
(Note: At this time, Corporation Counsel Joseph Kamelamela came
forward to address the members of the Committee.)
MR. KAMELAMELA: Joseph Kamelamela, Corporation Counsel. I read the
applicable ordinance and noticed it wasn't listed, so someone, and I don't know
who is going to do it, should put forth a bill to put it on as part of the scheduled
parks in the Code.
MS. POINDEXTER: So at this time, it wouldn't be appropriate to amend
something mentioning that park since it has not been accepted—inventoried in.
MR. KAMELAMELA: Yes.
MS. POINDEXTER: Okay,thank you,that's all I had for you. So with that said,
I would think that the best way to deal with it is withdrawing it, and then helping
to get that bill forward to bring it to Council since it's on your Committee, to
accept Pahoa Regional Park into our inventory first, and then the next thing would
be to amend the code. That would be the process, so thank you.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Before we address that, Council Member Richards, did
you want to speak on this?
MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, and I think we were talking about the—we're on the
proposed amendment?
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Yes.
MR. RICHARDS: Yeah,thank you,Vice Chair. Just a few comments, I think
the exercise Ms. Poindexter went through with Parks and Recreation to have this
detailed, worked out, and we agreed that this is—or they have agreed that this is a
good facility to use because of minimal use, no conflict, etc. I think that makes
all the sense in the world. I'm a little concerned if we start assigning other parks
without going through the same vetting process. And though I don't disagree that
using an underutilized facility is a good use of that facility if we can identify that,
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my concern is if we just do this because we think it makes sense. And I'm saying
this not directly for Councilwoman Ruggles, but I'm saying kind of generically
speaking because I'm mindful of the parks in my district as well.
I'm also concerned from Parks and Recreation stand point that if we are asking
them to set up another, for lack of a better term, bureaucracy, where we're going
to increase staffing needs, we better be mindful of that as well. So on this
amendment, I'm going to speak against it for some of the reasons that have been
articulated. But also I'm very mindful of the fact—I appreciate what
Ms. Poindexter did by vetting through this and sorting it out, but we better pay
attention if we are assigning costs to Parks and Recreation. We have some
concerns from my district already and I don't want to put them in a position
where we stretch their thin resources even thinner.
So I get what you're trying to say, Councilwoman,but I'm mindful that we better
pay attention and walk a little slower. So I'm going to be speaking against the
amendment because of those reasons. It's not that I disagree with the intent but
the specifics, so I'll yield.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Ms. O'Hara.
MS. O'HARA: Thank you, Chair. I understand that we have now taken off the
Pahoa Neighborhood Facility. Is that correct Ms. Ruggles? Okay, so the one
under consideration is the Pahoa Regional Park, which we have learned that it's
not on the inventory, and I think the history is that it's not really complete. We've
done phase one, which is primarily a sports complex, and then we had that
discussion in our last meeting about use conflicts with sports complex kind of
type parks and farmers markets. When it gets expanded and phase two is
completed, which calls for a lot more attributes added to this park,which will
expand the types of uses that it's going to support,that would be time to consider
it then.
As it is now, it did get opened under the last administration late in the 2016 year,
but to my knowledge, it hasn't even been properly named yet. We're just
referring to it as the Pahoa Regional Park,but it doesn't have a proper name yet as
well. I do agree, it's somewhat onerous for Parks and Recreation to set up an
MOU or an MOA(Memorandum of Agreement) with a non-profit organization in
the community to do that, and there is one that's willing. Apparently, Main Street
Pahoa has said they would be willing to take it on, which is great when the time
is—when it's ready. But the vendors who had been meeting or having a farmers
market at the parking lot of Luquin's that burned down in January, have relocated
to another location in Nanawale at the Longhouse. I had one of the board
members there, Maddie Green, survey them, and they were real happy with that
new location. They weren't anxious to move back to downtown Pahoa. Not that
there aren't other vendors,but I would note that we already have ten farmers
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markets in Puna operating. One is daily, we have six that are weekly, and we
have three that meet once a month. So we have a lot of farmers markets.
Farmers markets are supposed to be competitive, they're kind of a model of pure
competition so that's all good. But, we do have quite a few serving the
community right now. I love the fact that Ms. Poindexter put this together
because it allows any Councilperson to amend when needed for an appropriate
park, and I agree with what Mr. Richards just said. It's good to vet it,not just
with the community, because they may not view all of the process that is involved
in creating such a venue, but they are the driver. Once it's vetted with all the
other agencies and what not, it would be a great time to add a park and it's going
to be a lot simpler with this new format that Ms. Poindexter has put together for
the Code. So I really commend that and I'm not sure that it's needed right now to
add the Pahoa Regional Park. Thank you.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. O'Hara. Ms. Lee Loy, did you wish to
speak?
MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, and I'll keep it brief. I appreciated the vetting process that
Ms. Poindexter did with the Parks Department, and running it through the criteria
or check list and vetting it. I appreciate what Ms. Ruggles is doing because it
becomes a great vehicle to add it in, but I think we have to slow down and do the
vetting process appropriately. I think what sticks out and is most concerning to
me is even if we struck out Pahoa Neighborhood Facility,the Pahoa Regional
Park hasn't been appropriately identified and codified, so then we actually don't
have a piece of legislation that actually is legal, I think is where I would stand.
I'm not going to support it at this time, and if Ms. Ruggles is willing to either pull
it back or add in the Regional Park after vetting it appropriately with the
department, I'll be more than happy to support it at that time. But, I am going to
be speaking against this one. I think there's just a little bit more work that has to
happen. Thank you.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. Lee Loy. Ms. Ruggles.
MS. RUGGLES: Thank you, I appreciate everyone's thoughts and also bringing
to my attention that it needs to be on the inventory list. Can I ask
Mr. Kamelamela a question? What steps need to be taken in order to get a park
on the inventory list?
(Note: At this time, Corporation Counsel Joseph Kamelamela came
forward to address the members of the Committee.)
MR. KAMELAMELA: The thing that has to be done, and I think from what I
understand what Parks is doing,they may have other parks that's not on the list
and so I think they were going to do that. So once that happens,then they can
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move forward, like a similar bill that Ms. Poindexter had done, so that something
similar but it involves a different section. So the section that's involved here is
Section 15-68. The bill will amend Section 15-68 to include as one of the parks,
the Pahoa Regional Park. So the process itself is not complicated.
MS. RUGGLES: Okay, so I would need to put forth a bill amending
Section 15-68 to include Pahoa Regional Park?
MR. KAMELAMELA: Yes. It would put it on the schedule, Section 15-68.1.
So that's something that you can work with Parks and Recreations with and LRB
too, so you can get it right.
MS. RUGGLES: Okay, great. Thank you.
MR. KAMELAMELA: You're welcome.
MS. RUGGLES: With that, I'm willing to withdraw this and move forward with
getting it on the inventory list, if that is so necessary in order for the community
to have the option of having a memorandum of agreement with Parks and
Recreation to have a farmers market. And I'm optimistic that we can do it and
that the Regional Park provides the infrastructure that we need and that we can
have a memorandum of understanding that can meet the needs of the community
and meet the concerns of Parks and Recreation. So with that, I'll withdraw the
amendment.
Withdraw Motion Ms. Ruggles withdrew her motion to further amend Bill 47
to Further Amend: with the contents of Comm. 325.23.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Thank you very much for that. Mr. Kanuha, did you
want to speak on Bill 47 as amended?
MR. KANUHA: Yeah,just briefly in terms of parks in general. Ms. Ruggles is
the Chair of that Committee, right? I think it's good that you work with Parks,
and it might not only be your park that's not on the schedule, but just to clean up
the Code, I think there's stuff to remove and add. So, don't only think about that
Pahoa Regional Park,but work with them to do all of them in general, if there is
stuff to be added as well. I think you can handle that one, but I don't have
anything else to say about this. I think I'm good.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Mahalo, Mr. Kanuha for that excellent suggestion, and
thank you Ms. Ruggles for withdrawing your motion. Ms. Poindexter.
MS. POINDEXTER: Thank you, Chair. The one thing that I'd like to also say is,
part of the reason why Parks was willing to work, was there wouldn't be the extra
expense. We look at like how Cooper Center, how that is being managed in the
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MOU. The MOU is going to be real clear that it doesn't take Parks maintenance
or activities directors or anything to come and give time to that. That will be
handled by the organization itself, even clean up and they've been for the past
eight years they've had a farmers market there and never once asked for any
assistance from Parks and Recreation Department, whether it be maintenance or
activities.
They did all the clean-up, so kind of acted like friends of the park as well, so it
doesn't cost the department any money. In this case, sometimes it'll help because
they may be able to do some of the maintenance and taking the trash that the
County department doesn't have to do, or come and pick up, or whatever. But the
ability to do other things as well on behalf of Parks and Recreation, so I think that
was a great partnership. I want to thank the Parks and Recreation, and I also want
to thank the Hakalau community for being very organized and putting your plans
together with Parks and Recreation, so thank you so much. I yield at this time,
thank you.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Mahalo, Ms. Poindexter. Ms. O'Hara.
MS. O'HARA: Since everybody is gathered here today, I'd hope to ask for some
clarification on what we talked about parks that are in the Code that don't exist
anymore, and new parks that need to be added to the Code. But we also have this
difference between facilities and parks. So, I'm kind of curious, we in Pahoa
have a place called the Senior Center,which is under Parks and Recreation,but
would that be an eligible facility for a farmers market because it has a great big
tent in front, it's already covered and so on? So I'm just kind of curious,what is
the limit when we're talking about parks and recreation in general, and the
facilities that they command?
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Thank you, Ms. O'Hara.
MS. O'HARA: Thank you for coming forward.
MS. KAMAKA: Thank you for that question. Each facility has to be vetted
individually, and I can't come up here and tell you that's a good spot or a bad
spot. I'd have to go back and check on the usage with the staff, how often it's
rented, and what the parking issues are. So each selection suggestion is vetted on
its own.
MS. O'HARA: So it could be something that we would refer to as a facility
rather than a park if it met all the criteria?
MS. KAMAKA: Yeah. The other thing to consider though, as Ryan points out
quickly, is that the Senior Center receives federal funds, so there's other issues
that may come into play as well. Through the Office of Aging, we receive federal
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funds for our Senior Center, so it's not that simple. I'd have to look at that, it
might not be solely our decision, we have to vet every suggested facility.
MS. O'HARA: Okay, good enough,thank you.
MS. KAMAKA: You're welcome.
ACTING CHR. DAVID: Thank you,Ms. O'Hara and thank you, Director and
Deputy Director. Okay, I think we're done and before we take the vote, I just
would like to say thank you also to Ms. Poindexter for cleaning up the issue with
Cooper Center and the Volcano market, because she offered to do that because
this is pretty much what this document is doing. It brings us all in line and we
now have a fresh start, and I thank you for that because I didn't have to do it.
Thank you for including that and Ms. Ruggles,thank you for your proposal, and I
look forward to you working with the department in getting our list up-to-date.
So with that, Council Members, all those in favor of approving Bill 47 as
amended with the contents of Communication 325.22,please say"aye."
Vote on Bill 47: The motion to recommend passage of Bill 47 as amended
(Draft 2) to Draft 2, on first reading was carried by the following
(Approved) voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members David, Eoff, Kanuha,
Lee Loy, O'Hara, Poindexter, Richards, and
Chair Ruggles—8.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Member Chung— 1.
Excused: None.
Relinquish Chair: At this time, Acting Chair David relinquished the chair to
Chair Ruggles.
CHR. RUGGLES: Thank you, Ms. David. We can move to Bill 50. Mr. Clerk.
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AMENDS CHAPTER 5, "BUILDING,"AND CHAPTER 27
Bill 50: 27, "FLOOD
CONTROL," OF THE HAWAII COUNTY CODE 1983 (2016 EDITION,
AS AMENDED), TO COMPLY WITH NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE
PROGRAM (NFIP)REGULATIONS
Pursuant to a Letter of Final Determination, dated March 29, 2017, received
by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Hawai`i County is required
to adopt or amend its floodplain management regulations to reflect changes in
the revised Flood Insurance Rate Map (FIRM)prior to September 29, 2017,
the FIRM's effective date. Non-compliance may'subject the County to
suspension from the NFIP, which would make flood insurance and certain
types of Federal disaster assistance unavailable.
Reference: Comm. 334
Intr. by: Ms. Ruggles (B/R)
CHR. RUGGLES: May I have a motion?
Motion to Approve: Ms. Lee Loy moved to recommend passage of Bill 50 on
first reading. Seconded by Ms. Eoff.
CHR. RUGGLES: It basically brings our chapters up-to-date with the
requirements of the new federal flood regulations, and we needed to change this
before September 27, otherwise, we couldn't participate in the federal programs
that we need. So this is sort of a housekeeping measure, and we have the
department here if anyone needs clarification.
(Note: At this time, Allan Simeon Deputy Director of Department of
Public Works came forward to address the members of the Committee.)
MR. SIMEON: Hello. Good afternoon, Council Members. This is Allan
Simeon, Deputy Director of DPW(Department of Public Works). Thank you.
CHR. RUGGLES: Thank you, Mr. Simeon. Would you please give us a brief
description of why we're updating our chapter here?
MR. SIMEON: Yes. I'm hoping that you guys had a chance to read the overview
proposed NFIP (National Flood Insurance Program)bill. So technically, we are
required to amend the Floodplain Management ordinance, and it has to be
finished before September 29th of this year, otherwise, we're going to be unable
to take advantage of the help that we get for disaster relief funds, similar to what
we were able to get for the lava flow and also Hurricane Iselle.
In addition to that, one of the major consequences will be our community will
suffer for the fact that they may either get a higher rate for insurance, or some of
them may not be able to maintain their mortgage because of the bank possibly
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recalling their mortgage because of non-compliance with the flood insurance
requirements.
So basically,what was amended in Chapter five and Chapter 27 are minor. Some
are semantics, but the big thing about Chapter five is requiring those building
auxiliary structures, like agriculture, that right now is exempt from coming to get
a building permit. After this is adopted,we are going to be requiring them to
come and check with us to make sure their structure that they planned, although
exempt, have to be checked by our department to make sure that they do have to
comply with the flood management program if they are required. But basically,
the two main ones are,we are going to be able to avail again for the disaster relief
funds and also the access to insurance, not only for the County but the whole
community once we have finalized the adoption of the ordinance before
September 29.
CHR. RUGGLES: Thank you.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Allan for being here. I noticed a
number under Chapter five—amending Chapter five and Chapter 27, and forgive
me because I'm a little confused because I know them to be two different
chapters. So I'm looking under Bill 50,page 3, Section 5-19.1, Permit not
required. Is this coming directly out of the IBC (International Building Code,) or
straightly from FEMA(Federal Emergency Management Agency) and the federal
program?
MR. SIMEON: We have our Floodplain Management personnel here.
(Note: At this time, Bryce Harada Civil Engineer came forward to address
the members of the Committee.)
MS. LEE LOY: On Bill 50,page three, Section 5-19.1, there's a number of
permits not required. Is this coming right out of the IBC, or is this coming from
the federal flood insurance and compliance with that particular national guideline?
MR. HARADA: Yeah, it's with the federal guideline.
MS. LEE LOY: Is there any—are we going to need to provide amendments to
our County IBC Code and the IRC (International Residential Code) Code that
have a number of—or are there not exemptions? And I ask that question because
I have a number of clients that go through the building permit process, and I know
this applies to flood areas and AE and AH zoned areas, but I'm just wondering if
we're going to have to make another adjustment with our IRC and IBC? Have we
looked at that?
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MR. HARADA: I'm not too sure. We would have to look into that, but this bill
was brought to us by our State coordinator, and she told us that these are the
changes that we need to make.
MS. LEE LOY: I'm willing to support this right now because I recognize the
timing element that goes with it, and we don't want to lose any type of funding
that may happen because we don't adopt this. But again,the type of work that
I've done in the past,there's all these other codes that come into play, and we just
want to make sure that there is either no conflict, or there is an actual bright line
of a process when they're trying to develop buildings that may be impacted by the
flood zone areas or just other things. That's all I'm asking.
MR. HARADA: Basically, any kind of structures, Chapter 5 right now gets you
exempt if you have the agricultural buildings or other smaller buildings. But
we're just trying to say that any kind of building needs to check with Chapter 27
for flood.
MS. LEE LOY: Okay, so even like if you're on the shoreline, right? Because we
would have flooding related to the shoreline. So, if we're building on the
shoreline, you would check with Chapter 27 first before putting together your
building construction plans under Chapter 5?
MR. HARADA: Yes.
MS. LEE LOY: Was tough yeah that question? Very good, and that's all I'm
looking out for. I think again, a lot of the architects, drawers, and civil engineers
just really want to understand the process clearly, because what they hate to do is
submit something and think they're complying, and then later those plans get
kicked back. So I'm just trying to look out for that,thank you.
MR. SIMEON: On page four of this amendment,there is a new paragraph under
B, Section 5-19.1, Permit not required. And all the way down to page four, we
have that B, so basically that's an addition. So right now, with this amendment,
we will be able to build a database because some of the exempted structures now,
they don't even come and talk to us. So with this, while complying with
Chapter 27, we will also have a database of who has this because when somebody
sells a property and doesn't have a permit,then that can be a question. But if they
can show that they did check with Public Works, and they can show that it's legal
under the exemption,that would solve that problem. Thank you.
MS. O'HARA: Thank you, Chair. I understand that this is a requirement and it
seems that we haven't added much,but we have, in terms of Section 5-19.1,
which used to be just 5-19(b), Exceptions a permit is not required for. There's no
change in that list of 24 items is there?
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MR. SIMEON: No.
MS. O'HARA: It's just the same, its just moved around. Okay, I'm just trying to
follow. So can you, in just a few words, tell us what substantive changes were
actually made? I see the addition of(b), under those 24 items is a new section
that you just pointed out. And then further on, on page five, "this Chapter shall
not apply to: . . .,"that's all been crossed out. And then further, it appears we've
added mudflows that we didn't have in there before, is that right?
MR. HARADA: Yes that's correct.
MS. O'HARA: And then on page six,the addition of the"Expansion to an
existing manufactured home park or subdivision."
MR. SIMEON: Yeah, that's a new section.
MS. O'HARA: That's new language that wasn't in here at all before, or was just
moved around?
MR. SIMEON: I believe that's new.
MR. HARADA: Yes that's new.
MS. O'HARA: That's a new one, that's what I thought. Okay, I'm just trying to
get a feel for what real changes we made here and what we just moved around.
MR. HARADA: I'm not sure if you have this handout. On the second page on
the back it says changes made by the proposed NFIP bill. It summarizes real
briefly what changes we're making, so most of them are just like definitions that
need to be updated, or things that need to be deleted.
CHR. RUGGLES: It's Communication 334.1.
MR. HARADA: So none of the changes are substantial,they're all just keeping it
updated and that's about it.
MS. O'HARA: Okay,thank you. I just wanted a little clarification because it
looks complicated on first glance, but it's not really. Okay, thank you.
MR. HARADA: It looks long,but it's not really much changes.
CHR. RUGGLES: Mr. Richards.
MR. RICHARDS: Thank you, Chair. This is more of an informational question.
Is this in response to because I know they've changed the floodplain maps, is
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this part of all of that? This was something that came up when we were at the
Western Region Meeting of the National Association of Counties. They've talked
about this,that it's more inclusive maps. They had—help me out, Council
Member Kanuha, it had to do, as I recall,with how they deemed what could be
flooded now whereas before—so the change in maps, is that what is triggering the
change in this? Then I agree,this is a bit of a housekeeping. But that being said,
I know one of my constituents just told me yesterday that their house is now on a
floodplain, where it wasn't previously. So is this part of that process?
MR. HARADA: This is part of the digital flood insurance rate maps that are
going to be effective September 29, 2017. So this is part of that,but as far as—
what was your question again?
MR. RICHARDS: Well, if this was part of that. So then, do we know how much
more of our land mass is going to be included in floodplains that wasn't
previously?
MR. SIMEON: So basically,the new FIRM maps is probably upgraded so it may
change as far as the land mass.
MR. RICHARD S: Have we seen that number yet? The reason I'm asking is
because this is something that we ran into while we were at this meeting, and it
had to do with the dike systems around rivers. If the core of engineers deemed
that these dikes were not high enough, deemed on a hundred year flood,then the
dikes didn't count, and so the inundation area was substantially increased
And then I was just told by a constituent yesterday that her house is now in a
floodplain where it's never been before. So that's my question. I think we have
to do this because it's housekeeping. If we don't, we're not going to comply. But
I do know there's efforts right now to address this nationally, and I'm not sure
where we are with all that. A real big question for you guys is, are you familiar
with what's going on with all this stuff?
MR. HARADA: I believe that's separate.
MR. SIMEON: We do have—don't want to mention it because it's for another
day discussion. We have the Puna flood study, for example, and also for the
Kona side. So those are being mapped now, or had been mapped,but may need
to be revisited as far as what communities or properties will be affected and how
much. We are working with our consultant to have those reviewed and also
revised if we have to. So those are going to be done on another day per se.
MR. RICHARDS: I get what you're saying, but this is all tied back to that same
thing, which is a problem nationally because it's affecting everybody, and
substantial increase in cost for a lot of people.
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MR. SIMEON: Yes,that's correct. And some properties that were not in a flood
zone before, because of the added studies and now it's being mapped, they may
be in a flood zone.
MR. RICHARDS: The validity of those studies were being brought to question
and that's the big thing. So okay, I yield. Thank you.
CHR. RUGGLES: Ms. Poindexter.
MS. POINDEXTER: I may be off base or trying to understand this—wrap my
head around this. I know in `O`okala, we should be in a floodplain which would
definitely decrease the value of all our homes in that community. We know that
because whenever you develop on mauka lands anywhere on this island, if you
don't do it right, you're going to end up being in a floodplain. You are going to
have to continuously start assessing if we have the correct floodplain maps and
areas that are in floodplains. I'm concerned about that. I'm working on that with
some groups, looking at the entire island, and storm water runoff, so we're getting
together. I was concerned about some of the things that were exempt like work
performed under the jurisdiction of federal government and are located on federal
property.
So the County wouldn't check, or they wouldn't check with the County. If this is
in `O`okala's case, 12-19% slopes is on highly erodible soil. So, you're talking
about building one of the exemptions, is detached structures for animal shelters,
storage sheds,towers, and similar uses not more than six feet in height. Even if
it's that, if you do something like that on that property above our community,
you're going to cause a lot of damage down below if they don't get the correct
permits. When I'm reading this, it's kind of bringing up red flags for me and our
communities that live on the Hamakua Coast. Most of the mauka lands are highly
erodible soil, some of it is planted with eucalyptus trees, and those were kind of
taken care of.
I'm talking about some of the more open land areas that we're just bringing in
more either industrial use, or larger farming areas. So I'm a little concerned with
this, and I don't know if I should be, and if I'm reading it correctly. My caution is
the small rural communities that we're not looking at when developing the
exemptions, so I don't know if my concerns are real. Bryce,maybe you can
answer that because you've been dealing with the exemption that the County gave
this big operation that has flooded our community out, and they exempted the
permits. So based on NRCS (Natural Resource Conservation Service) saying,
"By the way, we have these plans but they weren't following it," so the County
gave them the exemption, and then now to me we're in a floodplain. That caused
the floodplain.
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MR. HARADA: That's separate,but as far as this proposed bill, nothing for that
changed.
MS. POINDEXTER: So the exemptions of them—so this meaning that they
couldn't go build other animal shelters up on that property,they still would have
to come for grub and grading permits, or does this exempt them? Because it says
no need permit.
MR. SIMEON: I think in this case, I know what you're talking about as far as the
dairy. I believe as far as the other requirements, like the grading and grubbing, it
still would be in effect. But the fact that they are under the Hamakua water
conservation, if they have a plan, we're supposed to review and approve as well.
MS. POINDEXTER: And monitor?
MR. SIMEON: That's where the enforcement comes in, yes. As far as trying to
get the exemption, we still need to get something from them for us to give them
the exemption.
MS. POINDEXTER: So my question was, does all of this have—does that kind
of blend into what that is? Or this is like a totally separate thing and you're still
going to hold people accountable and—?
MR. SIMEON: Under the added chapters, yes.
MS. POINDEXTER: Okay,because they cannot use this as an excuse and go,
"Oh by the way, we got this exemption right over here, we can use this."
MR. SIMEON: Yes.
MR. HARADA: This is separate.
MS. POINDEXTER: Okay, thank you.
CHR. RUGGLES: Thank you. I just wanted to let the record show that
Mr. Richards has left us at this point. He had to attend to matters in his district
having to do with school safety. Okay, go ahead Ms. David.
MS. DAVID: Thank you, Chair. Mahalo Deputy Director for the explanation. I
just had a question. This is to get the County in compliance with the
requirements. Is the State also being required to revise its statutes to also
conform? And so it's the State and the County-level revisions that we're looking
at also? Or is it just the County?
MR. HARADA: This is just the County one.
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MS. DAVID: It's the County one? So nothing on the State level is being done? I
understood that they had to come into compliance also in some respects.
MR. HARADA: Yes,that was separate.
MS. DAVID: That's a separate thing, but is it being done under the same
timeline as we are as a County?
MR. HARADA: No. I think that's the ag bill. I'm actually not too sure but as far
as this, it's just the County.
MS. DAVID: That was my question, whether we were the only ones being
required to come into compliance. And my second comment is basically on what
Council Member Richards had stated in the mapping process. Because I think
there has been in the past, a lot of situations where the mapping process itself had
resulted in the things that Mr. Richards was noting in his concerns, about where
areas that had not been in a flood zone before are now appearing in flood zones.
And I think it also connects to what Ms. Poindexter is saying, because land
alteration basically can create things that was non-existent before. So, I don't
have any particular question, I just wanted to note that Mr. Richards' concern is
also a very important concern that I have, especially in my district. I will talk
story with you folks later on about that. But I appreciate you folks bringing this
forward. Thank you.
MR. KANUHA: Thank you. Mr. Richards isn't here but I'll try to elaborate on
what they were talking about at the Western Interstate Region. Counties are
having issues with FEMA and the floodplain maps. Just to give an example, in
Tillamook County, Oregon, an entire area designated in a floodplain zone where
they have cows and produce cheese were going to be taken out of these areas
because now it's designated as a floodplain. And they would have to have
insurance for it and do all this kind of stuff, and it is a huge problem for this
County, and they're having issues. Just seeing how other counties are trying to
deal with it and waiting for the feds and the Congress to update these maps and
going through all the regulations all the time,they're having a lot of issues in
figuring out how to do that.
It always comes back to them putting all these mandates on States and local
governments on how to manage this juggernaut of a flood insurance thing. But, I
don't want to go into too many details about this, I know we're just trying to get
into the compliance mode of being part of this from the federal regulations. But,
this is kind of in conjunction with the maps that did come out. I'm not going to
try to—I know our current Director was in charge of mapping those floodplains or
the County's flood ways. I know there were a few issues that we've had,
especially in Kona, of certain individuals and property owners being part of the
flood. Now they're part of it, which they weren't in the past, and trying to deal
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with how to comply if they are going to be part of this, and how to not be part of
it.
If there's a conflict,how does a person contest that they're now going to be in
that, and what is the process of doing that? Do they need to hire an expert that'11
cost them thousands and thousands of dollars to contest why they're now in that
floodplain? Just some issues that I'm sure that the normal, everyday person has
no idea how to deal with this kind of stuff, so it's hard. It's even hard for me to
understand a lot of what's going on here, so—and I know we're going to be
dealing with the maps that came out. When is the deadline for community input
that we just got the notification about? It's coming up soon,right?
MR. HARADA: The public input is finished already,that was a year or two ago.
This is just basically telling everyone it's going to be finalized in September and
just notifying everyone. We just have to get a compliant code.
MR. KANUHA: Okay, yeah it's already pau. Thank you, I'll yield at this time.
CHR. RUGGLES: Ms. Poindexter.
MS. POINDEXTER: Just for clarification, back to what I was talking about. So
basically, you took out all of this and all you did is rearrange it differently and
nicely, right? So you guys didn't delete anything or say, "Hey,this shouldn't be
in that" or anything? So I have a question, if somebody's going to do a reservoir
up there, it says they don't need a permit,but they would still need to come in for
a grub and grading permit, correct or no?
MR. SIMEON: I believe that's correct.
MS. POINDEXTER: You believe that's correct? I would like to make sure that
is correct because that's happening. Like I said, most of our communities live on
the makai, right? The mauka is where a lot of activities and developments are
going on. So I want to make sure that any grub and grading that happens mauka
has to go through you, and these exemptions doesn't include it if it says, "Oh by
the way,we're putting in a reservoir and we don't need the permit for that, but,
oh, by the way, we still have to get the grub and grading because, you know,
highly erodible soil." We're going to come down into the `O`okala community,
we better have insurance to protect them, when FEMA can come in and help, you
know we're in that floodplain. I want to make sure all of that is in place and we
don't just give them a loophole to get out of this.
MR. SIMEON: Yes, so basically,the beauty of this is for them to come and
check with us. Bryce and his team, with the regulatory section, will also be the
ones responsible for grading and grubbing.
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MS. POINDEXTER: So if we can make sure because like I said, we have so
much mauka development going on, and our maps are not in good shape right
now because we're allowing people on ag land to do whatever, and then it's
flooding out. And it's not just in `O`okala, it's happening throughout my
coastline. I've even gotten calls from Kona concerned about the developments in
mauka and that flood waters that are coming down, and they just heard because
that was happening in `O`okala--how I felt about that and what am I doing. So,
just be—we know DPW(Department of Public Works) had to go up there and go
look, and we know what's happening even in Honomu, and Hakalau and all that
area. I've been working with DPW on the flooding that's going on in those
communities, so I just want to make sure everything fits together so people don't
have loopholes and get away with stuff. So,thank you.
MR. SIMEON: And also,the community has a way because of the enforcement
capacity we have, we may not be able to go and check all the time. That's where
the community is very instrumental in letting us know.
MS. POINDEXTER: And we've been calling from 2012, and now it's 2017. The
County just went out last month to go look at it, so that's why I'm concerned.
Okay,thank you.
MR. SIMEON: Yes, understandable,thank you.
CHR. RUGGLES: Thank you. Are there any other questions or comments?
With that,thank you for being here. Thank you for answering our questions and
for moving this forward, and making sure we're up to date and protected. All
those in favor of Bill 50,please say"aye."
Vote on Bill 50: The motion to recommend passage of Bill 50 on first
(Approved) reading was carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members David, Eoff, Kanuha,
Lee Loy, O'Hara, Poindexter, and
Chair Ruggles–7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Members Chung and Richards–2.
Excused: None.
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ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 3:20 p.m., Ms. Lee Loy moved to adjourn the
MENT: meeting. Seconded by Ms. David and carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members David, Eoff, Kanuha,
Lee Loy, O'Hara, Poindexter, and
Chair Ruggles—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Committee Members Chung, and Richards—2.
Excused: None.
CHR. RUGGLES: We are adjourned.
Approved:
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Ms. J ' er Ruggles, Chair Date
Publi• Works and Parks and Recreation Committee
JR/jm/hs
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