HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN PWMTC 2019/07/08 2018-2020Committee on Public Works and Mass Transit
1Oth Session
Hawaii County Building
25 Aupuni Street
Hilo, Hawaii
July 8, 2019
CALL TO
The regular meeting of the Committee on Public Works and Mass Transit
ORDER:
was called to order at 9:02 a.m., in the Council Chambers, Hilo, by
Ms.
Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Chair.
ROLL CALL:
Present:
Ms.
Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Chair
Mr.
Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Vice Chair
Ms.
Karen Eoff, Member, Member
Mr.
Aaron S. Y. Chung, Member
Ms.
Maile Medeiros David, Member
Ms.
Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member
Ms.
Valerie T. Poindexter, Member
Mr.
Herbert M. "Tim" Richards, III, Member
Ms.
Rebecca Villegas, Member
STATEMENTS
FROM THE
PUBLIC ON
AGENDA ITEMS:
COMMUNI-
CATIONS:
The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
Statements from the Public on Agenda Items.
The following individual registered to speak and came forward
when called by the Chair:
Dwight J. Vicente:
Res. 203-19 (Comm. 334); and
Res. 204-19 (Comm. 335), comment.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you Mr. Vicente. Seeing no more testifiers, I'm going
to close public testimony at this time. If I have no objections from the rest of my
colleagues, in an effort to manage our agenda what I'd like to do is start with
Resolution 204, because we have the applicant's representative here; then
followed by 203, and then Resolution 205.
The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
Communications.
(There were none.)
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Change Order
As directed by the Chair and with no objection from the Council Members, the
of Business:
following items were taken out of order:
ORDER OF
The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business,
RESOLUTIONS:
Order of Resolutions.
Res. 204-19:
ACCEPTS THE DEDICATION OF MAMAKA STREET (OLA HOU ESTATES,
UNITS 1 AND 2) AND `OHIOHI STREET (OLA HOU ESTATES, UNIT 2,
NORTH AND SOUTH SECTIONS), AFFECTING TAX MAP KEY: 1-6-153:036,
SITUATED AT KEA`AU, DISTRICT OF PUNA, ISLAND AND COUNTY OF
HAWAII, STATE OF HAWAII, FROM GRAPHIC IMAGES HAWAII, INC., A
HAWAII CORPORATION
The landholder seeks to dedicate the roadways and all improvements to the County
for public roadway purposes.
Reference: Comm. 335
Intr. by: Ms. Lee Loy (B/R)
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Clerk. A motion please, to forward
Resolution 204-19 with a favorable recommendation to Council?
Motion to Approve: Ms. Poindexter moved to recommend adoption of Res. 204-19.
Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz.
CHR. LEE LOY: With that, I'd like to call the applicants forward.
(Note: At this time, Graphic Images Hawaii, Inc. President
Roland Higashi and partner Laurie Higashi came forward to address
the members of the Committee.)
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you. As you join us here at the table please introduce
yourself, and you know, go ahead and share what this resolution does. Thank
you.
MR. HIGASHI: I'm Roland Higashi, President of Graphic Images of Hawaii,
and I have with me my partner, Laurie Higashi.
MS. HIGASHI: Laurie Higashi.
CHR. LEE LOY: Go ahead Mr. Higashi.
MR. HIGASHI: What this resolution calls for is the dedication of the roads that
was built to County standards. A subdivision in Kea`au. As mentioned, there
were several streets that were dedicated. They've been inspected and approved
by Public Works, and we're here to ask for your consideration.
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CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you Mr. Higashi. As the applicant stated, really it is just
a dedication of their subdivision. It's been approved by the Department of Public
Works. If I have any discussion? Seeing none, thank you Mr. Higashi. Alright,
all those in favor of sending Resolution 204-19 to the Council with a positive
recommendation, please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 204-19: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 204-19 was
(Approved) carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Eoff,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Poindexter,
Richards, Villegas, and Chair Lee Loy — 9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you. Moving on to Resolution 203-19
Res. 203-19: ACCEPTS THE DEDICATION OF ROAD LOT 3-D, IDENTIFIED AS TAX
MAP KEY: 7-3-004:025, SITUATED AT KALAOA 5TH, DISTRICT OF NORTH
KONA, ISLAND AND COUNTY OF HAWAII, STATE OF HAWAII, FROM
THOMAS P. WHITTEMORE, TRUSTEE UNDER THAT CERTAIN
UNRECORDED REVOCABLE TRUST OF THOMAS P. WHITTEMORE,
DATED JANUARY 4, 1994, AS AMENDED AND RESTATED, AND
LUCINDA H. WHITTEMORE, TRUSTEE UNDER THAT CERTAIN
UNRECORDED REVOCABLE TRUST OF LUCINDA H. WHITTEMORE,
DATED JANUARY 4, 1994, AS AMENDED AND RESTATED
The landholders seek to dedicate the roadway and all improvements for roadway
purposes.
Reference: Comm. 334
Intr. by: Ms. Lee Loy
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you Clerk. Please, a motion to approve
Resolution 203-19 with a favorable recommendation to Council?
Motion to Approve: Ms. Eoff moved to recommend adoption of Res. 203-19.
Seconded by Mr. Richards.
CHR. LEE LOY: Any discussion? Go ahead Ms. Eoff
MS. EOFF: Thank you. I just was informed that Mr. Whittemore is in Kona
should we have any questions, but I don't have any at this time. Mr. Whittemore
would you like to share anything about this resolution? Seeing none. I think this
one, again too, has been approved by Public Works, Department of Water Supply,
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Planning Department, and Corporation Counsel. All of them have no objections
to it being accepted and have been reviewed by those departments.
MR. RICHARDS: Chair, it looked like he was trying to come to the table, I'm
not sure.
CHR. LEE LOY: Mr. Whittemore, would you like to share anything?
MR. WHITTEMORE: No, I have nothing further.
CHR. LEE LOY: Alright, seeing no discussion, all those in favor of sending
Resolution 203-19 to the Council with a favorable recommendation, please say
Ic aye.
Vote on Res. 203-19: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 203-19 was
(Approved) carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes:
Committee Members Chung, David, Eoff,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Poindexter,
Richards, Villegas, and Chair Lee Loy — 9.
Noes:
None.
Absent:
None.
Excused:
None.
Return to Order The Chair directed the Committee to return to the order of business.
of Business -
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you. Moving on to Resolution 205-19.
Res. 205-19: URGES THE ADMINISTRATION TO ACQUIRE HYDROGEN -POWERED
BUSES FOR THE MASS TRANSIT AGENCY TO INCREASE THE USE OF
CLEAN ENERGY
The acquisition would provide a replacement energy source for public
transportation and accelerate the County's goal to reduce dependence on
fossil fuels.
Reference: Comm. 336
Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder
Motion to Approve: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder recommended adoption of
Res. 205-19. Seconded by Mr. Richards.
CHR. LEE LOY: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, please lead the discussion on this.
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(Note: At this time, Mass Transit Administrator Brenda Carreira and
Managing Director Wil Okabe came forward to address the members of
the Committee.)
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Good morning, Brenda. Good morning,
Wil. Thank you for being here. So I came across, if you look there a
communication that's attached to this, Communication 336.1, which is an old
resolution written byI can't read the name; written by some smart member of
our Council previous to us in 2006, which was a resolution to increase the use of
high energy efficient vehicles and to save County funds therefore and using
alternative fuel.
So, we have a past resolution that happened a long time ago pushing us to do this.
And I'm going to up that and kind of push along this hydrogen powered route. So
my questions, Brenda, is I know we have three buses incoming already that are
hydrogen fuel -sourced based. The two Volcano National Park buses and then a
third, I believe, is floating. We talked about that during our last meeting when we
talked about this. What is hydrogen? How does it apply to the County?
I'd like to take that a little bit further though and see where you are in your RFP
(Request for Proposal) process for diesel buses. How far in we are, and how we
can start making this shift, which is going to be a little bit more expensive, and yet
be a whole lot more future -minded as far as how we start proceeding, especially
when it comes to Mass Transit, about fueling our fleet.
So, where are we in our RFP process with diesel buses? Can we shift and make
some shifts into hydrogen -powered buses? And can I get the Administration to
kind of give us a blessing via, you know, a few pieces of legislation that exists
already that are guiding us towards this, whether it's 100 percent renewable,
sustainable by 2045. You know, adopting measures to make our fleet more
energy efficient, or however you want to look at that. You know, they're sitting
out there and we can stand on that. So talk to me a little bit.
MS. CARREIRA: Brenda Carreira, Mass Transit Administrator with Managing
Director, Wil Okabe. So okay, regarding the hydrogen, we have only one bus
now from the Hawaii Volcano National Park. Mayor Kim had received a letter
from Superintendent Orlando that there were two available, and they were going
through the process. Somehow we lost one. They gave it to somebody else. I
just found out last week, and so we have one.
That particular minibus is not in any condition right now to go on the road, as far
as for Hele On. It's got to be painted. It's got all kinds of fitting that has to be
done, so I'm not sure when that would be available, but we are acquiring that one.
We're paying $500 for that particular vehicle. I just found out last week that it
was a 2012, but very low mileage, 1,045, something like that. So, Mitch Ewan
from the U.H. would need to—he knows about it and he's going to look at it.
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The second one is not ours yet because it's still needs to be dedicated to us, but
it's totally painted and it has the Hele On colors. Mitch will let me know
sometime this summer to go up and look at it, but it's also not ready to go on the
road yet.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay.
MS. CARREIRA: So this too, definitely according to the Mass Transit plan, just
as a matter of course, is looking towards the zero emission renewable energy
vehicles. That's something we need to do, if we can do it earlier that would be
great.
What's happening is now on the RFP's everything, all the bus requisitions, I
mean, I'm sorry, bus specifications for the GET (General Excise Tax) have all
been completed with those RFP's. The bids haven't gone out or anything like
that. It doesn't mean it couldn't be changed, because we're using GET monies,
okay.
Federal grants, four of them are coming December or January. That's already
been awarded. Those are diesel. That came from Federal grants. We have more
vehicles with Federal grants. Because you have to make an application for the
grants and then it's approved, we cannot change anything with the Federal grants
from last year or the ones currently in the budget. It was for diesel, and so those
would not be able to be changed.
Now GET, because it hasn't even gone out for a bid and we're still working on
that, yes that's a possibility. But with the GET, I think we were looking at eight
paratransit vans, three 40 -foot buses; three 25 -seater mini buses. We're looking at
two 35 -foot buses in that area, all diesel. All the bus specs that we did at that time
was all diesel. I knew about the hydrogen, but it wasn't ready yet. Electric, we
don't have the infrastructure for the buses.
Now cost -wise, diesel and electric are going to cost you between $300,000 and
probably $600,000, okay. The hydrogen, and I think Riley Saito is supposed to be
in Kona, maybe to answer any questions you might have. It will cost about
$1 million, so that's a big difference. Now, what I've been faced with—and I
appreciate the fact about urging us to go renewable energy, of course.
Now, also with the RFP's, I'm sorry, I also put in an application for a grant for ten
40 -foot buses. I did not in that specify that it was diesel, okay. That went out last
month; they're going to review it I think this month. And then they'll let us know
in September, I think, if we got approved for that. Because it was a $423 million
grant and we had to get in the application, so I put in for ten.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: For ten?
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MS. CARREIRA: Ten 40 -foot buses. Looking at three for Saddle Road, because
we needed the new buses for Saddle Road, things like that. So I won't know
about that. And there were more Federal grants for this fiscal that we put in for
more buses. So, there's a possibility of switching. The hydrogen would cost
more. There was also a question of retrofitting buses.
When I talked to Riley Saito, he came to see us, and we were there with
Ted Schrey at my office. You know, my question was, we've got buses from
1995 to 2015. Most of them are on their last legs, so I'm not sure that we want to
retrofit those old buses, but, he said certain ones could. Well, I guess we could
look at it.
This is my concern, frankly the history for me with different types of buses have
not been good. The hydrogen bus, since I started November 1st, has never been
on the road for eight months. I think it has to be charged, but it doesn't belong to
us, but I'm working with BYD (Build Your Dreams).
Double-decker is another one. Great concept. Since I've been here, both of them,
well one of them has worked five days. The Maui double-decker worked for
about three hours. So the history that I have has not been good, so I'm a little
wary.
When we get the hydrogen bus, so I can get some time to see, "Hey, six months
and wow this is great." My recommendation or what I plan to do because
NELHA (Natural Energy Laboratory of Hawaii Authority) has the fueling
facility in Kona, is to use it on the PM Waimea shuttle. That goes up and down
Kawaihae Road. That will give me a really good indication whether having this
hydrogen fuel on the bus that it's working good on that kind of grade. Because
frankly, a lot of the buses that Polynesian Adventure Tours have, have broken
down because of coming up and down Kawaihae Road. The grade is so steep,
and I'm not even going to go close to Saddle Road yet. So I'd like to have the
opportunity to do that.
Now, Riley also talked about how we could get the hydrogen, the Kona landfill
and you know, there's other things that we kind of talked about. You know, I'm
looking for whatever's going to work best for us, honestly. And if we can do the
renewable energy, I'd love to do it. It's just at this time I would be fiscally
irresponsible if I could tell you, "Let's do the entire fleet in hydrogen." I just
don't know if that it's going to work. I wish there was another, you know, island
that was doing hydrogen that I could go out and look.
Now I know Riley was telling me they have a schedule on the procurement, you
know, with the legislative bill, and he's really great to explain all of that. And so
is Mitch. They worked really hard on this. So we have a facility. My
understanding is the fuel and the output that it has can actually fuel three vehicles
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a day, but we only have one. And there was a possibility of putting in tanks,
whatever and transporting it to Hilo, but you know, then we're looking at
infrastructure.
And so, now that I've gone through one of the budget processes, I'm already
looking at the current budget; talking with staff to make sure I'm looking through
everything; are we on track? So, I would like to say that hopefully, you know,
we're going to be able to do hydrogen or whether it's electric. I've got electric.
We got also natural gas, because we talked to Riley about that, and that would
probably be easier to do. So, I'm personally excited that once we can get the
hydrogen we can see how it works, and I would like to do that first before, so that
I can come back and tell you whether if its three months say, "Wow, this is just
great."
Because the other thing that we need to do is that I have to have my mechanics
trained because this is new. I need to know, how is the bus; what kind of issues
do we have? Could we repair it, what about parts? How long does it take for us
to get that? That's the kind of things for me as an Administrator, I need to look
at. So I know long answer, but that's where I am, but I think the concept is great.
I just don't know if it'll work yet. I'm a visual type person that's why. I need to
see how it works, and I just haven't seen any of these three work, you know.
And the diesels don't, and I only say right now, it's a cleaner fuel, but they don't
work because most of them are too old and too broken. But we can change
specifications. There's still time. It's just, it is more costly. But I just don't
think, if we get it maybe next month, it won't be till early next year where I could
come back and tell you guys it's working or not. So, you know, yeah.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you. So, I think a couple things
stood out to me is retrofitting, the technology is there. It allows you to drop
everything out of the bus that doesn't work now. And we have buses from 2015
to—or was is 1995? So how many buses do we have sitting around that don't
work right now?
MS. CARREIRA: Probably around 15.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Fifteen buses. And they're in decent enough
shape that we can clean them up and run them if we needed to?
MS. CARREIRA: Oh no.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That's just—don't think about the engine,
just think interior. Looks and interior that are, you know, comfortable that are
usable. Just estimate.
MS. CARREIRA: If they really look good?
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MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: You know, good enough to get people
around the island, around Waimea or Hilo, or wherever it might be.
MS. CARREIRA: Maybe five.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So okay, if we took five of those, how much
is a brand new diesel engine if we were to put a new engine in and fix the
problems that we had?
MS. CARREIRA: $50,000.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So if we could retrofit and drop the engine,
the drive -train, drop everything and retrofit with a different type of engine; a fuel
cell, which is possible. I think we talked about this with Riley last time for a price
that was comparable to $50,000. That's less than buying a new bus. That gives
us five buses for less than like—was that quarter of the cost of an actual like one
new bus. So to me, that's a very viable alternative for this County to save money
and get buses back on the road using technology that exists.
Second, there may not be island doing it right now, and I think that is an
opportunity for us to jump on, not wait to see another island do it, but become the
first island to do it. I know California, Europe, they're already running hydrogen
buses. So to see if the technology works, I think we're a little behind the schedule
on that. It is working, they are using it; it works well. It's just a matter of
implementing it; teaching the mechanics how to use it, and it does provide job
opportunities.
And I'm going to come back to the fact that natural gas, diesel, or gas. All these
are fossil fuels that we dig out of the ground, refine somewhere, ship across an
ocean; land them or refine on Oahu and then shipped back to us on this island. If
anything ever did happen, we are completely at risk. You know, we're just going
to lose our fossil fuel sources. They will not come in.
And that is a high possibility, given climate change and everything else that is
happening in the world. So being forethinking, I think it is in our best interest to
start looking at how to become more sustainable. We know that already. But as a
fuel source, if I can burn something that we can make here or send something
through the fuel cell that we can make here, we're not relying on shipping
anything in here to run our mass transit as a start.
I see this as a first step and I know we're you know some of the members here.
Tim Richards has been on this as well. We would like to see this movement.
And given that we're in the middle of our RFP process, make the shift now. It's
coming. No matter if we like it or not, it's sitting there, it's waiting, and it's very
sustainable and it's green. And when you burn it or use it, how do you tell when
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it becomes water, and it's hard to argue with. So can we please make that shift in
some of these RFP processes? If you already have them out for the grants, okay,
that's done, I get that. But given that the RFP's went out, you didn't specify
whether it had to be diesel gas or electric or hydrogen. We're sitting on a
possible $423 million grant. Even if the buses are more, we're taking a step
towards being more renewable and more sustainable as an island and as a County.
I see a lot of positives lined up, and it may be uncomfortable. And I keep saying
this, it's going to be uncomfortable. There's going to be a learning curve, but I'm
willing to take that on because it's going to allow us to shine in the end. We go to
the Big Island, we burn and we use hydrogen to power our vehicles. We stopped
using diesel. We made the change. That's who we are. So again, can we make
the shift? Even though it's uncomfortable. And can I help you, if it's something
that's giving you a headache?
MS. CARREIRA: Okay, for the infrastructure, what happens is that we have to
build it. Build certain things in our baseyard, okay. I think the amount was either
$2-$2.5 million, okay. We don't have a federal grant for infrastructure, so that
would mean using the GET funds for doing the entire—see the facility in Kona
maybe can do the smaller vehicles, but if you're talking about big buses that are
going to need more, we're going to have to do the infrastructure here. Yeah. So,
if you guys are telling me to use the GET funds for that rather than acquiring
other buses, or you know, that's going to be part of that.
One, we have to build the infrastructure first. Now, on the $423 million, if we
find out, then I hope they would give us something. I don't have any problems
asking for some hydrogen buses there. And hopefully they're going to give us,
because I'm just going there, any kind of grant that we can get money. Like I said
that cannot be used for infrastructure, but that would mean taking funds from
someplace else that we normally would use for other things to build
infrastructure.
Then again, I've got to sit down with Riley and Mitch as to how much this is all
going to cost. And then even trying to build it. The process is going to be an
issue. So, I believe eventually we were going to do the hydrogen infrastructure.
We're also looking at electric. You know, it's really hard to determine which way
it is, so if I can do that if we get the funding for buying new hydrogens with that
new grant that I just put in last month. That I can commit to buying some other
hydrogens because that one we cannot retrofit. Those monies are for new
vehicles and stuff We cannot use the money to retrofit our current vehicles.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: From the GE or just in general?
MS. CARREIRA: That grant and the other Federal—we just can't, yeah.
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MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Well, to me, if we're looking to buying new
engines for old diesel buses anyway—to retrofit.
MS. CARREIRA: Yeah, see some of them, we already put in for three. Three
engines I had to buy, because usually you should have done it 500,000 miles. But
we even questioned those kind of stuff, but at this point I have to do it because
when we finally get the Hele On contract awarded, we have to have 20 vehicles
available here for us to do our part, so we're moving in that—we're trying to do
that.
And so, it's just the process might take a long time because it's taking about eight
months to get the Hele On contract and we still haven't been awarded it yet. It
just moves really slow. So that we can do and I can talk to my mechanics. But
basically, any kind of infrastructure, any kind of retrofitting is either going to
come out of our parts budget or our GET budget, which cannot be used for
anything else. It's hard for me, $1 million a pop for a new bus. That's a lot of
money, you know, but the GET funds is great, I'm glad we have it but it's not
infinite. So, I'm really relying on this other stuff
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I agree I don't want to drain our GE
resources, but I do want to make good decisions for the future. Also, given how
we've spent money so far and what I've watched, a $2.5 million infrastructure
project that allows us to run a fleet on hydrogen, that can be not just buses, that
could be County vehicles. That can also apply to larger vehicles, especially if
we're talking how we transport our rubbish, our waste from Hilo to Kona, and
back and forth again.
We have some dilemmas we're going to be faced with in the future, and again
you're looking at climate change, and you start talking about what's worth it or
not. I think we're beyond the kind of thought of whether it's worth it. It is worth
it and we need to make the change, and I'm going to keep saying the same thing.
So this would come down to more of an Administrative—and I think all of us
actually working together to see how we're going to shift and move into the
future. But I just want to make sure that we're thinking of that before we start
buying new things.
MS. CARREIRA: I have a question because a lot of times, we as the
Administration, we've been looking at electric, because the electric we can get
buses faster and it's quicker. So by this resolution are you asking us not to do
electric, that we totally do hydrogen?
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Well, the previous communication attached
to this, it just says alternative energy, high -efficiency energy vehicles. So you can
do both, but there is an infrastructure cost that comes with both. For the batteries,
we need charging stations. For the batteries, it's a longer overnight charge and
it's a heavy drain, and again we're talking about pulling energy from the grid. It's
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going to be at night, which is good, that's TOU (time of use) it's cheaper, but is it
the right step? I don't know, I couldn't tell you, but just from watching the
different fuel sources available to us and what's coming, and I've been asking this
question, "Are we going to step over electric and into hydrogen? Is that the move
that we're going to make?" Is that the move, you know, on a global scale that's
going to happen? Given the technology and given how we move, I don't know,
but that is an interesting question.
MS. CARREIRA: Because you know, we can probably get the electric faster, but
like again, I haven't seen that that works since I've started. So that's why I've
been very wary about things because I'm going to be held responsible for what
happens as Administration because I know you guys will hold me responsible.
But, that's why I'm saying, if this is where Council wants to go and you're asking
me to do that, then if I do that and something happens, I don't want to be held
responsible. I'm just going to say that because I've been in front of the Council
and you know, we've had to deal with a lot of things and I'm still continuing to
fix things, you know. So this is different. If that's where you guys want to go as
a Council, then it's on you. It's not on me.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Very good point. I will stand with you. I'll
stand on that side of the table if you want me to. You know, we can hold hands
and we can go—and I'll stand with you on that. I cannot speak for the rest of the
Council, but that is where I'm headed, and that is what I'd like to see. And Riley,
I see you in Kona. Do you have any input about what we're talking about?
Thank you for joining us.
(Note: At this time, Energy Specialist Riley Saito came forward to
address the members of the Committee.)
MR. SAITO: Yeah, you know, the mandates for clean vehicles, greenhouse gas
reduction and all that, there's the electric vehicle is one zero emission vehicle.
There's other potential, you know, the bridge between the hydrogen and electric.
Definitely we want to reduce diesel -fired buses and vehicles.
There's three ways to do that. Currently is through EV's (Electric Vehicles);
through what is called clean natural gas, and we don't have any clean natural gas
on this island. But we do have technology that can clean the West Hawaii
Sanitary Landfill that can clean the methane that we currently flare. And we can
also look at hydrogen. Using that energy to take us to hydrogen.
So if you take the clean natural gas vehicle, what is does it replaces the gasoline
with clean natural gas. So you still have an internal combustion engine. In other
words, how diesel -fired vehicles work, the carburetor actually gasifies the liquid
gasoline. In the case of clean natural gas, there's also that the gas is in gas format,
and so the carburetor, you tweak that and it can actually fire off in the cylinder,
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the gas provided. So that's another alternative which could be a bridge
technology as we get more comfortable with hydrogen as we take a strong look at
EV's and where and how they can best be used.
The clean natural gas could be that bridge technology in which you convert diesel
fired vehicles to run on clean natural gas. And this is, believe me, a process. And
there is—you know, Brenda we talked about this on Friday, there is a County, it's
called Sunland County in California that is actually converting to 100 percent
hydrogen. They're moving toward, they've been in it for about three, four years I
believe. Yeah, I just checked my phone, the actual website for the Mass Transit
Agency. And so, you know, it might be worthwhile dialoging with them and
getting to download their experience. But from what I understood, I saw them at
a Webinar, and they are totally 100 percent believing that hydrogen is the way to
go for their County.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Riley. Wil?
MR. OKABE: Yeah. Councilman, I do understand the Council's excitement
about the hydrogen, and there's no question that the Administration is for that
particular technology. But I think at this time and what Brenda was saying is that
right now we're looking for balance. We don't have the infrastructure, as she
mentioned, for hydrogen for a wide scale, but we will take your consideration in
regards to trying to look at an opportunity to retrofit some of the buses so that we
can address the concerns of the Council.
We understand the electric buses are also one of the ways to go. But even in that
sense like you mentioned, there is no infrastructure in regards to charging the
batteries, just like this. So, I think having the discussion with the Transit
Administrator, Brenda, talking about the opportunity for Hawaii County to be,
like you mentioned earlier, to be the trendsetter; to be the first one in the State to
go in this direction. Something that we want to strive for as a whole. But I think
right now because we don't have that opportunity to train the mechanics, we don't
have that opportunity to know how much resources of the hydrogen—to be able
to effectively know how much buses can be run by the amount of hydrogen that
NELHA has, you know.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Like you need three buses at
200 miles per bus.
MR. OKABE: Yeah, so she's talking about, you know, possibly the long runs to
the Kona area; in regards to the Hilo area or downtown Kona, or something like
that. You know, we might have to look at some kind of electrical bus to look at
that situation of not using fossil fuels. But, it's a paradigm shift for the whole
County. It doesn't only affect the transit system, it affects all the County vehicles
that we have. Right now we only have several vehicles that have full electric, as
you can see out there.
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So, our whole island or whole society, we have to change the way we think about
energy. Whether it's electrical, whether it's hydrogen, and that's going to be a
big paradigm shift for the whole County to do that. And I think what you're
trying to touch on is that this is one of the ways that we can start to do that with
the dialogue with the State, to try to make sure that we have that impetus in trying
to switch over to this technology.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I agree. I'm looking for us to be the
trendsetters. I know that the State has already been doing legislation and kind of
setting a platform for us to stand on when we go to make these shifts. And I can
see it. I know the infrastructure has beenI mean it's working and they're ready
and they can do enough hydrogen for three buses at 200 miles per bus. We have
one, maybe two coming. And if we have more, then it works, then the next step
would be the infrastructure. So, it is going to be a paradigm shift, and I think we
need to get ahead of it, not kind of wait for it and see what's going to happen if it
does work. To me that's an older question. It does work. Okay, it's working.
CHR. LEE LOY: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I know, I'm sorry.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, if you don't mind summarizing, we have others
that want to jump in the conversation.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I yield for now. And if I have any questions
I'll come back, but I'll hand it off to whoever else who has comments. Thank
you.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. I did see Mr. Richards'
light on, and then I saw Ms. Poindexter. So, Mr. Richards.
MR. RICHARDS: Thank you Chair. And first of all, I'll start by saying, thanks
Matt for bringing this forward. The intent and direction is accurate. Matt and I sit
on the—or Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder and I sit on the Ag, Water, Energy, and
Environmental Management. And this all is a blending together of what we're
talking about. 2045 we are supposed to have renewable energy, and I embrace
Mr. Kanealii-Kleinfelder for pushing the issue.
That being said, I can tell Brenda comes from private industry and not from
Government. Because when we ask her to do something, until she has the facts,
she's afraid to make a commitment. And afraid is not the right word, but cautious
in making a commitment. And I hear you Brenda.
I am very excited about hydrogen. It's been a talk -story for some time now.
Also, about the electrification of the fleet. And when I say the fleet, Mass Transit
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yes; the County fleets as a whole. Looking forward to going forward on that.
And the word I was going to use, Wil you embraced it already; Matt you grabbed
it. It's a paradigm shift, and it's easy to do nothing. It's hard to make a shift, and
that's where we're going to have to go, we're going to have to make a shift.
Concerning, and I was mindful, I'll bring this up in a second, but we have a BYD
bus here now. We don't have the charging station put in. A question for you
Brenda, how come? Why haven't we gotten to that stage yet? And I'll ask you to
respond to that right now.
MS. CARREIRA: Okay, with that electric bus, and I've been in conversation
with Justin Scalvy from BYD, that's their bus. They have a portable charging
station, it's a battery or something that they would be willing to do that, and then
we could get it running. As far as the charging station, again that's infrastructure.
We'd have to bring in, I don't know, Riley might help me. I don't know if it's a
380 -line or whatever? From the road to the baseyard to get the charging stations.
The other thing with electric, it's not just here at the baseyard. We would need it
around the island. Several, yeah.
MR. RICHARDS: No, I got that part, but I'm talking about the one demo -bus
here in town. What's it going to take to get that going? And part of what
Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder is talking about is this is demonstration actually, and
Big Island is a show -me island. We can't just embrace something, we've got to
know how it work. That's why BYD brought the bus to us, and said, okay try it.
We know that that's not going to be a primary over the Saddle Road. But around
town, it may be a real good solution for us.
I don't think we're going to have a bus. I think we're going to have a portfolio of
different buses as we shift. We start with diesel and we're going to be shifting to
a cleaner energy. But, we're going to have diesel around for a while. When I was
going to bring that up, is tomorrow we're going to be accepting or soon we're
going to be accepting a new fire truck that runs on diesel. And we are going to be
transitioning to other energy sources, but we can't forget we're still going to need
some of the older technologies coming forward. But we're not going to shift
unless we push hard and that's why I appreciate Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder is
pushing, because we've got to start making the shift.
And with that, we need to get that electric bus, the BYD bus working. So I'm
going to ask again, what's it going to take to get that infrastructure put in place?
Matt has pointed out, we have a hydrogen infrastructure in place for the
demonstration and that's what we need to get done. And yes, we're going to need
to build stations if we embrace, and we're probably are going to embrace this.
But for the short term we have the stuff here now. NELHA has it here and now
they have transport units here and now, so we can get that done, but we're going
to make this shift. So like I said, I fully—way to go, Matt. Good call on this.
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But I hear what you're saying Brenda, because you don't want to overpromise and
under -deliver. That's not a good thing. And there's been no one more critical of
Mass Transit than me. But like I said, I think we've got somebody here that is
actually going to be able to embrace this but we're going to push you.
However, I will stand with Matt on that side of the table and help support going
forward. And we're going to ask things. And yes, if we as Council ask you to do
something, we as Council are asking you to try and embrace something. And I
have repeatedly said, how many broken buses do we have? What is actually
running? Get your contracts set straight, so we save some money, and then start
embracing this new technology. And that's what we are asking as Council, and
we need to do this and need to move the agenda going forward. So thank you
Matt for bringing this forward.
Brenda I do want to know, how is it we're going to get this BYD bus running?
I'm asking as an energy guy and asking Mass Transit, because this is something
we as a community County have to embrace. So with that, I'm going to yield. I
would like a response Chair.
MS. CARREIRA: On the electric, I guess what the problem was is the bus
doesn't belong to us because the issue was insurance. If it's on the road, it
actually doesn't belong to us so we cannot insure it. If something happens on the
road you know, if the drivers do it. So that's something we're going to work on
probably with Finance. And I think the BYD was willing to replace batteries, and
you know, those kind of—so it's not an issue there. But, the insurance because
it's not ours we can't repair it. Our mechanics can't either. It is sitting in our
baseyard, questionable whether it should, but it is and it's not bothering anybody.
But that's one of the big reasons, put it on the road, but none of our employees, if
you could say would be able to drive it without being insured.
MR. RICHARDS: Real quick, can I ask that Ag, Water, Energy, and Mass
Transit get together, talk story and figure out how we can do this and craft
something with BYD? So can I ask that we get together and get that done?
Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, we got it? Okay. Brenda we'll take that on and get
back at you. Thanks, I yield.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you Mr. Richards. Ms. Poindexter, go ahead.
MS. POINDEXTER: Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. Broken buses. The reason
for so many broken buses, and we've got to face it. Our island is unique. We
have the geographical features that no other island has that we travel. We are the
biggest island. All the other islands fit in our island. So when we talk about the
use, the overuse, you know of buses. We try double-deckers, we found out it
didn't work in Hamakua, right. I'm glad we didn't buy ten double-deckers. You
know what I'm saying? So I agree with you Brenda. We need to go with this
wisely.
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We need to make sure that we do the demonstrations and the tests first instead of
going ahead, and you know, retrofitting all the buses in diesel. And then, you
know, it has to be balanced. So I like what you're saying, that we need to do
demonstrations on all what is available on clean energy and figure out how much
of each we need and in what locations. Because the most difficult locationI
mean our island has got to face it, how big our island is.
And Riley I have a question for you, when we talk about Sunland, because we're
trying to compare us with Sunland, if Sunland could do it, why can't we? We
should be the island that is the show -me island, but we're going to be the
show -me island of a lot of broken buses. So I just want to make sure, you know,
that Sunland, what is—how large is that geographical area that they're doing that
transit system?
MR. SAITO: You know I have to go back. You know I heard on a Webinar. I
need to research that further. I found itmy interest in dialoging with them is
actually getting their lessons learned and finding out the failure points and the
corrections of those failure points.
MS. POINDEXTER: That's awesome that you're checking with them, but I
would really encourage us before we do comparables to make sure that they're
comparable to our island. So, when I'm looking at just a small portion, a
community profile of Sunland-Tujunga, I know. It says approximately 12 square
miles in just that small area. Then I looked at Sunland, population 15,000, that's
without Shadow Hills. But what I'm concerned about is, what are their
geographical features, and can we find a county that has similar geographical
features that we can do comparables with?
So even before we do the demonstrations, is looking out there, who has done
these demonstrations and what type of geographical features are they using.
Because we can say that we want the hydrogen and yet if they're too big, the
buses, we might have to get these small vans and start running like how we did
van -pool back in the day when we were running to the hotels using van -pool. I
don't know, maybe you have to use small vehicles.
So I like your way of thinking that we need to make sure that we do our
demonstrations first and study which ones should be in which areas of the island
and which would work and which wouldn't. Because we're going to be spending
a lot of money. And the GET, I don't want to see all of that go to Mass Transit,
because you know, I've been telling people in my community and every other
community when I talked to people, I voted to increase that GET. And the reason
was to help with the road issues as well. So we have a lot of road issues. So I
don't want you sucking it all up, you know. So, not that I would love to see Mass
Transit operate the way it needs to, but we need to be balanced when we distribute
our GET as well.
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You know, we need to address—no sense get buses if our roads are going to bust
it up. So we just need to be balanced, and I agree. So thank you Matt for
bringing this forward because I know we need to push the bar, but we need to be
careful in how we push that bar, yeah? We got to look at that unintended
consequences as well.
So I like what you're saying, and Brenda I trust you, I really do. I've said that
before. And I trust you because I see what you're looking at, your Master Plan.
And it's not the Master Plan that is going to be there, just like that. It'll be
tweaked if you need to tweak it. I know that, and you've talked about that as
well. So I trust you. I trust that with what the Council is saying, and this is a
resolution, so it's a strong suggestion. So think that even if the resolution passes,
it's not law that you do it. It's a strong suggestion that you can take into account
all of the things that you're hearing from us here on the Council. So thank you,
but thank you for all you do and thank you for, a lot of times, putting up with us
too. So, yeah, I'll yield at this time, Madam Chair. Thank you.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Ms. Poindexter. Ms. David.
MS. DAVID: Mahalo, Chair. Aloha Ms. Carreira and Managing Director.
Thank you for your explanation because I know this is a great idea, but great ideas
are just what it is. But the details lie in creating the method to make it work. So I
totally respect your expertise and advice. Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder is a
forward -thinking Council Member and a person that's very, very concerned about
our island and it's environment. And for that I respect him and I thank him for
moving the bar.
I only have one question, and I really appreciate the fact that we're going to start
considering what he's asking, how we retrofit what we have and all the problems
that go with it. And I appreciate that because I think that's the right path to take.
My only question is the five buses that you said that you were going to, thinking
of retrofitting at $50,000 each? And that has to go through procurement and that
whole process also, right? So those are for the five retrofits. How much time
from procurement to, you know, installation? I'm just trying to visualize how fast
we can move on getting just the five at this time.
MS. CARREIRA: Also first, I'm not really sure how much it costs to retrofit.
The $50,000 was on the diesel. Sorry, I'm not sure Riley. I think I asked Riley,
I'm not sure if he knows what it is.
MS. DAVID: Approximate.
MS. CARREIRA: Okay, so, knowing the procurement system that I've been,
well everybody does, might be five to six months, for—you know, we can't do
much.
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MS. DAVID: I see. Before you can actually start something?
MS. CARREIRA: If it's earlier than that, well, I'd be surprised. But you know,
within a year.
MS. DAVID: Within six months or so.
MS. CARREIRA: But, we would start the hydrogen though before that.
MS. DAVID: Exactly.
MS. CARREIRA: The ones that come to us, we definitely would do that.
MS. DAVID: Because I know you have so many different parts, yeah, to this.
And I'm just thinking about the five that you mentioned.
MS. CARREIRA: That's what I think, because that's kind of averaging out. For
us a lot of the things are parts. You know just getting parts and stuff, but you
know, we have an excellent team. Riley Saito has just been wonderful and Mitch,
and they're going to continue to be helpful, as well as the Council. So, we're
going to do whatever we can to move.
MS. DAVID: So I think if we can get the hydrogen plus this retrofitting, at least
start somewhere within the next six months or so, I think we'll really appreciate
that.
MS. CARREIRA: I would get in touch with that California company, you know,
with Riley, because Riley's working on some other things.
MS. DAVID: And thank you to Council Member Richards and
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder to help you folks try to figure this out. Okay, I yield.
Mahalo.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you Ms. David. Ms. Eoff, go ahead.
MS. EOFF: Thank you Madam Chair. So the discussion is really good and it's
good to consider all of these particular situations that we will face. But I think
this resolution just says urging us to acquire hydrogen buses, which it doesn't say
how many or when or, you know, anything like that. So I think we can all support
this because it still keeps moving us towards our goal that I think we need to
reach.
But I just wanted to thank Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, and thank you guys for
considering this seriously, and I think with what we learned from Research and
Development and U.H., I think it was in our last meeting. It's very positive and
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the momentum out there for hydrogen and for developing the stations, which like
you said, we could start with the NELHA experimental station and run some
buses. And you know, find out the outcomes, and that will keep driving us
forward. So I want to support this whole-heartedly. Thank you.
CHR. LEE LOY: Chair Chung, please.
MR. CHUNG: Oh, thank you. Yeah, and certainly I'm going to be supporting
this. You know, the last time we had the presentation, Matt was really excited
and this is a follow-through. And I credit him as well as Tim and their efforts in
that regard. But you know, really I have to echo some of the sentiments
expressed over here. I wasn't here when Ms. Poindexter completed her talk. I
left for a little while, but you know, she really raised some good points.
I mean this is the smart direction to go, but for it to be completely smart we've got
to be responsible too. And it's—you know, we shouldn't just dive in headfirst
into anything. I mean for example if we were talking about civil rights or
something like that, yeah we can be the leader, because those things are all self-
evident right? But when we're talking about technology, we have to be very
careful, right? What I would suggest though is, you know, we were talking about
SunLine or something, Riley? What's the name?
MR. SAITO: Yes, SunLine.
CHR. CHUNG: SunLine, yeah. I would say, you and Matt, go check it out. Talk
to the people over there. See what the landscape is. California has a lot of flat
land, yeah? But, and I know you're going to do these test runs up Kawaihae
Road. But another thing about it is this, nothing in here is requiring you guys to
do something. It's just urging you to do things. And we're expecting you to take
the spirit of this resolution to heart. And of course, to do the responsible
investigations as to whether this thing can work.
Maybe you could implement a hybrid of using some hydrogen buses on flat areas,
and then continue to go with, you know, more efficient vehicles when you have to
travel inclines. But anything's possible, but I strongly urge you guys, you and
Matt, really to go check that out. Yeah, that's all I've got to say. I support it.
Thank you.
CHR. LEE LOY: Ms. Kierkiewicz, please.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you Chair. Thank you Brenda for your very
methodical approach in wanting to be very cognizant of the fact that the GET
money is not an infinite pot that we have forever. And you're doing your best to
stand up a sorely needed reliable Mass Transit system.
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Well, I'm wondering if it's possible in the next few months, say three months. Is
that realistic to come back to the Council and present to us a few pilot projects
that involve utilization of hydrogen, but also electric buses. And I say that
because the resolution that Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder shared with us regarding
energy efficient vehicles was from 2006. That's 13 years ago. I don't want to be
here 13 years from now wondering why no additional movement has taken place
in this arena. So Wil, is that something that the Administration would be willing
to do? It seems to me that you were embracing the idea of the fact that we need to
move towards a more renewable and sustainable energy future. And I think this
would make us feel a lot more comfortable knowing that you've taken this to
heart and are taking some meaningful steps towards implementation.
MR. OKABE: This resolution would definitely give us the impetus to understand
the direction of where the Council is going. So, it's not something that the Transit
Administrator has not been considering from the very start. But this just gives us
more opportunity to know exactly what you're thinking about. And it gives us a
start to kind of head down this road with the support. And I think that Brenda
definitely needs the support as we look into this type of technology.
We're not going to wait 13 years to do this. We're going to be starting this
particular program within this year, and I know that she has the commitment.
We've been meeting a lot in regards to these types of technologies. And basically
knowing that the Council is going to support this initiative, it definitely gives us
the green light to move ahead.
MS. CARREIRA: So the three months will be fine. I know I'm back in front of
the Council on July 23rd, so maybe three months from then? If that's acceptable.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Okay, I'll submit a communication, and then we can nail
down a date. Yeah, I certainly don't want you to pull the plug on all of the hard
work you've been doing to implement the Mass Transit Master Plan, but I want to
make sure that we're working in parallel on all these different fronts. And if you
can just come up with some suggestions for different communities and utilization
of those various technologies. That would be awesome, because then we can
figure out, do we need to massage the Master Plan and incorporate these new
ideas.
MS. CARREIRA: Yeah, so I know with the Mass Transit Plan, I think it's four
buses a year. But I know I've accelerated that, you know, when the going is
good. I was going to say also with the electric, because of the range and stuff,
whatever electric we were going to have I was planning to use them in Hilo for
now. Going to South Kohala was not an option at that time, and because with the
new Hele On contract, County vehicles would not be used on most of the West
Hawaii side. So I would have no problems, you know, doing it here in Hilo and
stuff, but yeah, no problem. Thank you.
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MR. OKABE: And I think we need to look at, you know, some of the things that
you brought up. Sometimes we think about buses, the 40 -foot bus. The big bus,
but we might have to look at those smaller buses. You know, and try to test those
out to see how efficient that is too before we make a commitment to, you know,
ten 40 -foot buses. You know what I mean? So we can try to look at that and try
to retrofit the ones that we do have in regards to what you're saying.
MS. CARREIRA: Yeah, the two hydrogens are 25 -seaters, so they're considered
mini -buses, so that's a good place to start.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thanks, you guys. Madam Chair, I yield.
CHR. LEE LOY: I see Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder's light on, but before we go any
further, in the effort of time because we have one more committee, I think
Mr. Richards touched upon it. You know, this is such a ripe conversation and
very robust. And we have to look at all the different pieces.
Ms. Carreira just touched upon it. I have a communication coming forward at our
next meeting to specifically talk about infrastructure, training, and equipment.
Aside from just purchasing the buses, we also need to look at the training for our
mechanics. We also need to look at the bus baseyard and if it can actually
manage these new equipment purchases. And then even towing equipment.
So this is a really complex multi -pronged conversation that we have to have.
Unfortunately, we have to do it under the shadow, or under the umbrella of the
Sunshine Law. So with that, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, if you don't mind
wrapping us up and taking us home.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, at this time, my final comment is, I
had epiphany a while back just thinking about PGV (Puna Geothermal Venture),
and solar and fossil fuels. A lot of arguments about not doing things or why we
shouldn't. But I just realized one night as I was driving home, what we don't see
on the back end of fossil fuels that we're very kind of distant from what it takes to
get it out of the ground.
What kind of headache that's causing for other places in the world that we never
see. How much it takes to get here; what we do when it gets here finally, and then
what comes out of our tailpipes and our generators and our power stations when
we burn it. And if you wrap your head around that and really think about what's
involved in that process versus alternatives that we have, climate change and
everything else we talk about and that we do every day, we have to make the
switch. The more we sit and we think about, and we waitI understand the
hesitancy and I understand it's uncomfortable, but the more we sit and hesitate
and think about it, I do like to err on the side of caution. I do like to be cautious,
but sometimes you've got to make that leap of faith, and you have to look at
what's going on in the world too.
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And that epiphany just really drove me to start pushing the way I have been
because we don't see it. We don't see the drilling. We don't deal with places like
Flint Michigan. We don't have anything in our water blowing up or there's no
flammable water in the County of Hawaii. We're not dealing with fracking over
here. But Exxon Valdez, you know, there's a lot of things in the world that have
happened that really highlight why this change needs to happen. So there is cost
in not doing this as well. So I'm going to leave it with that. Thank you, and I
appreciate your time. And then actually, Riley, do we have a cost on a retrofit for
a fuel cell?
MR. SAITO: It was more along $400,000.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: For one?
MR. SAITO: Yes. Because you're gutting everything, the transmission, the
engine, all the—if you think of a fossil fuel vehicle it has a lot of liquids and
lubricant and transmission oil. Your radiator, your engine oil, all those things.
All those pieces need to get removed along with the drivetrain and transmission.
So, you're really gutting not only the engine, but everything that drives the bus.
So, almost everything connected to the chasse gets changed.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, so retrofits may not be the best,
although that's cheaper than a new bus.
MR. SAITO: You know, but we're getting numbers without any commitment and
they're ballpark. We ask for conservative, you know, if we move through
something like an RFP, we get clear—and we specify the scope. We have the
scope. These are things we're working on right now. Because, you know, we put
out the RFP, but we want to make sure we have a good quality scope and
requirements for the vendor to deliver. And you know, with that I would think we
would get better pricing. Because what we're getting is ballpark pricing,
conservative, grant -driven. And anytime you say grant -driven, they're definitely
not going to sharpen their pencil.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay that we'll have another discussion on.
That was a bigger number than I thought.
MR. SAITO: And we're moving all of these parts together, but I want to thank
the Council for their support. You know, it's very important that we work as a
team, as a community, in order to change how we power this island.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Riley. I yield.
CHR. LEE LOY: Thank you, Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder. You know it was a
great conversation. Clearly there needs to be more conversation, and a lot of
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moving pieces. And I suspect there'll be a few more communications coming
forward. And like I mentioned last time, a possible ad hoc committee. Alright.
With that we have Resolution 205-19 with a favorable recommendation to
Council. All those in favor please say, "aye."
Vote on Res. 205-19: The motion to recommend adoption of Res. 205-19 was
(Approved) carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Eoff,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Poindexter,
Richards, Villegas, and Chair Lee Loy—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
BILLS FOR The Chair directed the Committee to proceed to the next order of business, Bills
ORDINANCES: for Ordinances.
(There were none.)
CHR. LEE LOY: I believe that's the end of our agenda.
ADJOURN- There being no further business, at 10:15 a.m., Ms. Eoff moved to adjourn the
MENT: meeting. Seconded by Ms. David and carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Committee Members Chung, David, Eoff,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Poindexter,
Richards, Villegas, and Chair Lee Loy—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
CHR. LEE LOY: Public Works and Mass Transit is adjourned.
Approved:
.4116
ice L. K. Lee Loy, Chai (Date)
Pus is orks and Mass Transit Committee
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