HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN COUNCIL 2019-11-20 2018-2020 Hawaii County Council
261h Session
West Hawaii Civic Center
74-5044 Ane Keohokalole Highway, Building A
Kailua-Kona, Hawaii
November 20, 2019
INVOCATION: Pastor Eric Rasmussen of Bible First Mission Church gave the morning's
invocation.
CALL TO The regular meeting of the Hawaii County Council was called to order at
ORDER: 9:08 a.m., in the Council Chambers, Kailua-Kona, by Ms. Karen Eoff, Acting
Chair.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Mr. Aaron S. Y. Chung, Chair
Ms. Karen Eoff, Vice Chair
Ms. Maile Medeiros David, Member
Mr. Matt Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Member (came in later)
Ms. Ashley L. Kierkiewicz, Member
Ms. Susan L. K. Lee Loy, Member
Ms. Valerie T. Poindexter, Member
Mr. Herbert M. "Tim" Richards, III, Member
Ms. Rebecca Villegas, Member
PLEDGE OF Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to the next order of business, Pledge of
ALLEGIANCE: Allegiance.
(At this time, Ms. David led the Council in the Pledge of
Allegiance.)
PETITIONS, Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
MEMORIALS, Petitions, Memorials, Certificates of Merit, and Expressions of Condolence.
CERTIFICATES
OF MERIT, AND (There were none.)
EXPRESSIONS OF
CONDOLENCE:
STATEMENTS Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
FROM THE Statements from the Public on Agenda Items.
PUBLIC ON
AGENDA ITEMS: The following individuals registered to speak and came forward when called by
Acting Chair Eoff-
Hawaii County Council-26 November 20,2019
Misha Kassel: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Joe Kassel: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Cory Harden: Res. 301-19, Draft 2 (Comm. 462.12), in opposition; and
Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Ken Ogawa: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in opposition.
Geoffrey Last: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Jon Olson: Res. 301-19, Draft 2 (Comm. 462.12), comment; and
Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Koohan Paik-Mander: Res. 301-19, Draft 2 (Comm. 462.12); and
Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Lucinda Moran: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Maya Parish: Res. 301-19, Draft 2 (Comm. 462.12), in opposition; and
Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Mark LeRoy: Res. 301-19, Draft 2 (Comm. 462.12), in opposition;
Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support; and
Bill 108 (Comm. 524), in support.
Shannon Rudolph: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Sharon Willeford: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Justin Campbell: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in opposition.
Dwight J. Vicente: Res. 301-19, Draft 2 (Comm. 462.12); and
Bill 111 (Comm. 545), comment.
Rene Siracusa: Res. 393-19 (Comm. 592), in support.
(representing
Malama `O Puna)
Suzi Bond: Res. 398-19 (Comm. 598), in support.
(representing Hawaii
County Citizens Corps)
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Topher Dean: Res. 301-19, Draft 2 (Comm. 462.12), in opposition; and
(representing Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Environmental Caucus
Democrats)
Lisa Andrews: Res. 301-19, Draft 2 (Comm. 462.12), in opposition; and
Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Keone Mackillop: Res. 301-19, Draft 2 (Comm. 462.12), in opposition; and
(representing Maika`i Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Kamakani `O Kohala
Incorporated)
Laryssa Kwoczak: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
(representing
West Hawaii Bee
Association)
Autumn Ness: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
(representing Beyond
Pesticides)
Thong Teng Neo: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in opposition.
(representing Hawaii
Tropical Flower Council)
Eric Tanouye: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in opposition.
(representing Hawaii
Floriculture and Nursery
Association, and Greenpoint Nursery)
Yvonne Leiser: Res. 301-19, Draft 2 (Comm. 462.12), in opposition; and
Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Stephen Rodgers: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Gary Hooser: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Jon Tanouye: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in opposition.
(representing Orchid
Growers of Hawaii)
Harry Holm: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
(representing Big Island
Beekeepers Association)
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Colehour Bondera: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Stephen Tarnas: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Brandon Young: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Janice Ikeda: Res. 396-19 (Comm. 595); and
(representing Vibrant Res. 399-19 (Comm. 599), in support.
Hawaii)
Moriah Smith Kramer: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Kailin Kim: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
(representing Ho`61a
Honey Bee Relocation)
Brent Kanesako: Res. 396-19 (Comm. 595); and
(representing Hawaii Res. 399-19 (Comm. 599), in support.
Alliance for Community-
Based Economic
Development)
Abolghassem Abraham Bill 106, Draft 2 (Comm. 522.2);
Sadegh: Public Safety Committee Report No. 10 (Comm. 548); and
Public Safety Committee Report No. 11 (Comm. 549),
in support.
Christopher Criesser: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Lorie Ferrell: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in opposition.
(representing Hawaii
Farmers and Ranchers
United)
Stafford Lombard: Res. 301-19, Draft 2 (Comm. 462.12), in support.
Shannon Matson: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Toby S. Hazel: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), comment.
Kirsten Snook: Res. 393-19 (Comm. 592);
(representing Res. 394-19 (Comm. 593); and
Dr. Susan Jarvi) Res. 395-19 (Comm. 594), in support.
Jennifer Bach: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
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Ernest Sittig: Bill 101, Draft 2 (Comm. 489.338), in support.
Recess: At 11:40 a.m., the Acting Chair called for a recess.
Reconvene: The meeting reconvened at 11:52 a.m.
APPROVAL The Acting Chair directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
OF MINUTES: Approval of Minutes.
(There were none.)
Change Order As directed by Acting Chair Eoff and with no objection from the Council
of Business: Members, the following item was taken out of order:
Bill 101: AMENDS CHAPTER 14, HAWAII COUNTY CODE 1983 (2016 EDITION, AS
(Draft 2) AMENDED), BY ADDING A NEW ARTICLE 24, RELATING TO HERBICIDE
USE
Prohibits the use of certain herbicides on County owned or maintained parks and
alongside County roads, bikeways, sidewalks, trails, drainageways, and
waterways; and creates a transition committee to research and develop alternative
methods of vegetation management. The ban will take effect on January 1, 2024.
Reference: Comm. 489.338
Intr. by: Ms. Villegas
First Reading: November 6, 2019
Note: The following from Council Member Herbert M. "Tim" Richards, III, dated
November 13, 2019, were circulated:
Comm. 489.339 transmitting a PowerPoint presentation;
Comm. 489.340 transmitting a letter from California Invasive Plant Council to the
County of Ventura;
Comm. 489.341 transmitting a United States Environmental Protection Agency
news press release; and
Comm. 489.342 transmitting a document entitled "Herbicide Alternatives
Research"; and
The following from Council Member Rebecca Villegas were also circulated:
Comm. 489.343, dated November 19, 2019, transmitting an article from
West Hawaii Today; and
Comm. 489.400, dated November 20, 2019, transmitting testimony and an
informational packet from Autumn Ness of Beyond Pesticides.
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Motion to Approve: Ms. Villegas moved to pass Bill 101, Draft 2, on second
and final reading. Seconded by Ms. David.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Ms. Villegas, I'll give you the floor.
MS. VILLEGAS: Aloha and thank you to everyone who showed up today to speak
their truth, even for those that spoke in opposition of Bill 101. I respect each and
every person's opportunity to decide for themselves what they want to be exposed
to, which brings me to the intention of the bill, which is the County taking
responsibility and recognizing it as our kuleana to listen to the people of our County
and their desires and what they want to be exposed to. The risks outweigh the
rewards. We're transitioning to another time.
I'm going to try not to get emotional. It's something so much bigger than myself.
It's taken so many years of hard work, dedication, and commitment by hundreds if
not thousands of people, by companies and nonprofits and governments,
municipalities all over the country and the world to start recognizing the paradigm
that we've created for ourselves based on profit margins and corporate agendas. Do
not behoove the long-term resiliency of humanity, the species that share this planet
with us, and the earth itself. We had a very intense presentation yesterday by
Dr. Chip Fletcher.
We are in a time of a radical need for kuleana, radical need for aloha `Hina, and
radical need for kapu aloha in how we work with, amongst, and beside one another
on the solutions for the challenges that face us. And I firmly believe that
transitioning away from the utilization of spraying herbicides in our County parks
and roadways and paths is the pono step in that direction right now. There is fear.
There is concern. There is confusion by those that will be called upon to execute
and participate with a hands-on, be part of their daily job to transition this. And I
thank each and every one of them for their courage. Like Dr. Fletcher said, courage
instead of hope. We're taking action, and it is doable. And we're there to support
one another.
And with that, I would like to come up a couple of different people who have flown
in today. And I just have some more specific questions for them because I honor
the concerns that have been brought up by constituents and other members of this
body regarding cost. And I feel very responsible to the constituents and the
taxpayers of this County that we make sure that as we transition, we are managing
the resources that we've been entrusted with in the most responsible way and we're
not jeopardizing our County's budget by transitioning to this. And I believe that
there are a vast number of examples throughout the State and the country and the
world for where this has happened and how it can happen here. And with that, I'd
love to call Mr. Steve Rodgers up, if you'd come up and join us?
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(Note: At this time, Stephen Rodgers, former Maui District Engineer for the
State Highways Division, came forward to address the members of the
Council.)
MS. VILLEGAS: Aloha, Mr. Rodgers. Thanks for coming in from Maui today.
MR. RODGERS: You're welcome.
MS. VILLEGAS: All right. So,just a couple of quick questions. Why did you
decide to stop using glyphosate-based herbicides on State highways on Maui?
MR. RODGERS: Well, I handled the tort claims and formulated the budget
amongst other things, and I was receiving a lot of complaints from a lot of citizens
when we would do our spraying operations. And I felt that it was only a matter of
time before we would be forced to pay a price for that.
In addition to that, there were a lot of people that confronted our spray crews very
negatively, and I really wanted to be out of that controversy. I felt it was bad for
morale and just bad all the way around. In addition to that, it was actually quite an
expensive operation.
MS. VILLEGAS: Yeah, thank you. So, did you find that you ended up having to
spend more or less of your budget on herbicides? How was your budget impacted?
MR. RODGERS: Well, due to the fact that it wasn't just a"stop using herbicides,"
I switched to an organic herbicide called Avenger, which is not perfect but it was
the only one I could find at the time. And I think that's changed.
We also changed how we did it. We changed the strips, the width—the strips we
were mowing to createI got some advice from some biologists to create proper
zones for runoff mitigation, which Maui is under NPDS (National Pollutant
Discharge System)pressure to do now. We changed what we did so that we
MS. VILLEGAS: I'm sorry, can you just tell us what NPDS stands for?
MR. RODGERS: I'm sorry. I used an acronym.
MS. VILLEGAS: No worries.
MR. RODGERS: I violated my own law. Maui is under what's called a small MS4
now, Municipal Separate Storm Sewer System, because the population has risen to
the point where all public entities such as counties, states have to account for the
runoff from their facilities, which is the roads, parking lots. And when you have
runoff, it's deemed an effluent. You have to get a permit, National Pollution
DeductionI can't remember what the acronym means. Anyway, I did not want to
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administer that permit because it's very difficult to do. I would need more staff to
do that. So, we changed our entire manual—Highways did. And I'm trying to get a
copy of it to give to you guys. I don't know how long that will take—which
reduced what you need to do.
And so, not only did we change what we were using, we reduced our need for it.
And I changed some equipment that allowed me to reach over guardrails and do
more remote mowing. I could reach 20 feet with this tool I bought. I bought five of
them. Those kinds of things helped us just not need to do those kinds of practices
anymore.
MS. VILLEGAS: Great. So, did your labor cost go up?
MR. RODGERS: Well, they couldn't because we were not able to add positions,
period. I had to make do with what I had, which I did.
MS. VILLEGAS: Great. Did you have any safety issues develop because you
weren't spraying on the roadways, as far as like sight distance, etcetera?
MR. RODGERS: We had some, and I'm sure some of them are still there,
chronically tough areas. They get a lot of rainfall; they're hard to reach. And those
areas were problems before I started that change and, to some extent, they remained
problems. But did we have any new safety issues? Well, one of the safety issues
we didn't have is employee exposure to Roundup and glyphosate triclopyr. So, I
guess the answer is, no, we didn't.
MS. VILLEGAS: Is there, like, a lesson that you think would be valuable for us as
we look at navigating this transition?
MR. RODGERS: Yes. And that's, I think, it's a process. I heard today that
Roundup and more chemicals are used to control invasive species, which is
incorrect. Because when you kill everything, you're just creating bare ground for
invasive species to thrive in. And so, any change like this has to be a process. If
you're going to remove all the vegetation, find what belongs there, what will thrive
there—it may be a native grass—and put it there. You'll have less maintenance to
do. So, make a process out of it.
MS. VILLEGAS: Thank you so much.
MR. RODGERS: You're welcome.
MS. VILLEGAS: I really appreciate you being here today.
MR. RODGERS: Glad to help.
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MS. VILLEGAS: All right, aloha. Thank you. And I just had a couple of
questions for Autumn Ness. Autumn, would you mind joining us?
(Note: At this time, Autumn Ness, representing Beyond Pesticides, came
forward to address the members of the Council.)
MS. VILLEGAS: You presented us with another great bundle of information. I'll
take overkill this way instead of herbicides. Information is powerful, educational,
and extremely helpful in this capacity. I wanted to ask you a quick question. If you
could respond to the concerns about the drastically increased cost related to the
implementation of Bill 101?
MS. NESS: Sure. I submitted a big packet that probably most of you have. If you
don't, please let me know. I won't go over the whole thing,just I'll hit some bullet
points. First of all, the cost really to hiring a consultant, if this body decides to hire
a separate independent consultant, that is, of course, your choice. I wanted to
remind you that I work for an organization that is offering those services. They are
consultant services, free of charge. They're not free because they're not high
quality. They're free because they're paid for by grants that we help support
nationally and on a State level.
And I want to be also clear that that training will not be done by me. I am not the
expert here. I'm the person that kind of arrange and build those relationships with
people that are much more qualified than myself. We'll be coming to do those
trainings and continue those relationships.
A few of those of the examples are Chip Osborne of Osborne Organics. He is, like,
a national expert. He works on major league fields, high-quality turf areas all
around the country. A gentleman named Duane Sparkman who is a Maui-based
consultant who has brought the west in and a few other properties, you know, four-
and five-star resorts to completely herbicide- and pesticide-free properties with no
cost. Those kinds of people. And I will bring those experts in as you need them.
The expert is not me.
The cost, not to you but the value of the initial training alone is $5,000. Again, that
will cost you guys nothing. We find the funding for you, but that just lets you know
that we are offering these consultant services if you and the departments choose to
use them. What else? I will remind you that we have committed to making
recommendations that fit within the County's current operating budget. That's
really huge. And the way we do thatI included that in this packet—we do a
before-training needs assessment, expectation assessment, and budget review with
the departments. The appendix of this testimony gives you an example of what
pages from the Maui Pacific Report looked like.
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If you look at the appendix, the second pageI apologize; this is a really bad
copy—but this questionnaire is things about, you know, what do you use your fields
for? What is your budget that you currently are operating under for this site?
Those kinds of things. And then when you go beyond that, we talk about cultural
practices that can be funded at what the department currently has in its budget. If
you look at page 12 of my testimony—it says "page 23"because it's page 23 of the
report, but the corner page is 12—it gives you specific calendar months and what
the recommended actions are in each calendar month for that specific site.
If you turn the page, it does—on the very last page it does cost analyses of each of
those products. So, if we're spending, for example, $500 on a nitrogen-based water
soluble fertilizer, we will help you find a way that you can get, for example, a
comparable amount of compost for that same amount of money. And if it's not
available locally, if there's no local compost producer, I will hustle to find you
someone that will deliver it to you. So, that's the services that we're offering.
As far as other municipalities who have done this, if you go back to the second page
of my testimony, I gave you a list. I won't go over all of them. I did bold this one
part in the second bullet point because it is incredibly important and I can't stress
this enough, it says, "It is important to note that every successful program was not a
one-for-one substitute of an organic herbicide for a prohibited herbicide. Any cost
analysis calculation that merely substitutes an organic product for a synthetic
product or hand weeding for synthetic herbicide application will produce an
artificially high cost and will actually be completely ineffective and will probably
fail.
So, if you're saying that we're going to take the exact amount of Roundup that we
buy now and we're going to substitute an organic alternative that's four times the
cost, yes, you will get an artificially inflated cost but that's not what we're talking
about at all. So,just keep that in mind.
I also bolded, for ease of reading, the sections in each of these points that conclude
in each of these municipalities that their costs are the same. There's a Harvard
study here. They converted, and they say their total operating costs are the same as
their conventionally-based programs.
On the third page, New York schools, South Miami. Both of their municipally-
released report say that their costs are not any higher. South Miami, which is very
comparable to our climate, says, "Thus far, this initiative has been a qualified
success, allowing the city to cut down on its waste footprint significantly at
relatively little expense.
Let's see. Irvine City Council. I spoke with the gentleman yesterday, and he has
offered his phone number to anybody in the Parks Department that wants to work
with them, as well as Public Works. He is just giddy that he gets to share the things
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that he's learned. They have an annual report on their city council website. And he
said, "Staff estimates the budget impact for 2018 at approximately 10 percent of the
division's $27 million annual allocation. A large part of the impact is from the
minimum wage increase in the State from $11 to $15 . . . and the higher cost of
organic materials." So, of that 10 percent increase, a large part of it is minimum
wage increases. He estimates it at a 5 to 6 percent increase, but they're a new
program. So, that's upfront costs.
The Maui County Public Works Department, I just spoke to him yesterday.
They've not officially gone a hundred percent herbicide free. It's not codified, but
they are doing it voluntarily. They're at about 90 percent herbicide free right now.
He said his biggest request that he's going to make to the County Council for the
next budget cycle is $100,000 for the next fiscal year to purchase and install
highway-grade weed mats. They're made from recycled rubber. They're not the
weed mats that you use on a farm that disintegrate within a season or two. They
have a life expectancy of about 20 years. So, $100,000, he is going to put his crew
on installing these weed mats under the guardrails fulltime and then they won't
have to go back for, let's say 20 years is a—let's say 10 to be conservative. That's
a long time that money is going to last. I think that might be it.
MS. VILLEGAS: Okay, I have one quick question. Because something that Parks
and Rec. (Recreation) brought up as a potential challenge was how they're going to
train their staff while they're still working, and just any potential conflicts for that.
But I'm assuming that you, having done this with another municipality or with
Maui, that you might have a suggestion or a way that they can still effectively do
that.
MS. NESS: Well, there is, like, half of a day of classroom time where we go over
slides and talk about, really, soil basics. And we do that on Maui. We did that,
actually, in every single park districtsouth, north, west, and central. So, we did
four half-day trainings and then we do site visits. And the site visits, the guys are
actually probably there already. In our case, the guys were there doing their
regularly scheduled maintenance. So, we just showed up, and Chip and Jay and a
few other people gave them alternatives. And then, these recommendations from
the turf report are literally just posted where their other schedule of maintenance
would be. And when there's questions, they have my cellphone, they have Chip's
cellphone, they have our email addresses—we show up. If they're at Simplot and
they don't have the product that they need, we can show up. So, there's that kind of
assistance available.
MS. VILLEGAS: Fantastic. Reading through one of the testimony that came,
there'd been a lot of requests from the invasive species organizations. And we did
make an exemption for the cut-stump application for some invasive species,
potentially the albizia. Can you tell me really quickly, do you know who funds the
Hawaii Invasive Species Council?
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MS. NESS: I don't actually. I'm sorry, no.
MS. VILLEGAS: Okay, no worries. Okay, great. I just had a question about that.
So, does that mean my time's up or hers?
ACTING CHR. EOFF: You can yield and then I can come back to you after we
MS. VILLEGAS: Okay, great. So, I'll go ahead and yield now unless there's
anything Autumn wanted to share before she
MS. NESS: No, that's it for now.
MS. VILLEGAS: No? Okay, great. Thank you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. Other Council Members that would like to
chime in at this point? Mr. Richards.
MR. RICHARDS: Thank you, Chair. Where to begin. First of all, I do want to
thank everybody for weighing in. It's nice that we actually see people turning out
with an opinion and belief coming forth to talk story about where we're headed.
I'm going to start with 101in saying what I said the first time when this came up. I
completely support the intent, but I do not support the way this bill is written, for a
variety of different reasons. We'll go through some of those.
In the packets to my colleagues, we have Communication 489.339, which is a
PowerPoint presentation presented to Ventura County. They talked about what it's
going to raise their cost for disallowing the use of herbicides, and of course,
specifically glyphosate. It goes from 800,000 to 10 million. I did speak to them, in
fact, this morning, and they are seeking a balance in there, which is what I have
been trying to ask for—not a categorical disuse of these herbicides but a balanced
use. I think we're all for the same thing. We want reduction in our chemicals
coming forward, period.
I have other communications in there, Communication 489.340 from the California
Invasive Species. They suggested it's a needed tool. There's a
Communication 489.341 where it's the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency).
They say it's not a public risk. We've heard many testimonies on both sides of the
argument, and no one in this room is really qualified to make that determination. I
do know from my experience that as a veterinarian, we deal with these concerns all
the time. Specifically, I was puzzled. There's medication we use—nitrofurazone—
that we are not allowed to use in food animal production anymore because it is a
carcinogen, yet we use it readily in human medicine. That's always puzzled me.
Communication 489.342 is the University of Massachusetts. They have a report on
many options. Ms. Villegas, I'd like to comment concerning the road mats. I think
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that's a really good idea, and that's covered in that document. Because, that's what
we need to do. We need a portfolio of what we've got going forward. The biggest
concern coming back to Ventura County is that they said there's areas that we're
going to have trouble if we don't have something to use.
We can talk about, you know, a lot of comments have been made about organic
sprays. A misperception is that everything organic is safe because that's simply not
true. We can talk about copper sulfate. That's a widely used organic treatment but
is very carcinogenic and very toxic. So, I think we need to put that one aside. The
whole point is what we're trying to do is reduce the overall use of chemicals
coming forward.
I'm also deeply concerned about agriculture. As was mentioned by one of our
testifiers, alachlor, acetochlor, and metolachlor are all used for crop production, yet
they're included in this bill. And if this isn't a bill against agriculture, then why are
they in this bill? I pose that question. Again, agriculture is concerned because
they're concerned about a stepping stone going forward. I come from agriculture,
and we need tools to address things. I can also speak specifically on agriculture,
that we don't use a lot of medications because, or excuse me, a lot of chemicals
because it's too expensive. We use management tools. But we need those other
tools to make things happen.
I was also a little bit laughing. This is a little bit off But we're going to be
supporting a rat lungworm symposium to investigate the use of chemicals to help
treat that, which is paradoxical because some of those chemicals that we are going
to be using are quite toxic on humans. But we're going to be using them because
we have to—but we're looking for the safer ones.
So when it comes down to it, like I said, I support the intent. And the reality is you
heard the agriculture testimony—they support the intent. The problem is, is this a
stepping stone going forward? We need agriculture, and agriculture is actually in
pretty good shape in the State of Hawaii. We are on par with the national average
for our GDP (Gross Domestic Product). So, we're making steps in the right
direction. The last thing we need to do is put anything in the way of agriculture
from getting it to grow forward. And this is where I'm coming from. So, though I
do commend you, Rebecca, for putting forth something to help our County to take
steps, this is too overarching. It's too far reaching. So, I appreciate that. Thank
you. But again, as written, I cannot support. Thank you, Chair. I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you, Mr. Richards. Other Council Members?
Ms. Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: You've got to nod at me.
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MS. LEE LOY: Yeah, thank you. I'm actually a little disappointed. We had heard
a large request, specifically from Parks Department, regarding somehow providing
an exception or an exemption for the golf course. And I was really hopeful that
that's something that would have come forward, but it didn't. The golf course is in
the district that I represent, and a small carve out for that asset would seize probably
60,000 to 70,000 rounds of play; would have been a nice balance while we tackle
other parks or other drainageways or other easements that the County owns
124 acres for an asset that provides a lot of recreation. And to possibly lose that,
it's hard. It's really hard.
And it really isn't about the amount of new employees. My larger concern was,
with the hiring of new employees or even if we don't get new employees, it's the
labor. The physical labor that goes with that. And so, I did some research on how
many workers' comp (compensation) claims were made related to herbicide or
pesticide use since 2014. And Hawaii County has not seen one. But in that same
time period, we have seen 33 claims filed for injuries related to mower use, weed-
eater use, or equipment and grass-cutting use to the tune of$382,000 to this point
and which will only grow. So, even if we hit this button right now, we're still going
to see that cost grow because of the work comp injuries that go with it. If we put
money towards education, use of that equipment, you know, other tools, perhaps we
can see that go down. But the way this is structured, it's one way or another and we
don't have enough balance.
Again, I was just real hopeful that we would have listened harder, specifically to the
Parks Department and their concern about the golf courses. And so for those
reasons, I cannot support this bill in its current form. I was really hoping for the
exception. It's easy. And part of being an author for a bill is addressing your
harshest critics and listening. And there was an opportunity to listen to that and
provide a carve out. I think that's on the author to do that, to take in that
information, but it didn't happen. So, where I'm at, really, is we needed that carve
out. That's not here. So, I cannot support Bill 101, Draft 2, in its form. So, thank
you, Chair. I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. Mr. Chung.
MR. CHUNG: Thank you. I've been listening intently to all of the testimony over
the past three hearings on this matter. And I guess not unlike a lot of highly
charged emotional issues, you have truth and, for lack of a better term, hysteria on
the part of, well, on both parts, those for and against, in my humble estimation.
And it's incumbent upon us to really piece through all of this. And I've tried to
look at this with as open a mind as I could and, particularly, with an eye toward
supporting it. As I stated earlier during our first go around, I said that this is
different from just an overall ban because it only relates to our County operations,
which we have a say over all of those things. So, I thought, in that sense, it was
palatable to me.
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But I mentioned some of the trouble that I've had with it. Some were addressed. I
think it related to use of invasive species, particularly trees. Ms. Villegas included
some language which would cover that. But what still has not been covered was an
explanation of all of the banned herbicides that are contained in this bill. I really
don't know what all of those are. So, now I kind of looked over this pack of
materials that was given to me, well, given to all of us by Beyond Pesticides. I just
kind of briefly looked over it. And I had also suggested why don't we, instead of
putting all of those different chemicals on our bill, which no one here on this panel
can really explain in specificity what those things are, I just suggested why don't we
just go with banning all herbicides and maybe including,
"but not limited to glyphosate-based chemicals."
And so, now I'm looking over these materials `cause there's been a lot of references
to these types of measures being adopted throughout the United States. Just for
example, in Californial'm going to go down the listI looked very briefly but
basically Fairfax, San Francisco. They have just a general ban on all herbicides.
But everything else relates to glyphosate, glyphosate, Roundup, glyphosate. So,
why didn't we just stick to glyphosate? I know what that is, yeah. So, I could
reasonably put my stamp of approval on something like that. But right now, I don't
know what all these other chemicals are. And I cannot responsibly say, yes, I think
we should ban all of these, because it may have unintended consequences. But I
overlooked that last time too.
But I also suggested, based on what we heard from our Parks and Recreation
Department, how about carving out an exemption for the public golf course that we
have? From what I see, there's been no attempt to change or address that concern.
Because, I know there were some things brought up by our Maui friend here who
stated that they've addressed it on Maui. But Maui is different, okay. And I think I
stated, and I haven't done any research. I do apologize. But I do know the Maui
public golf course—well, I haven't played over there for a long time—but you guys
mentioned "seashore paspalum." We don't have that here. It's different. In order
for them to maintain the greens, they need the selective poisoning for zoysia, and
it's going to be very difficult for them to operate.
But I also stated that if we're going to ban those chemicals on our own golf course,
providing all of these outs for myself to vote "yes," I went even to the extreme
something that goes against all of my principlesI said that if we're going to ban
those chemicals on our own golf course, then any golf course that's being
subsidized by the County with our County subsidy program should be required to
not use those chemicals as well.
And Ms. Willeford was here saying that she lives right next to a golf course. I'm
assuming it's the Kona Country Club `cause I can't think of any other golf course
that's in the area that she mentioned. And I don't know if they're under that
subsidy, but if they are, then they'd be prohibited from using these chemicals as
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well. It's a little bit more draconian than I'd like, but fair is fair, ultimately. I
listened intently to what Mr. Rodgers had to say. I'm not here to discredit anything
you had to say `cause I know you're a well-intentioned gentleman, and it was really
instructive as far as I could tell.
But another thing that we know here on the Big Island is that the State Department
of Transportation has more dollars per mile to maintain their highways than our
County does, and it's by a wide margin. So, it's going to create a hardship on our
Department of Public Works, but it can be done. I stated the benefits to having a
pesticide or herbicide-free program for our parks because it's going to allow us to
develop a new form of volunteerism. It would be the rise of the Friends of the Park
for all of these different parks, and that would be wonderful in my opinion. We
could have these herbicide-free parks throughout the island. and that would be
great.
But there still would be applications that we could use, whether it be for certain
highways, certain areas of parks—maybe not those that are going to be played upon
by children. And that would have been my preference, that we carve out
exemptions, but I was still willing to go ahead with it. All I asked for was an
exemption for the golf course. That hasn't happened. I was willing to overlook my
lack of knowledge and everyone else's lack of knowledge on all of those different
chemicals.
But I just think this is going to be—with all due respect, I think it's a flawed bill. It
could be, and it could have been actually something that could have brought the two
sides together. Because I will say this, and I stated it the last time, I think the
agricultural community that's come out is mistaken. This only relates to County
property, but at the same time they think—and not unreasonably so—that this may
be the precursor to something else. But if the two sides have come together and
talked this thing out, maybe everyone could have moved forward on a very
acceptable bill. It's just my personal opinion.
So, given that, I'm going to be voting against it. I voted for it at the last two
readings, but I'm going to be voting against it today on final reading. Thank you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay. No, I'm sorry, Ms. Willeford. You cannot. No.
Could you please—okay, I have to take a recess. We're in recess.
Recess: At 12:29 p.m., the Acting Chair called for a recess.
Reconvene: The meeting reconvened at 12:30 p.m.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, we're out of recess. Thank you. Mr. Chung, you
can continue.
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MR. CHUNG: I'm just going to address that comment raised by Ms. Willeford,
saying that people are dropping dead and I'm mistaken or I'm misstating things. I
don't know if she heard, but I suggested that to make things fair, we should not
allow these chemicals on any of the private courses that are being subsidized by the
County with its golf subsidy program. I think she's mistaken in what she heard.
Anyway, thank you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. Let's move on. Anyone else who hasn't
spoken that would like to? Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, Chair. We have had a very
interesting few days or few weeks of discussion about things like climate change
and changes coming to the world. I just want to start with a couple of, kind of,
outside facts.
So, Sonny Perdue. He's the Secretary of Agriculture. In 2014, Sonny Perdue
called "climate change" a running joke among the public. He also received
$330,000 from Monsanto. He's our Secretary of Agriculture. We have a lot of
wonderful quotes by Sonny Perdue on how amazing glyphosate is and the benefits
of it to us, and I find that interesting.
Andy Wheeler is our new head of the EPA. As a former coal-industry lobbyist, he
actually lobbied the Department of the Interior to open Bears Ears National
Monument for uranium mining. He shares the belief that climate change is a joke.
And Republican Senator Collins said that policies he has supported
Andy Wheeler—as Acting Administrator are not in the best interest of our
environment or health.
So, I have a problem when the Secretary of Agriculture and the head of our EPA are
large-industry lobbyists or are receiving grants and funds from large industry. And
yet we take their word for what is healthy and safe for us and our kids and our
environment.
I am concerned with the care of our environment. I am concerned for our kids'
future. I am concerned for our County workers, for their health, and for the health
of our County. I am concerned about the cost as well. What I have found, being a
businessman and being an electrician in the field, I don't always have what I need
to do the job. More than once, I have been caught without the right connector or
coupling or fitting to get the job done, but I have managed to find, in the three or
four different work trucks and vans we had, a way of getting the job done without
driving back to Hilo to get a part from Puna.
So, in that sense, I believe necessity is always the mother of invention. I believe
that by passing this bill, we as the County will make needed changes. And via the
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different agencies involved and the team that's come together to help us get this far
and implement these changes, we will then find safer, smart, and cost-effective
means to control weeds in the County.
If I was going to speak to cost, in this bill it very clearly states that during the
transition period, if the departments of Environmental Management, Parks and Rec.
or Public Works intend to apply a substance listed on the prohibited herbicide
schedule on a County-owned or maintained public park or along a County-owned or
maintained road, bikeway, sidewalk, trail, drainageway, or waterway, that they can.
The transition period is three years—four years, sorry well, January 1st, 2020, till
December 31st, 2023—three years, four years.
So, in the next four years, what I'm understanding this to mean—four years, three
years, whatever it may be—is that they can use it. But the point of this is that we
start to make the transition to. If we don't start a period of transition, if we don't
say, "Yes, let's work towards it,"then we never will. We can go back and forth on
whether Sonny Perdue is paid by the Monsanto industry. We can go back and forth
on whether the head of the EPA is saying this is safe or not and that scientists have
found it safe or not.
Cigarettes used to be safe. Climate change used to be fake. And there's a lot of
things in the world that used to be just fine, but now we stopped using them. We
don't use them anymore because they were found to kill us. I don't know if
Roundup is safe or not because I really don't trust anything's that come before me
from either side. In my head, if I spray a chemical on my body, it's probably not
too good for me versus something that's natural. That's just common sense. So, to
attack this at a common-sense level, I believe that we should step away from it.
Again, County workers spraying it with or without a mask on, I'm worried about
their safety and their health because we are responsible for that.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. I'll come back to you if you
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Thank you, yeah.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Ms. David.
MS. DAVID: Thank you, Chair. And I want to thank everyone that came today,
pro and con, on this issue. One thing that really stood out to me is thatI'm not a
scientist; I don't understand these chemicals—but the thing that stood out was,
No. 1, Mr. Rodgers did this on his own already without an ordinance or a bill to
make him do it. He tried it, and as far as I'm concerned, he was successful and I
think he'll be a great asset to this group that will come together to find out how we
move forward.
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Number two is that the testifier that told us that in all these studies, children and
pregnant women were not included. And yesterday, as we discussed climate
change and the fear of what is happening because of our behavior as humans, the
No. 1 thing that got everyone's attention was they recognized the danger and the
importance that we pay attention to climate change not for us; we're not going to
be here too much longerI speak for myself—but our kids and their kids. And that
was paramount in yesterday's discussion.
So today, that is one big thing that caught my attention, is because we as
government need to protect the kids. And this bill addresses only County parks,
and mind you, not all County parks and facilities have grass that needs to be
sprayed. Some of our parks are just sand and beaches. So, in that tally of the
number of County facilities we have, I think still needs to be broken down because
we don't spray at every facility. I don't think we spray at Yano Hall either. It's just
concrete and hot tar parking lots.
So, that is such a huge impact as far as information—wow. And we're going to
need so many different—we're going to need money to implement this. But as a
farmer, I appreciate the fact that it's not disallowing farmers to use it because I
would be one of them that would be affected by this. I don't use Roundup
anymore. And as far as the cost, Avenger, which is, I guess, what is that, the
organic version of weed control, it might not be the perfect thing, but a gallon of
Roundup costs $109 and a gallon of Avenger costs $87. So, to me, I would use
Avenger. Maybe I have to use it twice as much. But the point is everybody's
feelings on why we should and shouldn't do this are valid, but I think we have to
make our decision coming from a county's perspective.
I appreciate Mr. Chung's reference to exempting the golf course. I don't think
that's something we can't revisit during this process because it's a valid point that
the golf course in Hilo, basically, is a community benefit, which I don't believe they
have that many beaches and stuff that people can go to. So, the golf course is very
important to them. But for me, I stand that our job here, at least my job, I feel, is to
protect the citizens and the kids that use our parks and facilities. The other stuff, I
think we can work it out as people and as legislators. If the need arises that we have
to change it, amend it, to adjust to what the real facts are as we move forward, then
I'm really supportive of that also. So, for me, I will stand with my same position
and will support this effort because I think we have to do something. Thank you, I
yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you, Ms. David. Anybody else on the first
round? Ms. Poindexter.
MS. POINDEXTER: I just want to say that I am still supporting this bill,
definitely. And as far as our workers using pesticides and spraying, yes, of course
you're not going to have any health conditions at the very moment. But as we've
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seen in the past in a lot of different lawsuits that have come forward in different
arenas from different effects of different products, that it doesn't happen right away.
It'll happen later in life. Somebody may get cancer or whatever. So, I don't expect
to see those kinds of numbers being offered to what we find at the County; and the
County workers, what they have filed thus far. So, if we continue the use, I would
say definitely we still may have some in the future, and that may cost us.
And as far as what Toby Hazel said about destroying groundcover, I know that had
happened too, and in my district too. There were some constituents that complained
about them coming and destroying some groundcover that started erosion. So, the
misuse of this product has come to this point of where we have to put our foot down
and say, "No more." Cause, normally, laws are developed because somebody
doesn't do something right or something gets out of hand, and you need to restrict
things more. And I think this is the time that we need to start, especially with the
presentation yesterday, and about the farmers because my district is a lot of farming
and a lot of small farming.
When we talk about the last time, we had a presentation on the TCOM (Thermal
Conversion of Organic Material) system with organic material. And they talked
about the carbon that they would get from that and put it back into the ground; how
the farmers, you know, eventually no need for the use of herbicides and pesticides.
And the amount of growth and healthy things coming from that soil is incredible.
So, there's a lot of opportunity out there for our farmers. I think this forces us in
the right direction to start looking at how we can live and build healthier and safer
communities. So, thank you, Council Member Villegas, for putting this together
and putting it forward, and oftentimes taking all of that harsh criticism. It is true
leadership. Thank you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you, Ms. Poindexter. Anybody else who
would like to speak on—well, we can go to a second round. You're anxious to
speak
MR. CHUNG: Oh, no.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: But I think I want to give Rebecca a chance to answer some
questions that were raised.
MS. VILLEGAS: I just want to humbly state that I ran for office not to be a
politician but to be a public servant. Some of the things that have happened in
relation to this bill feels a lot like politics to me. I also am very grateful for you
having pointed out the golf course. And while it's a disappointment to you that I
didn't offer up that as a caveat for your support of the bill, I'm happy to say that
I've done quite a bit of research. And the Audubon Society is a resource to tap into
for guidance on how we can transition our golf course into an herbicide-free
facility.
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I did some research on the internet, and the Audubon Cooperative Sanctuary
Program for Golf is an award-winning education and certification program. They
will provide—getting involved is easy. Membership is open to golf courses in the
United States and internationally, including private clubs, public and municipal
courses. After joining the program, your next step is to take stock of the
environmental resources, potential liabilities, and then develop an environmental
plan that fits your unique goals, setting, staff, budget, and time. The Audubon
International provides a site assessment and environmental planning form to
provide guidance, as well as educational information to help you in this process. I
think that's really exciting.
And also in my research,just a quick search and an insurance company popped up
saying, "golf course, herbicide, pesticide, pollution liability." And it listed a
number of reasons why golf courses should have a fat insurance policy to cover
their liability in usage of herbicide.
I also found a bunch of other information talking about not only are they now
linking health issues that golf course maintenance workers are being inflicted with,
but also golfers themselves. So, a lot of that science is being studied now, as
they're being exposed. One of the statements here says that, I'm going to forget the
number of times, but it's at least five times the amount of herbicides that are being
used on golf courses are being used in the agricultural industry. And people are
walking, touching, playing.
And then, I just did a little bit of research about our Hilo Municipal Golf Course
and where it's located, and it's actually located in a residential area. And when I
counted the TMK(Tax Map Key) sites surrounding the golf course, I counted
approximately 120. And they may not all have homes on them, but in looking at
Google Maps, there were homes on at least 98 percent of them. And I can't help
but be concerned for the people that live in those homes because the science and
technology and the tracking is there to show that people that live within the
vicinities of the golf courses are being exposed, not necessarily to their knowledge,
and some people don't know to put together that they've been nauseous or they
have headaches or different things that are happening to them or their family might
be linked to chemical exposure. So, I would highly encourage and would hope that
Council Member Lee Loy would take a look at that in the interest of the people in
her district because they are potentially being exposed to these chemicals.
I also want to point out, in closing, the evidence of Monsanto. The Monsanto
papers are available now. You can look them up online. Everything that's been
hidden all over their claims and the things that they've been saying are being
exposed. Some of those being—the Monsanto papers show that they purposefully
ghost wrote articles that regulators have been relying on for years. They
orchestrated attacks against an international agency for research on cancer and its
members for concluding glyphosate is a probable human carcinogen. Monsanto hid
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its own consultant's conclusion that Roundup causes DNA (Deoxyribonucleic
Acid) damage. They hid data showing Roundup penetrates skin at greater rates
than reported to regulators. And Monsanto influenced EPA officials to arrive at
pro-Roundup conclusions.
You can look up the documentation. The notes are available. In my mind, that
precludes the claims coming directly from the companies and organizations that
have been funded by this corporation. So, thanks for your time.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. Mr. Chung.
MR. CHUNG: Thank you. I think I have to take exception to the comment that
there's politics going on afoot here. I mean, I can only speak for myself And
during the course of my earlier talk, I actually criticized both sides of the equation.
That doesn't get anybody votes, I think, right? And it's just a matter of kind of
wading through all of the information, trying to come up with as good a decision as
you can.
And we actually come from, you know, all the people sitting on this panel come
from different backgrounds. And I stated in a different context that I come from the
background of a lawyer, so I look at things in a legal sense. Just the other day, Matt
and I were kind of going over two statutes, and I went away from that discussion
saying, "Hey, Matt, I don't really know what those things say. It's really open to
interpretation." And that was my honest opinion. I couldn't give him a specific
answer on that, and he had sought my advice. I said, "Hey, Matt, I cannot. I don't
know what they mean by that."
And so now, as it relates to this, I'm not trying to play politics. I just said early on
from the very beginning that I wanted to know more about what we're prohibiting.
And I even gave the opening to say that I have no problem with banning Monsanto
products or glyphosate products as has many other jurisdictions in the nation. But
with regard to the golf course, I'm not suggesting that the County go and spray the
perimeters near the residents. What they need the herbicides for are on the greens.
Yeah. They need to spray the greens `cause it's selective poisoning. And those are,
you know, they're not glyphosate-based products. I don't know what they are,
really. But that's what they need it for, to maintain the greens.
Val made a good point. A lot of times, it's about the misuse of a product which
causes us or forces us to do things like this. And I have to admit, based on what
I've heard, there's some kind of horror stories of how our County employees have
not been properly adhering to the instructions. And so, it might be mismanagement.
It might not be. I don't know. But certainly, we should have looked closely into
that, and we'll have three years to do that. But there's one more thing, and I'm not
trying to persuade anybody here. I think we know how the vote is going to go, and
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I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I just want to explain my position, and it
really is not politics. You can believe what you want. But I'm just trying to make a
good decision based on the information that I have.
But it has to do with the bees. I wanted to address the bees. You guys don't know
here. I've said it but you guys really don't know,but my wife knows. I have this
almost unusually profound love for bees, and it'sI can't describe it any other way.
Only because I'm voting against this bill doesn't mean I'm voting against bees. We
had the long discussion yesterday. It was a presentation by a person that I
considered to be the pre-eminent authority in the State of Hawaii on climate
change—Chip Fletcher. He talked about the impact that climate change is having
on insects worldwide, and then the decrease in populations. And it's just a function
of climate change. I certainly understand.
I would really be grief stricken if I came to my hive, and I saw thousands of bees
just lying dead. I mean, that would have an impact on me, I know. But I don't
know how carving out an exemption for the golf course would really have that kind
of deleterious effect on our bee populations. I have no problem with banning
glyphosate. I have no problem with any Monsanto-based products, but I think this
is just going too far. And I just am not comfortable with the list that's been
provided in the bill. I just don't know what they are, that's all. I hope everyone can
respect my opinion. Thank you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. Anybody else? Mr. Richards.
MR. RICHARDS: Thank you, Chair. This is actually a really good conversation.
I'm kind of enjoying it. Some of the comments have been madeI don't agree
with everybody's statements, but I do enjoy the conversation. Some things have
been pointed out.
Friends of the Park. That's actually a very good project going forward, as long as
the Friends of the Parks groups continue to function. I've had complaints in my
district about spraying while kids are playing and it caused a big hakaka. As it turns
out, they were spraying saltwater. So, that shouldn't be an issue. And I think that
some of these things are not being accurately portrayed because I think actually we
have done a lot of good things coming forward.
I, too, love bees, Chair Chung. And Kailin knows that. I've worked with her. I'm
deeply concerned about bees going forward, and this Council knows that. This goes
back a long time before this bill ever came up. We have to identify what's going on
with that. And I understand the concern, and we have to identify what that concern
actually is, or the problematic thing.
Everything we're doing sitting up here on the Council is about the next generation.
And we talked about that yesterday during Committee. We grew up in a time I'm
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looking at Val. I'm looking at Maile, Aaron. The rest of you guys are a little bit
young—when we used a lot harsher things in this County and this State and this
country. But we learned. We don't use DDT (Dichloro-Diphenyl-Trichloroethane)
anymore. It was used at one time, but we don't have malaria. And so, it's the plus
or minus. It's not lost on me at all.
From Ms. Ness concerning the "no increase in the budget," I'm going to hold you to
that, and I'm sure you'll write us a check if we do see a rise in our budget. I don't
see a nod of affirmative on that. My position doesn't change. This is about
agriculture. We talked about wanting to be food self-reliant but then we don't do
things coming forward. This country, this State, and this County makes being in
agriculture very difficult. We don't produce near enough food in this State, but we
can and we're on the right trajectory.
And so, anything that impacts agriculture, I'm going to speak for because, without a
doubt, that's the direction we want to go and we need to go and we actually can go
there. But we need the tools. And that's why, for a categorical statement, I cannot
support. So, although I appreciate the conversation, and I will continue working
with my farmers and ranchers as we seek solutions, a categorical denial of some of
the tools that we need, I can't support at this time. Thank you, Chair, I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. One more time, Ms. Lee Loy.
MS. LEE LOY: Thank you. I'm going to take exception to the suggestion by
Ms. Villegas about the golf course and her internet search. And as Chair Chung
mentioned, this is an asset in the district, yes, surrounded by residents. But the
application of this is about the greens. And again, a small carve out would have
easily addressed that. I think what's more alarming is the inaccurate assertions that
somehow we're out of touch. And I walls back to our budget when Ms. Villegas
carved out $250,000 in a subsidy to the Kona Golf Course. And we're not playing
politics, we're just having a very robust discussion about the hard decision we have
to make.
And so, I'm right back to this bill did not address what was just like the Big Island
Invasive Species suggestions—is a suggestion from our Administration about how
we handle the golf course. And I'll be more than happy to walls around in the
neighboring community of the golf course, but I would also suggest maybe
Ms. Villegas reach out to the groundskeepers of the golf course to better understand
what they do at that golf course and the challenges that they have. Like
Mr. Richards, I'm looking forward to subsidies or opportunities, public-private
partnerships to help with these assets, which is why I sponsored the parks bill,
where we could get sponsorship to help care for our parks. That was a tool that I
mentioned during Committee. So, we do have tools in our toolbelt.
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It's rather unfortunate that these inaccurate assertions are being tossed about
without real merit about what it takes to manage that golf course, 124 acres, and
we're talking about the greens on that. So, I think we've addressed everything
we've needed to address. I really was hoping for that carve out. I'm still
concerned. And Ms. Poindexter is correct; we won't see possible impacts to a
worker's comp claim till later, but we're experiencing them right now with injuries
related to the use of various equipment that will become a larger part of our park's
crew as we move this forward.
So again, I will not be supporting this bill. I think there's opportunities. It's
unfortunate that we're at the 1 Ph hour and some of those listening sessions during
this process, that more value wasn't based in what our Parks Department was
seeing. So, Chair, with that, I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. Mr. Chung, one more time.
MR. CHUNG: Very briefly.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: I didn't have a chance either.
MR. CHUNG: I know. I'm sorry. Yeah, I wanted to make one more comment
about two things that are causing me consternation here. And they actually could
have worked out because if we had just stuck with glyphosate, I know what that is.
Okay? And it wouldn't be unlike what 95 percent of the other jurisdictions have
done. If we had just stuck with glyphosate, then we wouldn't have to carve out an
exemption for the golf courses because they're not going to be spraying Roundup
on the greens. They just need the selective poisoning on the greens. So then, we
wouldn't need that, and it would have just eliminated my concern about that. I just
wanted to say that.
And one more thing, too, `cause I don't think the golf course really needs that much
Roundup, if at all. Because, they mow the grass and the only areas that I think they
would need it would be around the ditches and around the perimeters. But then,
they can implement a program of using, maybe, Avenger or something like that.
That's no problem. It's really on the greens. Thank you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, Ms. Villegas.
MS. VILLEGAS: Sure. And thanks for pointing that out, Chair Chung. I just want
to humbly point out that you were emailed a very lengthy list, which gives in great
detail explanations of each of the chemicals and herbicides listed in the legislation.
So beyond this, I mean, I guess I'm not sure what else you would have wanted.
This was emailed to everyone prior to our last Council meeting, and it was given to
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us in person during our last Council meeting. And I'm happy to share my copy
with you if that would help you to get a better understanding of what some of these
other herbicides are and why they were included.
I would like to call Autumn up and just ask her a quick question on that. And I
want to also point out, before Autumn comes up here, that this categorical ban,
there are allowances for exemptions in here based on certain circumstances. Not
only is this, like, a working group and a progress for four years as we transition, but
there's allowance in here for exemptions.
One of the members of my team, her husband works on a golf course, and they
spray Roundup on the golf course. And in some of my reading, something that
they're tracking—and maybe you could speak to this—is that the more they spray,
the more resistance the weeds have and then they spray more and then we end up in
these circumstances where Autumn shared with us before where we're negatively
impacting the health of our soils, which then require more spray and more
fertilizers.
And the trends right now, it seems engulfing, is transitioning to organic golf
courses, especially `cause most of them are near waterways and so there's Federal
implications of runoff How they also spray—most of the homes are right next to
the grass areas. And so, they are spraying closer to homes. But with that, I just
want to ask Autumn if you can give us a quick update on the nature of the list again.
I'm sure you've gone through it before, but if you could do that for me again, that
would be great.
(Note: At this time, Autumn Ness, representing Beyond Pesticides, came
forward to address the members of the Council.)
MS. NESS: Sure. I actually forgot to bring my copy of the list. So, I'll tell you
how we can
MS. VILLEGAS: Here you go, right here.
MS. NESS: Okay. This list was compiled in two ways. I first did a lot of research
and looked at what the 30 most popular lawn and landscape herbicides are, and
those are on the list. And then, we looked at the USDA (United States
Department of Agriculture) recently published a lengthy report on pesticides and
herbicides in all manner of usage, including agriculture and landscapes. And I took
their top 30 products, which are, like, the top sale products by far. Like the
difference between the top 30 and then the 31"product is huge. So, I put those 30
cross-referenced, and some of them were the same and some of them were different.
So, I made sure, out of those two, that all of the products were on here, listed by
common name. And some of themI'm glad I got the opportunity to address this,
yes—are currently registered for use on crops.
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But I know how the industry works, intimately, and I know that when a
municipality or a class of agriculture bans one certain chemical, they go and have
other chemicals reclassified for those other uses. So, knowing full well how much
work went into this bill and if the County banned the current herbicides that are in
use by the Parks Department only right now, next year other chemicals will
probably be asked to be re-registered for use on County parks so that those
companies can continue to sell their products.
So, to kind of get rid of the risk of us having to go through this all over again for a
new list, for new chemicals that have been re-registered so that the County can
continue using these herbicides, I just put them all on the list. So, I hope that kind
of gets rid of the fear that we're coming for the farmers `cause that's not at all the
intent.
MS. VILLEGAS: Thank you, Autumn. I appreciate that. Just in closing, I also
want to acknowledge the beekeepers and thank you so much for coming out today,
the head of the Big Island Beekeepers Association and the number of different
private businesses that work in the bee industry and the honey industry. And the
fact that we are eating glyphosate in our honey is concerning. I've also read that
glyphosate is in our Cheerios and all different food products.
I guess I would hope that the members of this body who were so adamant about
providing funding to protect our native bees and to support the work of our native
beekeepers might just consider the irony of then now when the beekeepers come
and ask for your help and the protection of their bees that you would even consider
voting against that. And with that, I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. And I know we can go on and on.
Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I just have one more thing to say. So again,
what's in front of us is a ban by the County of Hawaii only—not every farmer in
the State,just the County—to ban within County use. That's very important
because that's all we're talking about. We're not talking about far-reaching bans in
to the future in 30 years or what could be, what may be, what maybe won't be, but
what's right in front of us, okay. I was asked, and I came down to this, by the
proponents, I'm sorry, the opponents of this bill, is that we take a hard look at the
cost. And after reading this bill, what I liked is that there's a committee that is
supposed to monitor progress. They're supposed to come back and report to the
Council. These are built into this bill.
In addition, different departments are supposed to have their people as part of this
committee. They don't get to vote, but they're part of the committee, which means
they have input. Everyone is included in this list of who should be on this
committee. And what's very important about this committee is it gives us a chance
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to see what's going on, what progresses were made, what the costs are. We're here
to talk about costs. We talk about cost all the time. That is our job in some ways.
In many ways, that's our job.
So, if we have a chance to look at the cost, then we are in charge of the cost. If it's
running away from us, we can put a stop to it. If something doesn't make sense, we
have the chance to say no. It's built into this bill. There is a four-year transition
period, again, while we start to make these changes. It does not mean, tomorrow,
we ban Roundup from the County of Hawaii and we deal with the cost from there
out. It's saying, in four years, we're going to transition to "no more." So, we're not
here to discuss whether this is going to affect farmers who work at a private level
outside of the County. If you want to have that discussion, then that discussion
would take place at a different place at a different time. Today, we're voting on
whether to ban it at a County level.
Speaking to the golf course. We're talking about the golf course. Herbicides can
be used in the meantime until this goes into effect December 31st, 2023. There are
some specific ways that it should be applied and what should be done when it's
applied, but it can be done. So, the matter at hand: County ban of Roundup and
associated chemicals, herbicides—not pesticides. Cost. We will be watching. I
will be watching `cause I'm very concerned about cost.
We spent close to $5 million on Mauna Kea with no agreement. So, we're talking
about—you know what? Our cost here, too, we don't have any set cost by any
department. Nothing has been brought forward to say, "You will spend this much
more." That's part of this transition, is figuring out how much it will cost. So, until
I see something that is absolutely detrimental to the taxpayers of this County, I can't
say no to this bill because it could be a problem. I will be watching, but it's not
here.
The idea that 400 people need to be hired to cut grass on the island seems a bit
excessive to me. And as I said before, necessity is the mother of invention. I think,
being human beings, we will be creative and find interesting ways to battle our
problems, like Maui has done, like Kauai is about to do. We're smart people. We
have departments full of smart people. We pay people to do their jobs and be
smart. We are paid to make smart decisions. And in this case, we're talking about
the health of our County, of our kids, and of our future. So, we should make a very
good decision here today on what is the best future-minded plan for the County.
Even if it did cost a little bit more, if it's still in the better judgment of this Council
that this is a good way forward, then that's what we should be doing. So, I wanted
to remind everyone that we're voting on the matter at hand. Talking points should
be on the matter at hand. And with that, I yield.
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ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. I think we're winding down. Mr. Chung
had another
MR. CHUNG: I know this is my fourth time. Thank you very much, Madam
Chair.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: You're welcome. Don't forget.
MR. CHUNG: I mean, but, a question was directed toward me, so I've got to
address it. Then, my question would be to the author, which one of these active
ingredients can be used on the greens? Actually, it might allay my concerns, right?
If none of these are used on the greens, then perhaps my concerns are misdirected.
So, which one of these active ingredients are the ones that you can or cannot use on
greens?
MS. VILLEGAS: (Inaudible.)
MR. CHUNG: Well, obviously, glyphosate you're not going to use on greens,
right? So, which one is, like, for selective poisoning?
MS. VILLEGAS: You could also use it on greens because glyphosate kills weeds.
MR. CHUNG: No, you're going to kill the whole green. You cannot use
glyphosate on the green. It's going to wipe out the green. So, when I said
"selective poisoning," this is something you can spray over the green and it's going
to kill certain weeds. So, which ones?
MS. VILLEGAS: (Inaudible.)
MR. CHUNG: No, you
MS. VILLEGAS: No, Mr. Chung, I don't feel that that's a fair question.
MR. CHUNG: Well, you directed it at me.
MS. VILLEGAS: No, I gave you a list.
MR. CHUNG: Well, I guess
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Excuse me, Ms. Villegas, you need to have your mic on,
and I need to recognize the speaker. I think Mr. Chung isI think he's asking if all
of those named ingredients are not to be used, what ones can be used on the greens?
Is that what you're asking?
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MR. CHUNG: Right, `cause all I was concerned about was the greens. And so, in
response to my spiel, you told me that you had provided an explanation for all of
these active ingredients. So, I just want to know, `cause I'm trying to find a way
out, which one is the ones that are used on the greens?
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Currently? I'm sorry.
MR. CHUNG: Yeah.
MS. VILLEGAS: Currently used on the greens?
MR. CHUNG: Right.
MS. VILLEGAS: I don't have that list for you, what is currently used on the
greens.
MR. CHUNG: Okay, thank you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. Mr. Richards.
MR. RICHARDS: Thank you. Forgive me, but it's agriculture. And, Rebecca, I
would agree with your comments concerning agricultural practices if this was
40 years ago, but agriculture has substantially evolved. So, let's get together and
talk story `cause I don't think your understanding where agriculture has gone to.
Agriculture is quite environmentally friendly with a lot of things—not everything.
I'm not going to say categorically that everything's fixed. But relative to 30 years
ago, even 20 years ago, even 10 years ago, evolution has been in a very positive
direction.
And so, I wasn't going to say anything, but since it concerned agriculture, you
know me. I can't keep my mouth shut when we talk about land and animals. So,
the point is, we've evolved substantially. We, as a society, have evolved
substantially in how we manage our lands. And the environmentally sensitive
things that we do today are very important. So, I don't want to leave the public
with the perception that agriculture is not a good thing because we need it. It's not
a very big portion of our GDP, but we are doing a lot of it very right. And one of
the tools is some of these chemicals. So with that, thank you, I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. I guess I have a chance to chime in if
everyone's done. Okay. I just wanted to remind all of us that this does only affect
County facilities, and those are County parks, park facilities, roadways, trails. So, I
hope that—for now anyways. But I hope the County can be a lead by example. So,
I firmly believe that where there's a will, there's a way. And I don't think we're
going to let the golf course go down the tubes. I mean, there will be a way to
manicure it. There's other golf courses that have succeed.
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I don't know exactly what, I can't remember, but when the SMA (Special
Management Area)permit was finally granted for Kohanaiki, one of the deals was
that they do not use pesticides or fertilizers that are harmful to the reef. And
they've managed to maintain it without glyphosate products. I don't know what
they are allowed to use. But there's transitions and then there's steps along the way
till we get to where we want to be. But I think that this County should lead by
example at this point. Like Mr. Richards said, he doesn't mind and he supports the
direction that's going in. So, I'm saying let's just go there. Let's start in that
direction.
During the next few years, if there's insurmountable problems, I'm sure they can be
dealt with, but I don't really believe there's anything insurmountable. At this point,
we should take this step forward. So, I'll be supporting Bill 101. I don't want to
cut off anymore statements or comments, but I think we're probably ready to vote.
We haven't heard from Ms. Kierkiewicz, though. You'd like to say something?
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: A short comment, Chair, if I may.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Sure.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Thank you. I think everybody—like everyone here, we want
to do what's within our capacity to protect our children, our community, our
environment. I also want to protect my children and my community with good
laws. And I don't want our community to be inadvertently impacted by imprecise
or not really well-thought-out laws because we're seeing that play out in a number
of arenas. But I'm going to go out on a limb here, and I'm going to support this
measure because I fully believe in the intent and where this is going. But I do have
reservations. And we're all adults here, so it's okay to share them because I think
it's a part of good discussion and responsible decision making.
In an effort to build consensus—because I've seen a number of bills come before
this body where if there are concerns by colleagues, we do our best to address
themI was hoping that these concerns would be resolved. But it's okay. I was
also hoping that concerns from the departments would also be addressed. I know
that we have consultants that aren't from here saying there isn't going to be an
increase in the need for more resources or more staff or more equipment.
I've looked at various counties across the nation that have implemented similar
bans, and it's really a mixed bag, right? Some places, you don't need more
resources. Other places, you do. And that's okay. Let's just be upfront about it so
that we can really get to work and successfully implement something. For the
record, I'm going to believe what my Director of Parks and Rec. tells me. If she
tells me that we need 400 more folks, then, hey, at least we know and we can
budget appropriately, right? I mean, I went on ride-alongs with the Parks and Rec.
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guys, and I had to see for myself the work that they had to do deal with every single
day. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of backbreaking work, and I'm extremely grateful
and very grateful to them.
So, this isn't criticism. It's just being real about where we are, and this comes from
a place of just wanting to be a responsible policy maker because that's our principal
charge, right? To develop good policy and also to provide fiscal oversight. I
operate in the zone of reality. I think it's going to be a heavy lift, but it's not going
to get in the way of me supporting this bill. So, congrats (congratulations),
Rebecca. I look forward to hopefully more than just annual reports from the
committee. Clearly, there are a lot of issues that we need to sort through, so maybe
even quarterly updates so that we can be prepared to make adjustments in our
budget and kind of figure out if there are other amendments that need to be made to
the bill. So, thank you. I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Okay, then, I think we are
ready to take a vote. Mr. Clerk, I think a roll call vote at this point.
Vote on Bill 101: The motion to pass Bill 101, Draft 2, on second and final
Draft 2 reading was carried by the following roll call vote:
(Adopted)
Ayes: Council Members David, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder,
Kierkiewicz, Poindexter, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—6.
Noes: Council Members Chung, Lee Loy, and
Richards —3.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
(Note: Ms. Kierkiewicz voted "kanalua" then "aye.")
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Bill 101 is approved at second and final reading, and I
think we'd better take a lunch break. We're in recess.
Recess: At 1:25 p.m., the Acting Chair called for a recess.
Reconvene: The meeting reconvened at 2 p.m.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: I'd like to call this meeting out of recess, and we will start
with Communication 312.5.
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Return to Order The Acting Chair directed the Council to return to the order of business.
of Business:
COMMUNI- Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
CATIONS: Communications.
Comm. 312.5: REPORT OF ATTENDANCE AT TROPIC-FOCUSED WORKSHOPS BY
COUNCIL MEMBERS KANEALII-KLEINFELDER AND LEE LOY ON
OCTOBER 28, 2019, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS DAVID, EOFF, AND
LEE LOY ON OCTOBER 29, 2019, PURSUANT TO HAWAII REVISED
STATUTES SECTION 92-2.5(e)
From Council Member Susan L. K. Lee Loy, dated October 30, 2019.
Motion to Close Ms. Lee Loy moved to close file on Comm. 312.5.
File: Seconded by Mr. Richards.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any discussion?
MS. LEE LOY: None. This is part of our protocols.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Right. Okay, thank you. All in favor, say "aye."
Vote on Comm. 312.5: The motion to close file on Comm. 312.5 was carried by
Filed the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members David, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Richards, Villegas, and Acting Chair Eoff—6.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Chung, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder,
and Poindexter—3.
Excused: None.
MR. HENRICKS: The communication is filed. Do you want to go to "Reports,"
Madam Chair?
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Yes, can we go to Report
MR. HENRICKS: We'll skip to the back and go through our confirmations of
board members.
Change Order As directed by Acting Chair Eoff and with no objection from the Council
of Business: Members, the following items were taken out of order:
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FC-77 NOMINATION OF JUSTIN BRADFORD LEE TO THE PUBLIC ACCESS,
(Comm. 547): OPEN SPACE, AND NATURAL RESOURCES PRESERVATION
COMMISSION
Requires Council
Confirmation by: December 1, 2019 (Section 13-4(1),
Hawaii County Charter)
Vote on FC-77: Ms. David moved to adopt Finance Committee Report
(Adopted) No. 77. Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz and carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members David, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Richards, Villegas, and Acting Chair Eoff—6.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Chung, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder,
and Poindexter—3.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries.
PC-31 NOMINATION OF STACEY E. AGUTAR TO THE BOARD OF APPEALS
(Comm. 550):
Requires Council
Confirmation by: December 1, 2019 (Section 13-4(1),
Hawaii County Charter)
Vote on PC-31: Mr. Richards moved to adopt Planning Committee Report
(Adopted) No. 31. Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz and carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members David, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Richards, Villegas, and Acting Chair Eoff—6.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Chung, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder,
and Poindexter—3.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries.
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PC-32 NOMINATION OF MARISA R. BANKSTON TO THE KONA COMMUNITY
(Comm. 551): DEVELOPMENT PLAN ACTION COMMITTEE
Requires Council
Confirmation by: December 1, 2019 (Section 13-4(1),
Hawaii County Charter)
Vote on PC-32: Ms. David moved to adopt Planning Committee Report
(Adopted) No. 32. Seconded by Mr. Richards and carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members David, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Richards, Villegas, and Acting Chair Eoff—6.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Chung, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder,
and Poindexter—3.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries.
PC-33 NOMINATION OF ROSELYN C. MOLINA TO THE KONA COMMUNITY
(Comm. 552): DEVELOPMENT PLAN ACTION COMMITTEE
Requires Council
Confirmation by: December 1, 2019 (Section 13-4(1),
Hawaii County Charter)
Vote on PC-33: Ms. David moved to adopt Planning Committee Report
(Adopted) No. 33. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy and carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members David, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Richards, Villegas, and Acting Chair Eoff—6.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Chung, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder,
and Poindexter—3.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries.
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PC-34 NOMINATION OF MAX EDWARD NEWBERG TO THE LEEWARD
(Comm. 553): PLANNING COMMISSION
Requires Council
Confirmation by: December 1, 2019 (Section 13-4(1),
Hawaii County Charter)
Vote on PC-34: Mr. Richards moved to adopt Planning Committee Report
(Adopted) No. 34. Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz and carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members David, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Richards, Villegas, and Acting Chair Eoff—6.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Chung, Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder,
and Poindexter—3.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries.
PSC-10 NOMINATION OF MARCELLA ST. AMBROGIO TO THE POLICE
(Comm. 548): COMMISSION
Requires Council
Confirmation by: December 1, 2019 (Section 13-4(1),
Hawaii County Charter)
Vote on PSC-10: Ms. Lee Loy moved to adopt Public Safety Committee
(Adopted) Report No. 10. Seconded by Mr. Richards and carried by
the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David, Kierkiewicz,
Lee Loy, Richards, Villegas, and Acting
Chair Eoff—7.
Noes: None.
Absent: Council Members Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder
and Poindexter—2.
Excused: None.
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PSC-11 NOMINATION OF ROD QUARTARARO TO THE POLICE COMMISSION
(Comm. 549):
Requires Council
Confirmation by: December 1, 2019 (Section 13-4(1),
Hawaii County Charter)
Vote on PSC-11: Ms. Lee Loy moved to adopt Public Safety Committee
(Adopted) Report No. 11. Seconded by Mr. Richards and carried by
the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
AWEEMC-11 NOMINATION OF MELISSA ROSE CARDWELL TO THE
(Comm. 546): ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT COMMISSION
Requires Council
Confirmation by: December 1, 2019 (Section 13-4(1),
Hawaii County Charter)
Vote on Mr. Richards moved to adopt Agriculture, Water, Energy,
AWEEMC-11: and Environmental Management Committee Report
(Adopted) No. 11. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy and carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Okay, let's start back to the top.
Resolution 301.
Return to Order Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to return to the order of business.
of Business:
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ORDER OF Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
RESOLUTIONS: Order of Resolutions.
Res. 301-19: URGES THE DIRECTORS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL
(Draft 2) MANAGEMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT OF RESEARCH AND
DEVELOPMENT TO COLLABORATE AND DEVELOP A PLAN FOR
WASTE STREAM MANAGEMENT AND REDUCTION TECHNOLOGIES TO
INCLUDE RENEWABLE AND ALTERNATIVE ENERGY GENERATION
FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAII
Seeks to address an increasing supply of solid waste through a waste stream
reduction technologies that would conserve County funds, reduce the use of fossil
fuels, and improve environmental conditions on Hawaii Island.
Reference: Comm. 462.12
Intr. by: Mr. Richards
Approve: AWEEMC-12
Motion to Approve: Mr. Richards moved to adopt Res. 301-19, Draft 2, and
Agriculture, Water, Energy, and Environmental
Management Committee Report No. 12. Seconded by
Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Mr. Richards, you have the floor.
MR. RICHARDS: Thank you, Chair. We went through this fairly extensively, and
Bill Kucharski did talk to me and extends his regrets for him being unable to be
here `cause he said this a very timely piece of legislation. We've heard a lot of
comments today.
I'm puzzled a little bit. I thought we had corrected or addressed the concerns that
this is not a resolution about waste to energy. This is a resolution about waste
management that might include energy. And that's actually the clean sheet of paper
that the Environmental Management Commission, the Director of Environmental
Management, and Research and Development get together, figure out some plans.
And as was pointed out, we're not approving anything here.
In the last `BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that through additional legislation,
policies, and actions that Hawaii County can enact, a successful alternative . . ."
blah, blah, blah. So, what this is, is just giving them the go ahead to come up with
an idea and bring it back to us and talk story about.
One of the things that I'm keenly interested in is that TCOM thing that, Rebecca,
you and Val brought forth. I don't know enough about it, but I'm sure hoping that
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these guys are going to dig into that. I think there's some potential there. I just
don't know exactly how to deal with that. So anyway, long story short, that's
where we are with that.
I do appreciate some of the comments made. I always love to hear from Jon Olson.
I always like to hear it. His point is well taken. We talk a lot. We don't do. Let's
get some done. So with that, I ask for my colleagues' support.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. Any other comments? Ms. Poindexter.
MS. POINDEXTER: What the public needs to know, it's a resolution. It's a strong
urging of our Council to start looking into this. And we've got to start somewhere.
And it's not a one-thing fix. TCOM won't fix everything. It could be a solution for
a portion of what we need to have done. But I think that what this resolution does is
it encourages the department to start looking at those different options. So again,
it's just a resolution. It's not an ordinance. They don't have to take everything that
you say in that resolution and do it. It's basically a strong urging of this Council to
look into our waste stream. So, I'll be supporting it. Thank you, Madam Chair.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any other comments? Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Mr. Richards, I am proud of you for doing two
drafts for this resolution. And you've also urged me to print out the entire Zero
Waste program that we implemented in 2009 and read it. So, thank you.
MR. RICHARDS: That wasn't my intention to have you print it out. But good on
you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any other comments? Ms. David.
MS. DAVID: Yes, thank you. I was going to say exactly that. I just wanted to
thank you, Mr. Richards, for actually listening and bringing forth Draft 2 because of
some of the comments that were made initially. So, thank you for that, and I
support this. Mahalo.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. I just wanted to add to that that I think
they're—actually, this doesn't seem in conflict with the Zero Waste initiative. It
actually seems compatible. Maybe as time goes on, people will realize what's
going on here to provide this opportunity for discussion.
MR. RICHARDS: Just a quick comment?
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Sure, go ahead.
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MR. RICHARDS: I think as this comes forth and we start work on it, Matt, maybe
you and me can go down and talk story with the Environmental Management
Commission and just kind of present what we're hoping for. Okay, I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay. Thank you. All in favor of approving
Resolution 301-19, Draft 2, please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 301-19: The motion to adopt Res. 301-19, Draft 2, and Agriculture,
Draft 2 Water, Energy, and Environmental Management
(Adopted) Committee Report No. 12 was carried by the following
voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. I do have a request to take something out
of order, if you folks don't mind. Mr. Brilhante is in Hilo for two resolutions. So,
could we jump down to Resolution 386? Oh, it's not that far.
Change Order As directed by Acting Chair Eoff and with no objection from the Council
of Business: Members, the following items were taken out of order:
Res. 386-19: COMMITS TO FUNDING THE COST ITEMS AGREED UPON BY THE
EMPLOYERS AND THE HAWAII GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION UNITS 13, 73, AND EMPLOYEES EXCLUDED FROM
THOSE UNITS FOR THE CONTRACT PERIOD JULY 1, 2019, THROUGH
JUNE 30, 2021
Authorizes the appropriation in future fiscal years which would include across-the-
board increases, step movements, within-range progressions, and increases to meal
allowances and travel times. The estimated cost over the two years of the contract
would be $3,910,943.
Reference: Comm. 585
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
Waived: FC
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to adopt Res. 386-19. Seconded by
Mr. Richards.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Ms. David.
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MS. DAVID: Thank you. Director Brilhante, thank you for coming so quickly.
Would you please give us a rundown of Resolution 386, please, and the funding?
Thank you.
(Note: At this time, Human Resources Director William Brilhante came
forward to address the members of the Council.)
MR. BRILHANTE: (Inaudible) as they're all sitting here. But anyway, good
afternoon. William Brilhante, Director of the Department of Human Resources.
Yes,just as it relates to this resolution and then if you look at the agenda, later on
there'll be a discussion regarding Item No. 407-19. But these are the two
resolutions that are associated with the current HGEA (Hawai`i Government
Employees Association) bargaining unit contracts, collective bargaining
agreements.
So, as you know, we've discussed previously as it relates to HGEA, they're
operating under contracts that have since expired, and we were in negotiations.
And this matter was set for arbitration. And prior to the first day of arbitration for
this unit—and I'm just trying to make sure. This first number 386-19 is related to
Unit 13 of HGEA, and it's just the collective bargaining agreement as it relates to
cost items, which is primarily the salaries. Basically, it's a two-year contract, and
the salaries are going to be about a 5.6 percent—not just the salaries, but salaries
and the other cost benefits are going to be about a 5.6 percent increase per year over
the two-year period.
MS. DAVID: Okay, thank you very much. Thanks for that explanation. I yield,
Chair.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any questions, Council Members?
Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Good afternoon, Bill.
MR. BRILHANTE: Good afternoon.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: What are Bargaining Units 13 and 73? Which
units are those?
MR. BRILHANTE: Bargaining Unit 13 is primarily the white-collar workers, the
supervisors, for HGEA. So, those are your higher-level supervisors.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: And then 73?
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MR. BRILHANTE: That's the excluded managers that we associate. Because
they're not represented by a specific unit, we identify 73. So, those would be the
EMs (Excluded Managerial) that would ordinarily be in that unit, but they're
excluded.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay, thank you. I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any other questions, comments, Council Members?
Seeing none, all in favor please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 386-19: The motion to adopt Res. 386-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Mr. Brilhante, would you like us to jump
down to Resolution 407?
MR. BRILHANTE: Although I find this process to be very interesting and
enlightening, that would be great if I could leave a little bit earlier.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, let's do that. Mr. Clerk.
Res. 407-19: COMMITS TO FUNDING THE COST ITEMS AGREED UPON BY THE
EMPLOYERS AND THE HAWAII GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION UNIT 2 FOR THE CONTRACT PERIOD JULY 1, 2019,
THROUGH JUNE 30, 2021
Authorizes the appropriation in future fiscal years which would include lump-sum
payments, across-the-board increases, step movements, and increases to meal
allowances. The estimated cost over the two years of the contract would be
$436,416.
Reference: Comm. 609
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
Waived: FC
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to adopt Res. 407-19. Seconded by
Mr. Richards.
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ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any questions? Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Good afternoon, Bill.
MR. BRILHANTE: Good afternoon again.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I appreciate your sarcasm. That was funny.
Bargaining Unit 2, what is that?
MR. BRILHANTE: Bargaining Unit 2 is the lowest level of the HGEA units, and
those are the supervisors for the UPW (United Public Workers) laborers who
comprise Unit 1. So, that's why it's just Bargaining Unit 2. We don't have any
excluded managers in this category. And again, it's the same percentage raise per
year, about 5.6 percent or so per annum, except what they did was things were just
tweaked a little bit so that the 2 percent raise and there's some lump-sum payments,
they're just moved around so that the actual implementation of the lump sum are a
little bit later or some may be a little bit earlier. But at the end of the day, it's about
a 5.6 percent per annum raise across the board.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: That's a nice raise.
MR. BRILHANTE: That's about the going rate for all of the units so far, excluding
any real bonuses. It's been running about that much for, you know, we've had
negotiations with Police, with Fire. We did a re-opener for UPW, and now we're
just kind of in the last stages of dealing with the HGEA workers. We still have two
units that are outstanding. I'm assuming if the Council chooses to approve this
item, you would have two outstanding units. And that would be Unit 3 and then
Unit 14 for HGEA. Then, that would conclude this round of contract negotiations.
The unfortunate part is everybody's contract expires next year. So, the beginning of
the year, we'll start negotiations for the upcoming expiring contracts.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: The only thing that caught my attention was
the vacation, sick leave, and holidays. It says, "21 percent of total increased cost
subject to fringe benefits."
MR. BRILHANTE: I'm not sure if Ms. Sako is out or if someone from Finance is
out in Konaoh, even better, she's here in person. That's a calculation. There's
been no increase in the number of sick days allowed, vacation days allowed. I think
just the cost associated with them and the increases are being reflected in that
number. But I'll let Ms. Sako, who's the expert in the Finance area, discuss that
matter.
(Note: At this time, Finance Director Deanna Sako came forward to address
the members of the Council.)
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MS. SAKO: Good afternoon. So, the vacation, sick leave, and holidays are
basically 21 days sick, 21 days vacation, and usually 13 holidays per year. So, that
works out to 21 percent. So, to give the complete picture of what it costs us for
these raises, that is applied to the increased cost. But the bolded number right
above that is really what our out-of-pocket cost will be.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Okay. So, it's 21 days of vacation, 21 days of
sick, and then
MS. SAKO: Typically, 13 holidays per year, except in an election year it's 14.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: So, you get one, two, three, six weeks of—is
vacation separate from sick leave?
MS. SAKO: Yes, it is.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Whoa, that's nice. I've never had that in the
private industry.
MS. SAKO: And you get the same benefits, by the way.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I wish everyone could have that in the world.
That would be beautiful. Okay, thank you, Deanna.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any other questions? Seeing none, all in favor say "aye."
Vote on Res. 407-19: The motion to adopt Res. 407-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff–9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Resolution 407 is adopted. I know there's—maybe I
should just go back to the top and go down. There's somebody waiting for 363, but
let's just go to 362 and go down the line.
Return to Order The Acting Chair directed the Council to return to the order of business.
of Business:
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Res. 362-19: AUTHORIZES THE PAYMENT OF FUNDS OF A LATER FISCAL YEAR
AND OF MORE THAN ONE FISCAL YEAR FOR A MULTI-YEAR LEASE
FOR THE HAWAII COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT
Authorizes the Mayor to enter into a five-year lease agreement for 150 mobile data
terminals, with the cost for the entire five years not to exceed $450,000.
Reference: Comm. 554
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
Approve: FC-78
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to adopt Res. 362-19 and Finance
Committee Report No. 78. Seconded by Mr. Richards.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any discussion?
MS. DAVID: Chair, I just wanted to note that this passed out of Finance with
unanimous approval, and I ask for your continued support.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. All in favor, say "aye."
Vote on Res. 362-19: The motion to adopt Res. 362-19 and Finance Committee
(Adopted) Report No. 78 was carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carried.
Vote on Motion Ms. David moved to suspend Council Rule 15 to waive the
to Suspend 5-day hold for reconsideration of Res. 362-19. Seconded
Council Rules: by Mr. Richards and carried by the following voice vote:
(Approved)
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
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ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries.
Res. 363-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT
Transfers $2,079,110.50 from the Finance Administration & Budget Salaries and
Wages account and credits to various department's Salaries and Wages accounts,
for overtime costs associated with the first quarter of Fiscal Year 2019-2020.
Reference: Comm. 555
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
Approve: FC-79
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to adopt Res. 363-19 and Finance
Committee Report No. 79. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any questions?
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, I don't have a question. I just wanted to make a
comment about
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay. Ms. Kierkiewicz.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Well, about the Prosecuting Attorney's Office. Not all of
their, well, actually their attorneys don't get paid overtime. And so, I just wanted to
make a special note about Kelden Waltjen who was the employee of the year. He
worked 300 hours in overtime to make sure that the job got done. So, thank you,
Kelden. Thank you to everyone at the Prosecuting Attorney's Office—all the
attorneys that don't get compensated for their work that work incredibly hard
because they believe in serving the County.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you for letting us know. Mr. Richards.
MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, thanks, Chair. I think there's someone who should be in
Chambers in Hilo if there's any questions for them. Is that accurate?
(Note: At this time, Supervising Legal Clerk Lea Cooper came forward to
address the members of the Council.)
MS. COOPER: Good afternoon, Council. My name is Lea Cooper. I'm from the
Prosecutor's Office, and I supervise the clerical unit. So, if there are any questions
as to why we have so much overtime this first quarter, I'm happy to try to answer
them.
MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, Chair?
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ACTING CHR. EOFF: You still have the floor.
MR. RICHARDS: Give us a thumbnail's sketch of why the overtime, please.
MS. COOPER: Okay. So, we have been asking for five years now for new
positions to be funded by the County for our clerical unit. Finally, we got two new
positions this year that will start January 1st. So, I think this will do a great deal to
alleviate the amount of overtime that people work. And I'd like to note also that it's
not only attorneys that are working overtime without claiming. Many of our
clerical do the same, although we try to discourage it. They sneak in to get the
work done.
We had several clerks retire this year, and there seems to be a gap in hiring of at
least four months—between the time that you advertise the job, interview, do the
background checks. And then, also, we have a fingerprinting requirement now that
has to be sent out to Oahu that adds more weeks to the time between one person
leaving and a new person coming in. During those puka periods, it takes all the
other clerks jumping in to do the job that would normally be done by that clerk
who's now not being replaced right away.
So, in Kona, we have had until now almost a revolving door in vacancies we
believe because of the high cost of living in Kona. But I think now we've
succeeded in stabilizing the Kona office with some really good employees who are
committed to being there long term. The district court unit in Hilo suffered from a
staff deficit this year of two-and-a-half workers out of five. So, half of the unit was
gone, whether it was long-term medical leave or just unable to fill the position. For
example, there was a Legal Clerk I position that had no applicants on the list that
we would get from HR (Human Resources). There just simply were no applicants.
So, half the unit was doing the work of an entire unit when that unit, even when
full, is still short staffed. Do you want me to keep going?
MR. RICHARDS: Yes.
MS. COOPER: Okay. It seems that the complexity of the cases, at least in our
district court unit, have increased, which puts a big strain on the clerks who are left
to prepare calendars, draft documents, prepare discovery, and update our own
tracking database. I believe that all of you have heard, perhaps ad nauseam, about
the Spillman System this year. So, I really don't want to beat a dead horse there,
but that took an incredible amount of time to learn, and then the HPD (Hawai`i
Police Department) took it away from us. So it was, well, basically wasted time
spent trying to learn their database, which then they decided that they didn't want us
to use it after all.
As for the judiciary, the judges especially—there's a lot of per diem judges now
who demand more documentation for preliminary hearings. And the new rules that
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relate to the unshackling of defendants means that cases take longer, they're
continued more often, and they require more clerical staff to reissue subpoenas and
redo discovery.
So, there's a number of things coming into play. Nobody wants to work overtime,
but I just can say for a fact that there's a lot more overtime worked than is claimed.
And we'd like to thank you for the two new positions they we are getting. They're
just critical in helping us get the work done.
MR. RICHARDS: Okay. Thank you. And this goes back, I think, to the
conversation we had when we were over at the Prosecuting Attorney's Office in
budget time where we knew you guys were pressed back then. This sounds worse.
So, that explains it to me. Thank you, Chair. I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. Any other comments? Seeing none, all in
favor say "aye."
Vote on Res. 363-19: The motion to adopt Res. 363-19 and Finance Committee
(Adopted) Report No. 79 was carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Resolution 363 is adopted.
Res. 387-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO YWCA OF
HAWAII ISLAND FOR THE 2019 FAMILY VIOLENCE SUMMIT
Transfers $750 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 6); and credits to the Office of the Prosecuting Attorney, Other
Current Expenses account.
Reference: Comm. 586
Intr. by: Ms. David
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to adopt Res. 387-19. Seconded by
Ms. Lee Loy.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Do you have any comments?
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MS. DAVID: Yes, I just would like to thank the Prosecutor's Office for this
program and ask for your folks' support. Mahalo.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. All in favor, please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 387-19: The motion to adopt Res. 387-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 387 is adopted.
Res. 388-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO YWCA OF
HAWAII ISLAND FOR THE 2019 FAMILY VIOLENCE SUMMIT
Transfers $750 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 3); and credits to the Office of the Prosecuting Attorney, Other
Current Expenses account.
Reference: Comm. 587
Intr. by: Ms. Lee Loy
Vote on Res. 388-19: Ms. Lee Loy moved to adopt Res. 388-19. Seconded by
(Adopted) Mr. Richards and carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Resolution 388 is adopted.
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Res. 390-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO WAIAKEA
HIGH SCHOOL PARENT, TEACHER, STUDENT ASSOCIATION FOR THE
2020 WAIAKEA HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT GRAD NIGHT
Transfers $1,000 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 3); and credits to the Department of Liquor Control, Public
Programs account.
Reference: Comm. 589
Intr. by: Ms. Lee Loy
Vote on Res. 390-19: Ms. Lee Loy moved to adopt Res. 390-19. Seconded by
(Adopted) Mr. Richards and carried by the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 390 is adopted.
Res. 391-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO
KURTISTOWN ASSEMBLY OF GOD FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF
EXPENSES INCURRED AT THE PUNA KIDS PARTY 2019
Transfers $750 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 5); and credits to the Department of Liquor Control, Public
Programs account.
Reference: Comm. 590
Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder
Motion to Approve: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder moved to adopt Res. 391-19.
Seconded by Ms. David.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any comments?
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: This was a way to kind of promote family fun
on Halloween through this church that came to me, one of my town halls. And I
just was happy to be able to give money to this. So, I look for your support.
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ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. All in favor, say "aye."
Vote on Res. 391-19: The motion to adopt Res. 391-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 391 is adopted.
Res. 392-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO
MOUNTAIN VIEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PARENT, TEACHER,
STUDENT ASSOCIATION FOR MOUNTAIN VIEW ELEMENTARY
SCHOOL'S `OHANA DAY EVENT
Transfers $5,000 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 5); and credits to the Department of Liquor Control, Public
Programs account.
Reference: Comm. 591
Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder
Motion to Approve: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder moved to adopt Res. 392-19.
Seconded by Ms. Kierkiewicz.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Comment?
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I really don't feel like there's anything better
that we can do than to give money to the kids in our districts and to the schools in
our districts, especially when they are underfunded and they need some love and we
have $100,000 to give. So, I will continue to try and support this. I ask you to
support this, and I hope that you have schools in your district you can do the same
for if you haven't already.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. All in favor, say "aye."
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Vote on Res. 392-19: The motion to adopt Res. 392-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 392 is adopted.
Res. 393-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO MALAMA
O PUNA FOR EXPENSES RELATED TO THE 6TH INTERNATIONAL
SCIENTIFIC WORKSHOP ON RAT LUNGWORM DISEASE
Transfers $1,750 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 5); and credits to the Department of Research and Development,
Agriculture Other Current Expenses account.
Reference: Comm. 592
Intr. by: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder
Motion to Approve: Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder moved to adopt Res. 393-19.
Seconded by Mr. Richards.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any comments?
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I would like to give Rene Siracusa a
compliment for running Malama `O Puna and being very helpful when it comes to
being a 501(c)(3) that sponsors and helps put on different events in Puna. I look for
your support on this. I see others are supporting this as well, that this is an
interesting battle that we have right now. I hope we can find a solution for it. It's
kind of disturbing actually. It is disturbing, this disease. Thank you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you.
MR. RICHARDS: Question.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Mr. Richards.
MR. RICHARDS: Matt, do you have any details on the event at all?
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MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: On this event that's happening?
MR. RICHARDS: Yeah. Because, I completely agree with you, and I fully support
it `cause it is a goofy disease and we don't know enough near about it. It's kind of
funny, but our County's really taking that initiative to go forward. I was just
wondering if you knew `cause in the testimony they said it's exceeded their
expectations, which is really good.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: I do not. And I just hope that no one else
catches this `cause it's horrible. I don't like the way that it breeds. I don't like the
interaction between rat and snail, and it's just this horrible kind
MR. RICHARDS: Don't think too hard on that stuff I can scare you with other
stories.
MR. KANEALI`I-KLEINFELDER: Then, it even makes us want to not eat the
food that we're growing in our backyard. It's just a really interesting disease. I
don't like it at all. I mean, what else do you need to say? So, I'm happy to support
this. Thank you, Tim.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. All in favor, say "aye."
Vote on Res. 393-19: The motion to adopt Res. 393-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 393 is adopted.
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Res. 394-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO MALAMA
O PUNA TO ASSIST WITH EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THE
6TH INTERNATIONAL SCIENTIFIC WORKSHOP ON RAT LUNGWORM
DISEASE
Transfers $1,000 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 6); and credits to the Department of Research and Development,
Agriculture Other Current Expenses account.
Reference: Comm. 593
Intr. by: Ms. David
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to adopt Res. 394-19. Seconded by
Ms. Villegas.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Ms. David, would you like to make a comment?
MS. DAVID: Yes, I just want to ditto what Mr. Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder has said and
also say thank you to Rene Siracusa because it's a great thing to get a handle on,
and I hope we do, as much as we love our salads ourselves. So, thank you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. All in favor, say "aye."
Vote on Res. 394-19: The motion to adopt Res. 394-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 394 is adopted.
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Res. 395-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO MALAMA
O PUNA TO ASSIST WITH EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THE
6TH INTERNATIONAL SCIENTIFIC WORKSHOP ON RAT LUNGWORM
DISEASE
Transfers $2,000 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 7); and credits to the Department of Research and Development,
Agriculture Other Current Expenses account.
Reference: Comm. 594
Intr. by: Ms. Villegas
Motion to Approve: Ms. Villegas moved to adopt Res. 395-19. Seconded by
Ms. Poindexter.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any further comment?
MS. VILLEGAS: Don't make all the faces, but I agree that this is a really
challenging infection to deal with in all of its different capacities and different
carriers. So, I'm excited for them to meet and be able to discover some new means
of dealing with it. So, I thank you for your support.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. All in favor, say "aye."
Vote on Res. 395-19: The motion to adopt Res. 395-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 395 is adopted.
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Res. 396-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO HAWAII
ALLIANCE FOR COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO
ASSIST WITH EXPENSES FOR A TWO-DAY WORKING MEETING OF THE
VIBRANT HAWAII ISLAND LEADERSHIP COUNCIL
Transfers $4,000 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 7); and credits to the Department of Research and Development,
Business Development account.
Reference: Comm. 595
Intr. by: Ms. Villegas
Motion to Approve: Ms. Villegas moved to adopt Res. 396-19. Seconded by
Ms. Kierkiewicz.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any comments?
MS. VILLEGAS: I would just ask for your continued support, as many of us have
identified Vibrant Hawaii as a worthy and productive and positive working group
in our community.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. All in favor, say "aye."
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, one second, please, if I may.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Oh, I'm sorry.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: No, no. I just needed to disclose that I'm one of a couple
dozen members that sit on the leadership council. So, I just wanted to share that
and also thank my colleague and other members of this body for supporting this
growing collective action movement. Thank you.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. All in favor, say "aye."
Vote on Res. 396-19: The motion to adopt Res. 396-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
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ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 396 is adopted.
Res. 397-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO THE AUTISM
SOCIETY OF HAWAII TO ASSIST WITH EXPENSES RELATED TO THE
11TH ANNUAL SURFERS HEALING HAWAII EVENT IN HILO
Transfers $800 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 9); and credits to the Department of Parks and Recreation,
Administration Other Current Expenses account.
Reference: Comm. 596
Intr. by: Mr. Richards
Motion to Approve: Mr. Richards moved to adopt Res. 397-19. Seconded by
Ms. Lee Loy.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any comment?
MR. RICHARDS: Just we've had this come before us. We don't need to spend
anymore time. We all seem to support good things. I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. All in favor,please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 397-19: The motion to adopt Res. 397-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 397 is adopted.
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Res. 398-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO PUNA
MAKAUKAU FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF EXPENSES RELATED TO THE
HAWAII COUNTY CITIZEN CORPS VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION
LUNCHEON
Transfers $600 from the Clerk-Council Services —Contingency Relief account
(Council District 4); and credits to the Civil Defense Agency, Other Current
Expenses account.
Reference: Comm. 598
Intr. by: Ms. Kierkiewicz
Motion to Approve: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to adopt Res. 398-19. Seconded
by Ms. Lee Loy.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any comment?
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Yeah, I just want to say thank you to Patti Pinto for reaching
out to me to support this event. It was a really well-organized and attended event
where we could honor the dozens and dozens of volunteers who stepped up during
last year's eruption and selflessly. There were so many that were impacted by that
event. So, I'm glad to have supported and to honor many of the volunteers in our
community.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. All in favor, say "aye."
Vote on Res. 398-19: The motion to adopt Res. 398-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 398 is adopted.
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Res. 399-19: TRANSFERS/APPROPRIATES AN APPROPRIATION OUT AND FROM A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT AND CREDITS SAME TO A
DESIGNATED FUND ACCOUNT TO PROVIDE A GRANT TO HAWAII
ALLIANCE FOR COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO
ASSIST WITH VIBRANT HAWAII ISLAND
Transfers $7,500 from the Clerk-Council Services –Contingency Relief account
(Council District 4); and credits to the Department of Liquor Control, Public
Programs account.
Reference: Comm. 599
Intr. by: Ms. Kierkiewicz
Motion to Approve: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to adopt Res. 399-19. Seconded
by Ms. Lee Loy.
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: I think we all know what Vibrant Hawaii does, but I wanted
to take this opportunity to thank my Legislative Assistant, Christine Kahikina
sorry, I'm getting a little emotional here—for all of her work because she's going to
be leaving our office at the end of the month. She and her husband are moving
back to the Mainland, so I'm very sad to be losing two incredible people. I'm
bummed to be losing her, but I'm so happy that she put up with me for these
11 months and all of our projects and our legislation. So, I'm just incredibly
grateful. And thank you for putting so much time and heart and passion into
everything for District 4 and really helping to serve our community. So, thank you.
I yield.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you, Ms. Kierkiewicz. Okay. All in favor,
please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 399-19: The motion to adopt Res. 399-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff–9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 399 is adopted.
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Res. 404-19: AUTHORIZES THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO AN
AGREEMENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND INDUSTRIAL
RELATIONS, PURSUANT TO HAWAII REVISED STATUTES
SECTION 46-7, FOR A WORKFORCE INNOVATION AND OPPORTUNITY
ACT GRANT
Funds in the amount of$64,806 would be used to assist at-risk businesses with
rapid response activities to prevent lay-offs or closures, and layoff aversion
services to assist displaced workers through training,job fairs, workshops and
other activities.
Reference: Comm. 606
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
Waived: FC
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to adopt Res. 404-19. Seconded by
Mr. Richards.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Comments?
MS. DAVID: Thank you. The department requested a waiver of this reso.
(resolution), and I think we have Alisa Hanselman in Hilo, who's the Assistant
Housing Administrator, and Sandra Goodale and Christine Nguyen. If they could
come forward just to explain the expedited request and what this grant is for
briefly, ladies. Thank you for your patience.
(Note: At this time, Assistant Housing Administrator Alisa Hanselman and
Housing and Community Development Specialist Sandra Goodale came
forward to address the members of the Council.)
MS. HANSELMAN: Hi. Good afternoon, Council Members. Alisa Hanselman,
Assistant Housing Administrator.
MS. GOODALE: I'm Sandra Goodale, the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity
Act Specialist and staff to the board.
MS. HANSELMAN: So, basically, Rapid Response is a program under WIOA
(Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act). They step in when there's a business
closure or a mass layoff to provide services to dislocated workers, to enable the
dislocated workers to transition to new employment as quickly as possible. We also
step in for lay-off aversion strategies and provide dislocated workers with
information, resources and services.
MS. DAVID: Thank you very much. Great program. Also, the request to expedite
the funds is because there's a deadline, I assume.
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MS. HANSELMAN: Yes, the program year ends, this resolution is for program
year 2018 funds, which will expire on June 30, 2020.
MS. DAVID: Okay, great. Thanks a lot. I yield at this time. Mahalo, ladies.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. Any other comments or questions,
Council members? Seeing none, all those in favor please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 404-19: The motion to adopt Res. 404-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 404 is approved.
Resolution 405.
Res. 405-19: AUTHORIZES THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO AN
AGREEMENT WITH THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE,
PURSUANT TO HAWAII REVISED STATUTES SECTION 46-7, FOR A
GRANT TO THE OFFICE OF THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY
Funds in the amount of$769,895 would be used for two positions and associated
costs for the 2019 Sexual Assault Kit Initiative Investigation and Prosecution
program.
Reference: Comm. 607
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
Waived: FC
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to adopt Res. 405-19. Seconded by
Mr. Richards.
MS. DAVID: This is also another request for a waiver to expedite the receipt of
funds. And I'm not sure if we have anyone from Prosecutor's Office, but my
understanding is that the time period for this is October 2019 through September
2021, and it's for two positions plus fringes. So I'm not sure if I'm explaining it,
but there is a need to expedite this to get those funds.
MR. RICHARDS: Chair?
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ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. Mr. Richards.
MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, I believe the Prosecuting Attorney, Mitch Roth was there
for the meeting but had to leave. I think you explained it pretty well, Finance Chair.
MS. DAVID: Thank you.
MR. RICHARDS: So I'll definitely support and yes, expedite.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. Okay, all in favor, say "aye."
Vote on Res. 405-19: The motion to adopt Res. 405-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carried. Resolution 405 is approved.
Resolution 406.
Res. 406-19: AUTHORIZES THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO AN
AGREEMENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND INDUSTRIAL
RELATIONS, PURSUANT TO HAWAII REVISED STATUTES
SECTION 46-7, FOR A WORKFORCE INNOVATION AND OPPORTUNITY
ACT GRANT
Funds in the amount of$64,172 would be used for rapid response and layoff
aversion activities.
Reference: Comm. 608
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
Waived: FC
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to adopt Res. 406-19. Seconded by
Mr. Richards.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Ms. David.
MS. DAVID: Yes, thank you. Ms. Hanselman, again, this is an expedited request,
so just a brief summary of what this is, please?
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(Note: At this time, Assistant Housing Administrator Alisa Hanselman
came forward to address the members of the Committee.)
MS. HANSELMAN: For this one, it's for the program year 2019. But from what I
understand, we need to spend 2018 monies first. So it just got, like he spoke, put
together.
MS. DAVID: Okay, thank you. I yield, Chair. Thanks.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay, thank you. Any other questions? Seeing none, all in
favor,please say "aye."
Vote on Res. 406-19: The motion to adopt Res. 406-19 was carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Resolution 406 is adopted. Let's go down
to bills for first reading, Bill 109.
BILLS FOR Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
ORDINANCES: Bills for Ordinances (First Reading).
(FIRST READING)
Bill 109: AMENDS CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE 40, SECTION 2-207 OF THE HAWAII
COUNTY CODE 1983 (2016 EDITION, AS AMENDED), RELATING TO
REFERRAL OF BILLS FOR ORDINANCES TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL
MANAGEMENT COMMISSION
Revises provisions relating to the 45-day period for review of amendments to
Chapters 20 (Refuse) and 21 (Sewers).
Reference: Comm. 532
Intr. by: Mr. Richards
Approve: AWEEMC-13
Motion to Approve: Mr. Richards moved to pass Bill 109 on first reading and
adopt Agriculture, Water, Energy, and Environmental
Management Committee Report No. 13. Seconded by
Ms. Lee Loy.
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ACTING CHR. EOFF: Mr. Richards, you have the floor.
MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, thank you, Chair. This is something that's come through
Committee and we had a long discussion on this. This was coming in discussion
with Director Kucharski as far as expediting and streamlining government.
Essentially what this does is allow us to have a conversation while something is
with the Environmental Management Commission, so it can go concurrently rather
than sequentially, and then speed things up.
It also has provisions in here that if for some reason as it's coming through Council
that there's a substantial change to the bill that resets the clock and they get more
time to evaluate it. Again, the whole point is the Director says this will expedite
things so we don't bogged down in the process. So I ask for your support.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: And if I'm not mistaken, we still need to have
recommendation come back to the Commission before have decision making.
MR. RICHARDS: Yeah, we can take—if you read the final thing, no final action
can be taken unless we have a response back from the Environmental Management
Commission.
MR. HENRICKS: Just a minor correction. If they don't respond, there is neither a
favorable nor an unfavorable recommendation. It's just essentially that they didn't
respond. The Council can then move forward after that period has elapsed.
MR. RICHARDS: The Clerk is right. If they don't respond within the 45 days,
then it's considered a no, that won't stop the process going forward.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. Any questions, Council Members? This is on
first reading. None, all in favor, please say "aye."
Vote on Bill 109: The motion to pass Bill 109 on first reading and adopt
(Approved) Agriculture, Water, Energy, and Environmental
Management Committee Report No. 13 was carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff–9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
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ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Bill 109 will move to second reading.
Bill 111.
Bill 111: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 09-90A, WHICH RECLASSIFIED LANDS FROM
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL— 10,000 SQUARE FEET (RS-10) TO
INDUSTRIAL—COMMERCIAL MIXED —20,000 SQUARE FEET (MCX-20)
AT WAIAKEA HOUSELOTS, WAIAKEA, SOUTH HILO, HAWAII,
COVERED BY TAX MAP KEY: 2-2-050:043
(Applicant: Trevor R. Rodrigues) (Area: 45,800 sq. ft.)
The Windward Planning Commission forwards its favorable recommendation for
this amendment, which will allow a five-year time extension to comply with
Condition D (Time to Complete Construction) and Condition F (Future Road
Widening). The applicant is requesting to construct a veterinary clinic with
25 parking stalls, as well as two other buildings for commercial office and
warehouse space. The property is located along the north side of East Kawili
Street at the corner of Laukapu Street in the Waiakea Houselots.
Reference: Comm. 545
Intr. by: Ms. Kierkiewicz (B/R)
Approve: PC-35
Motion to Approve: Ms. Kierkiewicz moved to pass Bill 111 on first reading
and adopt Planning Committee Report No. 35. Seconded
by Mr. Richards.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any discussion?
MS. KIERKIEWICZ: Chair, if there are questions, I can call members from the
Planning Department from their office, but this came before Planning Committee,
and this is a favorable recommendation.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Okay. All in favor, say "aye."
Vote on Bill 111: The motion to pass Bill 111 on first reading and adopt
(Approved) Planning Committee Report No. 35 was carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
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ACTING CHR. EOFF: Bill 111 will move to second reading. Bill 116.
Bill 116: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 19-73, AS AMENDED, THE OPERATING
BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAII FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
ENDING JUNE 30, 2020
Appropriates revenues in the Federal Grants —Workforce Innovation and
Opportunity Act account ($64,806); and appropriates the same to the Workforce
Innovation and Opportunity Act Rapid Response 19-20 account. Funds would be
used to assist at-risk businesses with rapid response activities to prevent lay-offs
or closures, and layoff aversion services to assist displaced workers through
training,job fairs, workshops and other activities.
Reference: Comm. 606
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
Waived: FC
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to pass Bill 116 on first reading.
Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: And this is the companion to Resolution 404.
MS. DAVID: Yes, thank you. I ask for your support.
Vote on Bill 116: The motion to pass Bill 116 on first reading was carried by
(Approved) the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Bill 116 will go to second reading.
Bill 117.
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Bill 117: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 19-73, AS AMENDED, THE OPERATING
BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAII FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
ENDING JUNE 30, 2020
Appropriates revenues in the Federal Grants —2019 Sexual Assault Kit Initiative
Investigation and Prosecution account ($769,895); and appropriates the same to
the 2019 SAKI Investigation and Prosecution account. Funds would be used by
the Office of the Prosecuting Attorney for two positions and associated costs for
the 2019 Sexual Assault Kit Initiative Investigation and Prosecution program.
Reference: Comm. 607
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
Waived: FC
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to pass Bill 117 on first reading.
Seconded by Mr. Richards.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Any discussion?
MS. DAVID: This is a companion to Resolution 405, and I ask for your continued
support.
Vote on Bill 117: The motion to pass Bill 117 on first reading was carried by
(Approved) the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Bill 117 will move to second reading.
Bill 118.
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Bill 118: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 19-73, AS AMENDED, THE OPERATING
BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAII FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
ENDING JUNE 30, 2020
Appropriates revenues in the Federal Grants —Workforce Innovation and
Opportunity Act account ($64,172); and appropriates the same to the Workforce
Innovation and Opportunity Act Rapid Response 20-21 account. Funds would be
used for rapid response and layoff aversion activities in Hawaii County.
Reference: Comm. 608
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
Waived: FC
Motion to Approve: Ms. David moved to pass Bill 118 on first reading.
Seconded by Mr. Richards.
MS. DAVID: Just ask for your continued support.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Thank you. All in favor, say "aye."
Vote on Bill 118: The motion to pass Bill 118 on first reading was carried by
(Approved) the following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Bill 118 will move to second reading. Okay, dropping
down to Order of the Day, Bill 106.
ORDER OF Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
THE DAY: Order of the Day (Second or Final Reading).
(SECOND OR
FINAL READING): (Note: Bill 101, Draft 2, was taken up previously, out of order.)
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Bill 106: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 19-74, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO PUBLIC
(Draft 2) IMPROVEMENTS AND FINANCING THEREOF FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
JULY 1, 2019 TO JUNE 30, 2020
Reappropriates lapsed fuel tax funds from past fiscal years by establishing the
following program appropriations to the Capital Budget: North Kona Engineering
Project ($13,847.15); Roadway Projects (Engineering) ($5,253,455.15); Bridge
Inspection, Repair and Replacement Program (Engineering) ($1,764,363.84); and
Local Road Improvements (Highways) ($1,343,254.62), for a total of
$8,374,920.76.
Reference: Comm. 522.2
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
First Reading: November 6, 2019
Note: Requires 2/3 vote of the entire
membership to amend, pursuant to
Section 10-6(e), Hawai`i County Charter
Vote on Bill 106: Ms. David moved to pass Bill 106, Draft 2, on second and
Draft 2 final reading. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy and carried by the
(Adopted) following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Bill 106, Draft 2, is adopted. Bill 107.
Bill 107: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 19-74, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO PUBLIC
IMPROVEMENTS AND FINANCING THEREOF FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
JULY 1, 2019 TO JUNE 30, 2020
Adds the Public Works Kino`ole Street Shoulder Improvements project for
$6.7 million to the Capital Budget. Funds for this project shall be provided from
General Obligation Bonds, Capital Projects Fund—Fund Balance and/or Other
Sources.
Reference: Comm. 523
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
First Reading: November 6, 2019
Note: Requires 2/3 vote of the entire
membership to amend, pursuant to
Section 10-6(e), Hawai`i County Charter
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Vote on Bill 107: Ms. David moved to pass Bill 107 on second and final
(Adopted) reading. Seconded by Mr. Richards and carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Bill 107 is adopted. Bill 108.
Bill 108: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 19-74, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO PUBLIC
IMPROVEMENTS AND FINANCING THEREOF FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
JULY 1, 2019 TO JUNE 30, 2020
Adds the Public Works Kawili Street Shoulder Improvements project for
$4.45 million to the Capital Budget. Funds for this project shall be provided from
General Obligation Bonds, Capital Projects Fund—Fund Balance and/or Other
Sources.
Reference: Comm. 524
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
First Reading: November 6, 2019
Note: Requires 2/3 vote of the entire
membership to amend, pursuant to
Section 10-6(e), Hawai`i County Charter
Vote on Bill 108: Ms. David move to pass Bill 108 on second and final
(Adopted) reading. Seconded by Mr. Richards and carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Bill 108 is adopted. Bill 110.
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Bill 110: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 19-73, AS AMENDED, THE OPERATING
BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAII FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
ENDING JUNE 30, 2020
Increases revenues in the Contribution from Private Source account ($1,500); and
appropriates the same to the Clerk-Council Services Other Current Expenses
account. Funds would be used for travel and other expenses incurred from
Council Member Rebecca Villegas' attendance at a climate summit and
conference in New York City.
Reference: Comm. 540
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
First Reading: November 6, 2019
Vote on Bill 110: Ms. David moved to pass Bill 110 on second and final
(Adopted) reading. Seconded by Ms. Villegas and carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries. Bill 110 is approved. Bill 112.
Bill 112: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 19-73, AS AMENDED, THE OPERATING
BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY OF HAWAII FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
ENDING JUNE 30, 2020
Increases revenues in the Federal Grants —Substance Abuse Prevention
Coordination account ($110,000); and appropriates the same to the Substance
Abuse Prevention Coordination account, bringing the total appropriation to
$260,000. Funds would be used by the Office of the Prosecuting Attorney for
salary and program expenses.
Reference: Comm. 556
Intr. by: Ms. David (B/R)
First Reading: November 6, 2019
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Vote on Bill 112: Ms. David moved to pass Bill 112 on second and final
(Adopted) reading. Seconded by Mr. Richards and carried by the
following voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: Motion carries.
REPORTS: Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
Reports.
(Note: All items in this category were taken up previously, out of order.)
REFERRALS Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to proceed to the next order of
FOR Referrals for Executive Session.
EXECUTIVE
SESSION: (There were none.)
OTHER Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
BUSINESS: Other Business.
(There was none.)
ANNOUNCE- Acting Chair Eoff directed the Council to proceed to the next order of business,
MENTS: Announcements.
(There were none.)
ACTING CHR. EOFF: I believe that takes us to the end of our agenda.
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ADJOURNMENT: There being no further business, at 2:56 p.m., Mr. Richards moved that the
meeting be adjourned. Seconded by Ms. Lee Loy and carried by the following
voice vote:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David,
Kaneali`i-Kleinfelder, Kierkiewicz, Lee Loy,
Poindexter, Richards, Villegas, and
Acting Chair Eoff—9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
ACTING CHR. EOFF: We are adjourned. Thank you very much, Council
Members.
DEC 182019
Council Approval:
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