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Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting
Minutes – May 14, 2019
Game Management Advisory Commission
County of Hawaii
Minutes
Meeting Date: May 14, 2019
Time: 6:30 p.m.
Place: Hawaii County Building – Council Chambers
I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL: Meeting was called to order at 6:30 pm.
Stanley Mendes, District 1 – here
Kean Umeda, District 2 – present
James O’Keefe - District 3 – present
Naniloa Poglen, District 4 - here
Abraham Antonio, District 5 - present
Grayson Hashida - District 6 - here
Bronsten-Glenn “Kalei” Kossow, District 7 - here
Teresa Nakama, District 8 – aye
George Donev, District 9 - present
Quorum established
ALSO PRESENT: Malia Hall, Corporation Counsel
Donna Urban-Higuchi, Executive Assistant to Mayor Kim
GUESTS: Wao Kele o Puna – Palikapu Dedman
History of the Game Management Plan – Richard Hoeflinger
Game Management Plan – Department of Land and Natural Resources
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
BKK: Teresa Nakama moved for approval of the April 15, 2019 minutes as
submitted. Seconded by Nani Poglen and carried unanimously by voice
vote.
FINANCIAL REPORT:
BKK: Teresa Nakama moved for approval of the April 30, 2019 financial report
as submitted. Seconded by Abraham Antonio and carried unanimously
by voice vote.
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STATEMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS:
BKK: Is there anybody in the public that’s wishing to testify at this time?
PRESENTATION:
Wao Kele o Puna – Palikapu Dedman
BKK: The Chair recognizes Teresa Nakama for the introduction of Mr. Palikapu
Dedman.
TN: Aloha and good evening – members of the Committee and members of the
public – I would like to introduce our first guest speaker – Palikapu Dedman of
Pele Defense Fund. Mahalo for being here Palikapu.
PD: Palikapu Dedman, Pele Defense Fund – I like pick up where I think Terri left
off – if people were uneasy – had any problems – I saw the video – there was
emotions on some peoples’ faces while she’s talking so if you got anything
that you want to talk about that disturb you I’m here. So no comment to what
she was saying representing Pele Defense Fund the last meeting? Any
comments?
TN: I think she did a wonderful job – it gave me insight of what you folks have
done over the years and mahalo, Terri, for doing what you did and if anyone
else had questioned her about...
PD: That little history about how this all was created...
TN: I didn’t quite get that – could you give us a brief overview?
PD: It was all started with Billy’s time during campaign time – Billy needed the
votes - Dominic Yagong was doing the whole campaigning against Billy – we
started to organize the hunters – hunters came to see us on support – on
some of the issues that DLNR was gonna be doing with forestry and hunting,
eradication – so we all got together and Yagong came as a Councilman to
organize with the hunters the language to create this Game Management
Plan. That was all started away from Billy but as Billy started to need more
votes toward the end – he started to take over the hunting commission. I’m
not wishing nobody bad luck but that didn’t work out so well for everybody –
especially the fish and game – because you folks sitting in a position after
how many years of its creation and I see a lot of your agendas that you deal a
lot with entertaining DLNR – the reason why we were after making our own
fish and game was to create our own consciousness and ideas, rules and
laws for our own Island. I mean, you can stick all the rest of those islands in
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the Kau District – that’s how small it is and we don’t need to be compared by
hunters or ideals or biologists from someplace else. We on this Island should
be running our own island. These resources we had before we had Statehood
– Statehood came in ’59 – we supposed to be controlling and running our
own resource protection, environmental protection – it all should be coming
from this Fish and Game because there is no other department that deals
with that in the County. The fish and game was supposed to take the lead in
preserving forests, its environment, its species and the hunting and fishing
situation on this Island. DLNR always had a bag habit of coming to every
island and telling everybody what they want and we have to yield to that every
time and they’re not from here – but we had to yield to their ideals and their
ways so this is important for us to create this organization or this game
management. Too bad it got tangled up in political people’s minds and
attitudes but it was all with the heart of every hunter about taking care of this
Island. Its future, its resources. We did a lot of study, man, if you guys talk to
Civil Defense – what do we got on a disaster – two week of food? Go do your
homework and find out how important our game is and our future for that
game and the protection of that game. Your position as this GMAC was to
make rules for our Island – to challenge DLNR – they’re not supposed to
come here and tell us what to do. We are citizens who pay taxes to a local
government – this government’s responsible for its people who pay the taxes
and that’s this Island. So you should be making rules and regs and getting it
through this County Council in support of making ordinance – making
moratoriums on the actions of DLNR and more protection about our
resources – the palila bird argument – gosh, you know what that was? Early
Seventies with 20,000 mouflons – what you got? Six hundred now? The birds
went increase? What’s wrong with this Commission – making an inquiry about
this whole palila bird – the palila bird situation and start preserving our
mouflons. And why not apply these mouflons to these rare unique species
that it is. Do some study. There’s no other place that has mouflons but this
Island. This commission should be putting some kind of protection status for
this mouflon and challenge the palila bird – they never got more birds – they
killed a lot of mouflon, though, but they never get anymore birds – so that
argument that was used to protect these birds and killing all the mouflons is
already – should be reevaluated – it don’t apply today to what they used back
then in the Seventies. This Commission got to be more strong about it – and
dealing with fish too. You can’t have DLNR come out and make decisions on
how we take care of our fish on this Island. How aquarium fishermen get
permits or don’t get permits. That’s the responsibility of you folks. This is the
responsibility of this commission – to start looking out for the environmental
things that comes with this Island way before you guys came, right, I’m
speaking as one Hawaiian that really got abused and if you lived in Hawaii
you know dat – no Hawaiians in any of your homelands telling any of you
people what to do but you all over here telling us how to live, where to live,
how to practice, how we should survive – you should be embarrassed. We
one Hawaiian – we should be telling you how you should act and how you
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should be. Look at the situation we in – Hawaiians fault – yeah, maybe their
fault for not saying nothing – that’s what you always say – but you guys
practice all that pollution, eradication – now what I call a sacred food is an
ungulate – what’s an ungulate – invasive species? We’ve been using pork in
our ceremonies for how long till today – now why is that classified as an
invasive species? What about the foreign mind that brought that concept?
That’s an invasive mind and species. Wise up man. We not really all that
dumb Hawaiians over here. We know what we want – we know what we did –
we know where you should go – and it ain’t in the hands of foreign people –
second, third generation migrant babies – look where you’re at man – focus –
I never asked – no Hawaiian asked anybody to come here – they impose their
ideals and themselves and now we got what? Situations where we’re the
worst race in this State – the fastest to die – the highest on social statistics –
and yet we number five in the census. Ahh. Do your guys homework. Feel
more strong for this Island and the people in it. Start submitting language to
protect this place. Start changing attitudes amongst your peers. Start doing
game management. Get all your hunters together in every district – tell you
how much pigs they catch – how much boars they see – how many billies
they see – how many \[unclear\] – what part of the district they stay in – start
getting one count about all your resources in this district – you guys go
organize your hunters if you’re representing any hunters – get a count, get a
map, get everybody kokua – so at least get a head count of how much game
we got – then we can understand where get droughts, where get too much,
where for move game – where for hunt more game – get your game plan
management back – no wait for the State – they no more – they don’t know
how – and how does Molokai fit o here? How does Oahu game fit o here?
They don’t fit. You are the fit – make it fit. Be right this time.
TN: Pali – are you saying that because we don’t have our game management
plan together with discussions with the hunters that we have not been able to
move forward to make rules and regulations?
So how do we go about pooling all the hunters’ resources?
PD: I’m from Kau and we call hunters call a meeting – the hunters come. Then
when they come you give them the idea about how and where they hunt on
the map and say what you see – what you caught. So we know how much
game – at least some kind of count about where they stay and who hunting.
Spread that – that’s the hunters’ responsibility to start looking out for his
resource. Then at least you guys get a head count on how much game stay in
each district all the way to wild cows, goats, sheep, pigs – then you give them
an idea, at least, where the resources stay and how you can concentrate on
moving it around with the climate change and the weather and the droughts
and the hunt over here no hunt this side but at least get one game count.
Start getting all the hunters together to give you one game count. Put your
map together on where stay and what resources they saw.
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TN: What would you call that when we – if each of us in the nine district did such a
event and we called out onto the hunters – does everybody here feel that
would...
PD: They’re supposed to do that. You get your hunters in your district together –
that’s who you represent sitting there – put up notices – get together, man,
never worked the first one do another one. Be serious about what you want
and you only want a head count – you just want an animal count and
everybody can do that. What they see – what they record and it’s all for the
purpose of looking for the future for their own kids as hunters. So hunters are
educators too.
TN: How does that fit in with Puna Wao Kele Forest – that you have been an
instrument...?
PD: That forest got taken up by Tutu Pele so there’s not much – there’s just
kukupas left in the forest – no more game too much in there but they’re still
hunting in Wao Kele and that was a hunting right for native Hawaiians –
people got to understand that there’s a State Constitution that separates a
Hawaiian for the general public. Go read it so you understand that there’s
laws that you gotta comply with and there’s laws that you gotta uphold. Do
your homework. Read where the Hawaiian fits in your environment and you’ll
understand that he came with the environment – he should be fitting
everywhere in the environment.
TN: What was your case in Puna Wao Kele Forest?
PD: It was on hunting – hunting and gathering rights – that the State gave it to the
private person – which his Campbell Estate – we challenged Campbell Estate
because people got arrested hunting-gathering and we won the law suit – that
the State did not have a right to swap our rights away to a private landowner
– so you see – when we beat one private landowner – the State, the County,
the Feds all have to yield because we rights in them – not private – they us,
so, if we beat somebody private the rest should be very well understood that
our rights come with them too. Just did a lot of homework, man, it did a lot of
challenges – I’m not here to blow smoke, man, that’s just how it is. And if
you’re gonna drag ass and go try fight lawyers or wait for the State, wait for all
the people – we in the same situation – more population coming – stuff
disappearing – subdivisions growing – resources depleting – pollution taking
over – commercialization – come on – throw up the fence already and this
game commission gotta throw up fences to protect this Island and no scared
– the State got to deal with you – and you got your own rules and laws – you
got your own Corporate Counsel – he’s supposed to be standing up for this
County – no get scared of the State – they’re the problem – they only came in
’59 like I said – this stuff was here way before them and our responsibility
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living on this Island is to make that stuff for our kids – that’s about how we
should be looking at it.
NP: Wao Kele o Puna – so then OHA bought it – then after?
PD: The idea was this – they had a forestry legacy program – the Feds had
money – Dan Inouye made a deal with the Indians in Alaska – you give me
that oil line – I’ll give you the forest – and our forest came with a federal deal
for them to put up 3 million dollars to Campbell, OHA put up 250 and the
State write off - $11,000,000 million – so the whole forest went to OHA hiding
behind the State and the federal program. So Wao Kele can never be
developed because it’s under a program from the Feds on a legacy protection
program – so it can never be developed for development – it’s just got to left
alone as a reserve and that’s fine. But at least you can hunt, you know. At
least you can have reproduction or seed bank and whatever you like call ‘em
but that’s what happens in forests if you keep it protected. It’ll keep producing.
NP: Isn’t Wao Kele under DLNR management right now?
PD: It’s under DLNR management to the agreement of OHA – Office of Hawaiian
Affairs – but they cannot stop us from hunting cause that was a lawsuit that
was won based on hunting and la’au gathering – medicine gathering.
NP: Can they fence in Wao Kele?
PD: That lawsuit is a – that lawsuit is not a settlement. So anybody can use that
lawsuit as a gathering rights. In fact, our lawsuit is being taught at Richardson
School of Law right now at the University of Hawaii, Manoa on gathering
rights they using our lawsuit as a template for gathering rights – so that much
difference we’ve made – I don’t know about other suits but that’s where ours
is at.
NP: So how much of the Wao Kele got taken by the lava?
PD: About half of it already.
No more the resource, no more the pigs. They move out, you know. And I
think they all in the subdivisions now.
NP: In due respect, Pali, but, you know, we’ve been really trying hard and you’re
actually preaching to the choir – we – there’s all these things we feel what you
say and we are advisory so we cannot be the boss – we don’t have power –
we’re just advisory – and we’ve been doing our best to work with DLNR – you
can ask these guys – we try really hard...
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NP: Actually, it’s a hard job – very discouraging, very challenging and if anything –
we need a pat on the back really, actually, so, you know, a pep talk would be
good.
PD: No, just get tougher man, you just can’t sit back and wait for the State to take
the lead in anything. State has been the reason why this was created. The
State was great – we no need this. We no need be grumbling to nobody – we
just go along with the flow – that’s the problem – we’ve been doing that and
they’ve been taking over – and all of sudden their ideals – sit in a cubicle in
Honolulu becomes us – now we not that – we live out in the resources – we
still using resources – and we’ll be strong enough to protect them – I think you
guys should be doing that – you should be changing your mentality and
saying that it’s about – not just the pigs – what they eat? What they eat? They
drink water, too, I mean, you got to be involved with the whole environment
that our resources need to survive – you gotta be involved in that and not let
that be somebody else’s kuleana – their kuleana – it’s all inter-related – the
pigs not waiting on one platter, you know that - they live in one forest that
needs a lot of protection too – so you got to get involved with that part too – I
think. I wanted to say that – this Commission – take away hunting and
become the registered the hunters – the County takes away that – takes the
lease from the State – all the State land and you become the place to apply
for hunting license – cause you hunt on this Island. Would be the Game
Commission set that up – it could run itself – you got fines that may come in
on violations, you put that in the kitty but the County could be running their
own game and license to come in and do hunting. You take care your
resource to the end and protect ‘em and generate your own revenue cause
everybody gonna grumble about, aw, it’s a budget, budget item cost money,
cost money – brash – you never get one rifle range yet. Plenty \[unclear\] out
there – I don’t know what the hang up, but, ah... Anyway...
TN: With all your mana’o you’ve given us I was wondering if you could help guide
us also?
If we call a hunters meeting can we call you to be a part of it.
PD: Anytime, no problem.
TN: I’m all game for calling in the hunters cause I have a hard time maybe
because I’m wahine and, you know, they don’t take me seriously...
PD: Well, then you go find one hunter that will work with you and then they would
be part of – connected to the other hunters. Like you say – you just getting
one game count – you just want to start understanding the game in your
district and be responsible and that’d be the easiest way to start doing it is
people just report what they catch, what they see – where they saw ‘em –
mark ‘em on a map – next time they go hunt another spot – you get the same
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thing like that. Then you get together once a month – you selves is hunters –
and meet to get a pavilion at the park – someplace – and bring out the map
and show and discuss and get involved more – I think you got to get involved
with the hunters a little bit more direct and let them be part of the planning
and everything and no make the bureaucratic style that you just tell ‘em, you
just tell ‘em, you just tell ‘em. No, they got to listen to them – they should tell
you folks the ideas and how the things should be run – so anyway – I give
you kokua – just call.
TN: Mahalo, Pali for being here.
Anybody else have questions?
NP: Thank you, Palikapu.
History of the Game Management Plan – Richard Hoeflinger
BKK: The Chair recognizes Nani to introduce Mr. Richard Hoeflinger.
NP: Before I introduce Richard – I’d like to give a little bit of background of
tonight’s discussion on game management. So this last month I wrote emails
to Bob Masuda – Deputy Chair of the DLNR and trying to persuade or request
work be continued on a game management plan that’s been in process for
over ten years and so, actually, I did get some response and Bob Masuda
organized a meeting with Dave Smith – DOFAW Administrator – and Jim
Cogswell, Wildlife Program Manager, and Shaya Honarvar, the DOFAW
Game Program Coordinator and Shaya called me and she said that they’ve
agreed to push a game management plan forward, which is good news and
she said that they agreed to do it in a timely fashion – and then they assigned
Kamal Sproat and Ian Cole to be our assistants and we’re so lucky to have
Steve Bergfield here tonight too – thank you so much you guys for coming –
so Richard Hoeflinger is gonna give us – as no one else can – the history of
the efforts made for a game management plan – he’s sort of like the father of
it – the beginning – the working group person – so thank you so much
Richard for coming.
RH: You’re welcome.
NP: So as Richard’s talking – think about the questions you might have about a
game management plan cause we’ve got the guys here to answer for us.
Thank you.
RH: What I’m going to do this evening is tell you a story about a job that started
almost 12 years ago and I’ll lead you through what I remember transpired in
that time. This is a game management plan – and I’ll tell you how it this –
where it is now. It’s 175 pages – it has 70 illustrations, 90 references and 9
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recommendations. So that’s – Alva Leopold for those of you who don’t know
him – one of the fathers of conservation along with Teddy Roosevelt. So in
late 2007 a group of hunters from this Island met at Waimea with the DLNR
Forestry and Wildlife people – this was the Scott Fritz was new at being a
Wildlife Program Manager – he had just come aboard – and the hunters
requested that a plan be developed so we could sustainably manage Hawaii’s
game resources. In early 2008 a working group was established – it was
composed of DLNR representatives and Island hunters – it was determined
early in the meetings that this probably would never get done also we had
dedicated leadership so a job description was written for a Game
Management Planner that were and one was hired. The scope of the plan
was limited to Hawaii Island – early in the discussions of trying to develop a
scope for the plan – we reviewed the hunting rules and at that time it was
determined that that would be such a big issue to revise that we set it aside to
stay focused on the game management plan. From 2008-2010 we developed
a – what was gonna go into the plan – we worked on individual sections and
at the conclusion of finishing each section we had a review meeting – we all
sat down face-to-face – and there were 12 such meetings held over the
course of that 2008-2010...
RH: In April of 2010 – this plan was submitted – Hawaii Island Game Management
Plan: A Five-Year Plan for the Management of Hawaii Game Animals – that
would be from 2010 to 2015 and the plan was submitted to DLNR. This is
what was in the plan – you can read ‘em if you like – this is the index – but
you can see there were – we pretty much discussed all of the issues – each
one was a chapter on to its own – we discussed all of Hawaii Island’s game at
that time – individually – a history – there’s the contents of the plan – you can
read ‘em yourself – we discussed all of the animals, as I mentioned, the land
resources, we did a section on the economics of hunting – we talked about
the human resources that were available and developed goals and objectives,
etc. and there’s the recommendations, the references – all the rules we
looked at and some – all the illustrations. From April 2010 to April 2017
nothing happened. The Plan was submitted and it disappeared. Every once in
a while we would ask about what was going on and we never got any kind of
response – meanwhile – the working group diminished – some people died –
some left. This was the original working group - you can see the disposition –
the ones that died – you’ll notice that DLNR was a viable, contributor to the
plan – I listed the names of those that contributed and in April of 2017 we got
an email – the survivors of the working group – were emailed a version – a
revised version of this Game Management Plan – we just got it and there was
no discussion on what we were supposed to do with it or where they were
gonna have meetings or whatever. Again, the original plan was developed by
the working group of hunters and DLNR – but it was modified without any
notation of where the changes occurred. We tried to go through and compare
the original plan with the modified version using some software that went
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page – you could look at both pages and it would tell you what had changed –
it didn’t work – we got to about page 3 and it blew up because the plan was
just all shuffled. Couldn’t follow and there was no pagination on any of the
new stuff. But it appeared that the current DLNR staff opinions significantly
differed from the DLNR members that participated in the original draft and as I
mentioned as presented the revised version of the plan was – we just couldn’t
do anything with it. It appeared that there were a number of PC insertions that
provided no discernable benefit to the management of the game resource –
there was stuff in there that I have no idea why it was stuck in a game
management plan. In March of 2018 there was a State GMAC meeting held in
Hilo – the game management plan was one of the items on the agenda – the
current DOFAW Administrator said that DOFAW really – that DLNR didn’t
really need a plan – it had a hunting program and a couple of us kinda
jumped on him for that but it makes no sense – a hunting program is part of
management plan – it isn’t a management plan. So the GMAC chair
recommended a minimum of four DLNR and Plan participant follow-up
meetings – that was what came out of the GMAC meeting. In May of 2018 –
Tom Lodge and I were the only ones that did have work commitments during
it for a day meeting – we met with DLNR – we were told there would be no
management plan for mammals and that the game bird plan would be
contracted to an outside source. It wasn’t what we hoped to hear and the
meeting ended abruptly with no follow-up. That gets us here.
NP: Thank you, Richard. So now we have representatives here to answer
questions...
BKK: I’m sorry – is there anybody that wants to ask any questions to Mr. Hoeflinger
before we move on?
GH: Mr. Hoeflinger – can you briefly just summarize some of the nine
recommendations that was originally made?
RH: Well, you caught me unawares. I’m gonna have to look it up:
1) Establish an effective game management program
2) Facilitate cooperative management
3) Quantitatively analyze game animal populations
4) Characterize available game habitat
5) Remove legislative impediments
6) Revise hunting rules
7) Reorganize the hunter education program
8) Develop standard operating procedures
9) Publish a hunting newsletter – number 9 did get done. There is now a
newsletter on the web. I don’t think anything else happened.
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GH: So at the time there was no other push besides you and Tom to – like to
follow up on the meetings or anything like...? Yeah, so there was no one else
pushing?
RH: I know nothing other than that Nani indicated she got a telephone call from
DLNR indicating some work was gonna go on – I received an email from Mr.
Masuda who kinda said the same thing – but I don’t know what that’s gonna
be.
TN: Why aren’t we doing anything? Why aren’t we acting upon this as our project
as game management?
RH: Who is we?
TN: The Commissioners. I mean, I don’t have a copy of that and yet in the front
cover it says do not distribute.
RH: That’s right.
TN: I don’t understand that. We are here as Commission members and we cannot
be receiving a copy of this?
RH: You’re asking the wrong person, ma’am. I can’t answer that question.
TN: As you being part of the working group – why hasn’t that been...
RH: The plan is unpublished, ma’am.
TN: It was never published.
RH: It’s the property of DLNR.
TN: It’s the property of DLNR.
RH: That’s correct.
TN: And the original copy is whose property? The original.
RH: It’s all – belongs to DLNR. DLNR funded the development of the plan.
NP: So Shay told me that they were gonna follow the original draft plan of 2010.
RH: If you’re asking me what Shaya’s gonna do, I can’t answer that...
NP: No, I’m not asking – I’m just saying as something to bounce off of her
questions. So is that what you guys heard?
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KS: Yes.
NP: Yes, thank you Kanalu Sproat.
GH: Mr. Hoeflinger - What are some personal take away lessons you’ve taken
from this whole process?
What are some take-away lessons you’ve taken from this process?
RH: What lessons did I take from the process? Is that the question?
GH: Yes.
RH: I guess I’d rather not say.
Game Management Plan – Department of Land and Natural Resources
KS: So we were instructed by – Kanalu Sproat – DLNR – we were instructed by
our administration to basically update because the plan is so old to basically
update it but to use the current plan as the framework for the update – that’s
what we were instructed to do.
NP: You mean the 2015?
KS: So – they started drafting this plan in 2008, right?
But, we – like I said – we were instructed to just update it because some time
has passed but to use the existing framework of the plan so basically use
what’s there and just update it with current goals and objectives and current
information. That’s what we were told to do.
TN: Kanalu – 2008 or 2015?
KS: Well, 2008 is when they started drafting it, right?
RH: The working group was formed in 2008. We had the initial meeting late in
2007.
GD: Do you plan on collaborating with our commission in establishing the plan?
KS: So we were instructed to draft it internally first and then bring it to you guys –
so our internal draft is just a draft and then we bring it to you for comments –
so, yes, but we draft it first. Does that make sense? That’s what we were
instructed to do.
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NP: So the one that you’re gonna work on is it the original or is the one that was
revised where Richard explained that it had gotten all jumbled and they
couldn’t even work with it. So which one are you gonna start from?
KS: All of them. We were sent all – the original – so we have the original and we
have the revised version...
We’re gonna work with both to make an updated plan.
?: So what’s the time frame of getting all this going because if you guys going
draft ‘em then going come back to us and then we going do the whole thing
and do our thing and back to you guys and then it’s only going be one tennis
game...
KS: We didn’t discuss a time frame and I have the same questions.
GD: I find it slightly ironic with what Palikapu Dedman said earlier in the meeting
how with little input that the County gets to do with the State and then – now
we’re hearing – OK. DLNR is gonna draft this internally and then bring it to us
for comment. It seems like...
NP: Or, no, aren’t you guys gonna be working with us? I mean, the Commission
on that or?
KS: We were told to draft it internally and then bring it to you for your comments
after that.
TN: Where do we put our objection? Seriously.
KS: I don’t know.
TN: Seriously, I mean, this is a plan for our people – the people that we represent
– DLNR does not represent us – I’m sorry – they’re a political entity telling us
what to do when it should be us telling them what to do. We should be a part
of it – so what is the message we need to give to DLNR to say it should be a
cooperative thing – not a one-sided thing. Because if they’re telling you –
ordering you to draft something to tell us what to do – that’s not our purpose.
Our purpose is to be cooperative – where is the cooperation from DLNR to
us. They are responsible to hear us – not we’re responsible to hear them.
This is such a backwards instruction given to you that we haven’t even – I
can’t even fathom...
BKK: Teresa – is there a question?
TN: The question would be – how do we object to this?
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KS: I would suggest to take those concerns and this is also what we were
counseled – through your State GMAC representative and to – so that’s
Ryan, right, Kohatsu, take those concerns to him and he can bring it up at the
next State GMAC meeting is what we were instructed. I understand what
you’re saying – there maybe there’s other ways that I don’t know but that’s
how we were instructed to counsel you.
TN: So we as an advisory board are being counseled by the State and we’re the
County of Hawaii – on our natural resources. You don’t have an answer...
KS: I mean – we’re tasked with managing State lands and State resources and so
we – whether you like it or not – have to go by State laws and State rules and
part of that is the State Game Management Advisory Commission – so I
would try to work through that.
KU: Who has the authority to make the decision? I’m sorry Kanalu – I know you
gotta take a lot of gas here but you’re an employee so who has...
KS: I take it every time I come...
KU: Who has the final authority to make the decision? Is it Bob Masuda or just the
person’s name? I’d just like to know...
KS: The Governor.
KU: The Governor – OK. I see. Good to know.
KS: Am I wrong? I’m glad my boss is here too.
SB: Aloha, Steve Bergfield with Forestry. I would suggest if you’re asking for a
person to talk to go to the chair of our Department and the representative on
the State GMAC is First Deputy, Bob Masuda, so if you make that
recommendation then between our chairperson – Chair Case – and Deputy
Masuda and our administrator Dave Smith – those are the three main people
that will give direction on things that we’re asked to do.
NP: Can we make the request to you and you can take it to them?
SB: You can – but I think it’s also...
NP: Richard – wait a second – don’t go yet...
SB: You certainly can make recommendations through us and we will share that
with those three people that I just mentioned but I think another way to do that
is to it through the State GMAC Commission, which was formed by state law.
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NP: My request is really simple – that a Game Management Plan in the writing of
it would be all about sustainable game management – that that’s what it
would be about and shouldn’t it be about sustainable if it’s about our game –
a management plan for our game – shouldn’t it be to sustain them – make a
plan their sustainable. And the reason I asked you to stay Richard is cause I
wanted to ask you in a nutshell – what is good game management?
RH: Oh, I’m sorry. Are you talking to me?
NP: Yes, in a nutshell – what is good game management?
RH: Well, it’s right here is somewhere – all I got to do is find it. Hang on.
NP: I just wanted to be really clear that we want a policy of good game
management...
RH: How’s that – well, I’ll read it to you.
NP: Well, your own words are good...
RH: This is Aldo Leopold in 1933 – in his book – game management. “Game
Management is the art of making land produce sustained annual crops of wild
game for recreational use.”
SB: I suggest that the Commission drafts a letter and sends that to our
Chairperson describing what you want to see in that plan.
NP: Pretty much did.
TN: What happened to home rule? We’re the County GMAC Commission – how
come we can’t make our own home rule? To be part of your game
management plan – not you telling us what to do – but we sharing our
information with you so we can collectively put a management plan together.
AA: Abraham – isn’t there a constitutional right – Hawaii Constitution that states
you guys supposed to protect our game?
NP: That they’re entrusted – they belong to the people...
AA: It belongs to the people and it’s entrusted – a constitutional right. So why is
there – I see there is a need of a game management plan – but as far as all
the eradications and stuff I know the part of endangered species – and
invasive species and all that – but it’s a constitutional right that you guys
should have stopped the Feds for even coming in in the first place and doing
all that.
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SB: I can’t speak to that – I wasn’t part of that – that happened a long time ago.
AA: It happened a long time ago and then it also wasn’t revised yet either, right?
SB: No. I know it was challenged once in the early 90s and it failed.
AA: And it failed.
SB: Yes.
GD: Going forward now – considering that – are you going to be able to implement
that into the plan effectively?
SB: Exactly what are you asking...?
GD: What Abraham was just talking about.
SB: About protecting game mammals...
AA: Protecting all our game not only our mammals our birds, our fish – the
Constitution says you guys supposed to protect our game management and
our resources.
SB: We’re tasked with that and we’re also tasked with protecting all the species...
AA: All the species... But it’s almost like a one-sided thing – only endangered
species get priority out of everything else.
SB: Yeah, sometimes that happens.
NP: Do you guys know who’s gonna be in the group that’s gonna do the next
draft? Who are the members?
KS: Myself and Ian were tasked with drafting it.
NP: Oh, so it is – and then you’re gonna submit it...
KS: Probably in conjunction with Shaya. So working together.
TN: Are you gonna incorporate Article 12, Section 7 and the other Constitutional
rights to protect our game animals – I mean you have to look at that.
KS: I need to – I don’t know – I can look that up – I don’t know that article – I’m
sorry that I don’t, but, yeah, I mean, if it’s appropriate I don’t see why not but I
don’t know what that article states.
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TN: So it’s something that you need to look into.
KS: Yeah. So Article 12, Section 7?
TN: Article 12, Section 7 and there’s others. And do you have the number,
Abraham, of the protected game animals that you were talking about?
BKK: This is Kalei – that’s HSC Article 11, Section 1.
RH: Before I leave Nani, if I could make a recommendation to all of you people.
You will never get a game management plan without an appointed leader to
get the job done – it’ll never happen – you have to have dedicated leadership
to get it done – that’s number one. Number two – they output of a group is
inversely proportional to the number of people that participate in it – so think
about it.
TN: I agree with you. Thank you for your suggestion, Richard.
NP: Thank you so much, Richard.
TN: That was Teresa.
NP: So what you guys are saying is like we’re out and the State Game
Management is in and whatever influence we might have at the County
commission we have to go through the State Commission. Is that what you
said?
KS: I wouldn’t say that you’re out – what I’m saying is that our department is
responsible to the State GMAC Commission by the statute that was put
together but we also – us on Hawaii Island that work here – we’ve also been
working with County GMAC since the inception and we hear your voice
because we understand that it’s the same as what other people are voicing at
the State GMAC so it’s not like we not gonna listen to what your
recommendations are. But that’s an official avenue of putting forth your
thoughts and ideas to our administration.
SB: If I could make comment real quick. And so we’re drafting it internally but
before it ever gets – goes out into I guess being applied – we bring it to you –
so we are asking for your comments and revisions – we just are going to draft
it first. Does that make sense? And then, but before we ever start doing
anything and applying those things internally, we bring it to you and ask for
your comments and your – it’s – it’s not exactly as you want it – which I
understand – but it’s not – we’re not keeping you out of the loop completely.
Does that make sense? And, if not, I can try again.
BKK: Is it normal to have a plan, oh, sorry, was that a question?
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SB: He asked me to try again. So we’re gonna draft our plan internally and then
bring it to you for your review and comments before we start applying it – and
then implement, you know, address your comments – maybe – put – make
changes accordingly – so that’s what we were told to do.
BKK: Is it normal that the Department creates and drafts its own rules? Or plans
before it is presented to the public?
SB: I would say it’s normal to just put together a framework of what staff thinks the
plan should be and then it’s put out to comment after that and then that’s
when we take into account everyone else’s comments...
BKK: So if there were high objections to the plan – and the plan moves forward –
where does it leave the hunters or people involved in that community?
SB: Well, I think part of the process is that we take those comments into
consideration and if no one can support the plan then, I mean, because this
plan, I would believe, would be taken to the Board for approval. The Board of
Land and Natural Resources, so...
TN: I’m confused. The initial working group was both parties. Now why isn’t there
a task force within your order of saying, you know, by the way boss – we
should include the hunters and not just us because the initial working
management plan that was submitted to you folks was done by both parties.
So why can’t we have the same situation? The same working group, I mean,
with new faces, of course, but the template is there. You have a template. We
want to be a part of it. I mean, that is something you need to deliver to your
boss – the original template was done with two parties – not just by one party.
It’s ironic that you come back to us and say, we’re better than you. I mean, I
feel that that’s how it’s coming from the top – not you two – but the top of you
two. I feel that they say we’re better than you so we’re gonna do this without
you – when the original working template is already there done by hunters
and DLNR – so why can’t we have the same situation.
NP: Teresa? These men want to work with us and they actually have their hands
in a lot of ways. It’s not...
TN: How can we untie your hands? Seriously. How can we untie your hands? Do
we have to go to DAG – do we have to do a lawsuit? I mean, that’s what it’s
coming down to.
SB: I would share your concerns with the two State GMAC representatives for
Hawaii Island and I would also outline that in your letter that I mentioned
earlier about describing that to our chairperson and just say that you want to
be a part of this process.
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And like Kanalu explained, I mean, you’re gonna be a part of the process –
it’s just that they’re cleaning up a few things in the plan and then they’re
gonna ask for your comments and I would suggest that once it’s shared with
the County GMAC then you guys share that with your constituents in each of
your districts for their comments.
NP: I would like to make a request when you guys are sitting down working on this
that as Palikapu mentioned and it’s been mentioned so many times before is
– would it include that there would be a count of the game animal in – say any
given area – a count that will be protected – that will...
SB: I think they have the game check-in stations that hunters supposed to be
checking in – is a voluntary process so the hunters need to go in it – sign in –
it’s for that reason.
NP: The count of the game animals...
SB: Yeah, it’s for that reason.
KS: That was one of the objectives that Mr. Hoeflinger had in that drafted game
management plan and, I mean, I wouldn’t remove that so – and we do it on
some levels for some species already – so, yes...
NP: And then maybe, um, habitat improvement could possibly be worked through
– change their rules and regulations somehow...
KS: Modifying habitat for game is something that would definitely require statutory
changes.
NP: Right, exactly. But it’s possible, right?
SM: Kanalu, Stanley... We need to provide, though, for these animals. These
animals especially in Puuanahulu/Puuwaawaa they getting sick – they no
more water. I haven’t seen the damage that, you know, when you guys come
and say, oh, they eating up the native plants – but I haven’t seen the damage
that you guys claim, I mean, the lama trees that growing there – the ohia – I
no see ‘em being, you know, de-barked or – they browse on ‘em but, you
know, I no see any damage as far as they – they mostly whacking the small
young grasses coming up but they need water cause they sick. Something
got to be done now to – it’s just like cruelty to animals what is happening.
GD: Who has the final approval for the game management plan that you’re gonna
put forth – is that DLNR itself, is it some other body – how does it get
approved?
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SB: I would say it has to have the support of our administrator and then that’ll be –
and our Chair and Deputy Chair and then it would be taken to the Board.
GD: And so it’s essentially implemented internally without any vote by any
representatives of the people?
SB: Well, the Board – all the Board meetings are public meetings – testimony can
be submitted to the Board in favor or against anything that’s put together at
the Board.
GD: So this would be a game management plan for our County without the input
of our advisory commissions or the County – implemented by a board that’s
on a State agency that isn’t even directly overseen by any – say like
legislative representatives or anyone like that.
SB: No, I think you missed what our conversation earlier about that the plan – the
draft plan will be shared with the game commission for your comments.
GD: Right, but that’s not binding is it? That’s just like how – how do we know you’ll
take our comments in good faith and implement that? Is that something we
can count on? Is that something that we’ve seen in the past?
SB: I can say we’ll take your comments in good faith and, um, submit those
comments to the Board. I can’t guarantee you that all your comments are
gonna be...
KU: Steve, ah, this Kean – my question is – in the 50 states in the United States
are you familiar that – correct me if I’m wrong – but we’re the only state that
does not have a game management plan. Are you familiar with that or is that
something that I’m incorrect?
SB: I don’t know the answer to that.
TN: I believe we have members of the public that want to ask question. Is it OK,
Chairman, that they have two minutes to ask a question?
BKK: Yeah, they can come up at any time and grab one of these mics – as long as
they state the name for the record. But I have a question – as far as the
content of the plan – is there any changes from 2008 draft or whatever – it
sounds like there were five different plans that we’ve created but whatever
draft there are – is there like content we can look at before you guys start
creating your own draft and what changes do you plan on making.
KS: I’m not ready to start talking about changes or anything because the last time
I read that plan was – I mean I glanced through it today – but the last time I
read it, read it was about two years ago. There were things that stuck out in
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my mind that – so one of the objectives was to change our – get rid of
statutory limitations, um, I’m not saying that’s wrong – that’s just – that’s a lot
easier said than done basically, so I don’t know if I would remove that or if I
would word it differently but removing statutory limitations on what we are
allowed to do as an agency or not is not just wave a wand and it happens. So
there were a lot of things that were very similar to that that things that are
really are out of our control as an agency – things that we cannot do – so I
would look at revising those things. Sorry, like I said, I read that plan a couple
of years ago, um, so I can’t go into details on it and I’m not ready to say what
I want to change now. I would say, I mean, we’ll try – we should have a
discussion internally about what kind of time frame we can have to get a draft
back to you guys – maybe by the next – your next meeting we can have a
time frame. I’m sorry, I’m committing myself – that’s not a good thing but
maybe that is a good thing.
TN: Pali you want to ask a question?
BKK: Then go ahead and re-state your name for the record...
PD: Palikapu Dedman. I’d like to say a little bit about our lawsuit that we had
against DLNR and that was the Kau fencing in Kau. And they did a study and
they were talking about fencing off about 14 miles and putting little ladders
over the fence for the hunters – but then again it’s like shooting fish in one
aquarium – you know, you hunt between the fence till you no more nothing
left. That was the idea of how to use the hunter to be part of the eradication
program – by giving them that kind of ideas – they came into the community
DLNR and talk and hide LLC people cause they had to do an EA study about
what the impacts gonna be in that forest and it was State land so it belonged
to everybody – not just DLNR. So we took it all the way up the Supreme Court
and by the time we took it to the Supreme Court it took about three years and
in those 3 years – DLNR took a lot of our arguments and created bills that
years to answer and plug all the pukas cause we had a lot of strong
arguments about their neglect so they took our arguments and started
correcting them at DLNR by passing bills to correct ‘em before we get to the
end of the court case which was three years down the road. So they took a lot
of our comments and fixed up their books real quick or changed lot of their
policies cause it made a lot of sense. The eradication program they had in
killing the rats – so they had that – what you call that – it’s a green type of
poison – and they used that...
PD: ....pellets. They used pellets to kill the rats but then the ‘io eats the rats – the
owls eat the rats – so they were killing their own native birds that they had
laws of protection – then the hunters would catch pigs – cut the opu open –
and they would see the green pellets inside. So it’s called Emmett Green, I
think, they use and there’s Emmett Brown – but the green was being used for
the rats but that’s an agent that goes inactivate when you drink water – so the
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pigs would run down to the where get water – the river – the creeks –
whatever – and they would drink that and activate it and a lot of them would
die so the contaminants are what going in the water from what DLNR was
creating. So anyhow – while that lawsuit was going on it was to protect the
alala birds so they was gonna make 14 miles of fence for one bird when your
bird needs cages not fences – but the idea was to get 10 million dollars to do
this project. We went after the DLNR – all the way up to the Supreme Court
and we lost at the Supreme Court – they said that they have a right to
regulate our rights as Hawaiians – the State – and our rights to these
protections of resources. But the idea was – we lost the lawsuit but that
project didn’t happen – so they lost the project because of our lawsuit they
moved that alala bird someplace else and I think the ‘io’s number one
predator is the alala bird from growing up time we know that – the cowboys
used to tell us a lot that they would see the ‘io \[unclear\] at all these black
ravens or crows because they were invasive looking to them – they eat the
other birds but they never eat the crow – so that was wiping out the crows
and the other wipe out was shooting ‘em – we’d get rid of them by shooting
‘em – because they was taking up the aina or taking up our place of hunting
and there was all signs over Hawaiians I mean over gathering rights – that’s
years ago. So I know that the process of DLNR going out and making rules
per se – if it’s rule making Chapter 31 or Chapter 13 rule making then that’s
not their making laws – they’re making policy – and when you make policy or
rules you gotta go out and do public hearings and the public hearings got to
give input before they go back and write up stuff – not they write ‘em and they
give ‘em to you and ask for your comments. The public gives comments then
they get all the comments back and then they do the draft. When there’s a
problem in the draft like we challenge – that’s when you get into the draft
stage – you’ve got 30 days to make this argument and the draft – then when
you don’t address your comments in the draft you get to put it – they’ll put it
into the final – then when it gets to the final of you not getting yours
addressed now you got 30 days to take ‘em to litigation – so that’s where we
took ‘em to court – all our lawsuits at Pele Defense Fund has been against
DLNR. It’s never really been against private people it’s the process of DLNR
and the permits that they give and it’s all about science and not about
subsistence. So you gotta be strong about saying I don’t care what you say –
we’re a government agency – we get paid by the taxpayer and I saw your
charter – the taxpayer put you in this position – not the Mayor, not the
Governor – so you got to stand up for those people that put you in this
position and challenge these people DLNR. I’m embarrassed that I pay these
guys my hard work tax dollar and they short change all the guys on this Island
because they get one comfortable job. That’s the name of the game. Comfort
– got a good job – really no care inside about where they live and the
resources – if they do they wouldn’t be doing this, if they really care...
TN: So Pali, if they’re taking orders from their boss – isn’t that who we should be
addressing?
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PD: I would address Susan Case a lot. I’d \[unclear\] her face as much as possible.
These guys all staff people. I’ll be dealing because of your level all at the top
and not with this. This is what you’re gonna hear all the time. Dime a dozen
saying the same thing over and over just for job comfort – they not going
really take care nothing.
TN: Would you suggest to us that we address this – as to how we address this
because as Pali says that the next level that we address is wouldn’t be you
because you’re just taking orders, as you say.
SB: I think I mentioned that earlier and Palikapu agrees with me on that that that’s
who you should be addressing your comments to as far as our chairperson –
our administrator – and say in that letter – like I suggested through your
GMAC representative for the State and then also directly to the Chairperson.
PD: And one thing I saw lack was – there wasn’t nothing about gathering rights
Article 12, Section 7. And it’s embarrassing that you guys work for DLNR and
you don’t know those rights. It’s all about native gathering rights and we only
gather in the beach – down the beach or in the forest. We don’t gather in
neighborhoods so... It should be something – you guys should be on already
– off the top – and when you make policies look if there’s conflict – no ignore
‘em and then we gotta go court. You know it’s a rule – look at that and see if it
applies and not bang each other when you make your process so no more
this kind humbug, you already went do your homework and that’s what you’re
supposed to be doing – sad that you still hear this stuff in two thousand – like
this at this time when this is like the 80s we were raising a lot of these
concerns and never grow man – I see the Department doesn’t grow. So you
gotta be more strong – no scared – submit your own management plan and
let ‘em go like this and figure out what’s this, what’s that, what this, what’s that
is. But don’t accept this at the last part and then they try fit you in with your
concerns – you should be up front – be part of the whole planning – if not –
plan yourself – and then give it to them so that when they do their plan you
got yours already that they got to incorporate in the draft. No scared, I mean...
TN: Pali? Would you be part of our planning?
PD: Yeah, if you like.
TN: Thank you, Pali.
TN: Terri Napeahi with Pele Defense Fund – since the last presentation that I
have given – there was some conversation with our community and I heard
from the State GMAC regarding the fact that, you know, and conversation
about there isn’t a State Management Plan because that was stated in my
last presentation and then someone from – a worker – an employee from
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DLNR – sent me a link to say that they had a game management plan already
– so in the conversation they – some of our hunters mentioned that what they
actually say that it’s not a game management plan – it was more of a control
and eradication plan, which is something that they’re concerned about – so I
think – the thought of having a game management plan – that is one of the
biggest concerns our hunters have – is it just to control and eradicate and
also the fact that I didn’t hear anything about our subsistence gathering – I
heard recreational hunting – nothing about subsistence gathering – which I
think is important – which is Article 12, Section 7 – very important – because
that’s Constitution – it’s not a rule and regulation and that’s all I wanted to
point out, OK?
GD: Now hearing about all these different concerns from the public and from our
commission – are you going to take that into account when writing and
drafting the game management plan going forwards?
AA: Anybody else from the public at any time and at any meeting you guys can
just come up and speak.
BKK: And then go ahead – press the red button and just state your name for the
record/
DE: My name is Danny Idos – I try to come to a lot of these GMAC meetings – I
went to some several years ago – there’s a lot of new faces – but I did bring
up something at a previous GMAC meeting several years ago when DLNR
was here – that was never touched on and I’m speaking on behalf of a lot of
my hunter friends. I’m – just to let you know that I’m a pig hunter – bird
hunter, a fisherman, bow hunter. I hunted pretty much all over this Island and
people that have been hunting here long enough have a concern and it’s
brought to my attention about – my question to DLNR is what’s being done
about the invasive weeds that are overtaking our prime hunting grounds. I
mean, all you got to do is go over there to Mauna Kea – or drive on Saddle
Road – and you see these – it looks deceiving – it looks like green – but it’s
these vines that are just overtaking our prime hunting spots. These are
hunting areas that used to have a lot of goats, a lot of sheep – a lot of birds
and so all we have left are these grounds that have no game – because I
know on the mainland where they do real game management – they do things
to sustain the game there – not only water – but they do like controlled burns
– some places for deer they do – they put food plots – but, um, just like Mr.
Umeda brought up - I think Hawaii is the only place that doesn’t have real
game management and I’m just a simple hunter here but I’m really concerned
because – and that’s why I try to go to these GMAC meetings is because it
affects all of us – all of us hunters – and fishermen – so I really don’t know if
they have an answer but the last time that I did ask DLNR that question –
they’re response was well we do some mowing. And we got laughter in the
audience and brother Hoeflinger – that just left – his response was bring in
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the goats. You know, he was trying to be funny but seriously – what can be
done about he invasive weeds. That’s something that we should be
discussing because it doesn’t seem to be touched on. And I wasn’t planning
to come up here but I just wanted to bring that up. This is something that
could be added to the game management if that ever happens.
TN: Earlier, you know, our lack of knowing what is out there – what has happened
in the past – and our hunters sharing it with DLNR – their knowledge – it fell
on deaf ears and because we didn’t have science with us and maybe now we
can share more information with DLNR and maybe they already knew that but
didn’t want to listen but we’ll have a guest speaker next month talking about
goats – having goats back into those areas to clear out invasive weeds. I
hope DLNR has science behind that but it you don’t then maybe we should
look in other areas that possibly may have answers for us. I mean, does
DLNR know about goats and weeds and how they take care of an area?
SB: I know we’ve seen that in a Kapapala Ranch uses managed goat herds to
control guava and other weeds to improve grazing habitat and Dick has
shared with me recently some information on the – how they use goats for
fuel breaks and stuff on the mainland.
NP: Would you like to share a little bit ahead of time about that.
TN: I’m sorry. There’s Mark Crivello in the back there – that’s gonna be our guest
speaker and he raises goats to take care of what a lawn mower would do but
he does it in a natural way. So Mark you want to – I know you’re not prepared
cause you’re not on until next month but just a little bit of information, Mark, of
what you’ve discovered that your goats do...
NP: For the draft game management plan...
MC: Mark Crivello – ‘Aina Pono Livestock and Land Maintenance – just quick one
about the goats and sheep – they are very useful helping us take care of our
land and natural waste – I do have a lot of research which I have done with
DUH and other organizations that we do have proof that my livestock can
clear a native forests without disturbing the native plants. They take out
invasive trees, grass, vegetations and if you utilize the right animals in the
right places you can make this work, so, um, hopefully, I could give you guys
a few insights on how things work with the animals like that – cause it is a
very touchy situation due to native plants, animal numbers and all that so it’s
gonna take lotta strategies and...
MC: It can be done and I have proof and hopefully next month I get to share with
you guys all these documents, pictures and so forth what we have done.
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GH: I have a question for DLNR. Mr. Hoeflinger showed us a slide of the original
people who worked on it – on the game management plan with DLNR and
community hunting members – it’s kinda like déjà vu for me – what can we do
so that 15 years from now they’re not putting up a slide of our names saying
we’re deceased and incapacitated and still having the same conversation
about a game management plan not being implemented. What can we do
differently this time?
SB: I think you need to hold us to task and keep reminding us that this needs to
move forward because we get busy with a lot of other projects that we’re
involved in – so everyone needs to make it a priority and help move it forward
quickly so that that doesn’t happen. And a commitment from everybody
involved.
TN: I’d like to share a bright idea. If I may – this is Teresa. Why not community
input first before you do your draft? Is that a hard action to take? I know the
instruction was you folks do the draft, OK, go ahead – do the draft – but what
about community input first? Something to think about.
Yes, so... Why not a whole community island-wide and information like this
would be helpful before you folks start your draft because you have no
information right now from the public to even think what the public needs are,
or what the public wants to share with you or the public’s knowledge – that’s
vital – you folks don’t have that – you don’t have ancestral knowledge. This is
Hawaii – this is not anywhere else – we’re unique – our island is unique, our
species are unique, our island style is unique and you go ahead and draft
something that is not island style, I’m sorry, I mean, I feel perplexed here that
you’ve not incorporated but why not public first and have a meeting island-
wide. Just a suggestion.
BKK: Is there any other questions from the commissioners? OK. Thank you,
gentlemen very much. Appreciate it.
KS: Thank you.
BKK: We’re looking at 6 a. on the Commission Rules and Regulations. Is there –
I’m gonna go ahead and table this because I don’t think I have amended it. I
don’t know, which one it was...
BKK: I’m just going to table it for now. Ah, 7 a. under New Business – the
Kaupulehu – under New Business – on behalf of the Commission I’ve written
a letter to the DAR Division on an update of the Kaupulehu Fish
Replenishment Area – the letter has been shared to the Commission and will
be placed on the – to the record. I hope it’s too have a briefing for the
Commission by the next meeting. Is there any other New Business any
commissioners want to bring up?
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GD: Not sure if any of the other commissioners have heard but, um, I think the
Hawaii Supreme Court has basically like rules against Hu Honua, um,
because, I’m not 100% sure and this may not be 100% accurate – but
basically because the agency responsible for reviewing Hu Honua’s
environmental impact failed to explicitly look at their greenhouse gas
emissions and other pollution impacts that any deal with HELCO like is void
because of that and so...
?: Excuse me, so what does this have to do with Game Management?
GD: Well, because Hu Honua came and presented to us so many times. I thought
it would be \[unclear\] to give an update to...
?: Yeah, so... That one should be kinda tabled too that, if I saying the right
words...
COMMITTEE REPORTS:
Government Relations – Bills update/Testimony
BKK: That was originally for Old Business so I’m gonna go – unless there’s any
other comments that is – needs to be made on the issue I’m gonna move on
to Committee Reports. Under 8 a. is there anybody from Government
Relations that wants to bring anything up? The Legislature ended two weeks
ago...
NP: No report.
Traditional and Customary Practices
BKK: No report. OK. Ah, Traditional Customary Practices?
TN: I was hoping that John Kaiapu from DOCARE would have been here to help
me with the update of Kaupulehu but I guess I’d like to move it to our next
meeting next month that we can talk about Kaupulehu.
Public Relations:
BKK: Under 8 c. Public Relations?
?: \[No answer\]
Shooting Range Working Group:
BKK: Any updated from the Shooting Range Working Group?
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JO: Yes, Jim O’Keefe here. Yes, the Mayor has tasked somebody on his staff to
work with us on getting some recommendations of where to proceed. We’ve
been working with – that person’s Malia – and we’ve been working with her
getting a summary of the kinds of things that are required for proper shooting
range safety, environmental management, hydrology, you know, the whole
works – and we have presented a list of several sites and the pros and cons
of those sites – the kinds of things that would take for each or any of them to
become a working group and we’ll be awaiting a response from the Mayor’s
Office on that to see where we go next.
BKK: Jim, what sites are those?
JO: That would be Puuanahulu, Puu Kaohe and 16-Mile.
BKK: Thank you. All right – next – Communications Committee? \[Pause\]
Committee on Mauna Kea Information sheep task force? \[Pause\] Anything
from the Committee on Wild Game? Nothing? OK. Anybody – any
commissioners’ reports?
COMMISSIONERS’ REPORTS BY DISTRICT:
NP: Not particularly for my district, but I made a motion that we respond to Tony
Sylvester’s request that we talk to DLNR or DOFAW about this hunter survey
and I looked for it and the survey’s been closed, so they removed it, I guess,
because possibly there were a lot of complaints about it but I think a hunter
survey is a good idea to feel the pulse of the hunters – the problem was that
the questions – Tony pointed out that the questions were all sort of geared
toward getting the hunters to say, yeah, we want to just go and have’ open
season and kill ‘em all, you know? Like using hunters for eradication
purposes, so, even though the survey has been closed I feel that we still
maybe should respond to Shaya suggesting questions that would be
beneficial to the hunters that they could respond in a way that is giving them
options to support renewable resource so, anyway, should I pursue that? We
made a motion – the survey’s closed...
BKK: I believe Tony was supposed to send both of us something regarding that?
NP: Right, he was but then he said he didn’t have time. I corresponded with him
and said that I would do it.
BKK: OK. We’ve already made a motion for it \[unclear\]..
NP: Yeah, so we should even though the survey’s closed.
BKK: Is there any other commissioner’s report?
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GD: First of all, we’ve seen some dumping in Waimea of like killed boar – like
whole pigs being dumped out at Mana Road, which is – it’s somewhere I just
go and walk like recreationally, whatever – I go for a stroll – so every so often
and it’s been like getting – it’s always been somewhat of an issue – not like,
you know, you see one like every year or so but like more recently there’s
been a lot...
So that was something that I thought might be pertinent to bring up – I’m not
exactly sure what we can do about it or anything...
TN: I don’t think they’re dumping. I think accidents happen and people are not
aware so they’ve been hit by a car and the car just speeds off and they’re just
left alongside the road so whether – if it’s a state zoned area then the state
highway division takes care of it and if it’s county road then the county are
obligated to remove the animal from the roadside, but mainly because they’re
banged – not because they’re dumped.
NP: Could you tell how they were killed?
GD: It didn’t look like they were hit by a car. There was one carcass that was
clearly like taken apart and skinned so, I don’t know – it wasn’t a very
pleasant sight or smell and I thought maybe that’s something...
Mana Road. Yeah. And then, a second thing – there’s been some reports of
small baby deer being sighted both in Waimea and in Ocean View. My own
parents saw a lot of little baby deer in Ocean View. I’m not sure about like the
Waimea ones. I haven’t seen these myself. Allegedly, apparently we have
deer on the Island which, like, I’m not sure.
NP: Maybe they were goats?
GD: Maybe, that’s what I’m thinking but no – people seem to be pretty adamant
that no, no, it was deer – it’s not goats but who knows...
BKK: You have anything else?
AA: Been working with DOFAW with Ian Cole they’re been doing great work up in
Kulani area – Stainback – road widening through Pig Hunters of Hawaii we’re
working on a trash pick-up probably sometime in June, so, as far as District 5
we’re moving forward, you know, we’re doing progress – some progress work
and you guys know anything about the NARS area up in Glenwood – you
know, what’s the status on when they’re gonna reopen that? The end of
Captain’s Drive.
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SB: I think the existing closure is just gonna expire – so probably sometime this
summer. I don’t have a date...
AA: You going make ‘em public notice that it’s gonna reopen?
SB: I’ll have to check with the NARS staff.
But I think that it’s just gonna expire.
BKK: Is there any other commissioner’s reports? OK. I have something on - next
week Monday, Tuesday and Thursday – May 20, 21, 23 – there’s hunter
education out in Kona at Kealakehe so if anybody needs to go for some
hunting license you find Teresa over there. All right – any other reports?
AA: Just over the last few weekends – probably two weekends in a row – one the
weekend before last there was a hunting tournament out in Hamakua
somewhere – I think it was Laupahoehoe – had a significant number of
turnout – I think about 15 pigs in all came out – I never went to that one – but
one of my friends said about 15 pigs came out of that one. I was recently at
the one in Panaewa – had 40 entrants – 40 hunters – and I stayed – the
weigh-ins was 12:00 and it was done at 4:00 and I stayed there the whole
afternoon. We weighed in I would say at least 30 pigs came in and not all 40
people came – about 30. One of them was island-wide tournaments and sizes
ranged from one 200 pound laho’ole that came in from Kona to one 86 pound
boar that came in from Keaau. There was also 180 something pound came in
from Volcano, if I’m not mistaken. So there’s still lotta game throughout the
Island but there’s also some areas where there’s not and we need to get
better communication with the hunters to figure out like what Mr. Dedman
said. And we’re working on it.
ADJOURNMENT:
BKK: Teresa Nakama moved to adjourn the meeting at 8:30 pm. Seconded by
George Donev. Motioned carried unanimously by voice vote. Meeting
adjourned.
Respectfully submitted by:
Donna Urban-Higuchi
Secretary
ASTTEST:
Bronsten “Kalei” Kossow, Chairperson
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