HomeMy WebLinkAbout2019-07-10 Fire Commission Regular MinutesHAWAII FIRE COMMISSION
MINUTES OF JULY 2019
AUPUNI CENTER CONFERENCE ROOM
101 PAUAHI ST., HILO, HAWAII
ALL TO ORDER9:04 a.m.
Chair Henkel called the meeting to order at 9:04 a.m.
ROLL CALL
Present: Gregory Henkel, Chair
Ralph Yawata, Vice Chair
Kyle Keamo, Commissioner
Donna Payesko, Commissioner
Bobbye St. Ambrogio, Commissioner
Scott Susman, Commissioner
Robert Yamada, Commissioner
A quorum was present.
Also present: Darren Rosario, Fire Chief
Melanio Lorenzo, Accountant
Renee Schoen, Assistant Corporation Counsel
Josie Pelayo, Secretary
STATEMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS (None.)
APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 12, 2019
Commissioner Yamada motioned to approve the minutes. Commissioner St. Ambrogio
seconded, and it carried unanimously.
FIRE CHIEF'S REPORT
Chief Rosario highlighted items on his written report:
Budget and Finance
➢ FY 2018/19: Chief Rosario stated that it was a difficult year for the County due
to the volcanic eruption and hurricane events. They lost a lot of property, but no
lives. FEMA reimbursement is only 75%. Mr. Lorenzo reported that they ended
with a $.47 balance, first time with a positive balance. They were able to
transfer some expenditures to County Finance. They normally refund only 75%,
but this year, they refunded 100%.
➢ FY 2019/20: Chief Rosario reported that overtime was reduced to zero, so right
now the Fire Department does not have any funds for overtime. Overtime is
contractual, so there would be grievances, and the County will mostly likely lose
because it's in the contract. They still do critical mandatory overtime, and he
has to approve all non -emergency overtime. All departments are going through
this, but he believes, the Fire Department more so. They are staffed for
everyday duties, but will not be able to accommodate requests from community
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organizations. They did get approval for new apparatus in Laupahoehoe and
HOVE. They also got $15,000 funding for day-to-day station equipment. The
Council's contingency fund was increased, so they are looking at funds for them.
Alternative Funding and Grants
➢ 2018 CDBG: The Paradise Park brush truck apparatus delivery is expected in
July.
➢ Daniel R. Sayre Memorial Foundation: An anonymous donor is funding a new
off-road tanker valued at $310,000 for Waimea and South Kohala. Planning for
this year's awards dinner has started.
Human Resources Division: Classification and recruitment positions in the written
report were noted. Deputy Chief Uchida will give a presentation on the promotional
process at the next meeting.
Emergency Operations Division: East Hawaii had numerous rescue incidents. West
Hawaii had several structure fires.
➢ Special Operation
Hazmat: BC Kim has been working on more Confined Space training, securing
funding for personnel to attend Continuing Challenge and replacing chlorine A &
B kit gaskets.
➢ Ocean Safety: They took a tower from Spencer Beach Park which is only use
don weekends, and moved it to Kua Bay which is more high risk. The will start
the bid process for a new tower for Spencer.
Support Services Division
➢ Training: The 47th recruit class participated in numerous activities including
active shooter training. Nineteen members of the 46th recruit class graduated
in June.
➢ Volunteer Training: AC Perreira attended the quarterly captain's meeting in
June. DOT safety inspections were done for the year. Training and drills were
done on the West Side.
➢ EMS Bureau: Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training which
involves active shooter training was conducted. If there is an ongoing active
shooter situation, Fire personnel will pull back until it is safe for them to move
in. Six MICT candidates went through pre-screening, but they are not sure if a
class will be held.
➢ Prevention Bureau: They continue with 24-hour shifts. Their Smoke Alarm
Program continues with Red Cross assistance. They did three public
education events and fire prevention outreach for other community agencies
and the public.
➢ Auxiliary Services: The Active 911 Project for the volunteers is live. The
RapidSOS/i911 Project continues. The Warehouse Labeling Project is 50%
completed. Testing continues for the Mobile Data Terminal Project. The
maintenance shop continues with repairs and service. They are having less
repairs because of newer equipment.
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• Public Relations: Commissioner St. Ambrogio reported that the Fire Department sent
personnel to talk to her neighborhood watch volunteers about disaster preparedness.
The fire fighter did an excellent presentation, and she truly thanked him for that.
• New Projects/Business: The firefighters contract was approve for all four counties.
• Other Departmental Activities: Deputy Chief Uchida will do a presentation on hiring
and promotions at the next meeting. Fire Commission IDs were made.
• 2019 Program of Work Update (None reported.)
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
Discussion on the commission's oversight of personnel matters of the Fire Department
and compliance with the Hawaii County Charter and Hawaii Revised Statutes. Chair
Henkel reported that a letter was sent to the Human Resources Director and Legislative
Auditor inviting them to this meeting. He stated that Legislative Auditor Bonnie Nims
called him and advised that they speak to Corporation Counsel on this matter.
HR Director William Brilhante came before the commission. He stated that he's at this
meeting because he is not sure what the commission was requesting.
Chair Henkel stated that they want to know what their oversight is and the administrative
duties of the Fire Department.
Mr. Brilhante stated that he looked at the Charter and their duties. He would like to give
them a general overview of the hiring process. In 2000, there was a reform that removed
HR from being the central hiring center. They were allowed to delegate. The Fire
Department's HR staff determines the minimum qualifications for the position. His staff
handles all the new prospects, the new fire fighters. This is called onboarding. They
determine if an applicant meets the MQs. The list of all applicants who meet the MQs is
given to Jean Viernes, Fire Department's HR Specialist. It is not given to the Chief. They
take extra precautions in securing the confidential process. He relies on his staff, and
there is always communication between his staff and Fire HR. He briefly explained the
process. He also mentioned that audits are being conducted of different department's
hiring process. If the commission has concerns, they should bring it up with their
Corporation Counsel. When you have 30 applicants for 1 opening, they know they will
have 29 unhappy applicants.
Chair Henkel stated that if someone from the public has this concern, he doesn't think it's
appropriate for them to approach one of them.
Ms. Schoen stated that the 29 applicants could make an appeal to the Merit Appeals
Board. For employees, it is the grievance process. In response to the Chair's inquiry,
Ms. Schoen stated that the Legislative Auditor has not done an audit of a board or
commission. The majority of their time is doing financial audits.
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Chair Henkel felt that their oversight is in the hiring and firing of the Chief.
Commissioner Susman stated that a kid associated with the fire service can be coached.
In interviews, he has seen someone regurgitating information. They have to be
accountable.
Mr. Brilhante stated that from what he has seen of the Fire Department, they are one of
the most progressive departments in the county. They bring in others from other
jurisdictions to sit in on promotions. He was in the Fire Department when it was under
the Mayor, and it is much different now. A kid who has a parent with knowledge of the
Fire Department, and they talk about the process and has knowledge of the Fire
Department, maybe they are a better candidate because they know the process. At the
end of the day, the panel and the Chief makes the decision. The selection of the
candidate is not the end for onboarding. When they get hired, there is a 12 -month
probation, and they can cut them lose. They want to be sure they have the best
candidates. The interview process shows all the secondary assessments when they rank
a candidate. It is not 100% perfect, but until they see something better, that's the
process they will use.
Ms. Schoen again stated that complaints can be brought to the Merits Appeals Board.
In response to Chair Henkel's request to see their audit of the Fire Department's hiring
process, Mr. Brilhante stated that they can provide it to Ms. Schoen.
Commissioner Susman expressed concern about their accountability as noted in the
Charter and the department's hiring process.
Ms. Schoen stated that the commission, as a body, needs to determine if they are
appropriately reviewing the personnel actions of the department. Deputy Chief Lance
Uchida will give a presentation on the promotions process at the next meeting.
Commissioner Susman again expressed concern about the promotions process as noted
in the Charter.
Mr. Brilhante stated that they see to it that interview questions are related to skillset. It
has to articulate the areas of responsibility or effectiveness. When they audit the packet,
they ensure that the questions relate to the skillset. His staff doesn't determine the
skillset. They leave it up to the Fire Department, same as for Police, Public Works, and
Finance. They use the same process of skillset and interview questions.
Commissioner Susman asked how to address high degree of education.
Mr. Brilhante stated that the fire fighter prerequisite is two specific college courses.
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Chief Rosario stated that every interview and questions are never the same. The Deputy
puts the questions together the day of the interview. They have a panel who makes the
decision. If a person has a father who is a fire personnel, he can guide his son. That is
not illegal. There have been fire personnel whose kid was not hired because he was not
the best candidate. Chief Rosario explained the hiring process.
Commissioner Susman stated that things need to be monitored.
Commissioner Payesko stated Commissioner Susman wants to see the questions. She
is not an HR expert. Their job is to make sure the process is working correctly.
Mr. Brilhante stated that there is a certain degree of confidentiality. When the candidate
comes before the candidate, that's the first time the questions are made known. There is
a degree of confidentially. When they do an audit, they don't make the questions public.
They have to ensure the confidentiality of the process. They don't want the questions
floating around.
Commissioner St. Ambrogio stated that the hiring process was a mystery to her. She is
now comfortable to know that people are properly chosen, and she is comfortable with
the process. As a commissioner, she is confident to refer people to HR or the Chief. She
doesn't think it is the responsibility of the commission to tell people what the process is.
If they have a question, that person should take that problem to the person who is
trained. The commission should not be trained, but they should have knowledge of the
process. An audit has another layer of positive thinking.
Mr. Brilhante stated that he will be present at the next meeting to hear the Deputy's
presentation. He is evaluated by the Merit Appeals Board.
Chair Henkel stated that he wants to put this issue to rest. He's only been on the
commission a few months, but this issue has been going on for a few years. After
Deputy Chief Uchida's presentation at the next meeting, they can vote on whether or not
they have confidence in the system.
Ms. Schoen stated that they can vote as a body as to whether or not they are performing
their duties according to the Charter. If not, and if they feel they need more information,
they need to determine what information is needed to fulfill their duties.
Commissioner Susman stated that he wants Ms. Schoen's confidential attorney-client
document made public.
Ms. Schoen explained her confidential letter to the commission and her reasoning.
Commissioner Susman stated that the letter would be gone forever.
Mr. Schoen stated that her position could be placed in the minutes.
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Commissioner Yamada stated that Ms. Schoen is their Counsel. It is as if they are in
executive session. He would not vote for making it public.
Chair Henkel stated that he is not inclined to waive executive privilege. They can act on
this at the next meeting.
CHAIR'S REPORT ON MATTERS OF INTEREST TO THE COMMISSION
(Nothing to report.)
ANNOUNCEMENTS
Chair Henkel announced that the commission's next monthly meeting is scheduled for
August 21, 2019, at 9.00a.m., in the West Hawaii Civic Center, Building G Conference
Room, 74-5044 Ane Keohokalole Highway, Kailua-Kona, Hawaii.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 11:36 a.m.
SUBMITTED BY: JOSIE PELAYO, SECRETARY
APPROVED BY: GREGORY HENKEL, CHAIR