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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006-01-20 THELCO PLANNING COMMISSION COUNTY OF HAWAII HEARING TRANSCRIPT January 20, 2006 HAWAII ELECTRIC LIGHT A regularly advertised hearing on the application of COMPANY, INC. (REZ 05-025) was called to order at 4:12 p.m. at the Outrigger Keauhou Beach Resort, 78-6740 Alii Drive, Keauhou, Hawaii with Chairman C. Kimo Alameda presiding. PRESENT:C. Kimo AlamedaABSENT & EXCUSED: Allen Salavea Jeffrey McCall Rene€ Siracusa Hannah Springer Fred Galdones Chris Yuen, DeputyPlanning Director Norman Hayashi, Planning Program Manager Phyllis Fujimoto, Staff Planner Jeff Darrow, Staff Planner Ivan Torigoe, Deputy Corporation Counsel And approximately 10 people from the public in attendance. APPLICANT: HAWAII ELECTRIC LIGHT COMPANY, INC. (REZ 05-025) Change of Zone from an Open (O) to a General Industrial 15-acre (MG-15a) district for 15.643 acres of land. The property is the site of the existing Keahole power plant located east of Queen KaahumanuHighwayandtheKonaInternationalAirportatKeahole,Keahole,NorthKona, Hawaii, TMK: 7-3-49: 36 and 37. ALAMEDA:All right. Moving right along to New Business. Agenda item number 8, applicant Hawaii Electric Light Company, Incorporated. This is a rezoning 05-025. Mr. Hayashi? HAYASHI:Thank you Mr. Chair. Members of the Commission. Referring to the overall location map, the subject property is indicated by this yellow dot. It is situated mauka of the Queen Kaahumanu Highway adjacent and to the north of the Keahole Agricultural Park. The Kona International Airport at Keahole is indicated by this gray shaded area and situated across on the makai side of the subject property. This particular area is the Kona Palisades subdivision that runs makai from the Mamalahoa Highway. This particular roadway is the Kaiminani Road that provides mauka-makai access between Highway 190 and the Queen Kaahumanu Highway. Just as a matter of information this particular area is the area that we will be hearing next and that will be the Hiluhilu Development€s property. The colors of the map indicate the various EXHIBIT G 1 zoned districts. The green, darker green areas along Queen Kaahumanu Highway are areas that are zoned open. We also have agriculture 5-acre zoned lands, these are lands that are within the Keahole agricultural park. Also along Kaiminani Drive there are areas that are zoned for residential and developed with residential lots or are proposed to be developed for residential purposes. The brown shaded areas are areas that are designated multiple residential. There are two lots are involved in this particular request. And if I may refer to this particular map which is the overall Keahole Generating Station€s and airport substation plot plan. First of all there is a small 0.6-acre property, which is the airport substation property. And the bigger area, which is 14.9 acres, which basically is the generating plant. The applicant recently went through a State Land Use Boundary Amendment from a conservation to a urban designation with the Land Use Commission. The Land Use Commission granted the request to urbanize the property to place th the property into the urban district and adopted their findings on November 7 of 2005. All of you received a copy of the decision and order, which stated thenumerous conditions that the applicant had to comply with. The Land Use designation for the County is the urban expansion area. Rather than go into detail the overall project description I would like to defer that to the applicant and they can explain it to the Commissioners as to what has been proposed. If you look at the maps on the-, boards on the-, easel. It€s been a long day. The first one is a photograph of the subject property and the current improvements on the property and next to it is the overall property or site plan. And that€s similar to this particular map, site plan that€s on the wall. The primary access to the property will be from or is from Pukiawe Street which comes-. This is Pukiawe Street and this comes off of Kaiminani Drive. There€s also another access which is referred to as the Reservoir Road and that€s an access that€s directly off of, directly across of the airport access road. Water is available to the property and the wastewater system will come from for domestic wastewater will be the septic tank and leach field and the industrial wastes there will be two underground injection wells provided. We did receive 2 letters in support of the request for zone change and 1 request, the first request was from the Keahole Defense Coalition sent in by Keichi Ikeda. And the second is a letter from the Department of Hawaiian Homelands and that one is dated January 10, 2006. I believe all of you have a copy of those letters. The Planning Director is recommending approval of the zone change including the-, zone change with conditions including the incorporation of the Land Use conditions that were imposed by the Land Use Commission. We distributed amended conditions for the Commissioner€s consideration. The first one or the first change if you look in the amended condition is related to Condition C. And the reason why we did away with recommending that, of deleting that particular condition and the reason for that is that the water commitment has already been paid. In fact the property, the, obviously as all of you know the facilities already exist on that particular property. And the second change will be an amendment to condition D, and that would become a new condition C as a result of deleting condition C which we got in the water. And that increases the construction timetable from 5 to 10 years. And the reason for the change is that there are numerous permits, other permits that the applicant would have to obtain before they can construct. These include the permits from the Environmental Protection Agency, Department of Health, the State Water Commission as well as the DLNR. So the time for that maybe lengthier than anticipated and this is why we increased the time from 5 to 10 years as to the construction completion. And finally, on the floor we€d like to change condition D, that will be the new condition D and the current, now the condition that is submitted to you was that the applicant shall provide additional landscaping as set forth in the Landscaping Concept Plan. The applicant has since installed those landscaping. So basically what we want to do is delete the EXHIBIT G 2 word provide‚ and insert maintain the‚. So the new condition D would state that the applicant shall maintain the initial landscaping that€s set forth in the landscape concept plan. Are there any questions at this time? ALAMEDA:Commissioner Siracusa? SIRACUSA:How far is the facility from the nearest residence? HAYASHI:The nearest residence is next door and there are residences abutting the property. SIRACUSA:So I assume that they weresent letters. HAYASHI:Yes, those individuals were notified. SIRACUSA:Did you get any response from them or are any of them here today? HAYASHI:I€m not aware as to whether they are here or not. SIRACUSA:Thank you. ALAMEDA:Commissioner Springer? SPRINGER:Norman? HAYASHI:Yes. SPRINGER:While there€s reference to the Landscape Concept Plan in the Findings, Conclusions, Decision and Order and reference to it in our new Condition D, I didn€t see a copy of it. Is that not for us to deliberate over? HAYASHI:The landscaping plan, that was made part of the Land Use Commission Record but it wasn€t included as part of this docket I don€t believe no, as far as the change of zone. SPRINGER:So it is not for us to? HAYASHI:Well if you want a copy we can send it to you at some point in time. SPRINGER:Okay thank you. WATANABE:Follow up question. YUEN:Do you have it here? We may have it here to circulate. EXHIBIT G 3 HAYASHI:Oh, I€m sorry it€s part of the EIS. You have a copy of the EIS so in the thick packet that was sent to you. ALAMEDA:Commissioner Watanabe? WATANABE:My question would be for the Director. This Concept Landscape Plan, the one that€s already been implemented. It€s I guess at the minimum in compliance with the new Rule 17 Landscape Rule that we implemented just, I guess we approved that the other month yeah? YUEN:It would equal or exceed the Rule 17 for Industrial adjoining a residential. WATANABE:Yeah, thank you. ALAMEDA:CommissionerGrahamdidyougetachancetolocatethemapwiththe plan? SCHICTER:Three fifty seven. SPRINGER:3-5-7? SCHICTER:3-57. SPRINGER:Mr. Chair, Mr. Sichter who hasn€t been sworn in yet has indicated to me that that can be found on 3-57 of the EIS. Thank you. ALAMEDA:Other Commissioners questions while, as we entertain that question by Commissioner Springer? Commissioner McCall? I mean Commissioner Graham? Sorry. GRAHAM:I€m wondering if you attune to that photo up there well I just want to try to match the schematic with the photo. It€s look like the photo is looking down at the ocean as best I can tell. Is the schematic sort of in a similar orientation? It feels a little hard for me to line up what€s what on that maybe it€ll be easier when the applicant comes up and point out the correspondences thank you. ALAMEDA:Anymore questions for Mr. Hayashi before we ask the applicant to come forward? Seeing none will the applicant or his representative please come forward? Will you all please raise your right hand? Thank you. Do you affirm or swear to tell the truth now before the Hawaii County Planning Commission? TESTIFIERS:I do. ALAMEDA:Thank you. Let€s start with you on my far right. Could you please state your name and address for the record? EXHIBIT G 4 SICHTER:My name is Lee Sichter. I€m the principle Planner with Belt Collins Hawaii serving as a Planning Consultant to the Hawaii Electric Light Company. My address is 2153 North King Street, Honolulu. ALAMEDA:Thank you. Go ahead. KUDO:Benjamin Kudo. I€m attorney principal with Imanaka, Kudo, Fujimoto. Legal counsel to Hawaii Electric Light Company in this matter and my address is Topa Financial th Center, 17 Floor, 745 Fort Street, Honolulu, Hawaii. ALAMEDA:Thank you. LEE:Warren H.W. Lee, President, Hawaii Electric Light Company, 1200 Kilauea Avenue, Hilo, Hawaii, 96721. ALAMEDA:Thank you. Mr. Sichter would you like to-. Did you get a chance to review the recommendations made by the department? SICHTER:Yes. ALAMEDA:You have any additional comments or questions regarding that? SICHTER:My I defer that to counsel? ALAMEDA:Sure. KUDO:Just for the record Hawaii Electric Light Company has received and reviewed the Planning Director€s background report and amended recommendations in favor of HELCO€s request for a change of zone application for the underlying property from the open to the general industrial district and we concur with the Director€s report and the recommendations asamended. ALAMEDA:Thankyou.FellowCommissionersIbelievewehavesomequestionsfor our applicant at this time. Commissioner Watanabe? WATANABE:I got a real quick question. Just out of curiosity you know. The schematic thatyouhandedoutindicatesthatthereisapparentlyanalreadyexistingbrackishwaterwell pump labeled number 26. But I couldn€t find number 26 on this. Is that across the road or something? SICHTER:No,ifImaytakeamomenttoorientyoutothephotoandtotheplotplanI think it might alleviate some concerns. ALAMEDA:Sure, take the mike with you. EXHIBIT G 5 SICHTER:Thank you. The photo is oriented in the same direction as the plot plan. The easiest indicators are these 2 large fuel tanks. They appear as items number 1 in the lower left corner of the plot plan. So the 2 figures are oriented in the same direction. Before I get to your question Commissioner McCall, I wanted to explain the additional map that was circulated to you by Planning Staff. We have-, I€m the author of the Environmental Impact Statement as well, it went along with this application. The Environmental Impact Statement was prepared for the Land Use Classification action, which began in 2004 and ended in 2005. The plot plan was prepared as part of the draft Environmental Impact Statement, which was dated October 2004, hence the date on that. And at that time all of the facilities that were identified in blue were under construction but construction had not yet been completed. The plot plan was replicated in the final EIS, which was approved by the Land Use Commission and the figure that we presented to you is simply an update of the plot plan that now identifies that all of the items that were previously identified in blue, the construction has now been completed. So the only remaining items are those identified in the light green and those are the items that constitutes proposed facility.Soyourquestionabouttheitem26,whichisthebrackishwellpump.Item26is immediately to the left of the fire water storage tank and the service water storage tank identified as items number 7. ALAMEDA:Commissioner Watanabe follow up? WATANABE:No. Thank you. ALAMEDA:Thank you. Commissioner Siracusa? SIRACUSA:Thank you. Chapter 2, 2.9.5 and thereon. Naphtha, you have Naphtha down as an alternative fuel. I€m concerned about that because of the flash point because about the possibility for explosions, ignitable gases that sort of thing. That you need to add stability by adding an alternative fuel. Could you tell me, is there a certain formula that you use to determine how much of this alternative fuel and what it might be to add stability to any given amount of Naphtha? SICHTER:May I direct your question to Mr. Lee who can-? SIRACUSA:You may. SICHTER:Thank you. ALAMEDA:Mr. Lee? LEE:Yes. Presently the, let me start with some background information. Presently the plant, which has existed since 1972 and added on successive years, burns diesel. Now in our EIS the question, part of the EIS says are there any alternatives to what we plan to do? And we listed Naphtha as an alternative. For, for those that are not familiar Naphtha is pretty much what someone characterized as white gasoline, that what you use in say your Coleman lanterns. So, Naphtha certainly is a more flammable fuel than diesel and there are brought, there are protective measures for Naphtha. For example if we did convert the plant to EXHIBIT G 6 burn Naphtha instead of diesel what we have right now are what we call our fuel oil tanks, they€re what we call fixed roof. In other words you just put there one volume and you put the diesel into the tank and then you pump it out. In a Naphtha application as far as safety precautions what you want to do is we have you re-, you convert or you build a new tank which is what we call a floating roof tank. So it€s that the roof is on the, floating on the fluid, the Naphtha in that case all the time so that you minimize the combustibles and the oxygen or the air so that you could have combustion. Now after that it goes through the pipes and into the, into the combustion turbine for ignition. So, it is treated no differently than let€s say a gasoline where the formula itself, Naphtha, would be the same as it comes from the refinery. Presently let me say this that Naphtha is used by the power plant that exists at the old Hamakua Sugar Mill. They have 2 combustion turbines and they primarily burn, use Naphtha right now. So there are provisions for fire, safety and accidents. SIRACUSA:So you€re saying that it€s control combustion such as we have in our car engines?ThecombustionofNaphthaiscontrolled,you€vegotthiscapthatfloatsontop? LEE:Yes.Thereareprotectivemeasuresforthestorageandfortheuseof Naphtha. SIRACUSA:Now, you say that a special ventilation systems been required to vent the exhausts to an unconfined area. So I would like if you could show me over here where the ventilation system would be especially in relation to the closest residences. LEE:Well, first of all the ventilation system will probably be off of the floating roof tank itself. SIRACUSA:So where would that place be, point that out for me please. LEE:Again the use of identification of Naphtha in the EIS was identified as an alternative to what we presently have. So, this as Lee Sichter pointed out, these are the existing tanks. One here, these two tanks and we have an existing tank here, tank one, item 46 and fuel tank number 2, 46 which is existing. So these tanks would have to be converted from fixed roof tanks to what we call floating roof tanks. And also in our application we proposed to build this additional tank here as item, which is item 16. So most likely it will be built. Our plan is to build it as a fixed roof tank to serve or hold diesel. Now if we convert as an alternative to Naphtha in the future then this probably would be converted or replace with fixed roof tanks. Oh, I€m sorry, floating roof tanks. SIRACUSA:Yeah, so that corner is where the exhaust would be? LEE:The, these wherever you have a-. SIRACUSA:In that general area. LEE:-tank you€ll have the exhaust. Yeah, again it€s gas so it will go up. The closest resident, your second question, in the Ag Park is located approximately here. The other-. EXHIBIT G 7 SIRACUSA:That€s very close for I know it€s alternative you know but it€s, it€s, still looks very close to me for something as dangerous as Naphtha. ALAMEDA:Questions? Any follow up question Commissioner Siracusa? SIRACUSA:Well I€m wondering you know like why they think considering Naphtha as an alternative to diesel when they€re both basically petroleum based products and if we know what€s been happening you know with petroleum based products and prices and how-. I€m concerned about how that would effect the electric bills for everybody and why I€m wondering aren€t you looking at something to burn that would come from a different source that wouldn€t be tied in to say mid-east oil or OPEC or that sort of thing. LEE:Very good question. The reason that we listed Naphtha as an alternative. Thereisadifference,theconstituentsofwhatconsistsofNaphthaanddiesel.And,itjustis based on perhaps there€s going to be future more stringent regulatory air permit regulations from the Environmental Protection Agency or from the Department of Health. And the reason that we would choose Naphtha is that Naphtha has a lower level of nitrogen-. SIRACUSA:Flash point. LEE:-in the Naphtha than the diesel. So the emission that comes out as a result of combusting this fuel is what we call NOx, Nitrogen Oxides. So by switching to Naphtha you would have a lower level of Nitrogen Oxides being emitted. So this would be, we would move to that alternative if the permit restrictions become much, much more stringent. SICHTER:I€d like to add to Mr. Lee€s comments that of the remaining construction to be done at the plant it can be summarized as the installation of a heat recovery system. And that heat recovery system is referred to in the application as a ST7 or steam turbine 7. It would consist of a mechanism whereby the heat from the existing combustion turbines 5 and 6 is captured in order to make the facility more fuel-efficient. So that is the, improves the environmental function of the entire facility by capturing wasted heat and using it to generate additional megawatts of electricity. So the remaining construction that is intended is intended to improve the efficiency of the plant. ALAMEDA:Commissioner Siracusa follow up question for that? SIRACUSA:Not at the moment. ALAMEDA:Okay, other Commissioners any questions for our applicants? Commissioner Springer? SPRINGER:Thanks. I€m just looking at the Landscape Concept Plan and in that our condition has been amended to maintain rather than provide could you just walk through me on the photograph of where? You have a good plant list but I can€t quite make out the fuzzy print on my copy where the actual plantings are occurring. EXHIBIT G 8 SICHTER:Essentially the Landscape Concept Plan is fully in place. And it principally consists of all these plantings. Just for orientation purposes, this is looking from the Pukiawe entrance, the main entrance to the plant right here. Looking in a northern direction, so Queen Kaahumanu Highway would be on the left of the photo. The Reservoir Road, which is the mauka extension of the airport access road would be on the backside of the plant here. And the Palamanui area, the Hiluhilu would be off in the distance up a the top of the photo. The principal ends of the Landscape Concept Plan were to create a berm in order to have more earth along here to support the vegetation that helps screen the plant. It consists of Wiliwili and Palm trees. We have as you are aware problems with the Wiliwili on the Big Island now and the Wiliwili are being jeopardized and they may very well have to be replaced with other planting other trees at the project because they€re not doing well right now. This is a view of the plant from the intersection of the airport access road to, it€s intersection with Queen Kaahumanu Highway looking mauka and you can see the sum effect of the landscaping that has been introducedoverthelast18monthsorso.Andonefurtherviewisoftheplantfurthersouthalong Queen Kaahumanu Highway with another view of the landscaping that€s been put in. We have a number of Norfolk pines that are doing very well. They€re maturing and those will add a lot of density in vegetation in the gaps between the palm trees. So the overall intention is to have the upper canopy of the palms and then the broad base of the Norfolk pines ascending to a peak of the trees which balances with the palms and gives a relatively uniformed landscape that is intended to obscure as much of the structures as possible. ALAMEDA:Commissioner Springer follow up? SPRINGER:Yeah if I€m reading correctly on the right hand side of the illustration on page 357. Among the tall trees I see the Norfolk Island pine, what are the 2 listed above that? Is that manele and kukui? SICHTER:Yes. SPRINGER:And have those been installed? SICHTER:I believe they have. SPRINGER:And are you working with seedlings or larger trees? SICHTER:I believe they were seedlings. LEE:Well not necessarily. I don€t know what is a seedling I mean, the kukui trees were planted, they were about 3 feet in height and they expect full growth at maybe about 2 to 3 years. The palm-. SPRINGER:And the manele? LEE:The palm? I€m not sure which one is the manele but-. EXHIBIT G 9 SICHTER:Those are palms also. LEE:-they were seedlings. SICHTER:What I meant, what I was starting to say was that they were more saplings than seedlings. SPRINGER:And they€re fully irrigated and fertilized and-? SICHTER:Yes, we€ve actually had a lot of success with all of the vegetation except for the Wiliwili. SPRINGER:And the other trees, the tall trees the alahee, the koaia, those have all been installed? SICHTER:Everything€s been installed now. SPRINGER:Thank you. SICHTER:If I might add, make one more note that I failed to make earlier. When we preparedthisphotographitcametoourattentionthatthisstormdraininthesouth,southeastor southwestern corner of the plant had not appeared on the original plot-plan. So we have added that and it is identified as item 56 in the lower left corner and there€s a second storm drain that is just above parking lot in the upper corner and it€s also identified as item 56. Those are existing storm drains and they just were inadvertently omitted from the original plot plan. ALAMEDA:Thank you. Commissioner Siracusa? SIRACUSA:Yes you mentioned planting the Norfolk Island Pines interspersed with the palms. And I could see how once they all get big that would give you some pretty good upper canopy type of coverage because Norfolk Pines would come to a point but the fronds from the palms would fill in that empty space. However that would then leave your lower level open and visible. So I€m wondering if you were planning on later on down the line if this is part of your plan to fill in your-, I wouldn€t say your lower canopy because it€s lower than that with some thick shrubs or something like that. SICHTER:Actually if I may approach you€ll find as we all know the Norfolk pine has a pyramid shape broad at the base pointed at the peak. And the Norfolk pines are located in such a way that when they grow higher those bases of those Norfolk pines, the foliage is going to be much broader and it€s intended to fill in and cover this building space as much as is practical. SIRACUSA:I understand that. I€m thinking of Norfolk pines that I know personally. That have gotten very large and now the broadest branches are above my head. And granted they stick out a long ways but they€re still-. SICHTER:You€re saying there€s trunk height before the first fronds yeah? EXHIBIT G 10 SIRACUSA:Considerable amount of trunk height now at maturity that would then have to be filled in some more if you want complete coverage. So, I was wondering if you had taken that into consideration in your long range plan for the landscaping? SICHTER:I believe it has been taken into consideration. And our landscaping, the concept plan that was presented in EIS is very much an adaptable type of plan. So, as we move along and see how the pattern of the landscaping works the applicant is certainly amenable to enhancing that landscaping with additional material if warranted. ALAMEDA:Thank you. Commissioners any other questions for our applicants? Go ahead Commissioner Siracusa? SIRACUSA:Well aalii is a good choice because it€s nice even though it also is conical in shape but it€s lowest branch is still pretty low to the ground and it gives you some nice density there. The naupaka of course is a full shrub that would give you lower density but not get as tall as the aalii. And, the kokiŸo keŸokeŸo, I would say is about the same as the naupaka in terms of coverage. ALAMEDA:Thank you. See you had free consultation you got there. You have any questions for our-? Maybe you might have questions or any other comments given our discussion? Fellow Commissioners any other questions? We do have one testifier but before I ask you to sit down it€s a Mr. Joel Gimpel and if he€s not here I€m going to ask that you stay. Mr. Gimpel? Giving that there€s no further testimony it brings it back to our Commission. Any other questions before I entertain a motion and move into discussion? Do you have any closing statements or comments to make Mr. Sichter? SICHTER:I€d just like to acknowledge the Planning Department€s Staff for the efficiency of their work on this particular application. It was a very rapid turnaround and we really, certainly do appreciate that, thank you. ALAMEDA:You€re welcome. Go ahead Commissioner Graham. GRAHAM:Sorry but I just want to say that in the spirit of your appreciation I just wanttosaywegotthismaterialfromyoufolks(inaudible)Iamsureasyoucanseealotofwhat you gave us is beyond what we really need to do a rezoning consideration but I did spend a lot of timereadingitandfounditbothinterestingandinstructivesoit€snotwastedthankyou. ALAMEDA:Other Commissioner comments? Go ahead Mr. Hayashi? HAYASHI:I just wanted to state that Mr. Gimpel did leave his testimony with us and it€s made a part of the record. ALAMEDA:Okay. Mr. Gimpel€s testimony is in written form and is part of the record. We are at the point of entertaining a motion. Commissioner Watanabe? EXHIBIT G 11 WATANABE:I move that a favorable recommendation be forwarded to the County Council on the application for change of zone, application REZ 05-025 based on the Planning Director€s recommendations and proposed conditions. ALAMEDA:Is there a second? SPRINGER:Second. ALAMEDA:Motion was made by Commissioner Watanabe and seconded by Commissioner Springer. Discussion? Seeing none, Mr. Hayashi? Oh, hold on. Commissioner Siracusa? SIRACUSA:Yeah, we have a letter from the State Department of Transportation to th Director Yuen, let€s see it€s dated January 8, this year and item number 1, they state that the project has some potential impacts that will need the applicant€s attention. These impacts relate to the access road, pollution, drainage and water quality controls and have been outlined in our prior comments on the electric facility. I€m wondering especially about the pollution issue and I€m wondering what particular types of pollution they were referring to. Is it the NO? ALAMEDA:Mr. Sichter? SICHTER:Thank you. We responded in writing to that. The previous comment that they attached and if I could just briefly summarize. We contacted the Department of Transportation immediately after receiving that letter to, in an attempt to seek clarification on what their comments were. Their comments were specifically related not to the functioning of the plant itself but to the vehicular traffic on the roads and the storm water drainage that would be associated with the plant. And that is why we made a point of adding that storm water drain location on the plot plan because the facility has incorporated a storm water drain system. If I mightjustveryquicklypointoutthatthischannelherewasaddedinaspartofthelandscaping plan and it picks up sheet flow and directs it to this storm water drain. The Department of Transportation€s concern was principally the impacts of storm water drainage across Queen Kaahumanu Highway and demonstrated to the department that we have taken their concerns under consideration and that the current operational design of the facility has mitigated any impacts that might result and they need not be concerned about that. SIRACUSA:One final question. I€d like to know how many megawatts you propose to produce at this plant? SICHTER:The plant currently is operating at 64 megawatts and the addition of the ST7, the steam turbine generator will bring it up to approximately 84. So it€s about a 24 additional megawatts, approximately. SIRACUSA:Okay and what percentage of the island€s peak needs will this meet? ALAMEDA:Mr. Lee? EXHIBIT G 12 LEE:At 60 megawatts, presently our peak is running about 200 megawatts right now so that€s about 30%. With the addition of the steam turbine number 7 also characterized as the heat recovery steam generator it€ll go up to about 40% just with the additions. Now we have 3 other diesel generators there that are hope to also contribute in addition to the 2 combustion turbines that we€re talking about. So you can add another 4 to 5% to that. So about 40, 45% at build out. SIRACUSA:So, I understand that Puna Geothermal Ventures is looking to increase to 60 megawatts. Will that bring you up to the full amount that you need to generate or will, will you not need as that much? LEE:Well right now, my understanding is that Puna Geothermal Ventures is permitted by the geothermal resource permit to go up to 60. Presently they provide by contract to HELCO, 30 megawatts. Puna Geothermal Ventures has also petitioned the Board of Land and NaturalResourcestoincreaseupto60megawatts.Sowhatthey€redoingisthey€replanningfor the future. Presently when I mentioned that our capa-, peak load is about 200 megawatts, they are preparing I guess to negotiate with us for the future demand as the island continues to grow and the demand for electricity increases. So, they€re looking probably at, if we can consummate a contract providing the generation maybe beyond the, for the year 2020 yeah. SIRACUSA:Thank you. No further questions. ALAMEDA:Thank you. Any other discussion items before I ask Mr. Hayashi to call roll? Seeing none, Mr. Hayashi? HAYASHI:Thank you Mr. Chair. Commissioner Watanabe? WATANABE:Aye. HAYASHI:Commissioner Springer? SPRINGER:Yes. HAYASHI:Commissioner Galdones? GALDONES:Aye. HAYASHI:Commissioner Graham? GRAHAM:Aye. HAYASHI:Commissioner McCall? MCCALL:Aye. HAYASHI:Commissioner Siracusa? EXHIBIT G 13 SIRACUSA:Aye. HAYASHI:Chair Alameda? ALAMEDA:Aye. HAYASHI:Mr. Chair motion carries. ALAMEDA:Thank you, you€ll be informed in writing of this decision. APPLICANTS:Thank you very much. ALAMEDA:Thank you for waiting. This discussion ended at 4:55 p.m. Respectfully submitted, LynetteMarushige,WestHawaiiSecretary EXHIBIT G 14