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HAWAII COUNTY HOUSING AGENCY
Hilo, Hawaii
September 7, 2021
Agency Members Present Absent and Excused
Aaron S. Y. Chung Maile Medeiros David
Holeka Goro Inaba
Matt Kanealii-Kleinfelder
Ashley L. Kierkiewicz (Chair)
Heather L. Kimball
Herbert M. "Tim" Richards III, DVM
(via Zoom)
Rebecca Villegas (via Zoom)
Susan "Sue" L. K. Lee Loy
(Vice Chair)
Housing Staff Members Present
Susan Kunz
Jennifer Kualii
Desiree Moore (via Zoom)
Kori Koike Smith (via Zoom)
Sharon Hirota (via Zoom)
Corporation Counsel Members of the Public
Malia Hall Via Zoom
Kierkiewicz: Aloha and good morning. Welcome to the convening of the
Housing Agency, today is Tuesday, September 7, 2021, I'm calling this meeting
to order at 9:01 a.m. Agency members that are present in the Hilo Chambers
include Holeka Inaba, Sue Lee Loy, Aaron Chung, Heather Kimball, joining us
from Kona, Rebecca Villegas, my name is Ashley Kierkiewicz, Chair of this
Committee. Just a friendly reminder to everyone, we are convening this
meeting today, not with our council member hats on, this is the non -legislative
function of council members, we are meeting as Housing Agency members
today. Joining us also are Matt Kanealii-Kleinfelder. Thank you. Excused from
the meeting are Maile David and Tim Richards. Just kidding, Tim Richards is
joining us from Waimea. Aloha Tim, good to see you. At this time, we will be
moving forward with our agenda. First order of business, Statements from the
Public, seeing there are no testifiers, I'm closing Public Testimony at this time and
moving to approval of the Minutes, may I have a motion to approve the Minutes
from the April 6, 2021 meeting.
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Lee Loy: So moved.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Second.
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Kierkiewicz: Thank you. Motion by Ms. Lee Loy, second by Mr. Kanealii-
Kleinfelder. Any questions or comments? All in favor please say aye. Any
opposed? Motion carries with eight aye votes. Next, on to New Business. First
order of today is the Approval of the Amended Public Housing Agency Annual
Plan for the Housing Choice Voucher (Section 8) Program for the County of
Hawai `i. May I have a motion to approve the Annual Plan? Thank you, motion
by Ms. Lee Loy, second by Mr. Kanealii-Kleinfelder, and if I could please call
forward our Housing Administrator Susan Kunz. Good morning Susan.
Kunz: Good Morning.
Kierkiewicz: Good to see you. Quick overview please of the Plan.
Kunz: So, the Office of Housing and Community Development is recognized by
HUD as the Public Housing Agency. Public Housing Agency is required to submit
an Annual Plan to HUD which outlines the community's needs, what our goals
are and how we are going to meet those goals. We came before you
previously, this Annual Plan was enacted for July 11t, 2021 and so we are here
before you today to make some amendments. So let me review what the
amendments are, there's a few, we have, we actually have about five
amendments that we're making. So the first one is regarding a policy which
addresses the Area Median Income limit for the participants that we serve. HUD
allows us to serve up to 80% AMI. In the past, we've limited the AMI to 50% so
this amendment is going to allow us to serve individuals up to 80% but I do want
to point out that HUD maintains a percentage of those that we serve in the
categories. So, for those, and these are all new applicants, 30% of new
applicants, I'm sorry, 75% of the new applicants have to be at 30% AMI or lower,
25% of the new applicants can be at 50 and now up to 80% AMI. You know,
there are several reasons why we are recommending this and one of them is to
address those who are housing unstable, so it could actually be individuals who
are housed without a voucher but are, you know, especially during this time of
COVID, they get challenged with working, losing their jobs, things like that, so this
will allow us to address that population. The other thing coming up, another one
of the amendments is that it's going to allow us to work with individuals who are
exercising the option to use the Section 8 voucher for subsidies for mortgage, so
I'll talk a little bit about that when we get to that. Are there any questions on this
one? Okay, so the other amendments that we are making are to our local
preferences. So we are adding to our preference, all resident families with minor
children under the age of 18 and include elderly, an elderly person or a person
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with a disability. This is new, we do not currently have this as our preference. Let
me just for the record state, that there are other preferences that we've had
that we are making no changes too, so that would be families being terminated
from the HCV program due to insufficient funding, that is a preference and we
are not changing it. For elderly individuals, that's a preference, no change.
Persons with disabilities, it's currently a preference, no change. The other
preference that we are changing language too is in regard to preferences to
homeless and those involuntarily displaced by a disaster. And basically it's kind
of relabeling of the category to broaden it. So we are now saying in the Plan
that there is a preference for emergency need which homeless individuals will
fall under and persons who are displaced from a disaster will fall under. Are
there any questions?
Kierkiewicz: Ms. Lee Loy, go ahead.
Lee Loy: Thank you, Chair. Thanks, Susan, for being here. You mentioned all
residents, right, how are we defining all residents, you mentioned all residents
under the age of 18, elderly disabled.
Kunz: Okay, so that is a new preference that we're adding. So, you have to be
living in the State of Hawai `i and be able to show your residency. I don't have
off the top of my head, you know I actually have staff who are listening in by
Zoom, would you like me to have them clarify the eligibility?
Lee Loy: Yeah, absolutely, I think because we've heard a lot of concern about
housing affordability and keeping it where we can, keep it for our local
residence and so this preference, I'm trying to understand that, so that we can
continue to share how this may become an asset for those applying and how
these actually create wider guardrails for people to be able to get into
obtainable housing.
Kunz: So I actually have on the Zoom call with me, the manager for the Section
8 programs, Desiree Moore, and I believe she also has a staff with her, Kori Koike-
Smith, that's also with her. But Desiree can you please answer the question
that's being asked.
Moore: Morning Committee Members. So the residency preference will also
include people who were hired to work in our State or in our County and for
educational purposes also. We did not put a time limit on the residency
establishment, some PHA's policies will state that you have to be living in the
county for a year and we did not choose to do that. What we will require as
verification to prove residency is a current lease or a utility bill or a car
registration, employment pay stubs to establish the residency preference and
basically what that does is, HUD says we cannot prohibit applicants but our
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residents will be able to be put up to the top and out of state applicants will be
at the bottom of the list.
Lee Loy: I had a follow up question to that.
Moore: Sure.
Lee Loy: You also mentioned elderly and disabled. How are we qualifying that,
those two categories?
Moore: Okay, elderly is 62 and above and the disabled is by social security
definition or by a medical professional who can verify that the person is
disabled.
Lee Loy: Thank you for answering those questions. Chair, I yield.
Moore: No problem.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you Ms. Lee Loy. Ms. Moore, if I could just ask a clarifying
question as well.
Moore: Sure.
Kierkiewicz: I'm assuming the reason why we're doing this preference is
because a sizeable number of our vouchers were going to non-residents? Are
you able to say what percentage?
Moore: That is correct. So when we opened the waiting list back in March and
it was open for a month, there were 30% of the about 4,000 applicants, 30%
were from out of the state.
Kierkiewicz: 30% from out of state.
Moore: Yes, and of the lottery, the 648, also 30% are from out of state,
applicants, it does not mean that they were able to find housing here.
Kierkiewicz: And so HUD rules are basically, you can use these vouchers
anywhere in the United States.
Moore: Anywhere. Right, and it's transportable too so we cannot prohibit, even
State people, residents to move out of state, they can take it wherever there is a
program.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you for that clarification.
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Moore: You're welcome.
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Kunz: Next amendment has to do with the homeownership programs. So, HUD
does allow, and we've utilized this option, to use the Housing Choice Voucher as
a subsidy not only for rent but for mortgage. In the previous, preference, we
required individuals in order to utilize this preference to provide a down
payment, 3% down payment, for those loans. We found that most individuals
were not able to do this. So what we're doing is we are amending this option,
we're not getting rid of it, we're just amending it to say that if the individual is
using an insured loan, or a loan that is guaranteed by the State or Federal
government, so for example, the VA loans or the rural housing loans, we will
follow the underwriting for those loans and a lot of times, those underwritings
does not require a down payment so we are going to be able to waive that
requirement going forward. Another amendment to the existing policy, when a
family is in debt to the program, meaning that they owe the Section 8 Program
funds, a lot of the times that will happen because say for example the individual
had a change in income and they didn't report it, so they are now making more
money and we're still subsidizing as if they were making less. So we identify what
that difference is and we required them in the past to make a full payment of
whatever it was that they were in debt for within 30 days and that's also a huge
burden for the family and in a lot of cases it caused them to be evicted or
evicted from the program at least. So what we are now doing is allowing for
repaying plans in the most basic of ways of explaining it. And the last
amendment ...
Kierkiewicz: Administrator, before we move on, I'm just curious because you
talk about this difference that they're having to pay back, are you able to give
us an estimate ballpark figure of what that looks like?
Kunz: I'm going to call of Desiree.
Kierkiewicz: Is it like $50, is it $300, just trying to get a sense of what folks have to
pay.
Moore: So there's a range depending on the family situation but we're seen
upwards, I think, we've had a landlord owe us $5,000 but that was in a
fraudulent case so it could be a few hundred dollars up to thousands
depending on how long they failed to report their income or the amount that
they're earning, the difference so of course if someone was reporting zero
income and got a good paying job and failed to report it for a year that would
be a substantial amount.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you for that.
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Moore: You're welcome.
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Kunz: The last adjustment to the Plan is to add the Emergency Housing Voucher
Program, outline for that program and if you remember I came before this body,
I think we went to Finance Committee and the Council, we received 110
emergency housing vouchers and about $1.1 million from HUD to run this
program, so we're adding this program to our Plan. Are there any questions?
Kierkiewicz: Ms. Lee Loy.
Lee Loy: Susan, thank you for being just so comprehensive. I wanted to walk
back to the purge to the wait list, cause there's conversations around the wait
list, if it's not used that there is a 15 day, right, there's a notice, you're on the
purge list, 15 days for an applicant to respond, it the letter is returned then there
is an additional 15 days, I just want to understand where that's coming from, it
that coming out of the HUD guidelines?
Kunz: It is coming out of the HUD guidelines, and I am going to call on Des
because we've been meeting pretty regularly with HUD and we're actually
been advised to lessen that period, that response period. So Des you want to
talk about that a little bit.
Moore: Okay, so an applicant, once they're selected off of the wait list, has 10
days to respond and historically, in the past, if they did not respond we would
send out an automatic appointment for 10 days later, it was recommended by
HUD that we shorten the time and do not allow the second appointment. If
they applied, especially recently right, we opened the waiting list in March, and
they are not responding to the selection, then we should move on so that we
can help others. And we will, with an exception, if they call us after the period,
and there's good cause or they are disabled, we will review the denial, so there
is a grievance process.
Lee Loy: There's a process. Great. Thank you, Chair, I yield.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you. Mr. Kanealii-Kleinfelder.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Thank you, Chair. Thanks Susan and your department.
Couple of questions, for the residency, can you touch on that a little bit more,
I'm getting that people from out of state can apply and if you're granted funds
you can also take those, the voucher and apply it anywhere even outside of the
state?
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Kunz: Yeah, so the Housing Choice Vouchers are portable meaning that an
individual who received a voucher here could actually move that voucher out
of state if they choose to leave.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: How long is that in effect for, for a year, for a month?
Kunz: As long as their eligible, I believe.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: And then we lose one voucher here and then that voucher
is now being used in a different state, different county.
Kunz: Right, but we also port in vouchers so there are individuals who want to
move to Hawai `i with a voucher, we have to accommodate them.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Okay, so it goes both ways.
Kunz: Des, maybe you can clarify the funding piece of the vouchers moving like
that.
Moore: We don't lose our voucher, when someone transfers to another
jurisdiction, the other PHA will administer the voucher for us and they bill us a fee.
If the PHA, receiving PHA, choses to absorb that person into their own program,
then our voucher is released, we can use it for someone on our list. We don't
lose it.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Second question then. Is it in our best interest to really
tighten those preferences up so that we have more residents able to use the
program, like you've done, you've touched on it a little bit but was there a
thought to really tighten that preference down to someone who is a resident,
resident versus someone who may be a resident?
Kunz: So remember now, the preferences are allowing an individual to move up
on the wait list, so we're prioritizing is what we're doing.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: As far as the residency aspect though, there is no
(inaudible) you would amend it, the residency preference.
Kunz: That didn't exist before.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: So you added that?
Kunz: Yes, we added that.
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Kanealii-Kleinfelder: So you added the residency and you are now requiring a
lease agreement or a registration, correct, as you stated, can that be tightened
even more to really define what a resident is?
Kunz: Des, I'll let you answer that.
Moore: We decided not to be so restrictive only because if there are homeless
families that are moving here and have been here for six months, we want to
include them and restricting the residency preference to only someone who
lived here for 12 months or more especially for the vulnerable population
wouldn't be a good idea.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Thank you, as what I was wonder, what was the reasoning.
And then I think before we had talked about programs to increase stock or to
help people, housing stock, or increase people's want to participate in the
program as far as homeowners, who want to rent out their houses. Has there
been any movement on that, have you seen an increase/decrease in stock as
far as our housing?
Kunz: So, I wish I could report something better to you. There has not been a
significant increase in the number of available units, it is one of the mission,
priorities of the Housing Office to work with developers to do this, so this part kind
of steps outside of the Section 8 Program, and it's what the Housing Office does
through our 201 H process, through Chapter 11 and just working directly with the
developers to encourage more affordable housing production. We see some
units in the pipeline, but certainly not yet at a number that we know we need,
but we constantly work at that every single day. Now, the Section 8 Program,
does have incentive programs, landlord incentive programs, that we have
instituted to promote or try to get landlords to participate, you know, we've
seen a little head way on that but not enough yet, I think we just need to keep
promoting the programs, if you're a first-time landlord coming on to the
program, there are incentives for you there, things like that.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: That's what we had talked about earlier, I just wanted to
see how that was going.
Kunz: Des, did you want to add anything further on the landlord incentive
program.
Moore: We've had about 140 new landlords but we've recently expanded the
program, it used to be just for new applicants who are newly leased, but we
expanded the program to now include current participants in which the
landlord decides to renew the lease so we're hoping that will enable housing
stability and have them not move out to do a whole new lease at six month or
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one year and at six months, it's 250, if it's a year, it's 500, so we want them to
renew their leases.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Little bit different approach but same idea and you said
140...
Moore: New landlords.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Okay, good, good, thank you, that's my questions. Thank
you, Chair.
Kierkiweicz: Mr. Inaba.
Inaba: Thank you, good morning. Just for clarification, these changes that are
being proposed here, are they being proposed or they've already taken effect?
Kunz: So we did a public, we are required to do a public posting, and we did
that, we incorporated whatever comments that we had and so this is being
proposed to this body.
Inaba: Got it, and is this a yearly Plan or this Plan sticks.
Kunz: This is Annual Plan. This will cover July 1St, 2021 through June 30th, 2022,
and so we'll be back before you next year.
Inaba: Okay, and then following up on the preference, previously we didn't
have the residency preference so for example this year when the people
applied you said it was up to 30% were non-residents, prior to this year have we
been granting those people just based on ...
Kunz: First come, first served.
Inaba: Got it. Okay, and then moving forward with the proposed changes, are
those different categories of preferences stackable so say they are a disabled
kupuna resident, does that put them higher on the list?
Kunz: Yes.
Inaba: How does that work in terms of preference stacking?
Kunz: I don't, Des, maybe you should take that.
Moore: Okay, so people who were terminated from the program, due to
insufficient funding will be the first, at the top of the list, that's if we terminated
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anybody from the program for insufficient funding and then it will be all residents
with a minor child or an elderly or disabled person will be next and then elderly
and disabled and everyone else will be after that, so out of state residents,
single households, single non -disabled households will be at the bottom. And
then regulatorily out of the order, or position number, 75% of all new admissions,
like Susan said, have to be at 30% or below, extremely low, so we will have to
screen based on their application to ensure that those applicants will be first. I
know it's a little complicated.
Inaba: And then just for informational purposes, we talked about fraud it was
mentioned earlier, how are we actually going to verify, or how does your office
verify this financial aspect of these applications?
Moore: So we require the applicants to provide their pay stubs and we also
have access to an electronic database through HUD that tells us when they
have a new hire report, and the report is also able to tell us if there's a
discrepancy in quarterly reporting by the employer so what we report to HUD is
matched to what is reported to, I guess, social security and then it's, if there's a
gap over 2500, if there's a discrepancy over, sorry, 2400 then it flags us that says
there may be an error here.
Inaba: Thank you so much. Chair, I yield.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you. Ms. Kimball.
Kimball: Thank you Chair and thank you Administrator Kunz for being here. Just
going back to the lottery process then, there were no preference of any kind
applied at that time, just making sure I understand.
Kunz: The preferences that were in the original Plan that was approved for this
year applied, but not these changes.
Kimball: Okay, and the bench mark of 75% at 30 and you may not be able to
specifically answer this, that's a pretty low bench mark particularly for Hawai `i
County, how likely is that bench mark to actually override these preferences? It
seems like there could be a shift based on that value overriding these other
preferences that you guys have identified, it's kind of a hypothetical but if you
can respond to that at all.
Kunz: I think what the staff is doing is looking at the preferences whenever we
have the waitlist open or individuals are coming on to the wait list without
having us to formally open it right, but I think before the vouchers are offered
and remember this applies to new applicants so they have to make sure that
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we are meeting this threshold that HUD sets otherwise they would have to move
on to the next applicant. Des, did you want to add anything more?
Moore: So let's say, I'll give you an example, for the priority is for a resident
family with a minor child and if they applied and met the income limits at 30%
when they did their initial application, and have since gotten employed and is
now at 60% AMI, they would have to wait until we have met, so we would help
all other families at 30% or below before this person, before the 60% AMI.
Kimball: Okay, great thank you for that clarification.
Kunz: But once they, my understanding, Des you can correct me if I'm wrong, is
once they qualify at 30% and say they get into the program and now she's
found a job, she still has to report the income but it doesn't then disqualify them,
is that correct Des?
Moore: Correct, correct, so once you're a participant, this is only at admission
when the income limits apply because the program is, our goal is to get you self-
sufficient so we want you to work, we want you get off of Tanif, financial
assistance and so it's an incentive, you would pay your portion, the tenant's
portion of the rent will increase but we don't terminate you from the program
unless they've become fully self-sufficient where their making enough money to
pay their full rent.
Kimball: Okay, so at the point of application is really where that benchmark of
30% is evaluated then they get on the waiting list and then the preferential
treatment applies so given that 30% benchmark, do we have a pretty sufficient
number of folks on the waiting list that are residents that meet that threshold.
Kunz: I would say yes, but Des can give the details.
Moore: So the latest data that I had for the past year showed that almost 80%
of our families, actually more than that, are at extremely low at 30% or below so
we do meet our requirements. That's the reason why we had expanded up to
80% is because we are meeting our 75% and wanted to give more moderate
income families a chance to be stabilized.
Kimball: Thank you for that. Just one last question based on something you
briefly said about how of course these will not apply for folks that are already on
the waiting list, how many do we have on the waiting list at this point and how
will it take to get...
Kunz: We're actually trying to get through a waiting list that we opened up, I
think it was in April sometime, but Des can you give us an update on that?
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Moore: We have exhausted the list, so 648 applicants have been offered
assistance and I think there may be about 200 that we're going through the
process of determining eligibility so we're actually getting ready to open the
wait list again, that's the reason we needed to get the amendments in before
we open the wait list to ensure that the changes are in effect. Also, I wanted to
clarify one of the preferences so the emergency need preference is not subject
to the opening and closing of the wait list so that is a big change, we expanded
the opportunity so that population will be allowed to apply through a referral
system on an on-going basis so it will remain open for homeless and displaced
through a supportive service agency so, or it could be a government, non-profit,
charitable, mental health, health clinic, hospital any agency that has a
supportive service for the homeless population or someone who is displaced will
be able to refer on an on-going basis. We expect the amount once it's out
there will be long so we will do a lottery system when we offer.
Kunz: Des, thank you for that I forgot about that piece. And just to point out,
similar to the emergency housing voucher where we're doing a referral system
but it does not have to be a member of the local CoC or the Community
Alliance Partners. We are expanding what we're doing with the regular housing
choice vouchers.
Kimball: Thank you. To reiterate, at this point, the waiting list is exhausted and so
these amendments will apply to any new applicants once the waiting list is
opened again. Thank you so much, I yield.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you. I just want to check in to see if Mr. Richards or Ms.
Villegas has any questions before I take another round here in Hilo.
Villegas: No, thank you. Many of the questions that I might have asked have
already been asked, so thank you for your thorough questioning.
Kierkiewicz: Great, thanks. Mr. Richards.
Richards: No questions, just wanted to comment, your whole Housing, your
amendments are very well thought and I really like the direction of all this, so I
wanted to compliment you and your team as far as what you've done, that's all
I wanted to say, I yield.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you. Mr. Kanealii-Kleinfelder.
Kanealli-Kleinfelder: Thank you, Chair. Got a low level question, how do we
increase the amount of vouchers that we have, I think I ask this every time but
some reason...
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Kunz: It's a HUD calculation and unfortunately I don't have any control of it but
the one thing I can tell you is that the only performance measure is that we
spend this money and so I just heard an update from my staff that we've now
exhausted the wait list which means we can go out again but we need to keep
the money spent so that monies don't get taken away from us but it's based on
a calculation and I don't what it is off the top of my head but it is HUD driven.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Okay, does anyone on your staff know what that is without
getting too, one of those basic perimeters that guide.
Moore: I don't have an answer for what determines our baseline amount but I
will say that we also have the opportunity to apply for other specialty vouchers,
for veterans, for non -elderly disabled, for foster youth, so HUD has started issuing
or making available these special purpose vouchers and so it's, we apply for
those whenever we can and it's renewed annually also so for instance we
started with 25 VA we're now up to 60 and we applied again this year so we're
waiting for the determination on the amount of vouchers and allocation for
funding that we'll get from that.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Is it population based, is it just County specific.
Kunz: I would expect that might be but we could ask.
Moore: Yeah, I'll ask. I don't know if it's based on the census, I can't remember
off the top of my head.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Would be good to know. I think I've asked this before but I
can't remember, the answer is not there so I'll ask it again but I think if we're real
clear on that maybe the Council can help push that data out and get that out
when it's time to ask for more funding or whatever that may be. Thank you, I
yield, Chair.
Kunz: Okay, will do.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you. Administrator, just a couple more questions for you and
Des. I'm just wondering if I can get a little more details around the incentive
programs for landlords, what sort of tactics are you employing to build up that
base, what's worked so far and what else are you looking to get creative with
experiment with.
Kunz: Des, I'm going to let you take that.
Moore: We have to beef up, I'll be honest, we have to beef up our marketing
right now, we do want to, there's talk about doing some type of social media
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because that's how everyone gets their information right now, but we do realize
our marketing needs to be a little bit better on that.
Kierkiewicz: I'm just curious if there's any targeted sort of messaging
conversations say with the number of realtor groups that are around the island, I
know that rotary clubs and chambers of commerce are also connected to folks
that may have available housing stocks so also trying to get a sense on who
your target audience has been and if any of those audiences haven't been
reached, maybe just a suggestion to reach out to them as well.
Moore: Yeah, we haven't been to the NARPM meetings this year but we do
reach out to our current property management company and try to work
through them to get more owners to buy into the program so we've worked with
the existing property management company.
Kierkiewicz: Okay, maybe another suggestion, Administrator, Des, a
presentation to the Vibrant Hawai `i Housing Coalition, lot of folks around the
island...
Kunz: I think we did do that.
Kierkiewicz: Okay, maybe one more time because I'm assuming that you have
made some changes and refinements to the program and just want to make
sure that this is top of mind for them.
Kunz: Okay.
Kierkiewicz: Couple of other things, the down payment assistance program
using the HOME funds, that's correct, how much are you looking at, what sort of
pot of money are we working with?
Kunz: Des, do you have a dollar amount that we've designated? I don't
believe that's a cap.
Moore: We don't have down payment assistance program, we used to have
one but we don't have that program.
Kunz: I think she's referring to the amendment where we assist individuals with
subsidies for mortgage payments?
Moore: Oh, I'm sorry, the Homeownership Option Program, if you have a
conventional loan and non -backed government loan, the down payment is 3%,
1 % must come from the participant, 1 % of the 3% must come from the
participant. But most of our participants are, they qualify for first time home
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buyer programs which require no down payment so that's the reason for the
change, there were conflicting policies.
Kierkiewicz: Yes, got those details, just wondering, have you designated are you
looking for a million for the program, three million, is there a range in which you
want to be designated.
Moore: So that would be determined by the amount, the 25% above the 75
required for the 30% AMI only because home ownership, there's all these other
qualifications, they have to be employed, they have to have a credit score, so
there's all these variables so they're more likely be in the higher income level,
more moderate income level so I'm, I think we said in our policy, I think we
opted to get five additional homeownership options this year. We only currently
have seven, three of which were closed escrow this fiscal year.
Kunz: So there's no dollar cap?
Moore: There's no dollar amount, it depends...
Kierkiewicz: It's a set amount of folks you can help is what I'm....
Moore: No...
Kunz: This category of individuals who qualify for this program, or would be
coming in for a mortgage subsidy program would be those at 50% to 80% AMI,
right, they're not going to be at the lower income and what will cap it is us
meeting or exceeding this 25% threshold (inaudible) of the new applicants only
25% that be in that AMI, so that's the cap.
Kierkiewicz: Got it, thank you. And then, just a clarifying question as I was
reading through the Plan I noticed a moving up strategy, is this the same thing
as the Emergency Housing Voucher Program? And the reason why I bring that
up is because I was going through the testimony that was provided as part of
the packet, there are a number of folks that really wanted to make sure that
OHCD is going to be continuing the Moving Up Program, so just trying to get
clarification.
Kunz: Yes, it is. I apologize it is not on my list here but there is a preference for
Moving Up program.
Kierkiewicz: That's separate from the Emergency Housing because the Moving
Up is intended to support homeless individuals.
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Kunz: It's intended to support like those programs that are not permanent
programs like the FYI Program, the Foster Youth Program, there's several others
that I'm not thinking of right now.
Kierkiewicz: That program, that specific strategy, Moving Up, it's successful, it
seems according to the testimony.
Kunz: Yes, and we want to provide, you know, the basis for on-going support to
those who are in those programs because they are only limited, limited time.
Kierkiewicz: So the Moving Up vouchers, are these also coming from the
Section 8 that we're talking about here?
Kunz: Yes, all Section 8, Housing Choice Voucher.
Kierkiewicz: There is no special purpose?
Kunz: No.
Kierkiewicz: Okay, and then have you identified how much you're going to
allocate for the Moving Up strategy? I think when you guys piloted, it said about
a hundred.
Kunz: Yeah, I don't believe that we have, Des?
Moore: Yeah, okay, so the Moving Up strategy is basically a conversion from
temporary housing to permanent housing and I think each category, foster
youth, veterans and home tenant based rental assistance program will be
limited to 15 or, for each category, 15 turnovers or absorbsions, so the way this
works is they will be absorbed into our program as long as they qualify and in
good standing, so let's say, foster youth is a 36 month program, at the end of the
36 months we will put them onto the regular Section 8 program. And I think right
now we have about nine of them and 18 applicants, right now. That comes
from a referral from Child Welfare Service. The other one was VA, so if the VA no
longer needs clinical, clinical assistance and they get severed from their VA
program, we can absorb them into the Section 8 program cause it doesn't
necessarily mean they no longer need housing, they just don't need the
supportive service from VA.
Kierkiewicz: Got it. I really appreciate those details, Administrator Kunz, Des
and the entire division working on this, thank you, it's certainly a lot to manage I
think we all really appreciate these very thoughtful amendments and how
you've identified issues that are happening on the ground and really translated
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into strengthening programs that we can ensure residences have housing. Ms.
Lee Loy did you have a last question before I move to the vote.
Lee Loy: I did, and I'm going to be supporting these amendments on this policy
shift. I just wanted to understand for the use of the Section 8 housing voucher, I
understand the income levels, who we're trying to help, the fine tuning what
that product is like as far as the housing, is it a studio with a bathroom, a
kitchenette, can we use ADUs, our SDUs, our ohanas, is this ways to qualify some
of the existing housing or future development of a 900 square foot ADU, help me
connect how these vouchers could incentivize the construction of housing.
Kunz: So, the units in order to qualify for the subsidy and to house those
individuals with a subsidy they have to be meeting County Code. There is also a
guideline of the number of units and number bedrooms that a family can rent
for the number of people in the household. That's the guideline. So, you know
that we have families, we have individuals and we have families of, big families,
so we don't limit that and the voucher is going to pay 30% of that household's
income, whatever that is.
Lee Loy: So then we could actually stack along with preferences multi-
generational homes who have our kupuna, who has a disabled family member
in a 5 -bedroom home, love it! Chair, I yield.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you. Mr. Chung.
Chung: Thank you. I just have a few short questions, and Susan or Des, either
one of you can answer, it has to do with the voucher system. First of all,
historically, have we ever had any problem with spending all the money related
to the vouchers.
Kunz: Not on my watch.
Chung: Then, have there been people who have not been able to avail
themselves of these vouchers.
Kunz: Are there people who have not been able to get vouchers?
Chung: Yes.
Kunz: Yes.
Chung: So we don't have, so we cannot satisfy the demand, basically.
Kunz: I guess you could say that.
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Chung: Yeah, okay. Explain to me, this is, you heard a lot of questions relating
to the residency, that's something I think that many of us feel that is very
important, right, cause we want to help people who have been here many
years, there's a lot of history here and don't have the mobility to move to other
places for whatever reason, they kind of stuck here so we want to help them.
Explain what went into the decision-making in not going with the one-year
residency, I know touched we upon it briefly and there was some mention
about people may be coming from the mainland with families who are here for
six months and we wanted to help them and of course we all understand but
there was also mentioned that other jurisdictions are able to do that so obviously
it's legal so from a public policy stand point, explain to me what kinds of
discussions were made in that regard, when is the last time something like this
was put in place, the one-year, was it ever?
Kunz: I don't know if it was ever put into place here in Hawaii County, there
was a lot of discussion about how strict we were going to be, you know, Des did
explain a little bit about making sure that if an individual was here for six months
and is now finding it difficult to be housed, that we have the option to support
them and I think maybe it was erring on the side of being more inclusive as we
put into play this policy we that we never had in place before. There's certainly
an opportunity if we find that this is not restrictive enough and we're still finding a
lot of individuals coming on to the wait list, I mean we could certainly come
back to do another revision but I think it was trying to be inclusive.
Chung: And nobody can fault you guys for that, of course, that is a good policy
to advance but unless I misheard what was stated, did you guys say that about
30 to 33% of the recipients of these vouchers are from out of state.
Kunz: The last time we opened the wait list.
Chung: How does that number, that percentage stack up with other
jurisdictions, how does it compare, is that a high number, a low number, just
around average.
Kunz: Good question, Des, would you happen to know?
Moore: I don't, in comparison to our in-state PHAs, I don't know what that is.
Chung: What you guys want to do, food for thought, go back take a look at
that, go do some comparison analysis because that might be a good starting
point to see if the inclusion policy is working or not. That's all I have to say.
Thank you.
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Kunz: Thank you.
September 7, 2021
Kierkiewicz: Thank you. Seeing as there are no other comments or questions,
we have a motion on the floor to approve the PHA Annual Plan Amendments,
all in favor please say aye, any opposed? Motion carries with eight aye votes.
Thank you. On to the next item of business, Coronavirus Relief for Families
Program Update, may I have a motion to close file on this presentation? Thank
you, motion by Ms. Lee Loy, second by Mr. Kanealii-Kleinfelder, Administrator
Kunz you have the floor.
Kunz: Thank you so much for this opportunity to provide you some updates on
the programs, you know, we've come before you with appropriation after
appropriation for a lot of different programs in the last few months and I'm sure
that a lot of this list of programs is somewhat familiar so I have two of my staff
who are on Zoom who will be doing this presentation, Sharon Hirota who leads
these programs, oversees all of these programs and all of her staff, Kelci Wandell
out of Kona. So I'm going to allow them to present to you an update and
maybe give you a little more information about how these programs are doing
and what they're for. Sharon?
Hirota: Hi. I'm sharing my screen, can you guys all see my Power Point
presentation?
Kierkiewicz: Yes, we can see it and we hear you perfectly. Hi Sharon.
Hirota: Hi, good morning, Council Chair and members of the Housing Agency
thank you very much for giving the Office Housing the opportunity to share the
work that we're doing in the community in response to the Coronavirus
pandemic. As Director said, thank you very much, we've been in and out of
Council, Finance and appreciate our request to waive out of Finance and into
Council to ensure that we meet deadlines given to us and I know it seems like
it's always last minute but there are, it's more of a state government saying you
need to do within an x amount of period of time and we try to be ahead of
them so that the all resolutions and ordinances are in place when we receive
the funding so again, I just want to say thank you, appreciate it. So today we're
going to cover four different programs that we are currently administering, the
Emergency Rent and I put in parenthesis and Utility Assistance Program, the
Landlord/Tenant Mediation Program, our Financial Empowerment Center and
then our proposed Homeowner Assistance Fund Program and this morning I'm
very fortunate to have our partners on board with us by Zoom that would be
sharing more in detail about the programs so first we, first off I have Jeff Gilbreth,
Executive Director, Hawai `i Community Lending, who's with us this morning to
share more details about our emergency rent and I always put in parenthesis
utilities, people sometimes, we're learning, think that we're only helping them
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with rent but it's actually to address both rent as well as utilities. This is a federally
funded program, Hawaii County was very fortunate that it received a direct
allocation from the U.S. Department of Treasury. Hawai `i County as well as the
City and County of Honolulu were the only two counties that received a direct
outside of the State's allocation, so Maui, Kauai is in a sub -award agreement
with the State, so we got a little over 12.8 million dollars directly from the Treasury
and then through a State sub -award agreement, the State gave us an
additional 6.1 million, so for this program only we have 18.9 million dollars to
spend. We implemented the program in April of this year and Jeff will share
more in detail but I think what highlights our implementation is the method in
which Hawaii Community Lending has implemented the program here on
Hawai `i Island in working together with various non -profits to do it. There's lots of,
this is our second round so in August in 2020 we launched the first rent and
mortgage assistance program and there were lots lessons learned there and so
we issued the RFP we incorporated those into it making it a much more effective
and efficient way to bring up services. So I just wanted to confirm, Jeff, are you
with us?
Gilbreth: Yes, I'm here Sharon.
Hirota: I'll let you take over from here.
Gilbreth: Mahalo, Sharon and mahalo Council Members, it's so great to be here
with you and presenting on this program. So Sharon has shared with you folks
this partnership is unlike any other in the State of Hawai `i for the emergency
rental assistance. There's seven on island, non -profits that are working in the
trenches processing applications, paying out funds which we found is a strategy
to make sure there is no bottle neck in terms of dollars getting out, the doors of
the program have (inaudible) non-profit administering, we have six that are
cutting checks which means we have six back offices able to wire funds, cut
checks, right there on island. We're using the single data management
database called STREAK that's being managed by Neighborhood Place of
Puna and all of our partners are putting data into that system to make sure there
is no duplication of financial support. Going all the way back to March 2020
including other programs that have been administered even by other agencies
that aren't on our team at this point. The funds themselves, there has been a lot
of, as I'm sure you folks have seen, lot of changes to the program federally and I
think the federal government experienced that we've had is this that
administration came in an wrote rules very quickly on the funding in comparison
to the previous administration where there wasn't a lot of guidance and so with
that guidance they're pretty restrictive at the beginning and we've now seen
the program open up because we're hearing from the federal government they
want to see dollars spent at the jurisdiction level, the reality is, is that the
program needed to be more flexible to meet the needs of local families and so
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now we're offering rent and utility payments, rental deposits and payments of
temporary hotel and motel stays and this can happen, these payments can
happen between March 2020 and end in December, the first traunch of funds
not to exceed 15 months assistance. The temporary hotel and motel stays, I will
tell you, these are for folks who have been evicted or homeless as a result of
persons coming back to live in their property as homeowners or property owners
are coming back to live in or selling the property, (inaudible) buyers in particular
and so these temporary hotel and motel stays have been critical to keep our
families housed at this time as housing navigators work to find something more
permanent and there's great support on that but happy to take more questions
as they come. They also opened up the rules so that you don't have to be
directly impacted by COVID you now can be indirectly impacted by COVID, in
our estimate everybody on this call is potentially impacted indirectly by COVID
and so that opened the door, to say okay if you're alone come rent on Hawai `i
Island you can qualify for assistance. Sharon, if you could continue. In terms of
key points that you folks should know, as you go out sharing in your communities
and with your constituents, these are only for primary residence, so folks have to
be a resident and renting on Hawai `i Island, they have to be low income so 80%
AMI and down and they have to provide proof of hardship whether that's due
to COVID with an unemployment letter or PUA approval letter or other financial
hardship which they can attest too in writing which is allowed by the federal
government and payments are going directly to landlords, property managers,
utility companies to make sure those dollars flow. Sharon if you could continue.
We have just recently, again, the federal government changes some rules,
provide some more funds, we move and so work real closely with Sharon and
her team and non -profits here locally to get housing stability services up and
running so there's some exciting things happening folks. We will be, we've gone
through contract modifications, we've added in partners through Legal Aid
Society is now a partner, they will providing legal service to make sure we have
enough capacity on island to address that need, we're also adding in Vibrant
Hawai `i to have community navigators who will help get word out, not just
about our program but all the programs you'll be hearing about today and
other who provide financial assistance so there can be that personal touch, that
trust built, out in hard to reach communities in particular. They will be financial
counseling through the Financial Empowerment Centers, making sure families
have the emergency budget to whether this storm. We'll have additional
housing navigators on island, Neighborhood Place of Puna and HOPE Services,
we have a contingency fund that if folks do end up staying at a hotel or motel
stay for some time and there's damage beyond normal wear and tear of a
hotel stay, we can help make hotels and motels whole on that damage to
make sure we're a good partner and to make sure they open these units not just
because of this crisis but potentially for those for the future. And then lastly,
making sure that we have a pot of funds for additional deposits for families that
are low income and maybe need to compete in the marketplace which is really
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tough right now and so we can do an additional deposit, we can also help with
storage moving costs what have you, this contract essentially this extends us
through June 30, 2022 or once the first round of funds are exhausted. Continue
on Sharon. If you want more information, this is the website you can go to, on
that website, I'll tell you there's some key points. Sharon if you want to continue
on. The main thng is, is where to apply, these are the six non -profits that I
mahalo deeply, these folks have been in the trenches fighting hard since April
2020 and they continue to work hard, I give them so much gratitude and
mahalo and you folks should be proud of these people. Folks can apply in
person, they can apply by phone, they can go on-line to any of these six
partners and get that application in and so I just mahalo them and you should
know they are working very hard for the community and for you folks. Continue
on Sharon. This gives you a snapshot of where we were at last week so we've
since have gotten a report we're at close to five million dollars disbursed to I
think 750 approved applicants but this gives you some data on that dashboard,
if you folks go here weekly on every Wednesday it's updated so if you want to
know where we stand, what's happening, this will give you the information that
you're looking for. Seeing the duplicate application numbers that have been
disapproved, this tells us this system is working so using one data system tells us
we're not doubling up on payments out to families so this represents that if an
individual applies with two non -profits, three or four, they'll be denied from the
ones where their application was the latest and taken only by one non-profit to
be applied to the first, obviously, missing documents is one thing we continue to
struggle with in this program though it represents about 1 % of applications, 10%,
continuing on, applications received, this gives you a sense of who's applying, I
will tell you self-employed individuals has increased significantly over the last
month. I think the numbers of employed folks and those recently returned to
work, just going to share with you where we are at as an economy, what are we
looking at when 56% of folks are applying and they are unemployed and you're
seeing about 18% returning back to work, still have a significant number of folks
having reduced work hours and we have this aggregated data by gender
head of household as well as race and ethnicity, we felt this was critical to make
sure that we are addressing the needs of those disproportionately impacted
economically by COVID. Continue on Sharon. This shares with you folks those
who have now received funding and those who have been approved and so I
can't stress enough, families are coming to us with about $27,000 annually and
that's hard to afford anything. I just want you to know this program is helping a
significant numbers of families under 50% AMI so very low income folks, with
average grant is about 3,500 bucks but I really, I want to point your attention to
that number of total individuals approved, households, this program has helped
21,000, 21,090 children and adults on Hawai `i island stay housed stably and
that's just from the financial assistance and you know, in terms of, if you're
looking at the race and ethnicity data, the gender data, this aggregated, we're
essentially seeing a proportional amount of applications, received applications
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approved, so that tells us we're address this disproportionate impact and
women and native Hawaiian (inaudible) across the islands, just wanted to share
that and Sharon I think that might be the end of what I've got, these are your
partners and we're going to be adding Legal Aid, Vibrant Hawaii on there and
that will be the team for now, we'll grow as time goes, possibly the mediation
centers. Sharon I'll hand it back over to you and I mahalo you folks.
Hirota: Thanks, Jeff and thank you for joining us, again, as Jeff said, this work
could not have been done without true partnerships and using one application,
one database to track all the data to minimize duplication and then to ensure
people are provided assistance in a timely manner, more importantly I want to
give great kudos to not only the leaders of these organizations but those
individuals working in our trenches that are receiving the applications,
processing and the data management team who allows the County to ensure
that we meet the federally funded reporting requirements which is always
changing, I appreciate all of them and to ensure that the payments are being
done in a timely manner. So, any questions for Jeff, if not, we'll continue on.
Kimball: Hello, thanks for the presentation both of you. I just had a question
about the applicants that were disapproved for missing documents, just curious
if you've disaggregated that and determined, are there certain things that
people seem to be missing in particular that we can make sure to share out that
they have if they apply for this program?
Gilbreth: That's a great question, thank you for that. We have dug through the
data the in system and, you know I'll tell you, income documents and even
copies of executed rental lease agreements can be tough to locate and
especially on the income documents side, the number of family members who
are adult household members earning, can be tough sometimes, they're having
three or four persons documents and so we continue to go back through and
contact those families, we even been working with Micronesians United Big
Island and the instances where English has a second language to be able to
make sure that we're properly communicating the need and the documents
that are needed, after three touches and we're not hearing from folks, we do
disapprove them but we encourage them to apply back any time and so you
know, it is discouraging I think with any program the more paperwork that you
have to put together, I will tell you, we've moved toward promoting the income
attestation form which the federal government has encouraged us to do as a
way to streamline some of the process if we can't initially get all the documents,
federal government is saying, here, come sign this form and they can move,
we'll also working with the landlords, if there's not an executed, signed lease
agreement in the tenant's hands, if the landlord wants his money, I think they've
been happy to provide that executed lease agreement so we're seeing that
number reduce but I think that will be a constant with this program, you know,
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as I said just continue to message folks on that website: hawaiicountyerap.org,
there's a documents checklist and if you folks, if you're doing anything,
messaging out to your constituents, I would really encourage them, first get your
documents together and that list is provided on the website there under
Documents, the Documents Checklist prior to applying and that will help them
streamline a bit.
Kimball: Thank you, that's very, very helpful cause we do get a lot of questions
about what documentation is needed. The other question I had was, at this
point, roughly 25% has been disbursed, is that amount calculated across that
whole 15 month timeframe, I'm wondering about the longevity of this program
which the remaining funds available, how many more families do you think we
can add on to this program?
Gilbreth: Yeah, that's another good question. So actually these funds that
we're referencing here today are those that have been spent since end of April
so this was under a separate pot of funds from the rent and mortgage
assistance program where we disbursed I think around 11 million, and so with
this, our projection show that by end of September we should have committed
close to six million dollars, that would help about 900 households roughly 2500
residents. There's a second traunch of funds, I think which Sharon pointed too,
and so those funds will actually carry us through to June 30, 2022 and our
assumption is is that by the end, by that point, our projection show about 1800
households will be served under this program, roughly we could be looking at
close to 5000 residents stably housed as a result, those are just based on
projections and what we are finding is there's folks that are applying now that
didn't get anything as far back as March 2020 and so we're seeing larger
amounts of disbursements come out and possibly fewer families but that's where
our numbers point too right now.
Kimball: Great, thank you so much so that, thorough response and everything
you and your partners are doing to help house, keep our families housed, I yield
Chair.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you. Jeff, I had a question, I'm on your website right now
and maybe it's just me but I'm not able to access the data maps regarding
applications received and where funds have been awarded. I just wanted to
flag that it said I needed to either request access or it didn't exist but I'm really
curious about that data, you know a number, there's so many (inaudible)
around the island particularly in Puna and Ka`u and so I was curious around how
many applications you have been seeing from those regions and how many
pay outs are actually happening, you talk about wanting to make sure the most
vulnerable are getting this support, so I'm just curious where are you getting the
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most applications and where's it's going out now and where it is in which you
need better support.
Gilbreth: Yeah, good question. I'll make sure that we'll double check on that
website, Councilmember, in terms of applications received and those being
paid out, we are tracking by zip codes, right now we're seeing Hilo and Kona
having the most in terms of applications and those approved, I don't think that
should be a surprise, but in the Puna and Ka`u districts, what I can do
Councilmember, actually for all the districts, we have data by zip code and I
can pull that together and get that back to you folks in response so you have it,
I do think, getting outside of Hilo and Kona we are constantly needing to get on
the ground and honestly go knock on doors. In support of the solution with
Vibrant Hawaii and housing stability services is to get community navigators
potentially students from the University who are from those communities and
they're knocking on doors and neighbors, friends and families let them know
about this program to build that trust kind of right off the bat but I don't have
that readily available, Councilmember, but I can provide it to you in a follow up.
Kierkiewicz: Jeff, no worries, just curious, yes, if you could get us that data, I
know that we'd appreciate it. Thank you. Any other questions? Mr. Kdnealii-
Kleinfelder.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Thank you, Chair. I just watching everything happening
right now as far as the ups and downs in the business community with COVID
cases, we have a person who is just seeing a lower wage or lack of hours and
bouncing in between jobs, no job, job, no job, on hold, on pause, are they, I'm
guessing, yes, are they, can they apply for these funds as well?
Gilbreth: Absolutely Councilmember.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Okay, that's good. I mean it's, we're going to be in a
weird pattern watching the COVID and the way the Delta variant is affecting us
and I wanted to make sure that everyone knows that these funds are very open
and that it just takes the application, get your documents together and then
hopefully getting some funding and what's amazing to me you're able to
actually back fund to March 2020, if they didn't come in and apply earlier. A lot
of people I know just, there's this thing where someone else needs it more than
us or our family is doing okay you know, we're not struggling too bad but
someone else could use it more than us and they're not taking advantage of it, I
keep telling them the funding is there, take advantage of the funding and make
sure you guys are okay and get ahead and not fall behind so it's incredibly
important. I'll help message this to our Facebook page and social media and I
thank you for the presentation today.
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Gilbreth: Thank you Councilmember and just your last point, I think we're
hearing a lot of that, I think our local families are humble, they feel like they're
not struggling at this moment, putting together whatever funds they have to pay
for housing, that might mean they are not paying for other needs and so I
appreciate them, I think Councilmember, if there is any way we can help
message your constituents that this program is open and available, we want to
work with you so just tap me, let me know and I'll be happy to work with your
offices to get that done.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: I would offer that I have heard from people I that know
very well that they didn't there is any programs still available. I keep pointing
them to this website and others saying just go and log in and sign in. It is hard to
reach everyone, I'll do what I can to help you out. Thank you.
Kierkiewicz: Thanks you guys. No other questions for this particular program I
know you have to get through a few more, feel free to continue. Great to see
you, Jeff.
Gilbreth: Mahalo.
Hirota: Thanks, Jeff. Thank you to everyone. So next on our schedule, we'll
move this along, we want to be mindful of your folks time, is the Landlord/Tenant
Mediation Program. This was funded through the State through a sub -award
agreement so although its coming through the State its federal funds, contract
period currently is August 1 It to July 31 It and in essence this program was
program was created under Act 57 which was signed by the Governor back in
August of this year, July of this year and we are currently on contract with West
Hawai `i Mediation Center in partnership with the Kuikahi Mediation Center to
implement this program and we have both Eric Paul, Executive Director of the
West Hawaii Mediation Center as well as Julie Mitchell, Executive Director of the
Kuikahi Mediation Center here this morning to join us and share more
information about the programs, so Eric, I'll turn it over to you.
Paul: Mahalo, Sharon, mahalo Councilmembers for listening to how we're
helping our residents here in Hawaii County through mediation and in
partnership with several other agencies and community, including Jeff's Hawai `i
Community Lending, Legal Aid, etc., so in short, I'm going to share a little bit and
then I'm going to hand it over to Julie, my counterpart in Hilo at Kuikahi
Mediation Center, we're really working hard to make this kind of a uniform
program for the full County and working together in order to really serve the
residents here. So this is a Countywide program, we act as a direct service
agency that offers mediation for landlords and tenants to come together but
we also work with referrals for those who call in whether that's with Legal Aid or
Hawai `i Community Lending and Hope Services. The State moratorium ended
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on August 6th and as it expired, Act 57 was enacted which was signed by
Governor Ige, this new law requires that landlords provide the option of
mediation to tenants before landlords can file a summary possession case in
court. So the same week that the State moratorium ended, the CDC extended
a federal moratorium and two weeks ago that moratorium was overturned by
the Supreme Court. As of today, September 7th, landlords who have tenants
who are three or more months behind on rent can begin the mediation eviction
process. For tenants in Hawaii County, landlords must email the 15 -day notice
to the mediation center or give us a call on the side on which their tenant lives
so if they live west side, they call West Hawaii Mediation Center, they live on the
east side, they call Kuikahi Mediation Center and the landlord will receive an
email confirmation back, kind of a form letter, letting them know that the
process has started for them. Sharon, if you could go to the next slide for me. So
it's really important for landlords it's kind of a dual process, they need to let their
tenants know that the eviction process has started but they also need to call the
mediation center right away when they've received the notice because
mediation for us has to be scheduled within 15 days from the date of that
notice. Now the mediation doesn't have to occur within that 15 -day scheduling
period but we are letting the landlords know as the process goes whether or not
those mediations are being scheduled and when. So the mediation center will
then schedule those mediations as soon as possible, we're working with
contract mediators in order to expedite that process and then after 30 days
from the date of notice, the landlord can then file for summary possession
eviction case in court. So that's kind of the process that it goes, both of our
centers have case managers that are strictly devoted to this program as well as
contract mediators that are working with in order to make sure that the program
itself, the mediations, can go as efficiently as possible. So I'm going to hand it
over to Julie now, she'll go over a few other things.
Mitchell: Hello, thank you for having us today, we appreciate sharing with you
folks. So, I think most of you here today are familiar with the non-profit mediation
centers do and how we help our community and are aware that Act 57 is the
Statewide program so the five non-profit community mediation centers in the
State have been working closely together on this program and we will send
people in the right direction because again people may call a different center
and so we'll direct them to where ever the rental unit is located to that
mediation center. So, for mediation, we're letting the landlords and tenants
know that mediation is a safe, private and confidential process, it helps people
make their own decisions about their own issues rather than having the courts or
the judges have to decide. The goal is to help improve the communication
between the landlords and tenants, it's been very strained during COVID times
so we've had situations where the landlords were not sure how to approach
their tenants and the tenants are behinds and maybe shame or what have you
and so don't want to approach the landlords so a lot of the work that we're
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doing is bridging the gap between those folks and also sharing resources with
folks, for example, we are sending everyone information about the rental,
Emergency Rental Assistance Program so that landlords and tenants both have
that information like one of the Councilmembers said, I can't remember who
now, but the people, I think it was Matt, people still don't know about this
program so sometimes we're sharing it with people who call for the very first time
or they have heard on the news that it's run out of money and that's Oahu's
program, not Hawai `i County. Mediation is very different than going to court
and in court everything is public, it's intimidating, it's very formal, it's based on
legal precedence and in mediation we can help people talk story, talk story
with the mediators, talk story with each other, by being impartial, the mediators
demonstrate to the participants that they don't really have a stake in what's
happening, they do have stake in helping people see if they can work it out on
their own and to see if people can negotiate some solutions going forward, I
can tell you over here the mediation agreements so far have all included rental
assistance either continuing on with the application, continuing to
communicate because it's been granted or applying for the very first time. If
people are able to come with a mediated agreement, that helps them avoid
court so I think one of the big empathise behind this program is to divert cases to
mediation so that we're preventing eviction, we're preventing people from
potentially becoming houseless and preventing an on slot in the courts of
summary possession cases and so this is kind of like the last stop where the
people can make the decisions for themselves to avoid going through that
court process. Next slide, Sharon. And so some things that we anticipate
negotiating and we also anticipate some very creative solutions that may not
be on this list so we're looking at a combination of these usually so for example,
let's apply for rental assistance together, it's going to cover up to this many
months and then there may be other months that are not covered, let's do a
payment plan for those, is there an opportunity to do some work trade, to work
off some of this money owed, what about going forward, so let's say rental
assistance is going to cover you for 12 months, what about the next four months
of rent that are coming up before the end of year and in some instances it may
be moving out is the preferred solution so we've had some agreements where
we've seen that the landlords agrees to let the tenant move out and waive all
back rents owed and just keep the security deposit in order to recoup, reclaim
the unit and then that's also help for the tenant who wants to leave without
having an eviction on their record. Anything else that would support folks to
come to resolution together is something that we are in favor of so it's very
unique to each person, I mean there are going to be some similarities but each
agreement is written separately and independently of each other one, every
other one, so that people can come up with whatever creative solutions work
for them and their specific situation. Next slide, Sharon. We have dedicated
web pages, dedicated emails and dedicated phone numbers specifically for
this program and again, it's based on where the rental unit is located so where
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the renter is located. If people mistakenly call the wrong center whether it's on
our island or in the state, we will refer them to the correct location, we'll just do a
warm hand off to the other mediation center saying this is actually is someone in
your area and so again, we're working closely together, Eric and I, and we're
also working closely with the other centers in the state to try to make this
program as effective and beneficial to folks as possible and we're hoping that
the messaging becomes even more clear on its availability and we're going to
be ramping up our outreach and marketing efforts, we're waiting until October
3rd when the CDC eviction moratorium was supposed to expire to do a big push
because there has been some confusing messaging so we'll be continuing to
do a lot of community education around this program. And that's it for our
section. If there's any questions, Eric and I will do our best to answer them.
Hirota: Thanks Julie, thanks Eric.
Kierkiweicz: We have some questions here.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Thank you Chair. Quick questions for you, for anyone.
Does this apply to commercial leases, businesses?
Mitchell: No, this is a residential program, Act 57, specifically is for residential
eviction cases for non-payment of rent so it does not apply to other types of
evictions that landlords are trying to effect right now, however, we actually
have a few or more, we are getting a lot of inquiries about anything related to
landlord/tenant issues right now and we're trying to answer and steer people in
the correct direction. If people did want to do mediation around commercial
leases, we would be happy to provide those services it just wouldn't be through
this program.
Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Ok, thank you. That's going to start to happen more and
more, lot of the funding that came to businesses has been used or wasn't
predictive of a Delta variant causing multiple closures, so it would be good if
you can help at all in that aspect and then I wanted to ask, what happens if a
landlord does not email the notice within 15 days?
Mitchell: There's a lot of things that will be left to the court to decide so we
have heard sometimes from tenants that they received something and then
we'll ask for their landlords contact information and try to reach out to them but
sometimes it's a different kind of notice cause there's 45 -day notices, so we'll try
to get as clear as possible on what the situation is and then still offer mediation
services no matter what, if it's a 15 -day notice to Act 57 or if it's any other kind of
landlord/tenant issue, we're still going to try to help them.
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Kanealii-Kleinfelder: Ok, ok, so you're not quite sure what happens if that
landlord does not email or sent that notice within 15 days?
Mitchell: I mean, again ,we're not an enforcement agency so there will be a lot
of decisions that will come to the court if landlords did not follow the
methodology set out in Act 57 that will be up for the district court judges to
decide and it's written into Act 57 that they can refer parties to mediation from
court as well so we anticipate that happening as well.
Kaneali-Kleinfelder: Ok, thank you. That was all my questions, that was a
wonderful presentation.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you. Any questions from our friends in Kona or Waimea?
Hearing none. Julie, Eric, mahalo nui for all of your hard work in this space, I
know that you folks have been at this for some time now having stood up the
rapid response landlord tenant mediation program and I know that has been
really successful and has had a lot of impact in community because it's been
an option and now the State has seen wisdom in that program and it's been
mandated here, just wondering if you could take a couple minutes to kind of
talk us through the impacts that that initial program has had just curious about
your successes and any lessons learned that are being applied here.
Mitchell: Eric, do you want to take that one?
Paul: I think we both can. The first thing that comes to my mind for a big
success is, it hasn't necessarily seen, for me the successes are not just in the
agreements that came about which we did, our cases on landlord/tenant has
doubled over the last year and we've seen agreements come out of that that
have kept people housed but really we've fielded a lot of phone calls where
we've been able to give people kind of direction of where they can get rental
assistance, I think a lot of our marketing efforts as well has kind of driven the
success that Hawaii County has seen in getting rental assistance out to folks
and the mediation centers here I believe have really played a key role in that
work as well. I'll let Julie speak from her perspective.
Mitchell: Yeah, I think again, when we look at success and mediation, yeah
there's how many agreements we get and then there's a lot of other things that
happens so I think a lot times for both the landlords and the tenants have
someone to call and talk too, so we had some landlords calling us like literally
every month, going, when is the eviction moratorium ending and we would just
keep telling them the new date because they just couldn't keep up with it, they
are small mom and pop landlords and also with helping people communicate
so after they've talked to our very friendly, kind and compassionate case
managers who give them resources and listen deeply to their situations, a lot of
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times, the case manager was able to go back and forth a couple times, the
landlord and tenant where then they didn't need our services, they were able
to talk directly to one another because the fear of saying or doing the wrong
thing was dissipated through what the case manger would pass back and forth
and again, even though we're aware of what all services are out there, the
public is still not aware, I mean, I can't tell you how many times we're hearing
that people still don't know that there's rental assistance available even though
it's in the newspaper every day, Jeff has done million presentations, people still
don't know about it so just being able to connect people with the resources
that will help them, help them talk it out, I think has been really crucial and both
the rapid response and landlord/tenant program and also will be the
landlord/tenant eviction mediation program will be a key for both.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you and I'm just curious if you have the data that would be
really great but you know whole intent of the mediation program when you guys
launched it was to really flatten that eviction curve so in the work that you've
done to date with that initial program, I mean, how many evictions have
resulted because we talk about all this work being done in the mediation space,
I mean, has it resulted in positive solutions or folks are just not able to move
forward and we've seen some evictions kind of result, people can't resolve the
situation?
Mitchell: Well because there was the State eviction moratorium was in effect
until August 6th, I think that put a stay on most, I mean, there was still evictions
allowed to go forward in specific limited cases like someone's trashing the place
or doing something illegal there but they were not allowed to evict just for non-
payment of rent so I think we would have to delve a little more into the filings
that are happening in court but you know, the judge, so our deputy chief judge
who's also district court judge, Kanani Laubach, she has been convening the
mediation centers, Legal Aid, rental assistance, HOPE Services, to try to talk
about how we can take a holistic approach to providing services to people as
they are coming in and then also we contract with the judiciary collectively to
provide mediation centers so we regularly get landlord/tenant cases so they are
continuing to utilize mediation I think to try to see what can be done here. The
worst thing is when the tenants, they don't show up at court so we've heard
from Legal Aid that about 50% of tenants do not show up for their court case so
they automatically get a default against them, it's automatically ruled in favor
of the tenant so I mean one thing you folks can do is encourage to everyone to
show up for their court case. There's a lot of legal services available right now,
Legal Aid is providing a lot of information for both landlords and tenants that
both mediation centers on this island have posted on our web pages for this
program, tenants right and responsibilities, landlords rights and responsibilities so
people understand what they should and should not be doing at this point.
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Kierkiewicz: Thank you guys so much for these details, we're going to have to
be wrapping up the presentation soon, we're kind of over committee but thank
you so much for hard work, you can count on all of us to help you get the word
out on this important program. Thank you. Sharon, we have a couple more
programs to get through, yeah?
Hirota: Yes. thanks Julie, thanks Eric. Yes, so we can always come back so I just
want to quickly go over the next two, the first is the Financial Empowerment
Centers, we've talked about this for a number of months and years and we're
finally getting ready for implementation so we, through several funding sources
including funding from the Cities for Financial Empowerment out of New York,
locally here Hawaii Community Foundation as well as the County, we are
getting ready to launch our programs, so on July 1 It we entered into a contract
with Hawaiian Community Assets and Hawaii First Federal Credit Union to be our
financial counselors and to stand up our Financial Empowerment Centers.
Basically, what it is, it's free one-on-one counseling services as a public service to
our residents, they work directly with a counseling, financial counselor to address
whatever their house holds needs are. I just want to move quickly along, so
using the concept developed by the CFE fund out of New York almost 11 years
ago, our funding, out of Mayor Bloomberg's foundation, it's taken off and we
are the first in our state to become an FEC partner. As you can see by the
diagram, number of components coming together in partnership, starting with
the local government and your support, so I appreciate your support in this
program, our counseling providers has indicated Hawaii First Federal Credit
Union as well as Hawaiian Community Assets. Our initial community partners
who have issued letters of support to our program and have agreed to refer
their clients to the FEC, they include two County departments so to Keith at the
Department of Water Supply and to Lisa Miura at the County Real Property Tax
for those that are struggling and need help in paying their obligations, instead of
taking them to the (inaudible) for moving into other derogatory situations, they
can refer them to a counselor who can connect them to potential resources
that are available to address all of their needs. So you can see our partners
there. Our funders, the Cities for Financial Empowerment Funds, Hawai `i
Community Foundation, and then moving along. And then our training
providers, so heads off to Advance, Hawaii Community College Chancellor, for
being committed to the program. What they did was take a curriculum that
was developed in the US mainland, specifically for more metropolitan cities and
infused our culture into the training and I will tell you that all of our counselors
who completed the advanced training and recently completed their
certification all passed so thank you to Advance, their contribution to this is they
did it at no cost to the program so we appreciate their partnership. So moving
along, just to kind of give you some conceptual idea of how this works, they will
walk into a center, get referred to a center and they'll do a financial health
assessment to address what their specific household needs are but what also
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unique about this is we'll start through a database, start tracking outcomes so
depending on upon the goals of the household, we'll be able to provide the
agencies that refer them into the FEC, exactly what kind of goals were
achieved and then make that public, not only to back the agency but to
everyone so like I said, to share as we get into it. Our goal is to have all of the
counselors in place and our database in place for a soft launch at the end of
this month and a full formal launch in early October. So again, the FEC,
although we're starting with just a handful of partners to get us started,
eventually we, this program will encompass many other organizations and
agencies that work one-on-one with individuals who may not have staff on
board that is certified to develop the financial or may not be comfortable in
doing the deliver of services. We want to really begin to build our partnerships in
the community. So like I said, for implementation, delivery of services in October
of this year, we're completing the financial counseling certification process and
doing some outreach, our office also brought on board Kelci Wandell, and who
is being charged with full program implementation and management of this
program moving forward, we have lots of work ahead of us. Any questions?
Kierkiewicz: Sharon, if it's okay with you, can I ask you any questions we might
have at Council tomorrow because I know that this particular Bill had been
rushed, I think you (inaudible) Committee or Council so we can reserve them
until that moment. Thank you.
Hirota: Yes, correct.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you.
Hirota: And then the last one cause I know, I want to be mindful of time,
homeownership assistance program. Program launched in March of this year,
we just finished our Request for Proposal which we will be posting today for 14
days, we're looking for a contractor to help us administer the program, initial
funding is 3.2 million, with $375,000 for program administration, it is funding
coming through the State, Department of Budget and Finance and I think it's on
the agenda for tomorrow too for approval so I appreciate your support. Hawaii
County and Kauai County were selected as doing the initial and the pilot
program and then reporting back to the State for full implementation once their
full plan is adopted. It's for individual homeowners experiencing financial
hardship dating back to January of 2020 provided they have not received
assistance, there's certain income levels and like I said, it's going to get posted
today and we're launching, we're targeting for a launch in early October.
Kierkiewicz: Thank you, Sharon, I think we'll also have a moment at Council to
kind of talk story, ask questions so I just want to mahalo you, Administrator Kunz
and your entire team for all of their incredible hard work in innovation on these
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programs, we really appreciate you and we look forward to helping you to
promote these very worthwhile supports for our community. There is a motion on
the floor to close file on this communication, all in favor please say aye, any
opposed. Motion carries with eight aye votes. May I have a motion to Adjourn
the Housing Agency Meeting. Thank you, motion by Ms. Lee Loy, second by Ms.
Kimball, all those in favor, any opposed. Motion carries with eight aye votes.
We are adjourned at 10:51 am. Thank you so much.
Meeting adjourned at 10:51 a.m.
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