HomeMy WebLinkAbout2010-05-07 TPD ENVISION
WINDWARD PLANNING COMMISSION
COUNTY OF HAWAI‘I
HEARING TRANSCRIPT
MAY 7, 2010
PLANNING DIRECTOR INITIATED RESOLUTION
A regularly advertised hearing on the
ADOPTING “ENVISION DOWNTOWN HILO 2025: A COMMUNITY-BASED VISION
AND LIVING ACTION PLAN – 5-YEAR ACTION PLAN UPDATE” AS A GUIDE FOR
THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN HILO
was called to order at 9:08 a.m. in the County of
Hawai‘i Councilroom, County Building, 25 Aupuni Street, Hilo, Hawai‘i, with Chairman Rell
Woodward presiding.
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Rell Woodward, Dean Au, Zendo Kern, and
Ishibashi.
STAFF PRESENT: Molly Lugo (Deputy Corporation Counsel), BJ Leithead Todd (Planning
Director), Norman Hayashi (Planning Program Manager), Daryn Arai (Planning Program
Manager), Jeff Darrow (Staff Planner) and Maija Cottle (Staff Planner).
And approximately 42 people from the public in attendance.
ABSENT AND EXCUSE: Takashi Domingo and Stephen Ono
INITIATOR: PLANNING DIRECTOR
a. EnVision Downtown Hilo 2025 5-year Action Plan Update.
b. Resolution Adopting “EnVision Downtown Hilo 2025: a Community-Based Vision
and Living Action Plan – 5-year Action Plan Update” as a Guide for the Future of
Downtown Hilo.
WOODWARD: Item No. 1. Initiator is Planning Director, Resolution Adopting “EnVision
Downtown Hilo 2025: a Community-Based Vision and Living Action Plan – 5-year Action Plan
Update as a Guide for the Future of Downtown Hilo. Staff.
GAGORIK: Good morning, Chairman Woodward and Planning Commissioners.
WOODWARD: Good morning.
GAGORIK: My name is Susan Gagorik. I am a long range planner with the County of Hawai‘i
Planning Department.
ALEXANDER: Good morning Chairman. My name is Kylie Alexandra and I am on contract
with the Planning Department as a community planning assistant for EnVision Downtown Hilo
2025. Thank you.
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GAGORIK: What I’d like to do today is basically to give you a short overview; and then Kylie
and I will both go up to the podium to do a short power point presentation; and then we’ll come
back here, and then we’ll able to answer any questions that you have today.
So if I may begin, back in 2004 in the basement of Haili Christian Church the Downtown Hilo
Improvement Association and the Planning Department invited a whole bunch of people to come
and talk story and to look at community visioning. We invited a planner from British Columbia,
Cherie Enns, and we did a workshop and allowed people to really start visioning and creating
ideas. And we asked three questions. We asked what was great about Downtown Hilo, what is
not so great, and what are your dreams? And what we heard that day and what we have heard in
the past and today is that Downtown Hilo is a gem, it’s a very special place. You know, there
are things that still need to be fixed, it has a lot of old buildings that need to be repaired, but it
has heart and soul. You know, it’s a very special place that people want to come to, and to share
and talk story, and to shop.
Five years ago I came before the Planning Commission with Alice Moon and we asked for your
favorable recommendation of the EnVision Downtown Hilo Plan. It passed by Council
resolution in November 2005 and now today we are back here before you five years later. So
what has happened in the last five years? We had begun to really start the implementation
process with the Vision Plan. And to be honest with you implementation is not an easy process.
It’s often that process that’s eliminated from most plans, and which is why a lot of plans sit on
the shelf. It involves really bringing people together to look at the vision and to look at strategic
steps that we all need to take to move forward.
So subsequent to the adoption of the plan you’ve seen, you know, four communities come before
you with Community Development Plans. All of them have also tried to do the communication
visioning process to begin to articulate what the community wants for the future. And that was a
really strong step the Planning Department took to really begin this broad-based community
planning process.
So what I’d like to do now is go to the podium, and we’ll do a brief presentation for you. Okay,
if you look at the power point, it’s a little awkward for a lot of you in the audience but at least the
Commissioners have the main view. You have before you the EnVision Downtown Hilo 2025
5-Year Action Plan Update. You also have a resolution that is before you asking you for your
favorable recommendation and to forward this request to the County Council.
So where is Downtown Hilo now? If you look at this map, you’ll see that it’s pretty much a
contained area. It’s bound by the Bayfront area, Ponahawai Street, Wailuku River and Kapiolani
Street. So it’s a small contained area that’s approximately 124 acres.
Okay, a little bit background again. Like I mentioned earlier the Plan was adopted in 2005. It
used an inclusive approach to planning, which meant that we did community outreach. We had
multiple workshops over that period of a year and a half. There were 571 workshop participants,
a lot of community questionnaires and polling, including approximately 725 questionnaires that
were actually from inserts in the Hawaii Tribune. It contained a 20-year overarching vision and
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a 5-year action plan. And when the plan was actually created it was the first plan that had been
developed in almost 30 years. A lot of our community plans have occurred over the past, but a
lot of them also sat on the shelf. There are many lessons learned about how do you move
forward with an action plan. And as time passes, of course, there’s new information. And
conditions change in the community so it’s an evolving plan.
The Five-Year Action Plan Update - if I may briefly just describe the three parts. There’s Part 1
which is a timeline and overview of the Action Plan; two is the actual Action Plan Update; and
three is a reflection section about VisionKeepers and an outline for the next steps.
So what’s new in the Action Plan that we have? There are new columns. One of the key
portions to the Action Plan is that it does identify lead solution partners. We have sustainability
measures, we describe the actions as types, and we have project start and status. There are also
colored icons to differentiate between the focus area and a new column to differentiate when an
action has started and whether it has been completed. There is also a link to second pages that
when this plan is put on line you’ll be able to see updates.
So this is a visual rendering of the plan itself. It has a focus area topic, it has strategies, and has
individual actions and columns to differentiate status. So the content and the changes that are
before you basically have been including some grammatical corrections. Over the last five years
we’ve worked with lead solution partners, and we’ve had their input, and we’ve incorporated a
lot of their suggestions. There are also new strategies because with time, you know, things
change. A lot of new ideas that weren’t thought of back then have now been included in the
plan; and there are also new actions. And community involvement was a major component of
the constant changes, a lot of the ideas and revisions were presented at each stage during the
process. Criteria for inclusion is we always met with community groups, such as lead solution
partners; and they have been identified in the plan as people who will carry forth the plan. So as
you can see community involvement formed the foundation for the changes and additions.
ALEXANDER: I’m going to speak briefly now about that community involvement process.
The VisionKeepers formed in January 2006 as a volunteer implementation committee. Their
mission is to energize, guide, inspire and strengthen partnerships within the community to
implement the plan. Over a five-year period they held 47 meetings and contributed to EDH 2025
in a variety of important ways. In partnership with the County of Hawai‘i Planning Department,
the VisionKeepers produced two progress reports which provide updates on the implementation
process. They produced an implementation guide which says there are advice and lessons
learned from other committees that are overseeing implementation of a community plan. They
co-hosted two town meetings and they participated in a number of public events, as well as they
gave presentations to community groups to promote implementation of the plan. And they also
helped to coordinate the sustainable design assessment team program, which was a program
awarded to Downtown Hilo by the American Institute of Architects in 2009.
At present in recognition of the current economic challenges, the VisionKeepers are evolving
from a committee model to a network model. We are in the process of reconnecting with past
members to establish a VisionKeeper’s network, which will no longer meet monthly but rather
will communicate primarily by email as needed.
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Lead Solution Partners take the lead for implementing action in the plan. We now have 41
committed lead solution partners, which are a combination of County agencies and community
organizations.
Over the past four or five years we have held nine meetings with our lead solution partners.
These meetings are typically focused toward a particular purpose, such as planning of the town
meetings. And they also afforded lead solution partners the rare opportunity to network with
each other, and they encouraged the sharing of information and resources. Four separate action
plan review workshops were held to finalize the Action Plan Update with our lead solution
partners. But these meetings also included potential partners, as well as students from a variety
of schools in the Hilo area. And we also worked in partnership with the Hilo Downtown
Improvement Association to implement “Easy Wins”. And “Easy Wins” are small visible
projects that are relatively inexpensive and involve the community. And some examples of
“Easy Wins” include the installation of hanging baskets on the decorative land posts, the
installation of interpretative signage at Kalakaua Park and at the Naha Stone at the Hilo Public
Library, and the revitalization of Liholiho Park. So these are just a few images from the two
town meetings that were held in 2007 and 2008. Town meetings are particularly important for
on-going community engagement during the implementation process. And we used a variety of
outreach methods for the town meeting, including mailings, email networks, posters around
Downtown Hilo and radio announcements and interviews. And between the two town meetings
almost 500 participants from the community attended.
And these are images from the Sustainable Design Assessment Team Program. The purpose of
this program was to look at implementation for the EDH 2025 Plan from the perspective of the
environmental, economic and social wellbeing of downtown, It was coordinated by the
American Institute of Architects, the Planning Department and the VisionKeepers; and it
included two public meetings and two working group session for our implementation partners.
And these photos were taken during those events. So one of the strengths of the implementation
process is that new groups and individuals continue to become involved.
And I’d like to briefly introduce the vision concepts. The vision concept is a series of five
drawings that bring Downtown Hilo to life through enhancements, or through potential
enhancements, to existing civic and open spaces. It adds to the written action in the EDH 2025
Plan by providing that visual representation. And these were developed by a local artist, Charles
Snyder, based on input that was gathered at the first action plan review workshop.
So this is one of the vision concept drawings showing Bayfront and Wailuku River, and we have
Kalakaua Park, the intersection of Ponahawai Street and Kilauea Avenue, and the Hilo Farmers
Market on Market Day, and Mamo Street and Kilauea Avenue. And so, again, these illustrations
just show how Downtown Hilo could look in 2025 with the implementation of some of the
actions in the Plan. It’s not set in stone. It’s like, I say, merely a visual representation of the
plan, bringing it to life so that people can see these drawings and have a common sort of visual
conception of how the plan could look or how downtown could look in 2025.
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GAGORIK: Okay, so as we tried to explain in our presentation, you know, this has been a
collective process. Community visioning and action planning is an on-going process. The Plan
itself is a plan. It’s about 1200 pages, but it’s not everything.What really happens oftentimes,
as what happens in meetings, is the real action takes place outside of the plan itself. When
people get together they collaborate, they partnership, and they work together to move forward.
So you have received from us, the Planning Director, a copy of the resolution. You have a copy
of the Action Plan Update. There are some non-substantive minor amendments, including the
vision concept to the plan. And we ask for your favorable recommendation to forward the
Resolution and the plan to the County Council. Are there any questions?
WOODWARD: Yes, I had one, Ms. Gagorik. When this was initially presented two months
ago, there were two parts. One was the resolution. And then the other was amendments to
Chapter 25, which is really the nuts and bolts; and I guess nuts and bolts has been deferred to a
later meeting. And so we’re asked to send a recommendation regarding the concept, but the
actual amendments to Chapter 25 will be dealt with in the future?
GAGORIK: Right.
WOODWARD: Okay.
GAGORIK: What happens normally is when you do a community vision and action plan it
begins to compile and bring the collective voices together, it identifies the actions that people
want to work on. But the real action planning, like I mentioned earlier, often occurs separately.
And one of the key components of any action plan is that you really move forward to making
regulatory changes. But we understand that regulatory changes should really be a separate
action. And today we’d like you to review the action plan as itself, you know. And the actions
for ordinance changes or any other regulatory changes are a separate action.
WOODWARD: All right, any questions from -? Commissioner Kern.
KERN: More of a comment. I was, had the opportunity to be part of the steering committee
when it originally formed for this Action Plan, and I got to see how challenging it was. And I
just wanted to say to Susan that you did a really laudable job. It’s awesome. I commend you for
what you’ve done, because working with that many folks and that many ideas is very, very
challenging; and to keep going for so many years, very commendable. So I think it’s great, and
good job. Thanks. And, also, the drawings, I think those are great. I think they give a nice
illustration; and hopefully Downtown Hilo will look that beautiful one day-.
GAGORIK: Yeah, and, again, they’re conceptual. But they’re meant to stimulate people so that
when you see an action in picture form you’ll hopefully want to start working on it so that you
can see it help come to reality.
WOODWARD: All right, thank you. Any other questions? Okay, seeing none, thank you,
ladies. We do have seven people signed up from the public to testify on this matter. And we’ll
call forward the first four. We have four seats and four microphones. So if you’ll come up as
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your name is called, have a seat and we’ll swear you in. First is Tommy Goya. Next is, I’m
having a hard time reading this, first name is Coran.
MANAZO: Coran Manazo.
WOODWARD: Manazo. Okay, thank you.
MANAZO: You’re welcome.
WOODWARD: Alice Moon and Caleb Yamanaki (sic). All right, good morning. Welcome. If
I can get you to raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth today before the
Windward Planning Commission
TESTIFIERS: I do.
WOODWARD: Very good. And we’ll start with Mr. Goya. If you’ll speak into the
microphone, give us your name and address, and then you’re free to begin your testimony. And,
please, again, three minutes.
GOYA: Aloha Chairman Woodward and Members of the County of Hawai‘i Windward
Planning Commission. My name is Tommy Goya. My home address is 1665 Akolea Place here
in Hilo, Hawai‘i. As a VisionKeeper I am proud to be a part of this community-based planning
process. I thank the many individuals and organizations that have given their input over the
years to help us identify what they feel are needed to retain this very special place for many
generations to come. Through this process we have established a trust among the wide range of
participants that is essential to keeping the vision alive. It should also be noted that a number of
County decision-makers actively participated in this collaborative building process.
My testimony today is directed to the previous testimony offered to the Commission at its
March 5, 2010 meeting by Mrs. Charlene Masuhara, Hilo High School Key Club Advisor, and
Ms. Megan Kurohara, Hilo High School Key Club member and EnVision NOW Chairperson.
During that meeting they passionately described their interests and participation in the planning
of the 5-year Action Plan Update.We are sorry that they are not able to join us today to further
describe how much they have learned in the process and how we have inspired them to take
action NOW.
Over the past twenty years I have worked closely with the Hilo High School Key Club as their
Kiwanis Club Advisor and had strongly recommended, excuse me, had strongly encouraged their
involvement in activities that will help them build a good foundation of community service. It is
through their participation in the EnVision Downtown Hilo 2025 planning process that EnVision
NOW evolved. Today, Megan Kurohara and others in the Club are spearheading work projects
and activities in Downtown Hilo. This year Envision NOW coordinated a number of Sunday
morning projects that included “refreshing” the planters, cleaning windows and walls, pulling
weeds and picking up trash, and “adopting” Liholiho Park. Other activities are forthcoming to
get more youth involvement in shaping their future.
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What we as VisionKeepers of EnVision Downtown Hilo 2025 learned from them is that their
participation in the planning process is meaningful. They appreciated that they were involved in
an inclusive process and that their voices were heard. They also demonstrated that they are
willing to take on action items and make a difference NOW. They too want a safe, clean and
family-friendly Downtown Hilo.
I ask you to please read the entire document. There was a lot of work involved in preparing and
summarizing a lot of the community input. We believe that it will serve as an excellent planning
guide for a sustainable Downtown Hilo, a vibrant setting that all stakeholders can be proud off.
And I thank you for this time.
WOODWARD: All right, thank you. Any questions for Mr. Goya? Okay, seeing one,
Ms. Munazo (sic). And if you’ve already submitted written testimony, we do have that, so if you
could just summarize the written testimony we’d appreciate it. It will help move things along. If
you’ll give us your name and address, and you may begin.
MUNAFO: Sure, thank you. My name is Koran Munafo.
WOODWARD: I still messed up your name.
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MUNAFO: That’s all right. It happens all my life. I live at 15-1477 39 Avenue, Orchidland.
And I am the Director of a newly formed grass roots non-profit organization, Hawai‘i
Community Collective; and our goal is to connect people and community resources for wellness.
I have a long-standing love of downtown. I’ve loved downtown since I’ve lived here for ten
years; and I‘m committed to helping and doing what I can to make it a better place for
everybody. Our organization is a committed lead solution partner to three sections, three actions
in focused areas, strengthening, sustaining our community. We are establishing a visible
community volunteer service program; we are helping to establish a youth committee, and we
hosted and organized a community celebration of family day.
My familiarity with the EDH 2025 Plan is actually borne from my involvement pretty much
from the inception, first through the Hilo Downtown Improvement Association. I attended all
EDH town meeting events. I attended the SDAT Program and all LSP gatherings. And I have a
first-hand knowledge on the amount of efforts that the EDH team put into the involvement of
community stakeholders. They did a tremendous amount of work and it was very inspirational
what they did to involve diversed groups in the community to get their input. They also were a
very crucial element in the grass roots formation of our organization and in the guidance and
support of our formation of our community volunteer service program. And I’m extremely
grateful for their guidance and input, and having that resource available to our organization to
put that together.
You know, there’s the saying that you plan for change or you get the change that comes
naturally; and I think that that’s absolutely true. Plans like this are really important for our
community because if we don’t have a guide to put everybody on the same page how can we
plan for the change that we want to happen? How can we get the outcome that we wish to see?
And how can we involve everybody’s input and wants, needs and communications in making
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this plan become a reality and making downtown a better place for everybody? So I think that’s
really crucial.
And, you know, another thing about the EDH Plan is that it’s crucial to taking steps to facilitate
and maintain the communications, wants and needs between government and the community. I
think that’s a major, major thing that we have a big disconnect between how do we communicate
what the people in the community want with what the government can actually implement? And
how do we communicate, how do we facilitate those communications and facilitate those
understandings between this is what we want, this is what’s possible, this is what we can make
happen together?
So I’d just like to give my support to them and give my propsto the people in the EDH team
because they really do work hard for this. And thank you very much.
WOODWARD: Thank you. Any questions for Ms. Munafo? Okay. All right, Alice Moon, if
you’ll give us your name and address and then you may be begin.
MOON: My name is Alice Moon, and I am representing the Hilo Downtown Improvement
Association whose address is 329 Kamehameha Avenue. And we have provided a written
testimony that I believe you have a copy of. So in recap of that, I just would like to say a big
thank you to, again, Susan Gagorik and the EnVision Downtown Hilo 2025 team, all of the
people who have been involved over the years. And the DIA is here to support the Update of the
Living Action Plan. We concur with the overarching vision and appreciate the County and the
VisionKeeper’s efforts.
Over the last five years the DIA has been working to implement several key actions; and the plan
has helped to lead various County agencies to step up their efforts to improve conditions in
Downtown, much as Koran has indicated.
The Plan has helped to promote a more collective effort and has broadened the basis for
community involvement in downtown. We look forward to continuing as a lead solution partner.
The DIA will support all efforts, public or private, that lead to the reinvestment and revitalization
of historic Downtown Hilo, and to the promotion of its role as a center for community and
commercial activity. The DIA has been involved in that effort for over 50 years. We’d like to
thank you for providing the opportunity to comment on this worthwhile effort and we look
forward to continuing to create the community’s vision for our historic town.
I would like to add that having been involved in this from the very beginning it’s hard to believe
that only five years ago we came to present the original plan to you, and here we are again with
an update. It’s also the anniversary, upcoming anniversary, of the 50-year anniversary of the
tsunami that devastated our town. It was one of the things that prompted the organization of the
Downtown Improvement Association.
Rhetorically speaking, I’d like to ask how many plans have there been since then and how many
opportunities have there been for those of us in the community to provide input like this? I don’t
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think there have been any. This is a real groundbreaking plan. And we’ve heard comments, and
this is from a personal as well as professional aspect, we’ve heard comments that the community
needs to step up to help downtown, that the businesses need to step up to help downtown. We’ve
heard this from various sources. And I’d like to say that this is the opportunity; and the
community is stepping up, as witnessed by the people that are testifying here in favor of this.
EDH 2025 is this wonderful opportunity for those of us who have zero to little financial capacity
to support these efforts. But we got plenty social capacity, cultural capacity and volunteer
capacity. And we’re all looking at this as, wow, how wonderful for us to be able to be involved
in this process, usually determined by developers and landowners and property owners. A
community usually does not have a say in these types of projects and plans. So this is real key to
continuing our efforts.
I’d like to conclude by, again, thanking the Planning Department, particularly Susan Gagorik and
Kylie Alexander, for continuing this effort. And I hope that the rest of the community
understands how important it is for those of us who cannot financially contribute to the resources
of downtown. We have a lot more to offer. It stimulates community involvement in such a
positive way. I really encourage you to accept and approve this update. Mahalo.
WOODWARD: Thank you. Do we have any questions for Ms. Moon? Okay, seeing none.
Mr. Yamanaka.
YAMANAKA: Hi, Caleb Yamanaka, Yamanaka Enterprises. I represent some landowners in
Downtown Hilo, including my family. You know, this is a, it’s a nice plan. It’s a very, very
flawed plan. I’ve been on both sides. I’ve sat on the VisionKeepers and I participated in this
process. And well, I got three minutes, I could go on all day.
The first thing is the landowners. Whether or not people like landowners or not, they have a
vested interest in Downtown Hilo and seeing Downtown Hilo succeed. But in this process the
landowners have been excluded.
Two, I think the detriment of the plan, because it doesn’t address any sort of economic factors.
All it is flowers, very pretty and very nice, but it does not address any sort of economic viability
of what the plan is asking. And that is something that the landowners and developers can help
with. They can help assess the economic viability for Downtown Hilo to produce some of the
products that are being asked for.
One of the items that are of concern to me in the managing growth section of this plan, it’s on
page 28. It says we will align existing regulatory codes with the 2025 vision. They mention the
vision is a collection of wants from the public. That’s great, that’s what a vision does. It collects
wants, it tells you what we want. But it does not address with any consideration the impact,
good or bad, of these wants on the implementation of the code and how it affects Downtown
Hilo’s development. I think not asking the question of economic viability is a big failure in the
process; and this plan does not address that. They talked about implementation, that they’re
implementing the plan already. There’s no strategic implementation plan. How can any sort of
large-scale development -? We’re talking about over 100 acres in Downtown Hilo, with lots of
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owners, lots of different personalities, lots of different lot sizes. How can you get about
implementing a strategy with no strategic implementation plan? It’s very piecemeal at this point.
There’s a thing here from the Brookings Institute and I didn’t make any copies for everybody.
But, you know, there’s 12 steps to revitalizing downtown areas. The first step is a plan. The
second step is strategic implementation, developing a strategic implementation of that plan and
figuring out the viability. The third part, and I won’t go all to step 12, is the formation of private
and public partnerships with an emphasis that it has to be private and public, not the other way
around. Public should not be driving what goes on downtown. It needs to be a private-public
partnership. And this is something that I think is where this, we’ve got the vision, it’s great.
But, you know, the next steps, and we’re skipping steps, is what I guess my point is here. I’ll go
on.
Here’s a specific issue that I have with the plan -- Strategy 2.2, protect significant view corridors,
including views. The original plan said that the VisionKeepers would set up a committee to first
establish a digitized photo inventory of existing historic viewplanes. Second would be to protect
and restore significant view corridors. And third, third was to - well, no, no, I’m sorry, I’m
getting off the track – was to form a committee to kind of look at the existing building heights
and view corridors. Well, that has been changed. Now they’re just saying we’re going to amend
the building heights with no, no action taken on their own plan. You know, a smart way to do
things – let’s look at view corridors, let’s form a committee, let’s identify view corridors, let’s
document them and let’s see how we’re going to, you know, either protect them or not protect
them. Instead of doing that, which is part of their own plan, the VisionKeepers, what they’re
putting forth right here is let’s just amend the existing Building Code, building height limitations.
We’ve seen it with the Ordinance that was mentioned earlier that has gone through. It’s just a
heavy-hand approach and not even following their own, their own plan that they laid out. So
five years from now we’re going to come here, and they’re not going to follow a lot of these
plans and just going to say, well, this is what’s going to happen. I don’t know where this comes
from, if there’s any discussion. I was a VisionKeeper. These kinds of questions have never been
discussed in a VisionKeeper meeting that I’ve attended. I don’t know that there has ever been a
vote on it. I think it’s something that comes, I’d only guess where it comes from. But I know
that it doesn’t come from a vote based upon pure discussion at the VisionKeeper level, not in my
experience. I mean, someone could give me some minutes or notes and show that I’m wrong,
but I really doubt that that would happen.
Okay, I kind of ran through everything I had to say. Well, as I mentioned, we have a plan here.
It’s a nice plan. But I think that some of the actions that are being put forth need to be really
looked at, because we’re talking about implementation. And it’s already coming across, design
guidelines which will not come before you, it’s going straight to the County Council, it’s already
in the process, along with the Ordinance that will be coming up in front of you in two months.
These are implementation procedures with no strategic implementation plan. I would ask that
you not pass this update and require that the VisionKeepers produce a strategic implementation
plan on how they’re going to accomplish these things and what are the economic viabilities of
what they’re proposing? Thank you.
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WOODWARD: All right, thank you. Do we have any questions for Mr. Yamanaka? Okay,
seeing none, you folks may be seated. We have, it has grown to eight now. So we have four
more people signed up to testify. If we could have them come up and have a seat; and we’ll
swear them in. Monika Mallick, Aaron Lee, Jeff Melrose, and Keith Dela Cruz. Okay, good
morning. If I could get you to raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth
today before the Windward Planning Commission?
TESTIFIERS: I do.
WOODWARD: Very good. We’ll begin with Ms. Mallick. And if you’ll give us your name
and address and then you may begin your testimony.
MALLICK: Good morning, my name is Monica Mallick. I am at PO Box 47, Papaikou, 96781.
I am here to represent myself and a growing list of landowners. To date we have about 25
people who will be coming forward to testify in front of the Council and in front of you all at a
later date. They just couldn’t be here today.
I believe this whole process is really flawed because it did not include the landowners who are
the real stakeholders downtown. Although I think it’s lovely to spend the taxpayer’s hard earned
dollars and go out to elementary schools and ask children what they would like to see in
Downtown Hilo, it’s very important that we keep in mind – we have to go forward, change is
inevitable, we also have to keep in account what construction jobs would be lost, what this would
do to the increased tax rolls, as well as the lack of real safety downtown at night. And the few
meetings that I attended with the Downtown Improvement Association, one thing that we were
all in agreement with is that housing would be a good thing downtown. Right now we only have
low income housing; and that leads to a lot of the trouble that we see on the street. People are
getting rolled for their wallets coming out of the Emerald Orchid. There’s sexual activity going
on in parking lots. These types of things can be easily remedied and have been remedied in
properly revitalized downtown areas throughout the country. What we would like to see is a
healthy balance with, you know, a low-, a medium-, and a high-end housing situation which will
only go forward when we increase the density. This is the only place in East Hawai‘i where we
have high density urban.
Now there’s a lot of movement to keep Ag Ag. And I’m here to tell you there’s going to be a big
movement to keep Urban Urban, because, really, it’s the only place that we can increase density
under the current zoning. I don’t know about these community meetings and, you know, all
those happy dappy feel good stuff, cause I wasn’t invited; and I own 1.6 acres of old Hilo Hotel
downtown. And I have other people like Fred Koehnen, Nancy Cabral, the Takase’s, who were
also not invited. So unfortunately it looks like by design certain landowners were excluded; and
those would be the ones that are like me that are going to say I will not allow my private property
rights to be taken from me just because you went out and did a, you know, gave some food away
to a bunch of elementary kids. Okay?
To take the height reduction from 120 feet to 60 feet really I find it criminal. I mean where do
you go and want to expand the urban core so that an outside developer will come in and say, oh,
yeah, Hilo great, these guys will take your height away? And then what’s next? What’s going to
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be taken next? So I’m here to say that I oppose this; and I think we need to include all of the
landowners as stakeholders in this and not just people who, you know, are not landowners and
stakeholders. Okay, thank you.
WOODWARD: All right, thank you. Do we have any questions for Ms. Mallick?
Commissioner Ishibashi?
ISHIBASHI: Thank you, Brother Chair. In regards to the notification of the landowner, the
landowner is an important facet of that whole plan in downtown. So you’re telling me you were
never notified of any meetings or invited to any meetings at -?
MALLICK: I was invited to a meeting a couple of months ago, but this has been going on for 5
years, and -.
ISHIBASHI: So prior to -?
MALLICK: Correct. And I have 25 other significant landowners who would say the same
thing, that they were not notified. So I have written a letter to Kylie Alexander asking her to
provide me with -. They keep saying that we have buy-in from landowners. And I’ve asked the
question, could you please tell me who those landowners are; and I’m still awaiting a response.
Because we are the people with skin in the game.
ISHIBASHI: Okay. So I don’t know if staff can answer that, if we had any invitations or
notices, cause I thought at the last meeting we did have some communication to the landowners.
WOODWARD: Well, we’ll offer that, the opportunity to respond at the end of the testimony to
the representatives.
MALLICK: Yes. And the other thing is, I mean, the other question I’ve asked, I sent an email
requesting several things. One is I’d like to know how much of our taxpayer’s dollars were spent
on something in downtown, excluding the real stakeholders. Yes, of course, the community’s
wants and desires are important. Do you think we invested in downtown cause we don’t care
about downtown? We are the ones that have put our money in the game here; and we have been
excluded. And, you know, we are not going to stand by not having our questions answered. We
want to know which landowners, and we want to know who with any knowledge of revitalizing a
small downtown area like Hilo has participated in these happy meetings where everyone is like,
oh, yeah, let’s just take their property rights away.
WOODWARD: With regard to your question about cost, the cost of the plan itself, is that what
you’re asking?
MALLICK: Yes. I would like to know how many people were employed, for how long, and
how much of our taxpayer’s dollars have been spent on this study which very clearly states that it
is to manage growth. Other cities, I’ve done a lot of research on other towns that have gone into
the revitalization process, and one of the main things in their mission statement is to do
everything to not impair value of the properties in the downtown area. Whereas, if you look at
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this thing they put together, there’s nothing in here. Just like Caleb Yamanaka just testified,
there’s nothing to be said to protect the economics of the situation. It’s all anti-growth.
WOODWARD: Okay.
MALLICK: Thank you.
WOODWARD: Well, thank you. We will allow time for a response to those specific questions.
And, let’s see, next Aaron Lee.
LEE: Good morning, Commissioners.
WOODWARD: Morning.
LEE: My name is Aaron Lee. I’m here mainly as a concerned citizen, although -.
WOODWARD: If you could give us your address, please, sir.
LEE: Oh, 1355 Kaneki Place here in Hilo. I’m here mainly as a concerned citizen, although I do
work with a couple of landowners fairly closely. I guess my main concern with this process is
that really regardless of what you’ve heard this morning -.
DARROW: Can you hold the mike closer?
LEE: Oh, that work for you?
DARROW: Yes.
LEE: Okay. The community really has not been involved, or at least not a good cross-section of
the community that utilizes Downtown Hilo. Let’s see, I took a quick look at the survey on-line
for which there were, you know, maybe 140 participants. This was done at the Palace I guess in
September of 2008. So about three years into the process they took a survey. I’ve spoken to
people who were there on-line. Twenty percent of the respondents were 18 or younger, some
in -. You know, I personally don’t feel comfortable with that large of the sampling being
children, really. I was looking at the way that people found out about the survey, only 28 out of
140 or so participants found out about it through traditional media – newspapers, radio. That,
you know, makes me question how this was advertised, whether it was really put out to there get
all of Hilo involved or maybe they just put up some posters around downtown, maybe have a
mailing list they sent to. I’m really not sure. I’ve also requested all of the information regarding
EDH 2025 VisionKeepers sign-in sheets. I’d like know how many distinct individuals were
involved. Cause I see there were 571 workshop participants. I don’t know if those are 571
individuals or if they just totaled up all the names on the sign-in sheet. I’ve asked for agendas,
all that stuff. I’m just looking at the number of respondents. If you add the 725 from the
questionnaire that was responded to to the 571 workshop participants, not counting any sort of
cross-over there, you know, that’s almost 1300 people, that’s probably about 3 percent of a metro
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area of Hilo. I think that’s just too small a sampling and not really representative of the
demographics of downtown and who uses the services.
Also, personally, I, you know, I think this is, I think it’s a good idea as far as like real
community, community organizing or really helping to do nonprofit work, just volunteer work. I
think that’s a great idea. But I think as far as making any part of, you know, any real part of the
construction of the development process as far as the guidelines, which I have a copy of here,
there are 55 pages of guidelines thought up by basically the same people. There are notes in here
where they don’t even know what it means. I mean I’ve got, well, I’ll make all my information
available to you over the next week or so. Hopefully I’ll get the stuff I’ve requested from
Planning and then you can get a real good idea of what has gone on here.
So, I guess, my main issue with this as a private citizens, it’s just that people weren’t involved as
it has been portrayed they were. I have an email that says one of the testifiers earlier was
contracted by EDH to keep some of the records. So I think that should have been disclosed upon
testimony. You know, I think it should at least be put off until everybody can get a clear idea of
who was involved and, you know, what questions were raised, what was discussed at meetings,
so we can really get a clear concrete idea of everything. And that’s what I ask you to do. Thank
you.
WOODWARD: Thank you, Mr. Lee. Do we have any questions for Mr. Lee? So your question
for them was sampling biased, that is whether there was, the sample was effected so that the
outcome was determined?
LEE: Yeah. And I think, really, I think this was, I think the survey was used as a way to justify
whatever they had come up with for the two or three years before the survey was taken. I was
born and raised here. I moved to California for three years. I came back about mid-2005, at
which time I went down to Planning to see what was happening downtown. I was told about
EDH 2025 and there was a whole table of solution partners and all this.And I was a realtor at
the time, and I remember the HIBR (Hawaii Island Board of Realtors) was one of the lead
solution partners. So I asked them about it, and they weren’t really involved. I mean someone
probably asked them if they wanted to be involved, they said yes, and then they were put on as a
lead solution partner. But there was no real interaction or involvement there. I’ve spoken to
several realtors about this since then and they have issues with it.
And, also, just looking at the VisionKeepers, I was looking at the website yesterday, and I think
half of them are employed by the County. And I think, you know, I think for a community
board, or group, or whatever this is, it’s definitely some sort of Advisory Council. I think for
half the members to be employees of the County is, could be questionable, especially because,
you know, you’re talking about Planning who, Susan is from Planning and, you know, these are
planning issues. I just, I think it really should have been more of a community thing. That’s
about it.
WOODWARD: All right, well, thank you. Any further questions for Mr. Lee? Okay, Jeff
Melrose -.
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MELROSE: Good morning, Commissioners.
WOODWARD: Good morning.
MELROSE: Good morning. Jeff Melrose, 1405 Waianuenue Avenue. I’m really here to talk as
an individual, as a professional planner. I do wear a couple of hats in this conversation. I do
chair Downtown Improvement’s Planning and Government Affairs Committee; and I have sat
for much of the last two years in the VisionKeepers as DIA’s representative, it’s probably three
years now. So I attend these meetings frequently. I don’t have a vote because they don’t give
DIA a vote, but we sit as a party that attends meetings frequently. So I’ve actually walked the
walk for some time in this conversation. And, you know, I hear the conversation about
notification, and the like. And, frankly, I don’t know if you could have lived in Hilo and been
awake and reading newspapers and seeing posters on the wall and seeing news in different places
that didn’t invite you to participate in this process. And I personally went to people in this
community and at this table to say, please, you need to get yourself involved in it. It took quite
some time to happen; and it doesn’t really happen. Truthfully, it’s frustrating for landowners and
for people who are working every day to come to meetings and listen to lots of people talk in
very generalities about the future, you know, because it’s really -. Let’s get down to the facts.
Facts are, what really makes plans happen is a detailed penetration into the conversations. And I
think that’s hard to get in large gatherings, it just is. But I do admire the process in that it did
gather a lot of public agencies and others, you know; and I think Susan and the VisionKeepers
kind of kept that, their feet to the fire to keep moving things along. So, all to the good.
If I look at the plan itself though, my reaction is I would call it planning light, that it, there are
44, 45 or 50 strategies and 149 actions. There’s no priorities. There’s no, you know, specific
boil-down pivot points, tipping points. And you would think after a period of this conversation
and then in a five-year update you’d actually get that, you’d get to a tipping point. You start to
say, well, these things will make the big difference. But, instead, they’ve added on additional -.
There’s a bell there for everybody; and the bells are wrong, you know. Each new piece, you
know, you’re going to hit all the bells. The good question is what are you really trying to
accomplish. So I think that’s the, that’s the shortness in the plan.
And I just. as the lay folks who are going to review plans, I think the challenge is where’s the
bar, you know, what are we looking for out of community-based planning? We’ve got five
different community plans now coming up in the wake, you know, around the development of
this one, each one different. You know, some of them being real constructive, really hitting good
points, others kind of dabbling around the edges. And I’m just hopeful that we as a County come
up with clarity about what good community-based plannings are.
This process has excelled at the process of engaging the broad community. It has yet to find its
feet as it’s related to engaging the community, the business and the landowner community, and
that’s what you’re seeing today. And they probably would not be here today if it didn’t also be
forced by timing to put the zoning ordinance on the table, which really drew people into this
issue because it was talking, now we’re talking about real rights. So I’m really glad they’re here,
I’m really glad the tension is in the room. My hope or my expectations in this process or my
hope for it is that we need to use this energy today to get the next good thing happening. There’s
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more development in downtown today than there has been in thirty years, there’s more
investment going on in downtown, there’s more paint going on walls. And it may not feel that
way sometimes, but it’s true. And I want to keep that momentum going. I don’t want to create a
schism between public and private. That’s of no value. We need to engage and harness the
passions that are coming from the land side, from the landowner’s side, to keep moving better in
downtown; and that’s what I think. And the plan to me is almost secondary to it. I really want to
see the process keep moving forward and using everybody’s best energy. And I don’t think
we’re far off on that process, I really don’t.
WOODWARD: Any questions for Mr. Melrose?
KERN: Yeah, I have a question.
WOODWARD: Commissioner Kern.
KERN: Mr. Melrose, I know you have a degree in planning and quite a bit of knowledge in that
area. In your opinion what would it take to get it? You said it’s almost there. What would it
take to get it right there?
MELROSE: Well, I guess what I’m, I’m making the distinction there, not to what it would take
to get the plan there. But, plans are only intended to instill actions, right? I’m more interested in
the actions. I’m much more committed to what we do than what we write down. And I think
there’s really good connective energy, you know, brought, community stuff. I really appreciate
Tom Goya and the process that those folks have been going through and with the kids. That’s
good stuff, you know, it really brings heart and soul to downtown. I don’t think anybody is
against that.
The plan is a different piece. I’d have a longer conversation. I’d really like to sit down and set
strategy, what are your five top items, you know, what are the five things that will make a
difference? That would be a good challenge; and I think it can be a challenge going forward. It
doesn’t have to be done now. But I, my statement is about what do you get, how do we keep the
action moving to get the right thing to happen and take advantage of the moment that is today?
The plan is almost less than the key issue to that, in my view.
WOODWARD: Mr. Melrose, that’s basically what I was kind of getting at when I asked the
question about we’re having the resolution now and the nuts and bolts later. Are you in support
of the plan as it exists now or -?
MELROSE: You know, I don’t know -. It’s a resolution right?
WOODWARD: Right.
MELROSE: It’s a statement of general direction. If it is used as the club to drive our zoning
ordinance that is not necessary or somehow starts to create the wedge, then, no, don’t use it that
way. If it’s a reflection of a sustained effort to have a communication about downtown and
capture, you know, some key essences,then that’s okay. I mean I think it does that and it
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becomes a vehicle for that. But if it is going to be let me go back to Plan 27 and say what’s this,
you know -. I don’t think that’s the way this plan operates, nor should it. So I think that’s up to
the Director and the staff as to how they use such a plan. But I don’t think that -. You know, I’d
like to say, you know, five years from now this plan or two years from now you could really be
focused on key issues and really know what those key things were. So you could direct the
County as to where it’s next dollar went or what next key thing could make the next difference.
And that, I don’t know that you can get it pouring through 149 actions without clear priorities in
them. So that prioritization I’ve said many times in the process, focus, focus, focus. But it has
had a hard time focusing because it keeps wanting to ring new bells. And that’s okay if you put
up with it with so much period of time. Maybe I have, maybe I’m brain dead already and the
landowners can’t do that; and I don’t blame them for not being able to, frankly.
WOODWARD: All right. Thank you, Mr. Melrose. Any other questions for Mr. Melrose?
Okay, Mr. De La Cruz, if you’ll give us your name and address; and then you may begin your
testimony. We have your written testimony so if you can just sort of paraphrase that and then
give us the meat of your argument, sir.
DE LA CRUZ: Keith De La Cruz, 91 Halaulani Place. I’m a parent and owner/manager of the
Hilo Farmers Market. We have been in business since 1988 starting with just four farmers.
Today we have over 200 small businesses who call the farmers market their home. We cater to
several thousand customers per week and occupy over 70,000 square feet of downtown real
estate. Our mission statement is: to provide a flexible, indoor and outdoor direct marketing
outlet for Big Island farmers, food producers, retailers, artisans and crafters; promote and
develop sustainable organic Big Island agriculture; and provide a safe, accessible, village based
market environment. In keeping with our mission, I was fortunate to be asked to join the
EnVision Downtown Hilo 2025 Steering Committee in 2004. Since then until now, it has been a
once in a life time learning experience to see firsthand how dreams of a community are
formulated, debated, engineered, and then reformulated and finally engineered into reality. I am
not an architect or an engineer, nor do I have any formal training in government affairs. I
consider myself a new dad and an everyday kama‘aina who has had the golden opportunity to
voice my opinions and give my 2 cents worth into this process. Along with others of our
community whose ages ranged from 9 to 92 and whose origins spanned the globe, we have all
been able to voice our visions.It is through this diversed group where we have been able to
piece together a quilt of ideas and notions of how we would like to see Hilo in 2025. It is this
public fabric of ideas and the commitment to our families and community to grow wisely
through public collaboration which propels the importance of the EDH 2025 plan. I support the
EnVision Downtown Hilo 2025 Plan and its 5-year Action Plan Update, and I ask the Planning
Commission the same for its support today.
I would like my son Koen who just turned 2 yesterday to be able to see and live these visions
realized by the time he graduates high school. I can only hope that most of these visions are
implemented, making his time in Hilo a much better place to live, work, and play. Thank you.
WOODWARD: Thank you. Any questions for Mr. De La Cruz? Okay, seeing none, you folks
may be seated. Thank you for your testimony. We do have one other person that has signed up
from the public to testify. We’ll have her speak; and then we’ll allow the applicant another
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opportunity. Eileen O’Hara? Okay, good morning. If I can get you to raise your right hand. Do
you swear or affirm to tell the truth on this matter now before the Windward Planning
Commission?
O’HARA: Yes, I do.
WOODWARD: Very good. If you’ll give us your name and address and then you may begin.
O’HARA: My name is Eileen O’Hara. My address is 15-2782 Papio, Pahoa.
WOODWARD: All right.
O’HARA: All right. I am speaking today on behalf of the VisionKeepers, having served on the
VisionKeepers from its inception. And I think Mr. Melrose asked a really good question – what
is this update trying to accomplish? And I think his own response was to instill action. Giving
some history, as you all know, this process started a couple of years before the plan was adopted
in 2005, with stakeholder meetings that were widely publicized and attended not only by public,
representatives of public agencies, but also by representatives of private agencies and members
of the community. And that two-year process evolved into the initial plan. And the reason for
the update is to keep it current, to keep it responsive to economic conditions, keep it responsive
to changes in the community. And so it was envisioned that there would be an update every five
years. This is simply the plan; and it should not be confused with other actions that the plan
might encourage or call forth, such as code changes, design guidelines for Downtown Hilo.
Those will move forward on a separate track and in different actions because they involve a
different response from the community. This is a community-based plan and it has involved a
large amount of stakeholders. It is not based, the update is not based on a single survey. It’s
,
based on five years of public meetings, activities such as the SDAT that we did with the
American Institute of Architects, and other actions that are all incorporated in this update. So it
reflects a lot of public input.
I had some questions about some of the comments made about invitations and funding. A lot of
the funding that the VisionKeepers depended upon to pull this action forward has been through
grant monies acquired through private foundations; and there wasn’t a lot of money for the entire
process. So on one hand I hear, you know, how are tax dollars being spent. On the other hand,
you know, there weren’t notices sent out, invites. All of this cost money, having staff cost
money. So I think that what the VisionKeepers have accomplished with the help of staff time
provided by the County Planning Department has been truly phenomenal. As I said I served on
the Committee from the inception. And when we first formed there were 15 VisionKeepers, 3 of
whom were landowners in Downtown Hilo. There might have been more, but this is to my
recollection. There were only 3 that were representatives of government agencies. So the rest
were representatives of businesses and non-profit organizations that operate in downtown. And
one of our lead solution partners, the lead solution partner, who has the most actions attributed in
the action plan is the Downtown Improvement Association. It is not a government agency. It
represents business owners downtown. We wish, we always hoped for more involvement from
landowners, and we did reach out and try and get that involvement. It takes a while for
something like this to catch on in the community. And maybe it takes 5 years for everyone to
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really know this is happening and to get involved. And I think it’s a great thing to leave on the
table. I think this plan is really good, should be moved forward, and that this process continues.
This is EnVision Downtown Hilo 2025. So we still have quite a few years left to bring about the
implementation and to continue to vision for the benefit of our community, both on its economic
level, its social level and its environmental level. So thank you very much.
WOODWARD: All right, thank you. Do we have any questions for Ms. O’Hara? Okay, we
have one last person. I guess it’s the last one other person signed up to testify, Kawehi Stevens.
Good morning, sir, if I can get you to raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm to tell the
truth today before the Windward Planning Commission?
STEVENS: Yes, I do.
WOODWARD: All right, very good. If you’ll give us your name and address, and then you may
begin.
STEVENS: My name is Kawehi Stevens. My address is 318 Kinoole Street, Suite 5, Hilo,
Hawai‘i. I represent Lindseys, LLC. We’re a family operation. We own some pretty significant
properties in Downtown Hilo.I addressed the Commission at the last meeting. Namely, we own
the Canario Building in Downtown Hilo, right below the Palace Theater. We own the Farmers
Exchange Building between L&L and Sack N Save. We formerly owned the Western Auto
Building until we sold it to McDonalds. We also own KVC in Kalapana, the former Verna’s
Drive-In; we own PVC in Pahoa. We own a residential dwelling on Barenaba Lane right across
from us; and we also own another residential dwelling in Kaimu. So it looks like we own about
$10,000,000 worth of real estate. And you would think that with that kind of a portfolio that the
EnVision people would see to it that we attend these meetings. And it looks like to me that we
were intentionally excluded from these meetings. We are here to improve Hilo. I was born and
raised in Hilo. I come from the largest family in the State of Hawai‘i between the Lindseys, the
Bells, the Lincolns, and the Purdys. We create jobs in Hilo, we create carpenter jobs, we create
plumbing jobs, we create electrical jobs. And you would think that they would include us in
their decision-making process. And we’ve never been included, never been included. And I
question why. The previous testifier claims that it takes money to advertise. It doesn’t take
money to run PSAS. You can run PSAS on the radio for three. That doesn’t take money. You
can do posters, posters are free.There’s a lot of ways to get the word out. How can you exclude
somebody that owns in excess of $10,000,000 worth of real estate? How could that be possible?
The process is flawed and they’re taking our property rights away. It’s as simple as that. And it
has gotten to the point that we’re so frustrated with the system; and that’s what prompted us to
sell the Western Auto Building. I testified once before, the purpose of purchasing that property
is that we wanted to put a condominium complex there. All we wanted was five or six floors,
that’s all we wanted. We were going to provide two floors of parking, much needed in
Downtown Hilo, one for a commercial space, three or four floors of condos, which is something
that’s really needed in Downtown Hilo. When I took that vision to the Planning Department,
oh, my God, you need a special permit for that. Why would I need a special permit for that?
The limit is 120 feet, why would I need a special permit? I don’t understand. I really don’t
understand. The process is flawed; and the whole, the manner in which they came about, what’s
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before you, is flawed. So I’m here to say that I think it should be tabled until we as landowners,
and we as stakeholders, until we have a chance to voice our opinions. That’s all I have to say.
WOODWARD: Thank you, Mr. Stevens. Do we have any questions? Commissioner Au?
AU: Yes, I do have a question. I see here Mr. Stevens that you are on the stakeholder
participant list for a meeting or a workshop on October 9, 2009. Can you just talk about your
involvement now from that time? And is that when you started getting involved in this process?
STEVENS: I was in and out of the process. But there were a lot of things, there were things that
went on at the meeting, the manner in which the meetings were run that I got frustrated with, so I
chose not to go. Things were put on the table. And what we were told at that point, we don’t
discuss that here, we don’t discuss that here. I would get invited to a meeting, I show up the
meeting, another person would say, oh, I’m surprised to see you here. Oh, well, I was invited.
Oh -. In other words one person invites you and the other person doesn’t know you’re there. So
it got to the point that I felt uncomfortable so I stopped going. So I stopped going.
WOODWARD: Any other questions? Okay, seeing none, thank you, sir. Now if we can give
Susan Gagorik a chance to respond to some of these. We had some questions raised. Obviously
I’m sure you’re aware about the invitations, participation by landowners, which one participated,
a question as to the cost of the plan and the sampling of the community, the reliability and
representation, how representative the sampling was. Those are essentially the questions, and the
question of whether VisionKeepers is, in fact have County employees. Those are all questions.
So shoot at whatever you want.
GAGORIK: Okay. I think before I answer some of the questions I’d like to basically mention
that there were several people that testified on multiple issues that I think are kind of confused.
The ordinance was also brought up today; and that is not on your agenda for discussion. There
were other processes that are going outside of this subject application, such as guidelines, that is
not part of your agenda today. And also, I think the OIP request that was mentioned, Office of
Information Practices, where an individual requests government records, that is a separate
process that is occurring with the Planning Department in terms of answering those specific
questions that were raised about the project itself.
In terms of community participation and stakeholder involvement, as I mentioned earlier, this
process started in 2004. It has been on-going till today, 2010; and there were multiple
opportunities for people to be involved. We did several mailouts to landowners; and the
landowner’s names are given to us from the Real Property Tax records, so they are the current
owners that we received names for. We did mailouts for those. Over the period of the last five,
six years, you know, again, there were multiple opportunities, different venues, different events.
We did outreach by flyers, we did outreach by email, we did mailouts. And, you know, what’s
interesting is that when you do come to these events, and we did several polls. A lot of the polls
that we took we asked people how did you hear about this? And a lot of them are word of
mouth. And that’s kind of like typical Hilo, you hear things from other people. But we did do a
lot of different ways of outreach. We did mailouts, we posted things on billboards, we even did
a survey where we inserted it into the Tribune Herald so that we could reach a wider variety of
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people. So in terms of reaching out, we did do multiple different venues. We involved the
landowners, we involved business owners and the general community. And I need to say that,
you know, you can invite people but it’s a choice when you choose to participate; and we cannot
force people to participate. And I’m glad that there are landowners out here today because now
they’re getting involved. And as Jeff Melrose earlier said, too, you know, everything evolves
and moves forward; and perhaps during implementation on certain actions we’ll have more
landowner involvement. But, again, looking at the plan itself, the plan is a moment in time. It
captures the process, it captures, you know, different actions.
But implementation, again, will move on its own. Each action will begin its own work. People
will gather, they will talk about what needs to move forward and they’ll work on that particular
action. It doesn’t occur in the plan itself.
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And then I’d like to also say because it is a process there really is no 11 hour that people can get
involved. It’s an on-going process, that people continue to become involve as they hear about it.
There are actions going on. There are a lot key agencies and there are organizations that are lead
partners that are moving forward things. They can always join in with that agency or with that
community organization and help to make downtown a better place. Was there any other
specific questions? I know there were questions about how much money, but that’s all the OIP
requests. That’s separate from this public hearing itself.
WOODWARD: The one other question, and I don’t know if you’re at liberty to answer this -.
But what was brought up is that half the employees of VisionKeepers, half the people in
VisionKeepers are employees of the County.
GAGORIK: The VisionKeepers consists of community individuals and organizations. And the
staff would be myself, Kylie, and we have a recorder, that’s Marlene; and those are the staff for
that project. We also had a representative from the Department of Research and Development,
Alex Frost. He was a strong component of the process for community participation.
WOODWARD: But the volunteers in VisionKeepers are not largely members of, or employed
by the County?
GAGORIK: No. And, again, remember that this group called the VisionKeepers is not a County
committee. They are a volunteer organization outside. So they’re not advisory to the County
and have no capacity in terms of making recommendations. And their primary role, again, is not
like the action committees. I don’t know if you’re familiar about the Community Development
Action Committees, they are County groups. The VisionKeepers are shepherds and their
primary role is to promote the plan, to create opportunities for people to be involved so that the
plan could reflect a more comprehensive and collective vision.
WOODWARD: Okay, thank you. And -.
ALEXANDER: Yes.
WOODWARD: Yes, Ma’am.
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ALEXANDER: Thank you. I’d just like to add briefly to Susan’s remarks. First of all with
regard to the VisionKeepers, in the action plan update in front of you in the acknowledgement
section it does list all the members of the VisionKeepers that have been involved. And over the
past five years there were a total of 25 community members that volunteered on the
VisionKeepers Committee, and then a total of four staff that Susan mentioned.
And I’d also like to talk about the community involvement process over the past few years. And
with regard to the first town meeting that was held in 2007, that was the first public meeting held
since the plan was adopted in 2005. And so we really recognized the importance of that event.
And for that town meeting, invitations were mailed out to landowners that were on record with
the Real Property Tax Office in Downtown Hilo. We also mailed invitation to our
implementation partners, as well as State and County officials. Invitations were hand-delivered
to businesses in downtown; and we also emailed the invitation to numerous community
members, hundreds of community members that are on the EDH email list, as well as the email
list for the DIA. And so we did take an extensive effort to reach out to broad sections of the
community to encourage their involvement at that first town meeting.
And then with the second town meeting in 2008 we looked back to the first and we realized that,
as Susan mentioned, involvement goes primarily through word of mouth. And in order to reduce
cost as well as paper we relied on that word of mouth and also on our email list. And so we
emailed flyers to all our community members, and we also worked with the DIA on that and our
implementation partners. And we also encouraged them to then through the network with their
email list to send a flyer out. And then as we had mentioned we had posted in downtown and
other locations, and we also went on the radio to promote the event. So the two town meetings
were two critical avenues for the wider community to get involved. And then as people become
involved and then they are on our email list, and then it’s easier to keep them updated as to future
events that are on-going. But realize that there is a time for everyone to get involved. And so
we’re encouraged that that process is continuing.
And then I’d just like to reinforce that there were two additional public meetings that were held
through the sustainable design assessment team program. And so there were other opportunities
there. And then when the action plan review workshops were held in the latter part in 2009 we
hired Alice Moon on contract with the Planning Department, and this is prior to her being hired
with the DIA. And she assisted us with outreach for those meetings, and I know she undertook
an enormous effort to get people to those meetings.
And then lastly in January of 2010 we held a number of open house events; and we had the
Action Plan as well as the EnVision Concept on display at places like the Farmers Market and
the Palace Theater, as well as outside the Planning Department Office here and the Hilo Public
Library. So I just wanted to mention some of those specifics so that you know that we did
undertake an enormous effort over these past few years to invite people in this process; and we
encourage everyone to get involved in this process. So, thank you.
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WOODWARD: All right, thank you. Do we have any questions for Ms. Gagorik or
Ms. Alexander? Okay, seeing none, thank you, ladies, you may be seated. Madam Director, do
you have anything to add?
LEITHEAD TODD: No, you folks have already received the communication from me that
we’re seeking withdrawal of the ordinance on the height reduction.
WOODWARD: Yes, okay. All right, well, the issue before us today is the resolution. Does
anybody care to make a motion?
KERN: I just want to clarify again, this is probably the fourth time of clarifying, that this is just
to update the plan, to say that we got this new information and we’re updating it, and this is the
information that we gathered? And this has nothing to do with changing of ordinances or zoning
and anything else? Is that tripled confirmed?
WOODWARD: It actually, my understanding, and I’ll ask Molly to correct me if I’m wrong -.
But we are sending a recommendation actually to Council. Council will then act on the
resolution. The resolution is not an ordinance. The resolution is a statement of principle -.
KERN: And that’s to update -?
WOODWARD: And guide.
KERN: Right. And that’s to update the plan, not make significant changes?
WOODWARD: Right. There were no substantive changes.
KERN: Right.
WOODWARD: Is that correct, Molly?
LUGO: My understanding is that the plan has been updated and you’re voting today to send
either a negative or favorable recommendation on the update that has been prepared and
presented.
WOODWARD: Okay. And the Director has mentioned that the question of the height
ordinance has been removed. So, anybody would like to make a motion?
KERN: Regarding the EnVision Downtown Hilo 2025 Community-Based Vision and Living
Action Plan – 5-year Action Plan Update with the non-substantive amendments, I move that it be
approved, or a favorable recommendation be sent. And this is based upon it not directly
affecting the property owners and the stakeholders at this time, it maintains a vision, it’s
updating the plan, it’s moving that forward. And I’ll have a lot more to say about that, which we
can get into later possibly. And we need a second. That’s it.
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WOODWARD: Okay. I think to keep it clean, if we could just have a motion to send a
favorable resolution; and the rest of it could be addressed in the discussion, if that would be
acceptable.
KERN: Motion to send a favorable resolution.
WOODWARD: Recommendation.
KERN: Recommendation.
ISHIBASHI: Second.
ISHIBASHI: Okay, second. All right. Then we can open it for discussion. Who’d like to go
first? Commissioner Kern.
KERN: Yeah, this is a challenging one. We’ve seen this, I think, a few times now with these
community plans coming through. And there’s action from the community, there’s stakeholders
there. And at a certain point this all comes together. And now the rubber is beginning to meet
the road, greater than it has in the past two years, which in my opinion it’s a stimulus to really
get everybody else involved. Folks have said they haven’t been involved yet or they want to get
more involved, to get involved before there are drastic changes made so everyone does have the
time and the opportunity to put forth their ideas on how they want to see it. Cause I think that’s
so important to have the stakeholders, the landowners involved in it. Because really, I mean, it’s
kind of like one of those things – can’t we all get along? I mean we all kind of want the same
thing. I think we all want a beautiful Downtown Hilo, we want there to be economic vitality
down there and a great place for kids and families and everyone else to enjoy. And if it’s a clean
beautiful place and people are enjoying it that’s going to be good for property values, it’s also
going to be good for businesses. So that’s my opinion with the broad vision of the plan. It’s a
stimulus to get everybody more involved. And the other changes that are coming up in the
future, that’s a completely different matter. And we’ve heard a lot of testimony on that, and
we’ll deal with that at that time. So, so far, that’s what I have to say. Thanks.
WOODWARD: Thank you, Commissioner Kern. Just one point of information that the
Commissioners are aware of but I didn’t bring this up to the public – We do have to have four
votes. This is a seven-member body. Even though we only have six seats filled two people are
not here. To have any action we need four, which is essentially a unanimous vote. Does
anybody else have anything further as far as discussion is concerned? Okay.
I’ll put in my two cents worth. I think we’ve heard some concerns, some concerns about
participation, some concerns about how representative some of the sampling was. But I think
we’ve also heard, and from people who have been in this field for a long time, that the basic
process is good. There may be some slight flaws in the plan but the plan is a guideline. It is not
the nuts and bolts, and that’s why I brought that up when Susan Gagorik was presenting the
information. Today we’re acting on a general guideline and whether that is worthy of support,
not specific matters of ordinance, not specific nuts and bolts. That’s coming later. And I think
the one thing that I see that is positive is that we have gotten, whether it was done the right way
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or not, it seems like we have now gotten all the stakeholders involved. And so that’s what I look
upon as positive in this situation. So, any other comments? Okay, seeing none, let’s take a vote.
COTTLE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Commissioner Kern?
KERN: Aye.
COTTLE: Commissioner Ishibashi?
ISHIBASHI: Aye.
COTTLE: Commissioner Au?
AY: Yes.
COTTLE: And Mr. Chairman?
WOODWARD: Aye.
COTTLE: Okay, the motion passes, four to zero.
WOODWARD: All right, very good. We will send a favorable recommendation to County
Council.
The discussion ended at 10:35 a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Sharon M. Nomura, Secretary
Windward Planning Commission
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