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REGULAR SESSION MINUTES
JANUARY 26, 2023
HAWAII COUNTY BUILDING, COUNCIL CHAMBERS
25 AUPUNI ST., SUITE 1401, HILO, HI
CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
Chair Kosaki called the meeting to order at 9:00 a.m.
Present: Gerald Kosaki, Chair
Gregory Henkel, Commissioner
Corey Luke, Commissioner
Shon Magsalin, Commissioner
Wesley Mattos, Commissioner
Gene Nakashima, Commissioner
Carlene Wolf, Commissioner
A quorum was present.
Absent: Benjamin Agdeppa, Vice Chair
Also present: Kazuo Todd, Fire Chief
Eric Moller, Deputy Fire Chief
John Bertsch, Assistant Chief
Suzanna Tiapula, Deputy Corporation Counsel
Charisse Correa, Secretary
PUBLIC STATEMENTS ON AGENDA ITEMS (None)
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Henkel motioned to approve the regular and executive session
minutes of December 7, 2022. Commissioner Wolf seconded, no discussion, it
carried unanimously, and the minutes were approved.
NEW BUSINESS
• Nomination and vote for Chair and Vice Chair of the Fire Commission. Chair Kosaki
opened it up for any nominations.
➢ Commissioner Wolf stated she would like to see Gerald Kosaki continue as
Chair and nominated him. Commissioner Nakashima seconded with no
discussion. Ms. Correa called the vote: Commissioner Henkel: aye,
Commissioner Luke: aye, Commissioner Magsalin: aye, Commissioner
Mattos: aye, Commissioner Nakashima: aye, Commissioner Wolf: aye. The
motion carried.
Chair Kosaki reported that the County Council confirmed his reappointment to the Fire
Commission for another five years.
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➢ Commissioner Mattos nominated Commissioner Wolf as Vice Chair.
Commissioner Henkel seconded with no discussion. Ms. Correa called the
vote: Commissioner Henkel: aye, Commissioner Luke: aye, Commissioner
Magsalin: aye, Commissioner Mattos: aye, Commissioner Nakashima: aye,
Chair Kosaki: aye. The motion carried.
FIRE CHIEF'S REPORT
Chief Todd highlighted items from the December 2022 Fire Chief's Report. A detailed
report is on file.
• Highlights: HFD recently ordered Raspberry Pi computers, which are cheap
computers for the purpose of having screens in admin that can display data. The first
one is currently in his office which shows his calendar off a system called DAKboard.
He explained that part of his goal as fire chief is to be transparent. He wants his
calendar to be visible to staff. It will eventually be mounted into one of the windows
in his office, so staff walking by the office can see where he is if he isn't in.
Chief Todd noted a change to the report's format. He explained his previous
secretary, Leanne Kapahu retired and introduced his new private secretary, Lauren
Williamson, who put the report together.
The Mauna Loa eruption is pretty much done, HFD had EMS stand by during this
event.
Chief officers participated in the inaugural ceremony held at the Civic Auditorium in
December and witnessed the swearing-in of the new County Council members.
There were a variety of community holiday events that occurred in December, such
as the Mayor's Red Kettle Breakfast and Magic of the Season.
• Hawaii Fire Chief's Association Conference: They brought in training for the
conference, and there were a variety of people such as retired Chief Bobby Halton,
Dr. Lori Moore-Merrell from the US Fire Administration, Derek Alkonis and Major
General Joseph Ryan, among other well-known speakers. The entire department
was invited to come by and listen in. They incorporated chief-level training and
discussions, as well as a variety of lower-rank discussions for firefighters, etc. The
conference ran HFD approximately a quarter million dollars, but this was all external
from the Fire Department and not in the normal budget. He explained you won't see
any reports on this because it was entirely external.
Chair Kosaki asked if any commissioners had the opportunity to attend the
conference. No commissioners attended. Chief Todd stated it was open, and if you
wanted to partake in the meals, it was $650. He explained that he didn't want to
change things, this has been the setup for the conference for as long as he's been in
the Fire Department. They took the same plan going forward and did the same thing.
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Now that he's done it the way it's always been done, there's a good chance, the next
time they host the chief's conference, they're going to go in a different direction.
Budget: Salaries are projected to be about 5% over by the end of the year. They will
probably adjust the minimum staffing temporarily for the end of the year. It's within
their ability to adjust and redirect and by the end of the year, they should be in line.
Raises kicked in summer time, and they need to retro everyone's salaries, but it's
not factored into their current budget.
HFD currently has only seven dispatchers and may be losing another during the
summer. They're currently communicating with HFFA, HGEA, as well as DHR about
placing firefighters in dispatch. That also means they would be pulling potentially
eight firefighters off the line. The basic layout has gone to DHR, they approved it and
are now waiting for HFFA and HGEA. The model is based on Honolulu fire
dispatchers' who are firefighters and run a similar schedule. This will be temporary
until they can get enough HGEA employees trained and discontinue this program.
Chair Kosaki confirmed that this will be on an interim basis or emergency basis until
HFD can get more dispatchers. Chief Todd stated yes, firefighters go through a year
of training and understand their process, but a problem with new dispatchers is that
they know nothing about the department, and takes about a year for them to get up
to speed. The plus of taking a firefighter and having them be a dispatcher is that
they've already gotten most of the training, they just need to learn the computer
system. The turnaround time to take a firefighter and train them to use that computer
and put them in dispatch is a lot faster, they estimate two months of computer
training.
Commissioner Mattos asked if this will be voluntary. Chief Todd stated initially it will
be voluntary, depending on how many people are interested. He explained the
schedule and everything else will match Honolulu's and Honolulu has a waiting list of
guys interested in working in dispatch. Chief Todd stated this could also potentially
throw salaries and wages off because it's not in the budget.
On the Ocean Safety side of the State funding, HFD is still not allowed to purchase
equipment, but he went to the legislature last week Thursday. He met with the Kauai
Fire Department's Chief, the finance chair, the majority leader, and everyone who
represents our island. He planted a lot of seeds and is hopeful that some of the
things they spoke about happen.
• Alternative Funding & Grants: Staffing for Adequate Fire and Emergency Response
(SAFER) federal grant is the same. HFD has another $40K with the USDA, Forest
Service, which is a volunteer fire assistance grant. They are still spending down the
previous year's grant. HFD also has this year's grant, which is $156K and they're
moving ahead with a variety of things. Not mentioned in the report, but he just
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received a phone call from the Mayor, HFD will be getting $370K for CDBG. Also, in
front of the Council the other day, the PVG funds were reallocated to HFD. The
Assistance to Firefighters Grant has been approved, and HFD received a federal
grant award of $494,900, with a County match of$49,490. This grant will be used to
purchase and install washers/extractors and dryers. These machines are designed
not to ruin firefighter's PPE, they need specialized equipment to wash their gear.
Chair Kosaki stated it's important to have those extractors at the stations.
Firefighters are exposed to a lot of hazardous chemicals while responding to
structure fires. Taking it home and washing it with their family's clothing would cause
it to spread the hazard to their families. Having these at the stations is much safer, in
addition to what the chief said about protecting the PPE.
• Personnel Report:
➢ Internal recruitments just closed for Fire EMS Specialist II, Fire Rescue
Specialist, and Fire/Hazardous Material Specialist. The Fire/EMS recruit
position has been created, they are in the process of getting the position
numbers assigned through DHR, and will open and do an early hire for this
position. Chief Todd explained that he's trying to create two pathways into the
department; one for paramedics and the other for firefighters. Firefighter joins
the department as a firefighter recruit and the paramedic can join as a
Fire/EMS recruit.
Chair Kosaki wanted to know how it was going with HR. Chief Todd stated the
positions were approved by County Council, they are now waiting for DHR to assign
position numbers, and then they will open for recruitment. Chair Kosaki asked when
they come in as a paramedic, are they going to get trained as firefighters also? Chief
Todd stated yes. Chair Kosaki asked as they move up the rank, can they cross over
to the fire side and become a fire captain? Chief Todd stated they have been
communicating with DHR regarding this for 9 months. Currently, the job of firefighter
says that you need one year as a firefighter recruit. Fire/EMS recruit is not a
firefighter recruit, it's a different position, so you're not eligible to be a firefighter.
However, the job of Fire Rescue Specialist, Fire Hazmat Specialist, or FEO, none of
these positions says that you need to have been a firefighter. It just says you need a
certain amount of years within the department. He's been communicating with DHR
regarding this, the mayor has been mediating some of these meetings and currently,
the lawyers are involved. They are continuing on with these discussions.
Independent of that, he's still moving ahead with the hiring because at a minimum it
will take a year before they're able to move around anyway.
Chief Todd stated another thing he's working on and one of the things he was talking
with the legislature about is adding six paramedic positions. He'd like to take Kailua
Fire Station and Central Fire Station and go from three paramedics up to six. He
further explained that these are the two busiest stations on the island, so having a
second paramedic would be useful and is critical.
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Commissioner Mattos said going back to the argument regarding Fire/EMS, the
problem is that they come in as a paramedic, and they get a ranking, whereas a
firefighter, their alternative is to get promoted to FEO. All the time that they're on the
job, they're TAing into the engine, but they don't get any points, but when they take
the test, the FMS guy who has no time on the engine gets points. Chief Todd stated
he understands and agrees. He further explained it's difficult because making any
major changes requires a union consult. One of the issues is with the point system,
which is entirely based on ease of math because it's easier to add everything up in
the end. The reality is, do you think a Fire Rescue Specialist, Fire Hazmat specialist,
or Fire Medical Specialist is getting twice the experience as a firefighter? Not really,
but does he think they should get some additional points for doing harder, more
challenging work and having more knowledge? He does. The same argument
applies to Hazmat and Rescue, they get extra points because they have extra
knowledge. It's a mixture of different aspects, it's something he would like to address
and open up for a conversation with the union, but he hasn't had the time.
Chair Kosaki asked what about allocating some points to people who TA as drivers
etc. Chief Todd stated it would be entirely fair, he agrees with the concept but has no
idea how they would account for TA times. He further explained one of the thoughts
thrown out there was a cap. If you're going for FEO there's a cap of 24 points from
T&E, you could get it through education, or a position. Other opportunities would be
offered to get points such as attending the National Fire Academy or passing a
course, etc.
Commissioner Magsalin asked if paramedics make more money than firefighters.
Chief Todd stated potentially, the paramedic is one of the positions in the
department where if you want to work, you could probably make more money than
anyone else. There are paramedics in the department that make more than the
chief.
Commissioner Magsalin asked if he sees more females applying for the paramedic
position. Chief Todd stated he doesn't have exact numbers, but in his opinion, there
seems to be a higher percentage of women who are interested in going to the
paramedic side than men. They currently only have eight women in the department.
He's hopeful that having this other route encourages more women to join the
department. He feels the department has to change and grow and deal with the
times that are today. One of the big pushes was to split the budget, where the EMS
money isn't under Fire. The Fire Department is a combination of four departments; a
volunteer dept., a fire dept., an EMS dept., and an ocean safety dept. and he wants
all these departments funded appropriately.
Chair Kosaki stated that fire-based EMS is very valuable. Throughout history, it has
been shown to be important in many instances where a firefighter who is a
paramedic can provide help. If it's separated it would be no different from Maui,
Oahu, and Kauai where they have private ambulances. Chief Todd stated to clarify,
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that's not his intention, every single person will be fully trained. HFD is a Fire, EMS,
and Ocean Safety based department, it's always going to be one department, he'll
never split the departments permanently where EMS has one uniform and are only
required to have EMS skills.
Chief Todd stated the current system is making it hard to get paramedics, so maybe
they can encourage other people who are interested, but they still need to be
qualified firefighters. Chair Kosaki stated he agrees and suggested not separating it
too much where they forget that there is a valuable resource in having paramedics
going to fires or rescues and treating people. Chief Todd stated externally on a
budgetary side he wants HFD to be looked at as four different programs. Internally
he wants HFD to be considered one department, he would also like to see close tie-
ins with Ocean Safety personnel in the future.
➢ Open Recruitments: Chief Todd reported there are approximately 20 people
lined up for the firefighter recruit position; 10 with a conditional offer and 10
alternatives. DHR referred 50 names for Fire Communications Officers, but
only 11 showed up for interviews. They are moving to fill accountant
positions. They have an Accountant IV, are creating an Accountant III
position, and are looking to fill three Account I positions. They filled two Clerk
III positions (EMS Bureau and Administration). They're still working on the
Clerk III interviews (Auxiliary Services Bureau). Open recruitment for Water
Safety Officer I positions opened on January 1, 2023, and closed on January
10, 2023.
➢ Classifications: The Storekeeper position was reallocated to Program Support
Technician effective September 1, 2022. One Fire Fighter position was
reallocated to Fire/EMS Specialist I effective January 1, 2023.
• Total Calls for Service (CY 2022): HFD ended the year with a total of 29,594 calls.
• Turn-Out Times (CY 2022): Chief Todd referred to the report and stated as they
started to put out the stats, they've been seeing an increase in turn-out times, and
it's been improving.
• Fire Impacts (CY 2022): A total of 18,269 acres burned for the year. Most of this was
from the fire that started on PTA land and then moved down into state land, above
Waikoloa. There was a total of 716 fires (all other 100 series) such as cooking fires,
something smoking, and a variety of other issues.
Recess was called at 10:03 a.m., the meeting reconvened at 10:14 a.m.
• Highlights: On December 1, 2022, a boat capsized at four corners, and Chopper 1
was able to extract them. On December 21, 2022, at Wai`olena Beach there were
scuba divers in distress due to high surf, all divers were retrieved utilizing Chopper
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1, with no injuries or fatalities. There were small brush fires, nothing that really
transitioned, but were suspicious, investigators responded. On December 16, 2022,
there was a missing hiker, who was located in Manuka. On December 19, 2022,
there was an aircraft emergency with right-side hydraulic failure, they landed with no
major issues. There was a recent incident where a fisherman went missing, but that
will be on next month's report.
Chair Kosaki wanted to know if HFD helped with the search for the missing
fisherman because he was four miles out. Chief Todd stated they assisted with no
positive findings. Chair Kosaki asked isn't the policy one mile? Chief Todd explained
three miles, anything outside of three miles is Coast Guard. The Coast Guard did
deploy to this as well. It is a little far out for HFD, their boats aren't in the best
condition, and they are in the process of repairing them.
Chair Kosaki asked if HFD personnel went through CISD after responding to the
tragic incident involving the Takamines. Chief Todd stated he believes it was offered,
but he doesn't know if they went through CISM or not. Generally, after a major
incident such as that, CISM is activated and they bring personnel in, it happens
throughout the year. He will double-check and get back to him regarding this
particular incident.
• Special Operations:
➢ HazMat: They are currently doing their HazMat tech training. This is an
ongoing class to get new Haz-Techs. Chair Kosaki asked if the HazMat grant
is paying for this. Chief Todd explained the instructor side of it is being paid
for by the grant and the overtime is coming out of their budget.
➢ Ocean Safety: Open recruitment for Water Safety Officer I is set to open in
January 2023 with PAE tentatively set for Mid-February. There's one
retirement at the end of December, Darren Kaleo Hauanio retired after
serving 34 years as a Water Safety Officer with Hawaii County.
➢ Rescue: HFD had its Fire Rescue Promotional Assessment and started
receiving donations of rescue equipment from the Daniel R. Sayre
Foundation.
• Emergency Medical Services Report: They received an additional $1.2 million last
year from the state in this year's budget, which is why the budget is higher. They're
in the process of picking up seven ambulances. New Panasonic G2 Toughbooks
have been deployed to all medic units. The new laptops now have the ability to
receive EKG data directly from Lifepak 15 monitors and assist with populating
patient care reports. EMS Branch personnel participated in a Hawaii Life Flight crew
sunset vigil in Hilo and Kona. This vigil was held in memory of the three personnel
who were involved in the tragic aeromedical incident that occurred. The Hilo Medical
Center Foundation will be donating three LUCAS compression devices to HFD.
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These compression devices will be assigned to Medics 6, 8, and 18. The EMS
Branch will be on standby for this year's KWXX Downtown Ho'olaule`a. This event is
expected to attract approximately 19,000 people and is scheduled for this Saturday.
• Training Services: The 51 st recruit class graduated on the 16t", at Nani Mau. For the
last few recruit classes, they have been doing co-training with ARFF (State Airport
Rescue Fire Fighting teams). They have been sharing training resources and
trainers. They also have good relations with PTA, all the live fire burns were done at
PTA. The 51 st recruits supported and attended the Hawaii Fire Chief's Conference.
The class attended presentations from fire service giants such as Chiefs Rick Lasky,
Bobby Halton, and Derek Alkonis. The class was amongst the last to hear Chief
Halton speak prior to his untimely passing two days later. They recorded his final
speeches, which will eventually be on YouTube, when he gets those videos, he will
pass them on to the commission. They're working to tie their vector solutions in with
drill reports, which would facilitate more accurate data and analysis of company drill
activities. At the moment there isn't a current recruit class. The next class will start
around June, they have a meeting tomorrow to finalize hiring decisions. In the
meantime, BC Springer is working to deploy training to the stations.
Chair Kosaki wanted to know if Fire Commissioners are usually invited to the recruit
graduation. Chief Todd stated he believes it has been a thing of the past. He didn't
think about inviting other people but will look into it. He further explained there has
been a lot of personnel who moved positions within the department, and it kind of
got lost in the shuffle. Chair Kosaki stated he believes it's usually the recruit training
officer who ensures invitations go out. Chief Todd stated he will let them know that
the Fire Commission would like to be invited to future events. Moving forward, his
secretary will be involved and will make sure invites go out.
• Volunteer Report: Assistant Chief John Bertsch reported that they have been
progressing rapidly under the new administration with regard to getting the
volunteers more integrated and looped into the program. They have been seeing a
tremendous amount of enthusiasm and excitement that is translating to the ability for
them to recruit and retain people out in the field and to improve some of the facilities
that the volunteers are housed in and the equipment. He invited the Fire
Commission to the next quarterly captains' meeting scheduled for February 25,
2023, in Waimea, at Station 9-Bravo. He stated he will email Ms. Correa with details
for distribution to commissioners. Training the volunteers is an important aspect and
a huge focus for them in 2023, which includes a more manageable curriculum. He
thanked Chief Chadwick and Chief Springer for putting a tremendous amount of time
and effort into developing the curriculum that they'll be moving forward with and
rolling out in 2023.
Chair Kosaki asked where the meeting will be held in Waimea. AC Bertsch stated it
will be in Waimea, at Station 9-Bravo, Anekona, about eight minutes makai of
Waimea. They'll send a map with directions.
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Assistant Chief Bertsch further reported one of the biggest issues they currently face
is the ability to track the individual certifications of volunteers across the board. They
don't have access to the same software programs that the career side has. They're
looking at correcting that through the grant funding that the chief was able to provide
them and are currently in negotiations with the vector solutions group to find out
what it would cost to roll all the volunteers into this program.
• Fire Prevention: Chief Todd reported Firefighter John Requelman and Fire
Hazardous Materials Specialist GaryAhu Jr. were promoted to Fire Inspector I on
December 1st. The Fire Prevention Branch investigated two structure fires during
the month of December. The fires were located in Districts 10 and 18. They also
investigated a vehicle fire in District 6 involving Medic 7 (M7), which caught on fire
while transporting a patient to the hospital. There were no injuries to EMS personnel
and the patient. The fire originated from the engine compartment area, and M7 was
towed to the mechanic shop. They had about 136 hours this month in plan reviews,
with 29 hours being spent on inspections, testing, meetings, etc. leaving 107 hours
dedicated to plan reviews. There were 40 plans reviewed with an average time of
2.6 hours spent on each plan. The Fire Prevention Branch conducted 12 public
education presentations during the month. They got the 2018 NFPA 1 Fire Code
passed, it went in front of the Hawaii County Council. He also got the 2021 Code
finished at the State Fire Council, this version is now at the State Building Code
Council and should become the State Code here shortly thereafter, at which time
they'll start a whole new cycle to move from 2018 to 2021.
• Auxiliary Services: They are continuing on with their emergency communications
center's challenges. They had some power issues and are looking at a major
overhaul of some of their IT systems, which will take down their ability to do
dispatching on some of the systems within dispatch. Interviews were scheduled for
FCO I after completing the job preview presentation. Out of the initial 50 applicants,
they have 11 scheduled interviews. The warehouse storekeeper continues to make
improvements to both the online store and organizing the warehouse. They caught
up with their records requests. Clerk L. Labrador and Firefighter La`a have done a
great job organizing and reviewing the record requests, and they are now up to date
with all requests. For their apparatus and equipment repair area, they did 80 total
repairs/services, 24 service calls, and contracted eight events out.
• Matters of Interest to the Commission: Chief Todd stated he has a couple more
things to discuss that are not in the report. He reported that they are changing their
uniforms.
DCC Tiapula asked if this is on the agenda. Chair Kosaki stated it is not on the
agenda. She asked if it was related to something that was in the report. Chief Todd
explained it would be the Fire Chief reporting on things, 30% of the things discussed
aren't specifically mentioned in the report. DCC Tiapula stated as much as possible,
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it should be in the report, but if it's related to things in the report that's fine. Chair
Kosaki stated it's related to the report.
Chief Todd reported that uniforms are going to change, they will be fire-resistant,
and he signed off on that already. He will be going to the mainland for 9-1-1 Goes to
Washington at the end of February and won't be able to attend the volunteer
meeting. While in Washington, he plans to contact their federal representatives
regarding funding and make those connections.
Commissioner Magsalin asked if the chief's speech at the recruit graduation could
be found online. Chief Todd stated it isn't but he can send it to Ms. Correa for
distribution. He asked if she was asking for a video or a written speech.
Commissioner Magsalin stated a video would be better. Chief Todd stated he will
see what he can find. They have a video that was put together by their training staff
of the recruits, it will be posted online and forwarded to the commission.
Chair Kosaki asked Chief Todd if he was able to look at all the Fire Commission
meeting dates for 2023 to see if there are any conflicts. Chief Todd stated he will be
absent in April due to a conference and in May he will be at the National Fire
Academy. All the other dates scheduled don't currently conflict with anything.
Chair Kosaki stated he has a conflict in March and July. He asked the commission if
they would like to change the dates for these meetings or have Vice Chair Wolf run
the meetings during his absence and have Chief Moller give the chief's report in
April and May. Commissioner Henkel suggested using the chain of command, as it
strengthens the whole system. He suggested keeping the scheduled dates and the
commission agreed.
Chief Todd stated he will send his calendar to Ms. Correa showing all his travel
plans, conferences, and training that he needs to attend.
EXECUTIVE SESSION (CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC)
Commissioner Magsalin motioned to meet in executive session to consider complaints
against employees of the fire department, where matters affecting privacy will be
involved and for the purpose of consulting with the commission's attorney on questions
and issues pertaining to the commission's powers, duties, privileges, immunities, and
liabilities pursuant to HRS Sections 92-5, (a)(2)(4)(6) and the Hawaii County Charter 13-
20 (b). Commissioner Luke seconded, no discussion, and it carried unanimously.
Executive session convened at 10:53 a.m.
Commissioner Henkel left the meeting at 10:53 a.m.
Motion to reconvene open session made by Commissioner Nakashima, seconded by
Vice Chair Wolf, and it carried unanimously, open session reconvened at 11:27 a.m.
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ANNOUNCEMENTS
Chair Kosaki announced the commission's next monthly meeting is scheduled for
February 23, 2023, at 9:00 a.m., at the West Hawaii Civic Center, Building A, Council
Chambers, 74-5044 Ane Keohokalole Highway, Kailua-Kona, HI.
DCC Tiapula reported that DCC Keyra Wong will be attending the Kona meetings.
Commissioner Mattos asked if it's appropriate for commissioners to visit their district's
stations and question personnel about their opinions on leadership and administration.
DCC Tiapula stated she will do research and report back to the commission. Chair
Kosaki stated in the past, commissioners would visit the stations and dispatch. He feels
it's good for them to get information outside of what the chief reports to them.
Commissioner Mattos feels if the commission speaks to personnel, they'll be more open
and honest with them about their views and opinions. DCC Tiapula stated a general visit
to the station is ok. It's the questioning of employees that she's concerned about. She
will research this and will provide a response for the commission in executive session.
Commissioner Magsalin asked if they can ask for a copy of the deputy's evaluation or
ask that the chief share it with them. Chair Kosaki asked if it was confidential. DCC
Tiapula stated it would be in executive session and that she would research this and will
provide an answer for the commission at the next meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 11:31 a.m.
SUBMITTED BY: CHARISSE CORREA, SECRETARY
APPROVED BY: GERALD KOSAKI, CHAIR