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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2023-06-15 Exh A (Public Testimony re Item 1&2 Kaupulehu Land LLC) LEEWARD PLANNING COMMISSION COUNTY OF HAWAI`I TESTIMONY TRANSCRIPT JUNE 15, 2023 Public testimony regarding the application of KA`UPULEHU LAND LLC (PL-SLU-2022- 000008 and PL-REZ-2022-000039)was heard at 9:38 a.m. in the West Hawaii Civic Center, Council Chambers, Building A, 74-5044 Ane Keohokalole Highway, Kailua-Kona, Hawaii, with Chairman Michael Vitousek presiding. COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Barbara DeFranco, Zaheva Knowles, Michael Dela Cruz, Clement"CJ" Kanuha III, and Michael Vitousek. ABSENT AND EXCUSED: Mahina Paishon-Duarte. ALSO PRESENT: Sinclair Salas-Ferguson, Esq. (Counsel to the Commission), Jean Campbell, Esq. (Counsel to the Planning Department), Zendo Kern (Planning Director), Maija Jackson (Planning Program Manager), Christian Kay (Planner), Alex Roy (Planner), Janice Hata(Zoom host), Noriko Sauer(Commission Secretary) and Melissa Dacayanan-Salvador (Commission Secretary). And approximately ten public members in the audience. APPLICANT: KAUPULEHU LAND LLC (PL-SLU-2022-000008) Application for a State Land Use Boundary Amendment from Agricultural to Rural for 2.653 acres of land. The subject property is located at 64-983 Mamalahoa Highway, approximately one mile east of its intersection with Kawaihae Road, Pu`ukapu Homesteads, South Kohala, Hawaii, TMK: (3) 6-4-024:027 (por.). APPLICANT: KAUPULEHU LAND LLC (PL-REZ-2022-000039) Application for a Change of Zone from an Agricultural-5 acre (A-5a) zoning district to a Neighborhood Commercial-10,000 square feet(CN-10) zoning district for 2.325 acres of land and from an Agricultural-5 acre (A-5a) zoning district to a Residential Agri cultural-0.5 acre (RA-0.5) zoning district for 3.024 acres of land. The subject property is located at 64-983 Mamalahoa Highway, approximately one mile east of its intersection with Kawaihae Road, Pu`ukapu Homesteads, South Kohala, Hawaii, TMK: (3) 6-4-024:027. Secretary's Note: Due to a problem with audio quality, the parts that cannot be transcribed are indicated as [indecipherable]. DEFRANCO: Okay testifiers on Zoom, are we ready to do this? HATA: Yes, Chair. We three (3)testifiers on Zoom. DEFRANCO: Okay. 1 EXHIBIT A HATA: And our first testifier is John Kawano on agenda items I and 2. DEFRANCO: Okay. So at first, I just want all you if they could raise your right hand and swear to tell the truth today before the Leeward Planning Commission. Yes? ZOOM TESTIFIERS: Yes, by nodding their heads. DEFRANCO: Yes, everybody's yes. There's one more person I can't hear or see you. Yes, there's 3 people? HATA: Yes, there are. Nancy if you could unmute your audio. CARR SMITH: Sure. HATA: Thank you. CARR SMITH: I agree. DEFRANCO: Okay. All right, thank you and then who's going to go first then? HATA: Our first testifier is John Kawano. DEFRANCO: Yes, will please state your name and where you are from, and you have 3 minutes then to speak. Go ahead John. Unmute and speak. KAWANO: Good morning, good morning, everyone. I'm John Kawano and we are a neighbor of such property of Mr. Metzler. DEFRANCO: Yes, please go ahead. KAWANO: Okay, I'm sorry. F DEFRANCO: Yeah, but please state — KAWANO: First of all, I'd like to open up in saying Mr. Metzler has always been a good neighbor to us, been very fair but for me this project the impact on the community I feel we are maxing in our infrastructures right now. So it will promote a heavy traffic impact. Waimea, we have school traffic in the morning, after work traffic in the evening. I mean we're maxing. We can't even get out of our driveways now. Secondly such property when it rains heavy, heavy rain, water flows through our property into the Metzler property. It's always been a saturation point where it can absorb this flood waters and when he puts up that parking lot how is it going to egress the surrounding properties around him below him. That's our concern. Is it going to cause flooding to these properties because we have, the back of the property has Lanimaumau Stream. It's a flood zone and the front of the property is the egress of Lanimaumau Stream onto Mamalahoa Highway. It runs down through the front of Metzler's property, and it 2 EXHIBIT A egresses into that next Parker Ranch properties. So, how is that impacting public safety and then thirdly, I hate to put him on the spot because he's kind of the fringes of what's town and what's country. But once we open up this flood gate and allow Ag-5 to be broken up like this. What's to propose everyone on these 20 acres parcels all the way up to Lakeland. HATA: Thirty (30) seconds John, 30 seconds. KAWANO: Okay, this will be like the stick holding back the dam of flood waters, yeah. So, whatever we say, oh, we want to be sustainable, we want to be sustainable. Let's preserve this Ag land. If Mr. Metzler knew how money he could grow, how much money he could make growing celery on that property. I think he would reconsider [indecipherable] to spending all this money. That land is, wow, I've seen it produce so much — HATA: John, your time is up. DEFRANCO: Thank you John. KAWANO: Thank you. DEFRANCO: Yeah, and the next person speaking is? HATA: Your next testifier is E. Kalani Flores on agenda items 1 and 2. DEFRANCO: Okay, welcome, I sort of skipped a little part here, I just want to reiterate that we will speak with Aloha to each other with respect. We will keep this to a 3 minute and keep it focused on comments related to this subject and if anybody isn't going to be courteous and respect one another I will not hesitate to exercise authority as the Chairperson to address these behaviors. Okay, thank you. Go ahead. FLORES: Aloha, Chair. Before I get started, I want to start a question of clarity. Do I have 3 minutes per agenda item? Since I'm speaking upon 2 agenda items. DEFRANCO: Yes. FLORES: So, I would have a total of six (6) minutes. Is that correct? DEFRANCO: Oh, that's correct. Thank you. UNKNOWN.- You weren't given 6 minutes, John. DEFRANCO: Please state your name and where you're from. FLORES: Aloha Commissioners, my name is E. Kalani Flores. We're residents in Waimea. We're actually just a few blocks down from the proposed project and my is Pua Case and we live like a I said, we live just a few blocks down from the project. We adamantly oppose this project because it's too big, the project as proposed and so first of all I have submitted written 3 EXHIBIT A testimony dated June 13, 2023 that if you take a look at it, I'm not [Unintelligible crosstalk]. I'm not going to go over all details, but I just want to highlight that the project is not in compliance and not consistent with the General Plan and the South Kohala CDP and I've outlined all the reasons why in there. So, I'm not going to go over the specific reasons. But one of the main concerns is what this project is bigger than it is that should be in this particular section. Mr. Kawano spoke about the traffic. I say that the traffic assessment is unrealistic from a Honolulu firm that did it and from someone who lives right down the road the traffic is horrendous at times and this is only increased traffic in this area. But in particular why this is not consistent with the General Plan is that first of all part of the General Plan talks about protecting the agricultural lands in Hawaii and on this island. And that particular parcel is one of the prime agricultural lands in all of the islands in particularly in Waimea. The reason why is it's not just the soil but it's the climate and elevation, but it's protected from the wind in this particular area. That's why that was and still is a prime agricultural land and it was a prime agricultural land prior to being acquired as such. So, I listed all the reasons why the goals and policies and courses of action are inconsistent with this particular project. In addition to that when you look at also the General Plan has to do with commercial development. There's certain things why it's inconsistent with commercial development as such. One of things this project is, is this project as such is when you look at in the General Plan 14.3.5.6.2 Courses of Action. It says the County and the Planning Commissions are to "establish controls to insure orderly development and minimize speculation of commercially zoned lands". This project is purely speculation a project. As you can see the project was once zoned before Commercial and then it was Ag and then the owner took it out and put it in Ag to reduce his taxes, which isn't against the law. But in the [indecipherable] he wasn't really trying to get; he was just trying to reduce his taxes in agricultural under agricultural zoning knowing that he's going to come back and build a bigger project here. So, that's purely speculation, this project is pretty speculation and when you go to the CDP, the South Kohala CDP and you look at Page 2 at the bottom. There's a Policy No. 2 that says, "Responsible Growth": Moderate the Pace of Growth and Change in Waimea". One of the things that doesn't meet as such it says that one of the strategies is 2.1. It says, " The County shall carefully evaluate and condition, as appropriate, any rezoning that would negatively impact important agricultural lands or culturally, visually and environmentally important open spaces or resources in Waimea". This is not consistent with the South Kohala CDP and in addition it also says and go to Page 3 at the top. It says, private lands that are currently zoned A-5a, and so forth should retain their current zoning. That's not the case here. Another concern of course is that if you look at, if you actually know the property in Waimea, there's actually a map, a satellite picture of it. This proposed project is being sandwiched in between the historic Ranch houses of Parker Ranch and other houses on the east side. So both on the east and west side there's residential homes, historic residential homes and this project is trying to sandwich itself inside between the two of them. So, all the other reasons listed on why this project should be not approved. This project is once again proposed solely for speculation purposes. This proposed project will adversely increase traffic congestion near this area. The 4 EXHIBIT A proposed commercial development scale and size is not compatible for this area and the proposed project would adversely increase property taxes for residents in this area. So, what I'm saying is that the size and scope of this project is too large and too big. So, if the applicant wants to come back to get what the original zoning was then we won't be as most adamantly opposed to that. The original zoning was Ag-5a and there was a zoning in the front the commercial CN-7.5 for the front end. HATA: 30 seconds remaining. FLORES: So, what I'm saying is that the project right now is going for a higher up zoning than what it originally was prior to making it all Ag. So, I say the applicant should come back in with the previous zoning of that area and the project should not be upscaled to CN-10. Why are we increasing the capacity and size of the commercial development? The further you move from the Town Center; the development should be down scaling. Right now, you're upscaling. All the other commercial properties are all CN-7.5 and this should not be a commercial CN-10. HATA: Kalani, please summarize your testimony. Thank you. FLORES: I'd like to thank you Commissioners and if you take a look in detail as to my testimony provided both written and orally. This project cannot move forward because it's not consistent with the General Plan. It's not consistent with the Kohala CDP and I thank you folks for your time and opportunity to provide testimony on this matter today. Thank you so much. Mahalo. DEFRANCO: Thank you very much. We have one more Zoom testifier. HATA: Chair, if I may. I'd like to offer John 3 more minutes to testify. He registered to testify on agenda items 1 and 2. I apologize John. DEFRANCO: Okay. KAWANO: Can I request that my partner have 3 minutes because we're on the same email to testify? DEFRANCO: That will be fine. KAWANO: Okay. Okay. DEFRANCO: But I need to swear her in please. KAWANO: Okay, she'll be right here. Thank you. DEFRANCO: You swear to tell the truth today before the Commission? 5 EXHIBIT A DAVENPORT: Yes. DEFRANCO: Yes, and will you please state your name and where you're from. DAVENPORT: Sure. My name is Ceci Davenport, I'm from Waimea and I just want to say, I think because we use the same email is why maybe I wasn't on the Zoom list. DEFRANCO: So, do you want 6 minutes then to speak? DAVENPORT: Sure, I'll take as much time as you allow me. That will be great. DEFRANCO: Okay and John did you need your other 3 minutes? We want to make sure everybody gets what they need to say. KAWANO: Yeah, I'll take 3 more minutes, if you guys don't mind. DEFRANCO: So, John do you want to finish then and then we'll move on to Ceci. Is that all right? KAWANO: Yes. DEFRANCO: Okay, all right John. KAWANO: For me, growing up here. We grew up next door to the Ishihara's and I watched John Metzler. There was Jeffrey Cipriano had covered that property so-called property in rocks. DEFRANCO: And again, I'm just going to have you speak directly to what we're talking about today and make your comments — KAWANO: This will pertain, this will pertain. DEFRANCO: Okay. KAWANO: Because the Council needs to understand where our culture comes from. I'm not Hawaiian. I was raised with the Hawaiians and the Council needs to understand aloha `aina and how this is going to pertain to our keiki's, our future. This is what we're fighting for. Listen. Listen. You think we're referring to the past, yeah, but we're protecting the future here. So, you listen, okay. I watched John Metzler and Ian, his partner. I watch them clean out every single rock in the afternoons. Bust ass. They're dirty, you know. Here's Ian and John around this fire having a beer. You know what happened to Jeffrey Cipriano. He died of a heart attack, instantly. So, this is what we only trying to tell Mr. Metzler, don't forget the land you protected. — DEFRANCO: Please direct your comments to me. [Indecipherable crosstalk]. 6 EXHIBIT A KAWANO: It's like Kalani said, this agricultural we have to protect it and that's what we're fighting for. You know, not put up a parking lot buried in concrete. This land is, I watched it produce celery in the [indecipherable] tons. There's no rocks on it. This is what we're fighting for and during the pandemic we say, hey,we got to promote sustainability. But how are we doing that. Think. Think you guys. So, that's my testimony. DEFRANCO: Thank you John. KAWANO: Okay. DEFRANCO: CJ did you want to come on now and are you there CJ? Ceci, sorry. DAVENPORT: Oh, yes, yeah. Yes. DEFRANCO: Okay. All right. Go ahead. DAVENPORT: So, yes. Thank you very much. DEFRANCO: Please say your name again Ceci for us and where you live. DAVENPORT: Oh, sure. My name is Ceci Davenport. I live on the Kawano property right next to the subject property. I like John who was born and raised in this beautiful town. People say when you move away, and I moved away for a long time. I moved away after high school and they say that you get, you know, you don't know how to really move into a new environment especially in a big city. But coming home was even more of a shock to me to see what Waimea had turned into and what Waimea has become and what it is today. My grandfather was a rancher and a farmer, and he took a lot of pride in that. The subject property and I know Commissioner, Chairperson you don't want us to veer off of the applications. But like John said, it's important. It's very, very important for people to understand the land and what this land means and what this land can provide. It's not just 3 two-story buildings with a 75-parking lot or space that parking space parking lot. It's just not 5 more potentially 10 more homes in the back. It's maintaining what we have because once it's gone, you can never ever get it back. So, if there is going to be development it should be responsible development. It should not, I understand developers are in the business to make money. I understand that. I'm in real estate. As John's wife is. As Nancy Carr is. So, to make money it's okay but don't do it to the detriment of the town and of the neighborhood and that's exactly how this development will impact this town and this immediate surrounding neighborhood. Imagine a KTA parking lot next door. On that property because that's what he's asking for. That's 75 cars parked there, and you'll say, "oh, well there's never going to be 75 cars parked there at one time". Well, have you ever been to the KTA parking lot shopping center. Traffic is backed up to the streetlight. Try getting out of Foodland or Longs now. It's difficult and you have traffic moving at a very, very fast here, more than the speed limit, which is not good and 7 EXHIBIT A that's not Mr. Metzler's fault, it's not his problem. But it will even increase. It will add to the already heavy, heavy traffic that we have here. Public safety. It's just not a good idea. To continue with what John was saying about the land. I don't know if Mr. Metzler's aware of this. But there's a lot of energy on that property, especially up front. It's not good energy. Jeffrey Cipriano, I knew when I was a kid. Jeffrey died of a heart attack for no reason. Jeffrey was young and I think this is something Mr. Metzler should keep in mind and look Commission whether you believe it, whether you understand it,whether you want to believe it or not. It doesn't matter because it does exist! So, if Mr. Metzler wants to continue with this, he should go in with eyes wide open and when something happens because it's not a matter of"if'. It's a matter of"when". When something happens to, he, his wife, his kids — DEFRANCO: Excuse me, please if you want to speak to us directly — DAVENPORT: Yeah. [Indecipherable crosstalk]. I'm addressing Mr. Metzler because I know he's in the audience there. DEFRANCO: [indecipherable] you have to stop talking now— DAVENPORT: Yep, okay. DEFRANCO: — with your testimony. Thank you. DAVENPORT: Yep, thank you very much Commission. DEFRANCO: Okay, I think we have one more person on Zoom and again I want to remind everybody that your comments are made to me they're to be about what we're talking about today. What's on our agenda items and any background that you feel that we need to know we do want to hear from you. But we want it done in a respectful way — DAVENPORT: But that was respectful. DEFRANCO: — thank you. Please state your name, and where you're from. CARR SMITH: Good morning, Commissioners. I'm Nancy Carr Smith, past Chair of this Leeward Planning Commission, and resident of Waimea. I'm testifying as an individual in favor of the rezone for Ka`upulehu Land project in Waimea. I love Waimea. I'm very involved in the community. I'm a Director at Waimea Community Association. I'm on the Waimea Design Review Committee, Waimea Parade Committee. I'm a Coordinator with Big Island Giving Tree, we help kupuna and keiki in our community and I organize Waimea's Annual Mahalo to First Responders Event. I'm very invested in the well-being of our community. I know this property and I think the rezone to smaller Ag lots is a good plan. We need more small Ag parcels for Waimea residents to purchase and live on. They can't always afford larger parcels, nor can they realistically maintain them. I know that Ag has become a hot topic and we all want to preserve it. I get that. But in reality, farmers are often a dying breed, unfortunately. Younger 8 EXHIBIT A generations don't always want to take over the businesses and while we do have some younger farmers coming to Waimea to benefit from its fertile soil and temperate weather. Many others are no longer farming or ranching. There's a lot of barren Ag land in Waimea that's not being used in Ag. I feel that in more cases than not these days we see locals wanting small properties, small Ag properties to grow their own food, raise their animals and raise their family and these parcels I believe are appropriate for that. I think the applicant has also demonstrated the respect to the local architecture by maintaining the design in those 2 existing ranch homes that are on the property. In terms of the commercial zoning along Mamalahoa, I think that is appropriate. It has neighboring commercial properties and, in this area, nearing the end of the commercial zone going east out of town. There are other commercial zone properties or buildings as well and many of them are in disrepair. There's medical practitioners and other service providers that would like to offer services to us residents of Waimea and they cannot find spaces to provide those services. I think it would be nice if Waimea kupuna didn't have to travel to get services. It'd be nice if they were in town. I can say that I prefer to see the commercial buildings be single-story structures. I think it would have a lot less of a visual impact probably meaning fewer units. But in general, I support the concept. I know that a traffic study has been done. We can only assume that— HATA: 30 seconds Nancy. CARR SMITH: —oh, okay. Oh, I didn't get the 6 minutes. Okay. DEFRANCO: 6 minutes, is that right. HATA: Because Nancy is registered for only agenda item 2 is what I see on my end. CARR SMITH: Okay. Got it. DEFRANCO: Excuse me, if Nancy wants to speak for 6 minutes, she can just like everybody else has. HATA: Oh, okay, got it. CARR SMITH: That's fine. Thank you. Yeah, so I think the commercial building should be single-story. I know that the traffic, the left turn lane has already been installed in front of Earl's and this property. I know that Earl's recently put out a statement that they're no longer allowing parking in front of their building. So, that should help with some of that confusion getting in and out and evidently, it's going to be left turn both ways. So, that would be helpful as well. I know that traffic's an issue here. I always just look at it as it's school/work traffic and then it's over. In closing, I want to say, I do not know the applicant. I know Joni is in real estate, but I don't know them. I do believe that people need to be treated fairly and when I see form letters that say that they oppose any development by this applicant. Then I have a pretty good feeling that it's personal and I think that's sad. I respect everyone's opinions, but I do feel that you as 9 EXHIBIT A Commissioners need to keep the personal feelings aside and look at the technical merits of the application and follow your rules. That's all I have. Thank you very much. DEFRANCO: Thank you Nancy. Do any of the Commissioners have any questions for the testifiers so far? Okay, so, we have. Thank you, Nancy. We have one testifier here, an in-person testifier. Can we call him now? Yeah, so, Ian Langevieria. Oh, sorry. Yeah, either one and just come and sit down and turn your mic on and I'm just going to ask you to raise your right hand and it's that little button on the bottom, the very bottom. There you go. LANGEVIN: How about that. DEFRANCO: And put the, yeah, aloha. I'm just going to swear you in. Do you swear to tell the truth today in front of the Commission? LANGEVIN: I do. DEFRANCO: Okay and then just state your name and where you're from. LANGEVIN: Thanks. Commissioners, my name is Ian Langevin and I'm — DEFRANCO: Put it right here, so — LANGEVIN: Okay. DEFRANCO: Okay. LANGEVIN There we go. DEFRANCO: Thank you. LANGEVIN: My name is Ian Langevin and I'm a 35-year resident of Waimea. I raised my family there and I have been involved with this subject land for since 2002, back when it was a total mess. So, if I could spend my first maybe only 2 minutes on the first agenda item which I believe is the rezoning to commercial. A little clarity on that, I was actually the individual that requested the rescinding of 93 or was it 95-63, 93-65 the ordinance that changed that to commercial and there was a pretty extreme amount of conditions on the zoning change of zoning application at the time. Including the stop light and this is back in early 2000's. The time limit had expired on the property, or the rezoning application had expired and in order to get the subdivision to five (5) acres we needed to rescind the commercial. At the time that was CN-7.5 as was previously pointed out, which I believe is a slightly higher density than what Mr. Metzler is applying for now. That particular area as previously mentioned was had basically become a dump site for the town of Waimea. All the town when they cleaned it out and they widened the roads, all that material ended up on that land. It was a really, really a sad mess and I give John a lot of credit for investing the time and effort and resources and whatnot and really cleaning it up. I mean it was a 10 EXHIBIT A mess. There was light standards and asphalt and concrete and sidewalks and it was a mess and so I really respect what he did to clean that up. The second point I want to make, or I think is a good thing for what's happening with the commercial zoning up there, is that if Mr. Metzler was a greedy developer, he probably would have made it one lot. That would reduce his cost for all the infrastructure, all the subdivision and all the improvements that need to go in if it was just one big lot. They would sell it to who knows who from somewhere in the mainland and we may end up with a Big Box store there which Waimea doesn't need another Big Box store. I'm excited about the fact that it's 3 lots. It gives 3 different owners opportunities and hopefully local businesses have a chance to establish something and hang out their shingle and provide a service to the local community. With regards to the traffic. I think everyone here understands that commercial properties by themselves do not create cars. Okay, cars may go there, cars leave there but they don't create cars. I don't think they necessarily create any additional traffic going up and down Mamalahoa Highway and there may actually be some benefit to it in that as everyone here whose testified. That there it's a 30 mile an hour zone but as soon as you get past HPM heading east it's like people are speeding up. So perhaps having a couple extra driveways going onto the highway at that point. Like I said, the improvements, the center lane is already there. Perhaps a couple extra driveways on there may actually slow the traffic down a bit, at least get it down to below the speed limit at or below the speed limit. So, that would be my comments on the commercial property and so now if I can switch over onto the back 3 acres, I guess you could call it. So, yeah that was historically everyone's pretty aware of the history of that. So right now for me I will probably be either myself and the neighbor to the front of me will probably be the most directly impacted people in that it's my driveway. Okay. So, it's my, I own that parcel and so when I look at the highest and best use of the land and I think that's what we're all trying to do. As developments are going to happen here, how do we do it right and what is the highest and best use of that land. It's only 3 acres, you can't do a large local commercial farm. There's already 2 homes on it so that reduces the arable land size as well. There's a flood zone on it that reduces the developable area and I do a lot of gardening myself. I've probably got an acre that I grow a lot of different stuff on, and I would that a lot of a half an acre that's zoned Ag there's enough room for a house. There's enough room to park your car and there's enough room to get maybe a half dozen raised beds and a few fruit trees in there and you can actually do something on a scale that is manageable. And for most of us that live here in Hawaii, we work, we work full-time and so to be able to do a little bit farming on the side which a lot of folks really enjoy doing maybe they support themselves, support their neighbors. You can do that on a small scale. You can't do that on a large scale unless you do it full-time and full-time, I mean as previously mentioned most of the good arable land and Waimea— ROY: Thirty (30) seconds. LANGEVIN: 30 seconds, okay, thank you. So, most of the good arable land in Waimea, I think there's a shortage, there's a bigger shortage of farmers than there is farmland per 11 EXHIBIT A se and so in closing I'd just like to thank you guys for having the opportunity. I think the process is great. I wasn't really excited about the last version of this plan that came around. I'm a lot more excited about what I see now in the lower density and from my perspective 3 additional cars coming out of my driveway is not a huge impact and it's 3 cars that are closer to town versus 3 cars that are down in Lakeland— ROY: Time. LANGEVIN: — having to make the drive. Thank you very much for your time. DEFRANCO: I have a quick question. So, I just want to clarify. So you live right next to where this is, the Metzler's development and you share a driveway with the acreage that's been made smaller in the back, the half-acre parcels. I'm just trying to understand where you are. LANGEVIN: Okay, if you look at map of the project. DEFRANCO: Yeah. LANGEVIN: There's Mamalahoa Highway and then there's 2 flag-lots that are directly adjacent to the highway frontage— DEFRANCO: Yeah. LANGEVIN: — five-acre parcel. DEFRANCO: Yeah. LANGEVIN: Okay. One of those flag poles leads back down the originally Ishihara Farm towards— DEFRANCO: Okay. LANGEVIN: — Kahilu Street. DEFRANCO: Yeah. LANGEVIN: And that's our location, so. — DEFRANCO: And you're comfortable with the new proposed — LANGEVIN: Yeah, I mean currently there's only two homes on there now. DEFRANCO: Yeah. LANGEVIN: They've been there forever right and so with the current plan I believe there's a total of 5 half acre lots — 12 EXHIBIT A DEFRANCO: Right. LANGEVIN: — so, it's going to go from 2 homes to 5 homes. DEFRANCO: Yeah. LANGEVIN: Which is, that's not really a large development per se. DEFRANCO: Okay. LANGEVIN: Right. DEFRANCO: Do we have any other questions for him, Commissioners? Thank you so much. LANGEVIN: All right. Thank you very much for your time. DEFRANCO: Okay, so, that's going to conclude our public testimony for these. This agenda item ended at 10:14 a.m. Respectfully submitted, Melissa Dacayanan-Salvador Secretary to Boards and Commissions 13 EXHIBIT A