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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2010-12-16 TFOULKexhibitE LEEWARD PLANNING COMMISSION COUNTY OF HAWAI‘I HEARING TRANSCRIPT DECEMBER 16, 2010 WILLIAM C. FOULK (SMA 10-41) An advertised contested case hearing on the application of was called to order at 9:18 a.m. in the King Kamehameha's Kona Beach Hotel, Ballroom I, 75-5660 Palani Road, Kailua-Kona, Hawai‘i, with Chairman Frederic Housel presiding. COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Frederic Housel, Brandi Beaudet, Geraldine Giffin, Thomas Hickcox, Wayne Iokepa and Richard Nelson ABSENT AND EXCUSED: Lani Bowman STAFF PRESENT: Brandon Gonzalez (Deputy Corporation Counsel), Daryn Arai (Planning Program Manager) and Jeff Darrow (Staff Planner) And approximately 50 people from the public in attendance. APPLICANT: WILLIAM C. FOULK (SMA 10-41) Contested Case Hearing on the application for a Special Management Area Use Permit to allow the construction of a 16-unit, 4-story condominium building and related improvements. The property is located on the northwest (makai) side of Ali‘i Drive and on the north side of H rd , North Kona, Hawai‘i, TMK: 7-7-4:25. HOUSEL: Let me make an announcement, well, several actually. The purpose of this meeting this morning is to take public testimony on the William C. Foulk, SMA 10-41. And so if you would like to provide testimony, please sign up with the staff, with Noriko, and, so we can hear your testimony. If, you know, you’ve submitted written testimony, please don’t read it, please. We will definitely get a copy of that. Just give it to our staff. And if you would please summarize. In the essence of time we’d like to allow everyone three minutes to give their testimony, and so we’ll have opportunity for everyone to provide their testimony. So we can now proceed. The item that we’re going to cover today is applicant William C. Foulk,SMA 10-41. This is a contested case hearing on the application for a Special Management Area Use Permit to allow the construction of a 16-unit, 4-story condominium building and related improvements. So, I have four people so far signed up to testify. If you four could please come forward and have a seat at the table - Randy Clarke, Karen Newton, Monica Lockwood, and Curren Meyers. Are we missing one person? Okay, perhaps they’ll join us. Okay. Could I ask, if you could pick up the microphone, please, and raise your right hand? Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth on this matter now before the Leeward Planning Commission? TESTIFIERS: I do. HOUSEL: Thank you. I guess we’ll start on your far right. Would you give your name and address, and then you can -. 1 EXHIBIT E LOCKWOOD: Monica Lockwood, 76-6125 Plumeria in Kona. I pretty much just wanted to say my dad is an archaeologist for the museum in Northern Arizona. He has done it his entirely life. HOUSEL: If you could hold your mike a little closer, yeah. LOCKWOOD: Oh, sorry. My father is an archaeologist for the museum of Northern Arizona; and I grew up going on sites with him, and excavations, and what not. I’ve only been here about eight years and he has come to visit me twice. And during both of those times, he spent over half his vacation going and looking at the petroglyphs and the sites, you know, and just not tracking everything but just, you know, examining the cultural history that is here. And I have to say that that site right there where the bay is, he was blown away by what is there. And the potential to possibly lose the impact or, you know, the site, the impact, everything, is huge. I mean he was, he was pretty much devastated when I told him what they were doing, because he has such a connection to it. His specialty is Anasazi, Hopi and Navajo. So, you know, his specialty is obviously very different, but the cultural impact is still there. And it needs to be addressed, and it needs to be, you know, taken into account by you guys. You know, my husband surfs;Lyman’s is his favorite spot, ever. He tried to teach me to surf there – it didn’t work out very well. But our son surfs as well, and he’s only eight. And, you know, I want him to grow up knowing that he can ride his bike there and not have to see another condo. Or if he does see another condo that it’s at least built in a way that is responsible for the environment and for the cultural stuff that’s there. So please take that into consideration. HOUSEL: Okay. Thank you for your testimony. Would you like to -? Please state your name. NEWTON: Oh, I’m Karen Newton. HOUSEL: Okay. NEWTON: And my address is 77-6452 Ali‘i Drive. And I’m here to state the importance of preserving the integrity of Lyman’s Bay. I got a phone call, I was living in Colorado 20 years ago and my brother said I am to sign, or, or just moved into the most awesome place on earth, and it happened to be Lyman’s Bay. He rented the house, the small house on the north side there for 11 years. It is so phenomenal. When I saw the pictures of the proposed building, I was blown away. How could this even happen, a four-story building there in the spot where those small houses are; and it just screams Orange County to me. So I would like to see something that meshes with the environment, is respectful to Lyman’s Bay, respectful to the people on this island. And thank you. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. CLARKE: Good morning, my name is Randy Clarke. Good morning, Mr. Chairman and Members of the board. Thank you for the time that you guys have made for us. First of all, I had heard inklings of this maybe a couple of weeks ago. But the other week we had a cleanup at Lyman’s, and I came down and I assiste building, how far it was going into the reef, how it would impact the existing rockwalls and some of the gathering areas that have been there for centuries. And I was, you know, as a local Hawaiian, you know, you feel hurt and sad for this development, because I don’t think that it is being done in a respectful way, you know, to honor our ancestors, to honor the kanaka maolis today and the future generations. And so either it needs to be changed, or stopped, and done in a way that we’d do this. And, you know, I mean realistically, if you look up and down the coast, we have mega resorts that 2 EXHIBIT E have been built. They’ve had public hearings; and so many people in groups have come up and protested all of these, too. And yet the big mega resorts were built, and they’re still there. And so, hopefully, you know, at some point someone is going to have to say, you know what, no, this is enough, it has to stop already. Because, you know, aloha is about giving. But how much are we going to keep giving, and giving, and giving? I mean we lost so much already as native Hawaiians. And so I think it’s something that needs to be considered and, hopefully, you guys will hear the voice of the people and consider what they’re saying. Thank you very much. HOUSEL: Okay. Thank you for your testimony. Okay, if you’d like to return your seats, go ahead. Is Curren Meyers here? If you’d please come forward. If you’ll pick up the microphone and raise your right hand. I need to swear you in. Okay. Do you swear to tell the truth now before the Planning Commission on this matter? MEYERS: Yes, sir. HOUSEL: Thank you. Would you state your name and address. MEYERS: My name is Curren Meyers. My address is P.O. Box 373, Kealakekua, Hawai‘i 96750. HOUSEL: Okay, thank you. Would you like to give your testimony? MEYERS: Yes. I testify against this. I was here for the last, was that couple months ago, and I’m here again. And just short and simple –Just stop building already, save our spots. And I just testify against it. Thank you. HOUSEL: Okay. Thank you very much for your testimony. MEYERS: You’re welcome. HOUSEL: Okay. We have acouple more people that would like to testify. I’d like to ask you if you could come forward: Eric Eisenherdt and Corbett Roy. Okay, and another person, Gail, I’m sorry if I don’t get your name right. Is it Loofbourrow? Is that right? Is there a Gail? LOOFBOURROW: I’m Gail. HOUSEL: There she is. Okay, could Sam -. GONZALEZ: Keanaaina, Jr. HOUSEL: Keanaaina, Jr., please come -. GONZALEZ: Keanaaina. HOUSEL: Keanaaina, okay, please come forward. And Shellie Dill, would you like to come forward? Have a seat. Okay. We’ll proceed. Could you use the microphone and raise your right hand? Using the mike, pick up the microphone, please, and speak into it as you -. Do you swear to tell the truth now before the Leeward Planning Commission on this matter today? TESTIFIERS: Yes. 3 EXHIBIT E HOUSEL: Thank you, thank you. On the left side here, if you’d like to use the microphone so we could record it. Please state your name and address. On this side, yeah. DILL: Me? HOUSEL: You, right. DILL: Okay. All right, my name is Shellie Dill and I live at 74-5162 Puuokaliu Place in Queen Liliuokalani Subdivision. And what else? HOUSEL: Go ahead and give your testimony. DILL: Okay. I testify against this. I’ve lived on this island for 27 years and I’ve seen it go through a lot of changes. I’ve seen the hotels ruin the shorelines. I mean it’s just like it’s not even, where they come in,it makes it not pretty anymore. It’s almost like being on the mainland. And it’s, when you are in the water at Lyman’s and you’re looking at the island, it’s just so beautiful. And you just like feel God right there, you know, cause it’s just so gorgeous and you get to see like the pure, pure part without any like construction stuff everywhere and cement buildings. And it’s just really beautiful, and I just would like to protect that. So I would like to testify against them doing this at Lyman’s. I’ve seen them ruin a lot of the coastline from the hotels in the past 27 years. And at this time I really, my heart goes out. Lyman’s is a really fun place and I would hate to see it ruined by a bunch of condos, or whatever they’re planned on doing. That’s all, I think. HOUSEL: Okay, thank you for your testimony. Could you please state your name and address, and then go ahead and give your testimony. LOOFBOURROW: Certainly. Gail Loofbourrow, 73-1155 Oluolu, Kailua-Kona, in the islands. I’m here to address not having development, as a mom of a surfer, as a sister of a surfer and a family member who admires the grandchildren as they’re learning to surf. You addressed every issue on many different levels; and I applaud the fact that you do it and the difficult decisions you make with grace and intelligence. I’m asking you this time to address the issue, maybe for the first time, maybe not, with your heart. Surfing is the heart of Kona. It is important to us, it adds balance to everything else that is going. And we who have surfers or admire surfers consider it way up there in what the island is all about. It is so easy to chip away piece by piece by piece of things that are important. And you have to make those decisions, and I don’t know if I could do it in your place. But this time I’m asking you to please put the hearts of Kona above the dollar amount. I know we’re going to work the money out, it’s tough times. Each of us goes home and say, oh, my God, how are we going to do this, as you must do in your venue. But we need to keep our surfing spots. We need to keep the young men and women standing by the shoreline with their hands in their armpits that run with the water. It’s part of us and we need to keep it. And I hope you do your part in doing that. Thank you for this opportunity. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. LOOFBOURROW: You’re welcome. HOUSEL: Would you like to give your name and address, please. 4 EXHIBIT E ROY: Yes. My name is Corbett Roy. My address is 6799 Hawaii Kai Drive in Honolulu. The zip code is 96825. I’m here basically to testify against the development. There are many reasons why I feel that it shouldn’t be built, but I’m just mentioning one. According to the building plans, I believe there will be only 15 or 16 people enjoying the beautiful view of the surf, the sunset and everything else. Among our citizenry, the included, there will be this obstacle where you cannot enjoy the view and the surf. We have Ali‘i Drive, it’s completely blocked all the way down. This is one of the only open areas. Please, let’s try to preserve it, and that will be helpful. Now I thank you for allowing me to testify today. But if I understand itcorrectly, I just read the morning paper, that you have already made decisions -. COMMISSIONERS: No. ROY: And I’m glad for it. It seems to me like you have made certain decisions that will work out and I’m happy for that. I just happened to get a glimpse of it yesterday afternoon very late. I was not here to attend the early meetings but I saw what happened; and I’m grateful for it. And the Kanuha family has done a wonderful job of doing the cleanup work and maintaining it. We are direct descendents also of that ‘ohana down there. I, the Roy family, through our Hawaiian connection come from Kawei A Kanuha (phonetic), and she comes down all the way. Naluahine, our last certified one, who can certify all the genealogies in Kona, is my tutu. So I can tell you that we have ohana here. We are the that stayed behind to look after the ,and we want to continue that. Thank you very much. HOUSEL: Thank you very much for your testimony. To clarify what the Commission decided yesterday, this matter, actually the contested case hearing, which we intended to hold yesterday th afternoon and today, was continued for several reasons until February 17. And notice will be published notifying that meeting to be held, it’ll certainly probably likely to be here. So no formal decisions have been made yet by the Commission. So there is still a lot of the contested case hearing to be held before any, the Commission will make any decision. ROY: Thank you for explaining that. HOUSEL: So thank you very much for your testimony. ARAI: Mr. Chairman? HOUSEL: Yes. ARAI: I just want to clarify that the hearing was scheduled for February 16, 17, and 18, which is Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. HOUSEL: Okay. ARAI: And we did confirm that we do have room reservations here. th HOUSEL: Okay, so it will start on February 16, is that right? ARAI: Yes, 16, 17, 18. 5 EXHIBIT E HOUSEL: Okay, so February 16, 17, and 18, it will be continued until then. Thank you very much you’re your testimony. We have a couple more people to testify. Eric Eisenherdt, are you here? EISENHERDT: Yes. HOUSEL: Okay. And Sam Keaa -, Kean -. GONZALEZ: Sam Keanaaina, Jr. HOUSEL: Okay. If there’s anyone else who would like to testify today -. Okay, anyone who would like to testify, please come to our staff, Noriko, there and let her know you’d like to testify. Okay, so could the following people please come forward to testify: Theresa Fernandez, it looks like, Jeremy Jaentsch, Janet Hunter, Barbara Garcia and Marya Mann. If you would come forward, please. If you could please pick up a microphone, and if you could share that one, please. Okay. Could you please raise your right hand so I can swear you in? Do you plan, intend to tell the truth before this Planning Commission today on this matter? TESTIFIERS: Yes, I do. HOUSEL: Thank you. Okay, we’ll start, I guess, on your far right. Would you give you name and address? FERNANDEZ: My name is Theresa Fernandez and my address is 77-6261 , too, but to impress upon you the humanness of this all as well for the man who has acquired the land through loa Bay is great in its cultural significance. It has grown from that for us to enjoy as a place of surfing and fishing and canoeing, and everything that represents Hawai‘i families. And so I speak to you also for the Thresher Sharks that call that place home, for the spotted rays that frequent there, the native fishes. We have a very young reef. So we also don’t have well-established limu, but it’s trying. And in other areas where there have been development, we have had an influx of algae that has killed our marine plant life there, has caused a lot of the fish to be disseminated, the native fishes, and brought in other fish that, I guess we call them ‘ that they are not native to those areas. Also, I think that in effect that we are all human and we’re trying to go ahead and create systems and ways to appease people’s ownership. I, you know, I feel for the man who bought the land. It is unfortunate that he purchased it with the understanding that he would be able to do this. And I think under the, I think we’re all trying to work on that. And I thank the Commission for hearing us this day. A condo on the beach, do we really need another one? You know, you drive, you walk, you go down our Kona coast, and there are homes and there’sveryfew open space. Unfortunately, my sense is that this is not appropriate for that. We don’t need another condo. I hope that the Commission, the Council, the people of Hawai‘i will find a way to recompense this man, to give him back his money, to find him another place where he can actually do this that would be more appropriate. To have any more staph infections, any accidental sewage spills, you know, that are possible with homes or development of any kind anywhere would be unfortunate. And I’m hoping that this Commission would preserve that area and continue to preserve our ocean areas and our resources, our cultural areas. And I thank you for this time. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. Would you like to give your name and address, please? 6 EXHIBIT E GARCIA-BOWMAN: Aloha, my name is Barbara Garcia-Bowman. My address is 74-5041 Kealapua Street in Kailua. And I am here on behalf of a magazine I publish,KE OLA magazine; it’s the Big Island’s arts and culture magazine. And so as a business owner, I understand the needs of businesses and I understand capitalistic, you know, ideals and the need for development, or the pursuit of development. And I strongly oppose this development. I just feel that we have enough condos. There’s enough vacant condos, enough vacant real estate here in West Hawai‘i, and we don’t need more. And this is so disruptive. As Theresa so beautifully and eloquently stated it, we have enough development here. We don’t need to damage our coastline with more. So I don’t need to add more to that. But I just wanted to say on behalf of business owners here that enough is enough. We really don’t need more. So I really support the opposition to the development. Thank you. HOUSEL: Thank you. Thank you for your testimony. Would you like to proceed? MANN: Aloha. My name is Marya Mann. I’m a writer with Keola and a therapist in Kailua- Kona. Thank you very much for hearing the testimony here and really keeping an open mind about this. Because I do think that the decisions that are made today will affect not only tomorrow ornext week but many generations from now. What can anyone say that hasn’t been said about a 4-story the property developers really want to own some Kona condos, they should check the foreclosure listings, and they will find quite a few. They could easily get 16 seaside units already built for a fraction of the cost. And they would not need to invade the biological marine, social, historical, and cultural resources that are threatened by this project. and –I’m almost learning to pronounce them – which cradle layers of life and identity that make West Hawai‘i unique in all the world. The jaw-is being increasingly veiled by these large private projects that endanger the public coastline, the surf areas, and the sacred sites. Do we want to leave something pristine for our children and grandchildren? Do we want to protect the resources given to us for caretaking, or to squander this irreplaceable inheritance? Do we want our children to learn that previous societies living near the proposed condo site thought it important to create Keolon able to testify with some kind of knowledge about what you’re talking about devaluing here. So d this place for kupuna to share traditions and knowledge, honoring the area’s rose, a place where wisdom has passed for consecutive generations. And I trust that you will refuse this development request, that the wisdom of conservation be passed from us to future generations. As Native Americans say, we have not inherited the earth from our fathers and mothers, we are borrowing it from our children. Let’s consider the needs of seven generations down the road in the future. Do you think they’ll be saying, “Gee, I’m glad those old-timers built another condo complex?” I don’t think so. I think they might be saying, “Wow, they had such foresight. Mahalo nui l HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. Would you like to go ahead, please? JAENTSCH: Aloha, my name is Jeremy Ali‘i Jaentsch, 74-5518 Kaiwi Street, Kailua-Kona. And I’d just like to voice my opposition to, and second what everybody said here about, you know, you’ve got a 16 or however many people condo when how many people per day drive through 7 EXHIBIT E there, walk through there, try to enjoy it. And, also, that’s devaluing the property right there, a bunch of concrete on top of that beautiful spot that brings it down. And I hope through the meeting here, the one in couple months ago, ‘O‘oma, that the Land Use Commission can see that the heart of the people is against building everywhere and taking our places. Cause when they’re gone there’s nothing. And now people say they love Hawai‘i but they want to kill it, so it doesn’t really make sense, so if we can remember what they said. And if the building does continue, we just have to get people that will stop that eventually. And mahalo for your time. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. I’d like to make a note that I’ve received a petition signed by 45 people that says basically “I’ve seen horrendous growth on this island in the past ten years. We do not have the roads to support more condos or cars. We need bigger and better roads instead of wrecking the beaches. Conserve the beaches and land.” And it says on the top “Save Lyman’s Beach.” So this is representing working people in Kona. And so I’ll pass this on to the other Commissioners for their review. GONZALEZ: They got it already. HOUSEL: Oh, you did. Okay, you’ve got it already. Okay. Anyone else who came in late, if you’d like to testify, please sign up with Noriko. We have a few more people to testify. Rebecca Villegas, would you like to come forward? Did Eric Eisenherdt come up? And Sam -? PUBLIC: No. HOUSEL: Okay. And did we do Janet Hunter? GONZALEZ: She didn’t come up – but you called her name. HOUSEL: Okay, so is there anyone else who would like to testify today? GONZALEZ: We’ve got plenty more. HOUSEL: Oh, okay. We got a few more. Okay. Shannon Rudolph, would you like to come forward? And Diane Corcoran? Okay. GONZALEZ: Sam, is Sam Keanaaina Jr. still here? PUBLIC: No. HOUSEL: Okay. I guess we’ll proceed. Could you please, each of you, pick up a microphone? You can share that one, that’s fine. Okay, would you raise your right hand? Okay, do you swear or affirm to tell the truth on this matter now before the Leeward Planning Commission today? TESTIFIERS: I do. HOUSEL: Thank you. We’ll start on your far right. If you’d like to give your name and address. CORCORAN: Good morning. My name is Diane Corcoran and I live here in Kona. And I did testify yesterday, and I think I came on very angry, and I want to let you know right away none of that was aimed at you. I think I, because I was not talking to the people planning this development 8 EXHIBIT E and couldn’t express what I felt to them, you got to be the people to hear it. So I want to apologize, if I was in any way offensive to you. I am so against this project, so very against it. This is such a place of beauty as you, anyone here that has driven by it knows. You’ve seen it, yeah? Is there anyone here who hasn’t seen it sitting here before me? Okay, you don’t have to respond, I guess. Anyway, it’s too precious to waste. This is, I’m not here for anything selfish. I don’t own any land here in Hawai‘i, I don’t have any children here in Hawai‘i. I’m here to speak for future generations, for conservation of the planet. I’m old, I’ll be dead soon – so nothing in my pocket. It’s just my heart that brings me here, because this place is too beautiful not to love. So I come to share my love of the land. I thank you so much for listening. Thank you for your time. Mahalo. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. RUDOLPH: Aloha. Thank you for allowing me to add on to my testimony from yesterday. I just wanted to point out even in a down economy -. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but on Ali‘i Drive since they’ve opened the Road, traffic is backed up past Lunapule Road at least twice a day from the new traffic coming from the south on Ali‘i Drive, when the road is open. And 16 more cars may not seem like a lot, but you have to consider right now it’s backed up past Lunapule Road. When the economy gets better, that backup is going to go further south to go through town. And I think there’s so little community benefit from this project. For instance, it can be up to $10,000 a month rent; and this is not something that the community can afford. And I just think the benefits are so little for what we’re going to lose. Please don’t give them a variance for this, for the setback, please. Thank you. HOUSEL: Shannon, could I ask you to state your name again for the record. HOUSEL: Thank you. VILLEGAS: Aloha, my name is Rebecca Villegas and I live at 77-6639 Walua Road, Kailua-Kona, Hawai‘i. I’m currently the president of the Kohanaiki ‘Ohana and have the honor of working with that organization and the consortium of groups working together to create a park there. I’m here to speak today on three points. One from a scientific standpoint, it seems foolish to me to grant a variance on a piece of property to minimize shoreline setback when it has been scientifically and globally proven that sea level rise, it’s not about if it’s going to happen, it’s when it’s going to happen. And this piece of property will be directly affected. And who, and when and how, will be held financially responsible for the people that could eventually live in those properties. We’re already facing extremely high rates of insurance for homes on the water. And to make any sort of variances that allow for another piece of property to be compromised in this capacity for a development of this nature only exposes more humans to more risk; and the cycle continues. On a second note, I’m thankful, so very grateful that the State Land Use Commission recently upheld the Conservation zoning at ‘O‘oma. And the State Land Use Commission looked at the issues on our coastline and took into consideration the same issues that are being expressed today, that this is not the time and this is not the place, and that was not the piece of property, nor is this one, to make any concessions for variances. The third thing is whoever the gentleman is or the woman or the people that purchased this piece of property, I can’t feel sorry for them. They went in and did it with a pure and simple opportunity to 9 EXHIBIT E make some money, buy a piece of property that was an old beautiful historic home, turned it around, turned it into a condo, and cash in big. They gambled and they lost. And we shouldn’t have to carry the brunt or the responsibility of that. I encourage you please hold the current variance. It’s my understanding that the DLNR is going to be looking at extending the variance requirements for shoreline building. I encourage you to please uphold that variance and put a stop to this development. Aloha. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. ODEGAARD: Aloha . My name is Malulani Odegaard. I live at 77-116 La‘aloa Avenue. I’m a teacher, a Hawaiian language teacher at Kahakai Elementary School, also by profession a community designer and planner. And I have to say that I’m just really surprised that this is even being presented to the community. How does something like this even get, put upon the community? It is an affront to the culture. And, I mean, you can calculate the time that has been wasted and all of the response that has come up. I think that this has created a lot of distress for our community. And I think that until guidelines are adopted that either put a moratorium on building makai of Ali‘i Drive or provide better guidelines for presenting projects to the public. I think that you really ought to strongly consider a moratorium, because at this point I can’t see any way that anything like this would ever be acceptable to this community. So in general I think that you might want to consider some guidelines of tree line, consider dignity, and privacy of the neighbors. There are so many issues that are involved in this property that for me as a planner to see this happen it’s really an affront to my profession. And I think you ought to consider banning this architect or this planner from proposing future projects in this town. It’s really a waste of our time. Thank you. HOUSEL: Could I ask you to state your name and address please? We don’t have a card for you -. GONZALEZ: He did. HOUSEL: Oh, we do have one. GONZALEZ: He just jumped out of line. HOUSEL: Okay, okay. Thank you. Could you state your name, please? FEAR: Good morning, Jeff Fear, Big Island Waveriders Against Drugs, 73-4403 Kalaoa, Kona, Hawai‘i. I filled out a paper, he got it. HOUSEL: Okay, okay, thank you. Please go ahead. GONZALEZ: Oh, I mean, sorry, but the issue is people signed up and the Chair didn’t call you up. So that’s why we’re trying to find your name in the stack of papers, cause a lot of people signed up. So that’s all, thanks. FEAR: Okay. Keep going? HOUSEL: Yeah, please, please proceed. FEAR: Well, thank you for showing up. We’re voting against this, this project, because it’s our surf spot there. There’s too much traffic. We just got two crosswalks built that we were fighting 10 EXHIBIT E for for years. It’s just a dangerous place to build. They’re talking about digging an underground. It’s just not going to happen. Thank you for showing up. We’re totally against it. Kona doesn’t want it. HOUSEL: Thank you very much for your testimony. Okay, so would the following people please come forward to testify? Looks like Victoria Braden. Is that Jill Lee Reisery, sorry, Julie possibly? Rebecca Jones, Cynthia Smith, and Nick Sway, Sway, Selway maybe. Are any of those folks here that would like to testify? GONZALEZ: Was your name called? PONTES: Can you spell the last name of Rebecca? HOUSEL: Yes. GONZALEZ: It looks like Jones, but -. PONTES: Pontes. GONZALEZ: Oh. HOUSEL: Okay sorry. Yeah, would you like to come forward to testify? Sorry about that. GONZALEZ: But Victoria Braden looks kind of clear. So if your name is Victoria, raise your hand – you’ve won a prize. HOUSEL: Do we have a Victoria here? Okay. Do we have Jolie, Judy? Okay. Do we have a Nick and/or Cynthia? Okay. And we have a few more people to -. Iwalani Arakaki? Good. Joy Mills? And, Brandon, I’ll let you have that one. GONZALEZ: This is Kupuna Hannah Reeves. HOUSEL: Okay, very good. Thank you. GONZALEZ: And there’s one more. HOUSEL: Okay. Kevin Seiter. Okay, if you could please pick up one of the microphones. And please use the microphone. Okay, would you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear to tell the truth on this matter now before the Leeward Planning Commission today? TESTIFIERS: Yes, I do. HOUSEL: Okay, thank you. We’ll start on your far right. Would you like to give your name and address, and then give your testimony? PONTES: My name is Rebecca Pontes. My address is Kailua-Kona. I live up in the Kona Heights area right now. I’m here to protest against the building of the condo. I was born and raised down in that area long time ago, and what I mean long time ago, over three-quarter of a century, okay? My dad has taken care of that lot right there on the top of that hill, that old house. My dad built the wall 11 EXHIBIT E on the makai side, way back. And there’s lot of ponds there. We used to play there before. And my grandmother taught us a lot of things about there. There are some burial graves there yet. And I know lot of those places there, they’re biting back at the people, if you know what I mean, after they built. It’s like, it’s haunted. Okay? I don’t care what you do, it’s going to be haunted forever. But I’m against building that condo. If these developers have gone and looked around and see how many proposals we have here in Kona on the condos, time sharing, I think they should know better. GONZALEZ: Somebody is leaning on the light switch. PUBLIC: Haunted. PONTES: Yeah, it’s haunted, yeah. HOUSEL: I think, okay, I think that was a real person that did it, not a ghost. PONTES: See what I mean? You look all along Ali‘i Drive, lot of those places have gone out of business. Why? You know why. Okay. But here I am against building those condos there. I think we do have enough. And Ali‘i Drive is just packed with traffic. We don’t have the roads. When a tidal wave occurs, I don’t know what’s going to happen. They better look forward into this. All I’m saying is I’m against building this condo, right in that area, or any place on Ali‘i Drive. Thank you. HOUSEL: Thank you very much for your testimony. SEITER: Thank you for allowing me to speak. My name is Kevin Seiter. I live at 75-650 Mahi Iulani Place, Kailua-Kona. And I’m here on behalf of the West Hawaii Surfing Association. It’s a nonprofit corporation whose purpose is to preserve and protect the coastal assets –excuse me, I’ve had some bronchitis – of West Hawai‘i. I know you’ve heard all the reasons not to do this, and your purpose today, of course, is really very limited. So as much asI’d like to see moratoriums and so on, that’s not why I’m here to speak. Nobody, we aren’t opposed necessarily to coastline development, if it’s in the right place in the right manner. We aren’t opposed to people making a profit. That’s the nature of the beast in this country. We are opposed for all the reasons that you’ve heard to this project. But the thing I really want to emphasize is by saying no to this today you aren’t depriving the applicant of any money or property. You’re just saying back to the drawing board. And what this does, if you say no, is it provides many opportunities for use of this land consistent with other uses in the area, including what happened at Honl’s, Wai‘aha. And I had the pleasure of working with the County to make that a park with Wally Aniban and a lot of people. And that’s what it was; it was a really great joint effort of the private and public entities to put that together. That’s a possibility here. And if you say no today, it opens up that possibility. Because I know that there has already been some discussions from the Mayor’s office down, so to speak, about that possibility. So by saying no what we’re doing is giving everybody an opportunity to put this to the highest and best use – and that would be a public use. You know, anecdotally, when I worked with Wally who has since passed away, on Honl’s, the thing that bothered him about the condo so close to the shoreline was, he was asked during the contested case, “why are you doing this,” and he said, “because I don’t want the little kids to feel shame when they walk in the shadow of that condominium to get access to shoreline.” And, boy, I had chicken skin when I heard that. And I’ve sat through a lot of these hearings on this side of the table, so to speak. I know a lot of the staff 12 EXHIBIT E from 30 years that are doing this kind of work. And so I just ask you to think about the fact that, you know, you’re not depriving anybody of anything. What you’re doing is granting the community and the County an opportunity to put this to a better and higher use. Thank you very much. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. Would you like to go ahead? REEVES: My name is Kupuna Hannah Wahinemaikai o Kaahumanu Keliiulananiole o Kalama (Kane) Reeves, born and raised in Kona all my life, my parents and, go generation back. The reason why I’m back here again, I’d like to look at every one of you on the panel. I am of old Hawai‘i. And I want to tell you itwould be wonderful if you could get all of us, the living descendant, from the top of the down to the beach, we will have a better understanding, cause we’re talking about that place because we are a part of the old Hawai’i. I would like to advise all of you today, and to the audience, to everyone that is living in Kona and all over, I believe that this meeting that you’re having today would be one of the top wonderful experience on the four corner of the earth. I am of the four corner of the earth. The reason why I’m back here is I want you to open up the area, ine, because we are the direct living descendant, the kahuna line and the royalty line. If you are in doubt, and I’m looking at every one of you, I have proof and evidence who we are. And I am not ashamed because I know in my heart this is part of my job, is to take care of all of the sacred site, the trail, the mountain, the pu’u, the grave, the cave and the sacred walls that goes right around the island on every island. I am on six islands right now. I want you folks to know that it’s a wonderful thing to know that today I can speak even if just a short minute that I have. Please, I ask the panel today, and I have witness in the back there, I want you to walk with us at . Anybody in this group is trying to stop us from walking, better not. Believe me, I am letting everybody know to come home and walk on the trail of our ancestors that we are protecting old Hawai‘i today. Thank you very much for listening. My address is P.O. Box 844, Kailua-Kona, Hawai‘i. If you want to call me, you may call me, 990-7699, and I will be available for all of you. Mahalo plenty. HOUSEL: Thank you very much for your testimony. Would you like to state your name, please? ARAKAKI: Aloha. I’m Iwalani Arakaki. I flew in from Moloka‘i because I heard about this. I’m not too familiar with what is happening, but I will be as soon as I find the families. I’m against this – and I am one of the descendants of –I’m against it. I’m here to speak for my family. We don’t want that. And as she just got through saying, it is so. Mahalo. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. MILLS: Aloha ‘auina,, and mahalo. ‘O wau ko‘u inoa Joy Keahipuakauikewekiu Mills. P.O. Box 2473, Kailua-Kona, Hawai‘i. I am so thankful – mahalo to you. I know it’s a hard long day for you but we appreciate that you have allowed for public testimony. I actually had two testimonies here. We have teachers, educators,that are not able to be with us today, and they submitted testimony. And I’d like to read it for you today. Mahalo. First is Carol and Scott Fuller, P.O. Box 462326, Kailua-Kona. “We are in opposition of the condo development that is proposed for Ali‘i Drive at Lyman’s Bay. It is an affront to the people of Kona in all respects. Sincerely, Carol and Scott Fuller.” 13 EXHIBIT E Second is “I, Janet A. Hunter, 76-228 Oma Place, Kailua-Kona, Hawai‘i, as a former 15-year police detective, four-year school teacher, and an avid surfer,” –she is an instructor at ke Kahakai Elementary –a Bay for a long time and have been helping clean and educate others on the need to preserve nature and historical/cultural sites. This location is perfect for the education of others on a beautiful culture of Hawai‘i. Please don’t let greed prevail in taking a single family home and lot and turn it into a 20-to-30 family’s location. This would congest the Ali‘i street with more cars and people who usually add more trash and pollution. Thank you very much.” In addition to that, you know, I was so blessed that these ladies have helped us out. They ran around, got signatures, and encouraged this wonderful turnout. I want to say mahalo to everyone for coming out here and for the last couple days for everyone’s support, just this show of the community and every day everybody saying you’re doing jobs, the keiki, “Aunty, good job.” It’s hard, it’s a tough fight. It’s a long battle but it’s worth it. The land is valuable, and you know that. And you know that. And we appreciate you so much for doing this and letting the people speak. Mahalo from my ancestors. Mahalo. And I’d just like to say this simple prayer that my kumu taught me, Aloha Mai Ea Ea Ike Pono ola mau Loa Uwehe E Ha‘awi Lokomaika‘i Loa‘a Mai Lokomaika‘i. And we all say mahalo ke Akua, and from kua to us, we say aloha. Mahalo. HOUSEL: Thank you. While we’re finding the names of the other testifiers, I’d like to, before everybody slips away, thank you all for your public testimony. That’s very important. The Commission takes your testimony very seriously, so we really appreciate your coming out and making the time and the effort to give your testimony. It’s very important. Thank you. Could the following people please come forward – Fred Fitzgerald, David Haeo and Dirk Harriman? GONZALEZ: David Ahlo. HOUSEL: Oh, itlooks like an “e.” GONZALEZ: I think it’s an “l.” HOUSEL: Okay. Is it Ahlo? Sorry. There we are. Okay, could you please use the microphone and raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the truth on this matter now before the Leeward Planning Commission today? TESTIFIERS: Yes. HOUSEL: Thank you. We’ll start on your far right. If you’d like to give your name and address, please. AHLO: My name is David Ahlo. I’m actually from California. I was born and raised in Kona. And I would just like to say, because from what I heard –this was going all over the internet – and when I found out about the building of Lyman’s, it kind of hit me pretty hard because I was born and raised there, right across the street from it,my whole life. I was born traditionally by my dad. He used to teach for Hale O Ponopono. And a lot of the things he fought for, that’s the same reason why I’m here. I would hate to see that place being built. 14 EXHIBIT E That’s a lot of things, you know, when I have children I would like to take them and teach them the traditional Hawaiian way, the respect of what we have here now. I live in California. It’s such a big city compared to here. And I don’t want to see that here, either. That will take away the culture that we live for. That new building taking away land is taking away my heart, same with every other generation to come. I just hope it doesn’t go that way. I mean I’ve seen buildings come, go. Before Bali Kai there was no Bali Kai. I’ve seen that come, seeing businesses come and go, buildings stay up for years; and it’s just time-consuming, money wasted when we could personally use it for agriculture, or any other personal reasons for Hawaiian culture. I thank you guys for being here, listening to our testimonies. Thank you very much. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. HARRIMAN: My name is Dirk Harriman. I live at 77-6311 Ali‘i Drive, Kailua-Kona. I live directly across from the, almost directly across from the proposed condo unit, and I’m vehemently opposed to it. I dive out in the front there all the time, especially I like to dive right in front of where the condo is to be built. There is so much sea life that’s right there. It’s the richest part of the whole bay as far as when you go out there to dive to see stuff. There are families of turtles that live out there, and it’s just full of fish, it’s full of life. It’s also an area where fresh water feeds into the water, into the ocean there. And you can taste it when you swim through there; it’s less salty when you go by there, and you can actually taste the fresh water that comes out. If you dig into that lava rock there, there’s no doubt that I have, that you will get into that fresh water feed and it’ll contaminate that area. So, you know, the idea of digging into that lava is, environmentally, is a crime. The second point that I would like to address is, you know, the proposed Lako extension which is supposed to come out right across the street from where the project is, you know, with the 16 condo units that are in there, the traffic from that, plus Lako extension intersection right there and, you know, the potential for traffic during tsunami evacuation, all that kind of stuff, will create a much bigger problem. So that’s just the other point I’d like to make. And other than that, I’m just, I’m, say I’m opposed to this. Thank you. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. FITZGERALD: Good morning. My name is Fred Fitzgerald. I’m a resident of Death Peak, 17 miles north of Monument in rural eastern Oregon. My wife and I have been visitors to the Kona Coast since 1976. To say development has been astronomical since the early eighties would be an understatement. I feel further development of the Kona Coast between Kailua and Keauhou would be detrimental to the lifestyles of both residents and visitors. The Big Island does not need another Honolulu. Thank you. HOUSEL: Thank you very much. Is there any – if you’d like to return in your seats, please go ahead – is there anyone else who would like to give testimony today? For the record, I have a letter here from a Nikolaus Koenig regarding Lyman’s. And I won’t read the whole thing but it’s, I’ll just read the first sentence, ”I would like to take this opportunity today to testify in opposition to the ’s).” And there’s some, a lot of information here, but I won’t take the time to read it all today. So, thank you. 15 EXHIBIT E If there is no one else who would like to testify, then we will conclude this hearing. Would you like to come forward? WONDRIES: Sure. My name is Parker Wondries -. HOUSEL: Before you start -. WONDRIES: Yeah. HOUSEL: Please use the microphone and raise your right hand. If you’ll pick up the microphone, so we can get it on the record here. Okay, do you swear to tell the truth on this matter now before the Leeward Planning Commission today? TESTIFIERS: I do. HOUSEL: Thank you. Okay, if you’d like to proceed. Would you give your name and address, please? WONDRIES: Parker Wondries, 76-6220 Mikilana Street. I just feel that there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of buildings already on the coast. There’s plenty of land to put condos for housing. I just don’t see the need for it. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. WHITE: Heidi White. I’m a realtor in town. I’ve been on the Big Island for over 40 years, and I’m watching my grandchildren grow up here now. I specialize in oceanfront. I’ve testified here every day we’ve had a hearing, I think five times now. But it just has to be heard over and over. You know, I specialize in oceanfront. I surf almost everyday and most of the time in front of, well, when the waves are small, in front of the Kona Bali Kai. Many days there is no one staying there. Right now there are six units occupied out of, there’s over a hundred units there. I also dive in front of the property because it is so beautiful. And my whole goal to stop this was because the bay is so incredibly beautiful, underwater is unreal. And I could go and on about that. But now I’m learning about the archaeological impact. This was the capital of the Hawaiian Islands in ancient times. That is part of all of that archaeological that has blown my mind to learn about this from all my friends. And I just think this cannot happen. Anything more than a house there -. Of course, my dreams would be a cultural center there. But everyone has to convince you that this has to stop. We cannot allow it. And I want it for the children, for the tourists, for the people. We all enjoy that stretch of Ali‘i Drive. We pull up, we take a deep breath, shake off the busy world, you know. And it is the last little bit. We don’t want to turn it into Oahu. We want to take that area and promote the history of all of that incredible archaeological that is there. And I just hope you all make the right decision. And thank you very much. Aloha. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. Could I ask the previous, could you ask, if we could get your address. PUBLIC: (Inaudible). HOUSEL: No, no. Nicholas, is that right? 16 EXHIBIT E GONZALEZ: No. PARKER: Parker, Parker, 76 -. HOUSEL: Yeah, if you could give us your address again so we have a record of it. Thank you. PARKER: My address is 76-6220 Mikilana Street, Kailua-Kona. HOUSEL: Thank you very much. Okay, we have one more person who would like to speak. Is Judy Volquardsen, here? All right. Thank you. Okay, yeah, please use the microphone and raise your right hand. And would you like to give testimony today also? ROY: Yes. HOUSEL: Okay, please use the microphone and raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the truth on this matter now before the Leeward Planning Commission today? TESTIFIERS: I do. HOUSEL: Thank you. Okay, if you’d like to proceed with your name and address. VOLQUARDSEN: My name is Judy Volquardsen. I live at 76-6269 Plumeria Road here in Kailua. And I’m concerned about several things. I can’t address the cultural because,as the lady said yesterday, I’m an invasive species. But I am concerned about some of the public safety issues with this structure. I’m concerned about people, again, being able to get out on Ali‘i Drive in case of some kind of problem. Like, I know people who live on, lived on Plumeria Road who had to move because they could not get out of their driveway when the traffic was heavy. And I could see this being, Ali‘i Drive is getting like that now where to get out is really difficult. I’m also concerned, I think that coral reefs and natural vegetation help a lot with mitigating storms, tsunamis, hurricanes. And we live in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, and that is going to happen. Hilo learned - they had two bad tsunamis and structures were gone, and so then they made a park out of that area that used to have big structures. I know of one condo that’s down, not very far from this where the structure is going to be put, where the second story they had to take out the lanai because rocks the size of like suit cases were getting thrown up onto the lanai when we had the big surf or storm surge. I hate to see like a 4-story building on Ali‘i Drive. It’s just, there’s plenty of room mauka, there’s plenty of room to put these kind of, you know, buildings in mauka. You know, the tsunami in the Indian Ocean, the places where they had lots of coral reef, where they had lots of natural vegetation, didn’t have that kind of damage where structures had been put in, where it’s just asphalt and cement to mitigate the weather that we have here. So that is my main concern. HOUSEL: Thank you very much for your testimony. Ms. Roy, would you like to, please state your name and address, please. ROY: Thank you. Mikahala Roy, PO Box 596, Kailua-Kona, Hawai‘i. I’m kahu of Ahu‘ena Heiau and I’m a member of Ka Ohana O Kaluaokalani. I’m also vested as a witness to Mr. Olson’s case; but I was told that this will not be proceeded upon today. So I will make testimony today, use of the three minutes that we’re given, and state that we absolutely -. I’m thankful for Aunty Iwalani 17 EXHIBIT E Arakaki’s coming all the way from Moloka‘i for this hearing. The ‘ohana of this coastline, pretty much all of us descendants of Kona, have lineage here. I’m not only a lineal for Kamakahonu, I can prove linealship, lineal descendancy, along this coast including as being a descendant of and this area. There are so many ‘ohana. And this is our fervent prayer that the ‘ohana come to be united in the education of this area to the world; and this would be our greatest joy to have this happen. We are against, I am against this application and will hope that you will deny it for many reasons. And so I look forward to participating in the on-going public hearing. Should we not be called as witnesses, this would be a concern for me. At that point I would rather go back to Ka Ohana O Kaluaokalani and ask if they would like to file for intervenorship, as intevenors, as well, because they have been here as long as all of the ‘ohana that have backed up all of the people who have supported this place. My testimony today would have been on the vastness of Kaluaokalani, translated in one way meaning the second heaven - t gave ceremony for this incredibly important large area that includes some, at least four ahupua‘a. This is why you have the incidence of heiau up into the areas that are known as Plumeria Road into Kilohana, Komohana, and now into Pualani. This is why you have heiau there. This is Kaluaokalani. This is why we are Ka Ohana O Kaluaokalani. Mahalo. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. We have a couple more people who would like to testify. Could Lori -. GONZALEZ: Kunewa or Ku -. KUNEWA: Kunewa. GONZALEZ: Kunewa she said. HOUSEL: Kanuha, okay. KUNEWA: Kunewa HOUSEL: Okay. And Kalani Nakoa. Okay, if you could please have a seat. If you could use the microphone, pick up the microphone, please, and raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the truth on this matter now before the Leeward Planning Commission today? TESTIFIERS: I do. HOUSEL: Thank you. Okay, if you’d like to proceed on your far left there, go ahead. Yeah, you, sorry. KUNEWA: My name is Lori Kunewa. I live at 75-6081 Ali‘i Drive in Kailua-Kona. And I am opposed to this. I think the community has reached out and shown their, you know, opened their hearts and, in opposition to this. And I’m sure the person or persons who bought the property are aware of the community’s concerns and yet have not backed down; they are so willing to go ahead with their proposal to build there. I think that shows they have a great lack of respect for the people of this community and for this land, and I can’t understand why they should be granted special privileges and allowed to build there. And I’m hoping you would agree with that and stop them from developing. Thank you. 18 EXHIBIT E HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. Please -. NAKOA: Aloha. HOUSEL: Yeah, please state your name and address. NAKOA: My name is Walter mother is Kilauea Marciel, her mother is Cecelia Trask, her mother is Anakaili Travis, her mother a. And by way of a brief background – I want to be brief this morning – I lived in the house that is going to be demolitioned for the development in question. I’m here to speak in opposition of this development. A couple of things that I hope the Land Commission (sic), the distinguished members of the Land Commission (sic), will consider. I am very intimate with that stretch of coastline, having lived there and surfed there for about the last 30 years. There is a great deal of fresh water upwelling that occurs on that point. I think that pounding into the ground over there is going to disturb that upwelling. I am hoping that you folks will see your way clear to make sure that there is a very thorough investigation in terms of the impact on the ecology of that area. During the time that I lived there we became very, very friendly with five turtles. They were resident turtles on that point. And we were so intimate with these sea creatures that we actually named them. And they were so tamed that we could feed them by hand. The limu that was too high above the tideline there, we used to pick and hold in the water like so and they would come right up to you and take it out of your hand. These turtles were living there daily. I was a lot younger then and had longer hair, jumped in the water, and the buggers would come over and try to eat your hair. Okay, so the three things I’m imploring you folks to consider when you make this very, very important decision, are once again, how it’s going to impact the fresh water upwelling, the animals in the area, the protected species, and, finally, the proximity to the cultural, religious and historic HOUSEL: Thank you very much for your testimony. Is there anyone else who would like to give testimony today? We want to give everybody an opportunity. If you’d like to come forward, please. Could you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear to tell the truth on this matter now before the Leeward Planning Commission today? P. HOLUM: I do. HOUSEL: Could you state your name and address, please. P. HOLUM: It’s Patricia Holum, 75-5660 Kopiko Street, Kailua-Kona. I live here in Kona. I’ve been here for the past year and a half, and have been to this island since the early seventies every year, and live not too far from that location. My concern not only is the fresh water upwelling that he was talking about, but also – I’ll hold this (microphone) a little further away – the impact of when we have the rains. If you grant that variance, there’s going to be a lot of concrete, a lot of space that will not be able to absorb the water; so that’s all going to run right into the ocean, which will also ecologically affect all the animal life that is in that area. Not to mention, you know, with the extra vehicles that will be parking there when they have guests – I would imagine those type of condos they probably have a lot of parties – alot of oil leakage from the vehicles that would also be 19 EXHIBIT E running off into the ocean. And so my concern is mainly ecological, what that’s going to do in the water runoff and storms that we may have. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. And I hope that you will not grant the variance for this because that is a lot of concrete with no place for the water to go, except into the ocean. HOUSEL: Thank you very much for your testimony. Is there anyone else who would like to give testimony today? Okay, well, if -. Would you like to come forward, please? Could you raise your right hand? Okay. Do you swear to tell the truth now before the Leeward Planning Commission today on this matter? W. HOLUM: I do. HOUSEL: Thank you. W. HOLUM: My name is Wayne Holum. I’m, 75-5660 Kopiko Street, Kailua-Kona. I’ve lived here about a year and a half. First time I came to the Big Island was in the 1990’s. And the energy here and the people here, the aloha spirit here, are the most positive I’ve seen anywhere on the earth; and I’ve lived around the world in the United States Air Force and all over the mainland. And my wife and I have chosen this as our only home. And driving along Ali‘i Drive to our home is just the most beautiful place on earth. And the coastline, the marine life, everything there, we treasure that very much, and we would like to see that preserved. So I’m in opposition to this condominium project, especially having something that would block the view that much from the highway. And as everyone has testified here about the impact on the marine life on the water, just everything it would do to the coast, I want to state my opposition to this project. Because I love this island, and the aloha here, and the people here, and support not having this done. Thank you for your time. HOUSEL: Thank you for your testimony. May I swear you in? Do you swear to tell the truth now before the Leeward Planning Commission today? MATSUSHIMA: Yes. HOUSEL: Thank you. Would you state your name and address, please? MATSUSHIMA: It’s Brandt Matsushima, again; I testified yesterday. I just, I was hearing the things that go on and on – it’s kind of getting repetitive already. And I just want to add a few things as in, one, yes, I’ve objected the building of it, of course, as of my testimony of yesterday, that it should be developed for the right reasons, again, for educational purpose, for the future of the kids, the keikis, that are on-coming generation. And, also, I would like to say to Cory, you’re my buddy and all, and then I know everybody is bashing you. But ultimately this guy is a really nice guy,so I want to stand up and bat for him, too. It’s like he is a nice guy; he’s just doing his job. Just to remind everybody, please don’t ill-treat him. And for the committee board members, thank you for taking the time out of the day to just listen to everybody’s feelings and the reasons why not to develop on this piece of property, once again. And thank you for your time. HOUSEL: Thank you very much for your testimony. Is there anyone else who would like to give testimony today? Okay, if we don’t have anyone, do we have a motion to close the public hearing? GIFFIN: Mr. Chairman, I so move that the public testimony segment be closed. 20 EXHIBIT E HOUSEL: Okay. Do we have a second? BEAUDET: Second. HOUSEL: Okay, seconded by Brandi. Okay, all in favor of closing public -? COMMISSIONERS: Aye. HOUSEL: Aye. Opposed? Okay, the public hearing is now closed. The discussion ended at 10:40 a.m. Respectfully submitted, Noriko Sauer, Secretary Leeward Planning Commission 21 EXHIBIT E