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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2013-06-17 Game Management Advisory Commission MinutesHawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Game Management Advisory Commission County of Hawaii Minutes Via Video Conference (Hilo-Kona) Meeting Date: June 17, 2013 Time: 6:30 p.m. Place: Hawaii County Building Puna Conference Room 25 Aupuni St., Suite 1501 Hilo HI 96720 West Hawaii Civic Center Council Conference Room, Bldg A 74-5044 Ane Keohokalole Hwy. Kailua-Kona HI 96740 CALL TO ORDER: At 6:30pm by Chair Anthony “Tony” Sylvester. Quorum established. ROLL CALL: Chair Sylvester asked members to introduce themselves and state their district. Dwayne “Ike” Yoshina, District 2 Paul Bueltmann, District 4 Willie-Joe Camara, District 1 Anthony Sylvester, District 3 Tom Lodge, District 5 Mark Bartell, District 8 Rob White, District 7 Cleon Bailey, District 9 ALSO PRESENT : Bobby Command, Mayor’s Executive Assistant Bill Brilhante, Deputy Corporation Counsel Barbara Kossow, Commission Secretary GUESTS: Palikapu Dedman, Kerri Marks, Steve Hurt, Glen Higashima, Steve Araujo, Laura Camara, Terri L. Napeahi, Ivan Gomes, Manuia (Hale Paa Kaua), Joseph Gosselin, John Griffiths, Mel Dean, James Kuniyoshi, Donn Yanagisawa, Jason Imamura, Kelly Muranaka, Kalani DeCoito and Marni Herkes. . APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF April 15, 2013 and May 13, 2013: 1 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Chair Sylvester: OK. Approval of the minutes. The minutes have been distributed to you. Are there any corrections? W. Camara: Page 36 regarding the permits for the salvage. Should be 15 not 150 permits. Chair Sylvester: OK. Barbara did you get that? B. Kossow: Which minutes is this? April or May? Chair Sylvester: It’s May… T. Lodge: It’s supposed to be 15. Fifteen. B. Kossow: Fifteen, one-five… Got it. Chair Sylvester: Any corrections? People, fifteen got it? OK. No corrections. I’d like to treat any corrections as amendments to the implied main motion and approving of the minutes. If there’s no further corrections, the minutes are approved as corrected. OK. I guess [unclear] consent that the minutes are approved as distributed and corrected. [April and May]. T. Lodge: So moved... D. Yoshina: Seconded. Chair Sylvester: Thank you. Moved and seconded. STATEMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS: Chair Sylvester: OK, now. Public testimony on agenda items… Please limit testimony to agenda items. ?: [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: [Unclear] ?: Was moved and seconded. [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: All in favor? Group: Aye, aye, aye… Chair Sylvester: Opposed? [Pause] None… 2 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 B. Command: Chairman? [Unclear] point of order – for the Commissioners – when you talk – as much as possible please just introduce yourself for Barbara’s report. Chair Sylvester: OK… B. Command: Thank you. Chair Sylvester: OK. No more testimony on agenda items. Please limit testimony to agenda items only. If you wish to speak to the Commission [unclear] concerns or make suggestions – please do so in writing – [unclear] request at the next available meeting. Direct any testimony toward the Chairman please. Thank you. OK. Anyone else who wants to be on. I have Palikapu Dedman. P. Dedman: [Unclear] Kinda got [unclear] stuff. Thank you. Anyway, I just wanted to ask – [unclear] you guys familiar with it? [Unclear] on one part – cause they deal with – who looks at the hunting subsistence – the traditional practices and cultural gathering rights in this commission – and how do you go about looking for someone with that expertise when you address [unclear]. Since its right here – here plainly part of your by-laws or the law of this bill – I just asking a question. And an opportunity later on to be on the agenda for more proposed issues that the hunters and everybody gonna organize to come up with a priority list on what we feel mauka to makai should be some things that should be addressed by this Commission. So, I’d just like to give a heads up – to get it up so they come on the agenda again with a more fine tuned priority list on all these – island wide – asking them to bring a priority from one to five and then we’ll all put it together and see what the priorities would be and we’d leave that with you as part of your goals at these – the hunters on this island would like you to accomplish even if it’s part of doing government – making new rules – or even if it’s to get on the agenda on another chapter or charter on the voting ballot – to make Commission changes – I mean we should get more strong about where we’re going and the first question I go back to – who does that corporate counsel – who usually sits on this Advisory Commission that deals with this language that’s in this Commission that deals with the Hawaiians – because I don’t see a Hawaiian voice in this whole Commission, and yet, it talks about traditional and 3 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 customary cultural gathering rights – so how do you address them? B. Brilhante: Look, you know, unfortunately, in the public comment section – we don’t – you know there really isn’t a dialogue back and forth. If you want this item agendized for a future meeting…. P. Dedman: Sure. B. Brilhante: ….and then you want some discussion… P. Dedman: Yes. B. Brilhante: ….and that way everybody from the public can come in …there really isn’t a dialogue going back and forth… P. Dedman: Thank you. B. Brilhante: ….the message to the Chair and I’m sure they’ll put it on the agenda – then everybody can give their, you know, input as to, you know, I’m not saying [unclear] what you’re saying – you may have a legitimate point… P. Dedman: I may?! I think I do! I mean its right here in your council advisory…and I’m just asking – what decisions have been made currently that addresses this – or has it even been addressed? You’re just making decisions without looking at this? B. Brilhante: You know, quite honestly I don’t know what’s transpired with the Commission, but I will tell you this – that’s a real strong concern of yours – and… P. Dedman: It’s the language of this [unclear]… B. Brilhante: ….it needs to be discussed. P. Dedman: It should be – the strength – I mean the language that you should understand… B. Brilhante: Right. P. Dedman: ….not me! ?: Well… 4 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 P. Dedman: You should be defending the language in this Commission! B. Brilhante: Quite honestly, what the Commission is tasked with is specified in that document – and as a body – I’m sure – you know – they’re more than happy to discuss that item – and, you know, they’re… P. Dedman: I think it’s…. B. Brilhante: ….required to discuss that item… P. Dedman: ….I think it’s more than happy… B. Brilhante: ….but what I’m saying is – now is not the time. You know, there’s an appropriate time… P. Dedman: OK. B. Brilhante: ….to discuss a particular issue – what I’m recommending to you is, you know, we have that information – we’ll request that it gets agendized – and then it gets on the agenda… P. Dedman: Um-hum. B. Brilhante: ….and it becomes an official topic area. Right now, when you talk about it all you want – but it doesn’t mean anything – if you and I talk about it – it won’t mean - there’s no record… P. Dedman: Yeah… B. Brilhante: ….it won’t hold up, you know, legally, so, in order for it to hold up legally – what I’m telling you is you have to get it on the agenda. We’ll put it on the agenda – maybe it’s the next meeting – maybe it’s, you know, as soon as – we’ll touch base – and then that item: there’s an official discussion regarding that item? P. Dedman: And how do you make an “official” decision without this being protected or looked at – at present time? ?: Put it in writing… ?: Yeah. 5 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 ?: Huh? ?: Put it in writing… P. Dedman: It’s right here! What are you gonna write? I mean… Group: [Discussion] P. Dedman: ….the protection I’m talking about is right here in this… ….Commission [unclear]. So, why do there have to be questions about something that’s clearly stated right here – that you have to protect – and it gives advice on how to protect traditional and cultural gathering rights, which I can see the Board that there’s no Hawaiian koko here – that is a hard way of understanding gathering rights from a Hawaiian perspective – which is a State statute. It’s not a made up things – it’s Article 12, Section 7….it’s in the Constitution. B. Brilhante: I’m not saying - what you’re saying is not true or not accurate or not legal – I’m not making any opinion as to, you know, the veracity of your statements – all I’m saying is – unfortunately – now – legally – now is not the time we can discuss it. It’s a legitimate issue, P. Dedman: OK. B. Brilhante: It’s a strong issue – but it just has to get agendized. P. Dedman: OK. B. Brilhante: And then we put it on the agenda and then you know what? Let’s have at it. And we can, you know, dissect that thing – inside out [unclear]… P. Dedman: Just one more question. If there’s a decision being made currently – that conflicts with what I’m saying – and without it being agendized – then you’re just asking for one litigation…or what or what are you asking? B. Brilhante: I guess what I’d recommend is - if you see an item here on the agenda – and you [unclear] a decision that’s being made without following the specific, you know… P. Dedman: Um-hum… 6 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 B. Brilhante: ….course of action or specific [unclear] jurisdiction – that the [unclear] statute provides for this Commission – then now’s your time to bring that up. Actually, now’s the time to say, oh, you know – look at Item # 4.1 – you guys saying you guys going to do this. But did you really take a look at the area of the cultural gathering rights that you just brought up. P. Dedman: Excuse me, do you mean I have to come in every time there’s cultural gathering issues to address – or why isn’t it part of the law that you’re supposed to uphold – not for me to keep repeating something that you’re supposed to do your homework at – and something that you’re supposed to approve already! B. Brilhante: But, I really, I really don’t know – if you have like a specific topic area that you have… P. Dedman: Only the gathering rights – to look at that and the protection of those things – and also to protect the resource that are gathered – not to have it eradicated or whatever without looking at my traditional practice. B. Brilhante: Um-hum. P. Dedman: And the language of what is appropriate as DLNR’s gathering rights or will that now become a conflict of hunting because the language changed to criminal by transporting something that is traditional for a Hawaiian. How you look at that? B. Brilhante: This is what I recommend. I recommend that this item gets agendized – when the item is agendized – what I’d recommend is that you bring specific examples of areas that this Commission – has conducted that may have [unclear] those criteria or elements or components were not satisfactorily, you know, I guess, not considered. And that’s how dialogue starts. You know, it’s a process, it’s a learning process for everybody and you bring your concerns and those concerns get discussed when we agendize the item and that’s how everybody can learn. P. Dedman: So, there’s an opportunity for you to put me on the agenda for us to address this issue? ?: Yeah. 7 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 P. Dedman: OK. B. Brilhante: Nobody’s trying to quiet you or tell you – no, you’re wrong – nobody’s saying that… P. Dedman: No, no. I'm just saying that I see something here that pertains to me but it’s not being addressed. B. Brilhante: OK. And I think it’s legitimate and I think the Chair… P. Dedman: And as an attorney – it is legitimate – I mean that’s a State statute. [Unclear] it’s before you… B. Brilhante: I have no doubt, I’m sure it is, yeah. P. Dedman: Thank you. B. Brilhante: So, we’re not saying, you know, nothing about it – we’re just saying we’ll take care of it. Chair Sylvester: OK. I have several comments – our Advisory Commission is in its infancy and we appreciate your concerns, Palikapu, and we would like you to address these issues like you stated in writing – so that we can agendize the item and then, as such, we look forward to hearing what issues you are currently working on that we might help you with also. P. Dedman: Thank you. Chair Sylvester: Cause that way we, I mean, we all want to move forward, yeah? P. Dedman: Yeah.. Chair Sylvester: And if we don’t know – we need help to – it’s just that the field is so broad and everything – so, you know, if you guys have specific area, specific topic about the gathering – that we can move through the County Council – pass certain things – or whatever approach you want – we’d be glad to work with that. Absolutely. P. Dedman: Thank you. Chair Sylvester: Thank you. B. Command: Point of Order Mr. Chairman? 8 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Chair Sylvester: Yes? B. Command: For Kona – can you put your mic on mute – we can hear your comments. [Chuckles] B. Kossow: Um, Chair, we have Rob White who has joined us [unclear]. Chair Sylvester: [Unclear] Too early. [Unclear] Go ahead. B. Kossow: Rob is here now. Rob White. Chair Sylvester: Oh, OK. Thank you. B. Command: [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: Is there anyone there to testify? B. Kossow: Marni Herkes… Do you want to testify? M. Herkes: No… B. Kossow. No, none. B. Command: OK. Great… Chair Sylvester: OK. Thank you. [Unclear] REPORTS OF SPECIAL COMMITTEES : 1. CONGRESSIONAL SPORTSMEN CAUCUS/FOUNDATION Chair Sylvester: Special Committee Chair – Cleon Bailey – and this is for the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus – a few words so you guys know what that is – this was something that Cleon came up with and it’s an organization that works with our legislature and will put people at the legislature and can work directly on issues, as far as, hunting, gathering rights – anything that comes up – and so there’ll be a staff that they’ll have there and they’ll address particular issues that we have. So, I think that’s something that’s really good for us – cause a lot of this stuff is happening in our legislature and we don’t have any voice at the legislature – and that’s where 9 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 the decisions are made and when it comes to the rainfall of the forest and all these other programs coming down – so, with that said, Cleon? C. Bailey: Yeah. Chair Sylvester: Give us an update? C. Bailey: Yes, Chairman Sylvester and Commissioners – the ad hoc committee tasked to the Sportsmen’s Caucus continues to facilitate the interfacing of Hawaii’s legislators with the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus. The public’s input to the commission relating to the lack of an advocacy mechanism in our state legislative body specifically directed to the rule making process, and what can be done to correct this handicap. On behalf of this unison, GMAC has advised the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus, through the Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation. In a request for the State of Hawaii’s sportsmen and women to have representation in law-making process aimed at issues concerning hunting, trapping, and fishing in Hawaii. This would be through Hawaii State Legislators, who have affiliation with the National Assembly of Sportsmen’s Caucuses - NASC information fliers have been provided to the public at a previous GMAC meeting and are available upon request. The committee was able to establish a liaison with Mr. Andy Treharne the Western Regional District Manager for the Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation. Mr. Treharne has contacted state legislators referred to by GMAC – given the Hawaii’s representatives are requested to be bi-partisan and bi-cameral and meeting acceptance criteria for membership into the National Assembly of Sportsmen Caucuses. In following, Mr. Treharne, on June 6, 2013, reached out to Senator Slom and Republican Cindy Evans - and he was unable to connect with Senator Slom but was able to reach Representative Evans by telephone and email. The feedback received by Andy [Treharne] was – Rep. Evans was interested to participate – so he provided her with organizational information to meet the acceptance criteria. Rep. Evans has stated she had some current agenda items to be facilitated by the caucus. She also stated she needs several legislators to draw participation from – furthermore, she will contact Senator Slom and fill him in on the protocol to organize a sportsmen’s caucus in Hawaii. Again, the committee contacted Senator Slom on June 7, 2013. Senator Slom was provided knowledge of his missed 10 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 contact by Andy Treharne and indicated the incoming contact by Rep. Evans. The committee also forwarded the attachments of the organizational information sent to Rep. Evans for Senator Slom’s review. Senator Slom was puzzled why Mr. Treharne was unable to make contact with him. In turn, he provided the personal cell contact number whereby he can be contacted. Nevertheless, Senator Slom is very much interested in participating in the caucus and looks forward to Rep. Evan’s call. In following, the committee emailed Andy Treharne on Friday, June 14, requesting confirmation that he had received Senator Slom’s additional contact number and in fact had spoken to him. Andy [Treharne] replied back that he would be getting a hold of Senator Slom this week and that Rep. Evans wanted a few weeks to review the information he sent her – Andy [Treharne] had also stated that Rep. Evans would need time to speak with House leadership to keep them appraised of what’s going on. And that’s the end of the Committee’s report for the actions addressed since our last meeting. Chair Sylvetser: Thank you, Cleon. Would you like to make a move to adopt or accept your report? C. Bailey: Yeah. I move to accept my report. Chair Sylvester: Tom seconded. Motion - It’s moved and seconded that we’ll adopt and accept the report. Thank you, Cleon. ?: [Unclear] voting… B. Brilhante: Each time you move to adopt or [unclear] be denied [unclear]… Chair Sylvester: OK. - OK. So, all in favor.. those in favor of the motion… Group: Aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye… Chair Sylvester: Those opposed? [Pause] We have seven “ayes,” six “ayes” and no opposed. The motion is carried. Group: [Discussion] 11 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Chair Sylvester: Total of 8 ayes. Motion carried. 2. GORSE CONTROL Chair Sylvester: Sorry about that, I have to back up one – for the reports – presentations – Mike Robinson [Gorse Control] his plane was too late to make it – so he’s going to be scheduled for th the 15. And the pick up interest of that – this is part of that Aina Mauna Legacy program – as far as working with the Hawaiian community and all that – this is an excellent project. Its several things – one is – this is part of the gorse eradication project – over 10,000 acres of Hawaiian Homes Land has been taken over by gorse and they’re looking at ways concerning all viable gorse eradication options. So, this is something that we looked at and said, hey, we can work with Mike Robinson – he’s the Forrester and the Land Manager there. [Unclear] possibly there’s a report from Paul Gittleman [sp?] a while back that – for gorse control with goats and sheep – and they’re able to reduce a pasture with 66% gorse to 7% using 44 goats per every 85 acres. And in one year, they were able to reduce gorse from 66% to 7% - and this is two-metre high gorse. So it’s pretty high stuff. And, you know, the side to that would be food for the beneficiaries of the Hawaiian Homes Land and also hunting opportunities. And this wouldn’t require any chemicals and all this other stuff. Apparently, what they’re trying to do is, you know, poison, burn, bull doze, ah… Plant trees to try shade it out and all that. We thought as far as being [unclear] we could work with Hawaiian Homes Land on this one – I think that would be something worth pursuing. So, we’ll have th to wait till July 15meeting and Mike will give the presentation on that. OK. Now next is just a quick report by Paul [Bueltmann] that meeting legislative session that he went to. Paul? [Unclear] with Malama Solomon and give an update… 3. LEGISLATIVE SESSION UPDATE P. Bueltmann: I attended the presentation – Dwayne was also present. We listened to their presentation about the amount of money that 12 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 they brought back to the Big Island and I just asked them a simple question – you know – just what are they doing for fishers and hunters of the Big Island and, you know, to be honest, they didn’t really answer the question directly, because, you know, honestly they haven’t been [unclear] anything for all of us. They - she explained, pretty much, there’s a conflict of agendas, yeah, there’s federal things that is happening and there’s just – she just kinda trying to explain, you know, the current situation, which is, we kinda understand what the current situation is and we wanted to change. After the meeting was done – I pushed both Malama Solomon and Gil Kahele to see if they would meet with our group and both of them agreed. So, we have to follow-up with them and formalize a meeting to talk with them and bring some issues up with them that, you know, [unclear] this is our community, this is our lifestyle. ?: You used to be able to approach [unclear] Malama Solomon – she was with the hunters – at one time. P. Bueltmann: Yeah… I talked to Linc with her husband outside, you know, for a while too… ?: Her boys all hunt. P. Bueltmann: Yeah. ?: ….[unclear] big game hunting… [Unclear] P. Bueltmann: [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: OK. Yes? Ike. D. Yoshina: I would like to add my two cents. Chair Sylvester: OK. Go ahead, Ike. D. Yoshina: What I found interesting was that she may have not said it directly, but I think she intimated that there is this federalization of the bureaucracy going on. And, I think she recognizes that – and she recognizes that that has come about, you know, because you’ve got [unclear] money. And she’s trying to undo [unclear] said it’s this complicated, you know, you peel one layer and there’s another layer there, so, this is something that I think I’d mentioned before to various people in the community. And I don’t think it’s well 13 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 recognized. But, federalization of State lands and resources is where it’s at – as an example – that we are now having to go through a critical habitat process [unclear] and prior to that it was something else. And then prior to that it was something else. But, all of these initiatives are federal initiatives – [unclear] the feds come in and [unclear] State not doing it so they gonna do it. And, you know, they have a lot of money – put a lot of money [unclear]. [Unclear] she said a bit of an apology for the present administration and [unclear] and the fact that she seems to recognize that, I think is important. [Unclear] as another example o fall this you see in the federal documents [unclear] all within the past five years, ten years, and oh well five years, [unclear] they start mentioning the ahupuaa concept which was not their [unclear] but this all fits into this critical habitat and basically, when the feds take over an area, they run it. The Northwestern Islands is the same – is a classic example of what they do. They make it a sanctuary and then they make rules and I don’t know if it’s general knowledge but U.S. Fish Wildlife or the Federal government does not have to have public hearings for rules changes they just change the rules. So, I think it’s something that we ought to be really, really, really sensitive about and we should be watching that activity [unclear]. One of our problems is that we don’t have the kind of resources we need to track for this stuff. [Unclear] whereas, you know, the others, some of the other groups that are interested in this area – I mean as soon as something happens it’s in their network. So, I think what we have to do is we have to build bridges with groups that may be sensitive or interested in these issues and work with them. Chair Sylvester: OK. The next order is – I’ll ask the Secretary. Can we change it to Unfinished Business? Substitute it for Old Business. I’d rather see Unfinished Business. B. Kossow: Change from Old to Unfinished. OK. Chair Sylvester: Thank you. OK. UNFINISHED BUSINESS : 1. UPDATE ON HAWAII ADMINSTRATIVE RULE CHANGES TO CHAPTER 124 14 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Chair Sylvester: Update on Hawaii Administrative Rule Changes to Chapter 124. So, pertaining to the proposed amendment changes to HR Chapter 124, does the Chair hear a motion to identify the parts of or the entirety to be opposed and request a letter signed by our Mayor to the DLNR opposing said amendment changes. C. Bailey: Yes, Chair. Chair Sylvester: Do I hear a motion? C. Bailey: Yes, Chair. D. Yoshina: Second. Chair Sylvester: OK. There is a second. And it is moved and seconded that we identify parts of or the entirety to be opposed and request the letter signed by our Mayor to the DLNR opposing said amendment changes. The floor is open for discussion. Please identify what parts or its entirety. [Pause] Cleon? C. Bailey: Chair can we like schedule [unclear] excuse me – yes, Chair – [unclear] a mistake and there was already an ad hoc committee generated toward HAR 124 – it was Paul and Tom Lodge and Francis – has that been dissolved? Chair Sylvester: Yeah. C. Bailey: As far as getting to issues under this 124 – where they can collect information from different entities on what they oppose in partial or entirely. I mean, I can give you some issues myself – I didn’t think we were going to address this in detail, except maybe we’d establish some sort of committee to collect this information, but if I had to give you an answer now – there’s issues right off the bat with non- representation from the Big Island representative – Robert Pacheco – who sits on the board. Every time they have a rule or an amendment change – he’s not there at the public hearings to actually, you know, to get input and receive feedback from the public. And that’s just a general issue with this amendment rule change for 124, without this representation on the board. Some of the other issues or they added words in their definition – they gave a definition 15 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 for what is wildlife and when they started out – they started out saying it is said to mean, you know, any member of a non-domesticated species of animal kingdom and game mammals and game birds living in the wild in non- domesticated state and at the Kailua-Kona meeting, the public meeting that I went to on March 28, it was brought to them – who’s the [unclear – sounds like “stet”] who’s this entity? And they couldn’t give a definitive answer. But, nevertheless, if you talk to the DLNR’s – the department’s biologist – I have in the past and they consider wildlife as every animal kingdom/species whether domesticated at one time or not – which is born in habitats in the wild, period. And, I know there’s people that speak to me that they’re are opposed about this language because it gives DLNR the right to chose what lives and dies, at their discretion. And who, and the way of their wording. Another subject matter in this 13 - 124 is the crop damage nuisance and threat to human health and safety permits. They’re basically giving the department the authorization, without public input, to take action however they need to see put. And that’s a problem I hear from the public. But number one is the penalty issue – that they want to amend this 124 with – the public’s up-in-arms with – they don’t even enforce the laws that are on the books right now – and now they’re adding more penalties and heavier penalties directed to indigenous, injurious, and introduced wildlife. There’s also talk with this amendment change – the 124 – they have an exist list – and it lists the injurious wildlife in Hawaii. And the public – at the th meeting in Kona on March 28 and you hear talk on the street is – they want to know who specifically in the department decides which species are injurious wildlife. And they really won’t give a specific person – they just say the th department. And it was also put to ‘em on March 28 and you hear people talking about it on the streets - why are not wild cats included on this same list? And, the department representatives at the time – at the public hearing on March th 28 – responded by saying that cats are not considered wildlife. And it’s common communication between the hunters in the district that I live in – District 9 – that wild dogs and wild cats are a detriment to our natural resources and why aren’t they included on this injurious list. And lastly, I’ll let someone else jump in here, but there was issues brought up with this amendment change on 124 is – they included doves and pigeons as injurious wildlife. And there was a gentleman named William Isaac that stood up and gave th public testimony on March 28 in Kona regarding the 16 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 proposed amendment changes and he was – put it to them – said, hey I raise pigeons. I take my pigeons to Maui! I let my pigeons go in a race and they come back. You’re gonna come give me a ticket? And he was told that you can be ticketed, you know, you’re, when you’re breaking a law, and it was brought up that you could possibly get a special use permit and that would be delegated from the local branch department. So, there’s issues with – cats aren’t gonna be on the injurious list – but pigeons are. So, there’s more issues then that – but I didn’t think we were going to talk specifically on issues in this proposal – I thought maybe there’d be an ad hoc committee reformed to collect the aggregate discussion toward this opposed amendment change and then submit it to the Mayor’s Office for his review and consideration and then, you know, at that time if the Mayor concurs with the recommendations by the GMAC advisement – then his office could then generate an amicus letter to the board whereby providing some standard testimony in opposition to this proposed amendment change being considered by the department relating to this HAR 124. [Pause] That’s all I have to say. Chair Sylvester: OK. Tom [unclear] comment… T. Lodge: Um, I provided, I think most of you have, what I wrote on some of the areas that I found detrimental in 124 to start with. Ah, Cleon now has other – pigeons [unclear] I’ve heard about pigeons from others, as well, you know, they’re making criminals out of people without any kind of due process, they’re making, you know, they’re making these decisions – I mean – for myself – I almost feel like they should [unclear] all over again, potentially, what I feel they should be doing [unclear]. Cause there are so many bad sections that have been introduced into this 124 – trying to get a permit to move wildlife from one place to another – if you find an injured animal you have to get a permit before you can bring it home – I mean it’s just burdensome. And it doesn’t make sense and they’re doing it without making any comments with the public before they come out with these things to start with. And I think we should shelve the – shelve the whole thing, I mean that’s my opinion, would be to shelve the whole thing – come back and talk to the public and then come back and start over – would be what I suggest but… Chair Sylvester: I think that probably would be the easiest thing to do then… 17 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 C. Bailey: Yeah, in that request, Commissioner Lodge, I would ask that you include the wording that we request the attendance of Mr. Rob Pacheco, the Big Island representative who sits on the board, who’s going to be making a decision on this – probably they can do it in the next meeting – so… I think we need to be diligent and move forward with this as fast as we can… Chair Sylvester: Mark? M. Bartell: Ah, yeah, a couple thoughts. First, 124 exist – so we’re talking about the amendments to it, right? Chair Sylvester: Right. M. Bartell: I think, if we’re gonna be successful at stopping this - simply put – if you exempted game animals from 124 – the hunters and gatherers of the island would probably be able to live with what exists, right? So, if you excluded penalties for moving pigs – we’d probably be way better off than if we let these amendments go through. There’s, you know, issues with – I think a lot of 124 has to do with snakes and bugs and you know incredibly ugly pests that probably all of us don’t want on the island. But the way they wrote it – it makes criminals out of everyday pig hunters, right? When they move a pig… So, we could go at shelving it, which I think is scrap it all of 124 – which I think is probably not gonna to happen; we could go after every detail like Cleon’s suggesting, which is, I think, an uphill battle. If we got the County Council and the Mayor to put in verbiture exempting game animals and get the list of what we think a game animal is exempted from the penalties associated with the amendments to 124, I think we’ll have made – we’ll get 80 or 85 or 90% of what the hunters of Hawaii want with just that simple change. That would be my suggestion, if we want to be – if we try to want to be successful here – as we move forward. I think, the Mayor is probably gonna have to work with that, the County Council could get on board with that and our chance of being successful, I think, goes up. ?: Excellent. Chair Sylvester: OK. 18 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 D. Yoshina: I agree with that. I agree with what Mark said. : All right, but there already is involved a list of game animals. So, we just can refer to that section. ?: It’s the amendments that are the problem. D. Yoshina: OK. And, I have a question for the Corp Counsel… Is it proper for us to get input from the people who are here? B. Brilhante: A couple of comments. You know if… ?: it’s open… B. Brilhante: ..You can always, the Chair can also always call people up – you know if someone wants to make a comment or something like that and engage in the dialogue of the topic area. ?: I would like to … [Unclear] Group: [Discussion] ?: Do I have to make a specific motion or? B. Brilhante: No, no, no… You can just… P. Dedman: Just add it to this chapter – about just [unclear - bringing or reading] an update. We gave comment to this – you called up… B. Brilhante: You’ve got to come up and come on the record. State your name… P. Dedman: I will give comment… B. Brilhante: State your name. P. Dedman: Ah, we gave comment… B. Brilhante: State your name. P. Dedman: Palikapu Dedman… Ah, we gave comment to this chapter what you’re talking about – ah, Palikapu Dedman. And the date for comments already past – it was last month – and that the only questions they had was all the questions on the legality of using and making traditional practices by changing 19 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 the definition – now a traditional practice would become criminals, so we raised that issue with the AG – he’s right now looking at that – that’s the only thing hanging it up right now – is our claims that the language is defining it makes me a criminal – when the State’s supposed to look at upholding my rights and my traditional practices, so that’s where it’s at now. As far as comments that you folks can give, good luck, it’s too late. Thank you. Chair Sylvester: [Unclear] mention the board yet… P. Dedman: Yup. It’s already done, the woman said no more comments. We called up to find out [unclear]… ?: Aw… D. Yoshina: Did you include, when you mentioned the animals – your comments included game animals? P. Dedman: Yes, it was the pig - that we were being a criminal for taking my pig to grandma’s house for kalua – so, that was the problem we had with the language. D. Yoshina: What about sheep and goats, and wild cattle? P. Dedman: Same thing. D. Yoshina: More of a family, traditional thing… D. Dedman: Yeah, that we transfer our animals from point A to point B. So, we don’t want to be criminals for doing a natural practice. D. Yoshina: OK. Chair Sylvester: Ah, Mark? M. Bartell: Ah, recognize the comment period is over, Tony, but I think the influence period is still wide open, right? So, I think a letter from the Mayor, a letter from the County Council, a letter from this Commission on changes to 124 – to the DLNR board members is the appropriate thing to do. Chair Sylvester: OK. 20 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 C. Bailey: I also spoke with Lauren what is it? Goodman? Bobby you know her. B. Command: Lauren Goodmiller [DLNR Admin]. C. Bailey: Yeah! That’s it. You know I spoke with her about late testimony, and testimony can still roll in. We were told that th the March 28 public hearing on this that they weren’t going to make a decision on it for over a year. They were going to include feedback from all over the island. But if you actually look at the paper that they gave – they can actually make a decision within the very next board meeting. So, like, it’s crucial that we move forward with this expeditiously and I agree with Mark – that substantial testimony can still filter its way in and be recognized. Chair Sylvester: OK. I guess, can I call the question and just add in that part or would I have to make a whole nother motion? OK. So, I would like to call the question at this point and it’s those in favor of the motion [pause] to exempt game mammals pertaining to the proposed amendment changes the HAR 124… ?: Did you talk to [unclear]? ?: Animals, animals, birds and [unclear]… Chair Sylvester: ….game animals – OK – game animals and request a letter signed by our Mayor [unclear] opposing [unclear] changes. For those in favor? ?: All in favor. C. Bailey: I don’t understand where you’re going with this Chairman? Chair Sylvester: Ah… C. Bailey: So, you’re amending the motion or? Chair Sylvester: No, no. I’m just – I’m reading the question and then we’re gonna vote on it. C. Bailey: Well, the only problem I have with the motion is delegating a response from the Mayor. I mean, I think it should be delivered to the Mayor, he should review it and if he concurs with it and we’re just an advocacy group – we can just give 21 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 him this advisement, you know, I don’t want the wording to be saying we request, you know, a letter from you, but that it states that we request that you would review it and if you concur with it then if you would generate some testimony – or against it – however he feels. B. Brilhante: This is Bill Brilhante with Corporation Counsel – may I make a recommendation that it be this body entertains a motion and part of that motion would be for the drafting of a letter – on behalf of this commission to be sent to the Mayor and the body of that letter could incorporate some language and identify some specific issues as to what you’d like the Mayor to do as it relates to some particular action regarding the adoption of HAR 124 amendments – so maybe this Commission takes the position that maybe the amendments should be drafted in a way to include, you know, whatever the representations were made here today and a formal request from this Commission can be sent to the Mayor – because we’re advisory – the Commission is advisory to the Mayor – so if you make a recommendation or request to the Mayor that he submit a letter to the DLNR addressing this issue – what I recommend is along with that request for the Mayor to submit the letter, they actually draft a letter to accompany the documents so that then the Mayor can just sign-off on it. Cause I would think – suffice it to say – I don’t think the Mayor would sit down and draft a letter, you know, on his own – I think if you want to get the most bang for your buck that’s what I’d probably recommend – is you draft a sample letter for the Mayor to submit on behalf of… ?: [Unclear] B. Brilhante: [Chuckles] I’ll give you leeway! [Laughs] I mean our office would be happy to work with anybody. You know, if you guys are gonna… But there has to be a formal – that’s a formal action - to draft a letter sending recommendations to the Mayor – so that has to be approved by the majority of the Commission members. ?: [Unclear] adopt your motion… B. Brilhante: Yeah! [Chuckles] Chair Sylvester: Thank you, counsel. You may want to know who is going to draft the letter… Bob? OK, Tom… 22 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 ?: Yeah, I was wondering if you could help me on that? B. Brilhante: So, we have to [unclear] a motion on the table. Somebody, one of you can come up with motion D. Yoshina: I hope that we ah… [Pause] ….ask the Mayor to [unclear] a letter. I move that we ask the Mayor to draft a letter which we would do the initial draft – this is getting convoluted – but I’m trying to [unclear] but basically I move that we ask the Mayor to draft a letter pertaining to those items that we talked about tonight and send it to the DLNR or the board for their action. Chair Sylvester: OK. It’s been moved and seconded and [unclear] state the motion again. So, basically, just to draft a letter, get is signed by the Mayor, exempting game animals HAR 124. [Motion – Draft a letter for the mayor to sign exempting game animals HAR 124] OK. All in favor say “aye.” “Aye” Those opposed? [Pause] The motion is carried. We have eight “ayes.” B. Kossow: Who did the second? Chair Sylvester: Tom… B. Kossow: Tom. Thank you. ?: I thought that Ike moved… B. Kossow: Ike moved, I got that, yeah. Thank you. Chair Sylvester: Thank you, Barbara. B. Command: What are we talking time frame? Chair Sylvester: A week? Who’s gonna [unclear]. T. Lodge: I’ll try and draft a letter tomorrow, if possible. 23 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 B. Command: By the end of the week is fine. There’s a good [unclear]. 2. IMPROVE ANIMAL SALVAGE Chair Sylvester: OK, next was the improve animal salvage – the discussion objectives to reduce waste and we kind of bounced this around the last few times and it’s a hard one to dig our feet in it, though. So, I would need to hear a motion or something on this if we’re gonna try and do something here. D. Yoshina: Um, [pause] I move that we [unclear] the discussion [unclear] objectives. ?: I second that. C. Bailey: I can’t – I can’t hear that. What was that Ike? D. Yoshina: I move that we reopen the discussion of meat salvage. C. Bailey: OK, and somebody second it… T. Lodge: Yes, I second… ?: OK. Chair Sylvester: Tom seconded. It’s been moved and seconded that we open the discussion on animal salvage. ?: [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: Yeah, the floor is open to discussion. ?: OK. [Unclear] discovered about 50 animals [unclear] of the ranch… Chair Sylvester: Yeah… T. Lodge: ….about 50 animals that were discarded after being shot on Hawaiian Homes Land. You know, our game animals are kind of precious to all of the island and I think that we need to – at some point near – address all of entities that – whether it’s Hawaiian Homes, DLNR, Feds or whatever – that they respect this idea of wanton waste. And, I know that the - Pohakuloa is being [unclear] to try and accommodate 24 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 that but I think they need to make a strong commitment to the community for that. Cause once our game animals are gone – that resource is gone. And we don’t know that we’re gonna have any kind of propagatings or repropagating of any of these animals, so once they’re lost, they might be lost forever, so, I think it’s [unclear] we need to impress upon the fact that we need to impose this idea of salvage. Chair Sylvester: Tom, can you explain to everybody about this wanton waste? T. Lodge: Wanton waste – basically it’s – if you shoot an animal and leave it - just let it rot [unclear]. Wanton waste rules require that you take the animal – that if you shoot it, you take it. And, you know, basically, it’s for the purpose of consumption or all the utilization. I mean you know, I guess some people use the hooves for glue and things like that, you know, but whatever it is – that you take that [unclear] animal and, you know, we need to respect these animals too, you know, it’s not just us, you know, it’s also the animals, so, we need to respect the animals. If you kill it, you need to do something with it. ?: So, it’s against our laws? T. Lodge: We don’t have any laws that specifically address that, yet. Chair Sylvester: Is that, Bobby, would that be something to do with the County Council? [Unclear] is a Council thing or that would be… ?: It should be… Chair Sylvester: ….that would be something that… ?: It should be a Council thing and it should also be [unclear]… B. Command: I think you can ask Council to pass a law like that – [unclear] to support the – our community – cause that way they can’t just like kill animals now – they’d have to do something with it. Well… P. Dedman: [Unclear] there is a law [unclear]. ?: [Unclear] 25 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Chair Sylvester: [Unclear] Palikapu... P. Dedman: Mahalo, Palikapu Dedman. I think you do have a County ordinance, or a law, and it has to do with eradication from the helicopter. The language of that laws quotes about the killing and letting animals rot, so you do have a law defending those languages about letting animals rot because you passed them [unclear] says you can’t do that no more. And it’s not just out of fun – it was because of letting it rot, that the language was put into… ?: Right… P. Dedman: ….[unclear]. ?: Does that language specify like some type of enforcement overlap? P. Dedman: Yes, yes, it does. Well, the enforcement be the County to enforce it… The language of the bill, you know, it doesn’t have penalties or anything in it. But it already had that passed about… ?: Cause you know they shot 700 [unclear]… P. Dedman: Well, I think they should be [unclear]… ?: ….sheep on Mauna Kea… P. Dedman: ….so there should be some comment from Corporate Counsel on how we look at the law that says its reason – because of leaving it to rot and then we got this question about… D. Yoshida: [Unclear] a County ordinance? P. Dedman: Yes, it is a County ordinance. [Group discussion] Thank you, thank you. Chair Sylvester: Would somebody else [unclear]? ?: Sure. ?: OK. [Unclear] 26 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 T. Lodge: Oh, Tom Lodge. Um, Palikapu, does that address the leaving the animals because of helicopter shooting? P. Dedman: Yes, it says it all in there, I think, about the pono about the whole language of the bill was just because it was shooting and letting it rot. It wasn’t necessarily that it was bad shooting from the aerial, but the idea of what they did after that was the strong language, in the bill about letting things rot. T. Lodge: Did it address at all, I mean like for example if I was… P. Dedman: I would [unclear] Bill 261… T. Lodge: If I, if we were, for example, hunting, and I shot an animal and left it – would that apply to that also? P. Dedman: I thought it was just the aerial. T. Lodge: Right. So, we’re talking about… P. Dedman: The aerial, but it’s just the practice of letting things rot – it’s the language I think you should… Woman: Because it’s food… P. Dedman: Yeah, because it’s food. [Unclear] according to the County Council. D. Yoshina: So, I have a question. Chair Sylvester Ike, state your name please… D. Yoshina: Ike Yoshina, this Federal stipulation and this Federal court case – that we just had – where they said that federal law overrides the County Charter, etc., etc. How does that impact this? Thank you. B. Brilhante: Honestly, I’d have to go and read the actual holding of the case – my understanding that there’s an issue regarding preemption and the court ruled that because the area is so closely regulated by the Feds or the State, to a certain degree, the County’s adoption of that rule, which was in contrast to the Federal and State regulations, would not be enforceable pursuant to preemption doctrine – so, that’s my understanding of it, but I don’t want to say specifically that is 27 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 what happened. So, I’d have to honestly say I’d have to go back and take a look at it. ?: If you are going to go back and look at it, would you mind entertaining [unclear]. B. Brilhante: What I’ll do, what I’ll do is, I’ll make the recommendation to Lincoln Ashida, and then I’ll have, I’ll let him know that you wanted to touch base with him. ?: [Unclear] D. Yoshina: So, what I’ve done thus far is I’ve looked at this issue and under 183 this is Title 12, Chapter 183D… Chair Sylvester: Of the… HRS? D. Yoshina: HRS… Ah, they talk about the distribution, free of charge, as the department deems to be, in the public interest. Game for the purpose of increasing the food supply of the State, and it’s kind of permissible, very discretionary on the part of DLNR. Um… But, I was told that this – that it requires that they distribute meat [unclear] by reading it says, and they may or may not, you know, depending on who is there. And, it brings back for me what is the central issue here, and that is the eradication of the animals. And, the salvaging part is kind of a way to satisfy the people’s emotional response to the eradication. So, I don’t know how we, um, deal with that question, because the caravan is past already. Especially for Mauna Kea. I don’t know about any place else, but Mauna Kea, you know… Um, so, I think that the DLNR DOFAW has a process by which it provides for the salvage of the meat and there’s very, some questions, or there was some question about the efficient distribution of the meat, which involves questions like, if you shoot 700 animals and you only recover 100, something’s not quite right there. And so, something should be done about that – as an example. So, um, my review of this thing indicates that DOFAW has a process and apparently there’s some fine tuning that can be done. And I know that there is this history here as to why it’s the way it is done. So, what I would like to propose for Council, ah, the Commission, is that we put together a paper about – that reviews this process – and recommends changes to that process, and I’m not ready to do that yet. But, I think that’s what we should do. 28 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Chair Sylvester: OK. We had one – Kalani wanted to say something on this issue and I’ll continue [unclear] please state your name… K. DeCoito: Kalani DeCoito. You know, I’d just like to get back to that eradication that the State and Federal compliance as far as the entity [unclear] for the County – which is one good one – but in regards to that, maybe you gotta change that even ground eradication and maybe private firms that own property, that the County has that right to actually proceed all that situations – like Nature Conservancy, Kamehameha Schools, Bishop Estates – they doing private eradications – with private, you know, bidding and stuff. And it’s ground eradication, you know, that is one I think the County can kinda do what [unclear] – but the whole aerial one, if they’re not doing aerial – then they in compliance – because there’s nothing stated as far as ground. ?: Right… K. DeCoito: And I mean, so, everybody know Nature Conservancy is one big stronghold, you know, and so is Bishop Estate, Kamehameha Schools. They the big landowners. So, they’re not - they don’t fall under the whole State and Federal, per se, you know what I mean? So, they got to follow the County ordinance, as far as doing the eradication [unclear]. ?: As far as the wanton waste? K. DeCoito: Yeah. So, the whole thing is, you know what I mean, we can tell the State on Mauna Kea – stop! But it’s still State land, Federal. So, they gonna look at that whole County thing and says, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, but we can still do what we want, because they can oversee it at the County level, because of what they are. But if we can hit them at, let’s say, like again, Nature Conservancy, Kamehameha Schools - Hawaiian Homes, ah? Because they still under one State ordinance, you know, they under one State program. Right? I mean correct me, if I’m wrong, but it’s something that the State [unclear] I mean that’s the State constitution. Just like the whole, you know… ?: Yeah… K. DeCoito: ….[unclear] Chapter 12. Yeah, so. That’s what I’m trying to emphasize is, we gotta try maybe get ‘em to one point where ground eradication is also added to aerial eradication. 29 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 ?: I think that’s what the wanton waste… K. DeCoito: You know what I mean? ?: ….I was told that it doesn’t matter… K. DeCoito: Yeah, so… ?: ….cause down in Kawaihae where [unclear] is – that’s what they’re doing. They’re dropping people off [unclear] helicopter [unclear] K. DeCoito: Yeah, because now they, yeah, because now they in compliance. ?: Yeah. K. DeCoito: It’s not considered per se one aerial eradication; it’s one aerial drop off. ?: Yeah. K. DeCoito: Yeah. It becomes one, it becomes a ground eradication. So, they did away with that whole aerial thing. ?: Right… K. DeCoito: You know, it’s that hole – they find a flaw in it. So, we, we seem ‘em on our side. We see ‘em all over. You know Kamehameha Schools, Bishop Estate, they do it. ?: [Unclear] ?: I’d like to make a comment after Mark on… B. Command: The aerial eradication only applies to the palila habitat, right? K. DeCoito: Yes. B. Command: OK. Thank you. Chair Sylvester: Mark? M. Bartell: Yeah, Mark Bartell. So, two thoughts, right, I mean top is improve salvage, right? So there’s a short term issue of as 30 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 they continue to aerial eradicate on Mauna Kea – I don’t even know how many more sheep there are up there, Tony, but that seems to me like, that’s us working with DLNR. DLNR’s doing the killing, right? DLNR is picking up the animals. DLNR need to do a better job of salvaging the meat, right? That, that, that’s the short term Mauna Kea issue. Right, so, can we influence DLNR? We should try to influence DLNR on that one, right? Long term issue – understand and congratulate the guys for doing the County work, right? But, large chunks of this island still are kind of regulated by the State. Longer term, intermediate term, we need to get wanton waste on the State books, right? So, the fact is, I mean the State is pretty much in control of Mauna Kea. If we had a State law on the books about doing this, um, I think it would hinder the next time they want to fly and shoot, right? I mean flying and shooting on Mauna Kea – the County ordinance has limited that, right? The lawsuit has overturned that. But wait till the next lawsuit comes, and the next lawsuit comes, and the next lawsuit comes. To think that we only have this battle on Mauna Kea, I think is very naïve. There are more coming, I’m sure. So, we just need to think ahead and be preemptive, right? So, today Mauna Kea let’s go do DLNR, by I think a State law of wanton waste that you cannot do this stuff, edible animals, um, is a reasonable intermediate step this group should take on. D. Yoshina?: Yeah, so we get back to this question of, OK, is eradication game manageable? I think there’s general consensus that it’s not. And that’s what [unclear] that game management, um, questions, and the fact that the State has failed in this case. I mean, you know, eradication is an example of a failed game management program… ?: [Unclear] ?: Yeah. Chair Sylvester: Joe, state your name please. J. Gosselin: Joe Gosselin. Until we get it on the books that our animals are a natural resource, [unclear] not invasive, I don’t care if it’s County, State, or Federal level – what we did in the County already by stopping the aerial eradication is our guys. We all voted on it - we all got to get a chance to [unclear] that 39,000 people said [unclear]. Once we get the animals showing is it’s not invasive, cannot be invasive, 31 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 even for the Hawaiian [unclear] not invasive – once we get that on the books – that can [unclear] I mean [unclear] – [unclear] – once we get there guys – we get a motion passed – to get it into the County or get it into the State – [unclear] – it is a natural game resource. ?: [Unclear] first [unclear]. J. Gosselin: That’s gonna stop [unclear] so much… ?: [Unclear] talking about the wanton waste and all that. That’s gonna stop all that. [Unclear] with that. Chair Sylvester: Tom T. Lodge: [Unclear] We have, one way that you folks can help us – there is a bill out there – 104 – that is a constitutional amendment – to keep our game animals as a resource – and [clears throat] we didn’t get too much help, it was a surprise when it showed up this year – but we can bring it back next year. And that’s where we could use your help, we need to get a lot of testimony… : Yeah… T. Lodge: Cause right now [unclear] testified against [unclear] were Nature Conservancy, [unclear]… ?: Yeah… ?: ….and all these other people. ?: That’s [unclear – sounds like HP] 104, and they already had it – five legislators from this island [unclear], so we had it going… ?: [Unclear] County Council… ?: Well, this is the State. This is the State law to amend the constitution. ?: Right. ?: But… ?: [Unclear] 32 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Chair Sylvester: We could do something like that for the County. T. Lodge: But also, with Mark, I remember some Hawaiians some years ago introduced an anti-snaring bill and a wanton waste bill – both – and both of those failed at that time. And the snaring bill actually ran into a lot of snags – not just because they wanted to stop snaring on State land, but there’s a lot of private people that testified against us as well because if the law honors – that we’re going on to private land – and trapping pigs for people, you know, in their neighborhoods and things like this – then they usually end up selling the meat. But, the wanton waste thing is something that, we have a bill, we should just reintroduce this and have the Game Management Commission and other people get behind it this time and, you know, with the Mayor’s voice, that might be helpful. M. Bartell: So is that a motion? Group: [Laughter] ?: [Unclear] we have a bill, we’ve already submitted a bill on wanton waste once before… ?: Yeah… ?: ….with pig hunters. ?: ….no, I got it, I think we should… ?: We have that bill. M. Bartell: I think we should reintroduce it. We got to figure out why it failed and make changes and then see if we can reintroduce it. Chair Sylvester: OK. We have one more comment and then let’s figure out what kind of motion we can make to do something with this so we can move on. S. Araujo: Good evening Commissioners. I am Steven Aranjo [sp?] ?: [Unclear] 33 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 S. Araujo: Yeah, OK, I’d like to help you guys out with this, um, the meat thing. OK. Brief history: back when Jon Giffin was the branch manager for this island, I found the law that request for meat. OK. I approached Jon Giffin verbally and I requested every bit of sheep meat that was eradicated on Mauna Kea. OK? ?: [Unclear] S. Araujo: I think you got ‘em. ?: [Unclear] S. Araujo: It just requests – the law just says – any person can request meat from the DLNR – the DLNR has to provide it – plain and simple language. ?: That’s the HR? S. Araujo: It’s HRS No, H-R-S. Hawaii Revised Statutes. OK? D. Yoshida: If you can give me the citation because I’ve looked and I… S. Araujo: It’s under Title 12, OK? D. Yoshida: Title 12… S. Araujo: It’s in Title 12. OK. That’s where I found it. And our days, when we wanted to find law, we had to go to the law library. OK? And we had from 7:45 AM till 3:30 PM. Now, you guys get the computer, you can look at ‘em 3:00 in the morning. D. Yoshida: But it doesn’t H.R.S [unclear]... S. Aranjo: HRS – Hawaii Revised Statutes. It’s under Title 12, I believe. It’s in the 200 figure. ?: [Unclear] D. Yoshida: Now, now you going get me going! Group: [Laughter] S. Araujo: That is what the intention is… Group: [Laughter] 34 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 D. Yoshida: [Unclear – sounds like Nicholas] I looked in 200 and no more! S. Araujo: OK. There is, OK. It is law, OK, because that is why the DLNR provides the sheep meat to whoever wants to come pick it up. That is the law – that’s why they doing ‘em. I approached John Giffin and… Chair Sylvester: How can we get a hold of that information? S. Araujo: OK. Find the law… Chair Sylvester: I’m trying, keep trying. S. Araujo: It’s still in effect – they’re still giving out the meat, right? The only thing… Chair Sylvester: But he needs the law, to quote the law… D. Yoshida: They’re bringing it out under 183 D, 2. S. Araujo: OK. Well, maybe that’s the law. D. Yoshida: No, but you stated… S. Araujo: OK. What does that law say? D. Yoshida: It should be free of charge… S. Araujo: OK. D. Yoshida: ….as the department deems to be in the public interest. S. Araujo: OK. D. Yoshida: Is that what? S. Araujo: That’s pretty much the law [unclear]. Usually… D. Yoshida: It don’t sound like what you just said… S. Araujo: Ah, I’ll talk in plain English. OK. But, anyway, in the beginning, all of the sheep came out. They tried to do what they’re doing now. 35 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 ?: [Unclear] ?: Yeah! S. Araujo: They saying if the sheep is herded into an area where the helicopter cannot get ‘em, they not going to retrieve the meat. OK, so, I kind of stood the ground for the people and I told them, don’t hurt ‘em where you cannot get ‘em. OK? So in the beginning – and the idea of that thing was don’t waste the meat, OK? The sheep were to be brought out where anybody that wants it, even with a two-wheel drive vehicle has access to it. There wasn’t such thing as pull a card - fifteen guys can go. Chair Sylvester: Which is what they do now! [Unclear]… S. Araujo: Yeah. OK. Chair Sylvester: …..[unclear] encompass that changes with the Department of DLNR to update that – then we need people to show up! Cause at the last eradication, that was the problem. The last day, nobody pulled permits. And, if excuse my language, but they went ape shit and shot 500 animals that day. ?: Mm. S. Araujo: OK, but the point is – it’s supposed to be made public to any person that wants it. The pick-up stations, ah when I arranged it, was one was the Kilohana checking station… Chair Sylvester: Yeah… S. Araujo: OK. Mauna Kea – in the back of Mauna Kea State Park, they got the little compound? Chair Sylvester: Right, right. S. Araujo: OK. And the third one was by Hale Pohaku. They’re all 2- wheel drive accessible – somebody can go with a sedan. They can go pick up the meat. And it wasn’t, um, only for certain people, all the meat had to be distributed evenly. If there were four guys – one sheep – that sheep had to be quartered. Four guys, everybody get one quarter. That is the way it was originally set up. Chair Sylvester: OK. 36 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 S. Araujo: OK? Now, things fell by the wayside after different people took it over. OK. So, you guys can actually try to talk, um… What’s her name? Chair Sylvester: Lisa [Hadway]. S. Araujo: Lisa [Hadway], OK. Reinstate the old program. OK? Um, as far as your wanton waste, um, legislation, what this body could do is create a – formulate a letter – it’s called a Facts and Findings. We the Commission have found that da, da, da, OK. Therefore, maybe you want to create a County ordinance. Maybe this is where you go first – a County ordinance – and you can cover the entire wanton waste within the County – we recommend that and da, da, da,. And then from there, you can have the County Council introduce legislation on your wanton waste, OK, not the Commission – the County to the State Legislature – and that can be done at this session, this upcoming session. The process – do the process – because the process – the thing that you folks are missing is the County Council. OK. Remember when the Commission was first starting, OK, the State said, ah, later with the Commission, we no need listen to those guys, remember all that? OK, but when this Commission came out with the aerial shooting thing and the County created an ordinance – now you have got everybody’s attention. So, don’t miss that critical step – the critical step is the County Council – do the process – it’s a little longer – it’ll be more effective and it’s not that the Commission didn’t do anything – the Commission initiated the thing to go roll, OK? Thank you… ?: [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: OK… Is there a motion for anything particular [unclear] – do it right now or should we do anything? [Pause] [Unclear] more information… C. Bailey: I don’t know Chairman, but the discussion I hear in my district – they want Lisa Hadway – they want her job. They want her to be reassigned – I mean they shot as much sheep in two days that they normally do in a year, for the last thirty years. You know, even the eco-activists feel, you know, if you have the necessity, where you have to incorporate aerial eradication – they only agree upon it, if it’s done in a professional and a humane way. And I mean that’s across 37 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 the board, bi-partisan, bi-cameral, bi-race, whatever. And this was just a blatant mis-justice and it’s just a mis-thought on her part. And they’re asking me, well, how come you’re not asking the Mayor – how come the Mayor’s not making a statement in response on what happened here on their island? I’m just expressing, you know, what I’m hearing. You know, you could end this but it’s like – the community - that I discussed the situation about – they’re like – there’s got to be some sort of balance – I mean this got way out of balance. This was grossly mismanaged and why isn’t there, why isn’t somebody stepping in and saying, hey, I think we got the wrong person in this position here. That’s what I’m hearing, I’m just advocating on what I’m hearing. T. Lodge: What can we immediately do, because they’re gonna fly again next month already. They plan to fly July, August… ?: And September… Chair Sylvester: ...and September, I believe. So, the animals will be gone by September from Mauna Kea and that’s what we’re facing. K. DeCoito: Well, OK… OK. I want to be quick – so I got one question on that one. Now, who comes up with the figures on how much was eradicated? They literally go down there and count? T. Lodge: That’s their… ?: [Unclear] ?: [Unclear] ?: It’s a guess…It’s one guess. So there is no eradication [unclear] tag? Tag and count? There isn’t none whatsoever? ?: [Unclear] K. DeCoito: So, if I tell you guys I went wipe out 2,000 – it’s just one guesstimation? So, there is no accountability on one tagging count? What I’m saying is – if they going do that – then maybe we should suggest one tag-and-count to get one precise number – to see what’s happening. I mean, give ‘em the work! Give ‘em the work – tagging cow. All [unclear] will be accountable and numbered, right, then it has to documented – then that way we can get one legal count on what is justifiable – that’s why is one legal count of the 38 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 eradication – if that is the whole thing then somebody got to touch on that ground and count and tag. T. Lodge: The problem that we have on Mauna Kea is the number they want there is zero. ?: Yeah. ?: [Unclear] K. DeCoito: But what I’m saying is that – what I’m trying to get at is they’re giving you an estimation of 700. You know, every place they like go to zero – that’s the bottom line – they all like come zero – but what I’m saying is add to it. Don’t just – if you – cause at the speed level they gonna eradicate, yeah, but make ‘em accountable. Make ‘em tag and count. Make them go with their ground crew: labor, workers, paid for tag, numbered, documented; so we can have ‘em in writing. T. Lodge: But why, why – what would be the purpose of that? K. DeCoito: What would be the purpose of that? Is not ‘em easy, because as far as the County ordinance on the aireal eradication – they not observing it as it is because they State and Federal. So, with a recommendation of tag and count – because we request one proper count of the proper amount that was actually eradicated… T. Lodge: I believe… K. DeCoito: ….so they gotta. You create job – you create the hours – the manpower – cause they don’t have the finances for – we all know that! Chair Sylvester: How do we initiate a request though like this and to who would that be? T. Lodge: [Unclear] the Federal [unclear]… K. DeCoito: Yeah… Group: [Discussion] K. DeCoito: ….exactly. So, but what I’m saying is you ask the Mayor – that’s one other thing that you ask – that the Mayor can say, well, you know what, for my Commission, we request that - 39 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 they like one more documentation of the proper count. Is that –thats all we’re asking – just the proper count… T. Lodge: [Unclear – sounds like Kalani] Chair Sylvester: We’re gonna have to move [unclear]… K. DeCoito: ….tag and count… So we can document and we can [unclear]… T. Lodge: I appreciate that – but the thing is that – the only thing they have to document is zero sheep up there. K. DeCoito: Yeah! T. Lodge: That’s all they care about. K. DeCoito: Exactly, the zero, the zero. T. Lodge: You have [unclear]…. K. DeCoito: How can you stipulate the zero if they only going by guesstimate? Chair Sylvester: All right, [unclear] is there anything…Ike ?: [Unclear] cannot. [Too many folks speaking at the same time]. D. Yoshida: [Unclear] to another meeting or how are we going to [unclear]… Group: [Discussion] D. Yoshida: ….or how are we going to fine tune this to something useable? Group: [Discussion] D. Yoshida: [Unclear] table… Chair Sylvester: OK. D. Yoshida: ….because – I think when you go this kind of issue – you need to do it in a very, very steady way, frankly. 40 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 T. Lodge: Oh, I think that he has a good point about the fact that if they’re doing State land – like in the watershed – they need to count the animals [unclear] they’re taking out. That’s a little different and much more doable I think for us to be requesting. D. Yoshida: That’s, that’s good, but I think we need to really be clear on what [pause] you know, the issue we talking about and the recommendations we’re gonna make – because… C. Bailey: I don’t know how much more clearer and what different recommendations you’re gonna get – that need to table this for later discussion – I mean we already know it’s a done deal – and the end goal of zero ungulates – but the thing is a horrible, horrible, inhumane action was just witnessed by the Big Island of Hawaii without any media response, without any public response from our officials – nothing! And as far as trying to impede them to do a tag and a count – we’ve discussed this at the last meeting, when we said – attended – and we brought it up – it’s basically, you know, manpower. They just didn’t – they didn’t have the manpower, and given the situation, they thought they had an open window where they could just go in and end this deal right now – there’s gonna probably some grumbling – but let’s just get it done – get it to zero as fast as we can. As far as – you ask, well, what can we do – yeah, we [unclear] tabling it – I mean, it, I don’t know if the Council would entertain – not an injunction but a letter of concern to this Judge Seabright and with the issue that… ?: Point of order… C. Bailey: What’s that? Chair Sylvester: Sorry, there was a point of order called – so finish up, please. C. Bailey: Oh, well, in the discussion with the County Council too – Judge Seabright we can say that, hey, look it, the people haven’t had the opportunity that was given to them in the stipulation to be at the table to discuss the logistics of this – and the people could say, hey, look it, you don’t have the workforce to comply with this – it’s a mechanism [unclear] State. 41 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Chair Sylvester: Cleon, we can get that in New Business, number 3, it talks about the stipulation and everything. So… D. Yoshida: I think what I’m gonna do is [unclear]… Chair Sylvester: OK. D. Yoshida: I will, I will sit down with Willie-Joe and [unclear]. I’ll put together a thing that speaks to facts and findings. Chair Sylvester: OK. D. Yoshida: OK. But, you know, Cleon has an idea of what he is willing to do – he can draft a, you know, and right now I withdraw my motion so he can do what he wants to do – we can vote on it [unclear] easily set a statement of some kind – to somebody in [unclear]. ?: [Unclear] B. Command: I think he withdrew his motion… Chair Sylvester: Cause I think is couple issues here and I don’t know if Mark said correctly that, you know, Mauna Kea is one thing but we have other areas – and Manuka Forest Reserve got $3.1 million and they’re gonna be fencing and that’s gonna be eradicating of all the goats there – so there’s other projects coming in the wings that we need to try to do something to slow some of this down or, or it’s just one piece at a time going… ?: [Unclear] what are your figures on [unclear] count? [Unclear]? Chair Sylvester: Well, they got eight point five - $8.5 million for NARS. I’m sure that’s probably their number one target project cause… ?: Cause Lisa is a NARS Chair Sylvester: Yes. ?: That’s what she is. Chair Sylvester: And that brings a whole other question. If they got $3.5 million from the general fund and $5 million from CIP – capital improvement projects – now how do you [unclear]… 42 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 forest and kill our animals with capital with capital improvement [unclear] money? I don’t know – I don’t understand – I thought capital improvement projects was [unclear] for schools and you know things like that – so, that’s a whole other issue don’t get me on now… ?: [Unclear tap into that fund? Chair Sylvester: What’s that? ?: How did they get it? Chair Sylvester: CIP funds from the legislature. That was SB1166? – they were trying to get the money from the conveyance tax – so that’s gonna come up next year – and they’re gonna get $8.5 million every year for NARS [unclear] I think it’s more like $10 million – [unclear] for 10% more. But this year, because that conveyance didn’t go through, you know, the legislation – the legislature assigned them from the general fund and CIP monies so they can get started already. ?: And that money is here for this island? Is that what… Chair Sylvester: It’s NARS money so… a ?: [Unclear] ? Chair Sylvester: [Unclear] statewide, yeah, yeah. Which you know the focal point is [unclear] it’s gonna be. Um, still yet there’s kinda two things going on – so, I don’t know, Cleon what? C. Bailey: You know I’m not against Commissioner Ike’s (Yoshida) motion – it’s just that… Chair Sylvester: No, no, no. If we hear his motion – what we need to know what – I need to have a specific issue that we can move forward here – what are we gonna do? B. Brilhante: Agenda this for our next meeting… ?: Yeah, if they want to… If he wants to… ?: [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: Can agendize for the next meeting? 43 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 C. Bailey: Yeah! ?: OK. Group: [Discussion] D. Yoshida: [Unclear] to do [unclear] and try to improve that whole thing clear through… Chair Sylvester: Yes. D. Yoshida: [Unclear] so it’s working… Chair Sylvester: Yeah, there’s something that we can do immediately with Lisa Hadway and DLNR to say, hey, make this permitting process better – more permits – we’ll get the people there… D. Yoshida: Right. Chair Sylvester: You know that’s something we can do immediately and then try to put together [unclear] wanton waste ordinance – so forth and so forth. Yeah, that’s OK. So we’ll try to set that on the agenda next – for the next time. B. Command: Point of Order. Corporation Counsel – Do they file this motion for postpone or… B. Brilhante: It was postponed…The motion was withdrawn. B. Command: Nothing’s on the table, is it? B. Brilhante: No. B. Command: All right. Thank you. B. Brilhante: They could have postponed it to the call of the Chair or that the motion was withdrawn. 3. HAWAII ISLAND GAME MANAGEMENT PLAN Chair Sylvester: OK. Next is Hawaii Island Game Management Plan. Now, I’m gonna just read a little bit here what’s going on. At our last meeting we requested further action to have Game 44 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Management Plan released. It was suggested that we fall off with that request. It was dis-initiated [unclear] request and Bobby Command sent a letter to Aila asking him to release the plan. I think first was an email and then was an official letter and I think have you gotten anything? Nothing back, so, we talked about it at our last meeting and Lincoln said that what we do is make one more request and that’s what we want to do now – and then after that, he says, he can go to the Office of Information Practices, and I don’t know anything about that, and he said he would take care of that. And he said he would take care of that, I guess he could file a request through the Office of Information Practices and I’m sorry, I made mention of that, I don’t know what that was. But what we decided to do was [pause] is – well, I’d like to hear a motion to review and discuss the letter to Aila, implement changes if necessary to approve said letter and mail immediately. Well, now I’d like to hear a motion for that… ?: Moved… ?: Seconded… ?: Ike. No, you guys have to make the motion. Group: [Discussion] Chair Sylvester: [Unclear] verbatim so we don’t get Barbara all tongue twisted. ?: [Chuckles] ?: [Unclear] ?: OK. T. Lodge: The Chair wanted to review the [unclear] letter… ?: No, that was me, I said that… ?: [Unclear] ?: I said that, right? So you just say – you make a motion… 45 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 T. Lodge: I make a motion to review and discuss the letter to Chairman Aila including changes if necessary to approve said letter and to mail immediately. W. Camara: I second that. Willie-Joe second… Chair Sylvester: It is moved and seconded that we review and discuss the letter to Aila and implement changes if necessary to approve said letter and mail immediately. OK. Do we have any discussion on this. ?: [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: Yes, OK. D. Yoshida: OK. So I sat down and drafted this letter. [Unclear] the Honorable William J. Aila, Jr., Chairman, Department of Land and Natural Resources, State of Hawaii, Kalanimoku Building, 1151 Punchbowl Street, Honolulu, Hawaii, 96813. Aloha Chairman Aila… Chair Sylvester: Excuse me, Ike, can you talk a little louder please. D. Yoshina: We the newly constituted Game Management Advisory Commission, County of Hawaii, were appointed by Mayor Kenoi, pursuant to Section 13-4 of our ordinances, and I put in parenthesis that perhaps Lincoln [Ashida] or somebody should look at this so that the citation is correct, cause I’m not really sure on that. It provides that the Commission, “Shall advise County, State, and Federal entities on matters related to the preservation of subsistence hunting and fishing, as well as, protecting traditional cultural gathering rights.” I’m also suggesting that the official documents containing the Commission’s duties and responsibilities pursuant to [unclear] attached as an enclosure to this letter. The County should have a one-page something or the other. In order that the Commission responsibly carry out its duties and obligations, we would appreciate becoming better acquainted with you and the programs of the department. To this end, we ask that you attend one of our future meetings – at the West Hawaii Civic Center, 74-5044 Ane Keohokalole Highway, Kailua-Kona, Hawaii 96740. I wish you’d check that address. 46 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 On, I think we have lots of dates here but I think we decided on… ?: Yeah, August… D. Yoshina: August, right? Well, you can put that… ?: [Unclear] D. Yoshina: On August, whatever that date is period. The occasion should also provide you with the opportunity to acquaint yourself with the members of the Commission. Because of our responsibility to advise our various governmental agencies on sustainable subsistence hunting and fishing, as well as protecting traditional cultural gathering rights – the GMAC is particularly interested at this time to learn the status of 1) the Game Management Plan 2) the Puuwaawaa and Puuanahulu Habitat Protection Plan or is it Plans? ?: Conservation plans… D. Yoshina: Habitat Conservation Plans. OK. The dollar contri… [tape gap – change to side two] We look forward to your participation in our future meeting. Thank you. Aloha and Mahalo, Tony Sylvester, Chairman, GMAC. A copy of this goes to Bruce Coppa. Now, I also asked if something should be sent to the Governor – like a copy of this – but I don’t know. It’s up to you. ?: Let’s discuss that… Chair Sylvester: Anybody has any changes or any other things you’d like to add to [unclear] any other changes or anything anyone would like to add to that? Coppa is the Chief of Staff for Governor Abercrombie, so we want to make sure that at least his Chief of Staff gets it – and Ike recommends [unclear] asking if we would want it to go to the Governor, himself, also. D. Yoshida: Thank you. I… Would there be a problem sending it to the Governor, also? Group: [Discussion] 47 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 ?: ….Governor, yeah… ?: No, there’s no problem [unclear]. ?: I should see no problem sending it to the Governor. I think you should absolutely cc the Governor. ?: There’s no [unclear]. ?: OK… Group: [Discussion] ?: ….got an address? [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: OK. All right. Is there any further discussion then? B. Command: Point of order, I only ask that we give staff permission to make any grammatical or other minor corrections – form and function – and I think [unclear] whatever title or whatever needs to be changed. ?: OK. B. Command: OK. Thank you. Chair Sylvester: Terri [Napeahi] come forward… T. Napeahi: My name is Terri Napeahi. Um, I had sent an outline of what [unclear] talk about and one of the second items in that other part – that I wanted to point out – was the ability you had to inform the public of what you’re doing – is that OK. You know, you can do your due diligence, to be able to allow the public as well as the native Hawaiian community the opportunity to hear about your issues. So that, you know, we don’t have to, you know, come to your meetings and sit around all the time – but be able to hear what you’re doing. And if there’s any concern that we can send in written, right, well that’s the process. Am I correct? Is there the additional way that, you know, I was told that you were going to be doing a website – to be able to allow everybody – what you’re doing and what you’re discussing – but are you able to do a newsletter? And maybe [unclear] different County Council building – so that you don’t have to make copies for everybody and everybody knows to go there and get one. 48 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 B. Command: Um… Chair Sylvester: Bobby? B. Command: ….and stop me if I go anywhere where I shouldn’t go. We are still talking about the website – we’d like to do it – there’s still some issues on – there’s a number of issues on – some of ‘em have to do with – believe it or not – with things like disabled access and things like that. I mean, it’s just technical issues that we have to work on – well, we’re trying our very best to work on something that’s official – what we need to do and we will do this as soon as possible is to at least have the agendas and the minutes available… T. Napeahi: Published… B. Command: ….for everyone to, you know, download off of a site. T. Napeahi: All right… B. Command: And that should be, at very minimum, we should be doing that. And, again, like Tony said and I apologize – we’re kind of, in our infancy still some growing pains but we will get to that – we will do it as soon as possible. T. Napeahi: The importance to that is that when you have issues – you have an entire public to agree to what you’re doing and that power comes from the people. And if you need the help of the people – that’s where it starts, you know, so keeping them informed – not putting them in the dark – and communicate with them gives you a better opportunity to function better at the Council and that’s one of the things that I recommend that your Commission does. B. Command: Thank you, Terri. Chair Sylvester: OK… B. Kossow: Chair, this is Barbara… Did every, did all the guests sign in with email address so that we can send them the agenda and the minutes – if they’re on our list? Because I’m building up a list… Thank you. Chair Sylvester: OK. So [unclear] further discussion? 49 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 B. Command: Um, ah, finish that and then I’d like to ask everybody a question [unclear]. [Motion]those Chair Sylvester: OK. OK. So we’ll call the question to order – in favor of reviewing and discussing the letter to Aila and implementing the changes as necessary – we did that – and approve said letter and mail immediately. D. Yoshina: So moved… I move [unclear]… Chair Sylvester: [Unclear] a second… T. Lodge: Second… Chair Sylvester: Those in favor? Tom, second. Group: [Discussion] Chair Sylvester: OK. Those in favor? Hearing “ayes” We eight “ayes” and zero opposed. B. Command: Tony, and I just wanted to ask everyone here on – if you’re going to be coming regularly – we’ve got a lot people here and I – if I need to make other arrangements – like a bigger room or something like that – I’ll do that – but I’m just, you know, cause like this is our third meeting and every time that we have a third or fourth meeting… ?: Right… B. Command: ….more people show up, so… I’m sure, I guess, there are going to be a lot of people coming so I’ll try and make other arrangements so it’s a little cooler. The air conditioning is off, by the way, [chuckles] it’s not… ?: [Unclear] B. Command: ….yeah. [Chuckles] ?: You’re right on that… B. Command: Yeah. Anyway, I’ll try and get a bigger room. B Brilhante: Just to follow-up on, you know, the points that was made and, Barbara, you touched up on it as well…is that – if any of you here haven’t provided testimony but you want to be 50 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 informed of the agenda and you want advance notice of what’s gonna be discussed – the HRS – the Sunshine Law will require that if you provide your name and like an email address, or something, then the County will then notify you in advance of the hearing – of the meeting – and then you get that advance notice and then you can tell your friends or you can forward the email to whoever you want and then that may help, you know, disseminate or get the public out there. So, please, provide your name with your email address. Thank you. Chair Sylvester: All right, OK, moving on to next order of New Business… NEW BUSINESS: 1. PERMITTED WORKING GROUP – ACCESS TO PUBLIC LANDS Chair Sylvester: ….working group public access. Does the Chair hear a motion? W. Camara: Yeah, ah, Willie-Joe, ah, I move to form a permitted working group pursuant to HRS Section 92-10.5 [sic], the GMAC proposes to form a permitted working group whose members shall investigate and initiate discussions with DOFAW personnel for the purpose of gathering information and assisting the Access and Acquisitions Coordinator to improve hunting and gathering [sic] opportunities by increasing access to public lands. Chair Sylvester: Is there a second? M. Bartell: Second. Chair Sylvester: Mark seconded. It’s been moved and seconded that we said motion. Do we have any discussion on that? Did we do that enough already? Chair Sylvester: Ike [Yoshida]? D. Yoshina: I’d like to make sure that it was mentioned fishing [unclear]… Chair Sylvester: OK…Two things… 1) Jordan says he cannot handle the fishing aspect of it, so, if we put that in there we may run into a problem. But, I’d like to hear a move to amend the motion 51 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 to include gatherers – cause that’s the same area of the forest and all – this thing only says hunting. Group: [Discussion] ?: You did? Oh, OK. Thank you. Oh, awesome! ?: OK. Thank you. Chair Sylvester: Yeah, fishing, it’s up to you guys – but Jordan specified at the last meeting that he doesn’t want expectations and he mentioned that other – there’s another trail system that deals with coastal and all that… ?: Yeah, yeah… ?: So, I mean, that’s just my recommendation… D. Yoshida: [Unclear] OK, excuse me, but, you know, gathering [unclear – sounds like also] happens at the seashore, yes? ?: Yes… ?: So, I mean… ?: [Unclear – sounds like whether he] covers it or not [unclear]… ?: Somebody, somewhere along the line we gotta… ?: Yeah… D. Yoshida: We gotta get [unclear] and make sure that [unclear] we [unclear] so that, that [unclear]… ?: So, you’d like to, ah, amend it to add [pause] fishing? D. Yoshida: Fishing, yeah… ?: OK. D. Yoshida: And, and, well, I move to amend the statement by adding the word fishing… Chair Sylvester: Is there a second? 52 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 D. Yoshida: If we can also include a statement saying we understand the limitations of his job… Group: [Discussion] ?: I got a question. Does this address [unclear]? Chair Sylvester: Ike doesn’t [unclear] what I think right now… ?: Well, [unclear] personnel… ?: [Unclear] personnel and ah [unclear], right? ?: Yes. ?: Oh, so, [unclear]. ?: Yes. ?: So, we can [unclear]? ?: Yeah. ?: Right, yeah. ?: Yes. Group: [Discussion] B. Brilhante: There’s an amendment [unclear]… Group: [Discussion] B. Brilhante: There’s an amendment on the floor to add fishing to the proposed, um… ?: Yeah… ?: Yeah…. B. Brilhante: ….motion. So that’s all the discussion can be limited to… ?: Tony? ?: [Unclear] whether they gonna add fishing… 53 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 R. White: Chair Tony, this is Rob, ah… Chair Sylvester: Yes, Rob… R. White: ….Rob White… Um… Didn’t you just say that the – we shouldn’t include fishing? Chair Sylvester: No, no, I didn’t say that. I just said that Jordan Jokiel who’s Access Coordinator – when we asked him last month – I think Ike or someone asked him to or Cleon or whoever asked to also include fishing, at that time, [unclear] hunting and fishing, and he said he wouldn’t want to tackle the fishing because he… R. White: He wouldn’t – but is there somebody else that would? ?: He mentioned a woman – Judy? ?: I could look it up… Chair Sylvester: If you guys, if you guys know, bring it out… I’m just saying what Jordan said. I don’t want Jordan to think that we’re stuffing fishing down his throat too, now… ?: Right, so… Chair Sylvester: First of [unclear]… M. Bartell: Well, so there’s one person in all of DLNR that does this. He has zero staff. He covers the entire State. He’s, that’s Jordan, right? ?: Yeah. ?: So… ?: Yeah. M. Bartell: ….I mean it’s not like you got an army of DLNR people working on this – looking at land contracts and legal agreements and so, ah, my recommendation Tony, is that, um, if we’re working with DLNR and Jordan – we keep it to what’s in his scope, right? 54 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 C. Bailey: But he did, Jordan did mention at the last meeting the Na Ala Hele program with Debbie Chang, was it? So, can she handle the fishing issue? Group: [Discussion] Chair Sylvester: But, she doesn’t work for DLNR… So I mean she - I think she’s [unclear – sounds like on and off]… C. Bailey: But we can have out sources – we can have public out sources… ?: Right… W Camara: Yeah, but Cleon, but Cleon, this motion is to initiate discussions with DOFAW personnel and the acquisition coordinator. [Unclear] that’s kinda what I understand and… ?: Yeah… ?: [Unclear] specific really… W. Camara: And, I’m not disagreeing with you… Chair Sylvester: I mean we can make a [unclear] later… Maybe [unclear]… W. Camara: [Unclear] another, another, um… Chair Sylvester: We got burdened last month trying to get to… W. Camara: Yeah… ?: ….complex [unclear]… Chair Sylvester: [Unclear] and we want kinda get through [unclear]… W. Camara: Yeah. Chair Sylvester: [Unclear] and that was the advice from Corporation Counsel last month and we got [unclear]… ?: [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: What’s that Ike? D. Yoshida: I withdraw my amendment. 55 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Chair Sylvester: OK. [Chuckles] B. Brilhante: So, we’re back to the main motion. The proposed amendment has been withdrawn – so any discussion regarding the main motion is on the table right now. ?: I’m all for it… ?: Um, yeah… ?: I think there was… ‘ ?: Yeah… ?: ….somebody [unclear]… W. Camara: …to [unclear], when do, I mean how do we pick who is gonna be on this working group? ?: Yeah. W. Camara: First, can we do that now? B. Brilhante: First the working group has to be authorized or approved by the board - then members – no more than four – can be assigned to it. W. Camara: Okay, I can we do that tonight? B. Brilhante: Yeah. ?: OK. Yeah. B. Brilhante: But you have to determine whether or not you’re gonna approve it [unclear]. W. Camara: All right. Group: [Discussion] Chair Sylvester: Time is of the essence. K. DeCoito: One comment. Chair Sylvester: OK. 56 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 K. DeCoito: When they go move with the [unclear] State DOFAW and stuff – it’s already one State constitution the Article 1267 [unclear – sounds like 4] Access right-of-way for traditional gathering rights. What I’m, what we, I think we’re supposed to be hitting is on our County level – on the planning – and getting big entity corporatse they are buying land mass and gating those roads that is actually getting accessible to that forest for observe the whole traditional rights, gathering right, of the State constitution, so as the County ordinance, we gotta, to me it’s like we gotta make sure that our planning is advising these guys that’s buying land and saying, OK, with the advisement that – this road needs to be open for public access – to get to that forest reserve, because there is one compliance that the State has to observe. But, when the gate stays here now it becomes a private land. So even though the forest and DOFAW would say, yes, we can comply with the whole thing but us cannot say because there was no determination of easement for the ingress and egress. You know what I’m saying? So, with all these traditional rights, which everybody uses, because it’s true, it’s a State constitution, it’s a law! So DOFAW going say, eh, we in compliance. But these guys right here, the Game, and the County can have the right with the planning to advise that landowner… Chair Sylvester: The Planning Department we would talk to? K. DeCoito: Yeah, because we have, they have the right to – they gotta tell these guys that, OK, you going buy this land, when they survey ‘em to realize that that land mass that you paying taxes on – this road needs to be accessible to that forest. That’s where the County got to come in on the County ordinance. Chair Sylvester: OK. Thank you. Group: [Discussion] ?: That’s why they hired Jordan… That was back in February of 2012. ?: Yeah. 57 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 ?: 2012 or 2011. I forget when we did that. [Pause] [Unclear] at this point already he’s not up and running, he’s not up to speed… ?: No. ?: ….as far as… W. Camara: He is. We’re just trying to form a working group that [unclear] we can work with… ?: Our Commissioners can communicate with him… That’s what… ?: [Unclear] we cannot all [unclear]… Group: [Discussion] W. Camara: ….only two people can meet… So this way we can have four people from around the island… ?: Yeah… W. Camara: ….yeah, now… [Unclear] with issues that: access problems in Kau, in Kona, Hamakua, Hilo and so on… ?: I understand that but [unclear]… ?: Let’s vote… Group: [Discussion] ?: What they’re saying is – is you can’t handle the fishing by this vote – you only can handle… ?: [Unclear] State and [unclear] I can pass this around if you want to see… ?: ….inform them [unclear] for him to be the access manager. That was a year and a half ago. ?: Yeah, that’s out the scope of my [unclear]… ?: That’s what I’m saying – you guys question [unclear]… You follow what I’m getting at? 58 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 ?: Yes. Chair Sylvester: OK. OK. ?: [Unclear] not getting paid for a year and a half… Chair Sylvester: OK. Where are we? We have the main motion. OK. Any further discussion? ?: I think that’s where we at – maybe we can go back to that? ?: OK. Just call… Chair Sylvester: OK. I’d like to call a question. And that’s… [Unclear] what [unclear] so I don’t have to repeat all over again... Those in favor? ?: [Chuckles] Hearing “ayes”. Chair Sylvester: We have eight “ayes” [unclear]. Any opposed? None. B. Command: [Unclear] All in favor say “aye” and if you don’t hear any opposition you’re fine. If you hear someone say something, “no”, then you ask for a roll call vote. ?: Oh... B. Command: Just, just so there’s no… Group: [Discussion] Chair Sylvester: OK. All in favor? Any opposed? Hearing none, the motion is carried. B. Command: We’re just perfecting ourselves. [Chuckles] ?: Yeah. [Laughter] ?: [Unclear] OK. Ah… B. Command: Command, now to form the committee though… 59 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Chair Sylvester: Oh, yeah. We gotta do that…All right, Willie-Joe, who’s going to be on this thing? W. Camara: I would like to be on it. R. White: I would like to be on it, Rob White. ?: I, do we nominate, or… Group: [Discussion] W. Camara: I know Mark would like to be on that… Mark? M. Bartell: Ah, yeah, sure… I would like to be on it. Group: [Discussion] ?: Paul? Chair Sylvester: OK. We have Rob, Paul, Mark and Willie –Joe. ?: Is that it? ?: Yeah. B. Command: Make the motion… B. Brilhante: ….to accept the appointment of the members to this investigative committee. D. Yoshida: Motion to accept the appointment of these members to this investigative committee. T. Lodge: I second it… ?: All in favor… ?: All in favor? Group: Aye. - Any opposed… There are none. The motion is carried. Group: [Discussion] 60 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 2. PERMITTED INTERACTION GROUP – MAMMAL MANAGEMENT & LEASES Chair Sylvester: OK, ah, formation of permitted interaction group. Does the Chair hear a motion? P. Bueltmann: I motion to the formation of a permitted interaction group pursuant to HRS Section 92-2.5, the Game Management Advisory Commission proposes to form a permitted interaction group whose members shall investigate and initiate discussions with Kamehameha Schools for the purpose of gathering information on the process and procedure of a hui/group to perform mammal management, and to discuss possible short- and long-term leases. T. Lodge: I’ll second that. Chair Sylvester: It’s been moved and seconded. Floor is now open for discussion. Move quickly on this [unclear]… ?: Yeah. I move [Unclear] working group. ?: [Unclear] it’s already moved. Group: [Chuckles] Chair Sylvester: OK. [Unclear] discuss it – all in favor? Group: Aye. Chair Sylvester: Opposed? [Pause] None. The motion is carried. Forming the group? ?: I move to form the working [unclear]… ?: So, who wants to be on it? ?: I do… ?: I do! Chair Sylvester: So, Paul… 61 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 B. Brilhante: Wait… State the names of the people… Chair Sylvester: Tom, Paul… Yeah. Paul, Tom, Tony… [pause] Anybody in Kona? ?: Kona, put on your mic. ?: Mic is on…[Someone whistles] ?: OK. Group: [Laughter] ?: It’s quiet over there, ah? Group: [Laughter] Chair Sylvester: Lips moving but no talking… No potential takers there? [Pause] OK. OK. We’ll just be the three then… B. Command: [Chuckles] Chair Sylvester: All right. All in favor? Group: Aye. [ 8 ayes] Chair Sylvester: Opposed? [Pause] Hearing none, motion carried. [Discussion]: 3. REQUEST BY THE PEOPLE – OBTAIN 1998 STIPULATION PERTAINING TO THE FEDERAL MANDATE TO REMOVE UNGUALTES FROM MAUNA KEA, ETC. Chair Sylvester: OK. This is a request. Ah, [unclear] do you want to talk about this? C. Bailey: Yeah, yeah. In reference to this item number three in the New Business – the 1998 stipulation. By public request I move that the Commission request Corporation Counsel to obtain the transcripts of the agreement for public viewing, 62 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 whereby the transparency will assure stipulations of the agreement are being complied with in their entirety. Furthermore, this will substantiate any corrective advisements, correspondence by GMAC to the Mayor or to the Board. Any seconds? Chair Sylvester: Hear a second? M. Bartell: Mark, second it. Chair Sylvester: OK. It has been moved and seconded that we - that motion [unclear] for discussion. A discussion… C. Bailey: Is this something that Council has any disagreement with, that cannot be obtained through County Council? That’s one thought. B. Brilhante: I guess, cause I read the [pause] I read the agenda here, I’m not quite sure what 1998 stipulation you’re referring to and who you’re sending – who you’re requesting we send the request to? B. Command: The question may be is the Federal order public record and, if so, how do we get it? B. Brilhante: The Feds do comply with Federal Uniform Commission Practices Act… B. Command: Do we even have to go that far, though? B. Brilhante: Yeah, I’m not sure… You know, I would opine that the first step should be just an informal request be sent to the agency who, I guess, is responsible for, you know, housing this stipulation as 19… Like I said, I’m not sure… ?: [Unclear] coordinating it? B. Brilhante: I’m not sure what this 1998 stipulation refers to. You guys probably have more information than I do. W. Camara: [Unclear] ….to use the area of shooting in – as their method of eradication. B. Brilhante: So it’s a Federal entity? 63 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 W. Camara: It’s a Federal stipulation that was made between – or what we understand – you know it was made with DLNR – that was their Earth Justice [unclear] back in 19… B. Brilhante: OK. DLNR is State now… Chair Sylvester: So, the State went into agreement with Earth Justice, so they wouldn’t get sued – and then they would fly twice a year to shoot… ?: Yeah… Chair Sylvester: ….animals [unclear – sound like from helicopters] but the thing in questioning is that it’s supposed to… ?: Settlement… Chair Sylvester: …..it states that it’s supposed be – the public included in the logistics planning and all this kind of stuff – whereas I don’t think the public has ever been – it’s just we’re gonna do it – we’re gonna fly here – and I don’t think anybody’s ever been – the public or anywhere – has been notified of anything [unclear]. B. Brilhante: Why don’t you make the request to Corporation Counsel to [pause] um… Research, um, what entities were involved with this 1998 stipulation. And come back and report the specifics of the stipulation so that then a motion can be made as to what request you guys want to have sent out and to what entity. Because like right now, you know, I’m hearing DLNR, I’m hearing Earth Justice – none of those are federal in my mind. So, I’m not sure, you know, what… B. Command: [Unclear – sounds like Well, sir] went to federal court [unclear – sounds like to enforce]… B. Brilhante: It went to federal court? ?: Yeah… B. Command: Instead of [pause] [unclear – sounds like federal] ruling – I guess they came to an agreement that said… ?: Right… 64 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 B. Command: ….these are the ways, so these are the ways that you’ll [unclear]… B. Brilhante: Although… B. Command: [Unclear] B. Brilhante: ….although they went to… ?: Back to court and got it approved by… ?: Right. ?: ….the judge. B. Brilhante: Yeah, so, but they were in federal court – they were still suing the State. So, if there is a stipulation, the parties were Earth Justice and State DLNR, so the State would probably be the, DLNR would probably be the entity that would… ?: Yeah… B. Brilhante: ….be the holder of the agreement…Or, the other thing to do – is we could pull up the court case… The other thing to do maybe is to pull up the court case cause the stipulated agreement should be, as long as there wasn’t a confidential agreement, it should be codified within that holding of that case – the final determination. T. Lodge: [Unclear] it was just between [unclear] HRS, says you can’t aerial shoot… Chair Sylvester: That’s Tom talking… T. Lodge: Oh. B. Command: [Chuckles] ?: [Unclear] B. Brilhante: What I’ll do is, ah, you can, I would say - make the request that Corporation Counsel goes and investigates the… C. Bailey: So, Chair Tony… Chair Sylvester: Yes, [unclear]… 65 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 C. Bailey: I believe Lincoln knows all the ins and outs – I mean he’s the one that was introducing this thought. Um, I mean, this all boils back to the discussion we had earlier about the salvage issues. And we really can’t formulate anything because we can’t see what supposedly is happening. I thought I heard Lincoln state that this stipulation might just be a verbal stipulation – there actually might not be a transcript. So, that’s what we need. We can’t say, oh, we would like people to do this and do that when we might be talking out of our [pause] derriere. And if, once we can get this ’98 stipulation where we can say, look it, the public’s supposed to have a seat at the table, you know, we want you to stay this until you comply with it. So back to – was it Dan? County Council? B. Brilhante: Bill, Corporation Counsel. C. Bailey: Dan, Dale? B. Command: [Chuckles] B. Brilhante: Bill. ?: William. ?: William. C. Bailey: I’m sorry William. [Pause] I’m sure the information that you’re requesting you can get from Lincoln. B. Brilhante: Yeah. So just make the request to our office and we’ll take care of it. C. Bailey: OK. W. Camara: So we got to just make a motion… So, you know, I’ll make a motion to request the, that [unclear]… B. Brilhante: [Unclear] Counsel… W. Camara: Counsel, ah… B. Brilhante: [Unclear] 1998 stipulation… W. Camara: 1998 stipulation and… 66 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 ?: [Unclear] W. Camara: ….and report back to the Chair… Chair Sylvester: Yeah, and kinda report back to us on that… B. Brilhante: Clear enough. [Chuckles] D. Yoshida: I second it. Motion – Request from counsel the information on the Chair Sylvester: 1998stipulation and report back to the chair. Ok. Motion moved and seconded… [Unclear] No questions? All in favor? Group: Aye. Chair Sylvester: Opposed? [Pause] Hearing none, the motion is carried… Group: [Discussion] Chair Sylvester: OK. Any further new business? [Pause] Rob? How you’re doing Rob? R. White: Would this be an appropriate time to catch everybody up on the two issues I’ve sort of been following, which is the website and the spear fishing on scuba issue? ?: Not on the… Chair Sylvester: Not on the agenda… R. White: OK. ?: Next, our next meeting… ?: [Unclear] ?: No, Bobby, not me. Group: [Laughter] B. Command: I’m sorry, I withdraw that statement and I defer to William. [Laughs] 67 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Group: [Laughter] B. Brilhante: Mr. Command is absolutely correct. [Chuckles] 4. ANNOUNCEMENTS next meeting on July 15, 6:30p, Hilo. Chair Sylvester: Announcements, Right now we have… th B. Command: I’m sorry. July 16? th Chair Sylvester: July 15. We have Mike Robinson coming and we’re gonna have Representative Onishi coming to talk about the Revolving Fund and how we can make some changes to that to acquire more money to do some of these hunting projects and then we’ll try to add – I want to see how we can add whatever comments and stuff like that that you guys want to do at that time. If not, I may make a special meeting – so, guys, we might have to make something in a couple of weeks – so we can take care of various issues – if this is gonna be too long – we’re gonna have these guys there and that’s kinda – it’s gonna be fixed on that – and then Esther th Keanaaina is scheduled for August 26 so we’re gonna start bringing the DLNR people in – so I mean it would be great, if you guys can come and then [unclear]… ?: [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: What’s that? ?: [Unclear] people… [Unclear] hunters and gatherers… Chair Sylvester: Yeah, that’s why – yeah. So, over the next few days I want to probably see if we can do another special meeting – to address their issues… There is already a scheduled once a month but being that it’s a pressing issue – you guys can [unclear] that we can have one meeting just to address their [unclear] issues there. As long as – [unclear] as soon as possible, though, so I can put the agenda together – it takes six days – I got to get it six days before… Woman: To publish… 68 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Chair Sylvester: ….to publish. And that’s why last time was trouble – ‘cause Tuesday was a holiday. T. Lodge: Um, I got a question. You know on Rob’s report – isn’t that a special committee? ?: [Unclear] ?: [Unclear] Chair Sylvester: Rob [unclear] website a special committee? ?: Ah… ?: [Unclear] R. White: ….no, I don’t believe that website would be a special committee because of the Sunshine Law, but, um, I could be wrong there… Um… ?: Yeah… R. White: At present status – the website – technically is not an official GMAC product. So, ah, it is actually more of a – more of a blog, I guess. Chair Sylvester: OK. W. Camara: Um… Can I ask… For the next meeting, are we going to try and get everybody in the same place, or, are we still gonna do the whole… ?: [Unclear] as satisfactory… ?: Well… ?: It’s better… ?: ….I just feel bad for Barbara over there – she’s having a hard time, you know… Group: [Discussion] Chair Sylvester: August meeting… 69 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 Group: [Discussion] Chair Sylvester: ….in Kona. So July’s meeting is here and the special meeting we’ll make to take the hunter concerns and Pele Defense will probably be here – so preferably a bigger building, you think, or? Woman: [Unclear] W. Camara: But, but, I guess what I’m asking is – are we gonna… ?: Maybe ask Barbara… ?: Are we gonna switch back and forth? Chair Sylvester: Does this work out better, Barbara? B. Kossow: Well, we don’t have many choices in Kona, as far as the video conferencing equipment goes… ?: No, but… B. Kossow: ….with a larger room. ?: Right… B. Kossow: We could probably use Council Chambers]… W. Camara: I guess my request as just to have all the Commissioners in one place, you know, with you, so that you can actually hear what everybody’s saying and know what everybody’s saying… I, it… Chair Sylvester: August meeting is going to be scheduled that way and when Aila commits – that one also will be in Kona. B. Kossow: I see… Chair Sylvester: So we would have those two meetings… B. Kossow: Are you folks coming over then, all of you? Chair Sylvester: Yes, we would be coming over for that. B. Kossow: OK. So we have to schedule a larger room. 70 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – June 17, 2013 5. ADJOURNMENT Chair Sylvester: OK. If there’s no objections or do I hear a motion to adjourn? D. Yoshida: I motion to adjourn. W. Camara: I second that… Chair Sylvester: Moved and seconded – that we adjourn. All those in favor? Group: Aye. Chair Sylvester: Opposed? [Pause] Hearing none. Adjourned at 8:39 pm. Thank you everybody. Motion to adjourn moved and seconded. The motion was unanimously carried by a voice vote of all Commissioners. Respectfully submitted, Barbara Kossow Secretary ATTEST: Anthony H. Sylvester 71