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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2014-04-21 Game Management Advisory Commission Minutes Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 Game Management Advisory Commission County of Hawai’i Minutes Meeting Date: April 21, 2014 Time: 6:30 p.m. Place: Puna Conference Room & Mayor’s Kona Conference Room via video conferencing CALL TO ORDER; At 6:27 pm by Chair Anthony “Tony” Sylvester. ROLL CALL: Per B. Kossow: Willie-Joe Camara, District 1 Dwayne “Ike” Yoshina, District 2 Anthony “Tony” Sylvester, District 3 Paul Bueltmann, District 4 – not here Thomas H. Lodge, District 5 – not here Kenneth “Kalani” DeCoito, District 6 Robert P. White – District 7 - resigned Mark C. Bartell – District 8 - here District 9 – vacant Quorum established. ALSO PRESENT : B. Command, Deputy Planning Director Lincoln Ashida, Corporation Counsel Barbara Kossow, Administrative Specialist INTRODUCTION OF COMMISSION MEMBERS AND GUEST SPEAKER Chair Sylvester: OK, introductions made. There’re no guests. Malia Chong of NOAA emailed that the other people she said were coming couldn’t make it – so they’re going to reschedule. So we’re not going to have any presentation today. : We got Bobby Command, Lincoln and Barbara here also, thank you. OK the minutes have been read. Are there any corrections? APPROVAL OF MINUTES: March 24, 2014 Action: D. Yoshina moved to accept the minutes as circulated; seconded by K. DeCoito, and carried unanimously by voice vote. 1 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 PUBLIC TESTIMONY ON AGENDA ITEMS Work with the County Council and develop a resolution asking for the State of Hawai’i to look into the endangered species list and see if some species can be delisted. L. Ashida: Do we have anybody signed up for public testimony? Does anyone want to testify? OK. Go ahead. You have to take testimony before any agenda items that are to be discussed. Chair Sylvester: OK. Your first and last name My name is Steven Araujo. I’d like to comment on while you have the agenda in front of me but it would be under unfinished business – I think it would be second to the last. Ah yeah. Working with the County Council and develop a resolution asking for the State of Hawai’i to look into the endangered species list and see if some species can be delisted..The comments I would like to make on that is that what should be done in this case is not to have the County Council just develop a resolution on something that they’re not familiar with. What I suggest is that this body – create the package and submit the package with the species that can be delisted and those that can be found listed along with a cover letter stating the reason why and also create the legislation for it. So in other words you’re going to give the County Council a complete package and maybe they might just have to amend the resolution to their words that kind of thing, but you’d actually do the work for them because if the County Council –the way I look at this is and being that I’ve done this before, yeah, is that if you’re just going to create a resolution and submit it to the DLNR which I guess is the State that you’re talking about – State of Hawai’i – the response could come back saying – we are presently not relisting at this time. Pau. End of conversation. So I mean this takes some discussion. If you guys would like to discuss this thing – I going stay here till the end of the meeting at the time when you guys want to somehow the logistics on how to do it –I would be more than happy to give you guys the... D. Yoshina: I think that is a good idea and invite Mr. Araujo to participate by giving us a draft. S. Araujo: Okay, I… D. Yoshina: And if you don’t want to do that I’d really like to sit down with you and go over –but you need to help me with that. S. Araujo: OK. I need to assist this body, OK. When I did it myself – back in the 90s – it took me a month to go gather the information, compile the information and do it. OK. One month is too long. OK. If you looking at delisting, delisting has 2 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 a time frame which I presume that this body is not aware of. OK. The delisting by the Fish and Wildlife Service comes every five years OK. So it was proposed in 2010 and it’s due next year – 2015. The one after that is going to be in the year 2020. Chair Sylvester: Do you know what time of year? S. Araujo: Around March. OK. So if this body which it consists of five guys right now– OK -everybody does their share – this can be accomplished in a week. If I’m going to do it – it’s going to take a month. And the timeline like I said is short because if it’s going to the County Council it has to go through 3 meetings – you’re looking at 3 months. Chair Sylvester: I think some of this probably go over again \[unclear\] five of us because of the geographics – and then work \[unclear\] thing like that – it would have to be – we’d have to know more about it first of all before we can even start looking to see the lists of the species and what they are and where they’re located \[unclear\]. D. Yoshina: I think right now \[Unclear\] give us a definite what is it going to take. Man: OK. Man: \[Unclear\] hesitancy \[unclear\]. S. Araujo: First of all every member should have the copy of the Endangered Species Act - the Federal Endangered Species Act of 1973. OK. Second of all you need… Chair Sylvester: ‘73 has never been updated? S. Araujo: No. Man: \[Unclear\] S. Araujo: It looks like – this is the Endangered Species Act right here. Very simple. \[Unclear\] Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\] species specific. S. Araujo: It is species specific. The state endangered act – I don’t know if you guys are aware of that this state has an endangered species act. It’s Chapter 195. OK. So \[unclear\] species specific because it mirrors this. OK. So this one says any individual can petition Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Commerce for listing or delisting. OK? Then in Chapter 195 the state one says it requires 3 people. OK. So you need – the endangered species ‘cause you create 3 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 cover letter to have to quote some of this, OK? Now you also need a copy of the endangered species list – which is readily available from the Fish and Wildlife Service – you get the one with the scientific name, the common name… Chair Sylvester: Is that readily available through the… S. Araujo: Yeah. I going ask for ‘em. \[Unclear\] Chair Sylvester: Freedom of Information Act? \[Unclear\] On line. S. Araujo: I don’t know if it’s on line but I suggest you going need – the only problem with the on line one versus the hard copy – the hard copy is official. You get it from them, it is official. Chair Sylvester: What is our expertise and what can be listed and delisted? S. Araujo: OK. You request from the Fish and Wildlife Service or the Dept of Land and Natural Resources – they have \[unclear\] plant custom management plan books – drafted by the Fish and Wildlife Service. They got the Big Island – Hawai’i – Big Island Plant Custom Management plan, Oahu Plant Custom Management Plan, and they also have a multi-island plant custom management plan. You can get all three. You cannot get the one that says Multi-island. OK the \[unclear\] criteria listed couples pages in \[unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: You need to do this - put that down in writing \[unclear\] checklist for us to start \[unclear\] take notes about the different plants and things like that \[unclear\] beyond the scope of this \[unclear\] at this time - but if you can put that down in writing and we have a hard copy of that then we could be listening and thinking and writing down how we can go about doing that. But right now I’m trying to figure out all this from the time frames to all these different plans and everything like that. This is like a full time job. If you can provide something in writing that has this stuff already for us to look at and then we can say OK. Then I can start looking at it on the side and see how hard it is because I mean sometimes it may be it’s easier to get information and at other times – I mean the ways things have been here to get information it’s quite difficult process to get a hold of somebody for you to get the information. That’s my suggestion. D. Yoshina: I’m going to have to sit down and \[unclear\]. S. Araujo: Are the rest of the – I know this is for you guys looking at how hard work this going be. OK. Try look at it from this stand point – it’s time consuming. OK. It’s a little time consuming. But this – at least the plant list and species list is \[unclear\] is the actual cause of all the problems. So if you can get rid of the cause of the problem – now you can have game management because along with the plant listing the entire State Forest Reserve 4 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 System is critical habitat in case you guys don’t know that. Everything. Hawaiian Homes, private, lots of private property is critical habitat. So you cannot have game management in critical habitat. So if you can have the species delisted and down listed – now you get rid of critical habitat. Now you have open areas for game management, for recreation. Chair Sylvester: OK. Let’s - when we get to that part we’ll call you up again \[unclear\]. S. Araujo: OK. Chair Sylvester: Thanks. Lincoln, that was on the draft agenda. L. Ashida: You’re talking about the Con Con \[unclear\]? Chair Sylvester: Yeah. L. Ashida: What case are you talking about? Chair Sylvester: Hawai’i versus… L. Ashida: The cases I read \[unclear\] issue specific, I don’t think there was any specific planning, was there? I wasn’t aware of any \[unclear\]. I guess I need a little narrower scope here. I need a little more direction. \[Unclear\] what you’re talking about. Chair Sylvester: I think in general because it’s under the Attorney Generals’ footnotes about stratification \[unclear\]. L. Ashida: Footnote where? You got to help me out. Chair Sylvester: Yeah. OK. Unfinished Business: M. Bartell: So Tony, let’s go back to that one. Chair Sylvester: OK. M.Bartell: Lincoln I don’t understand. So you’re asking – I mean it’s pretty clear here in the ’78 Constitutional Convention game animals removed from the natural resources. L. Ashida: Where does it say that? Where did the Supreme Court say that? What case. Where’s the citation? I need that. I need it. M.Bartell: You need it, so… So you, I mean, OK, um, we go find a lawyer to research this for us? Is that what you mean? 5 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 L. Ashida: Yeah, I guess so. M.Bartell: I guess so…Isn’t that what Corporation Counsel, I mean don’t you have lawyers? L. Ashida: We can find someone. D. Yoshina: I think prior to the Con Con meeting with reference to game management \[unclear\] L. Ashida: That’s correct. Man: Yeah, game management is a natural resource... D. Yoshina: Yeah. And then after the Con Con that particular section was taken out and there’s some question as to whether or not that part was ratified. L. Ashida: I totally agree with what you’re saying. D. Yoshina: OK. So now… L. Ashida: Right, but it was never properly litigated because \[unclear\] for consideration… D. Yoshina: My next question would have been is that - has that ever been litigated? L. Ashida: No. No. D. Yoshina: In fact what we have now, if we read the constitution – it doesn’t have that – but there’s a footnote – so how much… L. Ashida: Zero…You don’t put any credence on a footnote. There’s a reason it’s a footnote. D. Yoshina: OK. So essentially what’s guiding the constitution today is that statement and that footnote is just something that… L. Ashida: They call it dictum. D. Yoshina: Yeah. L. Ashida: So actually your agenda, the statements erroneous, that’s an erroneous legal conclusion. That’s why I couldn’t find it. 6 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 D. Yoshina: So how is it possible for us get that thing back in? L. Ashida: You need an actual case of controversy because that’s exactly what the OHA keeps talking about. Land Court case of controversy. So you got to pick and chose – make sure you got something that the court’s gonna grant \[unclear\] and that’s the only way you’re gonna get guidance. D. Yoshina: \[Unclear\] B. Command: And just for clarification – Footnote is essentially there to tell you exactly what they’re saying. It was there, now it’s not there anymore that there’s some information saying…why.. L. Ashida: It’s saying it’s an issue – but then they are not going to decide it. I mean judges do that all the time – \[unclear\] an infirmity with respect to the Charter regarding our residency requirements \[unclear\] saying it’s unconstitutional but I’m saying it’s a problem. D. Yoshina: It’s a question, right? L. Ashida: You know what I’m talking about, right? D. Yoshina: Yeah, yeah. L. Ashida: It happens. D. Yoshina: Then how do we go about it? L. Ashida: I don’t know, man, it’s something very \[unclear\]. M.Bartell: So I mean I’m – so help a lay person here Lincoln. I mean it was in the constitution specifically mentioning game animals. Now it’s not in the constitution. So it went away in some way, shape or form. Yet, there’s statutes that require DLNR to manage game animals, right, I mean I don’t know if those two are related or if they’re not related. I mean, if it’s in the constitution we can push the state to manage ‘em. If it’s not in the constitution it’s a little tougher, maybe. Maybe not. I don’t know. L. Ashida: I don’t know. M.Bartell: You don’t know. So how do we find out? L. Ashida: I don’t know. I don’t know. I’m not going to make it up. I don’t know. M.Bartell: I mean one could – so Lincoln, let me ask you this, right. So I don’t, Tony, was it 183D or 182D or whatever it is. 7 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 Chair Sylvester: 183D. M.Bartell: 183D – it’s a statute, correct? Chair Sylvester: Yes. M.Bartell: It’s a statute and it clearly tells DLNR that they need to manage stuff – game, right? And game by our definition and by I would assume every hunter’s definition, you know, pigs, sheep, goats, access deer, game birds – game, right? Terrestrial game. I would sit here and look at this and say DLNR does not have a game management plan, they’re not managing ‘em they’re eradicating ‘em, I don’t know that they’re following the statute. Now a statute needs money placed against it in order to be I think – but they collect our hunting licenses, right, we all pay our hunting license, that’s money going into it. I mean, Lincoln, do I have a case against the state? Not that I’m even suggesting that we sue, right, I’m not. But do I have a case against the state? L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] I tell you this, if I did know I wouldn’t discuss it publically. M.Bartell: Pardon me. L. Ashida: I said I don’t know and if I did know I wouldn’t discuss it publically. M.Bartell: Got it. L. Ashida: That’s why we have executive session M.Bartell: Fine. Taken. All right. Understood, Lincoln, thanks. UNFINISHED BUSINESS: Chair Sylvester: Thank you, Lincoln. OK. Unfinished Business. We need a motion to form a special committee to work on issues within our county. At our last meeting Kalani, Ike and Mark volunteered to be on this special committee or ad hoc committee. Well I’m just saying if you guys want to form that committee make a motion to do that and pick either one or two items from this list or if you have another item you like and then maybe focus on one and keep one as a back-up in case it falls through and you have something else to work on. One of the things was this report to the County Council and that’s something that’s way overdue, we’re supposed to be doing it quarterly. I kind of spoke to Bobby (Command) about it and he said it doesn’t have to be that formal. That’s probably something that can be taken care of right \[unclear\]. 8 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 M.Bartell: So I’ll make the motion to form a sub-committee of Mark, Ike and Kalani to work with the County Council. Chair Sylvester: Have a second? W. Camara: \[Unclear\] Willy-Jo - second. L. Ashida: Be a little more specific on that. \[Unclear\] report to the County Council… Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\] B. Command: \[Unclear\] form a special committee. L. Ashida: It’s under unfinished business. This is a permitted inter-action group under Sunshine, OK.. B. Command: They can form the committee but they have to spell out which items they’re planning on discussing. L. Ashida: Yes. B. Command: And at this meeting… L. Ashida: Yes. B. Command: They can’t discuss it after this meeting? L. Ashida: Right. It’s a three meeting process. You have to identify scope. Second meeting is report back no deliberation. Third meeting is deliberation and decision making. Develop scope. B. Command: \[Unclear\] define what you want to do.. L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] B. Command: \[Unclear\] L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] just read it into the record. \[Unclear\] D. Yoshina: I second the motion. Chair Sylvester: OK. \[Inaudible\] 9 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 Chair Sylvester: Can we do that? \[Unclear\] we have to take the items and then vote on it. B. Command: Yeah, I think \[unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\] Vote on it and \[unclear\]. OK. All in favor? \[Unclear\] motion. K. DeCoito: \[Unclear\]. Read them all out. M.Bartell: Yeah, just read it into the record. Chair Sylvester: All right. The motion is to form a special committee to work on issues within our county this commission will consist of Kalani (DeCoito), Dwayne “Ike” (Yoshina), Mark (Bartell) and the committee shall undertake the following: Provide a report on the undertaking of the GMAC to the County Council per the commission Charter.. Follow public access projects that Jordan Jokiel had initiated with the County of Hawai’i and make a request and have a representative from the Hawai’i County Planning Department attend one of our meetings to address public access. Work with the County Council and develop a resolution asking for the State of Hawai’i to look into the endangered species list and then see and see if some species can be delisted and then work with the County Council and create a resolution or ordinance with the Hawai’i County requiring that the use of snares to trap pigs shall be checked every 24 hours. Action: M. Bartell moved to approve motion read above by Chair Sylvester; seconded by W. Camara and carried unanimously by voice vote. Chair Sylvester: Do you want to discuss any particulars? Hearing none, Ok, next meeting. OK. A request was made to find out if the area above tree planting road in the Waiakea Forest Reserve is schedule to be fenced. I’m putting that \[unclear\]. K. DeCoito: It seems like there’s a lot of fencing going on so gotta have some kind of \[Unclear\]. W. Camara: Yeah. Chair Sylvester: OK, part of that concern citizen asking about that…because it \[unclear\] close parts of that area \[unclear\]. \[Inaudible\] K. DeCoito: Actually, it’s supposed to be Kau side. \[Unclear\] July, in fact, right? 10 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 Man: \[Unclear\] close the road, you know? Man: Yeah. Man: But stay open this side. \[Unclear\] \[Inaudible\] Chair Sylvester: Willie-Joe (Camara) is to look into that. Ok. Item number 3, concerns have arisen over privacy issues with the use of hidden trail cameras in hunting areas. Is there any discussion on that? I don’t know what to say about that one. I guess apparently some pig hunters up in Palani side \[unclear\] scattering pigs all over the place \[unclear\]. \[Unclear\] privacy issues \[unclear\]. I don’t have the details. \[Inaudible\] Chair Sylvester: ….came to our last meeting and… M.Bartell: So, Tony. These cameras are on public land? Chair Sylvester: Yes. M.Bartell: And are they state cameras or are they people’s cameras or we don’t know? Chair Sylvester: No. M.Bartell: We don’t know. Chair Sylvester: No. K. DeCoito: See, that’s the thing they not going tell you. Out in Ka’u, guys was putting out. And guys was finding ‘em all over. \[Unclear\]. And guys started finding these cameras all over. Man: \[Unclear\] the infra-red blast \[unclear\] no one can see visual blast from anything. It gets pretty good resolution pictures \[unclear\]. K. DeCoito: \[Unclear\] the whole issue was nobody was notified that they had these things going on. Man: Some \[Unclear\] ranchers was finding ‘em. Man: Huh… 11 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 K. DeCoito: When it was like k- when they was driving their cattle and they come across one – what is that hanging and… Chair Sylvester: Well, I guess is there any level of privacy that you would expect if you go out in the wilderness and there’s cameras all over. I don’t know. I don’t know \[Unclear\] mainland. K. DeCoito: \[Unclear\] My whole thing was – the whole – the whole movie thing – one of the whole stipulations was they needed one OK to film, ah, the forest reserves or what have you. So isn’t that would be the same scenario? That it has to be, you know, publically advertised that we will be putting our cameras in certain areas – to notify the public of it being in existence in those areas so the public would know. M.Bartell: I guess if it’s a state camera taking pictures – I guess I’d have an issue. If it’s private citizens putting up cameras in public – game cameras – I’m struggling. You know I guess it’s – I don’t know. K. DeCoito: That’s the whole thing, right? Even if it’s personal – I mean – you can get one inter-action well OK somebody find my camera and it’s my camera and… M.Bartell: Yeah… K. DeCoito: Get these \[unclear\] in the forest \[unclear\]. Man: \[Laughs\] yeah. K. DeCoito: You know what I mean? Man: Yeah, I do. Man: \[Unclear\] you know it’s not like one \[unclear\]. Man: Right. Man: \[Unclear\] you like see how much game come in that area on your personal camera then if somebody else finds it… Man: Right, right. Man: It’s kinda like one big game, ah? I think so… Man: They’re supposed to get a film permit. B. Command: It’s \[unclear\]. 12 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 Man: No, this is the first time so we haven’t \[unclear\]. Man: To be, I mean, that should be addressed as a permitting thing. Man: Yes. Man: \[Unclear\] \[Inaudible\] K. DeCoito: \[Unclear\] pull ‘em out. Then I find this camera and I take ‘em \[unclear\]. It’s not a whole finders keepers thing \[unclear\]. \[Inaudible\] M.Bartell: Hey, Kalani (DeCoito) is it all in the same place? All the same forest? K. DeCoito: It was spread out throughout the whole area… The vigils were finding ‘em like all the way down to the beaches and stuff. M.Bartell: Huh… the property? K. DeCoito: A lot of ‘em. A lot of ‘em was Hawaiian Homes, a lot of ‘em was just because of the \[unclear\]. Man: \[Unclear\] K .DeCoito: Some of ‘em was… But some of ‘em wasn’t. L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] are they mounted? Chair Sylvester: It’s just like a flat box. It looks like a little larger than a cell phone \[unclear\]. L. Ashida: No kidding? K. DeCoito: ….you strap it with a secure… L. Ashida: Sounds like abandoned property to me, ah? K. DeCoito: Yeah! Exactly! K. Marks: Finders keepers. L. Ashida: Because there’s no reasonable expectation of privacy in open lands. \[Unclear\] 13 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 K. DeCoito: OK. L. Ashida: I mean I’m not suggesting anybody go out and do anything... \[Inaudible\] K. DeCoito: I not going worry. A lot of ‘em was stolen \[Unclear\]. L. Ashida: \[Unclear\] K. DeCoito: Some of ‘em was like near the beach. You know because of course… L. Ashida: That there was no identifying marks or anything? K. DeCoito: No, \[Unclear\] these guys know… L. Ashida: And they’re boxes like? \[Inaudible\] L. Ashida: Can you compromise the box? Can you open it? K. DeCoito: \[Unclear\] strapped to this \[unclear\] cable… L. Ashida: Oh, no kidding? Interesting. \[Inaudible\] S. Araujo: When I was with the Pig Hunters Hawaii we used to do forest rubbish clean-up. Hamakua guys used to do the same thing going through the forest you know all da kine litter that you see hanging around you should just pick ‘em up throw them in the rubbish can \[unclear\]. \[Laughter\] S. Araujo: It’s against the law to \[unclear\] litter. \[Inaudible\] K. Marks: I would suggest we get more information and definitely find out how many there are plot it on a map that and they got to be powered so they’ve either got solar panels or somebody’s coming back out there with a charger. They also have to be downloading some \[unclear\] check ‘em. There’s information on those cameras. You might just not know what you’re looking at. 14 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 K. DeCoito: It was, was, was… K. Marks: \[unclear\] K. DeCoito: Was these two individuals that was coming out and they was hired by the state and they were actually university. K. Marks: I want to know who’s funding it. Who bought the cameras, who’s paying for the solar panels, who is collecting the data? Who’s compiling? W. Camara: Oh, girl. That would be nice to know \[unclear\]. K. Marks: \[Unclear\] K. DeCoito: No, I would love to know that too. You know? K. Marks: OK. Chair Sylvester: Probably check with Big Island Invasive Species Council \[unclear\]. \[Inaudible\] Chair Sylvester: Please come to the mic please. R.Kohatsu: OK. Just thought I’d bring it up – but one time there was a lot of marker ribbons and stuff on Mauna Kea Forest Reserve area. It was just loaded. And I went in to see John Gibson with all the pictures that showed everything so our forest was starting to look like a sleazy used car lot on a holiday sale. We got to end this. \[Group Laughter\] R. Kohatsu: Well it’s true. \[Unclear\] But what it came down to – was anything that you put in a tree or anything for marking can any way, shape or form, has to be marked by the entity that’s putting it up and the date either that it’s gonna be pulled or the date that it went up and if there was a time span put on it – after that it’s fair game. So just FYI on that one. Chair Sylvester: And I did see a camera up on Mauna Kea. It was about five years ago. And they had a – up planting silver sword. I was sheep hunting and then we came back to the truck and took a walk over there and \[unclear\] everything so I go to the \[unclear\] room and then look at the silver swords and I’m p_____ and I’m reading the signs and reading what it is and then it says if you can read this sign you’re being data monitored. 15 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 \[Group Laughter\] Chair Sylvester: So it’s too late now. \[Group Laughter\] Chair Sylvester: So, I didn’t think much of it so than at our last meeting one of the guys that came said he was concerned. I guess he ran across some of them along the fence line and that’s \[unclear\]. B. Command: \[Unclear\] picture of a cat \[unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: Yeah. That was actually a video, but most of these are stills. Man: They can take so many shots per second \[unclear\]. \[Unclear\] Man: \[Unclear\] \[Inaudible\] Chair Sylvester: Ike speaking… D. Yoshina: Lincoln… L. Ashida: Sir… D. Yoshina: Executive session…I was wondering if you have a 2/3rds vote – L. Ashida: 2/3rds vote of all members who are present - how many members do you have today? Chair Sylvester: Five members. L. Ashida: So we need four to vote for the Executive Session. 80%. \[Unclear\] executive session but you state the reason on the record for the purpose of the Executive Session and \[unclear\]. D. Yoshina: So, to be fair \[Unclear\] This question that was asked about earlier… L. Ashida: If you want to discuss that privately you can give me - which I strongly recommend confidential direction in terms of what you’d like to go from here – \[unclear\]. D. Yoshina: \[Unclear\] till the next meeting. 16 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 L. Ashida: Yeah. D. Yoshina: \[Unclear\] L. Ashida: Just have it agendized for Executive Session. D. Yoshina: OK. \[Unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: Mark, did you hear that? M.Bartell: I did. Chair Sylvester: OK. L. Ashida: Let’s do that. That’s smart. That’s smart. You don’t want to be discussing legally what we’re gonna be doing for the whole world to hear. OK? Because that’s sort of like telling the other side, by the way, this is what we’re going to do tomorrow \[unclear\]. D.Yoshina: Um-hum. Thank you. Chair Sylvester: OK? Anything else on that? Short one. W. Camara: I had something else…Oh, I know what it was. Can we maybe \[unclear\] for the next meeting \[unclear\] who or I guess I’m wanting to know who might for the filming and stuff like that – where do people go to get these permits and is there an actual rule book for what can you film and stuff like that because of that film that I hear is being used – film the game – you know what I mean – they make us look like dummies now they going to make the people on Kauai look stupid. But I want to know how they’re coming up with their permits. And it doesn’t have to be on the agenda, I guess… but somebody enlighten me on how this happened… \[Inaudible\] K. DeCoito: It looks like more on the State level and the permits given but it wasn’t ok’d \[unclear\] and they proceeded without the authorization, yeah, because it was pending. W. Camara: I don’t know that’s why… K. DeCoito: So that’s why they had to stop the filming. R. Kohatsu: They never stop the filming. They said, all private land. \[Inaudible\] 17 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 K. DeCoito: Well that’s what the controversy said \[unclear\] but that was only for \[unclear\]. W. Camara: I guess my question is I want to be able to understand maybe a little bit more on the process. \[Inaudible\] R. Kohatsu: Hawaii State office – I guess DBED, I think. I’m not sure. There’s a memorandum of agreement with DLNR that \[unclear\] is required \[unclear\]. There’s a question for myself which was \[unclear\] You Tube and apparently, I guess, the Attorney General ruled that \[unclear\] therefore anything \[unclear\] also required \[unclear\]. Let’s say you wanted to go Hapuna Beach or something – film kids playing in the ocean – if you put it on You Tube do you need a permit \[unclear\]. Man: \[Unclear\] discussed that \[unclear\] in the past. R. Kohatsu: \[Unclear\] million dollar insurance. L. Ashida: Try say that again. What did the AG say? R. Kohatsu: The AG said it’s a device… L. Ashida: What is it regarding? R. Kohatsu: I don’t know it was - that was the language quoted to me. K. Marks: Because You Tube can be monitored. \[Inaudible\] K. Marks: You Tube \[unclear\]. You Tube is a free service where you can upload data, right? L. Ashida: Right. You have a letter or something. Can you forward it to me? K. Marks: I’ll have to find it. , It was a couple of years ago. L. Ashida: Mr. Chairman, can I ask…now I’m freaking out..now what K. Marks: You better not. \[unclear\] – You Tube is a free service where you can just up load it. You don’t have to pay for it. If your videos are popular you can monitorize it which means You Tube will pay \[unclear\] for our channels for those 18 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 videos to get ten or twenty or 100,000 views. You can get a few pennies on the dollar. L. Ashida: Who monitors You Tube? K. Marks: You Tube. Man: It’s usually \[unclear\] the monetary goes up – like those adds that come up on You Tube – if you click on it comes back. K. Marks: And sometimes if your video is popular enough \[unclear\]. Man: Yeah, but \[unclear\] B. Command: Are you talking about the commercials in it not… K. Marks: Yeah, that’s \[unclear\] it said on the bottom. There’s 2 levels. \[Inaudible\] L. Ashida: But when you upload something on You Tube don’t you have to – don’t you sign a waiver? That you waive in all proprietary interest in the material that you’re uploading? Man; \[Unclear\] L. Ashida: No, I mean, probably, but I don’t care. It’s gotta be… \[Inaudible\] L. Ashida: I read that \[unclear\] every day. \[Group Laughter\] K. Marks: \[Unclear\] How many million visitors in this state \[unclear\] every year… \[Inaudible\] R. Kohatsu: I think it also applies to taking photos as well. \[Unclear\] or things like that. Man: But it doesn’t have any like. \[Unclear\] It just says that you can get – be suspended \[unclear\]. Man: \[Unclear\] 19 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 \[Inaudible\] \[Laughter\] W. Camara: But with these films were they’re coming with a crew and it’s obviously with a whole network. You would expect to have some kind of permit. \[Inaudible\] R. Kohatsu: It’s the film office. I guess it’s a like maybe a DBED thing, I’m not sure… W. Camara: Yeah. R. Kohatsu: It comes with a big form you got to fill out and say why you \[unclear\] million dollar \[unclear\] and then you’ve got to have like what you’re gonna do cause \[unclear\]. W. Camara: Right. OK. \[Inaudible\] B. Command: \[Unclear\] if you watch reality shows there’s some reason \[unclear\] what’s happening \[unclear\]. Reality show is reality or fiction..is it real. \[Inaudible\] L. Ashida: Wrestling is real too. \[Inaudible\] R. Kohatsu: Right, right. No, no, no. I understand that not a comedy channel. B. Command: And some people \[unclear\]. R. Kohatsu: Right. But in this case I think \[unclear\]. W. Camara: Right, right, right. R. Kohatsu: \[Unclear\] something like that. L. Ashida: It’s a parody… W. Camara: And you know that it’s a reality show like \[unclear\]. \[Inaudible\] 20 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 S. Araujo: But the thing that they all have in common is they make millions! \[Inaudible\] Chair Sylvester: Okay, Ike (Yoshina)? D.Yoshina: \[Unclear\] Does this include still pictures? \[Inaudible\] K. Marks: If you post it on your face book that’s free, that’s OK. But if you print some \[unclear\] post card and sell it at the gift shop that’s not. If you’re on a history channel or \[unclear\] and you come over here \[unclear\] so if they screw up their permit they not only screw up your free channel \[unclear\] right, but everything under that parent company. Whereas, if you get it on You Tube channel \[unclear\] start another. So… L. Ashida: You can generally, my understanding, is that you can generally use things on the Internet and You Tube – in other words under what’s called a fair \[unclear\] – fair use doctrine – which is generally – purposes that are educational, civic, or otherwise non-commercial. That’s a general statement \[unclear\]. K. Marks: Yeah. L. Ashida: Is that what you’re talking about or? No? \[Inaudible\] K. Marks: Yeah, well, what they’re irritated about is in this particular show \[unclear\] right without all the proper permits and what have you and that escalated into and actual TV series \[unclear\]. L. Ashida: Oh, I see. K. Marks: And there’s no teeth at all. All you can do is \[unclear\] but you can’t make it stop. And \[unclear\]. B. Command: But I don’t think they weren’t happy about the permits – they were unhappy about the trial \[unclear\]. K. Marks: Exactly R. Kohatsu: Yeah. L. Ashida: Yes. Interesting. 21 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 R. Kohatsu: See how I look at it… K. Marks: \[Unclear\] I would have one outside the GMO plant, outside this building, and outside on public property all over the places. Because I would, I would. B. Command: They’re there already. \[Laughter\] R. Kohatsu: You got the camera \[unclear\] all the time. K. DeCoito: The whole issue with that movie is this – because that’s giving everybody one - this is what hunters are betrayed as… And to have this watershed protection coming and the whole water resource and pointing fingers as you see, you know, why should we listen to people like this? \[Unclear\] And that’s what this show is doing at least \[unclear\] what we doing. Because the more we try and say you know this is where we are, this is what we are \[unclear\]. Well, this show tells this – this is the problem. K. Marks: This is exactly what the issue is \[unclear\]. They have more reach, they have money they go further and last longer. K. DeCoito: So they allow something like that playing on, playing on because the ones that don’t’ know what hunting is about – our voters our community people that sees the whole – that know about the whole watershed protection with Jason Scott Lee and, you know, \[unclear\] got to be and you know this is what it’s all about. And that’s what makes our job harder. Because no matter how much we go and voice and no matter how intelligent or these biggest words we use because of that show makes us seem like this … (small). S. Araujo: That show is \[unclear\]. K.Marks: Is that…\[unclear\] S. Araujo: …because it’s not only a hunting thing because l \[unclear\] OK now \[unclear\] right, \[unclear\] communicating with each other – that make everyone of us in this room and on these islands ignorant. That is the portrayal of the people of the state – \[unclear\] B. Command: I don’t mean to prolong the conversation what about Hawaii 5-0. S. Araujo: Honestly, I don’t watch since McGarret went off. \[Laughter\] 22 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 Man: There is no McGarret 5-0. K. DeCoito: As far as 5-0 yeah everybody knows it’s a show but \[unclear\] justification of that one is like you know, it’s like Mike Sakamoto with his Fishing Tales, right, or Let’s Go Fishing. Everybody that sees it wants to come to Kona wherevers because it \[unclear\] I mean in a nice professional way. W. Camara: And I guess my concern is that, you know, I have my friends on the mainland and everywhere that call me and everybody \[unclear\] today and they’re not calling me and saying, “Hey! I seen you on that funny Joe guys this and that.” They’re calling me and saying, “Man, they really making you look like a bunch of savages over there, huh?” What’s up with this show? Where did this come from? Where these guys are? You know, we not like that. This all false. The perception amongst the world is watching all this. This suppose to be fun. \[Unclear\] like I said \[unclear\]. When I watch the history channel I’m watching it in that I might learn something I didn’t know. \[Unclear\] All the wars \[unclear\] \[Inaudible\] Chair Sylvester: Mark, you have something? M.Bartell: Yeah, I do. I’m just thinking New Business. Can we – are we talking about potentially next meeting’s agenda items? Chair Sylvester: Yeah, yeah. M.Bertell: You know we should do a legislative update, Tony. Chair Sylvester: OK, yeah. That’ll be good. We could have had one today but I don’t know anything right now. M.Bartell: No, no, no, no. But the session will be over, right? Chair Sylvester: Yeah. M.Bartell: The session will be over. We’ll know whether some of our legislative initiatives have passed. I think it’s also important, Tony, that we take a look at the reps and the senators – a look at the reps and the senators from the County of Hawai’i who supported us and who chose not to support us. OK? Cause we’ll be able to find out how they each voted, right? Cause we have some that are really pitching for us and I just want to make sure that we all understand who’s supporting our efforts and maybe those who are not. So I think as part of the discussion we should have that conversation as well. Chair Sylvester: OK. 23 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 M.Bartell: OK. B. Command: I’d just like to say something about – OK everybody in here – Tony’s been working very, very hard on this legislature and I just wanted to let you know \[unclear\] he’s putting in a lot of time \[unclear\] my effort \[unclear\]– you don’t have to do that stuff \[unclear\]. \[Unclear\] put in a lot of time, I just wanted to \[unclear\]. M.Bartell: I would second that. Tony has done a great job on the legislative front. And frankly, I think, as far as progress goes, if we’re gonna make meaningful progress that’s where it’s gonna happen,. So nice job, Tony. Chair Sylvester: Thank you. D. Yoshina: \[Unclear\] officer of the year Chair Sylvester: OK. Yeah, yeah. My term is up \[unclear\] D. Yoshina: \[Unclear\] I think you would because you know \[unclear\] L. Ashida: You’ve been drafted again. D. Yoshina: \[Unclear\] So, so \[unclear\] you need to \[unclear\] Chair Sylvester: I did once but I’m gonna ask you guys to do so again we have two open seats that we need to fill. B. Command: \[Unclear\] One is \[unclear\] and one is \[unclear\]. thth Chair Sylvester: 8 and 9 I think – are you 7 or are you 8? M.Bartell: What am I? th B.Kossow: Mark is 8. th M.Bartell: I’m 8! thth Chair Sylvester: 7 and 9. B. Kossow: District 7 (Portions of North and South Kona) and 9 (North and South Kohala is vacant. B. Command: This was Rob White and… 24 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 Chair Sylvester: Yeah, and Cleon (Bailey). If somebody can contact Allen \[unclear\] don’t know if he retired yet. I talked to Allen six months ago, yeah, never got to call him. There was Kyle Ikeda from Waimea he was with the Boy Scouts \[unclear\]. \[Inaudible\] B. Command: It’s gonna take a Charter amendment question on the ballot \[unclear\] it’s gonna be hard to fill the seats. \[Unclear\] You can make the recommendation, there’s no harm in that. \[Unclear\] and another part about that is \[unclear\] gonna say you can’t do that \[unclear\]. \[Inaudible\] S. Araujo: For the Kona one, try contact Miles Nakahara, he used to be Waimea office before for DOFAW – contact him. \[Inaudible\] Chair Sylvester: Others need to step in if I’m to do certain things, especially the legislative stuff I don’t mind handling doing that. But a lot of the other stuff you other guys are going to have to step in \[unclear\] especially with the county – County Council people and all that, I mean, it’s a whole other level of connecting people and doing things and all that stuff that takes time. \[Inaudible\] Chair Sylvester: Cause it’s like, you know, you get a day off - home and I go I got to do my stuff today – and I get a call from Malama Solomon’s office – like I’m in the middle of sawing lumber and now they’re asking you about legislative stuff and like…ah.. it’s the furthest thing on my mind – and you know I can’t even make sense of it and so it’s constantly, you know, during the session, and you just don’t know when you’ll get that phone call, yeah? Man: Yeah… Chair Sylvester: I think we’re gonna move forward Tom probably didn’t want to come because I was gonna ask that – anybody else want to chair or vice chair \[unclear\] where Tom can move into the chair and somebody volunteer as vice chair. \[Inaudible\] Chair Sylvester: It’s for the next meeting. And the reason why I say that \[unclear\] I’ll still be here - I figure I’m gonna come back for a full term \[unclear\] you know what I’m saying – I can’t be chair forever and do all the legislature stuff other 25 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 people need to step in and handle the work getting the agenda done – those kind of things. Man: OK. Man: I second it. B. Command: All in favor? \[Laughter\] D. Yoshina: I would like to have somebody from the Hawai’i County Planning Department come talk to us. B. Command: If you’d like to have Larry Brown come in – just go ahead and put that on the next agenda item. He’s already expressed his willingness to. Chair Sylvester: OK. \[Unclear\] B. Command: Just give him some lead time cause he’s \[unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: Should we have some specifics \[unclear\]. D. Yoshina: I’d like the general overviews and then I’d also like to hear because \[unclear\] what the issues are \[unclear\] taxes and then if it’s not too tentative to provide us with some suggestions as to how we can best address the issues that we talked about. B. Command: We’ll ask him… Man: \[Unclear\] Man: Yeah, definitely. \[Unclear\] but he knew… Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\] in fact we even drafted a letter to Mayor Kenoi. \[Inaudible\] Chair Sylvester: Yeah, that’s another thing. That’s not on – that \[unclear\] 750,000 that got pulled out – it looks like it’s only going to be 250,000 if it gets put back in. And part of that was to get \[unclear\] access and acquisition coordinator for the DOFAW. Man; \[Unclear\] 26 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 Chair Sylvester: I think I mentioned at the last meeting that \[unclear\] public recreational activities and animal control \[unclear\] and that kind of – Finance looked at that and said, “No.” Not enough money for it. Man: \[Unclear\] Chair Sylvester: Yeah. That sensitive \[unclear\] then we could get our acquisition coordinator so \[unclear\] lot of the successful bills \[unclear\] specific to that species and \[unclear\] it’s kind of just general so \[unclear\] opposition to \[unclear\]. \[Unclear\] All right, anything else? Mark, anything on your end? M.Bartell: I’m good, Tony. Chair Sylvester: Anyone in the audience two minutes more. Anything? Steve? Glen? OK. State your name. Man: My name is Glen Hisashima concerned citizen. I know what the GMAC was formerly for. It’s not that you’re not doing your job – you have to look at the world crisis right now. There’s a food that’s killing all the pigs on the mainland. Man: Right. G. Hisashima: Domestic. Cattle is not growing in the United States anymore. Everything is coming from Hawai’i right now. I looking at asking you folks we’ve got to protect the resources now. The pigs. Our pigs don’t have the disease yet. Man: Right. G. Hisashima: When it happens, what are you going to do? The price of pork is going sky high. And they’re even saying, “Don’t eat the bacon.” They don’t know if it’s transmitted from pig to humans and humans to humans. They don’t even know this scientific knowledge yet. Why are we waiting? They’re gonna – I look at the state – why we waiting for this to happen to us? Our resources, our pigs on our island, wild cattle and everything. You got it. Nobody paying attention to that. Chair Sylvester: No vaccine, virus is killing baby pigs. G. Hisashima: Yeah. They don’t make it past 2 weeks. You’re talking in the millions pigs dying. So now what we as a small island – we going be the first not to get \[unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: Spread over ….it’s 38 states. G. Hisashima: And in Hawai’i? Any? Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\] No 27 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 G. Hisashima: So why isn’t the Agriculture not doing anything about it? They going wait till it comes here? That’s the kind of message you folks need to be sending out. L. Ashida : Mr. Chairman maybe you could include that - Mr. Hishasima said on this – our next meeting agenda… Chair Sylvester: OK. L. Ashida: ….create the, I think the Councilmen would be very appreciative of our specific recommendations like this and you know and I think your function would be to research these issues and put together a very cogent report in a - the dangers than present it to the council and at that point put it with – give it to them. Glen, what district you? G. Hisashima: Who? The Island of Hawaii… \[Laughter\] L. Ashida: What council district you? Two or three… \[Inaudible\] L. Ashida: You know, you can also, you know, while we’re at it you know what you can do, seriously, I’m sorry, man, you finish… G. Hisashima: No, no. I just putting this concern because they don’t have a cure, pork prices going up, and they telling the human race not to eat processed pork. Is that message sent to anybody in the Hawaiian Islands? No. Look what has processed pork: SPAM, Vienna sausage, everything. So somebody got to bring that message out. Lucky you folks the right timing to make an impact – You guys worried about hunters concern. The hunting is a separate. I look at daily life – if we can protect the pigs maybe we can tell DLNR that’s our resource if all the pigs on the mainland going die. That going protect you folks self. D.Yoshina: I know you think it’s our job… G. Hisashima: Hum? D. Yoshina: Would you write a resolution to that effect? G. Hisashima: No, I not going write a resolution. I can give you the information. D. Yoshina: Yeah, we’ll write it. We’ll write it. 28 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 Man: \[Unclear\] \[Group laughter\] Man: You know what, he retired already. L. Ashida: Seriously… You really should – remember when this whole GMAC was formed in the campaign… Man: yeah. L. Ashida: One of the things that – and \[unclear\] remember what I said. Let’s keep this out of the Charter because of the difficulty that we’re gonna have amending it \[unclear\] way back \[unclear\]. I think we need to take this commission back to the Charter to \[unclear\] this election – the deadline for submitting legislation and put on the ballot for this November is probably like in May sometime. But what I’d suggest doing is right now you’re pegged to having only 9 members – one for each Council District. I think that’s seriously inhibiting for you. It should be like – just as an example – the Leeward Planning Commission and Windward Planning Commission – they have – they’re not peg to Council Districts but they’re peg to regions of the island: Hamakua, Hilo, Kona and then they have at-large members. So that way you’re not going to run into the problem: Gee, we have this one issue – we cannot find people – anybody. There might not be anybody that district you like work with, you know, but if we have an at-large system – like the way the planning commissions have – guys like Hisashima, you know, he like serve, I know, OK. D. Yoshina: He don’t want to draft. G. Hisashima: Huh? L. Ashida: No, everybody, just give ‘em one can Spam. \[Laughter\] G. Hisashima: I’m serving already on the Ethics Board, so… L. Ashida: Yeah, he services on the Ethics Board – but the idea is – you not limited to these structured positions and we should look at other changes that we should incorporate. I think, you know, what’s done is done, but perhaps the way that this was created wasn’t done in a way which properly anticipated the issues that we are now facing. I just throw that out but if you want to move on that you’ve got to move right away because we got to get it to – we got to make it a ballot question. I don’t know how you guys feel about that – you know you all are grandfathered in your districts but instead of like \[unclear\]… 29 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 Man: Three, it’s three… L. Ashida: OK. \[Unclear\] but instead of just going three: Waiakeauka, Kaumana like that – just say three guys from Hilo and three guys from Kona. Man: \[Unclear\] Man: District one. L. Ashida: District one is two guys from Hamakua; two guys Kau, Puna, three guys Kau, Puna. Something like that…You know that way you can – I know – I just thinking out loud. S. Araujo: Being a member of the public I did this – all of this before. I am not going to do it again! OK. I agree, I agree \[unclear\]. No, I agree with him because before we \[unclear\] the County Council used to have at-large positions. Those at- large positions – those guys could go around the island. OK. Not only for votes but they could, they had kind of like one reign with everybody. If this committee is prohibited to a certain section – I mean you kind of from a District 5 – where you go hunt in District 5. No more. \[Unclear\] Oh! \[Unclear\] L. Ashida: Listen, I just thought of something else… Man: \[Unclear\] L. Ashida: ….when you back in for a Charter amendment you should annex this specific department and put language there that there shall be adequate funds appropriated for the purpose of the GMAC. Put in a funding mechanism in place because that – bring it to the voters that way the county has to fund you. M. Bartell: Hey, Lincoln, this is Mark. I agree. L. Ashida: Yeah. M. Bartell: I think spot on, man. L. Ashida: Perfect. M.Bartell: I think that if we could get additional funding and a little wiggle room on members it would help. L. Ashida: This is what I’m suggesting, because as long as you communicate with me there’s no Sunshine Law problem. OK. So I would suggest that all of you just spend a couple minutes thinking about things you would like to see done differently with our board, things that you would like to see changed – doesn’t have to be the membership and the funding we just talked about – just email me 30 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 directly but don’t email each other. If you do I \[unclear\] to know about, OK? Just email me, I’ll put together a list – and I can work with the leadership of this group and \[unclear\] changes for you – you may not \[unclear\] the changes – but I’m – what are the kind of things in the last 2 years, problems that we’ve had – that we’ve encountered – that we can do away with in an amended charter. That’s what I suggest we do. I just throw it out… Man: \[Unclear\] L. Ashida: It’s totally up to you guys if you… \[Inaudible\] L. Ashida: But \[unclear\] we got to figure what department to be access – you cannot be access to the Mayor’s Office. OK, brah. Man: How come? L. Ashida: Got to be \[unclear\] \[Inaudible\] Man: Public access \[unclear\]? L. Ashida: Finance… B. Command: Public access is Planning. \[Unclear\] L. Ashida: No, Finance Bobby: Finance they manage properties. L. Ashida: Public Access Man: \[Unclear\] Enforcement. L. Ashida: Got to be \[unclear\] \[Inaudible\] S. Araijo: Yeah, OK. \[Unclear\] because according to the way we voted it’s not only game management but you also got to look at public access and resource management. \[Unclear\] 31 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 L. Ashida: I got to think about this, find a good home. Right now you have the Deputy Planning Director, you know, as your liaison, no make sense. We like you, but no make sense. Man: At large member. \[Laughter\] L. Ashida: That’s the other thing, you make it a charter amendment you can add at-large ex-offcio seats non-voting seats. You can do that, you can do anything. You can give ‘em the flexibility. Right now you’re just – there’s a legal noose around your neck - that’s the problem. Man: \[Unclear\] L. Ashida: And you got to turn them away. You got to turn ‘em away for five years \[unclear\]. Man: \[Unclear\] next week… Man: Yeah, yeah! L. Ashida: That’s why you guys got to get the suggestions to me – I’ll draft up something. I’ll attempt to get it introduced by request whatever the committee chair or with the council. But you got to give something to me. Need three readings - three separate readings on three separate days. W. Camara: So back to what we were discussing earlier as far as terms when you talk about Tony \[unclear\] he had mentioned he has a 2-year term. So there – more people who had 1-year – how do we go again and renew that. L. Ashida: You have to be renominated by the mayor and confirmed by the Council. For anybody that had a 2-year term or 1-year terms, you can be renewed for an additional 5-year term. Who had the 1-year term? Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\] Tom was nominated. L. Ashida: Lodge renewed the other day, yeah? And who had the 2-year \[unclear\]? Chair Sylvester: Me. L. Ashida: Only you? Chair Sylvester: Yeah, only me. 32 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 L. Ashida: So, OK, \[unclear\] you got to get the Mayor for re-nominating Tony. OK. Set him up... Man: Next year… L. Ashida: No, end of this year. Man: \[Unclear\] only be a year… M.Bartell: One year. \[Inaudible\] L. Ashida: No, the start date because the Charter created – this commission even if it wasn’t staffed on the second of November – the first November in 2012 you existed by operation of law. So if you \[unclear\] you have to physically serve 2 years legally you serve the day that the voters created this. See that’s the problem with the Charter \[unclear\] – that’s why I tell you guys during the campaign \[unclear\], excuse me, \[unclear\] out of the Charter cause this is the kind of problems we gonna have but there were political choices at the time and I guess brought you down that path, right? Chair Sylvester: Yeah. \[Inaudible\] L. Ashida: Whoever sits in Bobby’s (Command) position – keep an eye upon your term expirations. But you got to let us know too– we \[unclear\] and see that’s the other thing \[unclear\] Charter amendment. \[Unclear\] 2 Council districts \[unclear\] like Willie-Joe terms out after 5. He can come back on it as an at-large seat. You don’t lose him. Right now there’s a 2-year \[unclear\], one year \[unclear\] 2-year or a sit-out obligation, you got to sit-out for a whole term – which is 5 years. W. Camara: \[Unclear\] five years. L. Ashida: Yeah. So you got to wait 5 years before you can come back. W. Camara: Come back. Yeah, yeah, yeah… L. Ashida: Like if you have an at-large system you can just move into an at-large seat. You – meets the will of this group and subject to the Mayor’s nomination and subject to the consent of the council. \[Inaudible\] 33 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 L. Ashida: So, Tony, you guys, just send me stuff – I can work on it. Just get it – make it work. This is hard, you know, but I feel like we can get stuff done. K. DeCoito: Like what kind stuff like all what you just said. L. Ashida: Just do it \[unclear\]. \[Inaudible\] L. Ashida: I’m not Sunshine – just send it to me. You guys talk about it then you’ve got to agendize it. K. DeCoito: OK. Will do. M. Bartell: So, Tony, are we adding that at the next meeting as an agenda item? Is that your suggestion, Lincoln? \[Laughter\] Chair Sylvester: I think too late by then... L. Ashida: Put ‘em on just for \[unclear\] discuss it. But before that just send me the stuff – I’ll work on it. Chair Sylvester: We’ll send… L. Ashida: I need work… Chair Sylvester: We’ll have to send Lincoln our thoughts preferably in the next week. L. Ashida: Ah, yeah. By the weekend. W. Camara: This weekend so that he can draft up something so that he can so we can discuss on. K. DeCoito: Right on. ADJOURNMENT Action: W. Camara moved to adjourn the meeting; second by D. Yoshina and carried unanimously by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 7:58 p.m. 34 Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – April 21, 2014 Respectfully submitted by, Barbara Kossow Secretary ATTEST Anthony H. Sylvester, II 35