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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2014-03-24 Game Management Advisory Commission Minutes Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 Game Management Advisory Commission County of Hawaii Minutes Meeting Date: March 24, 2014 Time: 6:30 p.m. Place: CALL TO ORDER; At 6:38 pm by Chair Anthony “Tony” Sylvester. Quorum established. ROLL CALL: Per B. Kossow: Willie-Joe Camara, District 1 Dwayne “Ike” Yoshina, District 2 Anthony “Tony” Sylvester, District 3 Paul Bueltmann, District 4 - missing Thomas H. Lodge, District 5 Kenneth “Kalani” DeCoito, District 6 – missing (arrived at 6:41pm) Robert P. White – District 7 – resigned Mark C. Bartell – District 8 District 9 – Vacant Letter of resignation was received from Robert P. White. Quorum established. ALSO PRESENT : Bobby Command, Deputy Planning Director Lincoln Ashida, Corporation Counsel Barbara Kossow, Administrative Specialist APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES of February 24, 2014 T. Lodge: Correction to page 9 regarding Wildlife Revolving Fund – the mandate of the revolving fund is to use the wildlife revolving fund money for any matching Pittman-Robertson funds. Yet, when you do that Pittman-Robertson I know that money is un-able to be used for game mammal enhancement. Is there any way that you propose to increase or to bring in additional funds in there that would be free from that responsibility? For game animal enhancement, basically, cause when you match it, it can’t be done for that. 1 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 Action: W. Camara moved to accept the minutes as corrected; seconded by T. Lodge, and carried unanimously by voice vote. PUBLIC TESTIMONY ON AGENDA ITEMS: None VI. REPORTS/SPECIAL COMMITTEE/PRESENTATION: 1. Update on 2014 legislative bills. Chair Sylvester: Willie-Joe please give us a quick report on the legislation session and then I’ll drop in with a couple of things. W. Camara: We have – or we had five bills proposed and introduced into the legislature this session. H.B. 1901 is still alive and is at the senate - now. 1901 is the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact task force has to do with if people come and want to get a hunting license here in the state and they are not able to get licenses in other states ‘cause criminal violations \[unclear\] they won’t be able to do it here either. There’s probably a lot more to this than just that, but for me, that’s the gist of it. H.B. 1903 Outdoor Heritage Month – is scheduled to be heard tomorrow – the th 25 – the month of June become Outdoor Heritage Month in the state and maybe we can celebrate our forest and ocean and all that – everything in outdoors. H.B. 1905 the Families Afield’s bill that Tom (Lodge) had introduced. DLNR to give out apprentice permits for young children and I think we actually amended to add all ages of people, right? T. Lodge: No. All ages were added. Chair Sylvester: To clarify a little more. W. Camara: Okay. It died this session – but I would like to see us try again on that ‘cause I think that’s an important bill. H.B. 1907 establishes life long hunting license for disabled veterans with Purple Heart – all Purple Heart recipients can have pretty much a free hunting license in the state of Hawai’i. That one is at the Senate at the Water and Land – WTL? Chair Sylvester: 1907? It’s not military affairs? 2 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 W. Camara: OK. I could have sworn he told me it was Water and Land. But anyway… It’s sitting somewhere over there so hopefully it’s gonna get heard in the senate before the end of the session. H.B. 1902 - No Net Loss. No Net Loss has gone all the way through the House, through the first – through Water and Land, in the Senate, not by any means perfect. Chair Sylvester: Perfect, yeah, but we’ve discussed that with the mayor today too and he said we need to support it and see what happens... it is part of the process. W. Camara Man: Oh, great, yeah, that’d be good. You know Representative Evans has really helped us a bunch this year. You know if you see her around or send her a note – her and her staff have done a lot to, for No Net Loss and all of these.. Chair Sylvester: And with that I have a list of the senators for it’s got to go to the Ways and Means so it would be nice if you give each person a call or an email asking them to continue to support H.B. 1902 SD1. T. Lodge: All of us should do that. Chair Sylvester: Yeah, it is a good way for us to get exposure and let them know who we are – that there’s active people in the community. I found that a lot of times our legislators just don’t know. I mean we have not been active for a while and they just come around and we can stomp our feet and say what are you guys doing – you know what I mean just behind – but a lot of that is our fault because they just don’t know – if people don’t say anything you’re not gonna know either. So I think that’s something we can all unify on – even with the hunting community and all that – we have great support from a number of people but we got to encourage them to talk to family and friends – get them set up to give testimony and do things, you know be positive about things because it’s, like I said, some of them just don’t know but they are ready to help or hold balance or compromise or at least respect our position on things. And I think that alone is valuable you know and as we grow and make things better. It’s just we have to get unified with all the different hunters and users too every one of these policies it’s gonna directly affect the wider community as well. And I’ve also tried to meet with the Big Island Fisheries Council. We need to work together – it’s been far too long – it’s been us against them and it’s a push and shove – I guess for the hunters we feel like we’ve been pushed for thirty years – pretty bad and I think clarifying some of the acreage that – they say we have 900,000 acres to hunt and that’s something that we’ve tried to push on the legislature this year that that’s not true. They designate the areas as hunting but when you look at the caldera of Mauna Loa where it’s - you know it’s 200,000 acres of lava rock. I mean it’s hardly a habitat for hunting. That used to be the punch line from a lot of the people that opposed what we were doing – that we have all these areas to 3 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 hunt – when you and I know in reality when we’re out there that it’s not, not necessarily that. I mean far from it and then with the loss of area like Mauna Kea for mammal and Manuka for goats it’s gonna really limit the areas that are available and open throughout the year for a particular types of hunting. And then you get the watershed on top of that so, and in our last meeting was one of the main things that I was trying to point out to Lisa Hadway – when they did this watershed plan, why wasnʻt Mauna Kea included of that 78,000 acres including Kaohe and the mitigation parcels and all that – that should have been counted for part of the watershed as total acreage because it’s 90,000 more of our state land and then I think it’s another 390,000 across boundaries which would be Kamehameha School and other landholders and things like that. Our State lands are prime hunting and watershed. I mean Mauna Kea is a big watershed so I don’t know why they didn’t include that as part of their governing of the watershed ‘cause that would have taken care of a lot of these problems right there. They would have to look for only 30,000 acres and I think the hunters would have easily accommodated that - but 90,000 is a hard amount - quite a bit so… Does anybody else have anything else to say on this? W. Camara: Yeah. And those five are the five that we’ve been supporting. There’s been a couple that we actually did oppose and with the help of the public and everybody too, we did get stopped, so, on that same note… I mean… Chair Sylvester: There’s things to look out for too.. W. Camara: Yeah. Your testimonies have been heard. Chair Sylvester: H.B. 1902 or 1904 was one of them, that was the money for eradication – which was under native species control which all invasive species bills are specific to fire ants, coqui frog or whatever, and that one was put in as a blanket for education, outreach and control, but didn’t specify what you’re gonna educate and outreach and control. So for us it’s just a blanket and one slipped in there for whatever use. W. Camara: I think it was HCR98 – the one for the pigs. Chair Sylvester: Yeah, there was a House resolution. W. Camara: And there’s one getting heard tomorrow. Chair Sylvester: HCR98 that was also to join forces with the Department of Agriculture and Agro Business Corporation or something like that to find a strategy to remove pigs and it was quite interesting that the Dept. of Agriculture didn’t want nothing to do it – it was in their testimony they were like \[unclear\] don’t get us involved in that. A lot of that was in reaction to 1902, I believe, and then there’s one in the senate right now also… 4 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 W. Camara: Another Resolution…SCR143 Chair Sylvester: ….SCR143 That one is – that one is really dangerous, scary. Cause if you read it, it looks like somebody frantically put that together cause it talks about coqui frogs and then it talks about our game animals and then in general it talks about non-native species – so in my opposition testimony is so what’s next – can we bring livestock to Hawai’i because that’s not a native species – and that’s what this thing would do – and the federal they wanted to create a federal program of whatever to prevent non-native – the importation of non-native species to Hawai’i and then a part talks about insects and animals and everything so I thought that was pretty scary because now we got people that import animals for 4-H, for livestock purposes: meat, dairies, you know, whatever. Without them thinking that this is the kind of thing that’s gonna be affected if you start doing stuff like this – so… W. Camara: That one’s gonna get heard tomorrow… Chair Sylvester: Yeah. That one’s getting heard tomorrow. And it’s just a joint resolution but – still yet – it shows you that lawmakers – their frame of mind – if they’re being bombarded by you know aggravated environmentalists because we have some bills in the legislature that they’re trying to act like they’re helping and doing something – I don’t know – it just doesn’t make sense. When you read those kind of bills it’s just haste - HCR98 was the House one. SCR143 is the senate version. W. Camara: SCR. I think it’s 143… Chair Sylvester: OK. Why don’t you talk a little about that, Tom (Lodge) T. Lodge: That HCR 98 – you know for years environmental community, DLNR, your friends over at the Fish and Wildlife Service have all been talking about that the pigs that came to Hawai’i were very very small pigs and weren’t these pigs that we see in the forest today. And it turns out that there’s a lot of evidence to the contrary and William Aila for the first time actually changed his testimony to acknowledge that – that these pigs now are not little bitty, tiny pigs that came over. And I think that’s kind of significant because we’ve been hammering them on that and there’s been a lot of testimony that’s gone in over the last few months to them about pigs and evidence of how big these pigs were. And you know the fact that when Cook came here and so there’re only Polynesian pigs, so to speak, when Cook got here – they were selling pigs for one fathom…for a nail and for fish hooks and other things - barrel steel – they would measure the barrel steel and whatever the length of that pig was from its snout to the end of its tail that’s how much steel that they got. And so those are not little 80 pound pigs. So they’re starting to acknowledge and they’re starting to change their – I don’t think 5 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 it’s any good but – they’re beginning to have to admit that a lot of this stuff is not accurate. Chair Sylvester: And I’d like to add to that – I’ve been talking to a friend of mine in the Hawaiian community active in things and they say that regardless of that – the pig size or whatever – you know back even if they raised them in corrals hundreds of years ago – they were the tenants of the land and they had lands that they could do that – but they don’t have that anymore – so pigs they have to go to the forest to still do that – not everyone can raise pigs anymore – obviously – so for a cultural person or native Hawaiian person where are they gonna get the pig now. They don’t have a stone corral they can go and get one for a ceremony or whatever – that land is taken away whatever – I don’t want to get into all that but – so forest is where they are still able to do that and I think that’s st a legitimate claim because they are living in the 21 century, they don’t have to be living like they did 500 years ago or whatever – they can still have their culture and traditions but have modern techniques – hunters and gathers and so forth… T. Lodge: Well I actually, I think that we shouldn’t be spending all night on this thing but they did let pigs loose into the forest and they just wandered off \[unclear\] but they’re saying that the pigs, though, the fact that we had small pigs is not genetic – it’s their diet. You know they were feeding them ulu and sweet potato and coconut and they weren’t getting any protein. And so that’s why they were small. And the other thing too, about archaeologically speaking, at these digs at these sites that they get – when they killed the pigs – they generally killed younger pigs and so that’s where all the archaeological stuff is coming from – from younger pigs – not from full grown pigs. So… (Discussion) W. Camara: Senate bill. That’s the one that had – that is the DLNR’s budget package – that one is where the 750,000 for game management quote unquote… Chair Sylvester: Remember last month we talked about that comprehensive game management that DLNR was working on the 750,000 that they were supposed to get for that… W. Camara: But that is - apparently has since been removed – they removed that 750,000 from that funding. But in talking with Jordan and Rep. Evans – they seem to think that we should continue to support it – and in the hopes that by the time the session is over it’s gonna be back in there again. You know, when you put in your support testimony you need to support the 750,000 for game management specifically, you know, because it’s got all kinds of stuff, there’s the $11 million for the watershed that’s in there too and apparently that got taken out. But according to Jordan they did that last year and then by the end of the session 6 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 they got $7.9 million – so he said it’s not over until it’s over. Yeah. So, you know I was ready to pull the plug on it but he seemed to continue to try and support it. T. Lodge: In the senate… W. Camara: Yeah, Senate bill…. T. Lodge: And that would go over to the House already? W. Camara: It’s in the Senate, that one… It’s passed the House already. T. Lodge: Oh, it did? From the House to the Senate? W. Camara: I’m sorry, I don’t know… T. Lodge: Did it… W. Camara: What is that? That 1,700 does it just go directly to the Senate? It didn’t go through the House. Chair Sylvester: But there’s two, \[Short Discussion – too many talking at once\] W. Camara: It may have went through the House already then… I’m not sure Tom, I’m sorry. Chair Sylvester: There’s one in the House and the Senate and they both cross over… W. Camara: Yeah, I’m sorry, I don’t know… Chair Sylvester: It was in the House Finance where it got thrown out - no, it just got thrown out a few weeks ago. W. Camara: OK. th Chair Sylvester: In fact it was March 13 was the day it was at the House Finance… \[Discussion\] Chair Sylvester: No, it got thrown out. Yeah, and I’ll read what happened. That 750,000 for that comprehensive plan that fancy thing that Lisa Hadway was displaying and all that and then the money it was kind of a breakdown of what the money would be used for and that was 7 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 the request. But it says, what they had listed there as a line item budget, I guess, under the Governor’s package was to develop outdoor recreational opportunities such as hiking, biking, equestrian riding, off-road vehicle use, hunting and camping to residents and visitors of Hawai’i. To maintain public hunting programs, outdoor recreation and control game animals in watershed areas. To inventory, document ownership and restore historical trails and non-vehicular old government roads for public use where it’s feasible and culturally appropriate. Somehow that whole packet was supposed to be in the $750,000. So I mean I don’t know if they have to do it that way just to be inclusive or if it was just another way for them to get more money… T. Lodge: \[Unclear\] for a manager \[unclear\]. Work on it, if this turns out to be (unclear). Chair Sylvester: Yeah, a strategy \[unclear\]. W. Camara: Yeah, that’s why that was there so… I don’t know, I’m not telling anybody you’ve got to support it or not. That’s just what I was told. So… Chair Sylvester: Yeah. And I did support it initially because that’s… W. Camara: Yeah. Chair Sylvester: And now, after I see it, I go oh… Now that I’m supporting control game animals in watershed areas. But in mind I thought OK well maybe they’re talking about the cattle hunt so they can open up for the cattle hunt. W. Camara: Right. Chair Sylvester: up in that area, which I’ve heard that its pretty bad forest there. When that kind of stuff happens it give us a black eye for everywhere else because that’s where they can go take their pictures and say this is what the animals are doing to the forest and then you replicate that you know like it’s happening everywhere the pigs are and so whatever…, I think that’s something that from eye witnesses that has seen the place in there that all cattle hold up in Hawaiian Homes land and I guess it’s at night or whatever and then come back down in the forest during the day, you know, they hide in the forest during the day and then the underscore getting all eaten and trampled. Several thousand cattle going… T. Lodge: \[Unclear\] W. Camara: Yeah, the do pretty much. T. Lodge: \[Unclear\]. They will not even use the word cattle drive anymore. \[Unclear\] 8 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 W. Camara: Yeah. I mean they do, but yet… Chair Sylvester: We couldn’t get that… W. Camara: We cannot get too far with it. Chair Sylvester: In front of (Senator) Malama Solomon last Monday…I mean… I was sitting across the table from DLNR and they would not commit to a game management plan. D. Yoshina: If you look at the HRS and the constitution they talk \[unclear\] management shall be done dah, dah, dah. \[Unclear\] M. Bartell: Chair, please push the mic in front of Ike. D. Yoshina: You should watch carefully the joint House and Senate resolution related to the importation of non-invasive species. Cause any time you have a joint resolution that means both sides are interested. T. Lodge: You know one of the reasons why like HCR 98, for example, what’s bad about the HCR – when I talked to I think it was Onishi’s office – he said, oh, no, this is the positive for the hunters because what they want to do is give you an opportunity to provide game management. And but nowhere in that bill do they talk about management. No where in that bill do they talk about any of the items. They don’t talk about actions. All they talk about is control of the pigs in the forest period \[unclear\] organizations. But joint resolutions, like you said, is bad news because it gives DLNR the opportunity to say well you know we’re all bringing under the full phase, the forest – the House and Senate they want us to get rid of these animals and that’s, and they’re going to, it doesn’t matter what else we come up with, they’re gonna say, hey! Because they want these animals out of here and you know both the House and the Senate have told us to so… \[Unclear\] M. Bartell: Just a comment, right, I mean we, we… I think one of the issues that this group wrestles with for a long time - game management plan, right. Chair Sylvester: True. M. Bartell: And the lack of one. And to a large extent, all this legislation and you know you worked on it, I worked on it, a lot of people worked on it and thanks for working on it – but a game management plan would solve a lot of this, right? I mean all this invasive species stuff – and DLNR will not, will not say is the pig an invasive species or are they not? Malama Solomon will not say if the pig invasive species or isn’t it. Right? No, but a game management plan forces the state to say the pig, the sheep, the goat, the axis deer, the game bird is a 9 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 renewable resource that we need to mange in perpetuity for us, our kids, our grandkids and their grandkids. Right? It forces them to make the call and whether this is – they’re gonna treat a pig like a coqui frog or are they gonna treat it like a renewable resource. And I think fundamentally they have yet to ante up – nobody in DLNR – William Aila included – Lisa Hadway included – everybody included will not give you a straight answer on whether they consider these game animals are a renewable resource or not. And I think what we need to do and continue to focus on is to force the state to have that discussion, right? We need to force them to have that discussion. And I think we need to force senators to have that discussion and congress people to have that discussion so we know who’s friend and who’s foe. And we’ve done 100,000 times better than we did last year, right, and we need to continue to get better at the legislative session. But a game management plan will force the state to have this conversation. Is the pig a coqui frog and a fire ant, which is an invasive species that nobody wants, or is it a renewable resource that people count on to feed their families? Right? And right now they have not declared what it is. W. Camara: Right. M. Bartell: And we just got to keep pushing the ball down that road, right? And the reason William Aila won’t have a conversation about a game management plan is for that a reason. And the reason Lisa Hadway won’t have a conversation about that is for that reason, right? And what we need to do is we need to get our senators and our congress people to have that conversation to say the pig, the goat, the sheep, the axis deer, the game birds, are not invasive species. They’re a renewable resource that we as a state need to manage on behalf and for the benefit of the people of this state. And a game management plan does that. So with all the dialogue and all the rancor around it – I mean you still can’t get anybody at DLNR to say what’s the pig, right? W. Camara: Right. M. Bartell: And we just got to keep pushing on that issue, right? D. Yoshina: \[Unclear – then comes to mic\] …to identify those animals as game animals. And the other thing that we have to I think be careful of is to not to debate when DLNR folks tell us that it’s the federal government forcing them to do something, you know, because I think it’s just a red herring to pull us away from the fact that, or those facts that Mark (Bartell) has talked about. However, there is this question for clarification needed to really try to ascertain what the federal requirements – the parameters of federal requirements are for the state and it’s my opinion that many times the federal laws as they are applied or misapplied in the state really cause us some problems. So as Mark says we’ve got to talk to congressmen. We can’t –we should be talking to the Congressmen because there are types of laws that are often held up as an example to why the state cannot do something… 10 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 M. Bartell: You know I… Ike, when you’re done, I got to jump in, sorry… D. Yoshina: OK. So what I’m trying to say is we have to be clear as to where the federal laws are and where their reach goes to and where the state laws are and where those reach to. And I think we have to be very clear as to what we’re going to do about that. But on the other hand we have to be condescend on the fact that the federal laws – the federalization of the state did happen – so we cannot disagree with them… Man: Self-inflicted. D. Yoshina: Yes, but, if you look at the history of this – the federal, yeah, it’s self- inflicted many times. Mauna Kea didn’t happen because the state did something – it happened because the state did nothing. W. Camara: Yeah. M. Bartell: So, Ike (D. Yoshina) great comments. Let me give you two cents, right. There’s people in this room that have actually talked to U.S. Fish and Wildlife – Fish and Wildlife has seen a video of William Aila blaming Fish and Wildlife for no game management program. Fish and Wildlife would openly disagree that Fish and Wildlife is responsible for no game management program. The state owns 90% of the lands in the islands. The feds own only 10%. We’re responsible for managing 90% of all land mass in this state. The state has the responsibility to put together a game management plan for that 90%. The state is openly aware of where the critical habitat is – there is no excuse for the state not to have a game management plan for this – for our island and for every island. Right? The state has continued to use the federal government as an excuse not to do this. And we got to hold them accountable for that. No ifs, ands or buts. Right? W. Camara: Yeah. M. Bartell: This is from U.S. Fish and Wildlife, right? They’re saying I don’t know why you guys don’t have a game management plan, we’re not holding it up. And that’s conversation within the last couple weeks. Right? So it’s not federal issues. It’s the state issue. And that’s why I think we just got to continue to push. The state doesn’t want to declare these game animals as non- invasive species and we’ve got to force them to do that. We need to know where the state stands. Our legislative effort is awesome. We just got to keep it going. Am I accurate? D. DeCoito: So it’s like – more like to me what can we do on the county level. OK. We talked to federal we talked to state. But yet this is a county commission. 11 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 So how can we address that ‘cause county business. So I feel like Saddle Road right now its Senator Inouye road or what have you. But Saddle Road is a county made improvement road – that is access to us to \[unclear\] – Palani same thing. \[Unclear\] is too. County maintains the road for that accessible watershed area. So how can county talk to the state – planning – what have you and say, hey, wait. We pave those roads not was for tourist for go up Mauna Kea, tourist go cut short from Hilo to Kona. Basically, that saddle was for one reason – and they went improve that road. At the county level – OK – county now what? OK. You want access you went get but it’s like a state forest reserve going to where? County road development, county tax payers improved that saddle road. \[unclear\]. D. Yoshina: Kaumana Drive is a county road. K. DeCoito: Yes. But for us South Point that’s all county. County went improve that whole South Point Road going down. Man: the Highway, the highway \[unclear\]. K. DeCoito: The state, yes. Man: \[Unclear\] put the sign – “End County Road.” \[Unclear\] K. DeCoito: But up till that point it’s county… To that checking station of \[unclear\] South Point \[unclear\]. M. Bartell: Eh, Kalani! Kalani, just for the minutes’ purposes Barbara needs to know who is speaking right now. K. DeCoito: Oh, sorry. M. Bartell: No, I know you’re speaking – we can’t see who else is speaking. Who’s speaking? Chair Sylvester: Steven Araujo M. Bartell: Thank you. K. DeCoito: I just don’t get it. What at the county level is the county commission do as far pushing for state. What can the mayor do, what can the planning do? What can we do as far as access to these areas? In my area, what I trying to get to is – Planning telling these people who buy big land and that these roads accessible for hunters and keep it that way and not gate ‘em, fence ‘em or \[unclear\] Bishop Estate \[unclear\]. My question is we going fight these laws, fight these laws, fight these laws \[unclear\] and that’s all we’ve been doing for years and years and years and years. One of these transportation one if I’m not 12 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 mistaken that’s a Louisiana law that they went pass way back when for transporting our game. T. Lodge: \[Unclear\] One of the things that – like 1902 Gilbert \[unclear\] creates a commission – \[unclear\] commission for the state and so through efforts like that then we’re affected. This commission’s gonna have two from this island one for Maui, Molokai and Lanai will have one, Oahu will have one, Kauai will have one. \[Unclear\] commissioners – this will be \[unclear\] through the DLNR – get involved with hunting issues and these are the ways that we’re able to be effective to what we’re doing – that’s what we are doing and we are making some headway. We haven’t won everything we’ve been asking for but when these guys went \[unclear\] Mark and Cindy Evans – they’ve forged a lot of relationships that have actual paid off for us. So I think these efforts are working, I think, in my opinion. I think that we need to continue the effort. Mark keeps saying we need to be hammering these people on these issues and we do, you know Ike, it brings up something. In our constitution originally game animals are a natural resource, you know, it’s out and we’re trying to get it back in but it’s… Chair Sylvester: 1978…Con Con had a whole bunch of things that were removed but it was never ratified. So there are some case notes from there that says if it didn’t change the intnet that it didn’t get ratified and so forth so \[unclear\] so that means game animals still written as a natural resource. Man: \[Unclear\] Laughter \[Discussion\] Man: \[Unclear\] last few times on different islands and everything. \[Unclear\] \[Discussion\] Man: Let you folks know that the Daniel K. Inouye Highway wasn’t for the watershed – it is for a quick response for Pohakuloa to Kawiahae Harbor– like go Honolulu the H-3 the wrap around unclear. Coming back to what can the county do. I read the constitution – The constitution says DLNR shall manage all natural resources for trustees and the people of who - Hawai’i. So I remember meeting to Dan Inouye and said why don’t we sue the state - share responsibility. They’re not upholding the constitution. \[Unclear\] coming back to that \[unclear\] I don’t care what you guys think \[unclear\] you folks tell me I been always talking on this word \[unclear\] Hawaiian language. That is all our responsibility you folks looking at legislative bills what about the tax on all imported items. I asked the question – imported from China \[unclear\] the United states too. Everything, why? 13 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 Now come back to you folks with all thing - where’s the fishermen in this? Fishing license \[unclear\] give us all \[unclear\] fishing license. The constitution says \[tape End Side One\] coming to the County. The county wants state park – Manuka State Park – they go give ‘em – they want Hapuna Beach. Want all the small boat harbors. They cannot manage the island – why take other responsibilities? I question this commission. Where the fishermen? All I hear is for game management. Chair Sylvester: Yes, we’ve actually been working with them. It’s just that they realize now that – I worked with Nakani Christianson – and Theresa Nakama – and they’re at a big disadvantage because they’re way less organized than we are and that came from them. They have a lot more people but they’re just not organized. Man: I understand that this is a county commission for the people. I don’t care you one hiker, bike rider, guys that walk the trails or go picking in the forest. I seen too much things that DLNR did and I don’t trust them. M.Bartell: Hey, Tony! Let me – you know I think that the way that this commission was put together – it represents a really broad swath, right? You know hunters, fishermen, gatherers, you know, native rights and that is a huge task to take on, so for the people in the audience what the group has decided is we’re going to focus on hunting issues first, once we get the hunting issues taken care of we’ll expand. You may like it, you may not like it, but to the extent that we try to focus on the entire gamut that was laid before us, we’re unlikely to get anything done. So we’ve chose to focus on hunting. I don’t know if that’s an acceptable answer to you, but that is the answer. And there are fishermen in this group. I fish about 150 days a year and you know to the extent that an issue comes up that’s warranted then I’ll chime in, but there are fishermen in the group, but we’ve chosen to focus so we can try to get something done as opposed to try to solve every issue on that long laundry list. So, again, you may agree, you may disagree, but it’s a cognizant choice that we’ve said we’re gonna focus on hunting to begin with. As we solve some of the hunting issues we’ll take on fishing; we’ll take on hiking; we’ll take on whatever other issues arise. Chair Sylvester: OK. Thank you, Mark, yeah, and then if we look at our Unfinished Business we actually have a letter – it’s gonna be dealing with those water issues. Any further comments or… Steven: May I address the issue help Tony? Answer his questions. Chair Sylvester: Go ahead. State your name. Man: I’m Steven. On your County Council commission kind of thing \[unclear\]having to do with access – OK \[unclear\] all other county commissions – you have county planning, you have the Windward Planning, you have 14 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 Leeward… OK, when this commission pull through, number one you need to submit a final readings \[unclear\] …something like we the commission have found that access being blocked and denied and all of that, OK, now we come out with something like OK, this commission will attend the Leeward Planning Commission and the Windward Planning Commission – your job will be to look at the access OK block this access mountain to the ocean now you can comment to that commission, OK? You can also \[unclear\] county resolution stating \[unclear\] County Council that before a land can be developed or sold out private property like that – the accesses have to be open. If they put that into the county law… K. DeCoito: And that’s, you know Stephen - that’s what I’m trying to get at exactly. Steven: But the point is… K. DeCoito: At the county level we can do that \[unclear\] everything is implemented and in place and so \[unclear\] when you go to this kind of legislative things with the state and federal at the county level we got all this in place and we can show for it. \[Unclear\] And just… Steven: Yeah, the point is you can avoid the lawsuit, you going to avoid the lawsuit number one because going cost you dollars. K. DeCoito: Yeah, but what I’m saying is not by us. All we can do like I said that kind of planning, that’s what I’m trying to say. Steven: Like they say in the old days - nip it in the butt in other words stop it before it happens you do not have a problem . So by working with the commissions and the planning directors and all that – right – OK. The access going \[unclear\] create one new access or develop an access to the place, OK. \[Unclear\] eliminate the problem, you do not have a problem because the commission \[unclear\] ordinance, in the code and stuff – access has to be provided to the mountain to the ocean. You see what I am saying. Before the can do a hotel the road gotta be in the trail gotta be open…this will prevention this kind of …. K. DeCoito: This is right where I stay. That’s why I’m saying when you go up to Honolulu, fly Honolulu for push for these bills – I mean push – the \[unclear\] commission we work with the other commissions to have this \[unclear\] whether it’s access, whether it’s \[unclear\] So now what we need from you guys to address this bill stating … look, how can you guys \[unclear\] this bill \[unclear\] This gotta be done \[unclear\]. Well something has to be amended and bring back with changes because we have them implemented in place. Steven: Right. 15 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 K. DeCoito: But that’s what \[unclear\]. How can this commission get to that level of working with other commissions with Planning and what have you – Ways and Means – and get that established on a county level. Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\] Everybody got to get involved. K. DeCoito: \[Unclear\] everybody got to be aware of what is going on \[unclear\] whatever. \[Unclear\] \[Discussion\] D. Yoshina: I just wanted to say a couple of meetings ago we were talking about a public access to some Kohala developments and at that time we had requested Corp Counsel to provide us a briefing on public access because the discussion was kind of getting convoluted and we were getting confused. So we wanted all that clarified, but the impression I had at that time was that we were going to do just that kind of thing. That we were going to get an understanding and then come up with some advisory statement that we would put out that said that, you know, state, county laws provide for access – they are in the statutes, they are in the ordinances they should be implemented. But between then and now, I think we’ve got the legislative session, so what we’re trying to do is to deal with that and so I have a binder, as an example, that talks about public access and I can make a copy for you and I am willing to do that but I think we’re also waiting for Corp Counsel to give us a briefing then at least we have some substantive place to start and it’s not as if I think you’ve forgotten because I have an interest in public access – just like you – and also have interest in other things. So I’m trying to get information like this, OK? So it’s taken – you know – it’s not as if I’ve forgotten what the responsibility is – I just wanted to assure you that at least from my part I’m trying to follow... K. DeCoito: Don’t get me wrong, I see, how can we response or establish this… Chair Sylvester: I think we can but the key is that somebody has to take the bull by the horns cause this is a volunteer commission and many of us are putting in several hours a day, seven days a week to do what we’re doing. And some other people need to step up and start initiating these kind of things cause otherwise it becomes overburdening and we can’t get nothing done. With that said, we have met last year – remember with Jordan Jokiel – about four or five different county easement areas – but unfortunately, Jordan left. And that went to limbo but I mean we tried to talk with, but wasn’t Planning to do one of the easements? And whatever happened with Pepeekeo, at Hawiki Homesteds and Kapukoia \[sp?\]… K. DeCoito: Yeah, with the surveying? Chair Sylvester: Yeah, Surveying… 16 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 B. Command: You know Jordan… K. DeCoito: They said he is going to be replace… Chair Sylvester: It’s in the queue, right? B. Command: All the other positions… Chair Sylvester: Yeah, they got the funding for it now, it’s just that Jordan moved out to something more lucrative. M. Bartell: You know, I thought – I mean Kalani and Ike are bringing up a pretty good point, right, and there are things we can do at the county level that would bring benefit, right? But in reality, if we can’t get the state stuff solved a lot of the county issues are immaterial. So I don’t know, we can think about it – I would suggest that we get 2 or 3 guys from the commission here that focus solely on county issues, right, and that’s hound Bobby (Command) at the Planning Commission and make sure access is happening and make sure the local county laws are followed. But that means some of the commissioners here need to volunteer and say – just like a handful of people are spending time in Honolulu with the state legislature – the same – there’s got to be 2 or 3 people on this commission that deal with the county stuff, right? K. DeCoito: Yeah. M. Bartell: And you know whether it’s now or later – some guys have got to raise their hand and say OK I’m gonna go to the county meetings, I’m gonna talk with Bobby (Command) about Planning, I’m gonna hound access issues. I’m gonna be in guy’s face. Developments aren’t gonna happen without access to state forests, right? But that means that someone’s gotta run that to ground, right? K. DeCoito: It’s like I say, for me that’s what I been doing, and it’s not about me but what I’m saying is that in my own district - they still in the works obviously to be… M. Bartell: Yeah. K. DeCoito: So that would be increased at a county level. M. Bartell: Right. K. DeCoito: \[Unclear\] the backing will be there because \[unclear\] in charge of \[unclear\]. And it’s still in draft – it’s still one \[unclear\] community and ask them about this and that. And, yeah, I got to every meeting and that is the county level. And that is when any development comes into a point they got to go to that Planning. 17 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 M. Bartell: Right. So and I think that’s a legitimate issue, Kalani. I do. I mean I raised it many meetings ago and I think we need to stay on it, right? I just think that we need a handful of people on this commission to stay focused on that, you know, and force results, right? So we get hunters, access to state forests and landlocked lands and but I just think it’s gonna take time and commitment from some of the people on the commission, right? And you know – so Tony I think at some point here we got to say, hey, there’s a group that handles the state stuff and there’s a group that handles the county stuff. Both are critically important, right? Chair Sylvester: Absolutely, absolutely. M. Bartell: So we should, if Kalani… Man: \[Unclear\] M. Bartell: Kalani and Ike want to help handle the county stuff – super! I’ll sign up for that one, too, right? So I mean, I just think as chair – you know divide and conquer cause we all focus on the same thing – a lot of stuffs gonna slip through the crack. Chair Sylvester: OK. Absolutely. So we’ll have to put that, I guess, for our next meeting then. M. Bartell: Yup. Chair Sylvester: We can put a motion in there and discuss how you want to do that part. Absolutely. M. Bartell: Thank you. Chair Sylvester: Thank you, note taken. OK. Just one other thing with the legislative it was 1903 again – that outdoor heritage – we got support from the mayor and he’s excited with that so. I think that’s something that can help all around, yeah, that’s the outdoor heritage month. W. Camara: Well actually on all of these he has supported. Chair Sylvester: Yeah. W. Camara: Supporting and putting in supporting testimony and we’d like to thank him (mayor) for that. Chair Sylvester: And then our councilman Onishi has also supported all of our measures also so… 18 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 M. Bartell: So, hey, tell me, just when this legislative session’s over – we need to take note of who supported our initiatives and who voted against our initiatives, right? Chair Sylvester: Right. And Tom (Lodge) and I have been sending out – and we’ve also asked others every time to send thank yous – we usually do that right after each committee we meet with – we send out thank yous – we’ve been keeping on top of it that way. M. Bartell: No, yeah, but I’m thinking of a different level, right? There are people who are going to support 1902 and there’s people’s who are going to vote against 1902. And I think everybody in the room should know what senators and congress people voted in favor of 1902 and which ones voted against it – so we know who to vote for next – cause 2014 is an election yea, man. And we need to know who’s got out back and who doesn’t, right? Man: Yeah. M. Bartell:: And I think we as a commission should just track that and be really explicit about it. Right? Chair Sylvester: Absolutely. OK. Thank you, Mark. Anything further before we move on? VII: UNFINISHED BUSINESS: A motion to approve our request letter to Dr. Bill Walsh for his presence at our April meeting. Chair Sylvester: OK. Unfinished Business. Do I hear a motion to approve a request letter to Dr. Bill Walsh for his presence at our April meeting? And then I’ll read the letter off first, if you want? OK. I am Tony Sylvester, Chair of Hawai’i Game Management Advisory Commission, \[unclear\] Section 6.9 Hawai’i County Charter, Commission’s purpose is to advise county, state and federal agencies on matters relating to the preservation of subsistence hunting and fishing, as well as protecting traditional and cultural gathering rights. Recently we learned that the National Oceanic and Atmosphere Administration – NOAA – will be working in West Hawai’i on a habitat blueprint project. It is our understandings that DLNR and DAR \[unclear\] will be one of the participating agencies in the project. We would appreciate it very much if you would help us better understand the NOAA project and DLNR and DAR’s role in the Habitat Blueprint project. Our meeting is st scheduled for Monday, 21 of April 2014, at 6:30p. The GMAC meets simultaneously in 2 locations. We hope that you will be able to attend our meeting to help us learn about this important NOAA project. It’s purposes and 19 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 goals and how DLNR and DAR participates and how we can address the concerns of aquatic resource users and please let us know if you’ll participate in st the upcoming meeting on April 21 and we have our contact information. So we would like to make a motion. Action: T. Lodge moved to approve request letter to Dr. Bill Walsh for his st presence at GMAC’s April 21 meeting; second by M. Bartell and carried unanimously by voice vote. VIII. NEW BUSINESS: Discussion: 1. Hawaii administrative rules Title 13, Department of Land and Natural Resources Subtitle 5 – Forestry and Wildlife, Part 2 – Wildlife Chapter 122 Rules regulating game bird hunting, field trials and commercial shooting preserves Rules Amending Title 13 Hawaii Administrative Rules Chair Sylvester: OK. Now it’s just – we’ll open up the discussion for administrative rules – Chapter 122 that deals with game birds and 123 is game mammals and it’s more just informational right now since we really didn’t talk about rules at all – but there’s a lot of, I think it’s been 6 ½ years now that this rule making is in the works – hasn’t been approved – and that’s another part that really holds us back, you know, there’s no game management plans for decades, administrative rules that tell us what to do in hunting is obsolete and outdated, hasn’t been approved – everything seems to be sitting at the Attorney General’s office. The Habitat Conservation Plan for \[unclear\] is 10 years in the making, so Tom (Lodge) had a really good letter that he threw out but I guess he didn’t want to show it at the legislature but he might show that how long \[unclear\] dealing with hunting and hunter related and that’s a priority of decades… Man: \[Unclear\] Chair Sylvester: ….stuff to happen – like Rainfall in the Forest just happened overnight. So it shows you the priority of DLNR in that sense. And I guess one of the things that I’ve learned also from someone who talked to Fish and Wildlife is that a lot of this delay by DLNR \[unclear\] them, cause as long as they’re making a reasonable effort to strive towards rule making and game management plans and all that – they can’t be sued. That’s what we were told, so… 20 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 Man: \[Unclear\] Chair Sylvester: Yeah, yeah. Man: Well if you say you’re doing stuff and you’re working on it then \[unclear\] cause we ask why is there, there’s law that Chapter 183D that says that they shall be doing these things, shall be managing game and protecting hunting and all that and yet they can’t seem to do that anymore and that’s law. And I think that’s part of what – when we did these bills, especially 1902 was that why do we – we already have laws on the books, why can’t they be followed? Yeah, so, that’s why start creating other things when there’s a law already and it’s not being followed cause of other mandates or whatever their excuses are. And I think that’s something that I’ve never gotten an answer to that – they won’t answer that – and why we have laws and now we’re trying to create more laws to stuff that they’re not already doing – so I don’t know – expand on that part. Chair Sylvester: OK. Main thing on the rules. Does anybody have any specific questions on rules, game birds, anything you’d like to see changed, added, removed? Man: Steve \[unclear\] Man: Steve… Steve: Chapter 122 - testimony that I submitted and basically for each individual land mass areas \[unclear\] game birds \[unclear\] when they \[unclear\] hunting. Each specific area is given a reason why it’s taken out – and for every area that is being taken out – \[unclear\] quality of habitat is to be established to \[unclear\]. As of yet we’ve had zero response \[unclear\] testimony through \[unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: How long ago? Steve: \[Unclear\] high school. That was quite a while… I don’t remember the exact years but \[unclear\]… Chair Sylvester: You never got a response. Steve: No. Well by law they \[unclear\]. K. DeCoito: \[Unclear\] so when we read it we thought that it was \[unclear\] adjacent to the other side so you get cracks like this \[unclear\] that was a set-up… \[Discussion\] 21 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 Man: \[Unclear\] so what I did is I \[unclear\] paperwork on that proposal that everybody signed in Kau and I just went send ‘em to his office \[unclear\]. W. Camara: So where would that be in here? Man: \[Unclear\] Yeah? Why? Man: \[Unclear\] the reason why it’s being taken out and I want to replace it with \[unclear\]. Man: That’s 1902… Man: I agree. Man: \[Unclear\] Man: \[Unclear\] chapter what… Chair Sylvester: 123… Man: 122… Man: That was \[unclear\] testify on another item. Why did they take out a natural area reserve \[unclear\] I strongly said this – the testimony goes in \[unclear\] no area should be taken out \[unclear\] no matter what \[unclear\] because the moment you remove one natural area reserve – the rest going be pau. \[Unclear\] all the areas \[unclear\]. Kauai. Kauai guys \[unclear\]. \[Gentleman not speaking in the mic\]. Chair Sylvester: Thank you. Man: \[Unclear\] recommended \[unclear\]. I’m not sure where 2. Chapter 13-123, Hawaii Administrative Rules, entitled “Rules Regulating Game Mammal Hunting’ belongs\] D. Yoshina: The section you’re talking about would be… 13.1 to 22.11 that you recommend changes for? Is that what you’re saying? Man: Oh. \[Unclear\] D. Yoshina: So you had a general statement for that section? 22 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 Man: Just a general statement \[unclear\]. Man: I’m sorry we can’t… D. Yoshina: OK. T. Lodge: Well one thing, I think everybody in this room should start calling, emailing DLNR to get these things approved. Right now I’m just looking at – right now we have the spring turkey season – we’ve lost 4 weeks of turkey hunting because they haven’t got these rules \[unclear\]. You know we get from – what was it - March 31 where it used to be till April 14 and you know because we st haven’t had the rule change it’s just till March 31 and that brings up another thing here – have you been turkey hunting these last couple of weeks or so? Others have been and they’ve gone up to Mauna Kea last week Thursday – Wednesday and Thursday – and they got it \[unclear\] turkey hunting and guess what? They can’t. And the reason why they can’t is because they’re eradicating pigs. So they’re taking days – hunting days away from hunters and they’re not letting us know. Unclear rules. Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\] every day and one of the areas where you drive in where you sign up so \[unclear\] turkey hunting \[unclear\] eradicating \[unclear\]. W. Camara: Turkey hunters, right? Chair Slyvester: Yeah. \[Discussion\] Not using the mic. Chair sylvester: Thank you. Man: \[Unclear\] land \[unclear\] page 10 they crossed out \[unclear\]. \[Discussion\] W. Camara: There used to be some kind of white tape \[unclear\]. Man: \[Unclear\] removing land \[unclear\]. \[Discussion\] Not using the mic W. Camara: ….page 11, other game birds the Division may establish \[unclear\]. It would be nice to stay there. T. Lodge: That needs to be approached \[unclear\] they’re trying to get rid of your game birds. 23 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 W. Camara: yeah. Man: \[Unclear\] \[Discussion\] D. Yoshina: How long do you anticipate keeping this open. Chair Sylvester: Close anytime you want. D. Yoshina: No, no what I was going to ask is how appropriate is it for us to invite comments to us and then as the Game Management Advisory Commission turn around and draft a letter saying here’s our recommendation. So how long you want to \[unclear\]. How Kalani has \[unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: That was a big topic the last one and with specking with Lisa - DLNR frustrated, I don’t know what the hold up is – the Attorney General or a higher power – I don’t know – that’s why I wanted to bring it up and pass the conversation around and figure out what things we can do \[unclear\]. T. Lodge: I think that we could… Chair Sylvester: \[Unclear\]. The minute we try to do a game management program or whatever to help establish the rules so the cart the horse get something approved and move on to the next thing. T. Lodge: We need to get this out. Number one is the wallet $10.00 per \[unclear\] it was getting 20. We should be probably getting 25, you know, but they don’t want to raise the hunting license. They’re afraid that it \[unclear\] gonna be 20 or 25 dollars everybody’s gonna \[unclear\] – we’re paying $20 or $25 dollars right now anyway and we should just get the thing out so we can get them to start reviewing \[unclear\]. We’re losing money, the hunters are losing money. \[Unclear\] Revolving Fund is being used up and was used up all last year on Lanai. We didn’t see hardly a \[unclear\] on this island. And so there’s a good reason for us to get this thing out and… B. Command: Set a deadline. So if there’s no deadline, there’s no deadline, right? By next meeting. Chair: Yeah IX. FUTURE MEETING DATES  Monday, April 21, 6:30pm  Monday, May 26, 2014, 6:30p 24 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 \[Discussion\] th It was determined that May 26 is Memorial Day Holiday. stth Chair Sylvester: Next meeting will be on April 21 and May 19. And are there and concerns that we want to bring forward? D. Yoshina: Chapter 122 - 123…regulate this and we’ll have to regulate \[unclear\] still try \[unclear\] shooting preserves. Chair: OK. D. Yoshina: So even if you have submitted them before \[unclear\] we’ll put our cover letter… Send it in… Do you guys have friends out there you might want to get them to us in \[unclear\]. Chair Sylvester: Agenda item Man: \[Unclear\] talking about the Wildlife \[Discussion\] Not using mic. X. ANNOUNCEMENTS: Chair Sylvester: All right. \[Unclear\] further on the rules? OK. \[Unclear\] Any announcements? Does anybody have anything there you want to add. \[Unclear\]. K. DeCoito: Yes. I just need information getting a lot comments and questions about from the public about like Kawa, sp? \[unclear\]. Public wondering as far as access – can walk \[unclear\] from the road. Chair Sylvester: I know they’re doing archaeological work and clearing, and… K. DeCoito: See the public was not notified - don’t know…. \[Discussion\] Not using the mic. th D. Yoshina: April 12, I think… That’s what I heard. th Chair Sylvester: There’s gonna be a Ho’olaulea on April 12, I think it’s from 9:00a to 2:00p or something like that. It’s gonna be at the West Hawaii Civic Center. We’re invited to go – so I thought that you know maybe a few of us could go with some people from our community and we can just explain – we wanted to talk a little bit about what we’re doing and what we’re working on and some of the 25 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 issues around the island pertaining to hunting and fishing. It’s kind of an education Ho’olaulea. Yeah, it’s a 10 x 10 booth – we have to get a little 10 x 10 tent – and they have a space reserved for us and I’ve got somebody that’s got tables already. So if we can get some volunteers for that – that actually would be really helpful because it is over in Kona. So, Mark, you guys can maybe pick up a few guys over in Kona for that day? M. Bartell: Can you say the day, Tony, again. I missed it – is what? th Chair Sylvester: April 12. Should be a Saturday… Yes… M. Bartell: I’ll dig up a few guys, how’s that? Yeah, yeah, call… Chair Sylvester: Yeah. M. Bartell: Call me and fill me in… Chair Sylvester: OK – no that was the wrong I sent it out to everybody. I know the guy called me to tell me about it – one in Hilo at the Civic auditorium on the th 5 and \[unclear\]. And I set that up for everybody and a few weeks later – oh, no, it’s the WH Civic Center. Chair Sylvester: OK. Thanks for reminding \[unclear\]. OK. Anything else? Anybody got anything else? W. Camara: Is there some question about Manuka? No. Not the fencing. Just about the area being closed – to get down to the ocean – about the road being closed or something? Man: yeah. Man: I thought in the last meeting somebody asked something about that. Man: \[Unclear\] ATV’s \[Discussion\] Not using the mic. Chair: All right. Anything else? All good? No further Barbara: If you have any receipts that can be turned in, please turn it in to the head office or to Bobby (Command) so you may be reimbursed for your trips. OK? Thank you. XI. ADJOURNMENT 26 Hawaii Game Management Advisory Commission Meeting Minutes – March 24, 2014 Action: T. Lodge moved to adjourn the meeting; second by W. Camara and carried unanimously by voice vote. The meeting adjourned at 8:06 p.m. Respectfully submitted by, Barbara Kossow Secretary ATTEST Anthony H. Sylvester, II 27