HomeMy WebLinkAbout2015-02-05 HearingTranscript - Lance Moe REZ 14-183
WINDWARD PLANNING COMMISSION
COUNTY OF HAWAI‘I
HEARING TRANSCRIPT
FEBRUARY 5, 2015
LANCE MOE (REZ 14-183)
A regularly advertised hearing on the application of was called to
order at 9:03 a.m. in the County of Hawai‘i Aupuni Center Conference Room, 101 Pauahi Street,
Hilo, Hawai‘i with Chairman Myles Miyasato presiding.
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Myles Miyasato, Gregory Henkel, Donald Ikeda, Raylene
Moses, and Stephen Ono.
ABSENT & EXCUSED: Charles Heaukulani.
ALSO PRESENT: Duane Kanuha (Planning Director), Danny Patel (Deputy Corporation
Counsel for the Windward Planning Commission), William Brilhante (Deputy Corporation
Counsel for the Planning Director), Jeff Darrow (Staff Planner), Christian Kay (Staff Planner),
and Sarah Hata-Finley (Commission Secretary).
And approximately 4 people from the public in attendance.
APPLICANT: LANCE MOE (REZ-14-183)
Application for a Change of Zone from Single-Family Residential-10,000 square feet (RS-10) to
Neighborhood Commercial-10,000 square feet (CN-10) for 22,500 square feet of land. The
property is located on the southwest corner of the intersection of Kekūanaōa Street and Laukapu
Street, Waiākea House Lots, Waiākea, South Hilo, Hawai‘i, TMK: 2-2-036: 042.
MIYASATO: The first item on today’s agenda is Applicant Lance Moe.
DARROW: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning, Members of the Planning Commission.
Welcome, beautiful day.
MIYASATO: Good morning.
DARROW: I went through Ka‛ū yesterday, oh man, that’s God’s Country out there.
MOSES: You’re right.
DARROW: Our first agenda item is Lance Moe as mentioned. They are requesting a Change of
Zone. The area of the subject application is within the South Hilo District of Hawai‛i. More
specifically, we’re looking in the area of the Waiākea House Lots. The subject properties are
identified with a black outline. Currently, it shows two properties, but they are now
consolidated, so it’s actually just one property.
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This is, for reference running through the middle of the map, we have Kekūanaō‛a Street. And,
running perpendicular, we have Laukapu and Hīnano Street. The subject application is located
on the corner of Kekūanaō‛a and Laukapu Street, right across from Big Island Candies. The
main road, Kanoelehua is to the right side of your map.
This is the General Plan Land Use Pattern Allocation Guide Map for the area. The subject
property is located within the Medium Density Urban area which is identified in orange. The red
identifies High Density uses, and the gray represents Industrial.
This is an aerial photo. The subject appli—property is identified with a red outline, and again for
reference running through the middle of the map, we have Kekūanaō‛a and we have Laukapu
Street. Again, you have Big Island Candies. You have the Hawaiian Style Café area and all the
different restaurants and businesses that have moved in off of Mānono and Hīnano Street. This
area is in transition at this time from residential to more commercial and industrial type uses.
This is a close-up view of the subject properties, as well as the different zonings in the particular
area. For reference, the yellow color is Single Family Residential. The light pink is
Neighborhood Commercial zoning which is being requested by the Applicant. The dark red is
General Commercial which is made up of Big Island Candies. And, the purple and gray are
industrial type uses or mixed. Again, a close-up view showing you the different uses in the area.
Laukapu Street and Kekūanaō‛a for reference. Subject property is currently vacant of uses and
structures.
The Applicant is requesting a Change of Zone from Single Family Residential – 10,000 square
feet to Neighborhood Commercial – 10,000 square feet to construct a medical office. The
medical office is to be occupied by Dr. Gutteling and possibly by another physician. The
proposed medical facility would consist of an approximately 3,150 square foot, single-story
structure, and there will, for access, there will be a right-in, right-out off of Kekūanaō‛a, and the
full movement access will be on Laukapu Street.
This is the site plan submitted by the Applicant. For reference, Kekūanaō‛a would be on, located
on the top portion of your map. And Laukapu Street would be on the right side of your map so
again the access from Kekūanaō‛a would be a right-in and a right-out. And full movement
access would be on Laukapu Street. You have the identified structure that will be placed in the
back portion of the property with parking on the identified--. This is a single-story structure, so
these are the elevations of the facility, and this is the floor plan that is proposed by the Applicant.
These are some site photos. This is on Laukapu Street, across perpendicular from the
Applicant’s property. And this is Kekūanaō‛a running towards Hilo. The airport would be
behind me.
This is Laukapu Street. The proposed access would be in this general location with the
Applicant’s property on the right side of the map. Again, Laukapu Street and Kekūanaō‛a, the
right-in, right access would be in this general location, and the Applicant’s property is on the left
side of the map.
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And this is looking towards the airport from Laukapu Street with Kekūanaō‛a running towards
the airport.
The Planning Director is recommending that the Planning Commission send a favorable
recommendation with conditions to the Hawai‛i County Council. I would like to just bring to
your attention. We have received one correspondence since the Background and
Recommendation was sent to the Planning Commission, and this is from Jeffrey Joseph and
Theresa McCrary. And, the Planning Commission should have received that in email as well as
this morning, in hard copy form.
With that, that concludes our presentation. Thank you.
MIYASATO: Commissioners, any questions for staff. Thank you. Okay, will the Applicant or
representative please come forward? Could you please all raise your right hand? Do you swear
or affirm to tell the truth on this matter now before the Hawai‛i County Planning Commission?
FUKE/GUTTELING: I do.
MOE: Yes.
MIYASATO: Okay, before you speak, could you please state your name and residence.
FUKE: Good morning, Mr. Chairman. My name is Sidney Fuke. I’m the planning consultant
here assisting the Applicant. My business address is 100 Pauahi Street, Suite 212, Hilo.
MOE: My name is Lance Moe. I’m a construction consultant for Edward Gutteling, and my
address is HC1, Box 5029, Kea‛au, Hawai‛i 96749.
GUTTELING: I’m Edward Gutteling. My address is 153 Honoli‛i Place, Hilo, Hawai‛i.
MIYASATO: Okay, do you have a comment or presentation?
FUKE: Sure. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The staff’s Background Report and Recommendation
as always is very comprehensive. Dr. Gutteling has had a chance to review both of them and
have found, especially the conditions, to be fair and appropriate.
As the staff had indicated, the primary intent behind this Change of Zone is really to enable Dr.
Gutteling to relocate his existing orthopedic practice as well as the medical related activities you
know surrounding his practice you know to this particular location. I’d like to, I’ll discuss the
planning related aspect, but I think as far as the nature of, the nature and the reason for the
relocation, I think that Dr. Gutteling would be better able to address that. I think he has a lot of
interesting things that he’d like to share with the Commission.
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GUTTELING: Thank you, Commission. I’ve been in practice in Hilo since 1992 as an
orthopedic surgeon. I’m the longest, continuous serving orthopedic surgeon on the island in that
regards. As you may be aware, we are facing a declining physician population and increasing
physician shortage and more difficult access to care. There was a recent article in the Tribune
Herald that pegs the doctor shortage for this island at 225. And, I think this is a continuing trend.
The principal reason for this is because it becomes a less desirable practice location for the
doctors. The expenses go up, and the reimbursements have gone down, and the squeeze makes it
less and less attractive. More and more private practices are folding.
Presently, I share rental office space with my orthopedic practice with the primary care clinic of
the Hilo Urgent Care. We rent a fairly expensive space. By combining space, we have
efficiencies of scale, both by allowing optimal use of the floor plan by combining an area for
joint uses of administrative services, sharing an x-ray facility and such.
The lease is expiring, and it is also very expensive, and it’s becoming prohibitively so. I have
searched extensively for appropriate similar space in which we could transfer our operations.
This requires minimum 3,000 square feet or more, and there is no such space available in Hilo,
nor has there been for years. And it’s up to the doctors basically to construct their own if they
wish to be in such a facility. With that in mind, my goal was to purchase these properties,
combine them, which has been done, with the sole purpose of transferring both my orthopedic
practice and the Hilo Urgent Care, primary care doctors, over there. There would be two to three
doctors total, including myself working there. And, this transition would then allow us to stay in
practice and be profitable. Without this project going through, I’m not sure it would be
financially feasible for me to continue in practice quite frankly. And, it’s my hope that you, the
Commission and the Council, would help to improve access to medical care by allowing us and
other similar, to go forward in this regards. Thank you.
MIYASATO: Thank you.
FUKE: Mr. Chairman, then you know just from a planning standpoint, I think as the staff had
indicated from an infrastructure standpoint, you know, basically, you know there all covered, the
water, the sewer—sewer line fronts the property so you know, that’s not gonna be an issue.
There’ve been some, as far as the General Plan, as the staff indicated also that this falls within
the Medium Density area, but the kind of use that Dr. Gutteling is proposing to have on the
property is kind of like from our standpoint rather consistent with the evolving change you know
that’s in, going on in that area. You know, you have some mixture of commercial, mixture of
light industrial, mixed commercial industrial as well as residential.
Fortunately, the, because it’s a corner property you know it’s, it’s not a use that he’s proposing
that’s heavily traffic inducing. For example, it’s not a gas station. If you have a gas station, then
obviously you know you have a lot of traffic movement. If you have like a fast food
establishment whether it’s a McDonalds or Wendy’s or whatever, you know, your traffic pattern
changes.
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When you deal with like a medical facility, it kind of stages over time, and—and I’ll discuss the
traffic aspect little bit later—but you know it’s again, you know, you don’t, it’s not a night club,
so you don’t have like noisy kind of atmosphere like that, so, so you do have some residents in
that area and so generally the kind of use that he has, I think it’s so much compatible with the
evolving change in that area.
I know that the letter that you know your staff had indicated you know that was circulated to the
Commission you know did talk about some concerns relating to the traffic. You know,
obviously you know we can’t address the letter’s, comments regarding the lack of enforcement
on the adjoining properties, you know by Green Tours, or like the traffic impact on, that’s Big
Island Candies or the Aloha Petroleum gas station is causing, and all that. But specifically, more
like, you know just kind of focusing on this particular project and then trying to address the
traffic related aspect.
You know, we all know that from the Zoning Code standpoint, that a traffic impact study is
needed if a project generates during the a.m. or the p.m. peak anyway, more than 50 vehicular
movements per, during the a.m. or p.m. peak. In this situation, you know, obviously, it doesn’t.
Dr. Gutteling’s operation as he mentioned, he basically wants to relocate his existing operation
over there. They’ve already, he did like an extensive, over the last couple days, trying to figure
out exactly how many patients that you know their establishment had seen over the, you know,
the year 2014, and it came out to like on a typical day between eight to five, 38 patients a day,
and so, even from a cumulative standpoint, you know, you don’t reach that 50 threshold on an
a.m. or p.m. peak, right, you know and so, when you have like 38 patients a day, then it kind of
averages about like one vehicular movement every 13 to 15 minutes, you know.
On a—they do operate also up until 9 o’clock, so when you look at the five to nine, which is you
know, to some extent like the p.m. peak, you know, they have roughly about 12 patients you
know during that period, and that’s the average about one car for every 20 minutes. So, as far as
the you know the projected traffic use for the facility, they do have very accurate number based
on, based upon their current practice. The staff had indicated like how the traffic movements is
gonna occur. It’s gonna be like right turn in, right turn out, with deliberate cut off so that you
can make, you cannot make a left turn exiting the property onto Kekūanāo‛a. It will be
exclusively designed for right turn, right, right turn in, right turn out. Dr. Gutteling had asked me
like can you give me an example of what Public Works meant by having some sort of barrier so
that you know you don’t, you know cannot make a left turn. I think a classic situation would be
the Ka Waena Lapa‛au project on Komohana Street. You know, as you try to exit that property
onto Komohana, you’ll, you know, find it very difficult, although you could, but you would find
it very difficult to make a left turn from the Ka Waena Lapa‛au project onto Komohana Street
because just, they do have that, that berm that prevents or minimizes the chance to make left-turn
movements in that area. The full movements obviously will occur within the, the Laukapu Street
section.
The staff’s proposed condition also suggests, and the Applicant has accepted, the setting aside of
10-foot wide, you know, road right-of-way, right-of-way along Kekūanāo‛a Street so that
eventually as the remaining properties in that area get developed and be set up with the same
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obligation that, you know, you’ll have like ultimately a full 60-foot wide right-of-way on
Kekūanāo‛a Street. Laukapu Street is also required to set aside and dedicate to the County at no
charge five additional feet so right now, Laukapu Street has a right-of-way of 40 feet so at some
point in time with continued developments in this area then you’ll have like a full County
standard 50-foot wide right-of-way. In addition to that, as you all know, that as developments
have occurred in that area, there is also that obligation to provide the curb, gutter, and sidewalk
and so that’s also an obligation that you know, he’ll have to provide.
One of the comments made by, you know, that letter also indicated that well, you know, the,
along Kekūanāo‛a Street, you know, you really don’t have enough room for cars to stop on the
side you know, if there’s an emergency vehicle coming, you know, along Kekūanāo‛a Street.
Well, with the provision of this additional right-of-way at least for this particular area, there will
be opportunities for vehicles to you know get on the side and allow these emergency vehicles to,
to go through.
I think the other telling to is like you know while the Applicant is generally aware of, you know,
we all travel in that, in that area, so we’re sensitive to you know some of the traffic issues
associated with that area, but the ones that really would like to accede to, to the comments would
be primarily like two agencies, and you know one of ‘em is the Police Department, and as the,
you know, your Background Report will indicate is, the Police basically concluded that when
they reviewed the application and I quote, “does not anticipate any significant impact to traffic
and/or public safety concerns.” The other comment is of course the Department of Public
Works, Engineering, and Engineering did not offer any comments aside from the fact that they
would want to see the setting aside of the right-of-way, curb, gutter, sidewalk as well as putting
in the, the required curb, gutters, so, with that if there’s any question that, we’d be more than
happy to respond.
MIYASATO: Commissioners, any questions for the Applicant? Thank you. We have one
person signed up for public testimony. Theresa McCrary?
MCCRARY: Thank you for seeing me today.
MIYASATO: Excuse me—
MCCRARY: My name is Theresa McCrary—
MIYASATO: Theresa, could you please raise your right hand?
MCCRARY: --oh, I’m sorry—
MIYASATO: Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth on this matter now before the Hawai‛i
County Planning Commission?
MCCRARY: Yes, I do.
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MIYASATO: Okay, please state your name and residence.
MCCRARY: Can you hear me? Yes--
DARROW: Mic—
MCCRARY: Okay—okay, my name is Theresa Ann McCrary. My husband and I have owned
the property at 63, 630 Hīnano Street for 25 years, and we’ve loved our home. The area has not
seen, sort of an old area—and I also—that we’ve enjoyed. I also need to let you know that I am
a registered nurse of 35 years, and still acting in that function, and I am acutely aware of the
physician shortage in, in this County or the State of Hawai‛i for that matter, and deal with it
often.
I think I don’t need to go through a lot of the things in this letter cause it looks, I hope everybody
has read it. I will say that we, the main thing that we would like to see happen--there’s a lot of
discussion about the traffic in the area that something is going to take care of it by putting in
curbs or whatever. It’s not just in front of the Gutteling proposal property. It’s that entire area
there, okay? And you can’t just sit in a room and say oh, there’s enough room, well go ahead
and do this. You need to have a traffic pattern study. Okay, and it needs not to just to be in front
of the Gutteling proposed property. It needs to be all up and down that area. I think you read
there that I totaled my Prius right there within 60 foot of my home. Okay, the traffic is
horrendous there, all up and down that area, okay. Big Island Candy [sic] went in and I didn’t
do, I didn’t say anything, cause I, I’m not against—I may be old but I’m not against
improvements in an area and commercialization. I own a business. Very much for it. It actually
increases the value of my property, my home, if it’s done correctly.
Basically, when, and I’m not really here to speak about Green Tours, but when they, their
property went in, I came and spoke. I was against it, but I didn’t think about, I knew that those
two entries on that property was going to have an impact in the area, but I didn’t think to request
a traffic pattern study. Let’s really take a look at what the difference is, what is going on here. I
think you’ll see that from 2 o’clock to about 8 o’clock, in the evening, you know, particularly,
well in the morning, too. I think there might be a lag between 10 and 11 or so. It’s horrendous
amount of traffic in there. It’s bumper to bumper. And, I don’t think my opinion and my
husband’s opinion is, you know, if you do address right in front of the Gutteling area, that’s not
gonna help that area. You’re still gonna be congested. They’re talking about turning to the right.
Well, guess what? I don’t think anybody did a traffic pattern study or looked at what was going
on with Aloha Gas Station. That’s a mess down there. You never are able to turn left. Okay,
you always have to turn right and go down Laukapa [sic] to get back on the road. You know, so
I may not be in a commercial mode here for this, but I think that as a resident of the area for so
long, based on the information that I have here, I really would like to see, you know, some of
these, some of my requests honored.
Also, I did not, I’m busy, so I did not think to talk about Manono Street Marketplace. Okay, I
went down there. I drove the streets before I wrote this letter one evening at about 8 o’clock in
the evening. There were probably close to 75 or 80 cars parked at the Manono Marketplace right
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there, and those people come down, come by Manono, and come down, come down by Big
Island Candy [sic]. They also park out on the road out there, so that helps to congest the area,
too. I don’t think that the County has taken a look at this small, little neighborhood that has been
there so long as we’re adding in all these commercial properties.
And, I will say another thing. You know, Dr. Gutteling mentioned here that there’s no property
available. Okay, well there’s no property available at this price, okay. The price of the property
in this neighborhood is down because we have no infrastructure there, very little. The
streetlights, my own streetlight right above my property was taken away. Okay, the streetlight
on Hīnano has been, it’s moved, okay, so it’s not right there in the, in the street, in the cross,
okay, and as I said in my letter here, how many streetlights, stoplights, no that was a streetlight
above, I’m talking about. It’s moved down, okay. It’s not there at the corner. But, then also
stoplights—there’s only a stoplight at Manono, and when you come down that road, when you’re
coming either way, it, it all gets backed up there.
So I, I humbly request that you take a look at what I’m talking about. I am not against growth,
you know, at all. But I think in this area because the property sells cheaper, I think that a lot of
people would like to get in there, okay, and put up—and they have. You know, Dr. Lee-Ching
on the other end of Laukapa [sic] has had a beautiful place down there for years. I walk my dogs
down there, or used to, walk my dogs around there. They’ve got a nice little parking lot. This
facility that’s being proposed here, just look at the parking lot. Doesn’t matter that they’re
turning right only, okay, it’s going to impact what’s going on up by Aloha Gas Station. So,
whether I’m right or wrong, I could be wrong, I have studied this because it’s important to me,
because I screwed up when Green Tour went in there, okay, by, by the request I made. I think
that my request of really taking a real hard look at the traffic, at that building, at the sidewalks,
you know, those pictures were very flattering, okay, up there, it’s--
MIYASATO: Ms. McCrary—
MCCRARY: --yeah—who took those--
MIYASATO: Could you please use the, could you please use the mic and—
MCCRARY: --oh I’m sorry—I’m sorry--
MIYASATO: --and summarize, I’m going to have to ask you to summarize--
MCCRARY: --okay the pictures were very flattering okay. They showed very, it was almost
like it was wide angle. I don’t know whether it was or not, but there is not but about that much
room on the sides of the road, okay, to get out of the way. And, I guess that’s all about all I want
to say. I’m not really a public speaker. I think the letter, I took the time here. I beseech you to
really, really take a look at this before you move forward on it. I don’t know that’s in the interest
of this small aging community. I think that we have enough growth over there until everybody
takes a real good look at the roads, okay?
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Thank you so much, and I’m sorry of course if I stuttered around—
MIYASATO: Thank you, Commissioners any questions—
MCCRARY: --oh, any questions—
MIYASATO: Okay, thank you.
MCCRARY: Okay.
MIYASATO: Is there anyone else wishing to testify on this matter? If not, could I have a
motion to close public testimony?
IKEDA: I’ll make the motion. I move that a favorable recommendation be forwarded to the—
MIYASATO: Excuse me, I’d like to close the, a motion to close the public testimony first.
IKEDA: Oh, I’m sorry, okay go ahead. Close it.
MIYASATO: Second?
HENKEL: Second.
MIYASATO: All in favor?
COMMISSIONERS: Aye.
MIYASATO: Any opposed? Okay, I’d like to close the public testimony for this matter.
Commissioners, any discussion on this matter? If not, I’ll accept a motion—
IKEDA: Okay, I move that a favorable recommendation be forwarded to the County Council on
the application for a Change of Zone, Docket No. REZ 14-000183 based on the Planning
Director’s Recommendation and proposed condition.
MIYASATO: I have a motion. Do I have a second?
HENKEL: Second.
MIYASATO: Motion by Commissioner Ikeda, seconded by Commissioner Henkel. Do I have
any discussion on the motion? If no discussion, could you call the roll?
DARROW: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The motion before us is to send a favorable
recommendation to the Hawai‛i County Council. With that, we’ll take the roll. Commissioner
Ikeda?
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IKEDA: Aye.
DARROW: Commissioner Henkel?
HENKEL: Aye.
DARROW: Commissioner Moses?
MOSES: Aye.
DARROW: Commissioner Ono?
ONO: Aye.
DARROW: And Mr. Chairman.
MIYASATO: Aye.
DARROW: The motion passes five to zero.
MIYASATO: You’ll be notified in writing.
The discussion ended at 9:30 a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Sarah Y. Hata-Finley, Secretary
Windward Planning Commission
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