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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSeptember 28, 2016 FINAL SC MinutesWilliam P. Kenoi Mayor County of Hawaii PLANNING DEPARTMENT Duane Kanuha Director Joaquin Galniao-Kunkle Deputy Director HAMAKUA COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE Aupuni Center • 101 Pauahi Street, Suite 3 • Hilo, Hawaii 96720 Phone (808) 961-8288 • Fax (808) 961-8742 Wednesday, September 28, 206 Meeting Minutes NOTE: All documents referred to in the minutes are available on the CDP Website http://www.hawaiicountycdp.info/hamakua-cdp/steering-committee-review-of-community-input. CALL TO ORDER: Vice Chairperson Farrah -Marie Gomes called the Hamakua Community Development Plan (HCDP) Steering Committee to order at 6:12p.m. at the Laupahoehoe Library, Humanities Room. 11011wo2119 Members Present: Brad Kurokawa, Farrah -Marie Gomes, Glenn Carvalho, Jason Moniz, Craig Neff, and Ka'iulani Pahi'o. Members Absent: Scott Enright and Lorraine Mendoza. Staff: LeAna Gloor— Hamakua CDP Planner, Ron Whitmore — COH Senior Planner, Keiko Mercado — Hamakua CDP Planning Assistant, Bob Agres — Hawai'i Alliance for Community -Based Economic Development (HACBED). Members of the public: 46 ANNOUNCEMENTS: None If•Iaa1I011016TV/a:MiII TA Ms. Gomes provided a brief overview of the purpose and scope of the CDP, Steering Committee roles and responsibilities, and Aloha Etiquette. Ms. Gomes also went through public testimony protocols. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS: There was one written testimony submitted. 1. Ms. Gloor informed the Steering Committee that they have been provided copies of written testimony received from the firm Sullivan, Meheula, Lee in Honolulu representing Steve Shropshire and Shropshire Group LLC. The testimony addresses the Steering Committee's preliminary decision to change the policy map designation for Hakalau Point from Industrial to Open. It refers to the Hawai'i County Code and states that the Steering Committee is changing zoning. Ms. Gloor clarified that the Steering Committee is not changing the zoning of Mr. Hawai'i County is an Equal Opportunity Provider and Employer Page I 1 Shropshire's properties. She emphasized that the Steering Committee and the CDP do not have the authority to change zoning, nor is the CDP recommending a zoning change for this area. Also mentioned in the letter is Steering Committee member Brad Kurokawa's potential conflict of interest with regards to Hakalau. Written testimony submitted to Steering Committee members prior to the meeting by Terrence M. Lee (Sullivan Meheula Lee, LLLP) on behalf of Steve Shropshire (Shropshire Group LLC) can be viewed and downloaded in its entirety from the following website: http://records.co.hawaii.hi.us/weblink/1/doc/81921/Pagel.aspx. *At this point Mr. Kurokawa formally recused himself from any discussions and votes related to Hakalau Point. There were twenty four people who signed up to testify. [Please note that all testimony has been recorded exactly as presented.] 1. Michael Johnson, representing farmers providing testimony on Hakalau Point: Thank you for being here and having this meeting. It's very important for local politics for people to talk with one another so when I was at the meeting on September 10th, I saw that there was a change to the plan that hadn't been on the agenda and that was to change the designation of Hakalau Point from Industrial and Open to just Open. So what I did then, after I heard that the community had spoken, I said well, I hadn't spoken and I know a lot of other people who hadn't spoken and so I went out and got a petition. It actually turned into a survey and I learned a lot about what's happening in the community. I know some there's some people don't like other people. I know there's a lot of dreams represented here in this community too so I put in ideas for the use of Hakalau Point. The petition read: "We the citizens of Hawaii County urge the Hdmdkua Community Development Steering Committee, the County of Hawaii, the County Council and the Mayor to support the communities' desire to keep the land at Hakalau Point in its current Industrial Zoning and to deny any further actions to reclassify the land from Industrial to Open Lands in the draft or final Hdmdkua Community Development Plan. Furthermore, we the undersigned believe that the current and historical past Industrial Zoning of Hakalau Point will be of great benefit to the Hdmdkua community while honoring our forefathers in the sugar industry and our ancestral forefathers in the Hawaiian culture who set the precedent for the commercial industrial use of this land." And in here I found people said industrial, industrial, agricultural, ag tourism came up a lot. I was in favor of an agricultural park that would display the different crops that are growing in the Hdmdkua coast and a learning garden for Hawaiian plants that we still grow like olena or turmeric on the Hdmdkua coast. But also found that some people said Open and Industrial so there is a bridge, there is a way to have both. There is a way to have a park there and still have Industrial. I represent a lot of the farmers and am actively starting a Farmers' Association. I think that having Industry in Hakalau will help the farmers tremendously in a lot of ways. Thank you. 2. Dylan Shropshire, representing farmers on the agenda item of Hakalau Point: Thank you. I'm also representing my dad and our idea and our dream here in Hakalau. Wow, where to begin? I started coming to these meetings I think in 2010-2011. I've been to more than I can count and I spent a lot of time and hours on this process. Thank you guys very much for all of your help and all your time you've committed here so far. I really appreciate it. /was gonna comment on the conflict of interest but I really do appreciate Brad for you saying that and you know, I think it really — the problem with the process for me has been that community meetings are really Page 12 difficult to go to and there's so many of them that often people that are working jobs or farmers don't have an opportunity to have their voices heard and it's a shame because people that do attend these meetings really don't really have a job and don't really have things to do — not necessarily you know, this is — we don't hear all the voices of the community and I think that tonight by seeing some of the shirts in the room, it might show signs that there is another part of the community that does support something happening there besides a park. Most important thing for me is to see that there's more job growth. /have friends that have moved away. They can't sustain themselves here. It's not economically viable and/ think the main key is we have declining sugar cane populations. If you read the economic -- local economy portion of the priorities, economically and environmentally sustainable agriculture, local business, jobs, retail, services, dining, renewable energy and housing. I mean the first parts of that sentence right there, I think is what we're trying to accomplish here at Hakalau. Job creation, a cafe, farm to table, something similar to Papa'aloa store, maybe a butchery, maybe coffee roasting, maybe a brewery, something that is gonna create jobs, gonna create economic stimulus. Its gonna benefit more people than just the people in the surrounding couple streets and I think that that is the bottom line and it's something that is most important to me. And I think we need to create smart development where it matters, where we have zoning and I know we're not trying to change the zoning but by making a classification of Open Space, you're allowing that process to happen and it's gonna start and it's not gonna stop. So, I think we need to create smart development and not push residential houses into agricultural lots and push business away from Hamakuo. We need more job growth. That's all l gotta say. 3. Michael Kennedy, representing Hakalau Project on the agenda item of Hakalau: Hi, I'm Michael Kennedy. I'm promoting the use of the Hakalau Point. I think what Steve and his company are trying to do will be beneficial to the community. They're trying to make a — a real nice place and it's something the community could actually use. It'd be beneficial 'cause like the farmers could have a place to sell their goods and bring their crops down, like they have a Farmers Market up above right now once a week. If it was there like six days a week, farmers would have a place that they could sell their produce every day in a dry place every time. It wouldn't get rained out right? So the people in the community would have a place to go, like during the week, they needed something for dinner, they could go there and pick up some food right? Makes sense. Or, if they wanna bring their wife out to dinner, there'd be maybe a little restaurant. It would be beneficial and it would be — you know the possibilities are endless what that place could be. And the company has done a lot of wonderful things already. They've donated to the church and some other properties, trying to make Hawaii what it's supposed to be. You know its' supposed to be a — like a place of love and happiness, a beautiful place. To see Steve and his group go in there and make it into something nice and you know just the possibilities are endless of what it could be and he's tryin' to do that. He's tryin' to create a real nice environment up there in Hakalau. Pepe'ekeo has something like a mom & pop store. Honomu, you know you go on down the coast but Hakalau they have a Post Office and a Farmer's Market once a week. There's not anything therefor the local people to like have jobs or sell their stuff right there. So, it'd be beneficial for the community for them to have that. They deserve it. I mean, Hakalau needs that too. So yeah, I'm for it. Page 13 4. Guo Jee, representing Hawaii Potato Farm, speaking on the agenda item of Hakalau: Hello everyone. My name is Guo, a farmer in Hakalau side for about twenty years. I live in Hakalau and a farmer about twenty years. I plant potatoes. I know potato business industrial in the Hdmdkua side. I see today - every year we get about 1000 acres of potatoes growing — over 90% of the product we ship to the US Mainland. Only 10% we keep for Hawaii. I see now that - farmers have at least 300 people working for sweet potatoes —workers and farmers. The potatoes that we ship to the mainland need treatment. So in the industrial - recent 10 years the available lot, much more than before — the market on the mainland, we ship to California. All farmers there we shaking for price. /say Okinawan potato for whole USA only can grow on Hdmdkua side. We tried Honolulu, we tried mainland, we tried Kauai, we tried Maui... all other farmers fail. All other places, land is not good for Okinawan potatoes. Okinawan potato only grow in the Hdmdkua side. Supposed to be we can get more money back to the farmers but now we no more processing plant so we really need processing plant in the Hdmdkua side. Hakalau point is Hdmdkua center we got good county water in this area and we get all farmers close to the Hakalau side — all farmers around Hakalau. For farmers we need industrial for processing potatoes and the value added production. Then we can send to the mainland or the market. Can get more and more money for the farmers — right now industrial can bring to Hawai'i over 10 million dollars, over 10 million, maybe 15 million. We increased so many jobs for our community — treatment plant, transportation company all get their jobs from potato farm. So for me I wish to keep the industrial zoning on the open processing plant. Thank you. 5. Alwin Raymond, representing A&S Fencing, speaking on the agenda item of promoting the Hakalau Project: Hi, my name is Alwin Raymond. /own a business— a fencing business and — and also cattle. Ido cattle. I'm also partners with Steve Shropshire in the cattle business. I'm for Hakalau, which is — I would like to see business grow in there. You know... hopefully we can get a butchery going over there so we can get grass-fed beef going on the island and sell local and keep all the money on local grounds, you know and — and that's about it. 6. Carol Weldon, representing herself on agenda item regarding a specific tax map key item: My name's Carol Weldon. I'm representing my husband and myself, he could not be here tonight, on designated parcel tax map key 3-5-004:003 on page six. It was taken up in the Hakalau agenda on the 10th. We were unaware that that was gonna be posted on that agenda that day or we would've been there. My husband and I are both from farming backgrounds, generations back. When we came to the Hakalau community, we did a 10-31 exchange and purchased an 11 parcel piece of —11 acre parcel piece of land which is located on the ocean and Kihalani Stream. On that piece of par — land, the reason we purchased it is it had 6.2 acres of Macadamia Nut trees and many, many Palm trees. Having that farming background that was exactly what fit our agenda for retirement. We immediately hired one of the families in the community. He had just been laid off from the sugar cane industry. He was supporting four young children with no job. He has been in our employment for 22 years. We have maintained an agricultural Macadamia Nut farm. I have tax records to support that, all the way back to 1995. You are welcome to review those records. We'll be glad to support them to you. We have sold Macadamia Nuts. We have donated Macadamia Nuts. We've employed other people in his family on our property. As far as I know, there is no cultural value on our property. In 22 years, I've never found even a rock or anything that looked Hawaiian culture. We have a 250 - Page 14 foot straight down cliff so there is no beach access. We have a park in Hakalau and — I mean a park in Papa'aloa. We have a park in Lapa — Laupahoehoe Point. We have a park across the street over here at the school. /cannot see any reason for another park in this community. We ask the committee to please give us a mixed agriculture and open area. And we're not asking for anything out of the — you know — out of the rim of what we're already doing. If any of you would like to come down tomorrow to Laupahoehoe and drive down our driveway and see 6.2 acres of Macadamia Nut trees, a hundred and fifty different species of Palm trees, a garden and two chickens, please come. Thank you. 7. Beverly Molfino, representing herself, speaking on the agenda item Private Property Rights: Thank you so very much. I'm Beverly Molfino and my issue is really property rights. I don't understand the need for rezoning. I am involved in Hakalau Point and I was involved in Hakalau Plantation Village. We're very proud actually of Hakalau Plantation Village and the way it developed. I think that — I'm very nervous. I think that this picture over here that represents part of a dream would be very appropriate there in Hakalau, along with Guo's idea of a processing plant, and the other people that spoke to the farming issues so I'd just like to say that I'm in favor of Steve's dream of Hakalau Point. And it isn't just Steve, it's for —for the community and I think it'd be a very great use of the property. Thank you. 8. Geoffrey Molfino, representing himself, speaking on Private Property Rights: Well, it's quite appropriate that I should follow my wife. I'm not here to hackle — or raise hackles or whatever, but I'm — I'm very strong in my beliefs on private property rights and I feel like, and maybe I'm misinformed because I'm on and off the island a lot and I haven't been up to speed on some of this but what I've been hearing is — is that there is a concerted effort to look at those of us that have invested our efforts into purchasing oceanfront properties and developing them into our homes and — and whatnot and I'm concerned that — that it seems for some reason — I was born in — I grew up in the 50's and the 60's. Everybody respected everybody else. There was — there was very little lookin' over the fence at somebody else's stuff and things have changed and — and this is gonna sound very (inaudible) but we discovered lawyers and things have changed and it's become contentious and this whole process is — is creating contention in the community and some of us haven't committed the time to go to all the meetings because we're — we're busy. For whatever reason, there seems to be a faction that thinks that they come up with an idea, we can use somebody else's stuff to do it. So, I'm curious as to why all of a sudden Hakalau Point is — it's a necessary target to do something else with other than what the guy who bought it, has paid taxes for 10 years — has been waiting for 10 years to do this whole process to be able to proceed with the idea he had, that he paid for. The County of Hawaii had 860+ parcels that they own on the Big Island. If you want to use land that you don't own for some idea you have, go look at the 860 parcels that belong to the public. Don't come after those of us that have, you know, toiled. I've worked 7 -days a week my whole life because I have goals and 1 have desires. /don't look to other people for my needs and it really —it really aggravates me when people look at what I've built and decide, 'Gee, I want— I want a piece of that. I don't wanna work for it but I wanna piece of that.' That's — that's what I feel likes happening with Steve. I've known Steve for a long time. If I were Steve, I would've blown my head off a long time ago with the — with the constant fight he's had over the years of trying to make use of property he owned. And a lot of the people that are trying to facilitate this change, Page 15 they were here at the same time we all were. I — I started my life in Hawaii on Oahu. I'm a Navy brat. I left, I came back 25 years ago now and it just— it's just troubling to me. Anyway, thank you very much. 9. Michelle Betz, representing herself, speaking on Hakalau Point: I don't need a mic. I'm just gonna take a few seconds. I guess, I'm just kind of learning about all of this stuff and I think my biggest concern is essentially this issue of rezoning or reclassification or re -designation of an individual's property to some other designation and it concerns me as a property owner along this coast. How is this gonna affect me? Am I the next in line? If somebody — somebody wants to classify my property as Open, I really, it scares me quite frankly so /just wanted to get that on the record. Thanks very much. 10. Earl Fujikawa, representing developer and Hakalau Point: Good evening. My name is Earl Fujikawa and I'm from Hilo originally. At the age of 15, 1 moved to the Mainland — the San Francisco Bay Area. I lived therefor 30 years then ventured to Seattle. All through the years, I've seen so many kids moving from Hawaii to the Mainland. Why? No jobs. Steve has a good idea. This is the reason why I'm here. I live in Volcano. I drove all the way here to tell you people follow Steve. His intention is good, providing jobs. If you don't have a job, the kids not coming back. All/ can say is follow Steve for the good intentions. Thank you. Some of you know who I am. I am the grandson of KTA and when I was living in San Francisco, I flew back to Hawai'i. /created the Mountain Apple brand to help the people of Hawaii. Thank you. 11. John Fitzgerald, representing Steve Shropshire, speaking on Hakalau Point: Good evening. My name is John Fitzgerald. I just wanted to throw a little historical perspective on Hakalau Point. I moved — born and raised on Molokai and I moved to the Mainland with my (inaudible) over there when I was fifteen. I came back in 1969 and went to work for C. Brewer & Company as a mechanic (inaudible) management trainee. I went to work for Pepe'ekeo sugar in 1970 and Hakalau was a bustling community. There must've been at least 200 homes in the Hakalau area. Hakalau School was vibrant. Wailea was a bustling community. The whole Hdmdkua Coast with the Hawaii sugar industry was a very — a very active, very bustling place. And what I've seen in my lifetime, which has only been 74 years but anyway, when I was a little boy, we could open the — the window of life and you could look out and you could say to yourself, 'Gee, what do I wanna do when I graduate from high school? What do I wanna do when I graduate from college?' The opportunities were endless. In 1969, there were 20 plantations in the Hawaiian Islands, that means 20 managers, 20 assistant managers, 20 factory superintendents, 20 harvesting superintendents, 20 cultivation superintendents, and right on down the line. Under them, you had all their — their sub -superintendents and there were supervisors under them and then all the people that came under them that actually got the work done, the truck drivers, the (inaudible), the irrigators and whatever. You're talkin' on this island alone when the Hawai'i sugar industry went out of business, you're lookin' at 40,000 jobs were lost and the sad part about that is I was here in the 70's when the life of the land came along and decided that we needed clean water because there was a Federal Law that was written to protect the Potomac River that says you cannot put the type of water that the sugar industry was putting into the ocean because it was a navigable waterway in the United States of America. Well, that law was written to protect the Potomac River, not the Pacific Ocean. However, our government officials just kinda let it blase through and — and I'm not sayin' that was the demise of the sugar Page 16 industry but it sure wasn't helpful 'cause when you have to pump all that muddy water back uphill, take (inaudible) cane out, let it filter the — the — the turbidity out of the water through three or four different settling ponds, then you have to muck out the settling ponds, you're talkin' money. Now, the sugar industry is gone and those opportunities are gone. I mean, thousands of opportunities and those are direct opportunities, not even including the indirect opportunities like KTA Stores and — and clothing stores and restaurants and whatever. So in my case — am I done? Ms. Gomes: Yes Mr. Fitzgerald: Well l support Steve's project because it's gonna help provide jobs on the Hdmdkua Coast in one way or another. Thank you. 12. John Kaye, representing Hakalau Point Preservation Association (HPPA), speaking on the agenda item of Hakalau: Thank you. /guess — I spoke at the last meeting and I'm not gonna repeat myself. I just think there's about two or three points to keep in mind tonight. First of all, we're talking — not talking about a zoning change at all. The zoning for Hakalau Point is Industrial. It has always been Industrial. When Mr. Shropshire bought it, it was Industrial. It was nothing else and it will remain Industrial. What the CDP is about is after getting everybody's input in terms of aspirations in what it would or should look like. The idea was that if you read the CDP, the community has said we want to preserve oceanfront. We didn't want houses built all over the oceanfronts. We wanted to have ocean views for everybody. We wanted the idea that everybody on this island should be able to share in this rich, beautiful place that we live. And that was the idea behind it and it still is the idea behind the CDP, I believe. And so, what the CDP has done is say, Mr. Shropshire's land will remain Industrial but for purposes of ever rezoning it into something else, that could be problematic because we would like to have it Open, but you keep your Industrial zoning and I think that's really important for everybody to see. The second thing is all of this — 99% of everything Mr. Shropshire is asking for, he's had 10 years to do under the Industrial Zoning. All of this can be done through Industrial Zoning, including the restaurant. It all could be done. Third is if you take a look at Mr. Shropshire's dream, he's had other dreams in the past. They have been for resorts on Hakalau Point. They've been for oceanfront homes on Hakalau Point. This is the latest of his dreams. He has submitted plans, withdrawn plans, submitted plans, withdrawn plans, over and over again and I think it's important for everybody to keep in mind that again, there is nothing that has prevented Mr. Shropshire from doing any of this. There's nothing that would prevent him from doing it tomorrow or the next day with his current Industrial Zone. He bought it Industrial, he keeps it Industrial. That's all. 13. Arto "Pako" Woods, representing himself and speaking on the agenda item of Hakalau Park: Hello everyone. My name is Pako. I live in the Honomu area. I use Hakalau a lot, from taking my kids swimming there during the summer throughout the winter months, to fishing, you know, kinda sustainability yeah. I know Dylan really well, for like about three years now. He's a really good guy. He lets me access his land at any time whether it's hunting and fishing like I just stated. My big thing is when I heard the interest of building a park on Hakalau Point, the first thing that came to my mind is like, wait, we have a beach park down here. We have no bathrooms, basically nothing you know. There's a bunch of porta potties that are really, really bad. Why not fix up the park that we have instead of building another park? You know, so Page 17 that's my thing. And then for us local people it boils down to sustainability. If they wanna put this project up here that would provide jobs for us local people that we don't have to move out of our community into the areas like Puna that are more a — affordable if you will for us, then I'm all for it. Thank you. 14. Mitchell Anderson, representing the farming community, speaking on agenda item rezoning of Hakalau: Farrah, can I ask a question before? I'm a little confused because this item says change the designation of these parcels from Industrial to Open. That gentleman just said that's not what the agenda item is. Ms. Gloor: So just to clarify there are some different designations that we're talking about. The CDP is referring to a Land Use designation that corresponds to the General Plan designations that are used in the Land Use Pattern Allocation Guide Map so we will talk about that later, but we are not changing zoning. So, this relates to future options as far as the landowner ever seeking to change a zone — to rezone. It does not change the current zoning so we will have more information about that when the presentation continues. Mr. Anderson: So, I have a Ph.D. in Mathematics. I don't understand what she just said. I don't think I need that (microphone). I've taught — I taught my first class in 1981 and — and usually the classes is this size. So, like I said, I'm a mathematician but I come from a different perspective than Mr. lee because I just started farming with my wife — sweet potatoes on the Hdmdkua Coast. So, I'm here to talk about that today. Just to give you an idea, some of the challenges that the farmers face and — and how the Industrial park might help some of that and how much really, the farmers give back to the community. We had 8 acres our first time which is relatively small in comparison to some of the farms out there. I think we spent $60,000 on fertilizer and paying workers, gas and food and — and chemicals, etc. All that goes back we buy — since then, we've spent way more than that on a tractor and implements and — and fencing and all that goes back to places like BEI, Del and the restaurants and the farmers when — when they do well, they go buy houses, some of them rather expensive houses and they pay nice County taxes on that. So, it's a very good business if it works well but there's a lot of challenges there, really every man for himself, right Mr. Jee? There's no organization. Something like this could prove — could actually act as a focal point, maybe start a — like Michael said, maybe start an organization something like the coffee co-ops that provide support to the farmers. We could certainly use — when I got into this and started to expand a little bit — ended up buying a warehouse. We really don't have enough warehouses, processing plants, places to wash the potatoes and — and box them up, etc. So these are the kind of things that the industrial park could — could serve. Also, I don't think as — as good as the sweet potato industry has been going, it has — it's not nearly optimized. We leave — I would have guessed we probably leave a million pounds of sweet potatoes in the ground or throw them out. They could go to feedstock. They could go to biofuel. They could go to distillery. They could go to potato chips. Theresa lot of things they could go to and we're just throwing them out so there's — there's a lot of room for improvement and something like this could help — could help that along. Thank you. 15. Steve Shropshire, representing the Shropshire Group, speaking on agenda item Hakalau Point Map Designation: Thank you. First of all, I wanted to acknowledge everyone's presence here tonight. /wanted to thank the Steering Committee for all their past works. You know, I think we need to recognize that there are divisions in our community with regards to the long-term Page 18 dreams and visions for Hakalau Point and we've been really hearing one side, which is this sort of park concept. And as you can see tonight, there — there's another vision, another dream. I wanna also start by asking you to focus on the issue of fairness. This is my private property. It's not public property and I've spent 10 years investing in my dream. I've spent time, energy, money, capital. We've also been very active in this process. By doing so, I've forgotten how many meetings we've been to — lots and lots of meetings for 6 years, just like many of you have in this room. There's a — there's a segment of this community that says we want a park or nothing. I wanna remind you that over a year ago when I was approached by Susan Forbes, I agreed to enter into negotiations to sell our property to the Public Natural Open Space — Public Access Open Space Natural Resources Commission known as PONC. At that time, I laid out specific terms and conditions which included my price and also a timeline. Recently, a few months ago, since the timeline had passed, there was no activity. There was no — there was nothing presented to me by the County. I said, look, I want a decision by October 3d of this year. I want at least, if not a check, I want a letter of intent that tells me you are serious about it. I want a — want a proof of funds. I want an appraisal that's accepted by the County of Hawai'i by October P that's 5 days from now. So, I — I'm willing to negotiate, willing to work with the community. We have a vision. You heard about the vision tonight. The vision's supported by the community and I disagree with John Kaye's comments earlier. You know, the reason we haven't accomplished these dreams is because retired people like John have nothing else better to do than to attend these meetings and fight me every step of the way. So, we're gonna be here — we're gonna go forward on an — on an industrial project that doesn't require a change of zone. But the — but this action tonight will disallow me from being able to do a SMA Major. You guys know that. Everybody knows that. Yes, it does. Yes, it does. You go and ask the County of Hawaii. It does. There's a policy issue that does not allow a change of zone to an SMA Major — or not a change of zone but a SMA Major Permit Application — Change of zoning — No, not a change of zone. Pardon me, an SMA Major Application will not be approved unless there's concurrency with the General Plan, the LUPAG and the community — that's fact. Thank you. Ms. Gomes: As a reminder to everyone in — in the audience, our Aloha Etiquette even though not on the projector is off to the side so we please ask everyone to please honor the time that the individual providing testimony is given in the process. And, we are looking for just one speaker at a time. So, thank you for your understanding. We will proceed — we will continue with testimony. 16. Alicia Wills, representing Hakalau Point, speaking on the Hakalau issue: Hi, good evening. What a great group of people that I — I am witnessing here tonight. I wish I had an opportunity to know you but I spend all of our day — we get up early and we work to maintain our properties and we — we grow crops and you know the amount of money we spend investing in our farm, it doesn't come back to us. I'd love to see Hakalau Point remain Industrial but Open to people like myself and the rest of the farmers here who are representing all of us in the area. I would love to have a — a reason to come down and — and socialize with everybody, to bring my goods and create value out of products there. And, it's not a selfish development that he's trying to put forward. He's trying to do something to better the community. He's been very —his family's been very generous to the people in Hawaii. I — I just hope that you will help us to bring some Page 19 kind of livelihood back to the Hakalau area. I — at the end of the day, I don't wanna drive down to Hilo, I'd rather visit with you guys at Hakalau Point during the day. This is a beautiful property and he's willing to share it with us and offer commercial kitchens and you know other businesses that we really need in the area so I just — I ask that you please consider that you can't drive away the farmers, we need a — a resource. Thank you for your time. 17. Marissa Harman, representing Kamehameha Schools, speaking on the agenda item of the Pauka'a Map: Aloha ahiahi kdkou, ka Id mai as I turn my attention to the Steering Committee who I'm presenting this testimony to. I'm here to confirm my testimony of September 10th' about our intentions for our lands at Pdhoehoe adjacent to Pauka'a as most people know it. I apologize, at the last meeting, I guess I was not clear enough. I didn't provide specific TMKs but actually, our request is that not to designate as Low Density Urban but to keep the designation that's already therefor both parcel 24 and 25. 1 think your agenda item today was only in regards to parcel 24, so I just wanted to clarify, not asking for anything new, just asking for no change to the current map. For those of you that may not have heard, I think you were all there on the 10th but basically, you know I work for the portion of the Estate that manages our agriculture and conservation lands. So, our intention for the lands that are under the management on this island are really for agriculture. So, when I was here last time, I think I explained our Pdhoehoe lands are our most invested agricultural lands. We've invested in our private water system for our farmers, our roads, our boundaries, our — our security, our fencing. So, this is really the ideal place for us to scale up some agricultural initiatives. We have about 40,000 acres from Hilo to Waipi'o. But, you know, our Hilo lands are really slated for crop food production and so for those that know we're developing a processing facility about two miles from there to support our farmers at Pdhoehoe. It's still under construction, we take a while to do things in our large organization, but I think our test — my testimony last time was we really wanna explore other ways to scale up our agriculture to make it more efficient. And, housing has been a constant issue that has come up so we're looking at opportunities to cluster housing, new models for small farmers or starting farms. We have about 640 acres of usable farmland above this so those makai parcels allows opportunity in the future to continue to be more efficient and scale up. So, we don't have any plans at this point in time but our organization makes decisions for 30, 50, 100 years in advance so that's why we're asking that we just keep the designation we currently have so that we have more opportunities to look at different ways of supporting agriculture. So, mahalo nui. Ms. Gloor: So, to ask a clarifying question, on this map, is it this parcel? Ms. Harman: Yes, the makai. Parce124 and 25. 18. Nick Koch, representing Hawaii Forest Industry Association, agenda item number 3: Hi, this is kind of a — it seems like off -topic, this evening, we seem to have a — a interest item of Hakalau Point on the agenda that seems to be a lot more of interest but I'm here just to — to advocate for trees this evening. I'm a forester. I've lived here a long time and I — I'm the president of the Hawai'i Forest Industry Association. We're proud of trees of all types, native, non-native, everything from mahogany that we see in lower Hdmdkua, Eucalyptus and also the Koa and other trees. There is some language in the current CDP that seems to suggest that windbreaks and other such uses of trees may not be appropriate for certain viewscapes and I just wanna reemphasize the beauty of trees and their central role in Hdmdkua and in people's yards. Page 110 They're beautifiers, I understand that in certain residential areas, large trees, even those Eucs, they get ugly, they get too big. The wrong tree in the wrong place is not a good thing (inaudible). But, I do wanna say, you know, that trees do belong in Hdmdkua and yes, they do get in the way of the view every once in a while but they do have a role. That's all. Thank you. 19. Pam Elders, representing herself, speaking on Hakalau Point: Well, I don't live in Hakalau but I have — I have lived in other communities that started out as agriculture and ended up pretty much paved over. So, I'm very pessimistic about developers who promise a lot of things and — to people and 1 just, I guess I wanna say beware. You don't have it in writing. It might not happen. People come in and they promise jobs and they promise a lot of things to a lot of people and Mr. Shropshire is a developer and that's what he does. He knows the game. And 1, you know, coming from — I used to live in California and seeing California paved over and it's not a pretty sight and it's very saddening to see and I would hate to see the same thing happen on the Hdmdkua Coast. Development and agriculture do not mix. Once something is developed, it has a domino effect, it goes on and on because people say well, the next plot of land doesn't have proper soil, doesn't have whatever and it just goes on and on and on because there's just too many conflicts. So, I just — I just say beware. 20. Susan Forbes, representing Hakalau Preservation Association, speaking on the Hakalau Point: Thank you. It is good to see such a good turn out. I spoke on the 10th about Hakalau Point and I'm the one that submitted the suggestion form to the County that they acquire Hakalau Point to become a park. That — I did that in June of 2015 and its part of a regular — part of an annual process where anybody can make a suggestion to the County. They have a Commission -the PONC Commission that reviews things and rates things. The whole purpose in submitting that application was in recognition of the historical significance of Hakalau Point, plus some environmental issues and the need for protection of the environment. So, the way the process works and the reason I'm testifying right now, I don't need to repeat my testimony from the 10th, is just to clarify what that process is. So, the PONC commission prioritize things, submitted a report to the County Council and then, the County Council — to the Mayor actually, and then the Mayor reported back to the County Council with his priorities and Hakalau Point came up very high, as a 3. The issue after that is — so then what happens, the County only negotiates with a willing seller. Now Mr. Shropshire has said — and this isn't about he said she said — this is about the facts of process, that there was a price stated and that it needed to include another property as well, which would be Hakalau Valley and the County can't make a decision, can't start into negotiations on a property that's not been part of the process so we submitted another application this past June for Hakalau Valley. Now again, the seller has to be a willing seller before any kind of negotiations can start and before any kind of appraisal will take place. We're not at that point. So, I just wanted to clear up — clarify the process and you know, there are differences of opinion and there are different visions and yes, we understand that Mr. Shropshire is the owner of the property and we expect that and will continue to push the notion of the park and —but, respectfully thank you for the opportunity to talk. Thank you. 21. Pete Sparks, representing Ahualoa Community Association, speaking on section 2C, Strengthening Infrastructure Facilities and Services: Ok. Hi, I'm from Ahualoa. I know it's a long way from here and these issues. I'm on the PATH committee. Our — our homesteads were laid out in 1890 or something like that and they just slammed it down the grid. You can see it on Page 111 this little map — on the gulches and stuff. So anyway, then when cars were developed and they paved a few roads, those became the roads people used so half the roads there on this map, you can't drive a car on so our PATH committee has a plan to you know, have walking paths. We'd like to have loops. We would respectfully request the Steering Committee to consider instructing the County or somebody to develop some kind of standards for pedestrian suspension bridges. There — they've been around for thousands of years. I looked them up on the internet. In South America, they make them out of grass and vines, and India, they're made out of Banyan trees, and Japan, they have them made out of Wisteria vines. So, we could make them out of stainless steel cables, they'd probably be pretty cheap and they would let us have loops in these roads. Right now the little dash lines on the map are gulches so you're walking along a nice road not used by cars, there's no chance to get run over. So, it'd be a good place for our residents to walk. So anyway, I'd like you to consider or instruct the relevant agency to consider these for the Big Island. We should see more of them around here. Thank you very much. 22. Seth Wills, representing himself, providing testimony on Hakalau Point: Hi everybody. So you guys listened to my mom earlier and I've been living in Hawaii about 5 years now and I'm a young farmer and so I wake up every day and you know, we have crops that we grow, that we're trying to sell and I find that the hardest thing is not growing our crops, it is finding people to sell them to because I find if I get up early in the morning and I work all day, I don't have time to go anywhere and meet people or make contact, make connections, things like that. And, hearing Steve and Dylan's dream — their idea of like a — a agricultural mecca for people — or a place where people can meet you know, and they can get together. They can eat after work. I think it's a great idea. This would be a great outlet to meet contacts and make connections with people and make friendships and relationships, which is how you grow a community in my opinion. And, I do think it would bring more local jobs, I think it'd be great to have a processing plants and things like that. I mean there is not a actual butcher shop on the island that I'm aware of. That's just one thing that sticks out to me that I'd love to see. Yeah, I — I think it's a great idea. Thank you. 23. Bebo Nadell, representing the Ahualoa Committee, speaking on section 5 of the agenda: Aloha, I'm Bebo Nadell. Yeah, I'm with the Ahualoa committee. And, first off, I'd like to thank everybody for the new fire hydrants that you fast -tracked. That was awesome. It went through really good. And one of the concerns that we have are sidewalks, public bathrooms and high- speed internet, obviously and really needed in the downtown Honoka'a area. And, I'm really impressed with the people coming out for — looking for work and concerned about young people and sustainability. That's something that's always been kind of dear— near and dear to me. About three years ago, I lost my mom to diabetes and related problems and I just recently heard of these dogs that are being trained that can smell low blood pressure and high blood pressure and particularly with children that have diabetes, but they have no use for their pancreas. They have to test themselves like 20- 24 times a day, their blood sugar. And, these dogs save lives. They're not therapy dogs. They're not companion animals. They actually save lives. With PTSD that's going on right now, these dogs are also being used in homes. These are something there's no regulation — no certification regard — in regards to training these animals and they really desperately need it. The diabetes alert dogs are going for $20,000 a dog. That's what Page 112 they cost and people are successfully training them themselves, people that have diabetes because they can't afford this. There's a huge demand for these animals and I think this was really kind of an opportunity that maybe therefor people. You can go online. I've dedicated this year's crop to educational material, training manuals that are going to be going out to the people of Hawaii by way of hospitals and public libraries and that's my way of giving back to the community. Now, if anybody is interested, you can get ahold of me after the meeting and I'd be happy to discuss it but/ think it would tie in very well with farmers which/ am. This is my last year as a coffee farmer. I'm looking forward to retirement. This gives me something to do with my time and I think it's a constructive thing and I'm really looking forward to it. The response that I've gotten so far has just blown me away. I've got one of the largest organizations that train these animals that are willing to back me up and provide training and fast-track whatever it takes to bring it to Hawaii. They've got three working dogs in Hawai'i right now and that's it. They just can't train these animals fast enough. There's a huge need for these animals and I think it's something that could work out really well for the people of Hawai'i. Thank you. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Mr. Neff moved to approve the March 15, 2016 draft minutes as submitted. Second by Mr. Kurokowo. Motion passed with 5 votes aye, 0 votes nay and 1 vote to abstain (Ms. Gomes chose to abstain because she was not present at the March 15, 2016 meeting). Mr. Neff moved to approve the September 10, 2016 draft minutes as submitted. Second by Ms. Pahi'o. Motion passed with 5 votes aye, 0 votes nay and 1 vote to abstain (Ms. Gomes chose to abstain because she was not present at the September 10, 2016 meeting.) BUSINESS: 1. Consideration of Proposed Revisions to Draft CDP Land Use Maps (Policy 1): Ms. Gloor outlined the remaining steps toward CDP adoption, reviewed the format for discussion during the meeting, and went over the role of the Steering Committee during the review of community input. She asked the Steering Committee to honor the process that has occurred thus far and to maintain the integrity of the process moving forward. Using decision-making handouts, the CDP Planning Team facilitated a discussion by the Steering Committee geared toward preliminary decisions about potential revisions in the CDP land use policy maps. The Steering Committee considered: a. Re -affirming map revisions agreed upon during the September 10, 2016 meeting (refer to the maps included with the minutes of the September 10 meeting): i. O'okala: The revisions preliminarily accepted at the September 10 meeting were to expand the LDU area close to town center (TMK: 3-9-001:023) and reduce a portion of the LDU area close to HWY 19 (TMK: 3-9-001:034). Mr. Moniz moved to accept the map revisions made at the September 10, 2016 Steering Committee meeting. Second by Mr. Neff. Motion passed with 6 votes aye and 0 votes nay. Hakalau: The revisions preliminarily accepted at the September 10 meeting were to change the designation of parcels 2-9-002:079 and 2-9-002:081 from Page 113 Industrial to Open and to revise the Open shoreline area along the coastline to be consistent with the Open area as shown in the current General Plan (2005) (but align the wavering boundary between the Open and LDU areas along he private road on the southern part of the point). Mr. Moniz moved to adopt Option 2 (revise the Open and Industrial areas in the proximity of Hokolou Point to be more consistent with the current Generol Plon (2005)) os presented in the September 10, 2016 Steering Committee meeting. Second by Mr. Carvalho. Additional discussion by the Steering Committee led to a friendly amendment to the initial motion. Mr. Moniz moved to odd o friendly amendment to his previous motion — to align the wavering boundary between the Open and LDU areas along the private rood on the southern port of the point. Second by Mr. Carvalho. Original amended motion foiled with 3 votes aye and 2 votes nay (Ms. Pahi'o & Mr. Neff). The Steering Committee needed 5 affirmative votes for the motion to carry and so, after further discussion, it was clear the committee was unable to agree on an option for Hakalau. It was decided that the Planning team would research new options for moving forward and consult with Corporation Council prior to the next Steering Committee meeting. b. Map adjustments in Pauka'a: Option 1 is to maintain the January 2016 Draft CDP agricultural designation for parcel 2-7-003:024, and Option 2 would designate parcel 2- 7-003:024 as LDU. (Note: Earlier testimony provided from Marissa Harman from Kamehameha Schools clarified that the initial request for consideration also meant to include parcel 2-7-003:025 in the LDU.) The Steering Committee discussed both options at length and also asked Kamehameha Schools representative, Allen Salavea, to clarify the intentions of the landowner, Kamehameha Schools, in their request to designate parcels 2-7-003:024 and 2-7- 003:025 as LDU. Mr. Salavea clarified that the intention is not to develop residential density in this area, but to allow flexibility to develop housing options, perhaps on a lease basis, for agricultural worker housing near their agricultural holdings. Discussions centered on parcel 2-7-003:025 being a large coastal parcel and parcel 2-7- 003:024 being highly visible to Highway 19. Concerns were raised that residential development of these parcels would impact the open area viewsheds and visually not provide a distinct rural 'break' between the residential areas of Pauka'a and Papa'ikou. Consideration was also given to the fact that another planning tool, besides the CDP policy map and LUPAG, could likely be used to achieve the landowner's objective of providing agricultural housing, without designating the entire parcels as LDU. Page 114 Mr. Kurokawa moved to maintain the January 2016 Draft CDP agricultural designation for parcel 2-7-003:024. Second by Ms. Pahi'd. Motion passed with S votes aye and 1 vote nay (Mr. Moniz). c. Any additional land use policy map revision based on any new information presented: Not addressed. 2. Consideration of Other Proposed Revisions to Draft CDP: Not addressed. 3. Affirmation of Minor Edits to the Draft CDP: Not addressed. PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS: There were six people who signed up to testify. 1. Steven Strauss, representing himself, speaking on agenda item Hakalau: Could you pull up your CDP features that you had before that I had issues with. Thank you, I appreciate your time. I'm a resident of Wailea. I've lived on the Hdmdkua Coast about 30 years. I used to live in Kaikea Camp and my concern tonight is with this statement and if you see where it says changing CDP Land Use designations does not consist of a legal take in the development rights. I have concerns that that's not true, I'm a Deputy Corporation Counsel but I'm speaking in my personal capacity tonight. I'd strongly encourage you to get an opinion from Corporation Counsel regarding whether a CDP conversion to Open can in fact be equivalent of a condemnation action — inverse condemnation. There's a case recently, involving Maui in which the CDP attempted to convert certain property to Open designation for a park and the ICA allowed a lawsuit to go forward on inverse condemnation determining that although there — the CDP is not the equivalent of a General Plan Amendment because the CDP like Hawai'i County CDP requires passage by ordinance that once you pass an ordinance that's signed by the Mayor, that is law. And that law is what triggers inverse condemnation. So there are other ways that you can approach that but the concern is that if you allow a significant portion of property or even a part of property to be a partial taking, be banked in Open it can reduce the economic liability or eliminate the economic liability of the property even though you're talking about doing it in the future. When we look at inverse condemnation, it affects future rights, not just what somebody can do now and so, I strongly encourage you to get an opinion from corporation counsel, whoever is designated to work with you guys, deal with that issue because I have my concerns that that is not correct. That statement that changing CDP Land Use designation does not consist of a legal development of — development rights is not correct. I have concerns about that, particularly with regard to Open designations. (inaudible) Thank you. 2. Steve Shropshire, representing Shropshire Group LLC, speaking on development agreements specifically regarding Hakalau Point: Correct. Good evening again. First of all, I — earlier I got a little hot under the collar and if I've offended anyone please, I ask for forgiveness. But, I guess what I want everybody to just step back a moment and take a look at, is that there — there's this guiding principle called Smart Growth Development and there's — there's some you know, it's basically an international guidelines that happen all over the world. One of the guidelines of Smart Growth Principles is encouraging collaboration between stakeholders and community. Frankly what — I think what I get upset about is when I come to these meetings often, I get the stink eye, I get the — you know, I just don't feel like I'm a part of this process. And then we end up in this — this fighting match and in the end, the reality is, is that, you know, my private Page 115 property rights are — are protected in the U.S. Constitution. So, I have the whole backing of the United States government that says that if I wanna put up a fence on my property and tell you not come on the property or I don't want you to take my property or you know, I have a right to do that unless you're Native Hawaiian and you have pass rights or unless you have in my case, Hakalau, you're a fishermen and I — which I provided access for. So, I want you guys to think about the benefits of developing community agreements. Let's —how can communities benefit from development? And, you know, there's — there's been a comment tonight about well how do we know we can trust you? Well, community benefit agreements are contracts so we sit down and say what do you need? What do I need? We talk about — this gentleman to the left — about a project being economically viable. If the project's not economically viable, it doesn't go anywhere. But, you know there's a lot of room for movement. You know, I like a lot of the principles of development but it's not them and me. It's not you and me. It's — it's you know, it's gotta be — we gotta work together because obviously, you could take the whole thing from my whole property in Open. Guess what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna fence it, and I'm gonna lock you out. That's just the way it's gonna go and that's a lose -lose. I don't get to win, you don't get to win. What about creating a development project — community development project where we get some economic development, we have access — have public access. We have — we have things we can work together on, common vision. So, you know, as you probably know, I — I propose giving the 83 acres of my property in the Hakalau Valley to community as part of this development plan. That's an example of the kind of things that we're — that we can talk about. Right. But, when we're fighting that stuff comes off the table and 1 just want us all to recognize that and — and I think there's a benefit to having cooperation. And this notion of, you know, setting aside these big ag parcels. I'm a owner of a big ag parcel. What happens? Drive on down the coast, VI Singh, guys come in they spend $SM, $10M, they lock everybody out, put their initials on the gate, lockdown. That's not— that's not the answer either. So, why not take those ag parcels and do (inaudible) or affordable housing, so we have a mix of them, both agriculture and housing. Thank you. 3. Geoffrey Molfino, representing himself, speaking to agenda item of CDP decisions: Basically a question to you guys, part of the — part of the angst that I brought into the room tonight is, is that I've been alive long enough and in enough projects that you look for the punch before it gets to you, 'cause they all come. And, Steve made a really good — Steve actually covered one of my points and that is the question of taking and — and as a private owner, that's a fear that always happens when we're in this process and I have nothing wrong — I have nothing against this process, I think it's really important because when I moved here sugar was still happening so none of the —the residential development that has happened in Hdmdkua had happened yet. We've watched a moderate growth and a dramatic change in the mountain. You know, there were no gates before and there are gates now. But, we have no new services out here and part of my support for Steve's thing in Hakalau is — is, I mean, the town had two or three hundred houses, it had all these services and stuff. It wasn't negatively impacted by having an Industrial zoning, it just was the zoning that was there and when he made his purchase, I am sure that he looked at the — I would have — looked at the Industrial zoning and said "Gee, this gives me a pretty wide palate to look at this project and decide if it's worth doing. And, can I make it prosper?" I had my own situation with a parcel in Laupdhoehoe that it was commercially — it was a commercial village, should have been able to develop some services. We were completely Page 116 stopped because the Highway Department decided after we purchased it, long after, that the highway was now a high speed Federal highway and we couldn't have a turn lane. And so, those kinds of things are enough to fight with and so I'm just concerned that when you say the CDP thing isn't really binding or anything. But, if it wasn't binding, at some point, you guys wouldn't be here doing the work. So, there's — there's a certain fear level that, okay so we make these decisions now, at what point am I going to have to change my plans in order to adopt a little? So that's it. Thank you. 4. Dylan Shropshire, representing Hana Hou Hakalau, speaking on the Hakalau agenda item: Thank you. I think, you know we were talking about Industrial versus Ag. I think it's really important for you guys to understand the differences. So, when we were — when I was back there I just, you know, cross-referenced the zoning law and so, here are some uses that you can do on Industrial that you cannot do on Agricultural land. Bakeries, breweries, wineries, alcohol manufacturing facilities, like, catering establishments, fertilizer manufacturing, food manufacturing, processing facilities, laboratories for medical research, ag research, motion picture studios, slaughter houses, (inaudible). Let's see, what else was there? Restaurants, storage of seed and wholesale distribution. So this is some uses that are provided by Industrial zoning, which by the way, less than one-tenth of 1% of our land is zoned Industrial. I think it's important to recognize that it's not all about the oil smeltering plants but there's other uses that are allowed by the zoning code through Industrial that support the people that were in this room and that's all l ask. And, the one other thing is, I think it was touched upon a few times, is that the SMA... I'm sorry for the back there... but the SMA Major process or Minor process when they look at an SMA, they're looking at the CDP, they're looking at the General Plan. They're looking at all these things so a decision that you guys make will affect whatever happens on that property regardless of the zoning. Will it change what we can do in the buildings right now? Probably not. Will it be able to build another addition to the building? Well, maybe if it's in Open Space, they could say no. So, it does affect it. It — it is a taking and I think you guys need to look at the laws, understand it. But, thank you again for all your time. I don't know how you guys last this long every meeting. It's pretty amazing. So, thank you. S. John Kaye, representing HPPA and speaking on Hakalau: The HPPA stands for the Hakalau Point Preservation Association, just so that you know where I'm coming from. One of the things that 1 think is really important is — there's two things — I'm gonna be very brief to touch on, is number one, the idea of the CDP in the first place. I've read it, you've all read it and I was struck by the goals — the mission. If you read it, it says things like preserve the shoreline, discourage development along the shorelines. We came up with what I thought was a great idea and the County agreed, which was to take Hakalau Point and make a park out of it. That is what has been passed by the PONC and passed by the Council. It's a matter of money, it's a matter of negotiations. They do have their hands tied that they can only pay the appraised value of the land. But that — that is something to keep in mind. But when you read it, this is the community's attempt to say this is our interests involved. This is the public interest involved. This is what WE would like to see this island look like. This is what we would like to see the island's mission be like. And so, Hakalau Point is a gem. There's no question about it. It's a jewel. And, the second thing, so — so what I'm saying is, please before you throw out option three which was to make it all Open, try to remember as to why that decision came out in Page 117 September 10th meeting, which had to do with the fact that the mission of the whole CDP and the fact is — is this is the way to protect and preserve and to do all the things that the CDP says it wants to do. As far as the second point about the takings, I'm a — I'm a lawyer also. I'm a retired lawyer and I would say that this is pretty cedent law. Mr. Shropshire bought zoned land that he was allowed to do all these things on. It was Industrial. It's still Industrial, he can still do all those things. He can sell it to somebody else as Industrial land just like he bought it as Industrial land. There is no taking. And there is no taking if you say that into the future we would prefer to see that Open that it's not a taking because he can turn around and sell it tomorrow as Industrial. He can still make his money on it. There's no taking whatsoever. I think you should check with Corporate Counsel, I agree — but not in the threatening manner that it was expressed to you a couple minutes ago, that you would all be hung if you went ahead and made it all Open. I don't think that that's the case. And then finally, and 01 wrap this up — oh, I will wrap it up. Finally, the last thing is, I agree, this is — this is an ordeal to stay this late. I don't know how you do it. My mind is mush at this point and I — I just have to hand it to you — you're —you stayed on top of this stuff and/ don't—/ admire you all for being able to do this. Thank you. 6. Nick Koch, representing himself, speaking on Kamehameha land use designation request and Hakalau Point: Thank you and sorry for belaboring this yet again. I just have two — three points and 01 keep it really short and — this —forestry — Land Use — (inaudible). There are really a lack of processing facilities for ag products throughout Hdmdkua. You've heard this over and over again tonight, but all you have to do is call Kulana, call the slaughter house in Pa'auilo and find out how long — how many months or weeks you gotta wait to get your animals processed. I'm not saying that this is going to be a slaughter house, I'm just saying, in general, processing of food, processing of wood — which is what I work in, is an issue in Hawaii. This is why ag doesn't work in Hawaii. This is why we need more appropriate development that can allow that to happen. And as to the park, we gotta remember, a third of the island is already a park. The National Park is huge. State Parks are very large. There are already plenty of parks out there that need plenty of help and we don't need to add another one to the list of parks. Now, going to Kamehameha Schools, and their cluster development. And I know this is already settled, it's not — I'm not trying to revisit it but what I am trying to do is — when you see this again, consider that ag, right next to the ocean receives salt spray and this is something we've seen in Hdmdkua (inaudible). Salt spray kills off veg. It's not exactly the most appropriate use of the land to have agriculture right next to the ocean. The other thing, low elevation equals less rainfall. And finally, people don't wanna live way up in the mauka, in the bushes. They wanna live where they can get to work, where they can get to Hilo relatively easily and they want their agriculture in an area where agriculture is more appropriate, where they don't get their stuff stolen all the time (inaudible). Thank you. There were six written comments submitted on pink forms. 1. Reid Nakamura: "In regard to Hakalau Point, the proposed development would be beneficial to the local community, and the younger generation. Opportunities are hard to come by on the Hdmdkua coast and a revitalization of an area previously developed makes great sense. In regard to rezoning to "open". I believe this would be a negative move as it benefits very few Page 118 people. The property would remain private, it just prevents certain kinds of development, namely housing, which may be needed for industrial development." 2. Reginald Takahashi: "Hakalau don't need no park it is a park already the community want jobs, business ag processing, etc not another park. It will provide for the community to help build as one. It is only right for the people in the community to agree & not make a park but better opportunities for the community. I've been going to Hakalau since keiki kane days it need improvement for the development for the jobs & businesses & ag processing." 3. Michelle Betz: "1) 1 am unclear as to how a group of citizens (or anyone other than the property owner) can rezone (or re -designate) a property that they do not own. 2) Sustainable development can be good for the entire community particularly mixed development that includes processing support for small farmers etc. (e.g. coffee coop) I support Hana Hou Hakalau development. Zoning should stay as itis. 3) How can it be industrial AND open?" 4. Bebo Nadell: "Honokaa needs sidewalks & bathrooms in Downtown Mainstreet in addition high speed internet" 5. Seth Wills: "I am a farmer from Papoikou. As a local farmer I would like to see the Hana Hou Hakalau Project move forward in the hands of Steve Shropshire. 1 believe it would be greatly beneficial for the community as a gathering place for local farmers to market their produce as well as other value added products. I believe it would boost the local economy as well as create a wonderful environment for families to gather and learn more about local agriculture. We do not want another state park." 6. Bronson Reid: "I am a young farmer in the local area and believe that Hana Hou Hakalau project can benefit the local economy, as well as make a beautiful market for generations to come. What Steve and his son are doing are making jobs and taking a decaying piece of infrastructure and making it a vibrant mecca for farmers to bring fresh local produce, and keep the money on island. I hope to see the project follow through and create a new future, our own history, for our kids and us. We don't need another park, fix the one we have." NEXT STEPS: Saturday, October 22, 2016 was suggested as the next meeting date. All Steering Committee members will let the planning team know their availability for October 22 via email. ANNOUNCEMENTS: None Ie101Io111N►1LTA IaL1II Ms. Pahi'o moved to adjourn the meeting. Second by Mr. Neff. Motion passed with 6 votes aye and 0 votes nay. The meeting adjourned at 10:15pm. Page 119