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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2017-04-06 Hearing Transcript - Jan Valdez USE 17-066WINDWARD PLANNING COMMISSION COUNTY OF HAWAII HEARING TRANSCRIPT APRIL 6, 2017 A regularly advertised hearing on the application of JAN VALDEZ (USE 17-066) was called to order at 9:02 a.m. in the County of Hawaii Aupuni Center Conference Room, 101 Pauahi Street, Hilo, Hawaii with Chairman Gregory Henkel presiding. COMMISSIONERS PRESENT: Joseph Clarkson, Donn Dela Cruz, Gregory Henkel, Donald Ikeda, and Myles Miyasato. ALSO PRESENT: Michael Yee (Planning Director), Malia Ho (Deputy Corporation Counsel for the Windward Planning Commission), Jeff Darrow (Planning Program Manager), Maija Jackson (Planner), Christian Kay (Planner), Shancy Watanabe (Planner), and Sarah Hata-Finley (Commission Secretary). And 8 members from the public in attendance. APPLICANT: JAN VALDEZ (USE 17-066) Application for a Use Permit to allow the establishment of a two-bedroom bed and breakfast operation within an existing three-bedroom dwelling situated on approximately 40,336 square feet of land within the Single -Family Residential (RS -20) zoning district. The property is located within the Honoli`i Pali Tract on the south side of Honoli`i Place, about 600 feet south of the Honoli`i Place/ Pauka`a Drive intersection, Pauka`a, South Hilo, Hawaii, TMK: 2-7- 015:012. HENKEL: The first order of business today on the agenda is Applicant, Jan Valdez, USE 17- 066. If there's anybody that would like to testify, please fill the sign -out, sign -in sheet by the door and submit it to the staff If you have written testimony to any of the agenda items, please submit it to the staff also. So, looks like Maija's going to make the presentation, all right? JACKSON: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good morning, everyone. COMMISSIONERS: Good morning. JACKSON: Okay, the first item on the agenda today is a Use Permit request from Jan Valdez. The subject property is located in the South Hilo District in the community of Honoli`i. You can see the property located where the red dot is shown on the screen. So, running in a north -south direction, we have the Hawaii Belt Road. And, then, coming off of that is the road to the property, which is called Honoli`i Place. EXHIBIT A This is a closer -up view of the property outlined in red. Again, you can see Hawaii Belt Road running through a north -south direction west of the property, and then Honoli`i Place coming off of Pauka`a Drive. And, then, the popular Honoli`i surf spot is located just south of the property. So, the subject property is zoned Single -Family Residential – 20,000 square feet which is shown in the light yellow color. And, then, properties across the highway are zoned Single -Family Residential – 15,000 square feet in the mustard color. The General Plan designation for the property is Open, which is shown in the green color. Normally, residential subdivisions don't occur in Open zoning, but this subdivision was created before the first General Plan was ever adopted so that explains why that's shown as Open. And, then just north of the Open area and to the west is Low Density Urban which does allow for Single -Family Residential uses. This is an aerial view of the property and surrounding area. Again, you have the highway, Pauka`a Drive, and then Honoli`i Place. The property is outlined in red. You can see it is part of a community of about 16 homes that take access off of Honoli`i Place. The property currently has one single-family dwelling on it, and you'll see more photos of the property coming up soon. So, the Applicant originally applied for a 4 -bedroom bed and breakfast operation but has since downsized the request to a 2 -bedroom B&B operation. She's requesting to legitimize the establishment of a 2 -bedroom B&B with an existing 2 -story, 3 -bedroom single-family dwelling. The B&B has been operating since at least June of last year, and two of the bedrooms are used as guest bedrooms. Those are located downstairs, and the property manager resides in the third bedroom on the ground level floor. Self-service continental breakfast is provided to the guests, and three parking stalls are provided on site for guests, and the property manager parks in the 2 -car garage. This is a site plan of the Applicant's request. So, at the top of the slide is Honoli`i Place, and then the driveway comes off on the west side of the property here along the property line, and it goes down into a paved parking area. And, you'll notice a big "x" on the site plan, and that is where Ms. Valdez was originally proposing to construct two more bedrooms for a 4 -bedroom B&B, but, again, she has downsized her request to a 2 -bedroom B&B within the existing dwelling. You can also see on the site plan she notes four parking stalls here, and the garage is located over here. The guest rooms are on the south side of the house. Oops, so, this is a view of the property from Honoli`i Place. It's a—it's a steep paved driveway down to the house and then you can see the garage on the left side and the main home in the center of the slide. This is another view of the house. Again, the garage is on the left side, and the main house is in the middle of the slide. And, a closer view of the garage. This is one of the guest bedrooms. This is the self-service continental breakfast area. There's a counter, a little refrigerator. There's a microwave which EXHIBIT A 2 we actually have asked Ms. Valdez to remove because only one kitchen is allowed in a single- family dwelling. When you have a heating appliance and an area to wash food, it's considered a kitchen. So, Ms. Valdez told me this morning that if the permit is approved, she would have food prepared in the main kitchen on the top floor. This is Honoli`i Place looking towards the driveway. There's a gate here and then the driveway drops pretty significantly to the property. And, this is a view of Honoli`i Place looking north and south. So, the south view is looking at the dead-end cul-de-sac. There is a no parking sign right here on this pole, and then the view looking north shows about 13 to 15 feet of pavement with no shoulders. So, the Planning Director is recommending denial of the Use Permit application because the B&B would adversely impact the community's character and surrounding properties. We have received testimony both over the phone and written from several of the neighbors, and you can see the yellow denotes letters that were submitted when the slide was created. We've since received one more letter from a neighbor that lives on this Lot 11 here. And, then the blue denotes phone calls that were received in opposition to the Department. Ms. Valdez's property is here, and there is one existing B&B that was permitted several years ago, and that's shown in the green. The two main reasons for the denial request, the reason the Director feels it would adversely impact the community is because a lot of the testimony we received, folks had concern about whether guests would park on Honoli`i Place which is pretty narrow, and this is a neighborhood where a lot of the kids in the neighborhood play on the road, play along the road. So, there was that safety concern. Another concern the neighbors had was that Ms. Valdez doesn't actually reside on the property, and she's hired an operator to basically run the B&B as a business rather than residing on the property. The other B&B that's shown in the green, that is owner -occupied, meaning the people who are operating the B&B also own the property. And, let's see, since you received the Background and Recommendation, we—we have received additional testimony that should have been in your folders this morning, and I'll just go through that, that list. There was an email from Judy—Judy Moa dated April 5th. There is a letter from Craig Severance dated April 5th. And, then there is an email from Ms. Valdez's new operator, Keith Stephenson dated April 5th; an email between me and Keith dated April 5th; and an email from Keith providing a letter to the Department of Health. I'm sorry, that email was from Vicki Stephenson dated April 5th. And, then, one more letter again between me and Keith dated April 5th. So, you should have one -two -three -four -five new pieces of paper. And, then this morning, we just received a photograph from one of the neighbors, Cherlita Gutteling. I hope I'm saying your name right. And, she'll provide more explanation of why she submitted the photograph. That concludes my presentation. I'd be happy to answer any questions. EXHIBIT A 3 HENKEL: Thank you, Maija. Are there any questions of staff from the Commissioners? Mr. Clarkson. CLARKSON: Yes, I have a, I have a question. Could you please show the diagram that shows the proposed parking for the facility? JACKSON: Here you go. So, there are one -two -three-four parking stalls shown along CLARKSON: Okay, and then going back to the photograph of that area. JACKSON: So, this is a distant view of that area, but it would, it would be right along here. And, I'll CLARKSON: —And, I JACKSON: —show you a closer view here. So, it would be parking perpendicular to the house along here. Let's see if I have another one, now. There. CLARKSON: Yeah, I can, II have concerns about the practicality of that kind of parking set up. It looks to me like the cars would block anybody from turning that's coming out of the garage and heading up the driveway, and I don't know how they would necessarily turn around to head, head first out the driveway. Thank you. HENKEL: Any more questions of staff? Yes. MIYASATO: Good morning, Maija. JACKSON: Good morning. MIYASATO: I heard in your presentation that the Department had concerns with that microwave. I was just more curious on what is the general, I guess, position with this unpermitted use. Are they, has formal letters been written or where are? JACKSON: —Are you referring to the second kitchen in the home or the use, the MIYASATO: —Just the general unpermitted use of the bed and—the B&B. JACKSON: The B&B, yeah. So, no warning letters or notice of violations have been issued for this because the reason this came about is Ms. Valdez came into the Department on her own and applied for an SMA Minor Permit in order to construct that second dwelling for the two additional rooms. And, so that's how the Department discovered she was operating a B&B. And, then staff informed her she needs to come in and apply for a Use Permit with the Planning Commission. And, our general practice has been as long as somebody comes in and applies, and there is an active application, we allow them to continue to operate until the Commission makes a decision to approve or deny. EXHIBIT A 4 MIYASATO: Okay, thank you. HENKEL: Any more questions from the Commission of staff? Okay, thank you, Maija. Will the Applicant or their representative, and/or their representative please come forward? VALDEZ: Sir HENKEL: Please be seated. VALDEZ: Here? HENKEL: Yeah, that's fine, and we'll swear you in and then you can give your testimony. VALDEZ: Thank you. HENKEL: So, would you both please raise your right hand? Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth on this matter before the Planning Commission? VALDEZ: I do. HENKEL: Okay. STEPHENSON: Yes. HENKEL: Awesome. Please state your name, where you reside, and proceed. And, speak into the microphone, please. You can probably share the one that's right there. VALDEZ: My name is Jan Dean Valdez. I live in Honolulu, Hawaii permanently. I—what else am I supposed to answer? I'm 83 years old. II'm sorry, sir, I forget the rest— HENKEL: That's fine. Your name and where you reside, and then now you can proceed with— VALDEZ: —Thank you, sir HENKEL: anything you else you have to say. STEPHENSON: Good morning. I'm Keith Stephenson. I currently reside at 131 Honoli`i Place. Moved here from California to pursue a life here on the island and be with my ohana. HENKEL: Okay, my next question would be did you receive the Planning Director's Background and Recommendation Reports? STEPHENSON: Yes, sir. HENKEL: Do you agree with the Recommendation? EXHIBIT A 5 STEPHENSON: I do not. HENKEL: Okay, what further comments do you have on that? STEPHENSON: I think it pertains to being a part of the community—my concerns are equal with the neighborhood, and in hopes of obtaining the permit here, that would make me an active and engaged participant in the neighborhood with absolute concerns in upholding what everyone's concerns are and address them accordingly. HENKEL: Okay, thank you. Is that all? STEPHENSON: Would HENKEL: —Well, I'm going to ask the Commission if they have questions of you and the Applicant so you can respond to those also. STEPHENSON: Okay, sure. HENKEL: Commissioners, are there any questions of the Applicant? Okay, then you may be seated. STEPHENSON: Okay. HENKEL: Thank you. VALDEZ: Are you done? Am I supposed to go? HENKEL: Would you like to speak? VALDEZ: Yes, sir, I would. HENKEL: Okay, please speak into the microphone, though. VALDEZ: Would I, am I allowed that, sir? Okay. HENKEL: Yes, you are, absolutely. VALDEZ: I don't think I can hold it. Forgive me, but I've gone through such stress over this because of my former person that I have lost most of my eyesight. I can no longer read without a magnifying glass. I did not know stress could do such a terrible thing, so bear with me, please. I was here over 40 some odd years ago with my husband when we built Hilo Val Hala. I'm not a stranger, a newcomer to Hilo. Only I have bought a house next, I bought Dante Carpenter's house next door to the lighthouse. I've tried to live here, sirs. And, unfortunately, I was shot 12 years ago five times and died, and I've been trying to get a house that I could live in, and I can't. I'm scared of my own shadow. I bought the house in Honoli`iforgive meI bought it to live EXHIBIT A 6 in and have a life, and I tried it for two months, and I couldn't handle it. I'm not looking for sympathy. I'm looking for understanding. I bought the house and moved into it, and I realized I could not live in. I can't live anywhere except in a condominium which I have at Bay Shore Tower. So, I had the house on the market for a year, and I tried very hard to sell it, but, you know, property values are not very great here. They will be one day. You wait and see. And, someone said, why don't you try a bed & breakfast, and I didn't know about it, but I did, and I worked with a young lady. We learned together, tried to learn, and we became very successful. We paid six -seven thousand dollars in taxes at this point alone, and hope to continue to do that. I have made it very pretty. All the—all the visitors so far have been very positive. They come early. They leave early. They stay all day. They come back. They sleep there. They get up, and they leave again. And, they write good `ole things that no one on the island has ever given a lei except us. And, we buy leis for every visitor that comes, and we try to treat them like theyI want them to see Hawaii the way I see Hawaii the 40 some odd years I've been here. And, I would like to have the license for everybody's benefit—taxes, for the tourists, and I only have one request. I know you don't want me there. I understand that, but I have people coming, and I don't know—Beverly took everything off the list, so we have no way to get in touch with any of the people to let `em know not to come. So, they're going to be coming starting today. I have nowhere to put `em. I asked Maija to help me. I don't know what she said. I can't even have those people in the house she doesn't think. It's up to your, your—your decision to make — I don't want to put `em in the street. They don't know where to put `em `cause it's Merry Monarch. I'm sorry. I'm emotional because of my eyesight and everything. Forgive me, but thank you for letting me say what I have to say. God bless you. HENKEL: Thank you, Ms. Valdez. Commissioners, are there any questions for Jan Valdez? CLARKSON: Yeah, I HENKEL: Mr. Clarkson CLARKSON: have a question. It occurs to me that there are several options. You've talked about your inability to live in the house as a permanent resident. And, what about other possibilities like long-term rental to a family that would, you know VALDEZ: I, I don't want to be long distance any more. I'm old. I want to, I have all my units on the market in Honolulu for sale except one that I'll be living in, and I will keep Bayshore to come and visit and attend HENKEL: —Could you please use the microphone? VALDEZ: Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Forgive me. I am selling everything I own in Honolulu. I'm too old to be in the rental business especially almost blind. I will go blind. It's just a matter of time, and I'm gonna try to not be stressed. I didn't know stress did this, but it does. EXHIBIT A 7 And, I, I can't live in the house, and as far as renting, I have had people tell me why don't I turn it into a drug center. I've had people even say why don't you just bring the homeless over and let `em camp in the yard. Well, I'm not built that way, sirs. Not at all. I do things the right way, and I expect people to do the right thing also. And, I don't have any intention of renting it. I'll put it on the market to sell, and thank God I'm lucky to have Hawaiians that have five -six - seven -eight grandchildren here. They came, they wanted to be with, and they will stay in the house and maintain it until it's sold if that's your decision. I -I, I'm too tired and too hurt and too upset to fight any more in life. I don't want any more people telling me how to live. I just want to do the best I can, and I would love to have a bed & breakfast because it'sI'd like to be able to come over and go and visit with the people. I haven't been able to because of my relationship with my ex -manager, and I've just stayed in the—or until I wanted to see what would happen, and I couldn't even wait that long so I decided to change horses in the middle of the stream and find somebody that loves Hawaii and has a reason to be here. And, they do. And, they'll stay in the house until it's sold. So, so don't have to worry about them. They know that. CLARKSON: Thank you. HENKEL: Thank you. Are there any other questions? You may be seated. VALDEZ: Thank you. HENKEL: Oh, do you have anything to add? STEPHENSON: I think I would like to put a little bit out there with my wife and I and our venture to come back home to my home state. We've been involved in trying to find the right opportunity to bring us home, which finding Jan and the opportunity that exists in Honoli`i seemed to be most valid after a few years of looking into other opportunities or options. We collectively decided this would be a perfect venture to look into. It puts us on island, in State. I'm literally 20 minutes from my grandchildren. My son-in-law and his family has grown up in the Honoli`i area, and I think to be able to share this experience with our mo'opuna is quite a treasure. I think it's very important, and with that being said, I think being a part of this neighborhood and community is very important to us. To us all. And, I do firmly believe, with our commitment, to be a good fit for the area and the neighborhood as well as the community. HENKEL: Thank you. Any other questions? You may be seated. STEPHENSON: Thank you. HENKEL: We've got three people signed up to testify so I'll bring all three of them up. Cherlita Gutteling, Robert Duerr, and Gary Maeda. I hope I pronounced your names correctly, but please have a seat, and we'll get you sworn in. If you'd raise your right hands. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth in this matter before the Planning Commission? EXHIBIT A GUTTELING/MAEDA: I do. DUERR: Yes. HENKEL: Thank you. Please, we'll start with the gentleman on the right, and use the microphone. State your name and where you're from, and you have three minutes. MAEDA: Gary Maeda. I live at 100 Honoli`i Place. I've been there for about 18 years with my wife, and currently the, my understanding is it's a residential area, and this is why my wife had purchased the property. For quiet enjoyment. And, with all the grandkids and great grandkids coming by, you know, practically every weekend, my wife is, and myself, concerned about the safety of them running around our property right at the radius of, across from that proposed B&B. And, you know, we've, I've never, or we've never met the owner. Never came around to introduce herself if that's who she is, you know, Jan Valdez. And, because of all of these concerns, and especially for my wife, that suffers from extreme anxiety and under medical care. Anything like this, even now currently, is just stressing her out. We need to consult with her medical primary care doctor, and we have to be taking anti -anxiety medication, and this is not good for her. Not good for me. And, because of all the grandkids coming over constantly, very, very concerned. And, for one thing, it's not a business district. It's a residential district, and I think we deserve the quiet enjoyment that the reason why we purchased that area in that cul-de-sac. That's all I have right now. HENKEL: Thank you. Cherlita, would you state your name, and speak into the microphone and where you're from. GUTTELING: Thank you for allowing me to come and speak to you today. My name is Cherlita Gutteling, and I live at 153 Honoli`i Place, two houses down from the proposed Valdez bed and breakfast. I have lived there since 1994, so I know the character of our neighborhood very well. We are a sleepy, quiet, little residential cul-de-sac with an extremely narrow lane for going in and out. The photo you have shows how tight it is. Sets a limited space for cars and people. Two vehicles meeting have to go onto the grass to get by, off the pavement. There is a single bed and breakfast operation four houses down from us, and I actually supported the owner, Yvonne Bjornen, when she applied for a permit for such many years ago. Supporting the B&B permit for Yvonne was a decision I now regret very much. The current owners of the B&B are a nice family also, but he always parks his truck on the road whenever he has guests, and it makes the road even more narrow than usual. When it rains, it is actually dangerous as it forces cars meeting off the road and onto the grass, leaving wheel ruts and mud everywhere, ruining the lawns. I'm now further upset to learn that there has been an additional recent bed and breakfast operation going on by Mrs. Valdez without a permit. We received from Ms. Valdez informing us of this application, but it was phrased in such a way as to imply this was—this was an expansion of an existing legal situation, not an illegal, unpermitted operation. EXHIBIT A 9 I find it disturbing and very dishonest to not admit that the present operation is already without a legal permit. I resent that our neighbor is being less than straightforward with us and now she wants to expand it further. I am extremely concerned that this will further change our neighborhood in an acceptable [sic] way. Increasing the risk to the children that play in our neighborhood. To generally even walking there as many do for exercise, mothers walk around the cul-de-sac with the babies on strollers. Now, this proposed B&B wants another four or more cars to come and go which is unacceptable. We cannot allow more traffic to any further disturbance of a peaceful life and we peaceful life we deserve and enjoy in our neighborhood. We don't wish to become a resort type destination. Less and less a quiet residential, kid friendly one especially by an owner who isn't even going to live there. That is a different type of neighborhood that we have now. This is unacceptable. If Mrs. Valdez wants to set up a B&B breakfast [sic] for financial gain, please set it up elsewhere. We need our peace and quiet. I wish to conclude by saying to Mrs. Valdez another bed and breakfast business is not welcome in our quiet, happy neighborhood. Please respect that. To the County board, I implore you. Please deny Mrs. Valdez's application for the bed and breakfast. HENKEL: Thank you, Ms. Gutteling. GUTTELING: Thank you. HENKEL: Mr. Duerr, would you state your name and where you reside? DUERR: Yeah, my name is Robert Duerr. I want to thank you for allowing me to speak, and no insult to Ms. Valdez or to Mr. Stephenson. I feel that the proposed B&B is detrimental to the neighborhood. I've lived in the—I've submitted written testimony, and I've lived there since, two houses down, since 1985. The neighborhood's cul-de-sac, the narrowest part of the street is 17 feet wide, and it's also a dangerous entrance and exit to the highway. My concerns are section, in section 25-4-7, bed and breakfast establishments, section b(1), the principal use as a residence by its operator. I have trouble understanding who the operator is because Ms. Valdez in her—in her notices to the neighborhood wrote from a LLC address in Honolulu although the property zoned in the trust and Ms. Valdez here was speaking as a, as a person. So, who is the operator? I have problems with the, with the actions of the property. The property was bought and then was immediately, well, evidently within two months put up for sale. It then became an illegal B&B operation in 2016 and then the—the whole action seemed that basically the property was EXHIBIT A 10 bought as an investment property, and the B&B is seen as the cash flow mechanism to an investment property. It'smy wife and I have lived next to a B&B since, since the mid -eighties. Tourists, many, essentially all tourists, occasionally, there's some local people, Merry Monarch, and, occasionally there are local people, but it's mostly tourist. They're from all over the world. They're clueless. If a, if a B&B operator/owner is not there, you're in trouble. That's my perspective seeing two—two operators operating with, with four rooms. It's 365, 24/7. You cannot take a vacation. Finally, we're a residential neighborhood. B&B's are what they are and when they're in our neighborhood, they're boutique hotels. Tourists need to go to hotels. Hotels are permitted to do visitor trade and they're set up for it. Our neighborhood is not. And, once again, thank you very much. HENKEL: Thank you, Mr. Duerr. Commissioners, are there any questions from the testifiers or of the testifiers? Thank you. You may be seated. GUTTELING: Thank you. HENKEL: Is there a motion to close public testimony? MIYASATO: I make a motion to close public testimony. DELA CRUZ: Second. HENKEL: All in favor say aye. COMMISSIONERS: Aye. HENKEL: Opposed? Motion carries. Public testimony is closed. Is there any discussion and a motion for action from the Commission? Hold that—would the Applicant or their representative care to respond to the public testimony? We'll give you a brief time up here if you wish to respond. STEPHENSON (from audience): Yes. HENKEL: Okay, come up. You're already sworn in, so you can proceed. STEPHENSON: With respect towards the community and the neighborhood, I would like to ensure if we are able to continue this, my wife and I are fully committed to live on site 24/7, hands on, to ensure the easiest flow of transition into the neighborhood with absolute respect to everybody involved. We do understand the concerns in relation to the B&B operation which would lead us to absolutely inform our guests and visitors before they come, while they're here, and on their way out, of the at home residential situation. And, I think if we stay on top of that, EXHIBIT A 11 we're able to be able to bring the people in, show them Hawaii, explain to them our neighborhood situation to allow an easy transition or a respectful flow, and I would [be] more than happy sit down with everyone and try to figure it out that would be best case scenario for everyone. But, I most certainly want to make sure that everyone here knows my wife and I would be here 24/7 to run this operation and do everything that needs to be done to keep it all in respect towards the neighborhood and the community, but that's pretty much where we're at. We're hoping for a little reconsideration with all due respect. HENKEL: Thank you, Keith. STEPHENSON: Thank you. HENKEL: Any questions? Then, you may be seated. STEPHENSON: Thank you. HENKEL: Is there a motion for action? MIYASATO: Chair, you know, before that, I just have a couple comments. I guess we, in our previous meeting, we just had an agendized item on parking within the property and, you know, I just don't see it on this property, the ability for, to accommodate the cars. But, other than that, IDirector, do you have any comments? YEE: Nothing here. MIYASATO: Okay, so I guess with that said, if there's no further comments, that Iat this time, I would agree with the Director's recommendation if anyone doesn't, if anyone else doesn't have any comments, I'll leave it at that for now. HENKEL: Any more discussion or a motion? IKEDA: Move to deny Use Permit No. 17-066 as recommended by the Planning Director. HENKEL: Is there a second? MIYASATO: Second. HENKEL: It's been moved by Commissioner Ikeda, seconded by Commissioner Miyasato to deny USE 17-66. Will you do a roll call vote, please, Maija? JACKSON: Yes. Commissioner Ikeda? IKEDA: Aye. JACKSON: Commissioner Miyasato? EXHIBIT A 12 MIYASATO: Aye. JACKSON: Commissioner Clarkson? CLARKSON: Aye. JACKSON: Commissioner Dela Cruz? DELA CRUZ: Aye. JACKSON: And, Chair Henkel. HENKEL: Aye. JACKSON: Okay, the motion to deny passes 5-0. HENKEL: You'll be notified by the Planning Department of the Commission's findings. Thank you. The discussion ended at 9:40 a.m. Respectfully submitted, Sarah Y. Hata-Finley, Secretary Windward Planning Commission EXHIBIT A 13