HomeMy WebLinkAbout2017-04-17 Public Testimony on SMA 16-063 Contested Case
LEEWARD PLANNING COMMISSION
COUNTY OF HAWAI‘I
CONTESTED CASE HEARING
PUBLIC TESTIMONY TRANSCRIPT
APRIL 17, 2017
The following public testimony was presented at an advertised contested case hearing on the
application of OCEAN VILLAS AT KAHALU‘U BAY, LLC (SMA 16-063) at 8:13 a.m. in the
West Hawai‘i Civic Center, Community Center, Building G, 74-5044 Ane Keohokālole Highway,
Kailua-Kona, Hawai‘i, with Hearings Officer Robert Crudele, Esq. presiding.
PARTIES PRESENT: Stephen Menezes, Esq. (Counsel for Applicant), William Moore
(Applicant’s representative), Paula McMichael (Intervenor), J. Yoshimoto, Esq. (Counsel for the
Planning Director) and Daryn Arai (Deputy Planning Director)
OTHERS PRESENT: Jeff Darrow (Planning Program Manager) and Noriko Sauer (Commission
Secretary)
And approximately 30-40 people from the public in attendance.
APPLICANT: OCEAN VILLAS AT KAHALU‘U BAY, LLC (SMA 16-063)
Special Management Area (SMA) Use Permit application to allow for the development of a
306-unit multiple family residential project and its related improvements including, but not limited
to, internal utilities and driveways, landscaping, recreational amenities such as swimming pools,
and off-site infrastructural improvements such as sewer system improvements within Ali‘i Drive
and an emergency access/driveway improvements within the proposed Kahului-Keauhou Parkway
right-of-way. The affected properties, consisting of approximately 42.551 acres, is located along
the mauka (east) side of Aliʻi Drive and Kahalu‘u Bay, approximately 1,375 feet north of the Aliʻi
Drive-Makolea Street intersection in Kahalu‘u, North Kona, Hawaiʻi, TMK: 7-8-010:004 and
7-8-014:013.
SHARON WILLEFORD: Aloha. My name is Sharon Willeford. I’m a community advocate.
I’ve been a teacher in Kona for 35 years, resident of Keauhou. My son was raised in the area and
he is a fisherman. When he was five, he had a knife on his ankle and a throw net. He knows
every inch of the coast. And he confided in me the other day that the area in front of the proposed
development the reef is dead and there are no fish. I don’t know how we are going to sell
timeshares or whatevers proposed for that area to people, if they know that the sewage is going
directly into the ocean. We’ve had several closings of the beach down there lately. And I don’t
know about you, but I don’t want to swim in somebody’s sewage. Their pharmaceuticals that go
into the ocean, killing the reef. A development like this will contribute. So close to the ocean.
They’ll be using pesticides. And even if they set up a sewage system for themselves, it doesn’t
contribute to the area from Queen Kalama to Keauhou that has no sewers. So these are the issues
that are closest to my heart. Also, for the children, the selling of the children’s land, the Hawaiian
children. And all of the artifacts and the burials that are on this particular parcel, are very sacred
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to the Hawaiians. So please consider that this place should be preserved for the future. Thank
you.
\[There being no other members of the public who wished to testify, Mr. Crudele called the
evidentiary hearing to order at 8:15 a.m.; however, he accepted further testimony at 10:15 a.m.,
as some public members who arrived late requested the opportunity to speak.\]
MITCHELL FUJISAKA: \[Mr. Fujisaka presented an old photograph for those in attendance to
view.\] Those gentlemen that you see in the picture, that’s Henry P. Kekahuna, Naluahine Kaopua
and Theodore Kelsey. I did work with them in 1950 when I was 13 years old. We measured the
heiau-s, historical sites and house sites in Kahalu‘u. There are 23 heiau-s in Kahalu‘u and it’s all
named, 23 heiau-s.
Before that, let me introduce myself. My name is Mitchell Mikiala Fujisaka. I was brought up,
born and raised in Ahupua‘a of Kahalu‘u Makai. I was hānai-ed by my grandmother, Harriet
Hattie Kauina Kahulamū. And my ‘ohana-s from that area are the Kahinu’s, the Wahinepio’s, the
Kainoa’s, the Naluahine’s, the Alapai’s in numerous dimension. Like I said, I was hānai-ed by my
grandmother, and also my grandaunt Mary Kahulamū. As a boy of 13, I was asked by Naluahine
Kaopua, with permission from my tūtū Malia Kahulamū, to help the three gentlemen that you see
there in the picture, to measure the historical and cultural sites in Kahalu‘u. We didn’t measure all
of them. I didn’t know how important it was because of a boy of 13. You only follow the rules,
you follow the sound, you follow the voice. Respect of this historical site was emphasized. When
you went, when we went to a heiau to measure it, Tūtū Naluahine would give a chant in Hawaiian,
Henry P. Kekahuna would offer a prayer in English, a Christian prayer. And then work would
proceed. Respect was no yelling, no spitting on the ground, no urinating around the heiau-s; those
were sacred grounds. So, I say, gentlemen, or sir, I say, with 23 historical sites in the area, what’s
the cultural impact will it have on the area around the cultural site? What was the area around
those sites used for? Was it used to support the heiau-s?
Moving away from the heiau-s, which is my love, we come to the burials. We have our kuleana
that the family still live on; he’s the kahu of the grave site. We have eight generation that’s
buried, eight generations from me back, but there’s more, that’s buried in that grave site. But the
Kahulamū generation goes back four generations. And they are buried on the site, like all of their,
most of the Kahulamū. In that grave site there’s only three outsiders that’s buried there; one was
my grandfather, one was my auntie’s husband and one was my cousin’s husband. Three I shall
not name. Now, my uncle Thomas Kahulamū, that’s a second son of John Robert Kahulamū,
which is my great-grandfather, great great-grandfather, he was a kahu of the caves, burial caves
and burial sites in Kahalu‘u. There were three principle burying methods used: Cave burial, which
everybody knows, you take the body, you go hide it in a cave, fine, the cave is open, you can go
back in there and take the body out; crack burial, that’s burial, we’d find a crack in a lava rock,
you take the body and bury in; third is earth burial. All these burials to hide the body of the
deceased were done at night. And there were kapu-s that had to be followed before the burial took
place. Kahulamū had lots of it, earth burials. The family grave site was a burial site before it was
used for burial, because graves that were, new graves that were done to standard, to Christian
standard, or County standard, or whatever standards you call it, six feet below ground. They
encountered, whatever soil there was before they hit hard rock, they encountered gravings. The
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protocol when you hit, when you dig a new grave, you hit iwi, bones, you take all that bones, you
put it on the side, you take a piece of ‘ili‘ili rock, you put it in a cloth, put saliva on it, it shines,
you put it where the, where you got the bones from, and you continue with the dig; when the
person that’s going to be buried in is buried, they fill it up to where the ‘ili‘ili rock is; you take the
‘ili‘ili rock out, you put saliva on it, you put it back; you take the iwi of the, what you took from
there, you put it right where it is. You’re putting it here. You’re not taking and putting it
somewhere else; you’re putting it right back where it was and where it’s supposed to be. Not now,
you know. I ask you in the audience here: If there is a burial here, a bulldozer come, take the
burial and move it here, where is the burial? Is it here where the bones are found or is it here
where the bones were dug up? Can an archaeologist, who is archaeologist in here, answer it?
Nobody can answer that. They say archaeological studies, archaeological studies. I can do
archaeological studies. But it’s not legal. I don’t want to have the paper. But what if we say we
do cultural archaeological studies? Then you get to the root. Just like when you, the bulldozer
push over a tree. What’s on the bottom of the tree? Roots. So we can get to the roots of all of
this. You know, every time I hear iwi is found, you read in the newspaper, you know, it hurts, it
hurts. What are they going to do with it? They ask, “What are we going to do with it?” Huh?
They’ve got to put it back where you got it from. They was put there, or they were put there for a
purpose to rest in peace. Or not to be made into fish hooks.
So, you know, in closing I would like to say kapu is kapu, is no, no, no. I am very much against
what’s going to happen there, if it does, I am very against it. Thank you.
Oh, another thing, burial in Kahalu‘u, the last burial in Kahalu‘u was done cave burial, was done
in Kahalu‘u in the early 1920’s. Proof, that’s our last burial. And, sorry to say, it is no longer
there; it was dug up, it was moved. It hurt the ‘ohana-s of Kahalu‘u. So, I thank you with that.
WILLIAM FREITAS: Aloha. My name is William Freitas. Everybody knows me as Billy. And
mahalo ke Akua today to have this opportunity to set the mindset of the significance of Kahalu‘u.
I am a descendant of au kupuna, Kamāmalu. I am a descendant of many ‘o wau kupuna. I had an
opportunity in 2011 to restore the Kahalu‘u Wai‘kua‘a‘ala Loko. That’s the remanence of the
pond that you see at Kahalu‘u. That pond was fed by springs that came, and still come, from
underneath the earth, from the pūnāwai-s. It’s sad to see all the changes of Kahalu‘u. As a young
boy, I was fortunate enough to have the moments of Kahalu‘u to be a place of memory where we
gathered from Kailua Elementary School to fish along in Waikua‘a‘ala Loko. And today it’s
actually buried. Recently there was a breach, a sewer breach, at Kahalu‘u, and it closed the park
for a week or so. Today they have a sewer line that goes across Waikua‘a‘ala Loko. The pond is
still there, the water still flows under that sand, but they have a sewer line that goes through there.
So that’s just some of the examples of desecration to a very significant cultural site. Kahalu‘u was
th
known to be one of the main focus areas of our ali‘i-s during the time of the 14 century and many
of the people gathered in Kahalu‘u through Keauhou, Kahalu‘u. Through the years of change
from Kamehameha Bishop Estate Trust, there are many, many untrue things that factored in the
sale of the lands of Kahalu‘u that was under the Trust of Kamehameha. And those people were
held accountable for their actions. The Trust still exists; it’s the actions of each individual that
made Kahalu‘u sold, a piece of land that could be sold. When we look back at history of all the
oppressions that happen to Trust lands from Kamehameha Bishop Estate Trust lands, the people
that operate these Trusts, they are not true; they are just individuals. The Trust is true. We need to
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change that. We need to bring that back in honesty for what Princess Pauahi Bishop asked for that
Trust to be set up by. Her husband, he was bought of the provisional government. We know that
today. And we know that the Trust needs to straighten themselves up or ship out. We need some
honest people in that Trust to operate it. Now, these lands that are sold to this particular
corporation to build this proposal, they are going to desecrate an area that is historical. There are
more than 800 historical sites in that particular area. Archaeologist today hired by where? Not
from here. We don’t have archaeologists that know anything about Hawaiian properties, cultural
properties. So what I’m saying today, Hearings Officer, with all due respect, listen to the people,
especially the kupuna, Uncle Mitchell. He is one of the, he walked in here and he’s ready to walk
out. It’s a blessing that he came, he was able to testify. And I acknowledge that. Mahalo for
letting him testify.
Inadvertent finds, do you understand what is inadvertent finds? \[CRUDELE: I believe so.\] Thank
you. When we understand what is inadvertent finds, how can we proceed with a project like this,
knowing there’s over 800 cultural properties in that site? Kamehameha Investment – look at
Keauhou Beach Hotel, Kona Lagoon, those were very significant historical areas – failed;
corporations buy, corporations buy, fail, fail. Now look at it. Now they are trying to restore
cultural properties there? Come on. Let’s think good about Kona; without these cultural
properties Kona is not Kona. We need to protect these areas. I don’t know how much further I
can go with this, but I can keep going. And I don’t want to take too much time and I promised to
do my best. But this is the truth. I’m not speaking out of turn or I’m not trying to make false
statements. This is the truth: Kamehameha Investment, Kamehameha Bishop Estates, come on,
it’s a Trust for the people of Hawai‘i. Kānaka maoli ko pae ‘āina. A historical property. Thank
you for your time. Mahalo.
JANICE PALMA-GLENNIE: My name is Janice Palma-Glennie and I’m here representing the
Surfrider Foundation’s Kona Kai Ea Chapter. I’m speaking today on behalf of them. We strongly
support the McMichael ‘Ohana in their quest to represent the public in this process and their goal
stopping this development in this location as it is currently configured. We defer to cultural
practitioners and kānaka maoli to understand and present the deeper issues, which make this
compelling case. Therefore, I’m going to speak to my own experience as a person who has been
almost four decades living near and/or accessing the coastline there.
It doesn’t take a study to realize that in many aspects this area is at peak carrying capacity. If
protecting the quality of life of residents, a healthy, natural environment, intact cultural resources,
and a viable and sustainable economy are what this body and other County decision makers are
committed to, they’ll deny the subdivision approval of the land in question until, and if, the
problems that are already exist due to over-development and lack of infrastructure in the area are
addressed, which we believe in actuality cannot be done since sandy accessible coastal areas are
already insufficient to handle the stress upon them. As a person who swam or surfed most days at
Kahalu‘u two and three decades ago, I can tell you that when my mother visits and stays on Ali‘i
Drive is the only time I spend any concentrated time in that crowded area these days, even though
I live in the same ahupua‘a. Kahalu‘u Park is pretty much inaccessible due to lack of parking,
beach space and space in the water. Often there are lines of people getting in and out of the water,
making it feel more like New York’s Coney Island than Hawai‘i. Ditto for La‘aloa or White
Sands Beach, both are overloaded and beyond capacity during winter months when tourist season
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is at its peak. Even in so-called non-peak times the park and parking are overcrowded due to
visitors and surf schools. And, as Mr. Freitas mentioned, a sewer breach is bad portents of things
to come.
As far as traffic, no matter how many roads are built, they are filled before connectors are built.
Crawling is the norm in both directions at most times of the day from Lako to Kam III. A recent
challenge to residents in the area like me is having to wait at the light and a line of cars coming up
Kam III Road when I’ve just gone shopping to KTA Keauhou, normally a five-minute drive, but
now it’s 20 sometimes. With the new bypass it’s only gotten worse. It will continue to do so
without the Ali‘i Parkway, which was the main artery proposed to alleviate traffic to and from the
area. And even that roadway will create traffic knots down the line at Kuakini and other jammed
roads. Most important, with subdivisions like this one approved and started in advance of the
roads design, the road is guaranteed to be hit immediately with heavy traffic.
We feel strongly that this development is untimely. We appreciate that there are some protections
for cultural sites, but it’s apparently not enough. As a person who has been directly involved in
the creation and ongoing work of the Kona Community Development Plan, I question whether this
plan sets the parameters. Somewhat uncharacteristically representatives of this development
proposal have not presented it, to the best of my knowledge, for comment at the Action
Committee level or members of the community, and that group in particular can address concerns
regarding its adherence to the Smart Growth standards within the Kona Community Development
Plan. We ask that officials understand the negatives of this subdivision proposal, which will
saddle residents with another boondoggle, which only those who live here will have to live with,
and that’s not to mention the cultural sensitivities. Rat – I’m summarizing – rats – it’s my final
sentence – rats in a cage comes to mind. And everyone knows that the more rats there are in a
finite space, the less friendly, healthy and happy they are and the more problems between and
around them arise. Mahalo for this opportunity to speak. I really appreciate that you made extra
time for the public.
JOSEPH KASSOL: My name is Dr. Joe Kassol. Thank you for this opportunity. I’d like to state
upfront that I feel that the culturally relevant testimony that’s already been given is the most
important testimony that you may hear at all. And unfortunately, within the alien bureaucratic
paradigm infrastructure that we have here, I am very concerned that it is not given the weight that
it should. And so I hope that you can transcend this western bureaucratic paradigm and reach the
proper conclusion, which respects the host culture here. Without that, all is lost.
That being said, I’m going to talk about things that I feel are rather small in comparison. But
within this bureaucratic structure we have people who are expert who make their living at dancing
around the proper hoops and the maze to affect their economic objectives. And I believe there is
an inherent conflict of interest; for example, in your archaeological surveys, which are superficial
site surveys of the surface that have identified 58 sites, when we hear from people who know the
area, that there are 800. So I want to know if the ark archaeologists who carried out the survey can
guarantee that they have identified every burial site in that site, and that they can guarantee that
they’ve identified every culturally relevant – because I know how their dance works; if you are a
good archaeologist and you do identify all those sites, no one is going to hire you again. Because
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you’ve got to follow the money. And unfortunately, I do not believe that should be a priority here,
but I believe that unfortunately it is.
On another note we can look at rather mundane infrastructure issues. We know that this project
was planned for the larger highway and we know that Ali‘i Drive cannot carry the same capacity.
So it’s already kind of backing off and going into a second-, an insufficient, or will create hardship
for everybody, if not risk.
And lastly, we know that there is global warming. We know that sooner or later, actually, Ali‘i
Drive may be challenged for its very existence. But on the waterfront we know we are
experiencing salinization of our water. We know that it takes decades to recharge our aquifer. We
are reassured by people who honestly can’t reassure us that we have plenty of water, but the lens
in Kona is very small. With decades to recharge and having a drought, how can, and we know that
there’s salinization already, how do we know that can, we can even support an added development
within this aquifer? And lastly, do the people who are making this development care about any of
these concerns? Thank you for your time.
CHAD VILLARIN: All right, yeah, thank you for having me here, and thank you everybody for
coming and showing your support. I may not be a Hawaiian or of Hawaiian ancestry, or I mean of
lineage, but being born and raised on the island I highly appreciate the Hawaiian culture and I
guess what it does for people here. And my main concern is with the ocean and, because I was
growing up on the rocks over there and it’s taught me a lot about who I am and, you know, still
teaches me to this day, so. I have a kid just been born, about one month old, and when I hear that
there is this huge construction property and all the stuff that’s going to be going on, it kind of
makes me wonder if he’s going to have the same kind of childhood as I had. So, yeah, I’m just, I
don’t understand, as all these signs being popped up in the media, you know, the newspaper we
read and stuff that all these signs are pointing to obviously that there’s too much, you know,
people, whatever you want to say that, like, they say that infrastructure can’t handle it, is why we
are pushing so hard to just develop and keep developing. And, it’s, that’s what makes Hawai‘i so
beautiful is the land and, you know what I mean, not the buildings. O‘ahu is a prime example of
that, you know; it’s a beautiful island but, you know, the skyline and stuff just, just, you know,
I’m not saying it shouldn’t be there but it does alter what Hawai‘i is. So, I don’t know, the
cultural significance of the land is just too much to look away from and to just build on, so I think
we should just really consider that. But, yeah, thank you.
BLOSOM PUA BARAIUS: My name is Blosom Baraius. I born and raised in Hōnaunau, Ke‘ei,
Nāpo‘opo‘o. But I had a grandma – the man over there, Richard, he’s my family, and this lady
here is my family. But every morning, every afternoon, I go and check the ‘āina. I go to the Old
Airport, I go to the small place and I go to Magic and Kahalu‘u. He always being in Kahalu‘u. I
always like to keep the ‘āina clean because I, my cousin, and the burial place is so terrible. You
guys think about all kind of places, but mostly you guys think of money – money here, money
there. What reason is for the ‘āina for being, supposed to be clean, not kāpulu. People, that’s why
my community’s family to have one another, to understand one another, and Kahalu‘u Beach
that’s where my family is, too. What’s wrong with people that cannot keep Kahalu‘u place clean,
the Old Airport clean, and Magic? So everywhere I go I see some families fighting or drinking
and getting silly and not listening what’s supposed to be done. The ‘āina supposed to be clean.
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And what you guys are doing is wrong. Supposed to help one another, not to grumble to one
another. All this Bishop thing, you guys doing is not right. Wake up and help the family that need
help. New thing about houses and these when the sillies not doing any good, or ‘āina is not doing
any good. Better do the right thing for the ‘āina and the burial, the Old Airport, Kahalu‘u Beach.
Because this is King Kamehameha islands. New thing because we are Hawaiian or we are
Chinese or we are haole-s or kānaka or different personality. Help each other. Before you guys
talk about somebody else, talk about yourself. If you think about other people, think about
yourself. You have problem like that, talk about it, no argue about it. Wake up and look around,
yourself or other people. Before you talk, don’t talk behind, talk in the front, then everybody can
hear what you are saying. I’m not angry; I’m just upset, is because this King Kamehameha island
is all over and not only here. But take care of the Hawaiian that raised here and born here and
buried here and buried there, at Kahalu‘u, Old Airport, Magic, O‘ahu, wherever they are. Respect
the place. My mother is Keiokalani, and I’m proud to be a Hawaiian. But, respect every, people
that have Hawaiian. But take care of the island and the ‘āina. And I hear Bishop this, Bishop that.
Really? What is that whizzing up, Bishop this, Bishop that? And a lot of money and a lot of
money but not helping with the ‘āina. Wake up. Thank you.
PETER KINCHLA: Good morning, and thank you for the opportunity to speak about this. Peter
Kinchla. I actually spend, and I can honestly say I live and breathe Ali‘i Drive from the pier down
to Keauhou. I run, walk, swim, bike, surf and, and work along Ali‘i Drive. I believe that there are
major issues with everything that is in close proximity to the proposed development. The cultural
and historical significance is being violated. The environment is being threatened. There are
multiple springs entering the ocean the entire length of this development, and I know personally
because I swim there almost every day. There have been, have there been any studies regarding
this fact in the possible pollution that could occur; pollution levels are now at record levels and the
public is being advised not to enter the ocean, other than at their own risk. The health and safety
of residents are at risk. You are now warned about bacteria lurking, if you swim in the water.
God help you, if you walk, run, bike, etcetera, along Ali‘i Drive these days, because you may lose
your life. We need infrastructure improvement before development in this area should be
considered. When was the last traffic study done? Has anybody wanted the area with the
proposed development? Entry and exit is going to be on Ali‘i Drive. It’s absurd to think that this
is not going to create havoc in this area. A proper roadway needs to be built rather than adding
more additional traffic to an already worn-out, overloaded and dangerous Ali‘i Drive. Additional
parking and improvements are necessary, sidewalks are needed all along the entire length of Ali‘i
Drive. I will invi- ask you people in charge if you’ve been to our local hospital lately. In
February I was in the emergency room with my wife, and people were lined up out the door; there
was, there weren’t enough chairs to accommodate these people. My wife got the last room in the
hospital that evening. The next day the nurse told me there were no beds left in the hospital here
in Kona, nor Maui, nor Honolulu. Is this the type of Kona we want to live in? It’s not sensible to
me to build more when you are, when you are, it’s not sensible to me to build more when you are,
till you are ready to accommodate more. Thank you.
CINDY FREITAS: Cindy Freitas. I want to acknowledge my ancestors. He mele komo a he mele
aloha no nā kūpuna i ke au i hala, aloha mai kākou. \[To the audience\] Aloha kākou.
\[AUDIENCE: Aloha.\] I am a descendant, before pre-contact, my lineage goes way back. As a
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descendant, we practice a culture customary living today. And with all the, the structures that is
going up in the fast world today, I would call that desecration. Hawai‘i Revised Statutes
711-1107, “Desecrate means defacing, damaging, polluting, or otherwise physical \[physically\]
mistreating in a way that the applicant \[defendant\] knows will outrage the sensibility \[sensibilities\]
of the people \[of persons\] and like to \[likely to\] observe or discover the applicant’s \[defendant’s\]
action,” which that’s what we are doing today. The action of the applicant. There are corporate
greed that they come and they build and they do all this kind of stuff to our island, and then they
leave. ‘A‘ole hiki. That no can. Perfect example for KS. The lagoon is gone. There is a heiau
under there. They noticed that later. I call that putting the cart before the horse. All the pūnāwai
underneath there is another issue. The aquifer, once you puncture that thing, you’re going to
desecrate and damage that. That aquifer comes from Mauna a Wakea that feeds the island. We
have a lot of that in many different area, which your so-called archaeologist in science cannot
detect, but we the people have them in our mo‘olelo-s. I suggest this archaeologist read those
mo‘olelo-s because it’s going to give you the facts of all that. It’s going to tell you, and those
mo‘olelo was done in the 1800’s. I cannot see what kind of study you’re doing on the face value.
You need to go deeper than that. You need to go into the historical archives and go read those.
And I know there’s a lot of people translate those. As far as the burial grounds, ‘a‘ole hiki. They
never do a great analysis on it. I mahalo those archaeologists that took pride in their work, but
they need to crawl, dig and look more. They need to really search the whole area. According to
Uncle and everybody’s input, that the burial grounds are very significant to our people. The
people go hand in hand with the land. And they take care of that, as well as the iwi-s that is put
under that. I don’t want this to be another Hokuli‘a. They unearth with the bulldozer. All these
bones, they shove them in a cabinets. To today it’s not buried back in the proper area once you
damage that. The Kuakini Wall, that’s desecration already, defacing a historical site, and the
shipment is documented. You guys need to wake up. Look at all the documents. That is proof to
tell you that there is things there. And that’s why we’re here today. We’re going to defend our
land and our people. And our kupuna who has passed that gave me the DNA to sit here and tell
you about it. We do have it in dreams that some of the scientist world does not believe in to – they
only believe in tangible things. But you need to look deeper into that. And I humbly ask you guys
do your job right. Look at the mo‘olelo, look at the history, look at all that, and ask yourself, are
you doing the right thing? Ask yourself. Thank you. Mahalo for your time.
The public testimony ended at 11:11 a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Noriko Sauer, Secretary
Leeward Planning Commission
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2017-04-17 Public Testimony on SMA 16-063 Contested Case