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VITOUSEK: Is there any records of the agreements with Housing that we can look at?
<br />KERN: I'll let Mr. Julkowski speak to that. I do know there's some ongoing investigations that
<br />I don't really know much about, but, Mr. Julkowski?
<br />D. JULKOWSKI: Everybody who was working with that project with me is now gone, been
<br />released from the County. The, I can't go deep whatever I talked with the FBI, I can't, it's being
<br />worked on at Hawaiian Homes. And—
<br />J. JULKOWSKI: We've talked to the FBI, and there's a [inaudible] we are still not allowed to
<br />talk about everything that happened.
<br />D. JULKOWSKI: We can't name names—
<br />J. JULKOWSKI: We can't - - - anything until after they finalize their ;investigation.
<br />VITOUSEK: Fair enough, but I mean is there; is there anything in writing,from these agencies?
<br />I mean, you know, verbal agreements are one thing, but - - -
<br />D. JULKOWSKI: - - - sat down and I °have papers with a County employee's name on it and
<br />stuff, who helped me do all the affordable housing papers;- and the reason why I did what I did—
<br />so I have to explain why I've done. I wasn't asking for money.,for this project, and so I said I
<br />needed to sell these lots off.., And at that time I was :talking to some, people with medical from
<br />Waimea to maybe put in a cliric,11in there because they didn't _have in. the area, and this would've
<br />been a good area for a.clinic, and so,that's what we were planning to do with that whole group of
<br />deals and with those five�lots. I had -to sell those for help to put in the infrastructure because
<br />once I got my cost, it was;tremendous, it was high. -And so, I figured I'd sell these lots off to
<br />help us with the --cost of putting the -infrastructure in, and making the affordable housing stay
<br />affordable housing,-, instead of making it getting -very -expensive. So, the only thing I have is what
<br />I worked with the County "and stuff, and I have alot. of papers here. If I was there, I would show
<br />you guys, some of the stuff,; but because we're not there, it's very difficult. But I worked with, in
<br />many meetings, with differentpeople with the County that we met and talked at the County
<br />building, when,Ahey were in that older building next to the river there. We had many, many
<br />meetings there. ' I would have t64
<br />y out two-day notice and fly out there and sit down and have
<br />another meeting and,stuff. And 'so I thought everything was good. They told me to finish up the
<br />affordable housing, I said—I .was;supposed to meet with the individual, I flew out there and
<br />nobody showed up, whatever, and then I called him, and he says, "I'm no longer with the
<br />County." And I said, "What? You know you told me to fly out here," and he says, "things
<br />happened." And from that point on—I don't know what happened, I really don't know. We
<br />haven't, we've done everything what we were asked to do, over and above what I wanted to do,
<br />because I said, "Let's insure this thing before I start doing prints." And all this stuff is very, very
<br />costly; if you've done any of this stuff, you understand what I'm talking about. And I was kept
<br />telling do more, do more, do more. And I did it. And to then be put off to the side like I'd done
<br />something wrong—I'm hoping to get this taken care of because we have done nothing wrong.
<br />CARR SMITH: Can you remind me for the record what your name is?
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