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of think about how the development is being planned for the future and put these things together in a way that works for the entire community so that we don't just keep kicking down the road these critical infrastructure concerns. And that, for me, is the constant dilemma when we are entertaining these ideas for developments, is that we do, if we're going to increase the density in this area so that there are more people, then we also have to think about how to serve those families and what the impact of those extra families means on the community infrastructure. So, I, it is this dilemma, and I— DEFRANCO: Right, but we're also looking at the law that is saying that they've said that a septic system is okay. They're saying this to us. They've accepted that idea that the septic system is okay. VITOUSEK: Yes, after, after quite a bit. Initially they said that they must connect to the sewer and then they said that they should do it in the small batch system, and then after a long period of time they agreed to that. So, it was clear to me that the preference was not for individual wastewater systems, but rather— DEFRANCO: Right, as ours isn't either. VITOUSEK: Yep. DEFRANCO: Right? Okay, we're all on the same page there, but we're also talking with the person who's like putting up the money to do it and he's saying to us that that is prohibitive. So, you know, we—okay. PIPAN: If I may. Department of Environmental Management from the start said require connection to the sewer. And we pushed back on that requirement showing the difficulty and the distances involved and having to go through someone's living room and bedroom to get to the property on the shortest 300-foot route. They replied to that with, "okay, if you don't connect to the sewer, Department of Health says you have to connect to a wastewater treatment plant of your own design and construction." That's not true. We went to Department of Health for their first comment on this project, which they hadn't yet submitted, and they said, "No, we don't require wastewater treatment plant. Septic systems are okay." Department of Health is the ultimate authority here. If I could allow a little bit of latitude here,please, Chair. Earlier this year, the UH Economic Resource, UHERO Research Organization, they published a study measuring the housing burden regulation, sorry, it's a mouthful, of land use regulations here in Hawaii. And they showed that applying this Wharton Index, which is a way to measure the extent of land use regulation in an area in their government drives up the price of housing in that area. We've got over two and a half times the national average median house price here in Hawaii. And of the Hawai`i 28 EXHIBIT F