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PIPAN: And, and if— <br /> VITOUSEK: That's what it is. <br /> PIPAN: --if this project can't proceed because it needs sewer, then it has to be a higher <br /> density like the previous attempts. We feel like this is the Goldilocks situation where it's <br /> very low density, farm lots, many, many people in Hawai`i are still on cesspools and <br /> that's atrocious. Septic systems are much, much better at treating wastewater than a <br /> cesspool. And just given the state of affairs with the County's Department of <br /> Environmental Management, the lack of maintenance on the Hilo wastewater treatment <br /> plant, putting our whole-hearted faith in that department may be misfounded [sic]. No <br /> offense, but it is what it is. <br /> VITOUSEK: I will circle back to one thing un-sewer related. There was something that <br /> you brought up regarding conditions R through W. About the environmental <br /> requirements and the restrictions on what can be done during different seasons, which is <br /> something that I am not in favor of including as a condition. I think that, especially on <br /> agricultural property conditions are too restrictive on what can be done for agricultural <br /> purposes. <br /> DEFRANCO: I agree. I'm a farmer too. <br /> VITOUSEK: Let me pull up Condition R, to protect any hoary bats in the vicinity of the <br /> project, barbed wire fencing shall not be used and woody vegetation over 15 feet in <br /> height shall not be removed during bat breeding season, June 1 through September 15. I <br /> think those are too restrictive. The language is too restrictive. It doesn't provide enough <br /> leeway for agricultural practices, and I think that it is unenforceable. So, I would <br /> recommend removing those conditions in favor of language we've used previously about <br /> if endangered species are encountered, then proper land and natural resources would be <br /> notified and— <br /> KANUHA: Department of Forestry and Wildlife. <br /> VITOUSEK: --a mitigation plan would be created with them. <br /> DEFRANCO: Didn't we do that for that other farm up there? <br /> VITOUSEK: We did. We've used that language before. <br /> DEFRANCO: Yeah. <br /> 30 <br /> EXHIBIT F <br />