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Mr. Wiseman: In any event...that's what we have to live with these days. But <br /> the...I noticed that the A.G. office gave you cases. Did the A.G. <br /> Office give you any cases to refer you to cases at all? <br /> Mr. Roth: A.G.'s did not. Joe Kamelamela did. And like I said, I have his... <br /> Mr. Wiseman: You can submit whatever you have to us. <br /> Mr. Roth: I'll submit that to you...cause I think...I think he did a really good <br /> job of you know doing his legal research there. And I think his <br /> assessment...his conclusion is a conclusion that you should come <br /> out to...that there is no conflict...there is the appearance of <br /> impropriety is so far removed...so distant that...that what you <br /> should find... <br /> Mr. Wiseman: Thank you. <br /> Mr. Roth: But I do believe in fairness...you should have a chance to read <br /> those and if you haven't seen this law review article...whole thing <br /> is kind of long...the first I think...first five pages and its... <br /> Mr. Wiseman: Remember lawyers used to get paid for by the word in England. <br /> Mr. Roth: The good thing is...most of this...the way it's written it's mostly <br /> notes at the bottom...but so it's very short couple of pages. <br /> Mr. Wiseman: Talk about long. Most decisions coming from Supreme Court and <br /> other courts...70 to 150 pages. A most significant case...Brown v. <br /> Board of Education on the segregation issue back in 1954. It was <br /> 14 pages so. In any event, thank you Mr. Roth. <br /> Mr. Roth: Thank you very much. <br /> Ms. Sumner-Mack: Well I want to thank you for the chance to meet you...meet you <br /> face to face. I applaud your coming here because I think this is a <br /> particularly good time to have a discussion about this. And I <br /> understand...I mean the tensions in this community are so great. I <br /> mean I feel somewhat intimidated by the flags and so on because <br /> I'm not...you know...I just don't look Hawaiian so. My <br /> sympathies are...its very confusing...its very confusing for a lot of <br /> people. I do think that the fate of workers at the telescopes is not <br /> just a matter perhaps of media attention. I mean I happen to know <br /> somebody who's been out of work now for...what two or three <br /> months...not getting any salary because the road is blocked. And <br /> this person is very much in sympathy with the cause but never the <br /> less...he's not had any income and he's hurting so... Some of this <br /> 21 <br />