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violated. There's not a conflict, it's just...just to void that <br /> appearance. The other interesting thing that was in there. Cause <br /> people have been...they take what they want to take. If you take a <br /> look at the State Ethics conflict of interest. I think I put that in <br /> their thing. That's a little closer question. Cause I think they just <br /> have to work someplace. Again. Because we're not prosecuting <br /> anybody who's working for TMT...we're not...TMT is not a <br /> victim. I don't think there's any real conflict of interest. <br /> Mr. Robinson: Okay. You talked about 2-84, which is a conflict of interest. I <br /> referenced that and I noticed that it says in here...3 and 4 five <br /> times. Financial interest, financial interest, financial interest...and <br /> yet you've disclosed that your son... <br /> Mr. Roth: Works for Caltech. <br /> Mr. Robinson: Works for Caltech which is... <br /> Mr. Roth: NASA Caltech okay. <br /> Mr. Robinson: Right but he's not directly impacted...financially. <br /> Mr. Roth: I think if you look at 2-84 and Mr. Kamelamela does a great job in <br /> which you have...he bolds that...substantial financial interest. <br /> Mr. Robinson: Yeah I didn't put the substantial...I just said...you have a <br /> substantial. <br /> Mr. Roth: So. When they first called me and asked me that...they <br /> says...well...cause would that mean that if someone stole from <br /> KTA or Safeway...that you know I'd have a conflict because my <br /> family shops at KTA and Safeway. And you know when you <br /> steal...you raise the prices. Or if we're giving a ticket to <br /> somebody who's driving a car, you know speeding on the roads <br /> that my family...we give speeding tickets because we want to keep <br /> people safe on the roads. And people who are speeding are <br /> technically putting my family in jeopardy. So...I mean...we all <br /> have some kind of financial interest with what happens on <br /> that...on the mountain. As remote as it may seem...it may be cost <br /> of goods that come in...lack of jobs...the amount of jobs...I think <br /> their employment is so far removed that there is no real financial <br /> interest in TMT. <br /> Mr. Robinson: Right. And I noticed in the course of your presentation you <br /> referenced that numerous times. And then, one last question from <br /> me. If this Board found that there was no conflict and you went <br /> 28 <br />